Raren Loses...all the time.

[Axion]

This is a conversation I had with Raren very recently. I blurred out all the nasty things he said but I am sure you can use your imagination.


I am posting this to prove a point that you cant believe everything you read on the internet ladies and gentlemen.

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab157/rymanq3/EQ000007.gif


GG Raren



-Axion

[Otto]

Who was it that was saying this stuff can be photoshopped so easily?

Oh wait, you!

[Axion]

=) Otto wins!

[Skeletonya]

http://motivpic.com/users_data/pics/1/120/original-this-looks-shopped.jpg

[Armin34]

FYI for all the newbies out there, GM's can read logs of each character, SS or not, I'm sure it was looked into

[Raren]

i love it

[Phallax]

Lol nice attempt at revenge, but miserably failed.

[Axion]

If you notice I was posting this to make a point it just so happens that Raren is worthless enough to be used in my example.

[Axion]

Closed!

[Armin34]

You sound like another Moron from IB

[Raren]

Why u so serious? its just a game!

[Raren]

OH btw yeah thats Fixt the shity druid in IB

[Armin34]

Ah another Applicant to IB - Standard
80% of IB right now are all Apps without a clue

[Zyvixious]

Looks like IB has sucken so low that they lash out at everyone bc they have been shot down and stripped of all their pride and glamor! its so sad that they dont have anything left of an original foundation. Im guessing everyone can see why.. their actions are distasteful and hilarious. Maybe one day when people like gothic circle are lookin down on IB say " wow werent those ib guys somebody" the nearest noob replies " whose ib?" GG QQ ib catch u in the afterlife :P

[Gwence]

Ah another Applicant to IB - Standard
80% of IB right now are all Apps without a clue

and DA is like 80% of people that had their applications rejected by IB.....lol

[Raren]

Who got rejected btw? bc i dont remember getting rejected for some odd reason or maybe its just my memory is really bad but i think i was planning on leaving IB about a week before i left lol

[Axion]

haha this is awesome! ok done really...

[eqdruid76]

I lol'd @ "Your even more stupid than you sound".

[Zyvixious]

IB loses again! Nothing new since the new sheriff in town is DA! whoop whoop!

[Pheer]

Who got rejected btw? bc i dont remember getting rejected for some odd reason or maybe its just my memory is really bad but i think i was planning on leaving IB about a week before i left lol

LOL

"You can't fire me! I QUIT!"

[Loke]

Who got rejected btw?

I got rejected. It was a sexual harassment thing. I dont want to talk about it.

[astarothel]

IB loses again! Nothing new since the new sheriff in town is DA! whoop whoop!

Sounds like someone needs to call Bob Marley.

[Phallax]

and DA is like 80% of people that realize how big of a douche factory IB is running.

Sorry you must have fat fingers, I fixed your typos.

[Zordana]

Sorry you must have fat fingers, I fixed your typos.

at last ive never seen any IB druid port out members from other guilds in raid instances and then sending misstells like "woot i got their puller"

[Phallax]

at last ive never seen any IB druid port out members from other guilds in raid instances and then sending misstells like "woot i got their puller"

lol, sounds like the groups own fault for grouping a non raid member

[Phallax]

err fat finger syndrome hit me! raid = guild

[jilena]

Fuck you.

Also, who is winning the heavily skill based sitting at a raid mob's spawn point for 72 hours race this week?

[Phallax]

Fuck you.

Also, who is winning the heavily skill based sitting at a raid mob's spawn point for 72 hours race this week?

I think DA I dunno, maybe just by a couple hours. The week jsut started give it time! IB won by a large margine last week and shit loot in the process!

[Jify]

I think DA I dunno, maybe just by a couple hours. The week jsut started give it time! IB won by a large margine last week and shit loot in the process!

But we had fun!

[Phallax]

But we had fun!

And when it comes down to it thats all that matters! I liksies!

[spoolie]

i would say we tied last week... we got draco CT and vox, while IB got naggy maestro inny. but we got way better lootsssssessss

[Phallax]

i would say we tied last week... we got draco CT and vox, while IB got naggy maestro inny. but we got way better lootsssssessss

but they started(inny 4 days?) and ended(naggy2.5 days?) the raid sitting, so they win that catagory.

[spoolie]

oh sitting wise. ya def IB takes the cake

[jilena]

Man these raiding rules are serious business. I don't know if I have the skills it takes to sit online for 70 hours plus waiting for a spawn. Cuz while that is obviously way less detrimental to the health of the players than getting trained or leapfrogged... And obviously takes way more skill... I just don't think I am that much of a badass.

So I must say farewell to any hopes I had of again seeing the illustrious raid content I once knew... </3

[Destructo]

Stupid n00bs.

[TheDudeAbides]

Man these raiding rules are serious business. I don't know if I have the skills it takes to sit online for 70 hours plus waiting for a spawn. Cuz while that is obviously way less detrimental to the health of the players than getting trained or leapfrogged... And obviously takes way more skill... I just don't think I am that much of a badass.

So I must say farewell to any hopes I had of again seeing the illustrious raid content I once knew... </3

None of this content requires much skill

[Mleh]

http://www.intelligentrecords.com/Comments/WhySoSerious.jpg

[Aadill]

We need more art like that in the world.

[astarothel]

None of this content requires much skill

Sarcasm. Apparently you missed it.

[Dabamf]

Who got rejected btw? bc i dont remember getting rejected for some odd reason or maybe its just my memory is really bad but i think i was planning on leaving IB about a week before i left lol

You know when you're talkin to a girl and you get that feeling that's she's not really into you (but she doesn't say outright, "leave"), so you bounce?

Well, that's still a rejection. And you know it because you instantly turned into one of the more vocal anti-IB people here. The last person to do that after getting their app rejected? Legend.

See, if I get rejected for something because I'm terrible at it, I like to keep my mouth shut and not do things that will draw attention to the fact that I failed miserably. Apparently there's a subset of the population that prefers to do the exact opposite, and I'm quite curious about that.

[Erasong]

IB loses again! Nothing new since the new sheriff in town is DA! whoop whoop!

You are delusional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions


Im with spoolie. We split even. How does this merrit a changing of the guard post? I dont understand why you are so angry and want to berate a guild that you never had any interaction with till a week ago. Hell you didnt finish leveling till recently. I saw you running around in your por ass oracle robe a week ago. You were to busy selling AC rings and show those evil guk top groups who was boss bye KS'ing their mobs for "revenge" and how they cant talk to you any ole way! You sir are the King of Douchebaggery and it boggles my mind that you can post anything on these forums without being called out over and over.

[jilena]

More drama please it's gonna be a long day.

[Raren]

You know when you're talkin to a girl and you get that feeling that's she's not really into you (but she doesn't say outright, "leave"), so you bounce?

Well, that's still a rejection. And you know it because you instantly turned into one of the more vocal anti-IB people here. The last person to do that after getting their app rejected? Legend.

See, if I get rejected for something because I'm terrible at it, I like to keep my mouth shut and not do things that will draw attention to the fact that I failed miserably. Apparently there's a subset of the population that prefers to do the exact opposite, and I'm quite curious about that.

its like going to a party but then ur thinking to urself wow do i really wanna be at this shity party? then i go ahead and leave and go to a new party with people i actually like and r actually fun to hang out with?

[Shannacore]

More drama please it's gonna be a long day.

this. slow day at work, gogo.

[astarothel]

its like going to a party but then ur thinking to urself wow do i really wanna be at this shity party? then i go ahead and leave and go to a new party with people i actually like and r actually fun to hang out with?

Then people at both parties call the cops on each other and in the end nothing happens except you've ruined both parties?

[Raren]

DA Party is still KICKING ASS! IB party not so much :(

[Phallax]

DA has keggers. IB just has 6 packs of Natural Ice and a bag of fungions.

[pickled_heretic]

DA has keggers. IB just has 6 packs of Natural Ice and a bag of fungions.

They're FUNYUNS and they're AWESOME

[Phallax]

They're FUNYUNS and they're AWESOME

Yea those things. Had the Flaming Hot ones? They wtfpwn. Regular...not so much.

[astarothel]

DA has keggers.

Filled with natty ice.

[Raren]

I love those Flaming Cheetos!

[Phallax]

I love those Flaming Cheetos!

Jalapeno Cheddar are better

[Phallax]

Filled with natty ice.

Nah fuck that, watered down piss..

[TheDudeAbides]

You know when you're talkin to a girl and you get that feeling that's she's not really into you (but she doesn't say outright, "leave"), so you bounce?

No I don't know bro

You seem to have extensive experience at it tho

[Taxi]

No I don't know bro

You seem to have extensive experience at it tho

Ahhhhh Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! \o/ _o/ _o_ \o_ \o/

You got served, son!

[pickled_heretic]

No I don't know bro

You seem to have extensive experience at it tho

LOL NEITHER DO I CUZ I NEVER TALK TO GIRLS

[Gwence]

yea DA party rocks, 60-70 people all drinking from the same miniature keg, how long before the alcohol runs out?

[fefifofum]

yea DA party rocks, 60-70 people all drinking from the same miniature keg, how long before the alcohol runs out?

um i dont drink beer, it is nasty.. =)

[Raren]

yea DA party rocks, 60-70 people all drinking from the same miniature keg, how long before the alcohol runs out?

thing is we had just as many ppl as u guys did with vox but we didnt wipe? what happened buddy?

[Loke]

yea DA party rocks, 60-70 people all drinking from the same miniature keg, how long before the alcohol runs out?

Yea, but we'd cash the shit out of that mini keg!

Seriously though, why all the hate on natty ice kegs? Who honestly gets kegs of good beer? I ONCE got a keg of Leine's Honey Wiess because it was on special for something ridiculous like $49.. if you're rocking imported or microbrew in a keg, you clearly don't know how to party correctly.

[Phallax]

yea DA party rocks, 60-70 people all drinking from the same miniature keg, how long before the alcohol runs out?

Dont be mad we could do people with half those numbers easily but we have members that are actually dedicated and actually want to raid and dont wanna sit at ZL waitin for the loot to drop. Im sure IB wouldnt do such a thing, Im just sayin.

[Phallax]

Dont be mad we could do raids with half those numbers easily but we have members that are actually dedicated and actually want to raid and dont wanna sit at ZL waitin for the loot to drop. Im sure IB wouldnt do such a thing, Im just sayin.

Wow wtf that was butchered. fixed WTB edit funtion on rants and flames

[quido]

Whatever your viewpoints on IB and DA, I think we can all agree that Raren is an imbecile.

[Aadill]

Dont be mad we could do people with half those numbers easily but we have members that are actually dedicated and actually want to raid and dont wanna sit at ZL waitin for the loot to drop. Im sure IB wouldnt do such a thing, Im just sayin.

Wow wtf that was butchered. fixed WTB edit funtion on rants and flames

No, no, leave it.

Beer and doing people in large groups, waiting for the loot to drop.


Hawt.

[Loke]

Dont be mad we could do people with half those numbers easily but we have members that are actually dedicated and actually want to raid and dont wanna sit at ZL waitin for the loot to drop. Im sure IB wouldnt do such a thing, Im just sayin.

DA doing people. Orgies? Discuss.

*I know you fixed it before this post, but let's pretend you didnt.

[Phallax]

DA doing people. Orgies? Discuss.

*I know you fixed it before this post, but let's pretend you didnt.

Its our secret to success....and STDs.

[Aadill]

*I know you fixed it before this post, but let's pretend you didnt.

Look how slow you are. Perhaps you should fix your post.

Aadill - 2:15
Loke - 2:16

[Gwence]

thing is we had just as many ppl as u guys did with vox but we didnt wipe? what happened buddy?

