Forceful Entry wipes pathetically to CT on a Free anc Clear Engage with 45 people

[Autotune]

I've pulled Sev more than 5 times on this server, more than anyone not in TMO/FE. And I've probably been one of the lowest level bards to make the pull considering I just got 60 in the last month. I have never brought more than 1 add to the raid while pulling Sev STRAIGHT South from the stairs to the plateau. I guarantee TMO pathed by more mobs kiting Southeast around COM and then Southwest back to TT than they would have if they had pulled straight South to TT.

Getting lost in EJ is easier than getting lost in TD.

and that's all there is to that.

[maverixdamighty]

Getting lost in EJ is easier than getting lost in TD.

and that's all there is to that.

how do you get lost with sense heading? That was your guilds argument earlier.

[Autotune]

On another note, if you want to "follow a zone wall" to avoid adds, you pull him along the bottom side of the plateau (western lower-half zone edge) until you hit the south wall, then run east until you hit TT zone-line. There is ZERO reason to cross the roads that bisect the zone. They are obvious, unlike the vast expanse of TD.

Actually, the way I pulled sev for TMO is to go south-south-west hit the road and go south to TT zoneline.

However, back then guilds would steal kite stalling pulls so there was a reason to keep the dragon in a straight line to the raid.

[Autotune]

how do you get lost with sense heading? That was your guilds argument earlier.

wtf is sense heading? L2Compass.

[Rhambuk]

wtf is sense heading? L2Compass.

Wasn't compass removed? Hax HAAAACCCCKKKKKSSS!@!!

[Tanthallas]

rofl, you gotta be kidding me... GMs laughed at this right?

Alarti has big money on this...I hope not!

[falkun]

Getting lost in EJ is easier than getting lost in TD.

and that's all there is to that.

How so? I argue that EJ's ruins and plateau and the roads that bisect the zone are much more recognizable and the zone is much smaller than TD, making it far more difficult to get lost in EJ than in TD. Your argument is "its easier because I say so". Both zones have equal access to sense heading, so that is a moot point.

[maverixdamighty]

How so? I argue that EJ's ruins and plateau and the roads that bisect the zone are much more recognizable and the zone is much smaller than TD, making it far more difficult to get lost in EJ than in TD. Your argument is "its easier because I say so". Both zones have equal access to sense heading, so that is a moot point.

it was a new player who didn't know you had to train sense heading...

[Autotune]

Wasn't compass removed? Hax HAAAACCCCKKKKKSSS!@!!

I wouldn't know, I just run in the direction that I tell myself to run because I am the highest power.

[Autotune]

How so? I argue that EJ's ruins and plateau and the roads that bisect the zone are much more recognizable and the zone is much smaller than TD, making it far more difficult to get lost in EJ than in TD. Your argument is "its easier because I say so". Both zones have equal access to sense heading, so that is a moot point.

no it's not. EJ is obviously easier to get lost in because of all the trees and hills and random roads and shit.

[maverixdamighty]

no it's not. EJ is obviously easier to get lost in because of all the trees and hills and random roads and shit.

and the ocean ripples are better landmarks?

[Autotune]

and the ocean ripples are better landmarks?

well you can see the sun and determine which way to run in TD.

[Hurley]

no it's not. EJ is obviously easier to get lost in because of all the trees and hills and random roads and shit.

"I want to make sure we err on the side of leniency in cases like this one. We will certainly show the same leniency toward you or any other guild" - Sirken regarding TMO kite of Sev.

[Rhambuk]

well you can see the sun and determine which way to run in TD.

WOW I havent heard any use the sun refference in Years!

Way back when people leveled up sense heading and would get lost in WK theyd shout they were lost and no SH, look at the sun!

[Hurley]

well you can see the sun and determine which way to run in TD.

"I want to make sure we err on the side of leniency in cases like this one. We will certainly show the same leniency toward you or any other guild" - Sirken regarding TMO kite of Sev.

[Autotune]

"I want to make sure we err on the side of leniency in cases like this one. We will certainly show the same leniency toward you or any other guild" - Sirken regarding TMO kite of Sev.

Could you stop posting the same thing, I'd hate to have to physically ignore you.

[falkun]

well you can see the sun and determine which way to run in TD.

So the Sun, which moves across the sky so you have to think about /time is an easier landmark than a plateau or static roads on the ground? That's a negative, Ghostrider. The pattern is full.

[falkun]

random roads

If you think the roads are random, you're a noob. If you see a road, you're doing it wrong. Any road, the one you'll likely hit first runs north-south, so turning right and following the road will probably send you in the correct direction, at least until your next Sense Heading pops up.

[Hurley]

Please ignore me physically. I have to explain simple things to you because of your low reading comprehension.

It makes me want to pay more in taxes in hopes that maybe some of my money will go to public schools.

[Autotune]

So the Sun, which moves across the sky so you have to think about /time is an easier landmark than a plateau or static roads on the ground? That's a negative, Ghostrider. The pattern is full.

Really?

