Best setup for rogue end game

[commongood]

I appreciate all the input, but with all due respect, I am interested in the differences (however small they may be) between the weapons I mentioned.

So for argument's sake lets assume I always maximize everything else (like having resist gear and wort pots etc).

If that is the case, will I output more dmg with Vyemm Fang or Claw of Lightning in the off hand?

[Cecily]

With all due respect, Vyemm is not an appropriate offhand. Claw is not an appropriate offhand. Ragebringer is BIS offhand for its stats and the 40 atk it applies to every attack/ backstab. The reason one would use those weapons you mentioned would be to swap in Ragebringer for backstabs which isn't best practice or recommended.

If you've gotten to this point without being able to assess offhands, that's pretty funny. One of those two you mentioned has a higher ratio. Higher ratio generally means better offhand, except in cases where you're gaining a massive ATK buff on a slot that only accounts for 20-25% of your damage.

[Cecily]

Hope this helps

[Snaggles]

You can gear your character however you want. For a rogue there are less paths as most other dps melees have a 2h option.

If it was me and I was trying to scrap out the cheapest DKP setup, id get a Tunare dagger and a primal then call it a day. Buy a Turtle belt in EC. That isn’t the “best” but it’s a solid 9/10. You can always loot a claw and parse it yourself.

If you don’t want to use a calculator, the wiki has a sort by dmg/delay option. Claw = .78 Vyemm Fang .76

https://wiki.project1999.com/Special...ndary/AllItems

[kjs86z2]

but muh dee kay peees

[Jimjam]

B b but yous guise sez surviving fights is the real dps so surely fang is better cos it triggers more mark of karn??

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by commongood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I appreciate all the input, but with all due respect, I am interested in the differences (however small they may be) between the weapons I mentioned.

So for argument's sake lets assume I always maximize everything else (like having resist gear and wort pots etc).

If that is the case, will I output more dmg with Vyemm Fang or Claw of Lightning in the off hand?

I did some of the numbers using my DPS calculator in another thread:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No problem! I can show you some parses with everything.

The Rogue is level 60, has 255 STR, 100% Haste, and 100 ATK base. No duelist during the fight:

Against a normal level 50 mob with 115 AC:

1. Ragebringer Primary + Claw of Lightning Secondary = 145 DPS with Double Backstabs and + 40 ATK.

2. Vyemm Fang Primary + Ragebringer Secondary = 143.5 DPS with Double Backstabs and + 40 ATK. No main hand swapping to Ragebringer.

3. Vyemm Fang Primary + Claw of Lightning Secondary = 145.5 DPS with Double Backstabs. No main hand swapping to Ragebringer.

4. Mrylokar's Primary + Claw of Lightning Secondary = 153 DPS with Double Backstabs.

Against a 60+ mob with 400 AC and 200 AGI:

1. Ragebringer Primary + Claw of Lightning Secondary = 96.5 DPS with Double Backstabs and + 40 ATK.

2. Vyemm Fang Primary + Ragebringer Secondary = 97 DPS with Double Backstabs and + 40 ATK. No main hand swapping to Ragebringer.

3. Vyemm Fang Primary + Claw of Lightning Secondary = 95.5 DPS with Double Backstabs. No main hand swapping to Ragebringer.

4. Mrylokar's Primary + Claw of Lightning Secondary = 99 DPS with Double Backstabs.

As Cecily pointed out, the +40 ATK from Ragebringer is significant, regardless of what hand you put Ragebringer in. The +40 ATK makes up for Ragebringer's worse ratio.

To answer your question with my DPS calculator, Mrylokar + Vyemm Fang would do like 152 DPS against a level 50 mob with 115 AC, which is slightly worse than the 153 DPS with Mrylokar + Claw.

[sammoHung]

I simply do not get tired of warmbody raiders that dump DKP into rogues or monks and have no idea how the classes work.

Ragebringer is BiS offhand. +40 Attack is irreplaceable. That's how this game works. The higher ATK you have, the more chance you have to land hits. The more chance to land hits, the more DPS you do.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

B b but yous guise sez surviving fights is the real dps so surely fang is better cos it triggers more mark of karn??

I have a Silver Whip of Rage equipped more often than my claw on the ranger (but a 2h more often than DW).

IMHO if you are committed to cycling in the epic for backstabs, the whip is barely a drop over the claw and a chunk of SVM and a rune.

[sammoHung]

I played a rogue on live from 2000-2003 and the only other rogue players were all fuckin scholars of the class.

p99 rogues are a goddamn disappointment.