Best solo melee class?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, which is crazy considering how easy that myth is to bust with a parser.

Slow MH, Fast OH of a different skill type. Check the parse after. Or just look at the log and look for outliers (an offhand crush x3 before the main hand pierce/slash, etc).

Plenty of people have misunderstandings about small details of the game. It is normal. This is especially true when people's memories get mixed up between P99 and live.

Some people think ATK doesn't increase your max damage (it does), not everybody knows that hate is generated on both a hit and a miss for melee attacks, etc.

That is why people ask other players on the forums for information, even if they have played for a long time. There is a lot to learn about EQ, which is one of the fun things about the game.

[Naethyn]

ATK increases maximum damage if by that you mean the total damage in a fight. ATK does not increase your maximum hit.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ATK increases maximum damage if by that you mean the total damage in a fight. ATK does not increase your maximum hit.

ATK does increase your maximum hit if you are not capped already at the 285 percent damage cap. I tested it quite thoroughly on my SK. I have a 200 max damage hit with Epic and no ATK buffs. After putting on an ATK item or buff (these items/buffs did not have STR on them), my max hit would go up to 202 or 203, depending on the ATK amount added. This lines up with EQEMU code as well. I did multiple long parses to confirm it.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plenty of people have misunderstandings about small details of the game. It is normal. This is especially true when people's memories get mixed up between P99 and live.

Some people think ATK doesn't increase your max damage (it does), not everybody knows that hate is generated on both a hit and a miss for melee attacks, etc.

That is why people ask other players on the forums for information, even if they have played for a long time. There is a lot to learn about EQ, which is one of the fun things about the game.

I’m all for learning and teaching. Much of EQ falls into dogma though, recycled over the years with the applied confidence of a misspelled tattoo. Not accounting for timeline patches or modern application of tactics.

The MH/OH myth is just a funny one because you can test it with a level 1 monk and a Fire Beetle eye. Some people would rather argue on Discord than log in and know for certain.

As an aside, my presumption is that Naethyn meant maxed skill, str, level. A Meljeldin at 60 hits for a max of 275; with Avatar you just do a lot more hits on the upper end of the spectrum.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m all for learning and teaching. Much of EQ falls into dogma though, recycled over the years with the applied confidence of a misspelled tattoo. Not accounting for timeline patches or modern application of tactics.

The MH/OH myth is just a funny one because you can test it with a level 1 monk and a Fire Beetle eye. Some people would rather argue on Discord than log in and know for certain.

As an aside, my presumption is that Naethyn meant maxed skill, str, level. A Meljeldin at 60 hits for a max of 275; with Avatar you just do a lot more hits on the upper end of the spectrum.

Yeah as I said in my previous post, you won't get a larger maximum hit via ATK (or STR) if you are already damage capped. But if you aren't damage capped, then ATK will increase your maximum hit.

As for MH/OH, that is something you can miss, because many people on P99 do not naturally put fire beetle eyes in their offhands. These days a lot of players start with haste items and low delay weapons on both hands. That is why I didn't catch the independent offhand timer initially. I had to go out of my way to get a specific item to test it. I used a 60 delay 2h weapon on my Monk unhasted and checked how many times I could fistweave between mainhand swings. Most P99 players aren't using high delay weapons unhasted on Monks, or non weapon items.

It can be easy to miss max hit increases too. The chances of getting a max hit when you aren't damage capped is quite low, so it can be tough to test. Corudoth is a good test target for max hits. Also if you have been BiS for years with a Primal, you can probably forget what it's like to not be at the damage cap.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for MH/OH, that is something you can miss, because many people on P99 do not naturally put fire beetle eyes in their offhands.

In the hypothetical test Snaggles was talking about, why do you think the fire beetle eye goes in the offhand?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the hypothetical test Snaggles was talking about, why do you think the fire beetle eye goes in the offhand?

I misspoke, thanks for catching that! I was thinking about new untwinked low level players using fire beetle eyes as light sources while typing that. A low level warrior (before they get dual wield) can equip a fire beetle eye in the offhand as a lightsource. There isn't really a reason for a melee character to use a fire beetle eye in their main hand other than testing offhand, especially when most players twink new characters on P99.

[Infectious]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I misspoke, thanks for catching that! I was thinking about new untwinked low level players using fire beetle eyes as light sources while typing that. A low level warrior (before they get dual wield) can equip a fire beetle eye in the offhand as a lightsource. There isn't really a reason for a melee character to use a fire beetle eye in their main hand other than testing offhand, especially when most players twink new characters on P99.

DSM has all the good useful information. He should have his own stickies tab at this point.

[Naethyn]

https://youtu.be/eYr3aGFxjlQ

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM has all the good useful information. He should have his own stickies tab at this point.

Agreed! Thanks for the support.