Your math skills are even worse than your enchanter skills, buddy. 56 =/= 32

[Raren]

Your math skills are even worse than your enchanter skills, buddy. 56 =/= 32

Did u take a count when u started Wiping?

[Beau]

There were over 80 people in the zone 50+ of which were DA and the zone started to crash after about 10 minutes of "killing" Vox during some pretty intensive bind rushing. I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say that MIGHT have something to do with the instability of the zone.

[Raren]

lol actually i think that was IB Bind Rushing good try buddy

[Raren]

There were over 80 people in the zone 50+ of which were DA and the zone started to crash after about 10 minutes of "killing" Vox during some pretty intensive bind rushing. I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say that MIGHT have something to do with the instability of the zone.

if we did take 10 mins to kill vox who won? oh yea DA did

and how long did IB live for like 30 secs? lol

[astarothel]

sup.

http://www.amazing-animations.com/animations/train2.gif

[Erasong]

lol actually i think that was IB Bind Rushing good try buddy

I cant call you guys out on bind rushing, i dont know for sure, what I can say 100% shit sure tho is you had 51 people on Vox, we had 30. I honestly dont think it is possible to wipe to Vox with 51. Doesnt your dps outdamage her CH's?

[Beau]

if we did take 10 mins to kill vox who won? oh yea DA did


Actually no, as I mentioned before, the zone crashed and somehow you convinced the gm to reset your timer. Foul play was suspected. I would imagine after a fight that long with anything even a Zerg force would be running pretty low on mana or completely ouf of mana for heals, dps etc. I kinda suspected foul play myself.

I'm not slamming your zerg, it's effective, it gets the job done. Just don't come here boasting skill and efficiency. On that note, I have no doubt your guild has many very skilled players. I am aware of a few personally that are very good. I am also in no way convinced that you are among them.

Whatever your viewpoints on IB and DA, I think we can all agree that Raren is an imbecile.

Yeah... Do you really "lol" every time you type it?

[Raren]

This thread is getting good!

[Phallax]

Yea im pretty sure IB was doing the bind rushing lol. We never had the chance since the zone "surpringly" crashed.


Actually scratch that IB was in the zone, not so surpising.

[Cyrano]

Loke is skilled. I imagine Durison is legit too.

[jilena]

Yea, but we'd cash the shit out of that mini keg!

Seriously though, why all the hate on natty ice kegs? Who honestly gets kegs of good beer? I ONCE got a keg of Leine's Honey Wiess because it was on special for something ridiculous like $49.. if you're rocking imported or microbrew in a keg, you clearly don't know how to party correctly.

We had a keg of Southern Star Rauchbier for our housewarming party at our most recent apt. Of course it was just cuz some girl requested it and a guy that wanted to fuck her felt it was worth the $$$ lol.

[TheDudeAbides]

The gaslighting being attempted by IB in this thread is laughable

You guys are still trying to pretend you're an elite skilled guild or something. It couldn't be further from the truth. Since they nerfed the shit you morons were exploiting (Leatherfoot caps/soulfires with instant complete heals that could be recharged by dueling/dieing and god knows what else) IB hasn't exactly been wowing the server with its epic skills.

[astarothel]

The gaslighting being attempted by IB in this thread is laughable

You guys are still trying to pretend you're an elite skilled guild or something. It couldn't be further from the truth. Since they nerfed the shit you morons were exploiting (Leatherfoot caps/soulfires with instant complete heals that could be recharged by dueling/dieing and god knows what else) IB hasn't exactly been wowing the server with its epic skills.

Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

[Sinlea]

Maybe IB just isn't into the idea of mass recruiting anyone and everyone... or sitting in one zone for 3 days straight because we can't react fast enough to get mobs the right way. God, it must be so fun being a member of DA. Sitting AFK *all* week just to zerg a mob and begin AFK camping the next. Seriously, that sounds like SO much fun to me. I only wish I could be so easily amused and contented.

[Armin34]

Maybe IB just isn't into the idea of mass recruiting anyone and everyone... or sitting in one zone for 3 days straight because we can't react fast enough to get mobs the right way. God, it must be so fun being a member of DA. Sitting AFK *all* week just to zerg a mob and begin AFK camping the next. Seriously, that sounds like SO much fun to me. I only wish I could be so easily amused and contented.

Whatever it is that IB is doing is working.

[astarothel]

Seems like there's so many "brother" "father" "wife" "kid" accounts now where one of them camps something while the other is coincidentally selling it ECT, soon everyone will be able to camp a raidzone.

[Phallax]

Maybe IB just isn't into the idea of mass recruiting anyone and everyone... or sitting in one zone for 3 days straight because we can't react fast enough to get mobs the right way. God, it must be so fun being a member of DA. Sitting AFK *all* week just to zerg a mob and begin AFK camping the next. Seriously, that sounds like SO much fun to me. I only wish I could be so easily amused and contented.

How many days did you spend in Hate waiting on Inny, then how many more in Solb for Naggy? Quit talkin shit over something youre doing far more...

Sounds like someone is butt hurt because they have some competition now.

[Phallax]

I think its sooooo great how pretty much everyone else is having fun with this thread but IB is all in serious mode. Get a grip kids, its a game. Learn to have some fun. When things dont go your way suck it up and move on, dont go crying to daddy Rogean.

[Raren]

Maybe IB just isn't into the idea of mass recruiting anyone and everyone... or sitting in one zone for 3 days straight because we can't react fast enough to get mobs the right way. God, it must be so fun being a member of DA. Sitting AFK *all* week just to zerg a mob and begin AFK camping the next. Seriously, that sounds like SO much fun to me. I only wish I could be so easily amused and contented.

lol ur funnny vittra same thing IB is doing they r just losing :(

[Sinlea]

Other guilds are camping because they basically HAVE to now, in order to have a chance at anything. Your strategy (camping) is cheap and requires no skill whatsoever. Nor does having nearly 60 members online afking in perma to zerg vox or whoever else you're camping. Yeah, I guess it is hard to compete when you don't really want to lower yourself to the zergforce level. GG.

And Raren, so funny how much shit you talk when you're one of the worst enchanters I've seen, and didn't you JUST join DA? You're so silly.

[Raren]

Other guilds are camping because they basically HAVE to now, in order to have a chance at anything. Your strategy (camping) is cheap and requires no skill whatsoever. Nor does having nearly 60 members online afking in perma to zerg vox or whoever else you're camping. Yeah, I guess it is hard to compete when you don't really want to lower yourself to the zergforce level. GG.

And Raren, so funny how much shit you talk when you're one of the worst enchanters I've seen, and didn't you JUST join DA? You're so silly.

Sounds like someone is a little jealous they arnt in a good guild :( its ok Vittra maybe one day youll be a good monk

[astarothel]

I think its sooooo great how pretty much everyone else is having fun with this thread but IB is all in serious mode. Get a grip kids, its a game. Learn to have some fun. When things dont go your way suck it up and move on, dont go crying to daddy Rogean.

Really? Cause all I see is a lot of IB people saying a whole lot of "meh" and "whatevers", whereas you guys are busy going "OMG YOU SUCK." "OMG WE'RE TOTALLY BETTER THAN YOU NOW", splooging everywhere in the thread and spouting general douchebaggery.

As it stands in this thread right now, a majority of the DA posters are acting and posting like fourteen year olds, versus the small number of flames of IB origins.

To the moderates in both guilds I salute you.
To the idiots I salute you with my middle finger.

[Sinlea]

Sounds like someone is a little bored while he has to spend his play time camping raid targets rather than enjoying the game :) I'm so happy you found a guild that would actually accept you and I'm glad you're having so much fun! <3

[Raren]

Yeah im having a blast! so what r u guys doing in hate right now? TRYING to camp a mob? right?

[Aadill]

This thread got real good then turned to dumb in just a few posts.

[Phallax]

Yeah im having a blast! so what r u guys doing in hate right now? TRYING to camp a mob? right?

Nah they got beat in Hate once again. So they moved to AFK in perma.

[Phallax]

Really? Cause all I see is a lot of IB people saying a whole lot of "meh" and "whatevers", whereas you guys are busy going "OMG YOU SUCK." "OMG WE'RE TOTALLY BETTER THAN YOU NOW", splooging everywhere in the thread and spouting general douchebaggery.

As it stands in this thread right now, a majority of the DA posters are acting and posting like fourteen year olds, versus the small number of flames of IB origins.

To the moderates in both guilds I salute you.
To the idiots I salute you with my middle finger.

Yea if I were IB Id say the same thing. The posts show the facts tho.

[astarothel]

The posts show the facts tho.

They don't really show anything actually.

Well they show the fact a whole bunch of posters in this thread are assholes, is that the fact you wanted to emphasize?

[Aadill]

a whole bunch of posters in this thread are assholes
a whole bunch of posters in this thread are assholes
a whole bunch of posters in this thread are assholes
a whole bunch of posters in this thread are assholes
a whole bunch of posters in this thread are assholes
a whole bunch of posters in this thread are assholes
a whole bunch of posters in this thread are assholes

I'll emphasize it.

[Phallax]

They don't really show anything actually.

Well they show the fact a whole bunch of posters in this thread are assholes, is that the fact you wanted to emphasize?

Lol and thats the omgwtf seriousness Im talking bout. Cry more.
Sounds like someone needs a break.

[Erasong]

Yea if I were IB Id say the same thing. The posts show the facts tho.

1) astarothel isnt in IB.

2) if you review the thread rather than spew the same rhetorical propaganda again and again youd see the validity of his statements.

3) if we split 2/2 How is DA this new powerhouse?

4) DA started camping mobs LONG before IB did and is starting it up again this week. We used a method that allowed our members to get on with real life and if you were available to MOBILIZE for a mob, then you did so. DA started this thing of camping in a zone days before a pop.

5) it is a FACT you have multiple members that are ex IB apps or members that were removed for either not making the cut OR being removed for asshatery. Number of DA ex members in IB under those same circumstances? Zero. This doesnt reflect poorly on the rest of DA. I know many of you and get along just fine plus recognize you as decent players and people but lets call a spade a spade.

6) If you feel we were winning mobs by mobilizing exploiting the raider skullcaps, how bout we race for mobs now without them? abandon your camps and lets get it on. I am flat out calling you out on that one.

This server was sposed to be a nastalgic experience for me. Fun. This bullshit is making it anything but that. I dont mind competition but a few of you are taking this way to serious and dont retort with some "zomg its IB so serious" becuase the rage in your posts constantly attacking us is self evident.

If people would put their ill deserved ego's and narcissism behind them, myself included, i think p99 would be a better place. Lets not forget we are all here for the love of EQ. I predict this shit doing nothing but killing the server raid scene when its either DA or IB camping raid mobs for days and days. I dont know who that could possibly sound fun to who has a job, goes to school, or has anything in their life aside from EQ.

[Erasong]

Lol and thats the omgwtf seriousness Im talking bout. Cry more.
Sounds like someone needs a break.

calling someone out on being an ass for no reason other than to be an ass means.. you're to serious? Ok, i should slap someone and when they get mad go.. HEY ITS JUST A JOKE MAN. WHY SO SERIOUS?

[Phallax]

^ And you sir are why I stated people are taking this far to serious. How am I being an ass? Because Im having fun getting you guys all worked up? Keep em coming, youll never break my barrier of fun.

[Aadill]

Barrier of Fun: 15.0 second casting time.

Raises a barrier of fun around your body that increases your alcohol tolerance and absorbs some STDs before dissipating.

Cast on you: You are surrounded by a swirling maelstrom of magical fun.
Cast on other: Soandso is surrounded by a swirling maelstrom of magical fun.
Effect Fades: The maelstrom turns to shit.

[eqdruid76]

^ And you sir are why I stated people are taking this far to serious. How am I being an ass? Because Im having fun getting you guys all worked up? Keep em coming, youll never break my barrier of fun.

