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Old 07-04-2013, 06:21 PM
Vianna Vianna is offline
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You lose rights to the camp by camping is my understanding. Must "maintain a presence". You admit yourself you left the camp and lost the presence you 2 had there. Basically Peetee was soloing a mob until you ditched the people you got together to retake the camp. Now obviously Peetee camped back in and had FTE as you say... But if another group (you created) was clearing to the camp I think that shows more intent than someone camping out and in between spawns. You dropping your group to try to get in on the looting was just as bad as Peetee taking the mob after camping back in and seeing another group there.


This makes a tough decision for me easy to make. Thanks for the story and screenshot.
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:26 PM
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I don't understand what else did I need besides him looting the cloak then leaving? its too late to add anything else...
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:26 PM
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What class was Peetee? Was he capable of soloing it? If not, then at no point could he have camp ownership. Additionally, if you are not capable of holding the camp solo, then you also could not claim the camp by yourself. If you and Peetee could hold the camp together, your claim on the "time line" would manifest the moment both of you are at the camp and capable of duoing it. If the other group had a presence there before the two of you were ready to take it, then they would have the rights.

It seems like some drama was stirred up, so what is the exact issue you're looking to resolve by asking these questions?

The easiest way to answer these questions is to draw a time line. Whoever had sufficient force present first, AND maintained it until the mob spawned gets the kill. No FTE necessary.

Edit- Also, you switching groups will probably complicate this a lot. These types of things are normally straight forward (in theory), but dropping the group could be construed as a dick move which would open you up to getting ruled against out of a sense of equity.
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:28 PM
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was it a guild group you left to rejoin peetee? it doesnt matter at this point, but gd.

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Old 07-04-2013, 06:29 PM
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you left your group to join with him AFTER he engaged?

just because your in the same group doesn't mean you have any right, the group that tried to ks him had no right and they helped just as much as you.

If my group is at camp a and im omw to it and happen to kill a named theres no way im going to let them roll on it just because we share a chat channel...
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:30 PM
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What class was Peetee? Was he capable of soloing it? If not, then at no point could he have camp ownership. Additionally, if you are not capable of holding the camp solo, then you also could not claim the camp by yourself. If you and Peetee could hold the camp together, your claim on the "time line" would manifest the moment both of you are at the camp and capable of duoing it. If the other group had a presence there before the two of you were ready to take it, then they would have the rights.

It seems like some drama was stirred up, so what is the exact issue you're looking to resolve by asking these questions?

The easiest way to answer these questions is to draw a time line. Whoever had sufficient force present first, AND maintained it until the mob spawned gets the kill. No FTE necessary.
To answer your first question he is a 60 Shaman. He may have been able to solo it...Sufficient force to be sure would have likely been the time the rogue arrived there to help him be sure. But from what I have heard of this it happened after the group had already cleared down to the camp...Hence Peetee wouldn't have invited him back to group when he got there. He would of just soloed it if he believed he was skilled enough to do it.
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:36 PM
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He already engaged before you joined up with him, and being a 60 shaman he is capable of soloing this mob.

Why do you think you should have a chance to roll on the cloak?
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:41 PM
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He invited me back because we killed the PH together
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:43 PM
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I get it sorry i took a long break from the game so if anyone is cape able of soloing the monster they are entitled to be able to loot the item and drop group because they could have soloed it i understand now thanks for your information!
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:43 PM
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thats odd, if he didnt need help why would he invite you back just to ninja loot the cloak. Unless he was hoping it wouldnt drop and him inviting you would gave him some sense of assurance thinking that youd trust him to do it the next time etc until cloak dropped...

did he say anything or just throw you and invite after he engaged it?
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