Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[Nirgon]

The server I do not give a shit about. Classic EQ, I do.

Nilbog, Kanras, Aeolwind, Ambrotos, Sirken are stand up guys. Rogean OK too but he's gotta be burned out by being involved with the mayhem at this point. I imagine he still enjoys some good EQ server drama/espionage like many of us at times. Maybe he will fill his own + Uthgaard's old dev shoes and get crackin' on Velious.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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He needs to use his magic knowledge of eq to find some info on how bow pulling worked though.

My magic knowledge of EQ is running out of uses as Nilbog/Kanras continue to patch things. I'm very pleased by their progress.

I can't wait till they're ready to address resists / dispel mechanics. We had that banged out in a day on EQC, verified by non-pixel-lusting lovers of classic EQ.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Shinko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Insert Shinko's erroneous post on page 11 of this thread here.

I had 95% RA with BDA, hardly a reject. You're the idiot who schmoozed your way into daddy Chest's lap so that you could swarm BDA with your filth (VD), then took off to lead a retarded guild (FE).

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not slinging anything at your guild. I have no hard feelings towards TMO. I even said they were in their right by the rules to train in VP.

Confirmed troll.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had 95% RA with BDA, hardly a reject.

Weekly planes clears isn't raiding.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alright you've sucked me into one more post [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Damn forumquest!

What's funny is I made a post describing precisely how the whole 'you don't want to compete' type thinking is dumb, and then a bunch of people responded with precisely that.



We have 11 guilds on the Sky Rotation; at two tokens each thats 22 raid mobs a week vs 19 currently (17 if you don't count Maestro and Dracoliche) which equates to a 15% increase in raid mobs. It's not like the server would be flooded with bone-clasped girdles. And the number of tokens per guild could always be adjusted down if a lot of the guilds broke up into smaller ones to get more tokens as I expect would happen. Again, my point is that a token system is just as competitive, just not as retarded.



This is precisely the kind of straw man that I am raging about in the original post. Organization and mobilization are about 10% of what it takes to get raid mobs on P1999, with "dedication" being another one of those idiotic code words for 'I sat at my computer hitting track for 40 hours this week'



See if I was a member of Forceful Entry and got up to kill some random pixels at 5AM, I would be pretty unhappy even if we actually got said pixels. Of course I would be really unhappy if I was Sericx. But again, I'm not anti-TMO and never have been. TMO is simply a guild that is designed to beat the current system. Their point that that other guilds can be designed to beat this system is reasonable.

Again, the current raid system is not unfair, just stupid. And with that I'm out for good!

P.S. Sericx, if I were you I'd stop arguing with Kenzar.

Is this the same Sakuragi who was allowed to tag along with TMO-led VP raids to get "grats rot loot?" If so, are we to believe that all this time, while you were collecting rot loot with TMO, you believed that a more equitable, "token system" would be a more egalitarian means of acquiring loot? What exactly does that make you?

No, I don't read your entire post.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if you had to choose between variance and all the mobs on the server popping at once, which would you choose?

I think the second choice would get my adrenaline pumping and be more fun, but that's just me.

It would suck for the next 3 days. I prefer having to raid every day, than once every 3 days for a full repop. Yes, it's exciting for those 6-8 hours (depending on whether or not FE is training TMO in VP), but after that...it's alt time.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this the same Sakuragi who was allowed to tag along with TMO-led VP raids to get "grats rot loot?" If so, are we to believe that all this time, while you were collecting rot loot with TMO, you believed that a more equitable, "token system" would be a more egalitarian means of acquiring loot? What exactly does that make you?

No, I don't read your entire post.

How is it hypocritical to acknowledge and operate within the reality of the situation while simultaneously believing that it can be improved?

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this the same Sakuragi who was allowed to tag along with TMO-led VP raids to get "grats rot loot?" If so, are we to believe that all this time, while you were collecting rot loot with TMO, you believed that a more equitable, "token system" would be a more egalitarian means of acquiring loot? What exactly does that make you?

No, I don't read your entire post.

This is the same Sakuragi. Just because he can afford to buy VP rots from TMO doesn't mean he is not interested in a situation that reforms raid rules on the server. Buying gear from TMO and desiring for more people to be able to compete on the server with different rules are not mutually exclusive. In fact, liking or hating/working with or working against TMO and desiring no trains or desiring trains are all possible views/actions that are not mutually exclusive.

Why wouldn't Loraen buy VP rots if he can afford them? The A-Team probably wouldn't even have enough people to do VP even uncontested.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is it hypocritical to acknowledge and operate within the reality of the situation while simultaneously believing that it can be improved?

Well said.