This might.

Your parents are very disappointed in you.

(Standing by for "Both my parents died in a tragic automobile/plane/train/cuisinart accident" sympathy move).

[Hiragawa]

(Standing by for "Both my parents died in a tragic automobile/plane/train/cuisinart accident" sympathy move).

I wasn't going to post in this thread, since it was far more interesting to read then partake but...

I must know...

Cuisinart Accident? Details! Spare none!

[Zithax]

you guys are all p mad

[Aadill]

you guys are all p mad

MAD AS A HATTER.

[astarothel]

Im having fun getting you guys all worked up? Keep em coming, youll never break my barrier of fun.

Sounds like you're the one getting a little excited there man.
Maybe you should just find some tissues and finish yourself off.

[Erasong]

^ And you sir are why I stated people are taking this far to serious. How am I being an ass? Because Im having fun getting you guys all worked up? Keep em coming, youll never break my barrier of fun.

if fun = being an asshole, id just rather not smell like shit all day.

[Dabamf]

Neither guild can claim they are better at everquest until content that is challenging comes out. Let's hope that sky is tuned appropriately and as difficult as it should be.

Although, the fact that IB rejects like Raren that got made fun of incessant for sucking so bad get instantly invited to DA can't be a good sign for their future. :)

[Dabamf]

incessantly* :/

[jilena]

I think both guilds should take turns in a dick sucking contest and whoever scrapes the least gets the mob.

[Erasong]

1)
6) If you feel we were winning mobs by mobilizing exploiting the raider skullcaps, how bout we race for mobs now without them? abandon your camps and lets get it on. I am flat out calling you out on that one
.


You ignored my list!

[Aadill]

I think both guilds should take turns in a dick sucking contest and whoever scrapes the least gets the mob.

I make crazy straws out of regular straws with my hoovering abilities.

[Arkanjil]

Good read, I need more stuff like this during the work day.

[astarothel]

I make crazy straws out of regular straws with my hoovering abilities.

Quiet man, you're making the garden hose and the golfballs jealous.

[Aadill]

Quiet man, you're making the garden hose and the golfballs jealous.

The bowling balls didn't even stand a chance.

[Loke]

I'm not going to get into all this bullshit over who is better or what not. However, I want to take a moment to discuss this whole idea of skill that keeps getting brought up.

Camping mobs doesnt take skill.. but before people camped, IB was the fastest mobilizing guild on the server hence they got the mobs. The ability to return to your computer, get to a druid ring/wiz spire, and run to a zone doesn't take an amazing amount of skill either.

Everquest, especially classic, isn't a particularly skill based game. Don't get me wrong, certain classes take a moderate amount of skill, but it's not like we're performing heart surgery here on the daily. This isn't a dig at one guild or the other since both are guilty of the whole skill argument, but let's all stop delluding ourselves into thinking that it takes anything special to camp, mobilize for, or kill these mobs.

[Jeah]

6) If you feel we were winning mobs by mobilizing exploiting the raider skullcaps, how bout we race for mobs now without them? abandon your camps and lets get it on. I am flat out calling you out on that one.

Sweet challenge brah

[Arkanjil]

I'm not going to get into all this bullshit over who is better or what not. However, I want to take a moment to discuss this whole idea of skill that keeps getting brought up.

Camping mobs doesnt take skill.. but before people camped, IB was the fastest mobilizing guild on the server hence they got the mobs. The ability to return to your computer, get to a druid ring/wiz spire, and run to a zone doesn't take an amazing amount of skill either.

Everquest, especially classic, isn't a particularly skill based game. Don't get me wrong, certain classes take a moderate amount of skill, but it's not like we're performing heart surgery here on the daily. This isn't a dig at one guild or the other since both are guilty of the whole skill argument, but let's all stop delluding ourselves into thinking that it takes anything special to camp, mobilize for, or kill these mobs.

Agreed...high islands of Sky and Veeshan's Peak is where the skill comes into play.

[Phallax]

Agreed...high islands of Sky and Veeshan's Peak is where the skill comes into play.

Really theres no skill there either. Its still tank this, heal that guy, mez this,debuff that, kill in this order...Theres really not much "skill". One thing that took slight skill was mob placement and since push doesnt exist here thats shot right out the door.

Classic EQ was never about skill really, it was about who put more time into the game and encounters. Using LoS walls and timing to avoid AEs. But in all honesty pretty much all of classic was tank and spank / CH order with some resist buffing thrown in.

[Phallax]

if fun = being an asshole, id just rather not smell like shit all day.

I think i hurt someones feeling, you gonna cry bro?

[Shawk]

I think both guilds should take turns in a dick sucking contest and whoever scrapes the least gets the mob.

Agreed.

[Erasong]

I think i hurt someones feeling, you gonna cry bro?

I dont have feelings. just text based auto responses on some random forum in the internets that at best a few hundred people out of billions read. You wanna hurt someones look in the mirror and come to the realization that you cant be me and your meme style over used comebacks make you look dull at best.

[Phallax]

I dont have feelings. just text based auto responses on some random forum in the internets that at best a few hundred people out of billions read. You wanna hurt someones look in the mirror and come to the realization that you cant be me and your meme style over used comebacks make you look dull at best.

Hahaha, man I wish I could be you tho. You seem so cool.

[astarothel]

I'm not going to get into all this bullshit over who is better or what not. However, I want to take a moment to discuss this whole idea of skill that keeps getting brought up.

Camping mobs doesnt take skill.. but before people camped, IB was the fastest mobilizing guild on the server hence they got the mobs. The ability to return to your computer, get to a druid ring/wiz spire, and run to a zone doesn't take an amazing amount of skill either.

Everquest, especially classic, isn't a particularly skill based game. Don't get me wrong, certain classes take a moderate amount of skill, but it's not like we're performing heart surgery here on the daily. This isn't a dig at one guild or the other since both are guilty of the whole skill argument, but let's all stop delluding ourselves into thinking that it takes anything special to camp, mobilize for, or kill these mobs.

Why couldnt we have just ended it at this post. :D

[Jeah]

Why couldnt we have just ended it at this post. :D

Because this is the drag everything out for fun forum.

[Aadill]

The fun was over long long ago...

[Phallax]

The fun was over long long ago...

NO! You cannot break my fun barrier!

[Aadill]

The fun barrier only takes 796 points of buzzkill, broham.

[TheDudeAbides]

Other guilds are camping because they basically HAVE to now, in order to have a chance at anything. Your strategy (camping) is cheap and requires no skill whatsoever. Nor does having nearly 60 members online afking in perma to zerg vox or whoever else you're camping. Yeah, I guess it is hard to compete when you don't really want to lower yourself to the zergforce level. GG.

And Raren, so funny how much shit you talk when you're one of the worst enchanters I've seen, and didn't you JUST join DA? You're so silly.

You're so full of shit

Here is what is really happening

Before IB didn't need to camp. They could park a druid in a plane. Cellphone everyone when a mob popped. You guys would login, use exploit your leatherfoot caps and port anywhere you needed to go immediately. You'd harrass/leapfrog any other guild in the zone, show zero respect for any raid currently underway in the zone, and basically be the biggest fucking cocksuckers any EQ server has ever seen over irrelevant loot. You were abusing/exploiting the hell out of broken items. Stop sitting there and fucking pretending you had some skill or something. These mobs are not fucking difficult.

So another guild adapted. That's everquest. Seriously fuck you and fuck IB. You're not some guild with integrity or something. You aholes corpse camped Divinity for hours, stacking corpses. You offer to res rival guildmates you train, and then hit them with 0% reses, laughing at them. You try to exploit a Vox stuck in the wall, and then when it doesn't go your way, you whine and cry to the GMs to get 100% reses and another shot. You've exploited broken items since day one. Yea, you like to use this forum as some type of propaganda, where you stack posts all sucking each other's dicks trying to push this image of IB as some guild to be admired or something. It isn't. You guys are grade A freaks and assholes.

So do us all a favor. Camp your mobs and shut your fucking stinky vagina up. YOU created this mess by being the "Gotta catch them all" guild and purposely being fuckwits and crazed lunatics over this nonsense. I don't see why the fuck you are crying now. This is what YOU wanted. It's hardcore bro. Camp nagafen for 5 days or something. Yea, I'm sure it was nice when you didn't actually have to be logged into the game, you'd receive the text message, you'd login, use your leatherfoot cap and get ported to fuck everyone else out of content. Yea, I'm sure it was all shits and giggles. You controlled the server. You made the rules. Now you don't. That's the real issue here. The server is out of your control now and you can't handle it.

You don't even know what a zerg is. Bind rushing a target with naked fuckwits is zerging you dumb motherfucker. Not killing the mob with one or two deaths.

Disclaimer: I don't speak for any guild on this server

[jilena]

I think I'd rather be trained while trying to kill a mob than have to camp it for 72 hours plus. Maybe that's just me.

[Otto]

You're so full of shit

Here is what is really happening

Before IB didn't need to camp. They could park a druid in a plane. Cellphone everyone when a mob popped. You guys would login, use exploit your leatherfoot caps and port anywhere you needed to go immediately. You'd harrass/leapfrog any other guild in the zone, show zero respect for any raid currently underway in the zone, and basically be the biggest fucking cocksuckers any EQ server has ever seen over irrelevant loot. You were abusing/exploiting the hell out of broken items. Stop sitting there and fucking pretending you had some skill or something. These mobs are not fucking difficult.

So another guild adapted. That's everquest. Seriously fuck you and fuck IB. You're not some guild with integrity or something. You aholes corpse camped Divinity for hours, stacking corpses. You offer to res rival guildmates you train, and then hit them with 0% reses, laughing at them. You try to exploit a Vox stuck in the wall, and then when it doesn't go your way, you whine and cry to the GMs to get 100% reses and another shot. You've exploited broken items since day one. Yea, you like to use this forum as some type of propaganda, where you stack posts all sucking each other's dicks trying to push this image of IB as some guild to be admired or something. It isn't. You guys are grade A freaks and assholes.

So do us all a favor. Camp your mobs and shut your fucking stinky vagina up. YOU created this mess by being the "Gotta catch them all" guild and purposely being fuckwits and crazed lunatics over this nonsense. I don't see why the fuck you are crying now. This is what YOU wanted. It's hardcore bro. Camp nagafen for 5 days or something. Yea, I'm sure it was nice when you didn't actually have to be logged into the game, you'd receive the text message, you'd login, use your leatherfoot cap and get ported to fuck everyone else out of content. Yea, I'm sure it was all shits and giggles. You controlled the server. You made the rules. Now you don't. That's the real issue here. The server is out of your control now and you can't handle it.

You don't even know what a zerg is. Bind rushing a target with naked fuckwits is zerging you dumb motherfucker. Not killing the mob with one or two deaths.

Disclaimer: I don't speak for any guild on this server

bahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Gorgetrapper]

You're so full of shit

Here is what is really happening

Before IB didn't need to camp. They could park a druid in a plane. Cellphone everyone when a mob popped. You guys would login, use exploit your leatherfoot caps and port anywhere you needed to go immediately. You'd harrass/leapfrog any other guild in the zone, show zero respect for any raid currently underway in the zone, and basically be the biggest fucking cocksuckers any EQ server has ever seen over irrelevant loot. You were abusing/exploiting the hell out of broken items. Stop sitting there and fucking pretending you had some skill or something. These mobs are not fucking difficult.

So another guild adapted. That's everquest. Seriously fuck you and fuck IB. You're not some guild with integrity or something. You aholes corpse camped Divinity for hours, stacking corpses. You offer to res rival guildmates you train, and then hit them with 0% reses, laughing at them. You try to exploit a Vox stuck in the wall, and then when it doesn't go your way, you whine and cry to the GMs to get 100% reses and another shot. You've exploited broken items since day one. Yea, you like to use this forum as some type of propaganda, where you stack posts all sucking each other's dicks trying to push this image of IB as some guild to be admired or something. It isn't. You guys are grade A freaks and assholes.