1 sun.

vs

Countless trees, hills, ruins, roads (partial roads), etc.

You are wrong on this and you know it.

[Autotune]

If you think the roads are random, you're a noob. If you see a road, you're doing it wrong. Any road, the one you'll likely hit first runs north-south, so turning right and following the road will probably send you in the correct direction, at least until your next Sense Heading pops up.

Unless the first road you see is the one that runs to the east and you think it's the one that goes south.

[Tanthallas]

physically.

[falkun]

You are wrong on this and you know it.

You are trolling and you know it. Roads > Sun. Sense Heading > all. Click your sense heading button, run South (Sev) or North (Fay) and you won't be so BLATANTLY kiting.

[Autotune]

Please ignore me physically. I have to explain simple things to you because of your low reading comprehension.

It makes me want to pay more in taxes in hopes that maybe some of my money will go to public schools.

You post about TMO getting leniency and then cry about not getting leniency.

Your guild doesn't deserve leniency, if you could understand that the first time I told you we wouldn't be in this mess.


Stop being a whiny cunt of a 4yr old.

[Autotune]

You are trolling and you know it. Roads > Sun. Sense Heading > all. Click your sense heading button, run South (Sev) or North (Fay) and you won't be so BLATANTLY kiting.

unless you don't have sense heading.

Stop being dumb.

[Tanthallas]

unless you don't have sense heading.

I feel like we are going in a circle, because using sense heading was the precise argument made against the bard from FE in this recent Fay pull....

[maverixdamighty]

unless you don't have sense heading.

Stop being dumb.

if you don't have sense heading maybe you shouldn't be pulling?

[Autotune]

if you don't have sense heading maybe you shouldn't be pulling?

I pull just fine without it, but I'm not an idiot.

[Hurley]

I am done arguing with someone that doesn't even know the definition of the words being used.

[Autotune]

I feel like we are going in a circle, because using sense heading was the precise argument made against the bard from FE in this recent Fay pull....

but we know he has sense heading and, if he didn't, he has the sun.

[Autotune]

Really, you guys are just being purposely stupid or maybe you really were born like this... idk... I'm starting to feel sad for the reject guild and the few normal people in that guild that try to lead you derpers to the pixel river.

[Alarti0001]

FTFY. In honor of Zagum's fine efforts, I present Supremecy displaying TMO pulling Sev around CoM. Here are the /loc points I read off the youtube (pardon the 360p quality, and I can't figure out the last two). I end the graphic with Sev clearly pathing passed the ruins.

1800, -1800
1224, -2341
587, -2400
-75, -2545
-800, -2850
-1590, -5600???
-1912, -5071???

http://i.imgur.com/3yWI9ei.jpg

Now, TMO states they only recruit "the best of the best", those who are L60 with full resist gear and full progress on their VP keys. So, we can conclude the puller of Sev knows his way around EJ, so therefore the puller purposely kited a raid mob that spawns in the Northwest corner of the zone around a recognizable landmark on the Eastern edge of the zone before pulling him back Southwest towards (what I assume is) TMO's raidforce.

So what is it TMO, do you in fact recruit noobies? Or are you kiting a raid mob? That path is worse than Fay, there's a lot more open water in TD than there is open forest in EJ.

There are no obstables to run around in TD. No walls to use as reference. Just /loc or sense heading. The pulls are not comparable. Many times in the past IB/VD/TMO etc have used walls as reference to pull SEV... and they always held up.

[maverixdamighty]

There are no obstables to run around in TD. No walls to use as reference. Just /loc or sense heading. The pulls are not comparable. Many times in the past IB/VD/TMO etc have used walls as reference to pull SEV... and they always held up.

so using an island as a reference point is different? got it, thanks.

[Alarti0001]

so using an island as a reference point is different? got it, thanks.

Do i really have to link the map again? LOL

[falkun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD90aUmv8Is
FTFY. In honor of Zagum's fine efforts, I present Supremecy displaying TMO pulling Sev around CoM. Here are the /loc points I read off the youtube (pardon the 360p quality, and I can't figure out the last two). I end the graphic with Sev clearly pathing passed the ruins.

1800, -1800
1224, -2341
587, -2400
-75, -2545
-800, -2850
-1590, -5600???
-1912, -5071???

http://i.imgur.com/3yWI9ei.jpg

Now, TMO states they only recruit "the best of the best", those who are L60 with full resist gear and full progress on their VP keys. So, we can conclude the puller of Sev knows his way around EJ, so therefore the puller purposely kited a raid mob that spawns in the Northwest corner of the zone around a recognizable landmark on the Eastern edge of the zone before pulling him back Southwest towards (what I assume is) TMO's raidforce.

So what is it TMO, do you in fact recruit noobies? Or are you kiting a raid mob? That path is worse than Fay, there's a lot more open water in TD than there is open forest in EJ.

Blatant kiting from the "premier P99 raiding guild". Explanations given:
don't have sense heading.
There are no obstables to run around in TD. No walls to use as reference. Just /loc or sense heading. The pulls are not comparable. Many times in the past IB/VD/TMO etc have used walls as reference to pull SEV... and they always held up.

