just got SC2

[Knuckle]

havent played an RTS in years, do I need to hire an asian to play for me?

[Waffen]

no, youtube/google sc2 strats and you'll be good. everyone mimics the same builds the "pros" use anway.

[Chanur]

Only if you want to be good. Pretty fun game enjoy!

[Diggles]

SC2 gonna be rough on knuckle because he can't call his guildmates to save him in a 1v1 match

[burkemi5]

don't be a noob. just work your way slowly up the ladder like every other noob.

[Cwall]

knuckle i am pretty good at sc2, master league zerg

i will show you the ways

add me, rgnCwall.336

[Xatava]

people still play this game?

[pickled_heretic]

people still play this game?

lmao

more people still play the first starcraft than people who play emulated, non emulated, eq, eq2 all combined

[Daldaen]

I hate how people are bitches on SC2. You run a non standard build and surprise them they call you a "cheese noob" or something else of that sort. Which I find lols because many of the pros will switch it up and do stuff like that. Atleast they did all the time in SC1

People have no imagination :/.

[pickled_heretic]

I hate how people are bitches on SC2. You run a non standard build and surprise them they call you a "cheese noob" or something else of that sort. Which I find lols because many of the pros will switch it up and do stuff like that. Atleast they did all the time in SC1

People have no imagination :/.

the idea is, playing a straight up macro game is the game from which all other builds derive from, so it should be the type of game you practice the most. people get irritated when they come to practice a macro game and get cheesed by a double gate zealot proxy or cannon rush, it's understandable.

after all, i've never really had an epic game that started from cheese unless the cheese was a wash for both of us and we both reverted to a macro playstyle.

but yeah, people really should practice against all types of cheese and be able to handle them well. so the bitching is mostly unfounded. i guess the only player that i am irritated by is someone who does nothing BUT use the same cheese strat every game they play.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

if you don't prevent cheese you get cheesed. not sure how people find the balls to complain about sucking to their opponent.

[Knuckle]

I don't plan on playing SC2 competitively, I've always liked RTS's from a sim perspective, I like building massive armies at my own pace and usually play Terran or Protoss, I like how insanely well Terran can turtle up, but I don't know if that's still the case in SC2. So far have completed 3 missions on the campaign, retardedly easy on normal difficulty, will probably play back through on the harder difficulties.

[Knuckle]

Cwall I shall add u friend, I'll probably play through the campaign before doing online play tho :)

[pickled_heretic]

I don't plan on playing SC2 competitively, I've always liked RTS's from a sim perspective, I like building massive armies at my own pace and usually play Terran or Protoss, I like how insanely well Terran can turtle up, but I don't know if that's still the case in SC2. So far have completed 3 missions on the campaign, retardedly easy on normal difficulty, will probably play back through on the harder difficulties.

if anything they are even more defensive than they were in sc1. depots can be lowered, bunkers can be recycled, and they are still the kings of ranged weaponry. in every metagame situation they have some unit or ability that forces the enemy to move in close to engage.

[Knuckle]

I've only used medics, marines, and bunkers so far so looking forward to seeing what new units are unleashed. I might even give zerg a chance but I usually hated playing them because I like less units with more power.

[pickled_heretic]

less units with more power.

protoss then imo. once you get a deathball going (consisting of 4-5 colossi, a flock of stalkers and a sprinkle of high temps and/or sentries), there's very little that can stop you, especially in the lower leagues. in terms of unit / supply cost there's really nothing that can beat it in a straight brawl.

[Lulz Sect]

Build these. Win. You're welcome.

http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/0/02/Carrier_SC2_Cncpt1.jpg

[Knuckle]

Yeah I've done carrier swarms back on SC1. Fun stuff. I have no idea what the FUCK the guy before him said. Yes I do know the balance of power per unit is Protoss > Terran > Zerg but I also like the defensive nature of the Terran. I have an equal love for Protoss Terran. My life for auir/jim raynor.

