Progression? lol

[Fountree]

And just to clarify, when I started raiding I heard talk of this stuff, the servers past history and IB, etc. I chose to ignore it because I thought the server staff was doing a good job, i didnt think they were corrupt. Boy has 6 months in the trenches with IB/TR changed my mind about that. I just hope this can serve as a WARNING to future guilds that try to compete with them. Either join them or quit, its really that simple.

[burkemi5]

And just to clarify, when I started raiding I heard talk of this stuff, the servers past history and IB, etc. I chose to ignore it because I thought the server staff was doing a good job, i didnt think they were corrupt. Boy has 6 months in the trenches with IB/TR changed my mind about that. I just hope this can serve as a WARNING to future guilds that try to compete with them. Either join them or quit, its really that simple.

this is basically the reason why i never want to raid again

[Sold]

Your IP address being the same.

rotfl! my man u sound like a complete moron

[Sold]

whatever dude -- call it whatever you like -- At the very least I made my point and made my peace with you trash -- the bias on this server is evident. For you to be calling it anything different in the face of multitudes of players leaving and ever decreasing population is just a joke. When the server is at 100 players average because everyone else has realized that they are playing on your little sandbox, I hope you are enjoying your best loot in game.

enjoy your escape -- last post for me douchebags! im out!

thank god, remember to wear spf 50 when you go outside.

[Ungriim]

Wasn't the third raid suspension due to the fact that you had bards playing denon's disruptive discord on isle 1.5 and people spamming /pet attack on uthgaard just to lag up the zone? I'm just trying to clarify what happened, because that's what I heard at the time.

YESSSSSS I MADE IT INTO THIS THREAD FINALLY!!!

[Ektar]

getting into a thread isn't hard. just follow these simple steps.


1. say something (or make something up) about yourself that seems positive in one light, but has many holes for exploitation/exaggeration to be used against you
2. press submit reply

[Diggles]

also calling out a worthless poster (almost every person in RnF) helps

[Diggles]

for example, Tiggles is a fucking fake who bought a forum account

[deneauth]

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/Postorofpictures/Untitled-4.png

Thread died a long time ago so this is for random lols, Etkar you salty dog you!

[fishingme]

rotfl! my man u sound like a complete moron

For giving a completely logical example? Right, keep trying.

[Fountree]

PS to my earlier post, I've decided that I personally won't be quitting. Someones gotta help to keep the torch alive and help friends through the continued adversity. I am now done from RNF for the forseeable future...its been real.

[Awwalike]

all of TMO has gone outside and had fun before, except Eccezan.

[Daldolma]

Wow this server is dying? That's terrible. I read it here so it must be true. Apparently tons of players that have spent tons of time here are leaving. The server population is still the same as it's always been, but clearly the server is dwindling away as evidenced by all these people in this thread that have stated they are quitting. The injustice of the server is too much for them to overcome and there's only one way for them to make a statement regarding how unfair it is: to quit.

And so, I'm offering the opportunity to all those that are quitting to PM me your EQEmu / Login Server info. I will change your info, NEVER log your char in, and alert the P99 community that you have quit as a result of the unfair favoritism displayed by the staff. This is your opportunity to make a definitive statement that you've had it with the server and you're done.

Projected number of PMs: 0. Prove me wrong.

[JenJen]

so true ^^^^

[fishingme]

Wow this server is dying? That's terrible. I read it here so it must be true. Apparently tons of players that have spent tons of time here are leaving. The server population is still the same as it's always been, but clearly the server is dwindling away as evidenced by all these people in this thread that have stated they are quitting. The injustice of the server is too much for them to overcome and there's only one way for them to make a statement regarding how unfair it is: to quit.

And so, I'm offering the opportunity to all those that are quitting to PM me your EQEmu / Login Server info. I will change your info, NEVER log your char in, and alert the P99 community that you have quit as a result of the unfair favoritism displayed by the staff. This is your opportunity to make a definitive statement that you've had it with the server and you're done.

Projected number of PMs: 0. Prove me wrong.

This is false.

[Dark Knight]

This is false.

Have you checked the population numbers before you log in everytime?
It. Is. The. Fucking. Same. It. Always. Has. Been. Plus. More.

[Ektar]

I remember when population was a whopping 50. I go to lguk and me and kdog scrape the barrel for a group to get guises. REMEMBER THAT, GUISE?

best time ever

[JenJen]

shit theres only 560+ on right now....server is dead!

[karsten]

I remember when population was a whopping 50. I go to lguk and me and kdog scrape the barrel for a group to get guises. REMEMBER THAT, GUISE?

best time ever

2 paladins 1 group

[Chippy]

Epics aren't done, nope.

We have very few developers willing to put up ungrateful fucks.

So, keep waiting.


So true. It's a shame you'd think they be appreciative.

[getsome]

In response to you Iondera, you are scewing my words, see this is exactly what i mean, i wasnt refering to being able to prove whether Sev was being Kitted or not, i was refering to TR admiting they KS'd Sev from us, TR claims they had rights becasue we were kitting, Rogean admits that there isnt enough information to show that TMO was or was not kitting, however there is no dispute on the fact that TR KS'ed Seve they openely admited it..why is nothing being done about this? and why are admins responding to all this accusations but when i construct something semi formal I dont even get a response?

Fact: TMO had FTE with 40 in zone (not disputed)
Fact: We were pulling Sev to TT zone (not disputed)
Fact: TR pulled Sev off of our Bard and Killed it (not disputed)
Disputed Fact: TMO was Kitting Sev

Now Rogean claims the fraps/pics/logs are not enough to prove or disprove the disputed fact Sev being Kitted
TR addmiting they KS'ed sev.. why is Rogean or Admins acting on this? ...thats my question I dont know how else to word it,

Again...id like to ad, I am not butt hurt...i dont care about the suspension....I admire the work the devs,admins, CSR, all put in the server. I just want an answer so that I can be satisfied and know that you guys are doing everything you can to be fair.

Bull shit, you did not have 40 in zone when you pulled sev. I dont care if you had only 1 person in zone when you pull Sev. Just pull him accordingly. This is the reinventive history we always have to deal with.

[Sun Oct 16 12:22:22 2011] You are out of food.
[Sun Oct 16 12:22:30 2011] Thurme tells the guild, '( Fixt LD )'
[Sun Oct 16 12:22:31 2011] Grevan tells the guild, 'SEV POP'
[Sun Oct 16 12:22:31 2011] Grevan tells the guild, 'SEV POP'
[Sun Oct 16 12:22:35 2011] Grevan tells the guild, 'drol pulling'
[Sun Oct 16 12:22:38 2011] Minyin tells you, 'lol fuck'
[Sun Oct 16 12:22:44 2011] Zilo tells the guild, 'need ride from kc to ej'
[Sun Oct 16 12:22:46 2011] Severilous says 'Very cute, mortal. Please, please, don't kill me. Hah! Tell me, are you immune to poison? I certainly hope so. I am.'
[Sun Oct 16 12:22:54 2011] Severilous says 'Very cute, mortal. Please, please, don't kill me. Hah! Tell me, are you immune to poison? I certainly hope so. I am.'
[Sun Oct 16 12:22:59 2011] Minyin tells the guild, 'brt'
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:05 2011] Minyin tells the guild, 'zilo'
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:06 2011] It will take you about 30 seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:08 2011] You are out of food.
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:10 2011] It will take about 25 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:15 2011] It will take about 20 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:20 2011] It will take about 15 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:25 2011] It will take about 10 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] Players on EverQuest:
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] ---------------------------
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] [ANONYMOUS] Sabbath <The Mystical Order>
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] [ANONYMOUS] Samuel <The Mystical Order>
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] [ANONYMOUS] Vorsik <The Mystical Order>
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] [ANONYMOUS] Drolgurd <The Mystical Order>
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] [ANONYMOUS] Dellagramaticus <The Mystical Order>
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] [ANONYMOUS] Mytha <The Mystical Order> LFG
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] [ANONYMOUS] Epik <The Mystical Order> LFG
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:26 2011] There are 7 players in The Emerald Jungle.
[Sun Oct 16 12:23:30 2011] It will take about 5 more seconds to prepare your camp.

[getsome]

A bard can run from Sev pull spot to where both our guilds currently kill Sev in under two minutes. It takes Sev 4 minutes to traverse the distance across the zone. Yes we timed it.

Your puller took over 6 minutes from Sev fte til he arrived to your camp.

Please explain.

[Zereh]

derp Because he doesn't want to pull it directly past your raid. I know I know, it's ok if you KS a mob, but why should we make it any easier for you?

