TMO recap

[VZ_Xanit K'ven]

For those of us who were out of the Loop

why did TMO never got a toe hold on red?

Now with all the RMT opportunity talk I got curious

When News broke they would all Transfer from blue, rumor had it they would be the hardest poopsockers Norrath had ever seen

Rule lawyering, unburn-outable, unboreable Pixel Zombies who would establish themselves over the Long run


how / why did they fail?

[Uuruk]

Staff also gave them a special one time deal to transfer off of red after it was banned.

[Videri]

In my opinion, a big part of it was the TMO leadership's choice not to listen to input from Red veterans. They played in a sort of passive way, letting members chain-die, not really preparing for PvP or trying to learn about it.

People often refer to a Teamspeak conversation in which Darkdeath refused to carry pumice, claiming he would simply cast Cancel Magic or Nullify Magic. And they wouldn't try to keep their raids low-profile, gather up in secret, move as a single unit. This kind of willful ignorance and refusal to learn how to PvP is ultimately what destroyed TMO Red. I believe if they had taken advice from the vets they had tagged, like Rag and Tune, they might have lasted.

The other thing was getting repeatedly wiped by <Friends> and <Empire>. (Full disclosure, I helped kill them.)

[georgie]

Outside of all the officers rmting their red items, not really sure

[heartbrand]

TMO suffered for the same reason tempest and every other guild that has failed suffers. Failure to get over petty box grudges. TMO tried to have an elitist officer core from blue without being inclusive of red players and ended up finding out the hard way that you can't be an elitist on a 90 pop box. Empire and Nihilum were successful because they tagged everyone with a pulse aka zerg, and had strong active leadership. TMO had neither.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO suffered for the same reason tempest and every other guild that has failed suffers. Failure to get over petty box grudges. TMO tried to have an elitist officer core from blue without being inclusive of red players and ended up finding out the hard way that you can't be an elitist on a 90 pop box. Empire and Nihilum were successful because they tagged everyone with a pulse aka zerg, and had strong active leadership. TMO had neither.

Good post

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my opinion, a big part of it was the TMO leadership's choice not to listen to input from Red veterans. They played in a sort of passive way, letting members chain-die, not really preparing for PvP or trying to learn about it.

People often refer to a Teamspeak conversation in which Darkdeath refused to carry pumice, claiming he would simply cast Cancel Magic or Nullify Magic. And they wouldn't try to keep their raids low-profile, gather up in secret, move as a single unit. This kind of willful ignorance and refusal to learn how to PvP is ultimately what destroyed TMO Red. I believe if they had taken advice from the vets they had tagged, like Rag and Tune, they might have lasted.

The other thing was getting repeatedly wiped by <Friends> and <Empire>. (Full disclosure, I helped kill them.)

TMO failed because they took you guys in. There's really no other reason.

[Xaanka]

edit: trash guild that was just a read for the peepz in the know

[VZ_Xanit K'ven]

did Tiggles quit altogether or just to return to blue?

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by VZ_Xanit K'ven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

did Tiggles quit altogether or just to return to blue?

He quit.