[burkemi5]

protoss then imo. once you get a deathball going (consisting of 4-5 colossi, a flock of stalkers and a sprinkle of high temps and/or sentries), there's very little that can stop you, especially in the lower leagues. in terms of unit / supply cost there's really nothing that can beat it in a straight brawl.

this would take a long ass time and if your opponent was good you would be dead before you could do this

[pickled_heretic]

this would take a long ass time and if your opponent was good you would be dead before you could do this

assuming you don't build a single unit until you can start producing colossi, of course you will die. experience will teach you what the proper pacing of the game is, and how many units you have to produce to stay alive until you can forge your army of death.

[pickled_heretic]

Yeah I've done carrier swarms back on SC1. Fun stuff. I have no idea what the FUCK the guy before him said. Yes I do know the balance of power per unit is Protoss > Terran > Zerg but I also like the defensive nature of the Terran. I have an equal love for Protoss Terran. My life for auir/jim raynor.

okay let me break it down for you.

colossus is a massive robotic unit that is targetable by both air and ground attacks. it has a huge aoe that hits for massive damage and will rape practically anything on the ground. with its upgrade, it has the 2nd longest range in the game next to siege tanks and can outrange any defensive tower.

stalker is roughly equivalent to a sc1 dragoon, with a bit less hp and damage, but it has a researchable short-range teleport called blink.

these two units when combined cover each other's weaknesses very well and as far as cost comparisons go this unit comp is probably the best in the game overall. it requires very little micro and control to manage this army effectively, and because of this it is easy to throw in and control a few casters to the mix (such as high templar, sentries).

there are good solid counters to it generally consisting of ranging the colossi with vikings, or using infestors, but you won't really see them until you get into platinum/diamond league and above.

[Daldaen]

Marauders plow both of those units pretty well. A Marauder / Medivac / Viking force would own that pretty hard.

[Ames]

havent played an RTS in years, do I need to hire an asian to play for me?

I would suggest going Zerg for holocaust members. You will be in your own element

[pickled_heretic]

Marauders plow both of those units pretty well. A Marauder / Medivac / Viking force would own that pretty hard.

of course now we're opening up metagame discussions. I'M NOT SAYING THIS COMPOSITION IS UNCOUNTERABLE.

you would think that marauders would beat this since they counter each unit seperately. however, marauders don't really beat this composition straight up, the aoe damage is just too strong if the marauders can't reach the colossi (e.g. being blocked by stalkers). medivac heal is a drop in the bucket. if you're using sentries effectively it can be quite trivial to keep marauders at the perfect distance for massive colossi aoe as well.

what a terran has to do is bait the stalkers into overextending themselves by sniping with vikings, and then engage the forces separately. or at the very least he has to switch to double viking production early enough to brute force his way through the colossi.

this is all way more complicated than knuckle probably cares to hear. i'm just saying that the protoss deathball is the force to beat in the late game and it sounds like that would be the most appropriate tactic given his stated preferences, e.g. late game powerful units.

[pickled_heretic]

and i thought i should quote this again since it seems you missed it the first time around.


there are good solid counters to it generally consisting of ranging the colossi with vikings, or using infestors, but you won't really see them until you get into platinum/diamond league and above.

[Knuckle]

I would suggest going Zerg for holocaust members. You will be in your own element

8 toons > 150 = zerg?

Or Protoss > zerg

Pretty sure that makes my warrior a Carrier or Archon.

[pickled_heretic]

8 toons > 150 = zerg?

Or Protoss > zerg

Pretty sure that makes my warrior a Carrier or Archon.

carriers owned pretty hard by hydras or corruptors, i'd be an archon if i were you

[Lulz Sect]

I would suggest going Zerg for holocaust members. You will be in your own element

http://i.imgur.com/RwTyD.jpg

[Ames]

8 toons > 150 = zerg?

Or Protoss > zerg

Pretty sure that makes my warrior a Carrier or Archon.

ZvP


6 Pool rush, Send in a scout asap 2 try and delay building of their Gateway or steal their extractor to delay stalkers or to prevent them from walling themselves in. Intill you get into the higher leagues this strat will pretty much win everytime. If you don't outright win, build an overlord and a roach warren while sending more zerglings to re-enforce the first wave and to keep on the pressure.