So do us all a favor. Camp your mobs and shut your fucking stinky vagina up. YOU created this mess by being the "Gotta catch them all" guild and purposely being fuckwits and crazed lunatics over this nonsense. I don't see why the fuck you are crying now. This is what YOU wanted. It's hardcore bro. Camp nagafen for 5 days or something. Yea, I'm sure it was nice when you didn't actually have to be logged into the game, you'd receive the text message, you'd login, use your leatherfoot cap and get ported to fuck everyone else out of content. Yea, I'm sure it was all shits and giggles. You controlled the server. You made the rules. Now you don't. That's the real issue here. The server is out of your control now and you can't handle it.

You don't even know what a zerg is. Bind rushing a target with naked fuckwits is zerging you dumb motherfucker. Not killing the mob with one or two deaths.

Disclaimer: I don't speak for any guild on this server

It's funny how this is pretty much right on the dot. But i'd also have to agree that DA is pretty bad themselves with the training (actually, VERY badly). Both guilds do what they want because they can get away with it, screenshots and logs are worthless and the GMs have to be there for anything to happen.

No matter how much I hate DA though, I'm just glad IB is now getting their panties in a knot because they're losing their grip (lol) on the server.

[Destructo]

You're so full of shit

Here is what is really happening

Before IB didn't need to camp. They could park a druid in a plane. Cellphone everyone when a mob popped. You guys would login, use exploit your leatherfoot caps and port anywhere you needed to go immediately. You'd harrass/leapfrog any other guild in the zone, show zero respect for any raid currently underway in the zone, and basically be the biggest fucking cocksuckers any EQ server has ever seen over irrelevant loot. You were abusing/exploiting the hell out of broken items. Stop sitting there and fucking pretending you had some skill or something. These mobs are not fucking difficult.

So another guild adapted. That's everquest. Seriously fuck you and fuck IB. You're not some guild with integrity or something. You aholes corpse camped Divinity for hours, stacking corpses. You offer to res rival guildmates you train, and then hit them with 0% reses, laughing at them. You try to exploit a Vox stuck in the wall, and then when it doesn't go your way, you whine and cry to the GMs to get 100% reses and another shot. You've exploited broken items since day one. Yea, you like to use this forum as some type of propaganda, where you stack posts all sucking each other's dicks trying to push this image of IB as some guild to be admired or something. It isn't. You guys are grade A freaks and assholes.

So do us all a favor. Camp your mobs and shut your fucking stinky vagina up. YOU created this mess by being the "Gotta catch them all" guild and purposely being fuckwits and crazed lunatics over this nonsense. I don't see why the fuck you are crying now. This is what YOU wanted. It's hardcore bro. Camp nagafen for 5 days or something. Yea, I'm sure it was nice when you didn't actually have to be logged into the game, you'd receive the text message, you'd login, use your leatherfoot cap and get ported to fuck everyone else out of content. Yea, I'm sure it was all shits and giggles. You controlled the server. You made the rules. Now you don't. That's the real issue here. The server is out of your control now and you can't handle it.

You don't even know what a zerg is. Bind rushing a target with naked fuckwits is zerging you dumb motherfucker. Not killing the mob with one or two deaths.

Disclaimer: I don't speak for any guild on this server

Amen!

[Taxi]

You're so full of shit

Here is what is really happening

Before IB didn't need to camp. They could park a druid in a plane. Cellphone everyone when a mob popped. You guys would login, use exploit your leatherfoot caps and port anywhere you needed to go immediately. You'd harrass/leapfrog any other guild in the zone, show zero respect for any raid currently underway in the zone, and basically be the biggest fucking cocksuckers any EQ server has ever seen over irrelevant loot.

This reminds me of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. He uses such overblown language, that although theres truth to what hes saying, using sentences such as "Bush is Satan" is self-defeating and he ends up not being taken seriously.

[Taxi]

Not saying what the dude is saying is true or not, just making a point about what it feels to me reading this. I dont really pay attention to the rest of the text because that bolded sentence makes you doubt everything else.

[Cyrano]

^
Or maybe we just camped out in WC since it has both Wizard and Druid portals? How's that for exploiting?

Also explain how use trying to pull Vox out from below the world (she was in a faction war with giants) is exploiting?

On a side note, can someone from DA explain the screenshots from one of your actual likable members admitting you guys trained yourselves last week but lied to the GMs about it because you felt it was unfair we got a second shot at the bugged Vox? That's right we died because she summoned people under the world... that sounds like a very valid reason to get GM rezzes. Since when is training yourself a valid reason?

You guys come on here playing the "oh I'm just trolling you got /faced bro!" or "all of you are just pissed because you don't dominate anymore!" cards, but how come every time we step in a zone your leaders go flying into IRC or Mumble to flag down a GM? That sounds more like you're the whiny ones who are concerned with our presence instead of the other way around.

One more thing, stop acting like we camp any more than you do. You guys started this trend and we're simply having to abide by the server rules and play the game for the time being. In my mind, the camping equivalent is equal in present day so don't pretend you do it any less than we do.

You guys can keep spitting propaganda to level 40 wizards about our supposed hacks, gm favoritism, and massive egos, but at the end of the day you suckers ended up with Raren. That makes me ok with the aforementioned drivel being spewed about me as a person and a player.

[Destructo]

Not saying what the dude is saying is true or not, just making a point about what it feels to me reading this. I dont really pay attention to the rest of the text because that bolded sentence makes you doubt everything else.

What else would you call a big fucking cocksucker? :(

[Cyrano]

What else would you call a big fucking cocksucker? :(

Fabulous?

[Destructo]

^
Or maybe we just camped out in WC since it has both Wizard and Druid portals? How's that for exploiting?

Also explain how use trying to pull Vox out from below the world (she was in a faction war with giants) is exploiting?

On a side note, can someone from DA explain the screenshots from one of your actual likable members admitting you guys trained yourselves last week but lied to the GMs about it because you felt it was unfair we got a second shot at the bugged Vox? That's right we died because she summoned people under the world... that sounds like a very valid reason to get GM rezzes. Since when is training yourself a valid reason?

You guys come on here playing the "oh I'm just trolling you got /faced bro!" or "all of you are just pissed because you don't dominate anymore!" cards, but how come every time we step in a zone your leaders go flying into IRC or Mumble to flag down a GM? That sounds more like you're the whiny ones who are concerned with our presence instead of the other way around.

One more thing, stop acting like we camp any more than you do. You guys started this trend and we're simply having to abide by the server rules and play the game for the time being. In my mind, the camping equivalent is equal in present day so don't pretend you do it any less than we do.

You guys can keep spitting propaganda to level 40 wizards about our supposed hacks, gm favoritism, and massive egos, but at the end of the day you suckers ended up with Raren. That makes me ok with the aforementioned drivel being spewed about me as a person and a player.

This is a big fucking cocksucker right here.

Stop QQ'ing sad pathetic moron.

[Cyrano]

Ouch :(

[Destructo]

Ouch :(

Dont melt cheese infront of your computer man.

[jilena]

I find all this shit hilarious. I have grouped with people from just about every guild on this server on my cleric and my necro. I know nice people in DA, I know nice people in IB, I know nice people in Divinity, I know nice people in Trans, I know nice people in GC. And I have met people in every single one of these guilds who give off the impression that they would lie, cheat, exploit, train, ks, leapfrog, rape their mothers, spit on retarded kids, and probably sleep with those they loved knowing they had AIDS, if they thought it would let them collect more ph4tz.

I have read post after post of DA bashing the shit out of IB druids and rangers for sitting in zones waiting for mobs to spawn telling them how they have no lives and need to seek help. Yet now both of these guilds are willingly sitting large numbers of members in zones round the clock to call "dibs" on virtual loots. And it's suddenly okay and wonderful?

Here is what I gather is the reality: IB and DA are both okay with sacrificing the RL and in game time of their members to an extremely excessive degree to win at looting. In this I see both guilds as being equal. You guys can call each other douchebags and losers all you want but just about every insult flung at the opposing side could just as easily find a place where it originated. And yes I know there are special cases on both sides who exemplify all that there is to being a complete piece of shit.

That said, I think what you see here is the result of the fact that IB did it first, IB did it better, and IB has been doing it for a lot longer. The built up resentment for all things IB is lending the bullshit spewed by DA a degree of credibility it doesn't deserve. DA meets or exceeds the level of douchebaggery enacted by IB in every way possible and no matter how much either side spins it, neither one of you is the "good guy".

This doesn't mean I don't love all of you for providing me this drama to read when I am bored at work or looking for something to do while auctioning! Thank you ever so much for that!

[Gwence]

Jeffrey thinks having a tracker in a zone watching for a mob is the same as having an entire guild sitting afk in the same zone, idiocy at its finest.

We get it Jeff you're very mad and need to QQ rage. Go ahead and cry more you have all the anon poster's support to assist in your nerd rage frenzy. Be sure to continue crying about things you have zero knowledge of because those are truly the most hilarious remarks. Exploiting WC hats? Seriously? You're fucking bitching like some pms'ing teenage girl because you didnt think of it first is more likely. The raid bosses in EQ may not require the most absolute skill being that it's all been done before, but mobilizing and general organization of a guild most certainly does require intellectual and player skill among other things. Qualities you most certainly lack.

There's a phrase for people that claim to have quit playing yet remain outspoken with idiotic drivel from the outside looking in. They're called.....

A fucking loser.

[Cyrano]

There's a phrase for people that claim to have quit playing yet remain outspoken with idiotic drivel from the outside looking in. They're called.....

A fucking loser.

Fabulous.

[Cyrano]

I find all this shit hilarious. I have grouped with people from just about every guild on this server on my cleric and my necro. I know nice people in DA, I know nice people in IB, I know nice people in Divinity, I know nice people in Trans, I know nice people in GC. And I have met people in every single one of these guilds who give off the impression that they would lie, cheat, exploit, train, ks, leapfrog, rape their mothers, spit on retarded kids, and probably sleep with those they loved knowing they had AIDS, if they thought it would let them collect more ph4tz.

I have read post after post of DA bashing the shit out of IB druids and rangers for sitting in zones waiting for mobs to spawn telling them how they have no lives and need to seek help. Yet now both of these guilds are willingly sitting large numbers of members in zones round the clock to call "dibs" on virtual loots. And it's suddenly okay and wonderful?

Here is what I gather is the reality: IB and DA are both okay with sacrificing the RL and in game time of their members to an extremely excessive degree to win at looting. In this I see both guilds as being equal. You guys can call each other douchebags and losers all you want but just about every insult flung at the opposing side could just as easily find a place where it originated. And yes I know there are special cases on both sides who exemplify all that there is to being a complete piece of shit.

That said, I think what you see here is the result of the fact that IB did it first, IB did it better, and IB has been doing it for a lot longer. The built up resentment for all things IB is lending the bullshit spewed by DA a degree of credibility it doesn't deserve. DA meets or exceeds the level of douchebaggery enacted by IB in every way possible and no matter how much either side spins it, neither one of you is the "good guy".

This doesn't mean I don't love all of you for providing me this drama to read when I am bored at work or looking for something to do while auctioning! Thank you ever so much for that!

Jilena I think the prime difference is that IB tries to do it within the rules and fairly. DA/FB, in my experience, will employ any tactic to win including lying, training, leapfrogging, and attempting to KS.

Since I've been a member of IB, there has been one instance I feel we made the wrong choice and that involved Maestro and Remedy. To this day I regret that we didn't communicate our intentions regardless of our reasons for doing so which were misdirected at best.