[Daldolma]

So true. It's a shame you'd think they be appreciative.

Nilbog to server: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs

[getsome]

derp Because he doesn't want to pull it directly past your raid. I know I know, it's ok if you KS a mob, but why should we make it any easier for you?

Our raid is not in the pull path between sev and your raid. Maybe Perun can draw you a map. Make sure to share it with anyone who pulls sev.

[Shiftin]

But they said it wasn't disputed! You're not allowed to provide direct evidence that proves him wrong getsome.

[getsome]

This run took 4 minutes and 15 seconds on a bard.

Please explain why your puller took over 6 minutes to arrive at your camp.

http://i54.tinypic.com/263u2bc.jpg

[Daldolma]

A bard can run from Sev pull spot to where both our guilds currently kill Sev in under two minutes. It takes Sev 4 minutes to traverse the distance across the zone. Yes we timed it.

Your puller took over 6 minutes from Sev fte til he arrived to your camp.

Please explain.

^ Facts that demonstrate a point when combined with the previously posted log. Point being: there were fewer than 10 people in EJ when Drol first engaged Sev, and he then took ~ 6 minutes -- 3 times the necessary pull-time -- to get Sev to arrive at kill spot. This is credible, if not definite, evidence that Sev was being kited while forces amassed.

derp Because he doesn't want to pull it directly past your raid. I know I know, it's ok if you KS a mob, but why should we make it any easier for you?

This is unsatisfactory rebuttal. Firstly, assuming your opponent will break the rules does not justify pre-emptive breaking of the rules, or in other words, kiting Sev. Secondly, and more importantly, if it were true that the only intent was to avoid TR's camp, that would add -- at a maximum -- about 30-45 seconds to the pull time. Not 4 minutes, or an additional 200% of the time required.

I am doing this to show how bias plays no role in the decisions made by Nilbog and Rogean. I couldn't care less. Thus far, the evidence presented makes TR's claim completely plausible, while TMO has yet to justify their own claim. Conversely, the situation with Zeelot left no room for interpretation. This is not to say that in either case, TR is right and TMO is wrong. This is to say that TR is making a much better case. If they are, in fact, the guilty party, you (TMO) need to make a much better case for proving it. You're not leaving Rogean any justifiable reason to help you or to punish TR.

[Daldolma]

By the way, current status report -
# of PMs received: 0
# of accounts abandoned: 0

Rage-quitting is more effective when you actually quit.

[fishingme]

Have you checked the population numbers before you log in everytime?
It. Is. The. Fucking. Same. It. Always. Has. Been. Plus. More.

No, it has never ever stayed the same. I've been playing on p99 since basically the release. I ever remember lurking on server stats when the original 7 had been on it with server status as locked. The server population has never stayed the same. It fluctuates, if you don't understand this and you need me to write out how/why/when it does then you're a bumbling retard.

[Zereh]

I am doing this to show how bias plays no role in the decisions made by Nilbog and Rogean.

Of course you see no bias; every decision rolls out in your favor. =)

Why should a raider's experience in P99 be defined by whether they chose to be in your guild or not? You're not special, you get special treatment. That's the only distinction between you and the rest of us.

[Ektar]

Where is taluvill

[Doors]

Ektar reminds me of a cow.

[Rais]

Of course you see no bias; every decision rolls out in your favor. =)

Why should a raider's experience in P99 be defined by whether they chose to be in your guild or not? You're not special, you get special treatment. That's the only distinction between you and the rest of us.

I personally don't care about what happens to either guild. My question to you is this:

Where is your outrage towards your own guild leadership in getting TMO raid suspended? Are in fact condoning the actions of Zeelot breaking mezzes around a raid target engaged, and then calls for attack on the raid target, before it even regened to 100%? As I recall DA(pre TMO) did the same thing to Dozeker on Inny, while Dursion was Guild Leader of DA. That would make 2 stikes of the same situation, just a different guild tag.

It seems that since a lot of TMO members are upset at the fact of the suspension, they are saying his actions are in the right.

[Ektar]

why is me a moocow :(

[Silentone]

Getsome, my point is exactly that. We can argue all we want about each point. But in the end what remains a fact to the staff is u pulled the mob off us. Im not arguing about a week old mob, nor am I trying to call foul every second im just pointing out what Rogean said in this post and giving an example. Honestly this was the wrong place to post this but was hoping for a response from him. Love u all

[Labyrrinth]

This run took 4 minutes and 15 seconds on a bard.

Please explain why your puller took over 6 minutes to arrive at your camp.

http://i54.tinypic.com/263u2bc.jpg

As you so eloquently posted and demonstrated, the "run" at bard speed as evidenced by your post took you 4 min. 15 sec.

When you timed that, you were not concerned about keeping Sev aggro'd on you or having Sev follow you. All you were concerned with was running to the camp spot indicated as fast as you could.

Sev does not run at bard speed.

Therefore, trying to pull Sev to the camp indicated would have taken in excess of your timed run of 4 min, 15 seconds. In fact, it would have taken over 6 minutes.

[Shiftin]

You got a response. There is no evidence to prove you weren't kiting the mob and some evidence that you were. At the very least it's not conclusive because a mob that's being kited is not engaged.

Your leaders and ours have been given that ruling by every single GM or guide who has ever presided over a raid dispute. Your officers and raid leaders keep trying to pretend that's not true and that they haven't been warned multiple times about it, but it is. If they didn't know this rule, they wouldn't have told your bards to attempt to pull talendor off of our bards in the past when they thought we were kiting.

The only evidence presented has suggested you were kiting. The things you keep presenting as the facts have been disproven as massive exaggerations. If they were the actual facts (they aren't) and you could prove them (you can't), we wouldn't be having this talk. India, you are completely missing the point. He didn't run straight to your raid. He took the very longest way possible and it took him a material amount of time longer than to just run the long way. That means he intentionally dragged the dragon way out of the way rather than straight to your raid, waiting for the dragon to catch up to him on his out of the way path. This is how you define kiting. Continually pointing out that he took this path and made sure the dragon followed him is just admitting that he kited.

Of course there is going to be a disparity in rulings between that and what happened on VS. The reason is a disparity of evidence. Make your bards run fraps and tell everyone to keep their logs on. Quit relying on forum trolls thinking they'll incite the GMs to action with worthless threats.

I'm sorry you got raid suspended, but you have 1 person to blame for that and it's not the first time he's done this sort of thing. From trying to game FTE with idols and feeding trak lifetaps to stealing triggered mobs in sky, he has operated as if the rules did not apply to him for almost 3 months. Your members have taunted us here and in game, flaunting what they have gotten away with in the face of dozens of fraps and logs proving what he was doing. You followed and supported him anyway. You cannot cry foul when a ruling finally goes against you because of your guildleaders actions. You knew full well what he was doing. Your own members even admitted it in tells to us.

[Ring]

TMO maybe the staff didn't respond to your petitions because you present your cases like idiots and send players like Durrison at them. Maybe they're not corrupt but your guild leadership is just shit.

Take a moment and imagine my scenario and see if it explains everything that has happened to you thus far (it does).

[G13]

It seems that since a lot of TMO members are upset at the fact of the suspension, they are saying his actions are in the right.

Read the thread dipshit

Hell read the chat log with Rogean and Durison

The point of contention has always been the double standard when it comes to GM actions involving guild disputes. You're doing the same stupid red herring that Rogean tried to pull earlier in this thread. It's just a strawman.

Trystych was caught red handed on video blatantly training a rival guild on mid pull of draco. Did IB get raid suspended? No.

IB has always had the development staff in their back pocket since day one. Rogean is RL friends with some of their core members. So is Nilbog. I really don't understand why the player base here continues to act like Nilbog and Rogean and completely unbiased. This is an EMU box run by twenty something kids pretending to be real SOE developers. It's their sandbox sure, but this pretense that it's run fairly is a joke. It's a corrupt box. We're all just "ungrateful fucks" when we question their motives. You're not allowed to question why they are pals with guild leaders who also moonlight as developers, using his position as developer to give his guild the edge in the raid scene.

Obviously the IB trolls and the fat depressed suckups who lie about their military service are going to try to claim otherwise. After all, they are the ones who have benefited from this since the beginning. Look at the history of how Fear was released, guild suspensions, account bannings for hacking, ect. If IB/TR is the guild that is going to receive the most extreme punishment, they change the rules on the fly, ignore previous rulings that have set precedent, or just ignore their own past statements/rules ect. to make absolutely sure that IB/TR is impacted as minimally as possible.

