Cleric Leveling/Gear Guide

[Torrinn]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is incorrect? Halflings get both sneak and hide, both of which individually and in conjunction allow access and movement to places other races cannot access.

Any class that has both sneak and hide can use them at the same time. You just can't move and keep both active; the hide will break once you move, unless you are a rogue.

This however is going to be diminished after the next patch since it will turn hide into regular invis status, but sneak will still be excellent for accessing quests and vendors otherwise not accessible.

You are wrong. i just confirmed it for myself by rolling up a halfling cleric, changing the camera angle so I could see myself, I clicked hide and saw myself disappear, clicked sneak, then as soon as I moved I became visible again with the message that I have stopped hiding. ONLY rogues can use sneak/hide at the same time. It's always been that way

And the next patch to what? Live? This is 1999 we're talking about, not live, so that patch should never be applied here since that's not how it worked in 1999.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Torrinn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are wrong. i just confirmed it for myself by rolling up a halfling cleric, changing the camera angle so I could see myself, I clicked hide and saw myself disappear, clicked sneak, then as soon as I moved I became visible again with the message that I have stopped hiding. ONLY rogues can use sneak/hide at the same time. It's always been that way

Did you bother reading what I typed or did you get all giddy thinking of what you were going to post and skip it?

I haven't said that you can use them at the same time the same way a rogue does. My second posts even says as such since you didn't full comprehend what I said the first time.

You just can't move and keep both active; the hide will break once you move, unless you are a rogue.

[Torrinn]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you bother reading what I typed or did you get all giddy thinking of what you were going to post and skip it?

I haven't said that you can use them at the same time the same way a rogue does. My second posts even says as such since you didn't full comprehend what I said the first time.

You said in your original post that it allows to access places that other races have difficulty accessing. That implies using it to move past mobs that would kill you otherwise if they could see you. In that regard, you CANNOT use sneak/hide together to get past mobs.

You are the one who obviously did not comprehend MY original post or you would not have felt compelled to reply at all.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Torrinn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You said in your original post that it allows to access places that other races have difficulty accessing. That implies using it to move past mobs that would kill you otherwise if they could see you. In that regard, you CANNOT use sneak/hide together to get past mobs.

It doesn't imply that and I never said you could use them at the same time while moving like a rogue does. As currently implemented, you can use both hide and sneak to move around roamers and get through areas that are otherwise inaccessible to other races (since hide currently acts as super invis and regular mobs can't see through it). As a Halfling cleric with hide and sneak you can explore VP unmolested with proper application of sneak and hide (except around the dragons, they see through hide) and if you take your time to wait for roamers. This is also applicable in other places.

You are the one who obviously did not comprehend MY original post or you would not have felt compelled to reply at all.

I comprehended your post just fine. You made a blanket statement that is incomplete and incorrect to a point.

Originally Posted by Torrinn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, but I found this thread in a Google search and had to correct it. This is incorrect. While all Halflings get the skills, the only class that can use sneak AND hide at the same time is rogue.

You called out my post as incorrect, when it is not. You inferred that I was suggesting using both sneak and hide at the same time to achieve the same ability as rogues. This was not implied nor explicitly stated in my original post. You then make the incorrect statement "While all Halflings get the skills, the only class that can use sneak AND hide at the same time is rogue." You can activate both at the same time as a Halfling, you just can't move while keeping hide active as a non-rogue class. This allows a non-rogue to invis (currently super-invis) themselves while a mob is facing them, and to sneak behind when the mob is facing away. The application of hide or breaking of hide does not affect a properly applied sneak, so the use of both is important in some situations. But like I said above, most of this is going to be scaled way back in usefulness after the next patch.

Originally Posted by Torrinn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the heck is "itu"? Invis to undead? How did Hide become invis to undead on 1999 in the first place? It was never that before.

Yes, ITU is Invis to undead. As for your second question that is something you should ask the devs.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Torrinn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the next patch to what? Live? This is 1999 we're talking about, not live, so that patch should never be applied here since that's not how it worked in 1999.

Really? The next patch to Project 1999...

Hide currently works as super invis/itu at the same time. This is not proper. It (racial hide) is being turned into regular invis. There will be rogue blood.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=99935

Originally Posted by kanras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pending update:
- Rogue hide will function the same as invis + IVU stacked.
- Non-rogue (racial hide) will function the same as invis.
- Mobs that see through invis/IVU will similarly see through hide.

[Torrinn]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? The next patch to Project 1999...

Hide currently works as super invis/itu at the same time. This is not proper. It (racial hide) is being turned into regular invis. There will be rogue blood.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=99935

What the heck is "itu"? Invis to undead? How did Hide become invis to undead on 1999 in the first place? It was never that before.