On the other hand, I can't count the times I've seen DA/FB as a whole and as individuals purposely mislead players and GMs alike, train raids and groups, and blatantly try to leapfrog multiple guilds.

While you're right that there isn't a "good guy" in this race, the attitudes and demeanor of many DA/FB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

As you said, the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the mouth of DA/FB members. Again, I'm not pretending we haven't had our dark moments, but surely you recognize a difference in attitude and demeanor between the two parties

[Destructo]

Jeffrey thinks having a tracker in a zone watching for a mob is the same as having an entire guild sitting afk in the same zone, idiocy at its finest.

We get it Jeff you're very mad and need to QQ rage. Go ahead and cry more you have all the anon poster's support to assist in your nerd rage frenzy. Be sure to continue crying about things you have zero knowledge of because those are truly the most hilarious remarks. Exploiting WC hats? Seriously? You're fucking bitching like some pms'ing teenage girl because you didnt think of it first is more likely. The raid bosses in EQ may not require the most absolute skill being that it's all been done before, but mobilizing and general organization of a guild most certainly does require intellectual and player skill among other things. Qualities you most certainly lack.

There's a phrase for people that claim to have quit playing yet remain outspoken with idiotic drivel from the outside looking in. They're called.....

A fucking loser.

Gwence thinks being in IB makes you cool, idiocy at its finest.

We get it Gwence you're very mad and need to QQ rage. Go ahead and cry more you have all the pathetic welfare members from IB to assist in your nerd rage frenzy. Be sure to continue crying about things you have zero knowledge of because those are truly the most hilarious remarks. Exploiting WC hats? Yes you exploited items. Seriously? You're fucking bitching like some pms'ing teenage girl because exploiting isn't allowed. The raid bosses in EQ may not require the most absolute skill being that it's all been done before, it requires absolutely no fucking skill whatsoever, even retarded monkeys could it, but mobilizing and general organization of a guild most certainly does require atleast 90% members on welfare checks and bullied highschool nerds. Qualities you most certainly have.

There's a phrase for people that claim to think killing virtual dragons 10 years later makes you cool yet still yells at their mom to make a cheese sandwiches at 5am. They're called.....

A fucking loser from Inglourious Basterds.

[Cyrano]

Gwence thinks being in IB makes you cool, idiocy at its finest.

We get it Gwence you're very mad and need to QQ rage. Go ahead and cry more you have all the pathetic welfare members from IB to assist in your nerd rage frenzy. Be sure to continue crying about things you have zero knowledge of because those are truly the most hilarious remarks. Exploiting WC hats? Yes you exploited items. Seriously? You're fucking bitching like some pms'ing teenage girl because exploiting isn't allowed. The raid bosses in EQ may not require the most absolute skill being that it's all been done before, it requires absolutely no fucking skill whatsoever, even retarded monkeys could it, but mobilizing and general organization of a guild most certainly does require atleast 90% members on welfare checks and bullied highschool nerds. Qualities you most certainly have.

There's a phrase for people that claim to think killing virtual dragons 10 years later makes you cool yet still yells at their mom to make a cheese sandwiches at 5am. They're called.....

A fucking loser from Inglourious Basterds.

I think this validates the point I was attempting to make to Jilena.

[Cyrano]

http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-dog-pictures-praying-dog-boy-bed.jpg

[Destructo]

Jilena I think the prime difference is that IB tries to do it within the rules and fairly. DA/FB, in my experience, will employ any tactic to win including lying, training, leapfrogging, and attempting to KS.

Since I've been a member of IB, there has been one instance I feel we made the wrong choice and that involved Maestro and Remedy. To this day I regret that we didn't communicate our intentions regardless of our reasons for doing so which were misdirected at best.

On the other hand, I can't count the times I've seen DA/FB as a whole and as individuals purposely mislead players and GMs alike, train raids and groups, and blatantly try to leapfrog multiple guilds.

While you're right that there isn't a "good guy" in this race, the attitudes and demeanor of many DA/FB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

As you said, the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the mouth of DA/FB members. Again, I'm not pretending we haven't had our dark moments, but surely you recognize a difference in attitude and demeanor between the two parties

Cyrano I think the prime difference is that DA/FB tries to do it within the rules and fairly. IB, in my experience, will employ any tactic to win including lying, training, leapfrogging, and attempting to KS.

Since I've been a member of IB, there has been countless instances I feel we made the wrong choice and that involved every plane boss and guild on the server. To this day I regret that we didn't communicate our intentions regardless of our reasons for doing so which were wellplaced at best.

On the other hand, I can't count the times I've seen DA/FB as a whole and as individuals purposely own IB and make them QQ.

While you're right that there isn't a "good guy" in this race, the attitudes and demeanor of many IB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

As you said, the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the general population of the server. Again, I'm not pretending we haven't had our dark moments, but surely you recognize a difference between a human being and a retarded sad pathetic nerd raging cheese eating faggot.

[Taxi]

NO YOU!

[Loke]

Stuff about vox

Ok, as far as IBs Vox goes, my take is that you guys caused the faction war by using charmed giants, thus it was your own damn fault and should not have been afforded a second chance. Whether or not IB attempted to reengage her deliberatly during the faction war as some people have claimed I'm not sure, but regardless, by using charmed giants, IB knew that they ran the risk of causing a faction war and as such should not be able to complain when it happens.

As far as DAs Vox, I was there, but was on my way to class when the whole training thing happened. I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea what happened as I was afk. I will also admit that I feel our choice of position was unwise and placed us dangerously close to mobs, and all it would take is one inattentive raider to cause a train. Honestly, I think that it is more likely that the aggro was caused by someone fucking around than by a an evil plot by IB to drop us below 15.

Now, that is all kind of a moot point anyway, since because of us dropping below 15, IB WAS given the first shot at Vox and was unable to kill her. So, despite DA's best efforts to have first claim, we still didn't get it, so I don't see what the problem is? The only second chance we were given is when the zone crashed mid-fight, which I think everyone would agree is a legitimate reason.

Given the two circumstances, even if the train was self-inflicted, I really had no problem with it as I felt it evened out the previous week's vox shenanigans.

I'm not going to sit here and claim that DA is the embodiment of all that is good and true on P99; but as far as the Vox ordeal goes, I personally believe that DA did nothing wrong. As far as the training accusations and what not go, I personally have never been a part of said training (although there was one instance in which I admittedly could have looked pretty guilty... I have screenshots which don't prove, but definitely support my innocence) and have not witnessed it first hand. As a member of DA who has not witnessed this, I'm kind of curious who the Gorgetrapper guy is, and where he seems to get his endless amounts of information on both guilds. If you're a member of DA or IB, I'd be shocked. You need to stop presenting arguments like you have first hand experience to back them up; OR provide examples of the aforementioned first hand experience.

[Erasong]

Hahaha, man I wish I could be you tho. You seem so cool.

wow a whole 3 mins between responses? who takes what too seriously? go get some air. EQ isnt life dude.

[Nizzarr]

wow a whole 3 mins between responses? who takes what too seriously? go get some air. EQ isnt life dude.

What? Your officers and leaders doesnt share your opinion Erasong. Life is EQ for most of IB.

You know your guild has issues when you kick a returning members over a fucking vox eyepatch earned 3 months earlier. But hey, a bunch of sheeple surely cant stop the greed of their leaders. Have fun getting abused, IB apps!

Again, Thank you Wonton and Xzerion for showing me that your greed knows no bound! You saved me much time.

Remember, EQ isnt life dude. This statement sounds so true after you've threatened me with guildkick for not returning a well-earned vox eyepatch!

[Dabamf]

I like Jilena's post a lot. Not for the anti-DA content (though it's funny and true), but for the perspective it gives both sides. The actual escalation of 24/7 tracking to camping is understandable. DA was getting no mobs, so they did what they had to do (camp) to get mobs. Then IB got less than a majority for a week because it's impossible to beat a guild that is actually camping a boss, so we did what we had to do (camp) to retake them. Now the raid scene is fucking absurd because both guilds are camping raid mobs constantly, mostly afk, and unable to do anything else in game.

What I'd like to see is both guilds stop camping (for the love of god PLEASE stop camping) and afk tracking become difficult in the planes. You can still track naggy and vox, but on live you couldn't easily afk track fear or hate. Hate had safe spots, but the zone in was absolutely not safe. So while IB would still have advantage at vox/naggy due to proven quick mobilization, guilds that are actively clearing the planes have an advantage on those raid bosses by being in the zone already when they're spawning. Therefore the race is preserved but not dominated by any one factor.

Basically, if one factor determines who gets a raid boss, something is wrong. It shouldn't be who has the most dedicated druids, it shouldn't be who is camping the longest, it shouldn't be who happens to already exist in the zone; it should be a combination of factors.

And since this is a r&f post, fuck you

[Zexa]

8 months into the server a group of scrubs finally reaches raid readiness, camps a few raid mobs, and now they can't shut up about it.

I read this as "Hey remember when you pinned me down and skull fucked me all those months? Well guess what! I squirmed free and now you are the weakling!"

Welcome to the raid scene. Now shut the fuck up and act like you belong there.

[BlackBellamy]

fuck you if you think i'm reading your crop fail

[Erasong]

8 months into the server a group of scrubs finally reaches raid readiness, camps a few raid mobs, and now they can't shut up about it.

I read this as "Hey remember when you pinned me down and skull fucked me all those months? Well guess what! I squirmed free and now you are the weakling!"

Welcome to the raid scene. Now shut the fuck up and act like you belong there.

This isnt the words id use, or the tone id take, but i think this post was a big dose of stfu.

[astarothel]

Cyrano I think the prime difference is that DA/FB tries to do it within the rules and fairly.

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Is this why other guilds all load fraps the second that a DA member comes anywhere near them?

the attitudes and demeanor of many IB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

I think this thread proved this, and we know in favour of whom.

the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the general population of the server.

Point me to some other than the Divinity corpse camping one, and the clusterfuck that was raid rotations? The general population doesn't have to deal with them for the most part. Almost every complaint found about them is from DA/FB people, cause apparently they constitute 100% of the general server population.

DA on the other hand? I have _personally_ seen some DA members willing to move in on camps, KS, and train people to death or out of zones, and have even been a victim of this more than one time.

[Phallax]

Ive only been in DA for bout 2 weeks now. So I really cant argue either side, but I can argue for the 2 weeks Ive been there. I havnt seen anything out of either side other than...camping. The thing I can argue is while leveling and grinding I read more shit about IB via global and the boards. Never anything about DA untill this thread. So I think the server speaks for this arguement and is why I decided to join DA.

As for maturity. Anyone with past gaming experience know that posting on the boards and especially the rants and flames section are completely different than game actions 90% of the time. Its rants and flames its meant to get out of hand and turn into a pissing contest.

Discuss things with me in game, ill be more than happy to have a legitimate discussion and hear both sides maturly. But in rants in flames, Im gonna have my fun.

[Erasong]

Ive only been in DA for bout 2 weeks now. So I really cant argue either side, but I can argue for the 2 weeks Ive been there. I havnt seen anything out of either side other than...camping. The thing I can argue is while leveling and grinding I read more shit about IB via global and the boards. Never anything about DA untill this thread. So I think the server speaks for this arguement and is why I decided to join DA.

As for maturity. Anyone with past gaming experience know that posting on the boards and especially the rants and flames section are completely different than game actions 90% of the time. Its rants and flames its meant to get out of hand and turn into a pissing contest.

Discuss things with me in game, ill be more than happy to have a legitimate discussion and hear both sides maturly. But in rants in flames, Im gonna have my fun.

DA wasnt around long enough to honestly compare to IB as far as flaming and word of mouth went. Fish Bait is the guild youd be looking for there.