I can see why Uthgaard threw up his hands and said fuck it. This policy from the top down led by Rogean allowed hundreds of accounts caught using 3rd party hacks to not receive proper punishment. That is the length Rogean and Nilbog are willing to go to protect their pals in IB/TR. We'll never know how many banked items were preserved by that decision. I'm pretty sure it was significant, otherwise they would have never made such a stupid decision.

The server and the player base will always take a back seat to Rogean and Nilbog's coddling of TR/IB. That is never going to change. If you want to raid here that is a fact that you must be willing to accept. As long as this server is run by Rogean and Nilbog, there will always be a double standard where one guild is coddled and protected above all others.

[Daldolma]

Of course you see no bias; every decision rolls out in your favor. =)

Why should a raider's experience in P99 be defined by whether they chose to be in your guild or not? You're not special, you get special treatment. That's the only distinction between you and the rest of us.

In fact, none of that is true. I am not and never have been a member of Transatlantic Rampage, Inglorious Basterds, or any related entity. I've never even apped, and given the fact that I play about 12 hours a week, I don't think I'm real high on the priority list. For as much as you believe TMO is the victim of TR favoritism, the favoritism displayed toward end-game raiders -- both TR and TMO -- via un-Classic, unreasonably large variances is vastly more obvious than any inter-guild preferences. GMs were so concerned with preventing the "hardcore" dolts from poopsocking and making a mess of things that they instituted variances so large that no non-hardcore raid guild could possibly compete on a mob-to-mob basis. So I am part of a totally different favoritism argument. I have no dog in the TR-TMO fight. Just giving an objective opinion of why TR seems to benefit from so much favoritism. It's not favoritism, they just provide evidence for all their points. AND, more importantly, they pick their battles better. When they don't have proof or when they're demonstrably wrong, they shut up and hope it goes away, which is the smart way to handle things.

[Rais]

Why can't you answer a yes or no question, G13? Pretty straight forward question, not able to honestly answer it?

[getsome]

As you so eloquently posted and demonstrated, the "run" at bard speed as evidenced by your post took you 4 min. 15 sec.

When you timed that, you were not concerned about keeping Sev aggro'd on you or having Sev follow you. All you were concerned with was running to the camp spot indicated as fast as you could.

Sev does not run at bard speed.

Therefore, trying to pull Sev to the camp indicated would have taken in excess of your timed run of 4 min, 15 seconds. In fact, it would have taken over 6 minutes.

I made the map to show you how impractical it was to have a bard take over 6 minutes to make it to camp after agroing sev. I took the route your own puller said he took. Since he said he was following zone walls.

I hate to say it, but you clearly have no grasp of the mechanics of the game.

India once you agro sev the first time, you do not need to "keep him agro'd" while you run to your camp. You do not lose aggro from lack of proximity on P99.

I already explained that the run from pull spot to kill spot takes less than 2 minutes @ "bard speed". I already explained Sev takes 4 minutes to traverse that same distance.

/boggle

[Daldolma]

Serious questions:

If it's true that Rogean and Nilbog are these corrupt GMs that display favoritism at every turn and guarantee TR's dominance, then how do you explain:

1) Xzerion remaining named Xzerion. If something sinister was afoot, the easiest thing in the world would have been to have Xzerion "step down" as Developer. It would be the easiest thing in the world to lie about -- how would anyone else know? Let him keep developing and say he's not. Let him develop under a different name and say he's not. If this whole server is founded on a scheme to protect IB/TR, why not tell one excruciatingly simple lie to get 18 months' worth of heat off their backs?

2) Eashan being banned. He is, by a few greatly distorted accounts, Rogean's best bud. So why the hell would he get banned? Better question: if Rogean and Nilbog were so corrupt, why the hell would they give so much power to Uthgaard, who according to
this narrative was not in on the conspiracy? Why not make Swarws head GM, under a different name? Why allow a guy like Uthgaard to ban your RL buddy? Uthgaard was not fired. He quit. If they were so concerned with protecting IB/TR, then why ever allow Uthgaard the insight he had in the first place? The server was fine before him, and it's fine after him -- it's not like he was absolutely vital. If he was endangering the key component of the server, there'd be no reason for adding him.

3) The 365 account suspensions. Lost in all the idiocy is the fact that this sting operation targeted, and arguably punished most harshly, TR. People complain that it wasn't harsh enough, but the truth is that NONE of us have access to the list of 365 names. If Rogean and Nilbog were so corrupt, why suspend Perun? Just cross him off the list. None of us would know. Ditto every member of TR. In fact, if they wanted to, they could accuse Zeelot and Durison of using 3rd party programs, ban them permanently, and none of us would be any the wiser. Would anyone have believed Perun if he said he didn't actually cheat? Carry that logic over. Nobody would believe Zeelot or Durison. If Nilbog and Rogean wanted them gone, they'd be gone.

What this all comes down to is the fact that if favoritism were in effect, there would be hundreds of more effective, less obvious ways to enforce that favoritism than to supposedly side with TR in every dispute. These guys run the damn server. They don't need to side with TR in disputes -- they could prevent the disputes from ever even occurring if they wanted to. The argument is just based on such flawed logic. They have control over literally every aspect of the server, but they choose to exercise their favoritism by responding to TR's petitions faster than TMO's?

[Labyrrinth]

I made the map to show you how impractical it was to have a bard take over 6 minutes to make it to camp after agroing sev. I took the route your own puller said he took. Since he said he was following zone walls.

I hate to say it, but you clearly have no grasp of the mechanics of the game.

India once you agro sev the first time, you do not need to "keep him agro'd" while you run to your camp. You do not lose aggro from lack of proximity on P99.

I already explained that the run from pull spot to kill spot takes less than 2 minutes @ "bard speed". I already explained Sev takes 4 minutes to traverse that same distance.

/boggle

Don't act like an idiot. I know you don't "lose aggro" however with you guys in the zone he did want to make sure he kept the mob on him, in sight... you guys do the same damn thing.

He's also explained multiple times that he ran the only way he knew because he wasn't or isn't that familiar with the zone.

It's not your or anyone elses call to tell him he must pull the dragon via the shortest route possible.

Your arguments are weak, they are only being used to try to validate your actions. No validation is needed, we know whose playground this is.

[getsome]

Don't act like an idiot. I know you don't "lose aggro" however with you guys in the zone he did want to make sure he kept the mob on him, in sight... you guys do the same damn thing.



If your puller wanted to keep the dragon in sight, then why was your puller in your camp over 6 minutes after agroing sev. And sev was about 1/3 of the way across the zone? (out of sight)

Want fraps?

[Autotune]

If your puller wanted to keep the dragon in sight, then why was your puller in your camp over 6 minutes after agroing sev. And sev was about 1/3 of the way across the zone? (out of sight)

Want fraps?

I've wanted the damn fraps forever, but none of you would show me the day of.

[G13]

Serious questions:

If it's true that Rogean and Nilbog are these corrupt GMs that display favoritism at every turn and guarantee TR's dominance, then how do you explain:

1) Xzerion remaining named Xzerion. If something sinister was afoot, the easiest thing in the world would have been to have Xzerion "step down" as Developer. It would be the easiest thing in the world to lie about -- how would anyone else know? Let him keep developing and say he's not. Let him develop under a different name and say he's not. If this whole server is founded on a scheme to protect IB/TR, why not tell one excruciatingly simple lie to get 18 months' worth of heat off their backs?

I don't believe your questions are serious, because you're being completely disingenuous with your premise. You have to know the history of the server from the very beginning to understand why Xzerion kept the name Xzerion. In the early days, there was a lot of grumbling about IB having developers in their guild, which was routinely denied by Rogean. Xzerion created a post though using his developer account, which happened to be the same name as his player character. It was by accident, so the cat was let out of the bag.

Once it was established that IB did in fact have a developer as their guild leader, the narrative changed. We were then told it wasn't a big deal and no favortism would be shown. Throughout the history of raiding on this server, obviously that hasn't been the case. It became progressively worse as Xzerion abused his power more and more. A prime example of he did so was by changing the pathing of mobs to non classic, so a rival guild couldn't stage at a specific area in Vox's lair. He was the "pathing developer", so he would have been able to do this.

Originally this was not even mentioned in the patch notes. It was later revised when people pointed it out. I've always wondered if Rogean knew before he made the patch live if that TT pathing was there and allowed to go through anyways. We'll never know.

IB was losing badly to DA at the time, so Xzerion used his powers as developer to even up the playing field. Why Rogean didn't disband his guild then and there and remove him from developer duties is because Rogean and Xzerion are RL pals.

