A regular and casual raiding day on P99.

[Ele]

The original Ambrotos thread, July 8, 2012, outlawing pulling Inny/Maestro out of their rooms and Draco/CT from their spawn/roaming areas was located here:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=668665

It appears to have been deleted/locked/moved since then.

[falkun]

Enslaved, the post was removed because its no longer applicable. When nothing has been defined for it, you are to revert to posted server rules. Since server rules allow pulling raid mobs to alternate locations, Inny is allowed to be pulled to zone-in (as long as the puller does not kite nor train which are other possible infractions).

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but Ambrotos is the server GM. Please show where a developer or Server GM says it is ok to pull CT or Innorruk to the zone-in. Because here is where Ambrotos, the SERVER GM, says it's not ok:

***Hilariously, the entire post has been removed, with nothing to redefine or replace it. http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...postcount=1***

What the FUCK is happening on P99?!

You do know that Ambrotos stepped down as Server GM back in October right?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=86302

Sirken is the current Server GM.
Ambrotos is a Senior Guide now.

http://www.project1999.org/index.php?pageid=about

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where in there does it say that Ambrotos was demoted or that Sirken was promoted?

http://www.project1999.org/index.php?pageid=about

See ninja edit link. ^

[rafaone]

Well, in the end, 50 minutes wasted of my life and a sour tasted, as Hallyguk stated before, only because they wanted to get FTE.

/clap

[falkun]

Sirken Lead GM & Ambrotos demotion:
http://www.project1999.org/index.php?pageid=about

Server rules, as best as possible, are kept up-to-date in the Library forum:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Bah, Ele beat me to the "About" section.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would be totally ok as long as it wasn't just completely conviniented-in at an opportune time. Where is the log for the rule change, where it became non-applicable? Because otherwise all we have is a stealth rules "fix" that benefits certain groups due to its apparent inaccessibility.

I will comment that GMs are fairly understanding of new groups joining the raid scene. If you wish to commit fully to the douchebaggery of the raid scene, just start doing it. Pull bosses, kill them. You'll break a few rules, you might get a short suspension (1-2 weeks is nothing in the grand scheme), you'll learn the rules quickly. Your chances of getting banned for attempting a raid boss are very small. You will learn more about the raid scene and yourself attempting to exist in it than you ever could reading what is and is not allowed within it.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is merely a plaque, explaining who is in what position, sneakily updated at any time. Says nothing about the rescinding of Ambrotos's EXTREMELY WELL-KNOWN rule, so much so that Ele attempted to quote it.

Why don't you shoot Sirken a PM, it should be much easier and satisfying to get the answers you seek straight from him.

[sulious]

IMO- take away inny loot and award Europa loot. Grats Europa, problem solved. I am sure TMO and FE are ok with this decision... Glad I could help. *bow

[Sirken]

hi everyone!

first of all, Ambrotos was never "demoted", "punished", or anything along those lines. not sure where that all came from.

14 months ago Amelinda was the CSR GM of both servers, Ambrotos and I were both guides. Ambrotos spent more time on Blue, and i spent more time on Red, only assisting with Blue when Amelinda wanted a non bias opinion on a situation.

Shortly before Amelinda was removed from staff Ambrotos made a rule adjustment on blue, saying mobs could not be pulled, and had to be engaged roughly where they spawned.

After Amelinda was removed, i was asked to replace Amelinda and be the CSR GM for both servers (blue and red), and i accepted. Literally the first thing i did as GM was undo the rule that Ambrotos made. dont get me wrong, i love Ambrotos, but his rule imo, required staff members to police every single raid target, created lots "OMG HE CHEATED" drama, and limited creative kill strategies.

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as far as different rules for different bosses or different raids, that was a problem all on its own. it started because i didnt like 100 afk people sitting on trak spawn spot, and a random number generator giving FTE to an AFK player. it was stupid, and it killed any and all competition/racing for the mobs it was happening on.

HOWEVER, it was my mistake to think players would be able to have faith in me to make the right call. and for the last 4ish months most raid guilds (FE/TMO and 1-2 others) have been made aware of that fact that raid mobs will be awarded to whoever has First To Engage. FTE goes to the player at the top of the FTE list, regardless of outside conditions. so all human judgement has been removed from the situation. and if a guild trains another guild at a raid, and it can be verified via a staff witness, or fraps that actually proves the claim, then the trainer will be suspended and the training guild will not be allowed to contest that mob next time it spawns. if they do not adhere to that punishment, or if that punishment is not effective, then the guild as a whole should expect a raid suspension.