Petition: Guild raid suspensions should be progressively longer every time

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

600 raids in VP on P99 between the hours of 4am and 8am is the qualifier for having any opinion on this topic.

Ftfy, casual scum!

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Tayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does a guild that brags about downing VP dragons in seconds insist that the only way to do VP is to train trash around until they can get the dragon they want and pull it.

On live my guild killed the trash and moved around killing the dragons in VP. It took longer, it had its hiccups but if you claim you have skill then lets see. TMO can go left, IB can go right and you should both be able to avoid one another.

Who wants to waste their time playing a game?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who wants to waste their time playing a game?

Welcome to PoopsockQuest, where it's totally fine to wait around for hours for a dragon to spawn, but we'll be damned if we're going to take 30 minutes to clear some trash before zerging down that dragon. And we're all super skilled, but we're going to use 50 people to kill mobs that don't really need more than 20.

[Daldaen]

The problem with a wipe is the players who are left on the outside now are almost guaranteed to be left on the outside after the wipe too. Primarily because they aren't neckbeardy enough.

Those players currently locking down the raid scene, are the same ones who would sit on Manastone and Guise camps for 18 hours straight and then transfer them off to their guildmate who would sit on the camp for 18 hours straight.

It would leave everyone who thought the wipe would solve all their problems very discouraged. Some people may jump up from their current status of being left on the outside, to being a poopsockerrs themselves but they will need a huge time commitment. And some who are already those who are monopolizing may leave when they don't want to put in the time starting over.

However it will not fix the underlying issue of two factions of playtime. Those who are willing to put in 50+ hours a week Poopsocking and staring at a wall and those who aren't.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Basenji [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, there will always be a group of players who win the race. That's the nature of contested content. But the situation you describe is still orders of magnitude more classic than the current environment.

Really, the server needs to wipe every 2 years. This one, or new one for that purpose, I don't care. The inflation oriented nature of these games makes wiping the server the only want you can create any semblance of balance and consistency.

It wouldn't be more classic for the casual player who logs on once in a while to group with some friends which makes up a larger player base than the endgame raiders. The majority of players don't even have a level 60 character yet.

[Basenji]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wouldn't be more classic for the casual player who logs on once in a while to group with some friends which makes up a larger player base than the endgame raiders. The majority of players don't even have a level 60 character yet.

Really? I think it would make the most difference for exactly those players. I remember digging dangerously deep into Blackburrow in the early teens with two friends so I could get a Runed Totem staff. You can't really experience that here, or any proxy of it. There's too much cheap gear that's too good. The server is too inflated. It would actually make less of a difference to the raiders, for exactly the reasons to describe.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Basenji [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? I think it would make the most difference for exactly those players. I remember digging dangerously deep into Blackburrow in the early teens with two friends so I could get a Runed Totem staff. You can't really experience that here, or any proxy of it. There's too much cheap gear that's too good. The server is too inflated. It would actually make less of a difference to the raiders, for exactly the reasons to describe.

If I was a level 40 who's only been playing once a week for the last 2 years I'd probably be pretty pissed to log on one day to find my chars missing and wouldn't come back. Only a minority of players log on to these boards with any kind of regularity too. A wipe would completely blindside the majority of the player base.

[Basenji]

Oh, right. Good point. A second server with an express cyclical wipe schedule is definitely the way to go. And with that, I'm going to bow out of this thread. That's a different discussion than policing the raid scene here, so we're just derailing at this point.

Also, my account is 2 years old. I have a level 43 bard and a level 35 SK on this server (yes, both hybrids). I generally only play in the cold weather months and my playtime is already starting to taper off this season. I'm exactly the player you describe, and I'm fully in favor of a wipe. And frankly, it's because I barely play that I don't care if I lose all my stuff.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Basenji [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, right. Good point. A second server with an express cyclical wipe schedule is definitely the way to go. And with that, I'm going to bow out of this thread. That's a different discussion than policing the raid scene here, so we're just derailing at this point.

Also, my account is 2 years old. I have a level 43 bard and a level 35 SK on this server (yes, both hybrids). I generally only play in the cold weather months and my playtime is already starting to taper off this season. I'm exactly the player you describe, and I'm fully in favor of a wipe. And frankly, it's because I barely play that I don't care if I lose all my stuff.

I'd be in favor of something like that. As far as derailing this thread, discussions like this never amount to anything. The staff's gonna do what the staff's gonna do. It's in the wrong forum at any rate.

[skipdog]

This is silly, because it penalizes a guild more for being around for a long time. That just doesn't make sense to me.