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[kanly]

gnosticism deals with knowledge, theism deals with belief, one can be both an agnostic and an atheist, one can also be one and not the other. I would be both, i do not know if there is a god or not, nor do i believe i should worship any god. On a side note i prefer reading Hitchens as he is more entertaining. I mean no disrespect by this statement. i like what i have read of yours so far Hasbinbad so i hope you dont take offense.

btw zordana the link is the song bukowski by modest mouse, decent song.

edit: also i can understand why some people think atheists "know" that there is no god. some atheists claim this and thus would be gnostic about the idea of god. Claiming to know that there is no god in the same way that we know that people breath o2 is retarded. Though i would differentiate this from the claim that the abrahamic religions are most likely false due to what ever inconsistencies you want to show made by some

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by kanly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gnosticism deals with knowledge, theism deals with belief, one can be both an agnostic and an atheist, one can also be one and not the other.

I respectfully disagree with you sir.

a·the·ism
[ey-thee-iz-uh[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]m] –noun
1.the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2.disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

I do not see how there is room within the basic definition of atheism to simultaneously hold a belief in the non-existence of a higher power and the idea of a total lack of knowledge. The one denies the other.

Originally Posted by kanly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would be both, i do not know if there is a god or not, nor do i believe i should worship any god.

You say you're an atheist, but you speak as if you're an agnostic. I think you should listen to less propaganda (respectfully).

Originally Posted by kanly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean no disrespect by this statement. i like what i have read of yours so far Hasbinbad so i hope you dont take offense.

Thank you for your consideration. No offense taken! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by kanly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit: also i can understand why some people think atheists "know" that there is no god.

It's not "some," look again at the basic definition above.

Originally Posted by kanly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some atheists claim this and thus would be gnostic about the idea of god. Claiming to know that there is no god in the same way that we know that people breath o2 is retarded.

You say you're an atheist, but you speak as if you're an agnostic. I think you should listen to less propaganda (respectfully).

Originally Posted by kanly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Though i would differentiate this from the claim that the abrahamic religions are most likely false due to what ever inconsistencies you want to show made by some

Contradictions seem to abound in every religion man, not just the religions of the book. The problem is discrimination. They are all equally wrong when taken literally. There is also GREAT good to be gleaned from each, contradictory or not. Think of the bible like Aesop's fables or something. Obviously a fox did not covet sour grapes in reality, but we can all learn something about sportsmanship from that story.

Again this is my essential point: people who take these things literally and spout off as if what they say is the truth are the problem. If people just took the good from the stories, the world would be a much better place. Conversely, if people continue to teach their children that the world is 6,000 years old based on the book of genesis, the population of the world will continue to wither intellectually.