Alternative to xp loss to prevent bind rushing

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about we see if bind rushing is a problem after launch, instead of coming up with solutions to a problem that may not exist before launch. My guess is that it won't be an issue, mostly because this is a classic server and casters will respawn with 0 mana, and training won't be allowed. On top of exp loss this makes bind rushing a very small problem.

That was the whole point of the thread though, that i didnt like xp loss and we should find a way to get rid of it because it will most likely make PVP happen less often.

I think its better to discuss it earlier than get surprised by it at launch, although we covered alot of ground in this thread about the pros and cons of having or not XP loss, i think it was best articulated by dweed.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about we see if bind rushing is a problem after launch, instead of coming up with solutions to a problem that may not exist before launch. My guess is that it won't be an issue, mostly because this is a classic server and casters will respawn with 0 mana, and training won't be allowed. On top of exp loss this makes bind rushing a very small problem.

Bind rushing isn't what oldfish thinks it is. Even if it takes a person 30 minutes to make it back to the spot they were PK'd at, if they come back and fight for the exp spot they already lost it is bind rushing. And maybe it won't be an issue, but judging by all the people in this thread that seem to feel that bind rushing is a legitimate tactic, I'd say it will be.

With exp loss, these bind rushers are deterred from bind rushing. They lost, they need to get over it and move on. Without the exp loss, I fear it would just become commonplace to corpse camp to preemptively keep the bind rushers at bay. Which wastes time for the people who won the right to the zone/raid/exo spot, and wastes time for the bind rushers.

[Crazerous]

yeah losing xp on pvp deaths is pretty stupid. Ok so its one thing having no item loot, but replacing that with LOSING xp sucks.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Crazerous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah losing xp on pvp deaths is pretty stupid. Ok so its one thing having no item loot, but replacing that with LOSING xp sucks.

How can you support item loot and at the same time denounce exp loss for being too harsh? :P

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by Crazerous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah losing xp on pvp deaths is pretty stupid. Ok so its one thing having no item loot, but replacing that with LOSING xp sucks.

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[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which wastes time for the people who won the right to the zone/raid/exo spot, and wastes time for the bind rushers.

This is where Softcore PK is blue, he thinks that he should permanently win the right to an XP spot, just like calling a camp on blue and calls PVPing a waste of time.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is where Softcore PK is blue, he thinks that he should permanently win the right to an XP spot, just like calling a camp on blue and calls PVPing a waste of time.

I'm as red as they come, babe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ is a pve game. With limited pve resources, pvp is a fun means of staking claim to those resources.. or losing out on them. And pvp can of course be a fun activity to do in its own right; Tunare knows I used to travel Norrath with a group of like-minded elves laying waste to any and all shorts, humans and darks we came across. And you'll still be able to do so.. what's stopping you?

And if you want to bind rush, you're free to do that too. If you do it too much to me though, you'll be corpse camped and hopefully you lose a lot of exp. Because I consider it to be griefing, and losers need to know when they're beat. If you want to log in sometime and do nothing but pvp, there's nothing wrong with going to different zones to find that pvp when you lose in another zone. Mix it up imo.

[Amuk]

The only part I don't get is "corpse camping is frowned upon" aka I don't give a shit and will kill any naked person I see over, and over etc. I like the idea of exp loss personally, keep the bind rushing fgts commen - I'll exp them down to lvl 1.

At first I thought it was bad too, but I've seen the capabilities of some no life retards that will just keep comming all night.

[Amuk]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm as red as they come, babe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ is a pve game. With limited pve resources, pvp is a fun means of staking claim to those resources.. or losing out on them. And pvp can of course be a fun activity to do in its own right; Tunare knows I used to travel Norrath with a group of like-minded elves laying waste to any and all shorts, humans and darks we came across. And you'll still be able to do so.. what's stopping you?

And if you want to bind rush, you're free to do that too. If you do it too much to me though, you'll be corpse camped and hopefully you lose a lot of exp. Because I consider it to be griefing, and losers need to know when they're beat. If you want to log in sometime and do nothing but pvp, there's nothing wrong with going to different zones to find that pvp when you lose in another zone. Mix it up imo.

.................................................. .................................................. Really tempted to eat a forum warning on this.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

.................................................. .................................................. Really tempted to eat a forum warning on this.

i dare you XD