I think TMO needs to listen to its own members:
Stop being dumb.
You should add "max sense heading" skill to your list of requirements: "Level 60 in-game, FULL VP MEDALLIONS COMPLETED with MANDATORY FULL MR/PR gear (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91271)". I'll let TMO in on a little secret, I have sense heading maxed by L15 on all my characters, I wonder which of the (now 4) requirements will take the longest for your members/applicants to complete.

And if you need a wall to follow when pulling Sev, use the plateau edge to pull him along, you have to drop off the wall when pulling Sev South to TT, you can't miss it, and its more straight than taking the mob to CoM.

[Autotune]

you have the god damn sun in TD... how do you get lost?

[Tanthallas]

but we know he has sense heading and, if he didn't, he has the sun.

This applies equally to the sev pull...

This is also the stupidest fucking thing I have read in a while.

[Autotune]

I mean, if you could use the moss on rocks/trees in EJ to determine direction... you guys could argue that, but you can't.

EJ easier to get lost in than TD, plain and simple.

[Autotune]

This applies equally to the sev pull...

This is also the stupidest fucking thing I have read in a while.

you can't see the forest through the trees, just like you can't see the fucking sun through the trees and mist and shit.

[Funkutron5000]

you can't see the forest through the trees, just like you can't see the fucking sun through the trees and mist and shit.

I'll give you this one. This is a pro-post.

[Rhambuk]

you can't see the forest through the trees, just like you can't see the fucking sun through the trees and mist and shit.

[Tanthallas]

There are many many more landmarks in EJ to use...shit you can follow the wall after getting some distance if you are that stupid.

Sending a puller to pull a raid mob that does not know how to get back is as stupid, if not more stupid, than running 30 seconds out of the way in TD.

[Hurley]

So the difference between one guild being OK and the other in violation is the sun.


Got it thanks.

[radditsu]

http://i.imgur.com/5djqMqP.jpg

For future reference refer to the above picture.

[Alarti0001]

"I want to make sure we err on the side of leniency in cases like this one. We will certainly show the same leniency toward you or any other guild" - Sirken regarding TMO kite of Sev.

Posting private GM decisions is a bannable offense.

[Relapse2]

So the difference between one guild being OK and the other in violation is the sun.


Got it thanks.

lol TmO excuses just hit epic status

[radditsu]

for fucks sake there's even a road.

[Autotune]

http://i.imgur.com/5djqMqP.jpg

For future reference refer to the above picture.

Your guild just said it was acceptable to find a wall before bringing sev to camp as a reference to your location.

shit you can follow the wall

[falkun]

Your guild just said it was acceptable to find a wall before bringing sev to camp as a reference to your location.

Plateau wall, the same one I'm talking about. Keep it on your right shoulder and you can't go wrong. Take that back to your TMO super secret pull strat.

[Hurley]

Posting private GM decisions is a bannable offense.

It wasn't private.

And I don't play in this cesspool anymore. I play with my boy Nilbog on emerald dream.

[radditsu]

http://i.imgur.com/lQ9wO8g.jpg

Revised then

[Relapse2]

follow the wall on the opposite side of the zone/ where guilds set up for Sev?

[Rhambuk]

I play with my boy Nilbog on emerald dream.

awww nilbog really? =(((

[radditsu]

Point is going around the entire zone in the opposite manner of most expediency is silly.
My dumbass gets lost in burning woods all the time but EJ aint no thang.

[Autotune]

follow the wall on the opposite side of the zone/ where guilds set up for Sev?

It's so IB doesn't steal the pull obviously... dirty pull stealers.

[Autotune]

Point is going around the entire zone in the opposite manner of most expediency is silly.
My dumbass gets lost in burning woods all the time but EJ aint no thang.

do you get lost in... TD?

[radditsu]

do you get lost in... TD?


I've ran to the pots enough times / pulled fay back in the day to know it pretty well.

Burning woods man, its all about the burning woods.

[Autotune]

I've ran to the pots enough times / pulled fay back in the day to know it pretty well.

Burning woods man, its all about the burning woods.

Honestly, I don't get lost in any zone but one... and that's fucking skyfire.

Everywhere else it's... JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL!!!!!!!!!!

[Rhambuk]

oh my god fuck skyfire so hard

[falkun]

So, TMO got loot for Sev and FE got loot for Fay. FE puller suspended, no suspension for TMO puller. Am I understanding this correctly? Sounds like there's some punishment discrepancy here. O, and TMO had two people pulling, the one running around Supremacy/Sev (Fountree) and the one with actual aggro.

So is Fountree one of your pullers who doesn't know how to use /loc nor Sense Heading? Either way, he should take a two week time-out to figure out how to max his sense heading skill.

[radditsu]

Honestly, I don't get lost in any zone but one... and that's fucking skyfire.

Everywhere else it's... JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL!!!!!!!!!!

