1 Guise in 24 hours? no manastone in 32 Hours

[Tierilo]

So tired of hearing its classic for thing that are terrible and then turning around in the same breath and getting kicked with thing like quest exp nerfs...

[sentinel]

Or linked items, or shaman pets, etc

Selectively classic

[waltjig]

Originally Posted by sentinel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or linked items, or shaman pets, etc

Selectively classic

You know you don’t have to play, right?

[turbosilk]

The time people spend camping could be spend farming plat to just buy the manastone. Problem solved.

Socialize, make friends, have them help you. Problem solved.

[u_lock]

Random is random. People seem to forget that.

I camped both Manastone and Guise. It's most definitely unhealthy to do in a single sitting. Most people have friends or brothers play their character while they're sleeping, etc. I've seen 3 people get removed from lists because they eventually fell asleep and missed an AFK check.

I've seen no manastone drop in 30 hours (dude waited over 50 hours for his stone). I've also seen three drop in 14 hours.

Random is random.

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The time people spend camping could be spend farming plat to just buy the manastone. Problem solved.

That's mostly what I have done. Group, do something interesting that makes money, give it to someone who is willing to undergo torture by RPG for more plat.

[sentinel]

Originally Posted by waltjig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know you don’t have to play, right?

Of course. And I appreciate that the devs put their free time into something for all of us to enjoy. Rumors of RMT aside that is.

I'm just pointing out it is silly to use "it's classic" as a reason for something when so many things aren't classic. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy or appreciate p99.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair, the randomness of P99's RNG IS pretty fucking wonky.

Yep. Specifically, it is globally random but not very random locally, meaning that it's randomness has a very coarse ganularity - for a small sample size you will generally get a much lower randomicity than you will for a large one. What this means in our terms is that there can be much more streakiness than you would expect from a smoother stochastic function. Meaning 'suck it, expect long stretches of absurdly bad randomness'. I don't know if this is because of the algorithm they use, or if the entropy gathering is bad....but some of it probably comes from compressing a random range into a 'fail/succeed' binary. We never see the underlying range or the set of fail rolls vs. the set of success rolls, so it looks super streaky to us.
I am also suspicious about the pattern I usually see when TS-ing - set of 10-15 fails followed by a set of 3-5 successes. This pattern goes on a lot and it implies that there is somethign else going on underneath that has some kind of internal state.
And yeah, I don't get why people want these items so badly. Seems nuts to me, I don't think they are particularly useful enough to justify.

[CalypsoDG]

Originally Posted by MasterCS [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is where you don’t get it. People don’t HAVE to camp these items, they choose to knowing the time required. If they choose elf sim pixels over their own health, time with others, etc., that’s on them. Why are we always trying to protect people from themselves?

preach

if you wanna die for free pixels then rip

[Xeddzul]

Originally Posted by French Wizard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no one camped anything for 20 hours in 1999 they just played a few hours and hoped to get lucky.

Not true. I can't say it was '99 as it may have been '00 but I certainly did a few 36+ hour camps...