Hybrid XP penalties

[Vondra]

Originally Posted by lecompte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Couple of Notes:
1) 70% of the fun in EQ happens GETTING to level 60 so if you have a group that is a lot of fun, who cares about the penalty?
2) I wear plate.
3) Racial penalties are not shared.
4) Rangers can old agro, and if you have enough slow/dps, it don't matter if you tank worse than a chanter w/o rune 5. (group last night with two backstabbing chanter pets can attest to this)


As a ranger, who has brought the 40% penalty to every group I've been in, I've enjoyed leveling. That exhaltation you get from completing a level? Imagine a level that is 40% harder and thus, 40% more exciting when you finally do it and that is just by the numbers -- disregarding the fact that it is 40% more challenging to get a group.

All the exp penalties are shared, both class and racial, because the penalty is inherent to the total onhand exp the player has.

The penalty itself is just how much exp it takes you to level. The "penalty" isn't what's actually figured in the group, it's the total exp the person has. A freshly dinged lev 50 ranger has 140% of the exp of a freshly dinged lev 50 human cleric. That's what the calculation is looking at when determining how much exp each person gets. Not what level they are, not what race/class they are, but how much total exp they have.

If one person has 140000 exp and the other person has 100000 exp, then they group together, the person with 140000 exp is going to get about 58% of the exp the mob has to give (140000 + 100000 = 240000, 140000/240000 = ~.583). Then the remaining ~42% to the other guy. Whether that happened because the 140000 xp guy is a few levels higher, or is a bard, ranger etc, or any combination of things resulting in one person having more total exp on hand...the game doesn't look at.

If it was a troll SK, then we'd be looking at the same deal. The troll part would still be "shared", since it contributed to them having a longer exp bar. In the troll SK case, the freshly dinged lev 50 troll sk has 168% of the exp onhand that the freshly dinged 50 human cleric does. Calculation changes accordingly, concept remains the same.

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by Vondra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was a troll SK, then we'd be looking at the same deal. The troll part would still be "shared", since it contributed to them having a longer exp bar. In the troll SK case, the freshly dinged lev 50 troll sk has 168% of the exp onhand that the freshly dinged 50 human cleric does. Calculation changes accordingly, concept remains the same.

You added substantially to your post after I replied so I'm going to address this part here.

I think the racial part of the penalty plays in to the XP bar (the troll warrior has 20% (http://wiki.project1999.org/Game_Mec...ence_Penalties) more exp in his bar than the human warrior, and thus it isn't shared with group) while the xp BONUS is shared with group, because that is applied to the xp before it is distributed to the group/player. Likewise, the troll sks personal penalty will be perceived as follows: If there is a total of 70% exp penalty in the group, (SK, Monk, Chanter) then the xp from each mob will be slashed by 70 percent before it is applied to each party member, then the racial experience bonus/penalty will be applied.

[lecompte]

Okay Vondra, I think we are in for agree to disagree time now. I'm pretty sure my analogy is flawed in some way, and I know yours is so we should let it lie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].


EDIT:
Pleas note that my guild leaders say racial penalties aren't shared so to have any other stance is certain death and I will stand by it to end!

[Vondra]

Originally Posted by lecompte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You added substantially to your post after I replied so I'm going to address this part here.

I think the racial part of the penalty plays in to the XP bar (the troll warrior has 20% (http://wiki.project1999.org/Game_Mec...ence_Penalties) more exp in his bar than the human warrior, and thus it isn't shared with group) while the xp BONUS is shared with group, because that is applied to the xp before it is distributed to the group/player. Likewise, the troll sks personal penalty will be perceived as follows: If there is a total of 70% exp penalty in the group, (SK, Monk, Chanter) then the xp from each mob will be slashed by 70 percent before it is applied to each party member, then the racial experience bonus/penalty will be applied.

The troll warrior having 20% more exp in his bar affects the group since having 20% more exp means he will take a larger portion of the groups exp because of it, since the total exp onhand is all that is consulted.

The exp calculation doesn't take into account any of the penalties. You're making the mistake of adding up 40, 20, and 10 from sk monk chanter, the exp calculation when handing out exp never takes those things into consideration. It doesn't make any calculation regarding a 70% total penalty, or any penalty at all.

It just looks at the total exp onhand of each character and hands out exp in accordance with it.


It sees the sk with 140000 exp, the human monk with 120000 exp, and the chanter with 110000 exp.

140000 + 120000 + 110000 = 370000

It gives the SK 140000/370000 = ~.378 or 37.8% of the exp.

The monk gets 120000/370000 = ~.324 or 32.4% of the exp.

Then the chanter gets the rest.

If the human monk was instead say...an iksar shaman (which has a 20% racial penalty, but no class penalty) the result would be the same as a human monk. They'd have 20% more exp on hand than the human cleric of same level. Same calculation, 120000 exp total for them, same 32.4% of the exp for them in this group if they replaced the human monk.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Vondra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

140000 + 120000 + 110000 = 370000

It gives the SK 140000/370000 = ~.378 or 37.8% of the exp.

The monk gets 120000/370000 = ~.324 or 32.4% of the exp.

Then the chanter gets the rest.

Ah that makes a ton of sense. Didn't understand that your exp cut was essentially derived from your perceived level based on total exp.

Remind me never to group with a Troll SK that is also higher level than me =P