6 Pool is also great against ZvZ. I would suggest against it while vs Terran.



& lul, not talking about some FFA pvp event. How many are on page 2 batman?

[Masq]

ill teach you sc2 if you give me gold, okay?

[Masq]

ps carriers are garbage

[baub]

ps carriers are garbage

lol yup. these aint sc:bw carriers

my advice for big knuckle:

1. don't play as protoss
2. do what koreans do

if you have any rts background at all you'll be masters in a week

[pickled_heretic]

lol yup. these aint sc:bw carriers

my advice for big knuckle:

1. don't play as protoss
2. do what koreans do

if you have any rts background at all you'll be masters in a week

protoss is not a particularly difficult race to learn.

[Cwall]

ZvP


6 Pool rush, Send in a scout asap 2 try and delay building of their Gateway or steal their extractor to delay stalkers or to prevent them from walling themselves in. Intill you get into the higher leagues this strat will pretty much win everytime. If you don't outright win, build an overlord and a roach warren while sending more zerglings to re-enforce the first wave and to keep on the pressure.

6 Pool is also great against ZvZ. I would suggest against it while vs Terran.



& lul, not talking about some FFA pvp event. How many are on page 2 batman?

i hope you don't actually play zerg

this is some terrible advice; current PvZ metagame is forge fast expand or nexus first, so wasting money on an extractor when you're 6pooling makes no sense, and even then, are you planning on stealing both of their gas? stalkers can be easily made on 1 gas

also, 6pool is only viable ZvZ if they go hatch first and even then with good control the other player can stop it

anyway, knuckle, terran still has great ability to turtle in sc2. imo, the best terran is one who turtles and constantly harasses with drops.

[Knuckle]

i hope you don't actually play zerg

this is some terrible advice; current PvZ metagame is forge fast expand or nexus first, so wasting money on an extractor when you're 6pooling makes no sense, and even then, are you planning on stealing both of their gas? stalkers can be easily made on 1 gas

also, 6pool is only viable ZvZ if they go hatch first and even then with good control the other player can stop it

anyway, knuckle, terran still has great ability to turtle in sc2. imo, the best terran is one who turtles and constantly harasses with drops.

we should play some newbie multiplayers bro while I get up to speed. Im actually kinda excited to play I just dont want to get put into cocaine induced korean league playing with you.

[Diggles]

I haven't played seriously in about a year maybe i should join ya

[Knuckle]

knuckle i am pretty good at sc2, master league zerg

i will show you the ways

add me, rgnCwall.336

added pal

[Knuckle]

wait nope. my username is knuckle or knuckle87. add me

[Cwall]

wait nope. my username is knuckle or knuckle87. add me

when you log onto battle.net, hover your mouse over your portrait. it should say your character code, which will be a 3 digit number. i need that in order to add you.

for example, mine is 336 so i would say my name is rgnCwall.336

the reason for character codes is so people can have the same name while still able to be distinguished from one another.

[Masq]

lol yup. these aint sc:bw carriers

my advice for big knuckle:

1. don't play as protoss
2. do what koreans do

if you have any rts background at all you'll be masters in a week

protoss is probably the easist to play for someone either new to RTS or new to SC2.

[baub]

protoss is probably the easist to play for someone either new to RTS or new to SC2.

Never said it was hard ;p

I will say it is extremely fragile though ~

[burkemi5]

protoss is probably the easist to play for someone either new to RTS or new to SC2.

why do people think this? IMO their most basic unit (zealot) is much worse than any others, based on how slow they are. it is extremely easy to kite an army of lots with half as many marines or just run past said army with a bunch of zerlings. i feel that protoss requires the player to balance economy and spending much more than the other races since the units cost so much more. i don't feel that any race is easier than the others; OP, if you want to be good, just roll as random and learn every race.

[Daldaen]

That's why you get chargelots. And your starting army should always include quite a few sentries if you are going up against terran/zerg to force field and prevent zerglings from being able to surround, roaches to split their force in half, marines/marauders to split their force in half.