Skyfire aint that bad once you figure out how to use the lava paths as roads. Basically its basically a center hub like they have in europe with roads at every prime cardinal direction. Of course this all depends on your ability to levitate or whatever.

[Rhambuk]

Fountree may have just been doing a fraps if he had no agro, to record what tmo did to prove to gm's.

or to learn the strat..

[radditsu]

Fountree may have just been doing a fraps if he had no agro, to record what tmo did to prove to gm's.

or to learn the strat..

Pick up a pull if someone got charmed.

[falkun]

Fountree may have just been doing a fraps if he had no agro, to record what tmo did to prove to gm's.

or to learn the strat..

Fountree is a veteran puller for TMO. I've pulled against him as far back as VD last year. Your "devil's advocate" stance is becoming more annoying.

[Autotune]

Skyfire aint that bad once you figure out how to use the lava paths as roads. Basically its basically a center hub like they have in europe with roads at every prime cardinal direction. Of course this all depends on your ability to levitate or whatever.

I never got here but to get to VP and to get to VP I just run in and levant right next to it.

If there is a dragon in there tho, I can find it and get it to a raid. If I'm just trying to run to a zoneline... well I'm going to have a bad time.

[Rhambuk]

Pick up a pull if someone got charmed.

there ya go, whats it matter if they had 1 or 8 people doing the pull?

[Rhambuk]

Fountree is a veteran puller for TMO. I've pulled against him as far back as VD last year. Your "devil's advocate" stance is becoming more annoying.

I'm on neither side, if im annoying you by finding flaws then feel free to ignore me.

[Autotune]

Pick up a pull if someone got charmed.

Well it's kinda like that.

We used to have 2 people for pulling all the time (at a minimum)

1 to pull
and
1 to watch the pull (for shadyness)

[falkun]

there ya go, whats it matter if they had 1 or 8 people doing the pull?

One of the eight people should be smart enough to realize "derp we're pulling in the wrong direction derp". Sense heading: south is hard bro.

[Tanthallas]

for fucks sake there's even a road.

lol

[Rhambuk]

One of the eight people should be smart enough to realize "derp we're pulling in the wrong direction derp". Sense heading: south is hard bro.

Very true, i cant remember was a reason posted as to the awkward path besides, lost or new pullers?

[falkun]

I'm on neither side, if im annoying you by finding flaws then feel free to ignore me.

You haven't found a flaw. You pointed out something I left unstated because its common knowledge to the rest of us.

[bizzum]

Hey! I never said it never happened on our end Falkun. I just find it sad that after being a part of the action, or probably at least hearing about it, Dragonfists still thought I was lying. Shinko tried to even blame it on that invisible box in the middle of TD, but you would complete miss it if you went the right way!

That Sev fraps is lolz too, nice job!

[falkun]

I agree you should never hit the invisible box in either zone (Kunark box in TD nor the CoM box in EJ).

[Yibz]

Deajay - I'm not sure why you're getting yourself so emotionally involved in a situation you had no part in but if it helps I can confirm it was a fresh TMO bard pulling that Sev who got lost. I remember people blowing up in vent when it happened and Zeelot thinking we would lose the mob because of the mistake. This is not an identical situation to what happened in TD. Shoot me a tell if you'd like to discuss the situation further.

[tradereq]

So is Fountree one of your pullers who doesn't know how to use /loc nor Sense Heading? Either way, he should take a two week time-out to figure out how to max his sense heading skill.
Wouldn't surprise me. Fountree is one of the biggest dipshits this server has ever seen.

PS: Diablo 2 is a MMORPG.

[falkun]

Epics can't buy skill. Thanks for reinforcing this Yibz. Also proves that L60 wasn't worth delaying all the other things I've done on P99.

[Tanthallas]

How the hell do you know it is not identical?

Do you know who was playing my bard?

Sure wasnt me...I was on Kira.

[Yibz]

Epics can't buy skill. Thanks for reinforcing this Yibz. Also proves that L60 wasn't worth delaying all the other things I've done on P99.

I wasn't the bard in question but thanks for the personal attack when I'm trying to help you out here.

[maverixdamighty]

I wasn't the bard in question but thanks for the personal attack when I'm trying to help you out here.

how are you helping him out? presenting more excuses why it's ok for tmo to do something but when another guild does it it is breaking the rules?

[falkun]

I wasn't the bard in question but thanks for the personal attack when I'm trying to help you out here.

I didn't say you don't have skill. You earned your BotB title. That wasn't a personal attack (against you). But is that baby bard really going to have to put in the work you, Fauss, or I have put into the raid scene? Maybe with FE knocking on your door, but TMO's guild bank is so stocked I doubt he'll have much farming to do. You will hand him gear on a silver platter, and he'll slobber it up while pulling Sev's around CoM all day. TMO's standards have fallen, by your own admission.

The rest of it was a reaffirmation of my beliefs that TMO and other members of the server have been trying to belittle me because I wasn't 60 for the longest time. Now a case like this arises and my skill set is infinitely more important than whether I'm L60 or not. Of course I'm going to rub it in everyone's face, they've been rubbing the non-60 fact in my face for almost 2 years.