Closing argument Point taken. this is indeed the R and F forum and it is different then in game.

[Ripcord]

I'm in guild A and think all of guild B likes to fill their time using exploits and tactics they stole from us while having a cyber circle jerk and listening to n sync in their fat mother's double wide. We, on the other hand, are all super coolfaces who just want to have fun while dancing circles around all the hard raids, which don't actually take skill but suspect you guys secretly want to be filled with our winning sex fluids for beating the game. Also, GM favoritism. This thread is classic approved.

[Taxi]

Silly hats, ONLY

[astarothel]

in other news, Gorgetrapper's super secret anonymous internet identity was compromised in a separate and different thread. Oh the horror, the horror.

[Gorgetrapper]

in other news, Gorgetrapper's super secret anonymous internet identity was compromised in a separate and different thread. Oh the horror, the horror.

If people honestly don't know who I am by this point, they're pretty dense. I've posted multiple screenshots of my character around the forums multiple times.

And to answer you Loke, I've been on the receiving end of your guild's mob dropping/training from your monks. So don't act innocent in this shit.

[Shannacore]

Wait, who are you?

[Shannacore]

...Nevermind !

[Loke]

And to answer you Loke, I've been on the receiving end of your guild's mob dropping/training from your monks. So don't act innocent in this shit.

I don't know who you are because I honestly don't scour the forums 24/7. If I see a thread I find interesting or is in some manner related to me, I'll keep an eye on it; but I don't read the vast majority of the threads here. So sorry I don't know your super secret identity. That being said, I don't understand why people post under anon accounts. I have very little respect for people who are unwilling to stand behind what they say.

As far as DA training you, again you bring up these random generalizations. Please give me names and examples of when a monk from DA trained you. Until recently, the only monks in DA were Bronson and myself, and I know for a fact I have never trained another guild intentionally. This is one of those isntances where if I knew who you were and what guild you were a part of I'm confident that I either debunk or at least explain any of this "mob dropping/training" that our evil monks have done to you.

[jilena]

Jilena I think the prime difference is that IB tries to do it within the rules and fairly. DA/FB, in my experience, will employ any tactic to win including lying, training, leapfrogging, and attempting to KS.

Since I've been a member of IB, there has been one instance I feel we made the wrong choice and that involved Maestro and Remedy. To this day I regret that we didn't communicate our intentions regardless of our reasons for doing so which were misdirected at best.

On the other hand, I can't count the times I've seen DA/FB as a whole and as individuals purposely mislead players and GMs alike, train raids and groups, and blatantly try to leapfrog multiple guilds.

While you're right that there isn't a "good guy" in this race, the attitudes and demeanor of many DA/FB posters on these forums speak volumes for the truly massive gap between us in terms of maturity.

As you said, the horror stories of IB destroying this server come almost 100% from the mouth of DA/FB members. Again, I'm not pretending we haven't had our dark moments, but surely you recognize a difference in attitude and demeanor between the two parties

Well I wouldn't say it's just DA/FB who have hate for IB even though recently they seem to comprise the vocal majority of it. I have seen nasty comments directed you guys way by several members of other guilds as well as individual players who have had little to no interraction with you guys on a regular basis. I will agree that a good part of this could probably just be envy as you guys have been on top for a good while. I would guess though that some of it is also from people who have had a bad experience with you guys even if it's just you taking the raid target they wanted *shrug*

I have had a few "nuke first and sort it out later" experiences with IB members involving farming loot, but I have not had one where the sorting out part wasn't handled well. I have also seen IB members being somewhat rude while PLing in dungeons. Of course on the flip side in similar experiences with DA members they flat out lied to me about what they "saw" me doing and called me a liar for claiming rights to the camp I had been holding before they got there. *shrug*

In all honesty in my direct personal experience the IB members I have interracted with as a whole have been nicer, more considerate, and more helpful than anyone I have encountered in any other guild on this server. That said I have been in a serious business raiding guild before and you don't get to the top by being sweet and nice and innocent. The take what you want and fuck everyone else attitude is pretty much a requirement to remain in that position. So I will find it extremely hard to believe that IB has never exploited, KSed, leapfrogged, trained, etc when it was to their advantage and they thought they could get away with it.

BUTTTT.... To deny that DA is even more likely to do these things is ridiculous. Every single officer from every single guild (obv not counting IB) that raids that I have spoken with has claimed direct experience with DA people being douchebags doing everything from training, leapfrogging, etc to purposely porting members of their guild out of the zone and laughing about it afterward. No one has any reason to make ALL of this shit up. You guys haven't been around long enough to generate the kind of hate you receive through envy. One of the funniest things I have ever seen on here was some noob in NFP asking Daverick "Hey aren't you that guy everyone hates for training and KSing and being an asshole?! How did you get in a big guild like DA?!" Those of you new to the guild may have no experience with this as I think the value of this sort of asshattery has diminished a good deal now that you can just sit for days to win. *shrug*

One last thing. Whatever shit is talked about Raren in this thread, he is easily one of the nicer people I have met on this server and has always acted honorably even in situations where he could have easily have "stolen" an FBSS from me without breaking a single rule. Whether or not he is a skilled player I don't know I haven't really grouped with him, whether or not he has misplaced hate for IB because of his supposed rejection, again I don't know. Him being an asshole however has never been my experience.

[Durison]

Why do people keep referring FB to DA?
FB is about less than 30% of what DA is today. We didn't start reaching the flames for our success until a few weeks ago. So to clarify, DA is a different guild and should not be compared to FB. Live in the now.

[Gorgetrapper]

I don't know who you are because I honestly don't scour the forums 24/7. If I see a thread I find interesting or is in some manner related to me, I'll keep an eye on it; but I don't read the vast majority of the threads here. So sorry I don't know your super secret identity. That being said, I don't understand why people post under anon accounts. I have very little respect for people who are unwilling to stand behind what they say.

As far as DA training you, again you bring up these random generalizations. Please give me names and examples of when a monk from DA trained you. Until recently, the only monks in DA were Bronson and myself, and I know for a fact I have never trained another guild intentionally. This is one of those isntances where if I knew who you were and what guild you were a part of I'm confident that I either debunk or at least explain any of this "mob dropping/training" that our evil monks have done to you.

Jijika (not sure how its spelled, but that's the whore who constantly trained people)

[astarothel]

FB is about less than 30% of what DA is today.

Recruiting 30 people in a week would probably do that I'd think.

[Starklen]

Why do people keep referring FB to DA?
FB is about less than 30% of what DA is today. We didn't start reaching the flames for our success until a few weeks ago. So to clarify, DA is a different guild and should not be compared to FB. Live in the now.

Probably closer to 1%. I'm pulling for you to hit the century club on a raid.

[Raren]

Probably closer to 1%. I'm pulling for you to hit the century club on a raid.

How many people IB been recruiting? Starklen how u like being a bitch camping mobs ?

[Raren]

Recruiting 30 people in a week would probably do that I'd think.

Yeah it worked didnt it? and we actually have pretty good members in DA

[Peaches]

Jijika (not sure how its spelled, but that's the whore who constantly trained people)

Seconding Jijika. Horrible interactions with her in lguk. Went to sleep randomly while pulling mobs, could not split while FDing, made CCer die 3 times almost in a row with her horrible pulling, when asked to leave, did not. Then fell asleep.

Other people on list who have been pretty mean in general:

Acetyne or however you spell his name, training in SolB.
Daverick for trolling ooc when it was global.
Taichi(while in mostly harmless but still now in DA) refused to pull in Windows in solb because he "didn't know the zone." The next day he's pulling BnB and Royals perfectly. He didn't speak english that well one ngiht and was speaking perfectly the next. Shared character maybe? Maybe just drunk? Either way whatever.

I have had no bad interactions with anyone from IB at all. Most of them seem like pretty cool people. I can't 100% judge them when it comes to raids because I haven't gotten to that point, but in general: leveling and camping they've been cool.

DA has randomly train us while coming out of BnB many times from FGs. Not saying IB doesn't either, but at least IB calls the trains.

I'm not saying DA is comprised of just assholes, there are a lot of pretty awesome people:

Spoolie was awesome enough to rez late at night one night, Jeah is pretty kickass for drive-by buffing in royals a LOT, Phallax i've had good interactions with in groups.

Just saying, DA thus far has shown to have bad and good people. But the problem is, DA recruits pretty much everyone :p. There's like no background check sometimes it seems.

[Taluvill]

If most of DA was fish bait, I highly doubt many of our current members would have joined DA if most of it was fish bait.

Salty has a pretty bad rap, same with a lot of the players he brought with him.

[Vyal]

I was in DA for a while I can tell ya they don't really try to cause problems, it's weird I have had some of them tell me "Vyal if you only knew how IB was.." and they just want to do anything to stop IB from getting everyone spawn. They honestly do nothing in the game other then camp a single mob like 6 days outa the week 24 hours outa those days none helps anyone who needs it cause they don't want to drop below 15 in a zone. --- Their reasoning behind this is they want to let people who never get to do those mobs a chance.......
Alot of good people in DA, sadly alot of trashy , duochebaggy people also.

Don't join that guild if you don't want to ruin your new found p99 fun...

[Aadill]

I was in DA for a while I can tell ya they don't really try to cause problems, it's weird I have had some of them tell me "Vyal if you only knew how IB was.." and they just want to do anything to stop IB from getting everyone spawn. They honestly do nothing in the game other then camp a single mob like 6 days outa the week 24 hours outa those days none helps anyone who needs it cause they don't want to drop below 15 in a zone. --- Their reasoning behind this is they want to let people who never get to do those mobs a chance.......
Alot of good people in DA, sadly alot of trashy , duochebaggy people also.

Don't join that guild if you don't want to ruin your new found p99 fun...

Hi Vyal :)

[Jify]

I was in DA for a while I can tell ya they don't really try to cause problems, it's weird I have had some of them tell me "Vyal if you only knew how IB was.." and they just want to do anything to stop IB from getting everyone spawn.

If only you knew how IB was?

That's odd.. We get recruits from other guilds that go, "WTF. All the drama I heard from guild X regarding IB is actually backwards. Guild X is the one causing all the problems and IB is taking the blame."

Someone is always the turd, but no one can blame themselves. It sucks. :(

[Aadill]

Someone is always the turd, but no one can blame themselves. It sucks. :(

It happens.

The only guild to really watch out for on this server is Kimmie and Nalkin.

[jilena]

It happens.

The only guild to really watch out for on this server is Kimmie and Nalkin.

I have heard they are absolutely ruthless.

[Alawen Everywhere]

I have two points to I'd like to make.

First, we did not get 100% GM rezes on the bugged Vox. When we were given 30 minutes for another attempt, we had about six people alive in zone and I personally rezed most of the rest.

Second, I like cheese.

[Starklen]

How many people IB been recruiting? Starklen how u like being a bitch camping mobs ?

I like it as much as you do =P.

[Cyrano]

Loke, we weren't charming giants. Early in the fight we had an Icy Terror pop that continued to break mez (this was the new and improved Vox mind you so we weren't certain what to expect). At the point of that wipe DA did not have a presence in the zone, we were able to fully rez while vox ran down into king room and proceeded to stay there for 45 minutes while we attempted to get her out by sending pets in.

The fact that you guys felt inclined to call 30 minutes on as we stood there watching her fight and heal Ice Giants says a ton about the situation to me. On top of that, only the members who were summoned under the world and killed were retrieved and rezzed by Secrets (who your leader was telling we had wiped 3 times in the 30 minute span, which is ridiculous and you know it). You coming here admitting that you guys lied about the train last week because you felt we received unfair treatment also says a ton about your guild, beat IB at all costs regardless.

And Durison, so long as Modus is in your guild you guys are Fish Bait. That's my opinion and I don't give a fuck what you say.

