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Old 02-28-2017, 01:35 PM
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...stop hating the free market.
This is actually a great quote aimed at anyone who despises DaP for simply working within the confines of p99's economic/social system.
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:44 PM
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You are entitled to your opinion, and rest assured you will never be placed on a "no-fly list" for expressing your opinion!
I dont mind you plugging for the guild, but don't say that.
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:46 PM
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A completely free market would see all workers being paid the same as they are in China.
You also probably believe minimum wage is for the workers, and that license fees are a good idea.
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:57 PM
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A completely free market would see all workers being paid the same as they are in China.
It would result in them being paid the worth of what they do. Worth is determined by how much people value the service and how scarce it is. If the service is not valuable, or if there are too many people providing the service, they won't get paid much. If it is, they will. If they don't get paid much, then workers will find something else to do that pays more, thus bringing down the number of people providing the service until its worth doing. It's a beautiful, natural, self-balancing thing.

Apart from silly crap like this game, in the real world, a free market is going to do better than any form of controlled market, period, as long as the entire system has free choice., including the workers. However, most workers are trying to live and they can't just all up and quit and go anywhere with a new skill set. This is where regulations and unions are valuable and necessary. We would have had a terribly damaging revolution in the 1930's without the rise of unions.

In another example, medical care is not suitable for a completely free market, because the choice of live or die is not a completely free choice.

However, while necessary in some situations, regulations and unions, and especially subsidies and government control via tax policies easily do more harm than good, and they must be kept to a minimum. There is a terrible attraction that politicians and voters have for having the government 'fix the problems', with the result that what usually happens over time damages the workers more than anything else.

So - TLDR;
Free markets are good. Some regulations and unions are necessary. 'Socialized' medicine is good as long as some elements of free competition are in place. Government meddling is terribly bad. Plus I like DaP.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:11 PM
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sorry i didn't mean to bash DaP

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Old 02-28-2017, 02:19 PM
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It would result in them being paid the worth of what they do. Worth is determined by how much people value the service and how scarce it is. If the service is not valuable, or if there are too many people providing the service, they won't get paid much. If it is, they will. If they don't get paid much, then workers will find something else to do that pays more, thus bringing down the number of people providing the service until its worth doing. It's a beautiful, natural, self-balancing thing.

Apart from silly crap like this game, in the real world, a free market is going to do better than any form of controlled market, period, as long as the entire system has free choice., including the workers. However, most workers are trying to live and they can't just all up and quit and go anywhere with a new skill set. This is where regulations and unions are valuable and necessary. We would have had a terribly damaging revolution in the 1930's without the rise of unions.

In another example, medical care is not suitable for a completely free market, because the choice of live or die is not a completely free choice.

However, while necessary in some situations, regulations and unions, and especially subsidies and government control via tax policies easily do more harm than good, and they must be kept to a minimum. There is a terrible attraction that politicians and voters have for having the government 'fix the problems', with the result that what usually happens over time damages the workers more than anything else.

So - TLDR;
Free markets are good. Some regulations and unions are necessary. 'Socialized' medicine is good as long as some elements of free competition are in place. Government meddling is terribly bad. Plus I like DaP.
Never expected a post like this here. Get ready for a shit-storm once all the know-nothing ideologues read this.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:24 PM
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I dont mind you plugging for the guild, but don't say that.
Wait a second...

So there is actually a "no-fly list" for people who do nothing more than express their opinions? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:35 PM
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Wait a second...

So there is actually a "no-fly list" for people who do nothing more than express their opinions? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Thread plot twist!
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:44 PM
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Thread plot twist!
Seriously, either Afeni misunderstood the statement, or this is a new development in the guild! That, or the list is highly classified and only shared amongst the higher ranking DaP leadership.

As a member of DaP in the past, I never heard or seen an actual list.

Sure, DaP druids and wizards shared "shop talk" about some of their more interesting encounters with some of the more colorfully vocal or rude portees, but never did I hear any proclamation leveled upon any player that they were to never be ported by DaP!

Roscoe is the only DaP I can recall who ever said HE would not port a particular person or persons (bards), but that was his personal choice and had nothing to do with DaP.

In fact, DaP came down so hard on Roscoe that he left the guild over this personal business decision he had made. He did not like them telling him who to port, and they did not like him saying bards should not be ported! DaP leadership stood up for bards across Norrath that day...

Anyway, can you clarify this Afeni?

Can people be placed upon an actual "no-fly list" due to them expressing their personal opinions in a critical manner towards DaP?
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Old 02-28-2017, 03:09 PM
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There is no guild wide No Fly List. All lists are personal and not talked about.
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