team or pure red?

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not gonna have the pop for teams

Really? Then how is teams any different than the 2 or 3 major guilds on the server all competing?

Might as well have 2 or 3 teams. It helps the new players find groups and find a sense of comradery.

Doesn't have to be Good vs Evil. can even out the races where all sides get all classes.

[georgie]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? Then how is teams any different than the 2 or 3 major guilds on the server all competing?

Might as well have 2 or 3 teams. It helps the new players find groups and find a sense of comradery.

Doesn't have to be Good vs Evil. can even out the races where all sides get all classes.

i get where you are coming from, i from one am new to boxes and will be looking for sailors to join my ship. or the other way around (;

[JayDee]

437 teams

[solid]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? Then how is teams any different than the 2 or 3 major guilds on the server all competing?

Might as well have 2 or 3 teams. It helps the new players find groups and find a sense of comradery.

Doesn't have to be Good vs Evil. can even out the races where all sides get all classes.

If 2 or 3 guilds competing on a FFA server is analogous to hardcoded teams, as you say, then why would you bother hardcoding teams at all? Sounds like not hardcoding teams is a win/win for both your cause and mine.

Also, the comradery argument is a non sequitor, as far as I'm concerned. To believe this, especially enough to build the server around, you'd have to conveniently ignore all the x-teaming done throughout EQ team pvp history.

Lastly, any potential gains from hardcoded comradery (and they're dismal, if at all) are far outweighed by the costs of being forced to ally with people you'd rather not be, and reducing any action you might have w/ them to sameteam-training. (Which was about the only thing illegal on Sullon, outside of hacking)

[JayDee]

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like using big words to assert my intelligence but in actuality it detracts from my arguments

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To believe this, especially enough to build the server around, you'd have to conveniently ignore all the x-teaming done throughout EQ team pvp history.

Really? All the x-teaming done throughout EQ team PvP history? Name specifics. I spent most of my EQ career on SZ and the only 'x-teaming' done was when a goodie bought an evil bard and trained Fear. That wouldn't fly on red99 as training is going to be illegal.

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lastly, any potential gains from hardcoded comradery (and they're dismal, if at all) are far outweighed by the costs of being forced to ally with people you'd rather not be, and reducing any action you might have w/ them to same team-training. (Which was about the only thing illegal on Sullon, outside of hacking)

If you don't people, then re-roll. Everyone is going to have someone in their guild they would rather not be around, but put up with it because they have other friends they like.

There is a reason why the amount of FFA PvP games coming out are non-existent: It suck.

I will play either way. I just feel that the server population would benefit more from teams.

[solid]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? All the x-teaming done throughout EQ team PvP history? Name specifics. I spent most of my EQ career on SZ and the only 'x-teaming' done was when a goodie bought an evil bard and trained Fear. That wouldn't fly on red99 as training is going to be illegal.



If you don't people, then re-roll. Everyone is going to have someone in their guild they would rather not be around, but put up with it because they have other friends they like.

There is a reason why the amount of FFA PvP games coming out are non-existent: It suck.

I will play either way. I just feel that the server population would benefit more from teams.

Lol @ no x-teaming on SZ. We x-teamed constantly in Hate if it served our interests, and so did everyone else. You must have pretty out of the loop, because it was pretty rampant, and we were always pretty unapologetic about it.


Next, I have no idea what you're basing your 'teams = more population' argument around, but you're ignoring the only population check that could possibly serve as a test, which is when all 4 Zek servers were up and running at once.

Population: RZ (no hardcoded teams) > VZ/TZ (softcoded teams) > SZ (hardcoded teams)

If you're going to claim 'teams= more population' the burden of proof is on you to prove it, because any data that we have indicates otherwise.


And finally, I'm not going to even dignify the 'if you don't like the people you're hardcoded to be on a team with, then just reroll' argument with a response.

[Titanuk]

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not gonna have the pop for teams

[georgie]

c'mon noob....

[Foxx]

i dont wanna be on a team with a bunch of douchebags and faggots that i hate, and not be able to kill them and be forced to train them over and over just so i can get rid of them.