2) Eashan being banned. He is, by a few greatly distorted accounts, Rogean's best bud. So why the hell would he get banned? Better question: if Rogean and Nilbog were so corrupt, why the hell would they give so much power to Uthgaard, who according to
this narrative was not in on the conspiracy? Why not make Swarws head GM, under a different name? Why allow a guy like Uthgaard to ban your RL buddy? Uthgaard was not fired. He quit. If they were so concerned with protecting IB/TR, then why ever allow Uthgaard the insight he had in the first place? The server was fine before him, and it's fine after him -- it's not like he was absolutely vital. If he was endangering the key component of the server, there'd be no reason for adding him.

You have to know why Uthgaard was "hired" in the first place to truly understand what's been going on here. Eashan is irrelevant. Rogean did exactly what you stated when he made Uuaellaen (TR member) a GM under a different name (Cyrius). If Cyrius hadn't abused his powers so blatantly in favor of IB and been more subtle as Rogean and Nilbog are, perhaps they could have kept up the charade a bit longer and not needed to hire Uthgaard.

Uthgaard was originally hired because of the main issue that has plagued P99 since it's inception. Developer favortism of one core of players because of their RL connections (IB). All TR is are a few of those core IB left, along with some chickenshit DA who sold out, and a bunch of euro scrubs used for zerg numbers. The person who always ran that show has been Xzerion. The special relationship he had with the development team remained intact throughout their entire history of merging with this guild or that.

You also had Uuaelean running around at the time as Cyrius pretending to be a GM, blatantly making fucked up biased decisions so skewed, that Rogean was forced to hire "an outsider not affiliated with the server" (Uthgaard) for damage control. That's the only reason why Uthgaard was originally hired. The reason why Uthgaard quit, is because he wasn't allowed to do his job when it came to mediating punishment against a specific guild and their guild leader. Xzerion and IB/TR. Once again Rogean was there to save Xzerion's ass after he was caught red handed abusing his power.

On top if that you had Xzerion then quit with some manipulative crybaby post in a pitiful attempt to shift blame and focus away from himself and who was there blaming the "ungrateful fucks" IE YOU for making Xzerion step down as a developer? Rogean and Nilbog. We were all supposed to feel guilty that Xzerion was a corrupt piece of shit and Nilbog and Rogean were covering for him. Amazingly some people actually believed that steaming pile of shit that was being served to them.

3) The 365 account suspensions. Lost in all the idiocy is the fact that this sting operation targeted, and arguably punished most harshly, TR. People complain that it wasn't harsh enough, but the truth is that NONE of us have access to the list of 365 names. If Rogean and Nilbog were so corrupt, why suspend Perun? Just cross him off the list. None of us would know. Ditto every member of TR. In fact, if they wanted to, they could accuse Zeelot and Durison of using 3rd party programs, ban them permanently, and none of us would be any the wiser. Would anyone have believed Perun if he said he didn't actually cheat? Carry that logic over. Nobody would believe Zeelot or Durison. If Nilbog and Rogean wanted them gone, they'd be gone.

Again you're completely missing the point. The fact that you don't have access to the names of the people suspended should tell you something. What would you do if this was your box and you caught 365 accounts hacking? Would you just suspend them and de-lvl them which is just an inconvenience, or would actually enforce the rules you put in place?

You're assuming the results of their findings were what was expected, when it was completely the opposite. The pattern of development decisions we keep seeing are damage control to protect and coddle one specific guild. Everyone was assuming, even the fat depressed loser who lied about his military service, that Durison would be the one to get caught using 3rd party hacks along with TMO leadership. That wasn't the case. It was actually TR/IB leadership that was caught. That wasn't supposed to happen.

If TR leadership hadn't been caught and one of TMOs leaders was caught, you would have seen a different decision and a different outcome. TMO would have been guild disbanded. Period. The only reason those 365 accounts were spared, is because they were protecting incredibly valuable accounts within TR/IB. The cheaters dodged a bullet to protect a select few in the guild with developer ties.

What this all comes down to is the fact that if favoritism were in effect, there would be hundreds of more effective, less obvious ways to enforce that favoritism than to supposedly side with TR in every dispute. These guys run the damn server. They don't need to side with TR in disputes -- they could prevent the disputes from ever even occurring if they wanted to. The argument is just based on such flawed logic. They have control over literally every aspect of the server, but they choose to exercise their favoritism by responding to TR's petitions faster than TMO's?

Favortism can be shown in many ways as has been outlined by many posters throughout the history of P99. A decision was made about long term outcomes regarding those 365 suspended accounts. Not a short one. I can guarantee the shit hit the fan when they saw the results and realized what was happening. If Uthgaard hadn't been a part of the team at that time, we'd never know the real results and Rogean and Nilbog could have manipulated the data and the situation in any way they wanted to, to coddle IB/TR which is exactly what you are seeing now. How and why any of you people still trust these two twenty something year old kids pretending to be developers is beyond me.

They had to keep pretenses up initially to appease Uthgaard, but they decided to take a gamble with their decision, dressing it up as "Well there were so many accounts suspended that we decided to not ban them permanently" as an excuse. It was also an attempt at good PR which backfired.

The truth is if you looked at the population numbers while those "365 accounts were suspended" there really wasn't much of a population hit. Maybe a reduction of about 100 players at best. There wasn't a massive reduction of population like you should have seen with so many accounts suspended.

You people have all been hoodwinked by a bunch of kids pretending to be SOE developers that created a sandbox, where their RL pals get special treatment. It doesn't matter how much evidence is shown of the coddling, people still continue to play here believing it's an even playing field when it isn't. You rationalize it because there is no viable alternative at the moment. Who wants to play on Fippy? They use the shitty models and it isn't the true old world design, so it's not the same thing to classic purists such as myself.

If there was a viable alternative this place would be a ghost town. Players wouldn't have to put up with biased developers who call the player base that breathes life into the server "ungrateful fucks".

[Awwalike]

everyone should just follow the golden rule..

[Uaellaen]

very interesting read ... i always thought zereh is one of the good gals, guess shes as gullible as the rest >< so sad ...

i have something for you whiners and novel writers ... take a step back and tell me this:

what did you do for the server?
did you guide?
did you dev?
did you do anything besides logging in and play?

how dare you attack those that spent hundrets and THOUSANDS of hours doing all this?

i know that most of you will not even understand why i am asking those questions, alot of you have proven that you are almost immune to education.

P.S.: Nilbog is about the most straight forward guy i ever met on the internet, no reason to attack him or his work. Challange: do it better, PEQ code is open source.

[Uaellaen]

also mister g13, bronson, jeremy, whatever your name is now ... you are so biased its not even funny ... you dont even fucking know what access a expansion developer has, and still talk about it like you know whats going on ... lol

If Cyrius hadn't abused his powers so blatantly in favor of IB and been more subtle as Rogean and Nilbog are, perhaps they could have kept up the charade a bit longer and not needed to hire Uthgaard.

lol that is so made up, you know i actualy "trained" uthgaard? he was starting as GM while i was senior GM ... i never abused my powers as Cyrius, and i have everything logged ... also i was leader of <Remedy> back then, if you remember ... maybe you dont, snorted your brain away with coke? uthgaard tried to ban me on cyrius 3 times for shenanigans he thought that were going on, but i had evidence that it was 100% to the rules and legit ...

you want to know why i stopped guiding? cause i couldnt listen to you ungrateful fucks anymore ...

[Uaellaen]

leader of "Remedy" ... i failed by using arrows arround it ...

[Slathar]

also mister g13, bronson, jeremy, whatever your name is now ... you are so biased its not even funny ... you dont even fucking know what access a expansion developer has, and still talk about it like you know whats going on ... lol



lol that is so made up, you know i actualy "trained" uthgaard? he was starting as GM while i was senior GM ... i never abused my powers as Cyrius, and i have everything logged ... also i was leader of <Remedy> back then, if you remember ... maybe you dont, snorted your brain away with coke? uthgaard tried to ban me on cyrius 3 times for shenanigans he thought that were going on, but i had evidence that it was 100% to the rules and legit ...

you want to know why i stopped guiding? cause i couldnt listen to you ungrateful fucks anymore ...

haha who gives a fuck what you claim you did you sweaty loser go suck one

[Diggles]

cyrius is corrupt nuff said

[Uaellaen]

haha who gives a fuck what you claim you did you sweaty loser go suck one

aww go cry to your momy, oh wait dont, she is sucking my hard dick right now .. come in 5 minutes

[Awwalike]

really, who the fuck cares about sev?