[Phallax]

And Durison, so long as Modus is in your guild you guys are Fish Bait. That's my opinion and I don't give a fuck what you say.

You know what they say about opinions. Theyre like assholes, everyone has one.

and Alawen, I too like cheese!

[Alawen Everywhere]

I haven't noticed Modus raising hell lately. I think all this camping grinds everyone down until we can't even properly fuck with each other.

[Phallax]

For everyone talking about how many members DA bring/have on raids. Its classic. Maybe you forget the 72 member raid limit Verant/Sony put in and there were still outsiders?

[Ripcord]

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/147/l_fa3baa435fcb4c68826b812f7ebcf2d8.jpg

[fefifofum]

DONT HATE ON MODUS, he is awesome!

[Alawen Everywhere]

For everyone talking about how many members DA bring/have on raids. Its classic. Maybe you forget the 72 member raid limit Verant/Sony put in and there were still outsiders?

That was PoP era if I recall correctly. Modus has defined a zerg for classic as 40+.

Zergs are effective for a while until the pawns realize that they're pawns.

[Phallax]

That was PoP era if I recall correctly. Modus has defined a zerg for classic as 40+.

Zergs are effective for a while until the pawns realize that they're pawns.

Yea /raid wasnt actually put in untill then, but raids for sure went over this number in classic, easily.

[Cyrano]

I remember numbers first eclipsing 60 during Velious, prior to that 40ish seemed about norm for guild raids.

Pickup raids on the other hand...

[Beau]

Yea /raid wasnt actually put in untill then, but raids for sure went over this number in classic, easily.
Well, yes and no Phallax.

I can never remember any instance at any time that my guild ever had even close to that in a single raid and we dominated the content for many years. What I do remember is the competing guild would always pop in a few months later with massive numbers and overwhelm the content.

The point of the 72 was an attempt at tuning raid encounters. They actually discouraged zergs.

[Phallax]

Well, yes and no Phallax.

I can never remember any instance at any time that my guild ever had even close to that in a single raid and we dominated the content for many years. What I do remember is the competing guild would always pop in a few months later with massive numbers and overwhelm the content.

The point of the 72 was an attempt at tuning raid encounters. They actually discouraged zergs.

Yea true, on Tunare guild raiding didnt really happen much untill mid Kunark or closer to Velious, we raided as a server. Was pretty cool then. Wasnt untill Velious came when guild dominance and rotations were claimed. I think our first raid 72+ was vs Rallos Zek pit rushing him, he was a bitch to learn.

[Elysium]

Raren rages on eqemu and probably has no friends irl (http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31408)

[Phallax]

Raren rages on eqemu and probably has no friends irl (http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31408)

Nice troll, if you read the actual ooc theres talk of lvl 65 and bazaar. So def not even our server... GG tho

[Phallax]

Nice troll, if you read the actual ooc theres talk of lvl 65 and bazaar. So def not even our server... GG tho

Oh and youre in PoK

[Abacabb]

Nice troll, if you read the actual ooc theres talk of lvl 65 and bazaar. So def not even our server... GG tho

GMtitan/PEQ brah

I'm Pigre on there btw and that totally was Raren cause he's a bad motherfucker

[Phallax]

GMtitan/PEQ brah

I'm Pigre on there btw and that totally was Raren cause he's a bad motherfucker

Thats cute, still not our server so whats the point?

[Raren]

Raren rages on eqemu and probably has no friends irl (http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31408)

thats me?

[Humwawa]

It says Raren, doesn't it?

I think we can close the file on this one.

[gedeost]

Loke, we weren't charming giants. Early in the fight we had an Icy Terror pop that continued to break mez (this was the new and improved Vox mind you so we weren't certain what to expect). At the point of that wipe DA did not have a presence in the zone, we were able to fully rez while vox ran down into king room and proceeded to stay there for 45 minutes while we attempted to get her out by sending pets in.

The fact that you guys felt inclined to call 30 minutes on as we stood there watching her fight and heal Ice Giants says a ton about the situation to me. On top of that, only the members who were summoned under the world and killed were retrieved and rezzed by Secrets (who your leader was telling we had wiped 3 times in the 30 minute span, which is ridiculous and you know it). You coming here admitting that you guys lied about the train last week because you felt we received unfair treatment also says a ton about your guild, beat IB at all costs regardless.

And Durison, so long as Modus is in your guild you guys are Fish Bait. That's my opinion and I don't give a fuck what you say.

So for all the cheese skid marking skills you guys supposedly have, you got owned by a freaking Icy Terror.

GG noobs, it's time to delete the game.

[Loke]

Stuff.

If that indeed was the case, and you guys were not using charmed giants, then I stand corrected. My impression was that you were using a tactic in which you knew ran the risk of inducing a faction war.

[Prospect]

I was guilded with Durison and Modus once.

REMEMBER THOSE DAYS GUYS?

[Starklen]

Thats cute, still not our server so whats the point?

That you are in the company of an intellectual gladiator of the finest caliber.

[Bloodshot]

Yea true, on Tunare guild raiding didnt really happen much untill mid Kunark or closer to Velious, we raided as a server. Was pretty cool then. Wasnt untill Velious came when guild dominance and rotations were claimed. I think our first raid 72+ was vs Rallos Zek pit rushing him, he was a bitch to learn.

Really? Raided as a server? Somewhat I suppose, but seeing as we had roughly what? 7 able raiding guilds during the Kunark / Velious era? Talis, Vae, Tide, Star, Pia, Divine and a solid bunch of others pickup raiding, I remember it being a f-ing rat race most the time. Although fun nonetheless.

Don't mean to de-rail / troll in any sense. I apologize.

[Phallax]

Really? Raided as a server? Somewhat I suppose, but seeing as we had roughly what? 7 able raiding guilds during the Kunark / Velious era? Talis, Vae, Tide, Star, Pia, Divine and a solid bunch of others pickup raiding, I remember it being a f-ing rat race most the time. Although fun nonetheless.

Don't mean to de-rail / troll in any sense. I apologize.

Re-read what I posted then re-read what you posted. As I said It wasnt untill mid-late Kunark and Velious untill Guilds really started only raiding as guilds, untill then it was mostly server wide pick ups.
Who were you btw? I was Phallax/Razoric in Talisman.

[Phallax]

Re-read what I posted then re-read what you posted. As I said It wasnt untill mid-late Kunark and Velious untill Guilds really started only raiding as guilds, untill then it was mostly server wide pick ups.
Who were you btw? I was Phallax/Razoric in Talisman.

And Pia wasnt even around untill Velious and DC didnt turn into a raiding guild late Velious.

[Bloodshot]

Figured that much =P. I remember yah. Yah you're right, its been awhile. I was Distance (necro) in Pia. Quit shortly after Pia and Divine joined forces. Trying to find time to start up again, just doesnt seem feasible with the hours im keeping right now. Gotta love Wall Street.

[xorbier]

A new sheriff's in town. Step aside IB!

This is exactly like the competition back in the day! I love it!

[jilena]

I don't remember the vagina factor being this high back in the day. Maybe that was just me. I mean people prolly QQed even more back then, but nothing was done about it which was prolly my favorite thing about EQ.

[Stunnah]

Guild Merger IMO! Dark Inglourious Ascension Bastards!!

[Phallax]

Guild Merger IMO! Dark Inglourious Ascension Bastards!!

If we were to merger itd be called <Clusterfuck> for sure.

[Shannacore]

If we were to merger itd be called <Clusterfuck> for sure.

ha.
that!

[Stunnah]

that or <Douchebaggery>

[xorbier]

It was like this on Fennin Ro for sure. In fact it got worse come Kunark/Velious. And by worse i mean more fun!

[Gorgetrapper]

So Loke, why are you dodging me now that I pointed out what douchebag monk was constantly training people?

[Armin34]

So Loke, why are you dodging me now that I pointed out what douchebag monk was constantly training people?

Who is this no-name guy? He must be very important.

[astarothel]

Who is this no-name guy? He must be very important.

Says someone else without a character name in their forum signature.

[Modus]

You guys started this trend and we're simply having to abide by the server rules

Wrong.

I think the prime difference is that IB tries to do it within the rules and fairly.

Laughably wrong.

Loke, we weren't charming giants.

Wrong. You charmed giants to create the faction war. I was there:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=16821&pictureid=396520

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=16821&pictureid=396511

you guys lied about the train last week

Wrong again. Loke, the person you screenshotted "admitting" the train was on our end, wasn't even present or in the zone! The screenshot clearly shows him guessing at what probably happened.

And Durison, so long as Modus is in your guild you guys are Fish Bait.

If you were a dinosaur, your name would be Wrongosaurus. I was against the Salty clique & Fish Bait from the beginning, as I had seen the unethical leadership practices of Fish Bait on VZ/TZ.

Once again, you prove you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

People know that now. Go away troll.

No cheating necessary:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=16821&pictureid=396534

No exploits utilized:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=16821&pictureid=396535

[Erasong]

Modus make Baziir come back =(

[Aadill]

No exploits utilized:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=16821&pictureid=396535

Lady Vox isn't red!


hax

[Loke]

Wrong again. Loke, the person you screenshotted "admitting" the train was on our end, wasn't even present or in the zone! The screenshot clearly shows him guessing at what probably happened.


Ok, where is this screenshot and why is this the first I'm hearing of it? I think I'm going to have to have a conversation with some "friends" of mine.

[Bossco]

Loke, I took it. It says exactly what you think it says. It was a really dick thing for me to betray your confidence, and while I did regret having to do so, it did have to be done.

It was also a dick act for you guys to lie to the GM's about who started the train in order to not lose your claim to Vox. As far as I understand it, that screen shot was the only reason we got the first go at Vox =/

Of course, we blew our chance at vox like a bunch of noobs, thus allowing you guys to tie us for the week...all in all, not so hot.

So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is this: I've got no ill will towards you Loke. In fact, I like you a lot. However, if you are going to flat out admit to me in tells that your guild is lying to GM's in order to gain an upper hand against my guild, I'm gonna have to screen shot it.

[Phallax]

Loke, I took it. It says exactly what you think it says. It was a really dick thing for me to betray your confidence, and while I did regret having to do so, it did have to be done.

It was also a dick act for you guys to lie to the GM's about who started the train in order to not lose your claim to Vox. As far as I understand it, that screen shot was the only reason we got the first go at Vox =/

Of course, we blew our chance at vox like a bunch of noobs, thus allowing you guys to tie us for the week...all in all, not so hot.

So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is this: I've got no ill will towards you Loke. In fact, I like you a lot. However, if you are going to flat out admit to me in tells that your guild is lying to GM's in order to gain an upper hand against my guild, I'm gonna have to screen shot it.

Good ole betrayel for pixels at its finest. Shows character Bossco, true character.

[Raren]

Loke, I took it. It says exactly what you think it says. It was a really dick thing for me to betray your confidence, and while I did regret having to do so, it did have to be done.

It was also a dick act for you guys to lie to the GM's about who started the train in order to not lose your claim to Vox. As far as I understand it, that screen shot was the only reason we got the first go at Vox =/

Of course, we blew our chance at vox like a bunch of noobs, thus allowing you guys to tie us for the week...all in all, not so hot.

So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is this: I've got no ill will towards you Loke. In fact, I like you a lot. However, if you are going to flat out admit to me in tells that your guild is lying to GM's in order to gain an upper hand against my guild, I'm gonna have to screen shot it.

Wow and this is why u cant trust any cocksucker in IB

Go fuck urself Bossco

[Erasong]

Wow and this is why u cant trust any cocksucker in IB

Go fuck urself Bossco

=(

[Taxi]

What a fuckin headache for GMs lol they should just let people train each other in there and see who comes out on top.

