Questioning GM Decisions

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, MQ developers are without a doubt working on something undetectable by Rogean's code. Fewer will cheat knowing the risk but this is not the end of cheating.

noone will ever risk to use mq again except those newcomers not knowing about the latest events

[psyphon]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

noone will ever risk to use mq again except those newcomers not knowing about the latest events

That seems laughable. What prevents them from creating a new account, hiding behind a proxy, and testing the latest version of a cheating program? Banned? Just wait till the next cheating program release, carry on playing on "clean" account on own IP.

If these players have shown the moral deficit required to cheat, they'll continue to do so. I somewhat understand the GM's decision for a one time clemency. But it only makes sense if they can be sure they'll catch them the next time round.

I think a punishment strong enough to make at least some of the cheaters leave the server altogether would have been more worthwhile. As it is, the cheaters will just be more careful.

I'm curious about those 46+ accounts that have been banned since the first 365. My guess would be that most of them are brand new accounts from the same old cheaters, already testing the waters.

[jimthayner]

Originally Posted by psyphon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If these players have shown the moral deficit required to cheat, they'll continue to do so.

Stop right there. There is nothing immoral about cheating, it is unethical. An immoral act is genocide against six million Jews, 500,000 Kurds, or a theistic oppressive regime's acts (like the Taliban).

An unethical act is cheating on your spelling test.

Calling cheating immoral in a fucking emulated Everquest server is saying Bush or Obama = Hitler.

Cheating is wrong on this server, and something to be avoided by players and punished by GMs. But to say that cheating on MMOs is immoral shows a remarkable lack of comprehension...of the English language and...well...what words mean.

Let's tone down the rhetoric/mudslinging and call cheating in P1999 what it is: an act that breaks the rules, and is by no means comparable to stealing ketchup packets from a restaurant.

[psyphon]

Originally Posted by jimthayner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is nothing immoral about cheating, it is unethical.

Semantics. The terms are largely interchangeable. By strict definitions I'd still argue cheating is both unethical and immoral. Morality is an understanding of the difference between right, and wrong. (And not just when thousands of lives are at stake.)

Originally Posted by jimthayner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cheating is wrong

Truth.

Originally Posted by jimthayner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cheating is wrong on this server

And maybe this is where we disagree. I'd say cheating is always wrong, regardless of location, circumstance, or the actions of others.

[Threepoint]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

noone will ever risk to use mq again except those newcomers not knowing about the latest events

Yeah cause that 2 week suspension is such a brutal punishment

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Threepoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah cause that 2 week suspension is such a brutal punishment

after all of this whining the last 2 weeks on the boards u can rest assured that a leniency wont be repeated, even if they need to ban 500 cheaters at once the next time caught.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

after all of this whining the last 2 weeks on the boards u can rest assured that a leniency wont be repeated, even if they need to ban 500 cheaters at once the next time caught.

Good.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

noone will ever risk to use mq again except those newcomers not knowing about the latest events

As already stated this is false. I would be very surprised if there is not already a work around for their hack detection.

[casdegere]

What I think it kind of funny is that people "think" they know this or that. Well, I guess we will just see.