[Diggles]

next thing we know we'll be having a flame war about tmo's alts downing naggy.

[Uaellaen]

next thing we know we'll be having a flame war about tmo's mains downing naggy.

fixed it for you!

[Ames]

penis

[Ames]

aww go cry to your momy, oh wait dont, she is sucking my hard dick right now .. come in 5 minutes

Euro Rage

Transatlantic Ragein'

[Zereh]

very interesting read ... i always thought zereh is one of the good gals, guess shes as gullible as the rest >< so sad ...

I'm still one of the good gals .... This isn't sad, it's reality. =/

It was by luck of the draw that we chose to start raiding with DA instead of IB. I didn't know anyone in either guild, really. But I'm glad I made the choice I did. I've met and played with some of the best people on the server, so I'd not change a thing about that.

But I have consistently seen the rules twisted, broken or downright ignored in order to ensure that your guild remains at the top of the heap. It's not a one time thing. And what you do get away with is thrown back in our faces every chance you get. You push, push, push the limits and then act surprised when people get fed up and respond in kind. And you have the entire staff at your back condoning and encouraging what you do. No other guild on this server has that. Only you.

I have to admit that thumbing my nose at you by beating you at your own game, on your own server, is a huge part of the attraction that keeps me here now. =)

[Diggles]

more like corrupt guide raging

[Uberom]

Notice how often we've had patches? The red beta received the latest patch, but p99 has not.

Rogean is the server admin, so he does the patches when he has time. Rogean and I both have full time jobs. At the time of the last content patch of p99 blue, the raid guilds most definitely didn't deserve VP. Since that time, there hasn't been a patch.

So, once again, VP has been done for quite a while. You can bitch about it not being open, sure, but it's not due lack of development. From the announcement, I'd say that's when to expect the next patch.

Nice. These new - age EQ players have no gaming etiquette. WoW has destroyed their morality.

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."

[Pico]

http://i.imgur.com/We3Ai.jpg

[Diggles]

morality # Morale

good lord open a fucking dictionary some time.

[Uberom]

morality # Morale

good lord open a fucking dictionary some time.

If that was in reference to my previous post, which I believe it was, I do understand that these words do not mean the same thing. However, you must understand that my statement, and the quote I posted afterwards, are independent.

You can sub 'morality' into the quote if you wish, but thats not how it is commonly said. ;P

Nice try.

[Diggles]

oh okay so you just made a post that made no fucking sense on purpose then, got it.

[Kalifa]

pretty sure morale is the right word there....

[Ektar]

I gave rogean a sinful glance across the room and he gave me full lustrous russet

[Awwalike]

Please Explain to my why after Uthgaard not only banned 6 accounts of mine and not just the 2 that were involved in the 2 boxing? Then went and informed members of TMO? He has been leaking info to TMO/DA for a while now. TMO/DA is just to stupid to keep there mouths shut and blew up there spot. Also a year or so ago when TMO just joined the server they used my vent till they got thier own. Alarti and Loly openly spoke to me about using showEQ and said they used it for a goof and didn't care. I guess when Uthgaard told them to stop using it because a big ban was going down. That was one of the reasons why we never merged with them or Trans, well that and Saratogo/Darkmanx gave them board access which makes me sad, we were tight... at least I though we were, oh well Enjoy the laptop and thanks for all the help.

Also btw you guys got trolled hard.... I gave 10 thousand dollars to get back on the server NOW THAT SHIT IS FUNNY !!!!!! who would ever believe that.
As Rogean showed you my monk is still banned along with 5 other accounts. I was just talking shit and you freaks believed me.......

"Common sense isn't very common"

I'm sure you only boxed on those two accounts and that there was never a time when those IPs had other accounts of yours logged in simultaneously.
you got banned for cheating brew.
;)

[Uaellaen]

I'm still one of the good gals .... This isn't sad, it's reality. =/

It was by luck of the draw that we chose to start raiding with DA instead of IB. I didn't know anyone in either guild, really. But I'm glad I made the choice I did. I've met and played with some of the best people on the server, so I'd not change a thing about that.

But I have consistently seen the rules twisted, broken or downright ignored in order to ensure that your guild remains at the top of the heap. It's not a one time thing. And what you do get away with is thrown back in our faces every chance you get. You push, push, push the limits and then act surprised when people get fed up and respond in kind. And you have the entire staff at your back condoning and encouraging what you do. No other guild on this server has that. Only you.

I have to admit that thumbing my nose at you by beating you at your own game, on your own server, is a huge part of the attraction that keeps me here now. =)

i am really sorry you feel that way, but i can honestly tell you, it is not the truth ... i am on this server since almost 2 years now ... when i got here the rumors about IB already been out there ... when i was guiding i had nothing to do with them on my game character yet, and i watched them closely, and even banned a few black sheep ... but the majority of them stuck to the rules ...

you know that TR feels the exact same way about the encounters with DA / TMO at times? The thing is, you have no clue whats going on behind the scenes, you only see scraps and bits and assume the rest ...

[Ektar]

it is really a shame to see zereh walk the path of taluvill. soon we'll see her ninja looting and destroying items for justice, getting banned and wondering why

[Uaellaen]

it is really a shame to see zereh walk the path of taluvill. soon we'll see her ninja looting and destroying items for justice, getting banned and wondering why

no!!! we will guide her to the light before!!! you HAVE TO BELIEVE IT!!! have faith brother!

[Ektar]

when I first started playing again and I was soloing in karnors with my deepwater cap, I pulled a mob to the zoneline and 3 TMO just attacked it while I asked them to stop repeatedly. After they KSed it, I asked for an apology and they gave me an attitude and basically told me to fuck off. zereh had no idea and apologized for her guildmates, and gave me buffs.

wait what forum is this again?

[Diggles]

EKTAR IM IN LOVE WITH YOUR SIG.

[Ektar]

dude I worked on it for like a week. the cat bounces up and down a lil bit I need to fix it

[Diggles]

teach meee

[Diggles]

inverted akali not very fun avatar :[

[Ektar]

1. acquire any images you want to use

2. download gimp (http://www.gimp.org/downloads/)

3. create masterpieces

[Diggles]

how i make animated

I have photoshop and i know how to make da 8 bit artz

[Awwalike]

back on topic, I want to see more people cry!

[Ektar]

it's a gif of still image after still image. it's like 300 frames

[Ektar]

but you're right. TAKE IT TO TELLS GET A ROOM

we got conspiracy theories to entertain!

[Ames]

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[Ames]

PIXELS

[Diggles]

How much is the avatar, that seems slightly smaller

[Ektar]

you can try counting, I came to roughly 11 frames

[Ames]

you can try counting, I came to roughly 11 frames

sweet moving pixels bro

[Ektar]

I stayed home for months to make sure I got server first fa

PIXELS > TITS

[Awwalike]

Ames, you are cool for liking the Yankees, but you are too damn annoying and your posts suck, therefore you are now on my ignore list.

[burkemi5]

all you TR scum need to go to hell. how is it fun to "compete" when you can /whaaa ROGEAN WE LOST A RACE KAN YOU MAKE IT SO WE WIN and then brag about it on your website? go play flippy with the rest of the fags, please.

[Ektar]

how is it not fun to compete when you are in the advantage to your competitors? It is a proven fact that most activities that people enjoy are things they are good at. People don't like playing basketball if they blow ass, or enjoy school (as much as you can enjoy school) if you're really bad at it. So it's the slight advantage that keeps people happy, and therefore keeps them enjoying the game. So yeah I mean I'm tr this is my sandbox.. I wanna be the big boy that throws sand shovels at people, not the other dude.


lol just joshin you're full of shit

[burkemi5]

how is it not fun to compete when you are in the advantage to your competitors? It is a proven fact that most activities that people enjoy are things they are good at. People don't like playing basketball if they blow ass, or enjoy school (as much as you can enjoy school) if you're really bad at it. So it's the slight advantage that keeps people happy, and therefore keeps them enjoying the game. So yeah I mean I'm tr this is my sandbox.. I wanna be the big boy that throws sand shovels at people, not the other dude.


lol just joshin you're full of shit

i thought you were cool, because you have avatars of obscure QFG games, but you are in TR, therefore making you a cheater douche. All kidding aside, if you guys just want to win every time without competition, why don't you have your BFF's Rogean and Nillbog just make you a private server that you can "compete" against yourselfs and "win" the races to the mobs?

[Ektar]

I usually take a more jovial/neutral stance. Sorry I got caught up in the drama. Though ya I am in TR so I mean idk if that's doin me in then SO BE IT.

we can still be pals; QFG pals, paladin pals. up to you!