[Aadill]

whut

So a lie was corrected and the mob was still killed?

[Aadill]

whut

So a lie was corrected and the mob was still killed?


an "untruth"

[Alawen Everywhere]

If you are claiming that either of those screenshots are from our first attempt, Modus, then you are guilty of causing the problem, as established by the precedent of our rogue watching you wipe on Innoruuk and subsequently being used as your reason for why you should have a second attempt.

Now if you want to know what really happened, here it is. I was at the first fight on Alawen. This was the first spawn of the buffed Vox. In the interest of keeping things exciting for other guilds, I won't explain the buffs, but suffice to say that she was tough enough to fight a substantial IB force until we ran out of mana and wiped. At the point we wiped, no other force was in zone.

I had played my druid because he was already in Permafrost. After the wipe, I switched to Daire and began running. We rezed, but someone had charmed something during the fight--I think it was a tentacle add--and started a faction war. Vox was beating down on it and then complete healing it. Apparently she feared it all over and into adds while we were recovering.

So here we are, back at raid force and buffed, but Vox has feared something through the geometry and under the world. Eventually we managed to kill everything she was fighting and complete healing, but by this point about another half hour had passed, giving Dark Ascension time to gather in zone. We were trying to pull her out of the wall with no success. First our tanks were summoned and died, then our clerics. We started to camp at this point, and a small handful made it out.

There was no grand exploit unless you consider a wipe followed by a trapped mob and players getting summoned under the world a desirable outcome.

This is the point where Secrets showed up and took control of the situation. Any argument you have with the outcome of that event is a blatant showing of disrespect for the judgement calls of the staff.

Regardless of what attempt that was Modus, it has been established that members of opposing forces do not belong in another guild's camp during a boss fight. Why were you breaking the rules?

[Starklen]

No exploits utilized:



Too bad your guild is too big to fit in a screenshot.

[Ripcord]

wow someone archive this epic thread

[Phallax]

Too bad your guild is too big to fit in a screenshot.

a troll will be a troll

[Loke]

Loke, I took it. It says exactly what you think it says. It was a really dick thing for me to betray your confidence, and while I did regret having to do so, it did have to be done.

It was also a dick act for you guys to lie to the GM's about who started the train in order to not lose your claim to Vox. As far as I understand it, that screen shot was the only reason we got the first go at Vox =/

Of course, we blew our chance at vox like a bunch of noobs, thus allowing you guys to tie us for the week...all in all, not so hot.

So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is this: I've got no ill will towards you Loke. In fact, I like you a lot. However, if you are going to flat out admit to me in tells that your guild is lying to GM's in order to gain an upper hand against my guild, I'm gonna have to screen shot it.

I'm really glad that you have no ill will towards me; ofcourse, that would make sense seing as how I'm not the person who decided a shot at getting vox was more important than not betraying a friend.

I don't remember what exactly I said, because when I'm talking to friends I'm generally not taking screenshots or carefully choosing every word. Generally I give my honest opinions and expect the same back from those people I'm talking to. Even people I'm not that close with generally accept the fact that private conversations stay private. However, I'm fairly confident that what Modus says is true, seeing as how I wasn't present when the train happened and I was simply stating (as I previously did in this thread) my opinion of what probably happened. I don't think I flat out admitted anything, so don't play this whole "crime of indifference" bullshit on me. Everything I said in tells to you about vox I had no problem admitting in a previous post in this thread, before I knew that you were passing around pictures of our conversation.

I think everyone involved in this whole DA vs. IB thing that knows me would agree that despite being a DA member, I'm pretty fair to IB and will admit when DA was in the wrong. Furthermore, I don't go out of my way to escalate shit and have been nothing short of cordial in every situation, be it on raids or just hanging around EC or something. So I guess that is why I'm so surprised that you felt the need to backstab me, and then go one step further and pretend that you didn't.

That "mistell" that you sent me after the whole Vox thing went down apologizing makes a lot more sense now. You were right, I really have no desire to talk to you anymore. It's kind of appropriate that this happen in a thread about Raren, because it wasn't even 3 weeks ago that I was defending Bossco in guildchat to Raren who implied that he wouldn't trust Bossco.

I couldn't really care less about the rest of this IB vs. DA bullshit. We're going to fight over mobs; sometimes you guys will win, sometimes we will. This isn't ever going to change. I never let the guild drama get in the way of my personal interactions with other players; guess it's just surprising to me that other people don't view shit the same way. Good luck powergaming and backstabbing your way to the top... maybe some day you can be the best geared and least truthworthy shaman on the server! Half-way there guy!

[Cyrano]

Wrong.



Laughably wrong.



Wrong. You charmed giants to create the faction war. I was there:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=16821&pictureid=396520

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=16821&pictureid=396511



Wrong again. Loke, the person you screenshotted "admitting" the train was on our end, wasn't even present or in the zone! The screenshot clearly shows him guessing at what probably happened.



If you were a dinosaur, your name would be Wrongosaurus. I was against the Salty clique & Fish Bait from the beginning, as I had seen the unethical leadership practices of Fish Bait on VZ/TZ.

Once again, you prove you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

People know that now. Go away troll.

No cheating necessary:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=16821&pictureid=396534

No exploits utilized:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=16821&pictureid=396535

As you can tell Vox was already bugged and in the wall at the time when that IG was charmed to try and get her out. That's called being proactive in the face of a doucebag 30 minutes being called.

B-U-N-T...in perfect cursive. Got any more brainbusters Modus?

[Alawen Everywhere]

I'm not sure what to say here except that this is a shame that Loke and Bossco are on the outs over this. DA leadership lied to get a second try at Innoruuk. I think everyone with a clue in both guilds knows this. To call Bossco untrustworthy because he was put into a situation where he was forced to choose between betraying a confidence or helping to conceal a lie against his guild is a pretty raw deal for him. Not that I wouldn't be upset if I were in Loke's position. The whole situation sucks.

[Starklen]

a troll will be a troll

You shouldn't act so embarrassed. I'm happy you've found a formula that will allow you to succeed.

[Cyrano]

Oh and one more thing. Modus you have trained us on multiple occasions. We had a Naggy raid in the past six weeks where you trained us multiple times while clearing FGs. The fact that Durison has seen screenshots of this and done nothing is why your guild will continue to be Fish Bait in my mind.

You're a liar and a cheater. You weren't there when we wiped to Vox originally, those screenshots you posted were from the king room. When have we ever pulled her down there to fight? I'm not going to say that you're "laughably wrong" because you're just flat out lying to gain an edge. That in and of itself is the difference between us. When you have an agenda you will do anything - ANYTHING - to beat other guilds.

I would like to reiterate that this post is directed solely at Modus.

[Phallax]

I'm not sure what to say here except that this is a shame that Loke and Bossco are on the outs over this. DA leadership lied to get a second try at Innoruuk. I think everyone with a clue in both guilds knows this. To call Bossco untrustworthy because he was put into a situation where he was forced to choose between betraying a confidence or helping to conceal a lie against his guild is a pretty raw deal for him. Not that I wouldn't be upset if I were in Loke's position. The whole situation sucks.

It shows Bossco's true character, I dont even know the guy but the few times Ive seen him interact hes seemed like a pretty shadey guys. As Loke said, sometimes we'll win, sometimes you'll win. To risk friendship over 1 target is pretty insane and says alot. I keep my privacy private, I wouldnt go backstabbing a friend just because thier in a rival guild to get my shot at a target. Id just let things happen and what happens happens. No if Bossco and Loke werent on "friendship" status then taking a SS wouldnt be that big of a deal but Loke fully trusted him being IB or not, that sais alot about Loke and alot more about Bossco.

[astarothel]

I'm not sure what to say here except that this is a shame that Loke and Bossco are on the outs over this. DA leadership lied to get a second try at Innoruuk. I think everyone with a clue in both guilds knows this. To call Bossco untrustworthy because he was put into a situation where he was forced to choose between betraying a confidence or helping to conceal a lie against his guild is a pretty raw deal for him. Not that I wouldn't be upset if I were in Loke's position. The whole situation sucks.

Loke is a pretty cool guy. That being said the whole situation was pretty not cool, especially now that more details are coming out. Bossco's choice was his own, and one many people might have trouble deciding between, because it's the choice of one friend, or a guild which (I can only assume) he has other friends in.

[astarothel]

To risk friendship over 1 target is pretty insane and says alot.

And to not say anything and betray your friends in your guild? Also pretty crappy man. There's no easily defined OMG RIGHT/WRONG choice here.

[Erasong]

And to not say anything and betray your friends in your guild? Also pretty crappy man. There's no easily defined OMG RIGHT/WRONG choice here.

My hope is Loke and Bossco can get past this and just not discuss anything guild related in the future that can be compromising. excuse the poor spelling.

[Taxi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB0AiZMgjRY

[Phallax]

My hope is Loke and Bossco can get past this and just not discuss anything guild related in the future that can be compromising. excuse the poor spelling.

Your spelling is pretty solid no excuse =)

As for Bossco, the one thing I will give him, is. At least he was man enough to step up and take the blame and admit his to his actions. For that he has some respect from me.

[Gwence]

My hope is that Phallax continues to add his 2 cents on EVERY SINGLE POST from now on. His commentary is edge of your seat awesome!

[spoolie]

I have nothing to add, but man why does everquest bring out the baby drama for yo mamma out. I swear ive played multiple MMO since EQ and by far time and time again can't touch the eq drama with a stick

[Cyrano]

I think there is a right/wrong choice here, don't ask your guildies to lie over a mob. This is the same group of leadership that told Secrets we wiped to the bugged Vox 3 times after they called 30 minutes. Lucky for us we had Secrets in vent trying to help us problem solve getting Vox out of the wall and the lie was caught immediately. This led to their raid leader coming into our vent to meet with Xzerion/Secrets where he was called out on it and backed off so we could get a fair shot once she was out of the wall.

Or how about the raid where Xzerion and Durison were in tells and the 30 minutes was established on CT months ago only to have Durison pretend the conversation never took place and say he wasn't the raid leader so they could claim our 30 minutes was invalid once they took too long to pull? This was the same raid where they charmed the last mob in Fear then broke it to claim "The zone isn't clear!" after the 30 minutes was agreed upon. Do you still wonder why many of us take screen shots when in tells with FB/DA?

I have no qualms about why there is bad blood here. I've never seen my guild be anything but fair to these guys only to repeatedly hear them flat out lie to GMs, on forums, and to our faces. I've seen them train us, attempt to KS (Transcendence and Divintiy can both confirm), and then train themselves only to use that as ammo that we somehow did it.

At the same time, I won't pretend our history has been squeeky clean. I already admitted my disdain at the way the situation with Remedy was handled months ago but I have yet to see that occur a second time.

[Loke]

I wasn't lying for my guild or to GMs. I simply told a friend that my OPINION was that IB probably wasn't involved in DA wiping. I had no problem admitting that. If IB leadership had asked me about it I probably would have told them the same thing. My opinion is my opinion and I've never had a problem with sharing it with anyone. That being said, my opinion isn't proof. I had nothing aside from personal experience and intuition to back that opinion up. If a screenshot of me stating an opinion was what got you dibs on a mob, I'm astounded that that was all it took.

My problem with Bossco is that he distributed screenshots of a private conversation without asking/telling me. It wasn't the content of the screenshot, just the act itself that bothers me. Furthermore, he tried to apologize for it, but upon realizing that I didn't know about it, he pretended the apology was a mistell and continued to act like my friend.

My hope is Loke and Bossco can get past this and just not discuss anything guild related in the future that can be compromising. excuse the poor spelling.

I don't see this happening. Every one of my friends in a competing guild knows that I would never put guild drama infront of a friendship. If I can't trust a person enough to keep personal conversations private, then they're not a person I want as a friend.