[Yibz]

I posted to provide information and understanding to someone I consider a friend of mine on this server.

[falkun]

I'll agree bards have a bond, and I'm happy for every bard that gets epic on this server (even those "handed" epics by my standard). But you are turning a macroscopic pulling issue into one about an individual. If that player doesn't know how to pull, you need to teach him how to pull before he gets your raid force in trouble.

[bizzum]

TMO's guild bank is so stocked I doubt he'll have much farming to do. You will hand him gear on a silver platter, and he'll slobber it up while pulling Sev's around CoM all day.

Completely untrue, but I wouldn't expect you to know. It would take the average new member months before they would qualify to ask for something out of a reserve they didn't help make yet. Ironically enough, I GUESS WE LEARNED THAT FROM FISCHEMMEL. Give me the 3/4 of my bards epic I MQd to you!!!! :p

[Rhambuk]

If that player doesn't know how to pull, you need to teach him how to pull before he gets your raid force in trouble.

now this i can get behind, if your willing to use a new puller I believe your risking the mob if he does it incorrectly. its not an excuse, if you really wanted the mob you would have used a more experience puller in a competition setting, if there were no other force then yeah teach him all day.

But you cant expect another raid to wait around because hes learning.

did I flip flop or take a side? damn...

[falkun]

That Fisch story was totally awesome as an outsider. His character is even in FE now, that's gotta sting a bit. But ya, I can see how that would temper dealings with new members.

[Rhambuk]

That Fisch story was totally awesome as an outsider. His character is even in FE now, that's gotta sting a bit. But ya, I can see how that would temper dealings with new members.

no matter how many extras are in the bank it would just be retarded to give it to a brand new member. just my opinion

[falkun]

no matter how many extras are in the bank it would just be retarded to give it to a brand new member. just my opinion

I know its contested, but its also BiS. Its a balance of what is needed more, a BiS bard now, or the possibility of losing a mob due to not having the gear. Personally, I wouldn't give the gear, and Zagum says TMO doesn't either (which I can believe, especially after the Fisch ordeal). But there is a tipping point on that scale, and its going to come with increased competition and burn-out.

[Autotune]

That Fisch story was totally awesome as an outsider. His character is even in FE now, that's gotta sting a bit. But ya, I can see how that would temper dealings with new members.

It may sting a bit, but about half of VD is in TMO now sooooo.... want some ointment?

[Yibz]

I'm not commenting on the GM decision or how someone did or did not earn their epic (however i think that if you're making the effort to try pull dragons against competition, you're earning everything you get). I'm simply saying this particular Sev pull was absolutely an honest mistake but it's your right to believe whatever you want.

[maverixdamighty]

I'm not commenting on the GM decision or how someone did or did not earn their epic (however i think that if you're making the effort to try pull dragons against competition, you're earning everything you get). I'm simply saying this particular Sev pull was absolutely an honest mistake but it's your right to believe whatever you want.

and corova agroing trak and wiping our raid that was in a far better position than your raid was a rookie mistake on his part. no double standards though?

[falkun]

It may sting a bit, but about half of VD is in TMO now sooooo.... want some ointment?

The only sting is that they don't stand up when Alarti spouts off about VD being scrub. If VD was so bad, why are half of them in TMO? Just another example of Alarti hypocrisy. I'm surprised I haven't added him to ignore yet.

Basically what mav here is saying: double standard much?

[Yibz]

and corova agroing trak and wiping our raid that was in a far better position than your raid was a rookie mistake on his part. no double standards though?

Once again, I'm not saying that the GM decision was right or wrong. Just trying to let Deajay know what actually happened.

[maverixdamighty]

Once again, I'm not saying that the GM decision was right or wrong. Just trying to let Deajay know what actually happened.

gotcha. understood.

[Funkutron5000]

and corova agroing trak and wiping our raid that was in a far better position than your raid was a rookie mistake on his part. no double standards though?

You just had to bring that up, didn't you? I still feel like a gigantic boner for wanging that pull so bad.

[Tanthallas]

You just had to bring that up, didn't you? I still feel like a gigantic boner for wanging that pull so bad.

I mean, you are a paladin

[Autotune]

The only sting is that they don't stand up when Alarti spouts off about VD being scrub. If VD was so bad, why are half of them in TMO? Just another example of Alarti hypocrisy. I'm surprised I haven't added him to ignore yet.

Basically what mav here is saying: double standard much?

I was talking about their characters, unless you guys invited the real fish to your guild... that would be hilarious and not sting at all.

[Funkutron5000]

I mean, you are a paladin

Ask me to do anything other than eat a DT and it's going to go horribly wrong.

[maverixdamighty]

Ask me to do anything other than eat a DT and it's going to go horribly wrong.

it looked like tola dt'd you...

[falkun]

I was talking about their characters, unless you guys invited the real fish to your guild... that would be hilarious and not sting at all.