[Diggles]

i give up i can't get animation to work for avatars and it makes me wanna DIE

[Ektar]

create gif - upload gif - insert image~ should work just dandy

[Diggles]

it keeps staying at the first frame and not moving

[Ektar]

idkk could be the site you uploaded to. I used photobucket. or for some reason mine didn't move unless I scrolled up and down for a day or so then began to lol idk.

or it's cuz you're not in TR so rogean/nilbog don't allow you to have gifatars

[Diggles]

must be because im not in TR

[Harrison]

More TMO implosion and ragequit posts please.

Also, does anyone ever read Bronson's TL;DRs? Kid wasn't even relevant when FB was around, nevermind now lol

[Ektar]

reading a tl;dr is awfully paradoxical!

[Chanur]

I like when people post TLDR, that is how you know they are mouth breathing, sister humping idiots. If you didn't read it that is fine, but don't announce it to the world.

[baub]

Leave Bronson alone, nothing good comes from making fun of the mentally handicapped

[Ring]

I'm still one of the good gals .... This isn't sad, it's reality. =/

It was by luck of the draw that we chose to start raiding with DA instead of IB. I didn't know anyone in either guild, really. But I'm glad I made the choice I did. I've met and played with some of the best people on the server, so I'd not change a thing about that.

But I have consistently seen the rules twisted, broken or downright ignored in order to ensure that your guild remains at the top of the heap. It's not a one time thing. And what you do get away with is thrown back in our faces every chance you get. You push, push, push the limits and then act surprised when people get fed up and respond in kind. And you have the entire staff at your back condoning and encouraging what you do. No other guild on this server has that. Only you.

I have to admit that thumbing my nose at you by beating you at your own game, on your own server, is a huge part of the attraction that keeps me here now. =)

You are such a gullible cunt. God damn.

You people have no idea how much TR raged during the period when Uthgaard was still GM, but didn't bother policing raiding. Remember when they had fraps of Winterfresh training juggs on them? Zeelot training numerous times? Rogues, necros, etc. from your guild trying to grab FTE with no raid force? None of those petitions were answered. The difference between TR and you idiots is they kept their mouths shut on the forums and just tried to keep documenting (payoff with Zeelot finally getting you raid suspended). Your leadership just lashes out in public and look like idiots.

[Jedite2K11]

Why do people bitch hardcore about a F2P Emu of Classic EQ? I'm just curious as to why people find themselves so privledged to basically insult the people who provide to us a FREE service...sure it's not perfect but neither was what SOE threw at us...I mean cmon, can't the Admins just shut the server down if they wanted to? I think if they just one day said FU..and shut it down permanently, then maybe you'd be grateful...jesus.

[Harrison]

BECAUSE OMG FAVORITISM WHEN WE HACK EXPLOIT AND SHIT UP THE SERVER OMGZ TR SPECIAL TREATMENT BLAH BLAH RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

[Ektar]

and it's a 12 year old game amirite

[Sodapop]

and it's a 12 year old game amirite


i laughed.

[Awwalike]

I leveled an alt with Bronson, true story.

[Enygmad]

This thread needs more Sworen QQ posts! Plz fix.

How's Fippy going for you so far Durison? Banned yet?

[Motec]

reading a tl;dr is awfully paradoxical!

TR;TR
Not relevent to the interests of sick cunts like us.

[Coas]

Why do people bitch hardcore about a F2P Emu of Classic EQ? I'm just curious as to why people find themselves so privledged to basically insult the people who provide to us a FREE service...sure it's not perfect but neither was what SOE threw at us...I mean cmon, can't the Admins just shut the server down if they wanted to? I think if they just one day said FU..and shut it down permanently, then maybe you'd be grateful...jesus.

People shouldn't play unless they feel there is a fair playing field. Saying that, its obvious all of the leaders have joined TR. When a guild (as a whole) can't contemplate the fact that their leader deliberately messes with an engaged mob, and wonders why they get the short end of the stick...they have shit leadership.

If Xzeeron or whoever it is started mem blurring tmo's mobs, these boards would blow up, and I'd bet tr would have a raid suspension. You can be pissed about this "kite", and try to put all your argument on it, but 6+ mins on a pull from the first spawn of the mob (i.e. no chance for opponent to pull it) is ridiculous, doesn't matter if tr or whoever pulled it off when u had 40 in zone, u delayed the pull and suffer the consequences. Not to mention the numerous infractions i've seen on TMO's side (from FoH boards)

All i know is this server is fucked if a guild like TMO tries to compete with TR.

[Autotune]

People shouldn't play unless they feel there is a fair playing field. Saying that, its obvious all of the leaders have joined TR. When a guild (as a whole) can't contemplate the fact that their leader deliberately messes with an engaged mob, and wonders why they get the short end of the stick...they have shit leadership.

If Xzeeron or whoever it is started mem blurring tmo's mobs, these boards would blow up, and I'd bet tr would have a raid suspension. You can be pissed about this "kite", and try to put all your argument on it, but 6+ mins on a pull from the first spawn of the mob (i.e. no chance for opponent to pull it) is ridiculous, doesn't matter if tr or whoever pulled it off when u had 40 in zone, u delayed the pull and suffer the consequences. Not to mention the numerous infractions i've seen on TMO's side (from FoH boards)

All i know is this server is fucked if a guild like TMO tries to compete with TR.

No one cares what you have to say. Go post in server chat and turn that 3 into 300

[Anger]

There should be P99 trophies for threads that go over 30 pages.

Great success. Fight minions. Fight.

[Labyrrinth]

. Not to mention the numerous infractions i've seen on TMO's side (from FoH boards)



Well at least we know you've taken the time to gather all your information from the most unbiased place out there :rolleyes:

[Aadill]

FoHX news.

[karsten]

i did like that one aadill!

[Cyrano]

How are the FoH boards anymore biased than these message boards?

[Tommy_Wiseau]

How are the FoH boards anymore biased than these message boards?

lol

[Aadill]

The Cyrano Factor at 8pm.

[Ektar]

This just in: Ektar sold his account to durison back in last summer, and was the one who pulled sev off tmo and pulled vs agro and unmezzed the mobs with his AE spells.


Source: The Ektanion

[karsten]

3/10

[Ektar]

I've banged worse so I'll take that as a compliment

[Nerfbat]

No one is behaving in this thread. Delay VP longer imo.

[Tumdumm]

goddammit i can't believe i read this shit

most of you should be ashamed with yourselves

[jilena]

Where did all the QQ go? This started off a lot better : /

[Nuggie]

How come the Red Socks did not make the play-offs this year tho?

Curt Shilling too busy with making his MMO IMO.

[Seaweedpimp]

you want to know why i stopped guiding? cause i couldnt listen to you ungrateful fucks anymore ...



i loled

[Tiggles]

you want to know why i stopped guiding? cause i threatened people with bans from my play characters and would track mobs for my friends in guild and had to be removed.

[Diggles]

that's why i would be the perfect guide, i have no friends

[Sold]

So just to remind everyone..Fazlazen likes little boys and posts child porn on tmo's guild webpage, that is all

[Diggles]

Just to reminds everyone, slapen is an RMTing fag

[Awwalike]

tite.

[Dantes]

Obviously the number of replies per page should be increased. That's basically all I got out of this thread.

[Ames]

Obviously the number of replies per page should be increased. That's basically all I got out of this thread.

You are aware that you can change the number of posts you see per page in the forum options, Right?

[Sold]

Just to reminds everyone, slapen is an RMTing fag

omg how did u find out?

[Uaellaen]

tiggles, try harder!

[Zenlina]

i am really sorry you feel that way, but i can honestly tell you, it is not the truth ... i am on this server since almost 2 years now ... when i got here the rumors about IB already been out there ... when i was guiding i had nothing to do with them on my game character yet, and i watched them closely, and even banned a few black sheep ... but the majority of them stuck to the rules ...

you know that TR feels the exact same way about the encounters with DA / TMO at times? The thing is, you have no clue whats going on behind the scenes, you only see scraps and bits and assume the rest ...

I recall you banning the whole DA officer team over some bullshit when you were guide and that was pretty much when i assumed you stop your guideship because you blow your load prematurely. And back then your constant suspension on veric over other people infringement caused one of the best players this server has seen to quit altogether, good work wanker.

