Should I retire my 60 wizard?

[Fame]

Originally Posted by raptorak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reroll wiz on red.

Took 4 pages for the truth about wizards to come out?

[coki]

Rolled a ranger recently and while its kinda fun, any mages pet thats lower level then me can out dps me and it makes me sad and wishing i rolled an iksar monk instead

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Snackies [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by Sckrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obv quit being bad and use YOUR Staff of the Four + Manna Robe in conjunction with spam clicking Solist's Robe of Invocation!

How many of these items actually exist on the server? It's kind of like saying "Magicians are so good because their epic is awesome." :/

Sort of depresses me that my highest char is a wizard. lol

Originally Posted by Bill Tetley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

had a wiz in my chef group the other day and the dps was sick. nuked right when shaman would start to heal putting it down to flee. was cruised through merbs

The dps wasn't sick because of the wizard:

Think of a wizard level 51-59 (sunstrike @60 is roughly 3.59 damage per mana, any of the draught nuke line are about 3.06-3.1 depending on level) as pretty much this:

( [mana regeneration over T time period] x ~3.06 ) - resists = Sustained damage over T

So, without clarity: [200 mana in 10 ticks or 60 seconds] x ~3.06 = 612 damage per minute = 10.2 DPS.

With C2: [310 mana in 10 ticks or 60 seconds] x ~3.06 = 948.6 damage per minute = 15.81 DPS

Ranger dps with average gear = ???

My # on mana per tick is from memory so it might be a little off. But that doesn't significantly affect these #'s.

Splurt, depending whether it runs its full course on every mob you fight, is as much if a little more than wizard overall sustained dps over the course of a group.

[HawkMasterson1999]

Originally Posted by coki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rolled a ranger recently and while its kinda fun, any mages pet thats lower level then me can out dps me and it makes me sad and wishing i rolled an iksar monk instead

I recently duo'd with a monk 2 lvls higher than my ranger and I got the aggro every time even with him pulling. I didn't even cast on them. Its one of those classes thats only fun if you invest alot into gear

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by coki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rolled a ranger recently and while its kinda fun, any mages pet thats lower level then me can out dps me and it makes me sad and wishing i rolled an iksar monk instead

I killed Quillmane and got a cloak on my ranger at 29 because I arrowed him to death. So Rangers have that...

[HawkMasterson1999]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Grouped seb last night with my three stuns, sunstrike and c2 and bard, and it didn't seem it mattered how well I interrupted or reserved mana, it was a joke compared to any melee's sustained dps. Thinking of just stripping my character and rerolling. wtf were they thinking with this class, they had two fucking expansions to fix it. Someone give me a reason not to.

Retire is such an ugly word in this case. You can always keep your wizard fully geared and just bench him until the need for a wizard arises. Lots of us play multiple toons that are high lvl. I play chanter, cleric and druid that are 50 plus. Whatever im the mood to play that day...

[gwideon]

Sustained DPS got better when they fixed rains (on live) so that the last wave didn't get resisted as much, and the pets didn't eat waves. I was surprised that they broke it intentionally on this server. We didn't match other dps classes after they fixed it, but we were not quite as mana bound and could contribute to exp groups more.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Putting the perspective of DPM on a wizard is absurd.

You don't get a wizard for DPS, you get a wizard because they're a safety valve. They're like your car insurance, you only realize how good it is the day an accident happens. When your cleric or CC goes suddenly LD or accidental overpull or weird glitchy pathing happens and you suddenly need THIS mob do die RIGHT NOW, it's then you realize wizards are made of pure brutal awesomeness.

No other class in the game can unload as fast and with that power, not even close.

With evac and the best burst in the game, wizards are the CEOs of Wipe Prevention Ltd.

I thought that wizards sucked and were just an afk xp sponge until i grouped with a guy truly amazing and now i'm converted, wizards get a priority spot in my groups any time possible.

It's a shame there's so few of them, though.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by innocent51 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizard are the best raid dps from Classic to Call of the Forsaken.

14 years of pure ownage, never challenged. Velious (with banes) being the arguably (some people will claim pre nerf Beams Era was even better) the Zenith of Wizard domination.

Wizard is hands down the best raid dps up until velious. Rogues and monks will dominate velious dps since the fights are a lot longer and wizards will likely be oom halfway through most fights.


That is of course your raid has like 20 wizards.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Putting the perspective of DPM on a wizard is absurd.

You don't get a wizard for DPS, you get a wizard because they're a safety valve. They're like your car insurance, you only realize how good it is the day an accident happens. When your cleric or CC goes suddenly LD or accidental overpull or weird glitchy pathing happens and you suddenly need THIS mob do die RIGHT NOW, it's then you realize wizards are made of pure brutal awesomeness.

No other class in the game can unload as fast and with that power, not even close.

With evac and the best burst in the game, wizards are the CEOs of Wipe Prevention Ltd.

I thought that wizards sucked and were just an afk xp sponge until i grouped with a guy truly amazing and now i'm converted, wizards get a priority spot in my groups any time possible.

It's a shame there's so few of them, though.

BiS rogues can do 4k in 12 seconds with a perfect duelist. Averaging closer to 3k. On a lure only mob, wizards are only doing about 1500-1800 in that time period. Rogues are just god tier dps :P