Not in FE, but I don't think that's the real fischemmel. I know most are purchased (which is a whole nother RNF argument about RMT since Alarti claims VD RMT'd off the server and the characters ended up tagged <TMO>...), but there are a few like Hookrs and Tombola and Acillatum (why are so many wizards coming to my recollection?) who are to my knowledge the real/original players.

[falkun]

Fastest ignore ever.

[Autotune]

Not in FE, but I don't think that's the real fischemmel. I know most are purchased (which is a whole nother RNF argument about RMT since Alarti claims VD RMT'd off the server and the characters ended up tagged <TMO>...), but there are a few like Hookrs and Tombola and Acillatum (why are so many wizards coming to my recollection?) who are to my knowledge the real/original players.

ah, well there ya go.

You should talk to your previous guild members.

I find it funny that so many people can split off from a single guild and get tagged with another guild tag and then just close up their minds with how the others now think.

That's just me tho, I don't have that super sheeple mentality.

[Alarti0001]

The only sting is that they don't stand up when Alarti spouts off about VD being scrub. If VD was so bad, why are half of them in TMO? Just another example of Alarti hypocrisy. I'm surprised I haven't added him to ignore yet.

Basically what mav here is saying: double standard much?

VD the guild was bad... had a few good players tho!

[falkun]

VD the guild was bad... had a few good players tho!

Thanks to Stealin & Yibz here, I've had a revelation regarding you. Enjoy your opinion.

[49shadesofgay]

LMAO.

Tmo calls VD garbage.
Tmo claims VD RMT'd off the server.
Tmo rubs in face that half of VD joined Tmo.
Tmo claims they don't harbor RMTers.

What's next.. TMO claims the VD that joined TMO just so happened to be the good VDers?

What I gather from this:
Joining TMO makes you good
Not joining TMO makes you a RMTer/garbage
or closer to the trut, and my favorite..

TMO spins shit to make themselves look better regarding all logic.

I know which pony I'm placing my money on.

[49shadesofgay]

TMO spins shit to make themselves look better disregarding all logic*

Typo fix, before Alarti spins this too.

[falkun]

Uth (or whomever is using your account now), thanks for reading between the lines of the last year of TMO posts.

[49shadesofgay]

It's just so rarely it happens all within 3-4 pages of the same thread. When such an opportunity presents itself it's worth noting.

Give these sperlorgs enough rope and they'll hang themselves. They used to be good at this forumquest thing. Tiggles should be ashamed of what has become of his compatriots.

[Autotune]

LMAO.

Tmo calls VD garbage.
Tmo claims most of VD RMT'd off the server.
Tmo rubs in face that a few of VD joined Tmo. ( I was actually talking about the characters being bought with plat, but you're so quick to try to jump on something you don't read it all the way)
Tmo claims they don't harbor RMTers.

What's next.. TMO claims the VD that joined TMO just so happened to be the good VDers?

What I gather from this:
Joining TMO makes you good
Not joining TMO makes you a RMTer/garbage
or closer to the trut, and my favorite..

TMO spins shit to make themselves look better regarding all logic.

I know which pony I'm placing my money on.

If that's what you gather... I mean, even retards come to their own conclusions every once in a blue moon.

[Autotune]

It's just so rarely it happens all within 3-4 pages of the same thread. When such an opportunity presents itself it's worth noting.

Give these sperlorgs enough rope and they'll hang themselves. They used to be good at this forumquest thing. Tiggles should be ashamed of what has become of his compatriots.

Like I said, too premature.

[49shadesofgay]

Tell us what you know of being premature.

[Autotune]

And pretty much 1 of like 2.5 active bards at the point, too.


I should have joined TMO with a cleric though.

$$$

Lol @ Xeli reference?

[falkun]

Stealin, you went from "half of VD" to "a few". I'm not saying Uth is correct, but your attempt to downplay isn't helping your argument.

[49shadesofgay]

Stealin, you went from "half of VD" to "a few". I'm not saying Uth is correct, but your attempt to downplay isn't helping your argument.

It's all in the language. You're learning quick! :)

[Autotune]

Tell us what you know of being premature.

Well, you see. Young guys like you, often are quick to put their dick in something and blowing their loads before the fully understand what they are getting themselves into.

I'm sure after a few more encounters like this, you'll become more matured and actually be able to last longer than a few pokes before it's apparent to everyone else you're just an inexperienced teenager.

[49shadesofgay]

Anyone remember when TMO was raid suspended for a week, and Xeli joined TR to be some sort of super-spy shit and the day TMO was un-suspended Xeli rejoined TMO?

LOL I mean seriously.. come the fuck on haha

[Autotune]

Stealin, you went from "half of VD" to "a few". I'm not saying Uth is correct, but your attempt to downplay isn't helping your argument.

I said half when i was talking about them buying the characters.


here, because you guys are being retarded.


Most of VD RMT'd off.

Half of VD was bought by TMO with plat (so most of VD could RMT off)

A few VD joined TMO, as you pointed out.

When I made the comment about Fish and relating it to TMO, it was under the assumption that Fish was bought for plat because he RMT'd off.

