TMO Exploiting Pathing? Any Punishment for TMO?

[username1337]

see thread: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=68664

So purposely exploiting pathing has long been a punishable offense - why was TMO allowed to get away with it? I realize Amelinda put up a bunch of NPCs to inform people where not to fight - but she isn't going to punish the guild for using that spot as an exploit to pathing?

Discuss.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by username1337 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

see thread: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=68664

So purposely exploiting pathing has long been a punishable offense - why was TMO allowed to get away with it? I realize Amelinda put up a bunch of NPCs to inform people where not to fight - but she isn't going to punish the guild for using that spot as an exploit to pathing?

Discuss.

haha, this is A+. Excellent example of failed reading comprehension.

[Amelinda]

There is a very big difference between exploiting pathing and doing things that trivialize content.

I made it public because this doesn't apply only to TMO. This applies to VD and it applies to anyone else who happens to zone in and want to kill VP dragons.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a very big difference between exploiting pathing and doing things that trivialize content.

I made it public because this doesn't apply only to TMO. This applies to VD and it applies to anyone else who happens to zone in and want to kill VP dragons.

Isn't an exploit in a game generally used to describe a bug or design oversight that developers did not anticipate, that players use to gain an unfair advantage?

Bug, mobs pathing through walls to get up there usually with no adds. Check
Design intent, trash/adds are supposed to be part of the challenge of the zone however using this location you can ignore much of the challenge they bring. Check
Using this location versus other locations on the floor takes out the possibility of roamers etc. Check

I'm curious how this is such a big difference from an exploit? Not that exploits here seem to be a big deal, they intentionally put back in Multi-Questing and Item Recharging via coding changing, and those are themselves exploiting original developer intent.

[India]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't an exploit in a game generally used to describe a bug or design oversight that developers did not anticipate, that players use to gain an unfair advantage?

Bug, mobs pathing through walls to get up there usually with no adds. Check
Design intent, trash/adds are supposed to be part of the challenge of the zone however using this location you can ignore much of the challenge they bring. Check
Using this location versus other locations on the floor takes out the possibility of roamers etc. Check

I'm curious how this is such a big difference from an exploit? Not that exploits here seem to be a big deal, they intentionally put back in Multi-Questing and Item Recharging via coding changing, and those are themselves exploiting original developer intent.

I see where you're going with this!! The MEM-BLUR exploit that has been ignored time and time and time again - CHECK

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't an exploit in a game generally used to describe a bug or design oversight that developers did not anticipate, that players use to gain an unfair advantage?

Bug, mobs pathing through walls to get up there usually with no adds. Check
Design intent, trash/adds are supposed to be part of the challenge of the zone however using this location you can ignore much of the challenge they bring. Check
Using this location versus other locations on the floor takes out the possibility of roamers etc. Check

I'm curious how this is such a big difference from an exploit? Not that exploits here seem to be a big deal, they intentionally put back in Multi-Questing and Item Recharging via coding changing, and those are themselves exploiting original developer intent.

the mobs don't come single because they path through the walls idiot.

[Autotune]

ON completely serious note.

That spot is not different than the many other locations that we use, except that we have a smaller area to hide casters for the AE than normally. (from a guild vs dragon standpoint)

All the named dragons we kill without another guild will be add free, regardless of where we set up camp. (unless we are forced by GMs to pull adds with our dragons)

So unless the

trivialize content

is in reference to Vesica Dei as being content that we trivialized, I don't see it.

Every so often when we would pull a dragon in our other spots, they would path through the walls to our camp, sometimes after a wipe they would path back through the wall.

Both have been reported within the first month of VP being open.

So, if the dragons coming single is being considered trivializing content, does this mean we can no longer use hide pulling? As that is the reason they come single and not the pathing (the excuse given).

[Daliant17447]

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problem solved

[username1337]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a very big difference between exploiting pathing and doing things that trivialize content.

I made it public because this doesn't apply only to TMO. This applies to VD and it applies to anyone else who happens to zone in and want to kill VP dragons.

Sorry what is the difference between "exploiting pathing" and doing things that "trivialize content" - the difference is definitely not apparent. Where is the line that separates the two? You can "trivialize content" by "exploiting pathing" but the reason that "exploiting pathing" is a bannable offense is because it "trivializes content"

I definitely think it would do all players a service to have a specific thread regarding the rules with an array of examples for each rule to highlight specific cases of what constitutes an infractions. Thus when players call other players out - we can all have the same reference text of the rules so we can say things like "Players violated Rule #4-A subsection c, with a minimum punishment of 1 week ban and maximum of 1 month"

[Harrison]

The trick is to cheat with as many people as possible. Pretty much makes you immune.