Enough with this manastone list BS

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back to the original topic...

I think this whole list thing is BS, at least in theory. Ie if I'm camping a manastone I shouldn't be able to just have my friend take over the camp when I leave IF someone else is there and willing to take it. I think whenever the original camper leaves, whoever is actually at the camp should /rand it or whatever. Of course, the original camper could also just stay and try to force any competition out, or people end up bringing 10 of their friends and all do a /rand to stack the odds.

So in practice it might not work to do away with lists... but at least in theory once the original camper leaves all rights to the camp go to whoever is physically at the camp. If there are competitors, /rand.

Level 50 Member of Guild A is soloing Lord camp in Guktop.
Level 50 Member of Guild B sees it camped and chooses to wait.
Three level 30 members of Guild A come and group with the Level 50 of Guild A.
One hour passes and the Level 50 of Guild A decides he needs to get going.

So you are saying that the two level 30 members of Guild A should be forced to leave the camp based on the fact that the other person was there longer?

I have handed off many camps in my day and I really don't see a problem with it. Look at it like a group with revolving members. Just because the 6 people that were in the group controlling a spawn are not the same 6 people that are there now, does not mean that the camp was never unattended and you deserve it. Group members change, they never give up their spot.

Sure you could say they are "abusing the system" but from a GM perspective, it is a party with changing members that never leaves the camp unattended. There is no reason for that party to ever give it up.

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Level 50 Member of Guild A is soloing Lord camp in Guktop.
Level 50 Member of Guild B sees it camped and chooses to wait.
Three level 30 members of Guild A come and group with the Level 50 of Guild A.
One hour passes and the Level 50 of Guild A decides he needs to get going.

So you are saying that the two level 30 members of Guild A should be forced to leave the camp based on the fact that the other person was there longer?

I have handed off many camps in my day and I really don't see a problem with it. Look at it like a group with revolving members. Just because the 6 people that were in the group controlling a spawn are not the same 6 people that are there now, does not mean that the camp was never unattended and you deserve it. Group members change, they never give up their spot.

Sure you could say they are "abusing the system" but from a GM perspective, it is a party with changing members that never leaves the camp unattended. There is no reason for that party to ever give it up.

No I'm not saying that. If two people in guild A are camping EE, and one person leaves but the other person can still hold it, that person should be allowed to. Even if someone else showed up before one of them.

What I'm imagining is more like this:

"I have the right to camp this spot, AND when I leave I have the right to hand it off to someone who isn't even here and will show up 5 seconds before I leave". Personally I never viewed camp rights as including hand off rights as well.

I guess then whoever he wants to hand it off to will just show up 5 minutes before the original camper leaves. To me it becomes a question of at what point is it a hand off and at what point is it a group simply changing members. In practice I realize it's pretty much impossible to consistently enforce. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jokesteve]

I don't see what all the fuss is about.

1: No one has to let you in their group
2: If one member leaves and they have a replacement come they are obviously not going to stick around long after the new person arrives.


If you fail to see the logic in this, you might as well not log in to play.

Just my 2cp

Edit: The way the staff handled this is spectacular in my opinion, 2 thumbs up.

[Hasbinbad]

I agree, the rules as they stand are classic and fair. If you can continue a rotation 24/7 on a camp by replacing yourself, then tough luck to others (and I have been on the losing end of this many times).

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Jokesteve [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see what all the fuss is about.

1: No one has to let you in their group
2: If one member leaves and they have a replacement come they are obviously not going to stick around long after the new person arrives.


If you fail to see the logic in this, you might as well not log in to play.

zzz, big difference between a disagreement of opinion, and if you don't see it my way then GTFO. Leave that to yourself.

I was merely stating my thoughts of the matter, if you noted I said even if I wanted it my way I said it would be pretty much impossible to enforce.

[Jokesteve]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

zzz, big difference between a disagreement of opinion, and if you don't see it my way then GTFO. Leave that to yourself.

I got just one question.

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[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Jokesteve [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got just one question.

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Not a bro, and not really.

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In practice I realize it's pretty much impossible to consistently enforce. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is the point I am trying to make. It pretty much boils down to a continuing group imo. I understand your frustration though.

[Finawin]

That's how it always was, though.

It may not be "fair" but neither is it "fair" to the guild, group of friends, person at the camp who have put the effort in to have their camp jacked out from beneath them because of a minority's idea that they should get it because they sat there physically.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a bro..

Suuuure bro. We all know you like Jack Johnson.. We were JUST up in your room talking about it with the Natty Ice and Game Cube.