Too many of you are premature teenagers today with RnF.

[49shadesofgay]

Most of VD RMT'd off.

Half of VD was bought by TMO with plat (so most of VD could RMT off)

A few VD joined TMO

VDRMT >= 50%
VDTMOBought = 50%
VDTMOjoing <=1 10%

I for one am glad that TMO was able to buy half of VD while most of them RMT'd.

Go back to community college.. holy shit.

[Autotune]

VDRMT >= 50%
VDTMOBought = 50%
VDTMOjoing <=1 10%

I for one am glad that TMO was able to buy half of VD while most of them RMT'd.

Go back to community college.. holy shit.

premature again. So dumb.

[maverixdamighty]

premature again. So dumb.

statistically what he said is correct.

if over 50% of vd rmt'd, about half was bought for pp (non-RMT) and 10% joined TMO legit how do those #'s add up?

[Autotune]

statistically what he said is correct.

if over 50% of vd rmt'd, about half was bought for pp (non-RMT) and 10% joined TMO legit how do those #'s add up?

so dumb to.

Perhaps you should learn how RMTing worked/s on p99 before commenting? IDK, would be a start.

[Shinko]

Is auto tune the master rmt?

[maverixdamighty]

so dumb to.

Perhaps you should learn how RMTing worked/s on p99 before commenting? IDK, would be a start.

You give money and you get plat/items/chars? Far our concept...

[Autotune]

I said half when i was talking about them buying the characters.


here, because you guys are being retarded.


Most of VD RMT'd off.

Half of VD was bought by TMO with plat (so most of VD could RMT off)

A few VD joined TMO, as you pointed out.

When I made the comment about Fish and relating it to TMO, it was under the assumption that Fish was bought for plat because he RMT'd off.

Too many of you are premature teenagers today with RnF.

Some people too dumb.

[maverixdamighty]

Some people too dumb.

so because you can't convey your sentiment in a better way other people are dumb? Got it.

Here is what he was trying to say:

Most VD RMT'd, some of which was accomplished by first selling their characters to TMO for plat and then RMT'ing the plat.

A few others joined TMO legitimately.

[Autotune]

so because you can't convey your sentiment in a better way other people are dumb? Got it.

Here is what he was trying to say:

Most VD RMT'd, some of which was accomplished by first selling their characters to TMO for plat and then RMT'ing the plat.

A few others joined TMO legitimately.

It was obvious to anyone not completely dumb.

[jkfranklin]

Some people too dumb.

prove it.

[maverixdamighty]

It was obvious to anyone not completely dumb.

u dum and mad to(using your grammar to keep it understandable)

[Lorraine]

In other news...

I mean, you are a paladin

Ask me to do anything other than eat a DT and it's going to go horribly wrong.

Corova, never give up. Never give in.

1 Lorraine (283971)[1507] Vesica Dei 59 Paladin 13:42:05 0 13:43:12 67
2 Zeelot (122568)[1517] The Mystical Order 60 Shadow Knight 13:42:05 0 13:43:13 68

[falkun]

Lorr, can you explain the DB reference between you and Zeelot?

[Autotune]

u dum and mad to(using your grammar to keep it understandable)

and yet, you're the one that needs everything explained to you line by line.

[maverixdamighty]

and yet, you're the one that needs everything explained to you line by line.

u dum and mad to bro

[Lorraine]

Lorr, can you explain the DB reference between you and Zeelot?

Er...
Hmm..
Ehhh...

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Alphabetical Order, of course! :D

[falkun]

Alarti still owes Mav a green scale.

[49shadesofgay]

so because you can't convey your sentiment in a better way other people are dumb? Got it.

Here is what he was trying to say:

Most VD RMT'd, some of which was accomplished by first selling their characters to TMO for plat and then RMT'ing the plat.

A few others joined TMO legitimately.

That's some Alarti-level frothing by Stealin right there

I understand now, thank you for the clarification

[maverixdamighty]

Alarti still owes Mav a green scale.

not according to him. says now they are getting loot from trak. i guess he has moved on from getting loot from fay. apparently we trained them repeatedly from trak and because of that they are getting loot even though we had a clean engage and kill from 100 to 0%. Makes alot of sense...

[Autotune]

That's some Alarti-level frothing by Stealin right there

I understand now, thank you for the clarification

It's funny you use me to troll the idiots in this thread and they don't even realize it.

[falkun]

Aww, that sucks that FE is losing Trak to a TMO petition. Been there, though. Don't let the losses get ya down. You get a clean slate every 3+/-1days or 7+/-2days!

[Autotune]

not according to him. says now they are getting loot from trak. i guess he has moved on from getting loot from fay. apparently we trained them repeatedly from trak and because of that they are getting loot even though we had a clean engage and kill from 100 to 0%. Makes alot of sense...

don't train unless it's in vp?

[maverixdamighty]

Aww, that sucks that FE is losing Trak to a TMO petition. Been there, though. Don't let the losses get ya down. You get a clean slate every 3+/-1days or 7+/-2days!

this is hearsay from alarti. he seems to be a very trustworthy fella.