[Seaweedpimp]

tiggles, try harder!

plz kill yourself

[Harrison]

TMO implosion so tasty. Needs moar

[Slathar]

TMO implosion so tasty. Needs moar

post count is proportional to gut size as evidenced by this trailer-dwelling inbred

[burkemi5]

post count is proportional to gut size as evidenced by this trailer-dwelling inbred

well it's really easy to pad your post count when you always provide really compelling additions to the conversation. Totally applies to Harrison here. Sarcasm btw.

[Harrison]

Aww it's no wonder slobthar is even more mad, his joke of a guild is banned.

[Xanthias]

Anyone else surprised a certain three words have not been said on this thread?

[fishingme]

Aww it's no wonder slobthar is even more mad, his joke of a guild is banned.

lol you're mad

[Rogean]

Since it seems the conspiracy theories that I do nothing but jump to TR's help are spreading into the other threads on the forums, I wanted to throw something else into the logic.

It has been mentioned that TR does not come to the forums complaining when decisions don't go their way, which is true, their guild I believe has an active policy against posting in RnF, which is why you don't see them also complaining that their petitions don't get answered (also mentioned here). I can assure you, they have petitions against TMO as well. If I can't prove TMO did something wrong, I'm not going to act on it.

Here is a perfect example of me defending TMO in a raid dispute, when I was called out by TR members on an offsite forum (since they don't post here).

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/43540-new-p1999-no-hax-emu-233.html#post2127110

Additionally, someone recently made a really good post.. if I really wanted to favor TR, I could find much better ways to do so discreetly. I could be spawning mobs for them, summoning items, make mobs wipe their competition by altering their stats temporarily... the possibilities are practically endless. I do none of these. I know people IRL from both guilds believe it or not, and they know that I actually get mad at them for calling or texting me about p99 drama.

Edit: I forgot to add.. Another good point that poster made was against the claim that I only suspended the TPP accounts instead of banned because it contained TR members.. If that was the case why wouldn't I have just removed them from the list? I was the only one with access to it. Logic = fail.

[Harrison]

inb4 more tmo tinfoil vaginaspew

[Autotune]

Since it seems the conspiracy theories that I do nothing but jump to TR's help are spreading into the other threads on the forums, I wanted to throw something else into the logic.

It has been mentioned that TR does not come to the forums complaining when decisions don't go their way, which is true, their guild I believe has an active policy against posting in RnF, which is why you don't see them also complaining that their petitions don't get answered (also mentioned here). I can assure you, they have petitions against TMO as well. If I can't prove TMO did something wrong, I'm not going to act on it.

Here is a perfect example of me defending TMO in a raid dispute, when I was called out by TR members on an offsite forum (since they don't post here).

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/43540-new-p1999-no-hax-emu-233.html#post2127110

Additionally, someone recently made a really good post.. if I really wanted to favor TR, I could find much better ways to do so discreetly. I could be spawning mobs for them, summoning items, make mobs wipe their competition by altering their stats temporarily... the possibilities are practically endless. I do none of these. I know people IRL from both guilds believe it or not, and they know that I actually get mad at them for calling or texting me about p99 drama.

Edit: I forgot to add.. Another good point that poster made was against the claim that I only suspended the TPP accounts instead of banned because it contained TR members.. If that was the case why wouldn't I have just removed them from the list? I was the only one with access to it. Logic = fail.

Obviously has RnF favortism... he can edit.

[Silentone]

^^ U came all the way back to this smelly post and didnt answer my question =( YOU HATE ME!!!! =p

[Fountree]

Can we just drop this and play nice with each other? I know theres exaggeration and QQing on both sides...lets just move on kkthx

[Awwalike]

wow, people really go onto the FoH forums lol?

[Autotune]

wow, people really go onto the FoH forums lol?

It's the hardcore EQ nerds go to discuss Hardcore things and whether they are hardcore enough or not. FoH stand for Fucking Oso Hardcore

[Silentone]

I tried to log into my OG account and it was still there LOL...dont even know how the hell i remebered it or the log in.

[Awwalike]

people are keeping the dream alive still!

[Zenlina]

The difference here Rogean is that for that specific example they go shit all over another forum instead of just staying on here, which in turn try to make p99 look bad and those modulating it. Thus you gave in and provided data with whatever fraps/evidence you had on hand to show how stupid they were. And i have to say good work with that.

But the problem at hand is lets say they did what zeelot had back on TMO, from past similar raid disruption you basically handed off whatever loot IB/TR had back to TMO/DA. But in this instance you decided to guild raid suspend because was a leadership/officer that did it? There's another way you can look at this, like them training the whole zone to zone in plus VS which in turn disrupted the player base within Karnor's. Besides Amelin and Uthg in the past mentioning not to do anything like this because of the reason i had specified, we have never attempted such a maneuver before and would only think so since TR had gotta away with it over and over again. I mean we could easily go tag trak and yank it to zone in for it to go on a raping spree but we dont.

[Lazortag]

The difference here Rogean is that for that specific example they go shit all over another forum instead of just staying on here, which in turn try to make p99 look bad and those modulating it. Thus you gave in and provided data with whatever fraps/evidence you had on hand to show how stupid they were. And i have to say good work with that.

But the problem at hand is lets say they did what zeelot had back on TMO, from past similar raid disruption you basically handed off whatever loot IB/TR had back to TMO/DA. But in this instance you decided to guild raid suspend because was a leadership/officer that did it? There's another way you can look at this, like them training the whole zone to zone in plus VS which in turn disrupted the player base within Karnor's. Besides Amelin and Uthg in the past mentioning not to do anything like this because of the reason i had specified, we have never attempted such a maneuver before and would only think so since TR had gotta away with it over and over again. I mean we could easily go tag trak and yank it to zone in for it to go on a raping spree but we dont.

Do you think there's a higher chance of the entire zone being trained when you prematurely break mez on all the mobs that are at the zoneline, or if you don't break mez on those mobs? Answer honestly.

[Tiggles]

Since it seems the conspiracy theories that I do nothing but jump to TR's help are spreading into the other threads on the forums, I wanted to throw something else into the logic.

It has been mentioned that TR does not come to the forums complaining when decisions don't go their way, which is true, their guild I believe has an active policy against posting in RnF, which is why you don't see them also complaining that their petitions don't get answered (also mentioned here). I can assure you, they have petitions against TMO as well. If I can't prove TMO did something wrong, I'm not going to act on it.

Here is a perfect example of me defending TMO in a raid dispute, when I was called out by TR members on an offsite forum (since they don't post here).

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/43540-new-p1999-no-hax-emu-233.html#post2127110

Additionally, someone recently made a really good post.. if I really wanted to favor TR, I could find much better ways to do so discreetly. I could be spawning mobs for them, summoning items, make mobs wipe their competition by altering their stats temporarily... the possibilities are practically endless. I do none of these. I know people IRL from both guilds believe it or not, and they know that I actually get mad at them for calling or texting me about p99 drama.

Edit: I forgot to add.. Another good point that poster made was against the claim that I only suspended the TPP accounts instead of banned because it contained TR members.. If that was the case why wouldn't I have just removed them from the list? I was the only one with access to it. Logic = fail.

I don't feel like you wake up in the morning and look for ways to help TR or fuck with other guilds but I do think you have a better attitude towards IB members in TR and it affects the decisions you make. I feel that the rapport that you have with these members may make you see things in a different light then other guilds even if you don't realize you are doing this.

Before you wtfban me or what ever, Im not being antagonizing or inflammitory I just wanted to show how it looks to a portion of the playerbase.


In closing,

What do I have to buy you to make you give TMO free items?

(that part was the troll part.........or was it?)

[Autotune]

Do you think there's a higher chance of the entire zone being trained when you prematurely break mez on all the mobs that are at the zoneline, or if you don't break mez on those mobs? Answer honestly.

usually TR just zones out after VS dies. We've zoned it once, but every time i've been there after that one time we've killed the train (because if you don't it greatly disrupts the zone).

[Autotune]

Also, on the whole Rogean favoritism thing. I don't think he really favors TR more than anyone else, I think he just doesn't like TMO lol. While you might think it's the same thing, I feel it's not.

I've heard theories and reasons as to why he doesn't, but honestly it doesn't matter. He isn't going anywhere so whatev.


I should be a guide. I'd be awesome at it. I love everyone.

[Autotune]

Oh, and in closing, Red bulls are awesome.

[Harrison]

DA and subsequently TMO shit up the server for a year and you don't understand why anyone would dislike them.

Do you live in the sand, or do you simply place your head in it out of convenience?

[Autotune]

DA and subsequently TMO shit up the server for a year and you don't understand why anyone would dislike them.

