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Tasslehofp99 · #1 09-25-2012, 08:19 PM

Look very closely at the replay, golden tate's left arm comes in underneath the packer's defenders arms, between the ball and the defender's chest. Technically this would be considered simultaneous posession; tate had his hands around the ball in such a manner that if the defender didn't also have his hands on it..tate would've come down with the catch anyway. People/the sports media just love to QQ whenever something like this happens to the packers/patriots, or america's sweetheart teams. Seriously this SAME exact thing happened to the jets last year cromartie caught a pick but the receiver came down with his hands on the ball as well...same ruling, offensive player got the catch.

MooseTX82 · #2 09-26-2012, 02:00 AM

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Look very closely at the replay, golden tate's left arm comes in underneath the packer's defenders arms, between the ball and the defender's chest. Technically this would be considered simultaneous posession; tate had his hands around the ball in such a manner that if the defender didn't also have his hands on it..tate would've come down with the catch anyway. People/the sports media just love to QQ whenever something like this happens to the packers/patriots, or america's sweetheart teams. Seriously this SAME exact thing happened to the jets last year cromartie caught a pick but the receiver came down with his hands on the ball as well...same ruling, offensive player got the catch.

Couldn't be more wrong. It's not possession if you have 1 hand on it as its secure to the defenders chest who's feet are on the ground completing a "football" move.
No TD. INT. blown call. 100%

Ferok · #3 09-26-2012, 09:57 AM

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Couldn't be more wrong. It's not possession if you have 1 hand on it as its secure to the defenders chest who's feet are on the ground completing a "football" move.
No TD. INT. blown call. 100%

The 'catch' isn't complete until the player goes to the ground in this case. Both had two hands on it when they went to the ground, so I think dual possession applies.

MooseTX82 · #4 09-26-2012, 10:20 AM

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The 'catch' isn't complete until the player goes to the ground in this case. Both had two hands on it when they went to the ground, so I think dual possession applies.

Look at it again. Jennings has 2 hands on the ball clutched against his chest with 2 feet on the ground. Tate has 1 hand on the ball against Jennings chest. You tell me who qualifies as having possession FIRST, which is what matters.

Thana8088 · #5 09-26-2012, 10:25 AM

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Look at it again. Jennings has 2 hands on the ball clutched against his chest with 2 feet on the ground. Tate has 1 hand on the ball against Jennings chest. You tell me who qualifies as having possession FIRST, which is what matters.

What horrible refs; I mean that really sounds like traveling.

Orruar · #6 09-26-2012, 11:16 AM

Jennings caught the ball, Tate caught Jennings. Therefore Tate caught the ball by the rule of composition.

Ferok · #7 09-26-2012, 11:38 AM

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Look at it again. Jennings has 2 hands on the ball clutched against his chest with 2 feet on the ground. Tate has 1 hand on the ball against Jennings chest. You tell me who qualifies as having possession FIRST, which is what matters.

I don't see that at all. Looks to me like they're both fighting for possession all the way to the ground. Jennings doesn't get both feet down until Tate has touched the ball 2 or 3 times with his right hand (his left hand obscured beneath the ball from most angles).

There's nothing I see in the replay that would overturn it either way, I think whichever call was on the field would have stood under further review.

Tasslehofp99 · #8 09-26-2012, 06:17 PM

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Look at it again. Jennings has 2 hands on the ball clutched against his chest with 2 feet on the ground. Tate has 1 hand on the ball against Jennings chest. You tell me who qualifies as having possession FIRST, which is what matters.

Wrong, Tate touched the ball almost simultaneously with his left hand as jennings made the interception. Now, you can see the ball IS NOT touching jennings' chest yet, but tate has his left hand inside between his chest and the ball, and his right hand closing over the outside of the ball. At this point they both have posession, and the catch by both has to be maintained through them falling to the ground...which happened. Its not as complicated as everyone is making it, it WAS simultaneous posession...and the rule states that the offensive players wins posession in that case. Why is this still up for discussion world wide? lol does anyone else watch football unless the packers or patriots are playing? I've seen this hundreds of times before as I'm sure any other football fan has, plays out the same way everytime.

Anger · #9 09-26-2012, 07:13 PM

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Wrong, Tate touched the ball almost simultaneously with his left hand as jennings made the interception. Now, you can see the ball IS NOT touching jennings' chest yet, but tate has his left hand inside between his chest and the ball, and his right hand closing over the outside of the ball. At this point they both have posession, and the catch by both has to be maintained through them falling to the ground...which happened. Its not as complicated as everyone is making it, it WAS simultaneous posession...and the rule states that the offensive players wins posession in that case. Why is this still up for discussion world wide? lol does anyone else watch football unless the packers or patriots are playing? I've seen this hundreds of times before as I'm sure any other football fan has, plays out the same way everytime.

Offensive pass interference should have negated the entire play in the first place.

Ferok · #10 09-26-2012, 10:21 PM

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Offensive pass interference should have negated the entire play in the first place.

With the benefit of video replay and multiple angles the pass interference is pretty clear. Given the scrum of 5 players jumping for the ball, and the speed of the game, it'd be horrible to call it there. The official would essentially be guessing, and there's about 6 other things he's gotta be looking at.