[Godefroi]

Lol Alarti pretending TMO is getting trak loot, pathetic lies have a whole lot new meaning hahaha

[maverixdamighty]

don't train unless it's in vp?

difference between intentional/unintentional train. the train we had against trak derailed us far more than tmo. you guys were just caught again with your pants down.

[Alarti0001]

not according to him. says now they are getting loot from trak. i guess he has moved on from getting loot from fay. apparently we trained them repeatedly from trak and because of that they are getting loot even though we had a clean engage and kill from 100 to 0%. Makes alot of sense...

Jesus told me we are getting loots. Take it up with him!
By bet stands... get your 100k ready!

[Alarti0001]

difference between intentional/unintentional train. the train we had against trak derailed us far more than tmo. you guys were just caught again with your pants down.

Simple facts:

FE's actions prevented a TMO engage. Nothing else needs to be said lol.

[Godefroi]

Alarti is still spinning it, I wonder what we're going to buy with those 100k

[Tanthallas]

Aww, that sucks that FE is losing Trak to a TMO petition. Been there, though. Don't let the losses get ya down. You get a clean slate every 3+/-1days or 7+/-2days!

You have become better at deflecting Alarti's bullshit (2).

[Alarti0001]

You have become better at deflecting Alarti's bullshit (2).

I bet merkk ducktaped his run key down. Thats why he trained.

[Tecmos Deception]

difference between intentional/unintentional train. the train we had against trak derailed us far more than tmo. you guys were just caught again with your pants down.

"Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location.

. . .

Intentional or not, this is against the rules."

Reading is fun!

[maverixdamighty]

"Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location.

. . .

Intentional or not, this is against the rules."

Reading is fun!

where is our ct loot then? atleast we attempted the mob despite the trains.

[Alarti0001]

where is our ct loot then? atleast we attempted the mob despite the trains.

Ask Brut.... it was his FTE sniping attempts that got you trained :)

[maverixdamighty]

Ask Brut.... it was his FTE sniping attempts that got you trained :)

yes agro transfer on dt equals train. gotcha.

[Alarti0001]

yes agro transfer on dt equals train. gotcha.

No FTE sniper without a guild behind him causes guild to abort kill = train. You derp hard.

[maverixdamighty]

No FTE sniper without a guild behind him causes guild to abort kill = train. You derp hard.

equals your trainer suspended apparently. cheaters.

[Frieza_Prexus]

yes agro transfer on dt equals train. gotcha.

FTE was sniped from CT. It has always been allowable that a raid be allowed a measure of self preservation. I skirted this exact scenario (CT sniping) in this topic here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=691659#post691659 several months ago.

In that particular case, TMO ran straight back to the north wall to camp. It is allowable that TMO return to the camp it had recently vacated in order to save lives. Otherwise, FTE sniping would have forced TMO to simply die (or face training suspensions) thus giving the competing force a free attempt at the mob. Either way you look at it, the snipe would be successful at preventing the original raid force's legitimate attempt.

FTE sniping carries an inherent risk, and that risk is when the original raid force disengages due to the snipers direct intervention.

If you can produce evidence that a TMO member ran far past TMO's camp in an unreasonable manner so as to negligently or purposefully train a rival force, then you have grounds for complaint. Otherwise, your FTE sniper removed any possible grievance you might have when he directly intervened in the encounter forcing a retreat.

[maverixdamighty]

FTE was sniped from CT. It has always been allowable that a raid be allowed a measure of self preservation. I skirted this exact scenario (CT sniping) in this topic here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=691659#post691659 several months ago.

In that particular case, TMO ran straight back to the north wall to camp. It is allowable that TMO return to the camp it had recently vacated in order to save lives. Otherwise, FTE sniping would have forced TMO to simply die (or face training suspensions) thus giving the competing force a free attempt at the mob. Either way you look at it, the snipe would be successful at preventing the original raid force's legitimate attempt.

FTE sniping carries an inherent risk, and that risk is when the original raid force disengages due to the snipers direct intervention.

If you can produce evidence that a TMO member ran far past TMO's camp in an unreasonable manner so as to negligently or purposefully train a rival force, then you have grounds for complaint. Otherwise, your FTE sniper removed any possible grievance you might have when he directly intervened in the encounter forcing a retreat.

this already happened and dosxx was suspended, confirmed cheaters. this is easy.

[Tanthallas]

If you can produce evidence that a TMO member ran far past TMO's camp in an unreasonable manner so as to negligently or purposefully train a rival force, then you have grounds for complaint. Otherwise, your FTE sniper removed any possible grievance you might have when he directly intervened in the encounter forcing a retreat.

The FRAPs I submitted shows exactly this. Dosxx is suspended. Have him pop on and say HI to show us otherwise.

[Servellious]

tmo trained a raid? whats new.

[Alarti0001]

tmo trained a raid? whats new.

It was Xerxes again

[Tanthallas]

The sun wasnt up for him to take the direct path