Zealots are weak against being kited but thats why you need sentries to go along with them.

[Diggles]

protoss is the easiest to play, hardest to master.

being able to micro a protoss army shows so much skill

[Masq]

No, protoss micro is fairly simple and straight forward.
The reason I said protoss is the best newbie race is because micro does not matter at all as a newbie. 99% of the people you face will a-move units (this is true until mid masters) and focusing more on macro will allow you to improve much quicker.

Protoss macro mechanic is simply a lot more forgiving than terran or zerg.

[Feachie]

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i tech to templars and expand early so i can afford to warp them in peoples face.

[Daldaen]

<3 protoss players who are pro at microing templars and sentries psi storms/force fields.

[Diggles]

No, protoss micro is fairly simple and straight forward.
The reason I said protoss is the best newbie race is because micro does not matter at all as a newbie. 99% of the people you face will a-move units (this is true until mid masters) and focusing more on macro will allow you to improve much quicker.

Protoss macro mechanic is simply a lot more forgiving than terran or zerg.

compare Protoss sentry/templar macro to bioball stutterstep.

[Diggles]

and by sentry templar macro i mean sentry/templar micro >.>

[Masq]

compare Protoss sentry/templar macro to bioball stutterstep.

i did, and its not even close :P

[Knuckle]

can u still swarm hydras and zerglings like a faggot on quick maps?

[Daldaen]

Hydra's aren't used that commonly in gameplay that I've seen. People either swarm zerglings, roaches, or broodlords generally. Corrupters / Queens are the usual zerg counters to air attacks.

[Diggles]

hydraroaches are a good 4v4 comp but that's it

[Diggles]

i did, and its not even close :P

I can stutterstep in my sleep, having to tab between hightemps and sentries and deploying your powers just right is a lot more challenging

[burkemi5]

can u still swarm hydras and zerglings like a faggot on quick maps?

hydras take a lot more money than they used to and are slow as shit unless you get upgrades / spread creep. you have much to learn young grasshopper

[pickled_heretic]

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i tech to templars and expand early so i can afford to warp them in peoples face.

tech to templar and 4gate allin are mutually exclusive. do you even know what sc2 is?

[pickled_heretic]

can u still swarm hydras and zerglings like a faggot on quick maps?

ironically, zerg is the weakest, slowest race at the beginning. if you want to gogogogog zerg rush the best bet is probably 4 rax marine allin or 10/15 gate zealot rush.

[Diggles]

roach rush wants a word with you heretic

[Masq]

Hydras are a lot more common now in PvZ, and see some use in ZvZ depending on spawn locations and openers. However it's not remotely as common as 3hatch/5hatch hydra in broodwar.

and Diggle, we should play. I'll even play protoss just for you ;x

[Diggles]

I haven't played in literally a year. I don't even think it's installed on this computer

[pickled_heretic]

roach rush wants a word with you heretic

roach rush was like, beta era. if nobody scouts and just plays standard, terran is going to have marauders and protoss is going to have stalkers, both of those units dump on roaches for cost. since we're talking about early game, zerg doesn't have any economic advantage that makes spamming roaches a viable tactic.

tl;dr: early roaches? come on man, this is 2011.

[Diggles]

7RR is dead now? that's a shame.

it was viable when i was playing around novem-decem 2010

[pickled_heretic]

7RR is dead now? that's a shame.

it was viable when i was playing around novem-decem 2010

anything is viable up until plat or low diamond as long as it resembles a cohesive strategy. but if you are looking for a race to carry you with some kinda cheesy early rush i really think terran or protoss are way stronger choices, especially marine spam, which is way more microable than lings or zealots, or even roaches and stalkers pre - blink.

[Diggles]

korean 4gate was my favorite

[pickled_heretic]

korean 4gate was my favorite

4 gate will get you into master league.

