Should I retire my 60 wizard?

[Erydan Ouragan]

Putting the perspective of DPM on a wizard is absurd.

You don't get a wizard for DPS, you get a wizard because they're a safety valve. They're like your car insurance, you only realize how good it is the day an accident happens. When your cleric or CC goes suddenly LD or accidental overpull or weird glitchy pathing happens and you suddenly need THIS mob do die RIGHT NOW, it's then you realize wizards are made of pure brutal awesomeness.

No other class in the game can unload as fast and with that power, not even close.

With evac and the best burst in the game, wizards are the CEOs of Wipe Prevention Ltd.

I thought that wizards sucked and were just an afk xp sponge until i grouped with a guy truly amazing and now i'm converted, wizards get a priority spot in my groups any time possible.

It's a shame there's so few of them, though.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by innocent51 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizard are the best raid dps from Classic to Call of the Forsaken.

14 years of pure ownage, never challenged. Velious (with banes) being the arguably (some people will claim pre nerf Beams Era was even better) the Zenith of Wizard domination.

Wizard is hands down the best raid dps up until velious. Rogues and monks will dominate velious dps since the fights are a lot longer and wizards will likely be oom halfway through most fights.


That is of course your raid has like 20 wizards.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When your cleric or CC goes suddenly LD

In which case a backup healer/shaman/second CC (Bard + Chanter for example) is still more effective than a "safety valve" that can deal, at most (if we ignore what happens if he gets aggro from unloading his mana), about 3.1 x total mana (Estimated at 2700ish x 3 so 8100... still pitiful compared to what a necro who absolutely bombs dots and feigns can do) prior to 60.

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or accidental overpull

Second CC class is better. Even two enchanters in the same group is better still than a chanter and a wizard.

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

need THIS mob do die RIGHT NOW

Have you actually calculated the burst of a Mag pet + mag nukes or Necro pet + necro nukes or chanter charmed pet + chanter nukes or druid charmed pet (if you happen to be so lucky, i.e. plane of hate) + druid nukes?

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wizards are made of pure brutal awesomeness.

If brutal awesomeness is the total HP level of the weakest mobs in seb for an entire mana bar.

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No other class in the game can unload as fast and with that power, not even close.

I wonder if the numbers actually bear this out.

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With evac and the best burst in the game, wizards are the CEOs of Wipe Prevention Ltd.

That's chanter/bard/druid/shaman.

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizard is hands down the best raid dps up until velious. Rogues and monks will dominate velious dps since the fights are a lot longer and wizards will likely be oom halfway through most fights.

That is of course your raid has like 20 wizards.

It's the last part of a fight where wizards are needed; CH from unstunnable/unmezzable mobs is kind of an annoying problem in velious. You need a massive amount of damage in the last minute or two of a fight. But yeah, rogues and monks over the course of the entire fight.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In which case a backup healer/shaman/second CC (Bard + Chanter for example) is still more effective than a "safety valve" that can deal, at most (if we ignore what happens if he gets aggro from unloading his mana), about 3.1 x total mana (Estimated at 2700ish x 3 so 8100... still pitiful compared to what a necro who absolutely bombs dots and feigns can do) prior to 60.

Ok.

Second CC class is better. Even two enchanters in the same group is better still than a chanter and a wizard.

I guess you're right on that.

Have you actually calculated the burst of a Mag pet + mag nukes or Necro pet + necro nukes or chanter charmed pet + chanter nukes or druid charmed pet (if you happen to be so lucky, i.e. plane of hate) + druid nukes?

No but i have calculated that when Venus aligns with the second moon of the third month of an even year, very situational things happen once in a while.

If brutal awesomeness is the total HP level of the weakest mobs in seb for an entire mana bar.

Well considering the weakest mob in seb is a lvl 41 Froglok Kor Shaman with 2091hp, i'd say you're wrong on this one. Wizards can't 2-shot Trak though.

I wonder if the numbers actually bear this out.

I wonder too. I'm going to cross-post to the math forums and get back to you.

That's chanter/bard/druid/shaman.

Possible, but i think cleric/cleric/cleric/cleric would even be better.



I guess you were right man, i viewed wizards as suck, then awesome and now they're back to suck. If i was OP i'd reroll a chanterdruidbardshaman with a hate pet that can necrodotbomb and FD.

I'd still log on the wiz to port for plat, even though druids are better because they have sow.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Putting the perspective of DPM on a wizard is absurd.

You don't get a wizard for DPS, you get a wizard because they're a safety valve. They're like your car insurance, you only realize how good it is the day an accident happens. When your cleric or CC goes suddenly LD or accidental overpull or weird glitchy pathing happens and you suddenly need THIS mob do die RIGHT NOW, it's then you realize wizards are made of pure brutal awesomeness.

No other class in the game can unload as fast and with that power, not even close.

With evac and the best burst in the game, wizards are the CEOs of Wipe Prevention Ltd.

I thought that wizards sucked and were just an afk xp sponge until i grouped with a guy truly amazing and now i'm converted, wizards get a priority spot in my groups any time possible.

It's a shame there's so few of them, though.

BiS rogues can do 4k in 12 seconds with a perfect duelist. Averaging closer to 3k. On a lure only mob, wizards are only doing about 1500-1800 in that time period. Rogues are just god tier dps :P

[Clark]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BiS rogues can do 4k in 12 seconds with a perfect duelist. Averaging closer to 3k. On a lure only mob, wizards are only doing about 1500-1800 in that time period. Rogues are just God tier dps :P

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