VP

Kassel · #1 12-15-2011, 01:35 PM

Fauss I am pretty sure that Yendor was referring to my dear pal Slippery's threat to rott our characters (which makes me sad as i thought we were bros) and has nothing to do with poopsocking. Back in the day VD did not poopsock and this was mostly due to the fact that our play group did not want to play the game that way. Things change, people change & people come and go. I can not recall one time that anyone in VD said they where "better" than other guild for not poop socking. If they did say this and I missed it, they where wrong. It seems people in this thread are mad at other guilds that a rotation has been put in place, perhaps you should be talking to your leadership if you disapprove.

Slipp I wish i could buy you a beer and ask you why you are so damn mad (no meme's i swear)

It is a game bro's never forget.

(not mad)

Paumad · #2 12-15-2011, 01:46 PM

I won't comment on the rotation Nester, there's sikrit new forums and stuff for it now. I'm just trolling here.
I like playing my main as much as any of you. It does tickle me when people come out with excuses for what they do when everyone's actually doing the exact same.
Why don't I get a beer offering...what's this troll favoritism.

Autotune · #3 12-15-2011, 01:48 PM

i, for one, welcome any IB tagged VD alts to train us in VP. Help keep us on our toes for when this agreement comes to an (early?)end.

I mean, lets be real. TR/IB/VD is one raiding guild, there is no denying this. You track targets for each other, you raid together, you share loot together, you are one (raiding)guild. The fact that VD was put in on the trak rotation as an individual guild and not included with IB's rotation is simply a bonus for IB to help keep TMO from keying it's own members. Congrats Bonus blockage for IB. Don't get me wrong tho, I'd love to see VD doing it's thing and calling itself it's own guild, but currently, that is just not how it is.

The agreement has loop holes and seeing how TR/IB didn't adhere to the last one and went for the holes, I expect this new agreement to be treated the same.

I have absolutely no faith in TIRDBV's integrity, bunch of sneaky snakes. So, here's to the future and whatever mayhem it brings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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YendorLootmonkey · #4 12-15-2011, 02:03 PM

There's nothing wrong with two independent guilds raiding together peacefully. Nothing was stopping DA and TMO from doing the same thing. You guys chose to merge. Fair enough. You can go to Taken or BDA right now and create the same partnership. No one is stopping you. VD proved we can take down all non-VP raid targets on our own during VP opening weekend. Yes, it was under ideal conditions and uncontested engagements.

The smartest move Rogean could make was to despawn Trak the other day, nudging everyone to work out an agreement. Because this was just getting silly and burning people out. You know ... those people we enjoyed playing and chatting with that don't log in anymore?

Autotune · #5 12-15-2011, 02:11 PM

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There's nothing wrong with two independent guilds raiding together peacefully. Nothing was stopping DA and TMO from doing the same thing. You guys chose to merge. Fair enough. You can go to Taken or BDA right now and create the same partnership. No one is stopping you. VD proved we can take down all non-VP raid targets on our own during VP opening weekend. Yes, it was under ideal conditions and uncontested engagements.

The smartest move Rogean could make was to despawn Trak the other day, nudging everyone to work out an agreement. Because this was just getting silly and burning people out. You know ... those people we enjoyed playing and chatting with that don't log in anymore?

you are two independent guilds (see, guild tags) but you are one raiding guild (see, tracking/killing/lootawarding).

I never said you weren't two different guilds, but when it comes to a raiding agreement you should have been treated as one raiding guild.

YendorLootmonkey · #6 12-15-2011, 02:52 PM

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you are two independent guilds (see, guild tags) but you are one raiding guild (see, tracking/killing/lootawarding).

I never said you weren't two different guilds, but when it comes to a raiding agreement you should have been treated as one raiding guild.

Why? We are capable of killing Trak ourselves uncontested (I.e. in a rotation). Otherwise, if you leave VD out of the rotation, the only way for us to get Trak is to outmobilize another guild. And its not going to be the guild we have a partnership with. Which means TMO goes back to poopsocking and TR gets Trak free and clear during their turn? LOL?

Paumad · #7 12-15-2011, 02:57 PM

No, it means that when competing, you're treated as one. Earning a slot in a rotation is usually after said competition, which you haven't done as VD only(not saying you're not competing with your partnership). Therefore you should still be killing trak within your partner's turn and not your own.
Nobody is saying VD can't kill targets, but you don't really see how clearly easy you're getting it.

Autotune · #8 12-15-2011, 03:05 PM

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Why? We are capable of killing Trak ourselves uncontested (I.e. in a rotation). Otherwise, if you leave VD out of the rotation, the only way for us to get Trak is to outmobilize another guild. And its not going to be the guild we have a partnership with. Which means TMO goes back to poopsocking and TR gets Trak free and clear during their turn? LOL?

Yes, you can kill trak uncontested (no doubt Taken, BDA and Divinity could as well), however, you do not currently qualify as an individual raiding guild. The only time you guys killed Trakanon is when TR and TMO were forced to sit it out. You had all the time in the world. You've held hands with TR/IB for trakanon for a reason. Why? because you don't think you can out mobilize TR or TMO on your own, that is why VD never chose to try before.

So, if we leave VD out of the rotation, the only ways for you to get trakanon is the way you do currently, holding hands with the other half of your raiding guild, or to actually stand as an individual raiding guild and go for trakanon against TMO or IB.

You are looking at it as if you and TR/IB are different raiding guilds, you aren't.

Basically, by your own words, the only way VD would get trakanon, if you weren't in the rotation, is if they stand on their own.

Rais · #9 12-15-2011, 03:17 PM

VD doesn't have the numbers or people willing to camp out 40+ people at 1 spot for a two day period. So yes, you are right. We don't have the people willing to do this and it effects our mobilizations in beating two guilds who have people willing to do this. This isn't some big secret as to how or why any agreement between TR and VD came about.

Taken,BDA or Divnity can't kill trak. Maybe if they all worked together I think they could. They simply don't have the numbers or right classes to do it on their own.

This is the same reason DA/VD held hands before Kunark. Raid content neither guild could have done on their own. It's also the same reason why DA and TMO merged. Each guild couldn't do it on their own and had to merg to challenge with TR.

Tiggles · #10 12-15-2011, 03:39 PM

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Why? We are capable of killing Trak ourselves uncontested (I.e. in a rotation). Otherwise, if you leave VD out of the rotation, the only way for us to get Trak is to outmobilize another guild. And its not going to be the guild we have a partnership with. Which means TMO goes back to poopsocking and TR gets Trak free and clear during their turn? LOL?

Your guild is garbage you would never EVER take a Trak from TMO with out TR/GM assistance.

VD should not be in any type of rotation or agreement they are just TRs 3rd string guild and should be treated as such.

Keeping one tracker in Seb is easy and we don't even need to camp down there we could coth our way down from where ever while your group of retards you call a guild chain wipe to protector.