[Daldaen]

So I just downloaded this again and started playing... did they fuck up something with the zoom? I feel like I'm zoomed way too far in / the units and buildings are way too fucking big. I don't recall it being this zoomed in (this is with mouse wheel enabled and zoomed out maximum).

Did they patch and make the zoom really fucking gay or something?

[Masq]

4 gate will get you into master league.

grandmaster*
and i dont think theyve changed the way camera works

[Knuckle]

Seriously?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/race/terran/

Where is the medic/goliath?
Are they not available in multiplayer? That's pretty gaaaaay.

[Sextar]

Medivac. Es flying medic that carries people

[Daldaen]

http://images.brighthub.com/d2/1/d211b8f845503aa800b96ea9afcac5d07a188d2a_large.jpg
^That is what I recall when I used to play.

But when I play its way more zoomed in and I can't figure out how to change it.

[Knuckle]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh4/estrang87/lolterran.png

almost done with campaign, took full advantage of this mission to make my death army =) My spectre had over 80 solo kills and my ultralisks doesnt afraid of anything.

[Nirgon]

http://images.brighthub.com/d2/1/d211b8f845503aa800b96ea9afcac5d07a188d2a_large.jpg
^That is what I recall when I used to play.

But when I play its way more zoomed in and I can't figure out how to change it.

Middle mouse wheel or screen resolution

[Nirgon]

For you Knuckle, I present: "The Archon Toilet:

http://www.youtube.com/user/HuskyStarcraft?blend=21&ob=5
26:25 in.

[Masq]

streaming some ladder on korea and north america servers (Master/Grandmaster Terran)

Twitch.tv/MasqSC

[Masq]

no microphone cuz im sick too :(

[Knuckle]

I am actually super excited about custom maps, there are custom games you can play like on SC1 RIGHT?? All the cool monsters like the omegalisk and the epic zerg creatures from the story, hope they can be edited into the fun custom maps. =)

[Daldaen]

Screen resolution seemed to be the issue. Monitor is 1440x900 but had to change it to... I forget but something else and it works a bit better now.

Some of the custom games are fun though. Phantom mode seems kinda cool I just hate talking with douche dicks and if you don't talk to the people they assume you are a Phantom and kill you.

[Knuckle]

so far hating even trying to play normal competitive multiplayer, fucking smurf pieces of shit everywhere.

[Diggles]

not smurf, bronze league is just that hard.

it isn't like LoL where you can just make a new account, gotta pay 60 bucks to smurf

[Diggles]

cheese your way to master

[Knuckle]

not smurf, bronze league is just that hard.

it isn't like LoL where you can just make a new account, gotta pay 60 bucks to smurf

yeah and the first person i fought said he was a smurf. get real.

[Diggles]

Grats, you fought a rich faggot who bought another copy of the game.

Don't get mad.

[Masq]

people just demote themself to bronze to farm portrait achievements, its quite common

[Atern]

If you want to get out of bronze, I'd suggest picking 1 race and 1 build and just practice it over and over. The easiest ones that come to mind are the protoss 4 gate and the zerg 6 pool. And of those, go with the 4 gate, because even at the higher levels it's probably the best build in a PvP matchup.

[pickled_heretic]

If you want to get out of bronze, I'd suggest picking 1 race and 1 build and just practice it over and over. The easiest ones that come to mind are the protoss 4 gate and the zerg 6 pool. And of those, go with the 4 gate, because even at the higher levels it's probably the best build in a PvP matchup.

if you want to learn to enjoy this game, learn to play a straight up macro game without any bullshit and fuck what league you're in. throw in cheese when you're feeling funny or just need something different, but make it the exception instead of the rule.

[Masq]

streaming again in the next 5minutes on korea server

twitch.tv/MasqSC

watch me rage to mass muta

[Knuckle]

Knuckle#648 add me pals

[tekniq]

any plat/diamond players here? i need a practice partner - i'm having trouble with my pvt game or any masters protoss to coach me :)

i'm also willing to coach any protoss players that are silver & bronze.

[Quizy]

i used to be a plat / diamond player but my partner quit.. i need a new one.. can anyone play with me ?

contact me