Do you live in the sand, or do you simply place your head in it out of convenience?

where in my posts did I say "I don't understand why this is so" I said that I have heard theories and rumors but it doesn't matter.


For the last time, stop being fuckin stupid.

[Autotune]

OH, also for as long as I can remember (since around jan 2010) ALL the raiding guilds have been shitting up the server nonstop.

You can't name one Top raiding guild that didn't (except possibly Divinity and they might not have ever been considered a top raiding guild)

Not to mention you were in TMO, also were in Gothic Circle as well if I remember correctly. So you've had your fair share of "shitting up" the server.

STFU and Sit down.

[Harrison]

I left TMO before it merged with the talentless cheating masses.

I don't associate myself willingly with scumbags. If that's your thing, so be it. Don't lump me in with your kind because I used to be in TMO pre-infestation of unskilled zerglings.

[Autotune]

I left TMO before it merged with the talentless cheating masses.

I don't associate myself willingly with scumbags. If that's your thing, so be it. Don't lump me in with your kind because I used to be in TMO pre-infestation of unskilled zerglings.

If you want to call someone out, do it. Stop calling out an entire guild like a retard tho, I know you are smarter than that.

There were some total shit bags in GC, but you don't see me referring to them as a whole, nor TR (except when it's for shitz/gigz in RnF). Call out the mother fucka that done did you wrong man. Let me hear you Roar.

http://www.fmgproduction.com/images/examples/sharevision.png

[Daldaen]

I left TMO before it merged with the talentless cheating masses.

I don't associate myself willingly with scumbags. If that's your thing, so be it. Don't lump me in with your kind because I used to be in TMO pre-infestation of unskilled zerglings.

So you were part of the TMO that poopsocked Lockets of Escape and Circlets of Shadow in an attempt to gouge prices at the beginning of Kunark?

[Autotune]

So you were part of the TMO that poopsocked Lockets of Escape and Circlets of Shadow in an attempt to gouge prices at the beginning of Kunark?

nah, he "left" pre kunark from what i remember.

[Harrison]

So you were part of the TMO that poopsocked Lockets of Escape and Circlets of Shadow in an attempt to gouge prices at the beginning of Kunark?

I logged on for the first time in months for the opening of Kunark excited to do fun shit, saw people poopsocking, logged off.

I don't poopsock. I choose to have fun in my free time. That isn't fun.

I didn't take part in that faggotry.

[Uberom]

I didn't take part in that faggotry.

Harrison picketing 'faggotry'.

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[Harrison]

My post had nothing to do with sexual orientation.

A guild can no more be homosexual than it can be heterosexual. Trollfail.

I can call you a retard without claiming you are indeed handicapped in any manner. Though, with a post like that, it could be argued that you are.

[quido]

also mister g13, bronson, jeremy, whatever your name is now ...

:confused:

[visage]

My post had nothing to do with sexual orientation.

A guild can no more be homosexual than it can be heterosexual. Trollfail.

I can call you a retard without claiming you are indeed handicapped in any manner. Though, with a post like that, it could be argued that you are.

Former Gothic Circle Member who is fat gone mad News at 11~

[Awwalike]

Gothic Circle lol

[Noser]

Also, on the whole Rogean favoritism thing. I don't think he really favors TR more than anyone else, I think he just doesn't like TMO lol. While you might think it's the same thing, I feel it's not.

I've heard theories and reasons as to why he doesn't, but honestly it doesn't matter. He isn't going anywhere so whatev.
.

There's a lot of arbitrary punishment coming from the administration and it seems that its creating backlash and suspicion. Everyone is wondering why in some cases an entire guild is suspended and in other cases it's just one individual or some such.

The problem with any disciplinary action is that it has to be consistent, otherwise people begin to question the motive. The GMs/Devs should either a) work on setting some standards to insure consistency b) make raiding free-for-all if they want to be let off the hook. or c) keep being inconsistent and getting flamed for it.

[Uaellaen]

:confused:

sorry was stoned, JEFFREY not jeremy ... so confuzzling close!

[Awwalike]

is Bronson acct banned?

[Ring]

I don't feel like you wake up in the morning and look for ways to help TR or fuck with other guilds but I do think you have a better attitude towards IB members in TR and it affects the decisions you make. I feel that the rapport that you have with these members may make you see things in a different light then other guilds even if you don't realize you are doing this.

Before you wtfban me or what ever, Im not being antagonizing or inflammitory I just wanted to show how it looks to a portion of the playerbase.


In closing,

What do I have to buy you to make you give TMO free items?

(that part was the troll part.........or was it?)

Did you read the log Eccezan posted of Durrison's AIM chat with Rogean? And you wonder why he treats TR better? I'm 100% confident Trystych, Perun, etc. don't act nearly as stupid when they try and get something done. Ever wonder if your guild leadership being full of retards who can't communicate properly or form an argument might be part of why your petitions get ignored or decisions don't go your way?

Remember that time Kinsawt talked Zeelot out of a Donald's BP and gave him a Tolan's BP instead? TMO won that Trak fair and square too. That should have been the first hint that your leadership is lacking.

Let Jeremy or someone who can type and form an argument send in petitions from now (I don't give a fuck if his old petitions were ignored, there could be a dozen reason why, don't give up). I know TMO has decent folks in it, but seriously, the people you have leading you are letting you down.

[Cwall]

pvp will fix it

[Knuckle]

goog thread

[Recycled Children]

People still play on this server? What's a Veeshan's Peak?

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000272300/polls_AdrianaLima_1836_343604_poll_xlarge.gif

Check out those peaks.

[Happyfeet]

Remember that time Kinsawt talked Zeelot out of a Donald's BP and gave him a Tolan's BP instead? TMO won that Trak fair and square too. That should have been the first hint that your leadership is lacking.


[Tue Aug 02 20:51:01 2011] You say, 'what items go from who to where?'
[Tue Aug 02 20:51:24 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If all you want is for us to not sit on the spawn, that's fine. Get rid of the First 15 rule'
[Tue Aug 02 20:51:29 2011] Zeelot says, 'we get RBB, 2 teeth, Tolans BP. Kinsawt wants: Dragon hero bracer, 1 tooth, Donals bp'

At the time we needed keys more than loot and you can't divide 3 teeth down the middle last time I tried, hence we took 2 teeth and worse loot. Chiro's Donald's BP was replaced within a week or so.

[LevinJ]

There's a lot of arbitrary punishment coming from the administration and it seems that its creating backlash and suspicion. Everyone is wondering why in some cases an entire guild is suspended and in other cases it's just one individual or some such.

The problem with any disciplinary action is that it has to be consistent, otherwise people begin to question the motive. The GMs/Devs should either a) work on setting some standards to insure consistency b) make raiding free-for-all if they want to be let off the hook. or c) keep being inconsistent and getting flamed for it.

Noser, read the chat logs. The punishments with very few exceptions are consistent. The most glaring inconsistency is probably Uthgaard's excessive punishments against choice TR members. Why was TMO raid suspended? Because one of their officers intentionally approached another guild fighting a raid encounter and used an AE spell to break the mezz of every add they had in the entire fight. He then, additionally, used SK aggro spells to taunt the mob off the guild tank and reposition the mob, causing the guild to whipe. As I heard it, his guild then moved in and killed said raid mob while it was at 30% before it had been allowed to reset. I might be mistaken on that last part though (it might have been a different guild). TR collected evidence including fraps, logs, and the TMO officer did not deny it. Another TMO officer's response (see the chat logs) was to openly admit to all of this but claim it is permissible because TMO wasn't satisfied with GM enforcement on other occasions.

This is the same as if someone robbed a bank, shot the teller in the process, then when being arrested said "well you didn't arrest the guy who cut me off the other day on the road even though I called 911 and complained, so I figured it was ok to do this today."

As Rogean said, the vast majority of incidents are simply "too close to call" and GM intervention is impossible for either side. If TR ends up with an edge at all it isn't because of GM favoritism - it is because TR knows how to handle things maturely.

Look at how many threads here are trolling and shouting like a 12 year old on a playground. How many of them are started by TR compared to TMO in the past six months? The leadership of TR is simply more mature and more articulate than TMO. From early on, TR leadership acted like professionals. They collected evidence, made thorough petitions, then waited for results. Sometimes they won, more often than not they lost on the petition front. Most petitions were never responded to. TR for a long time had a strict rule against posting in RnF by any member.

TMO, on the other hand, allowed their members to post here without limitation and to speak as members of the guild. Look at their chat logs - even the officers spoke to Rogean like self-entitled teenagers. TMO QQ'ed their way into infamy. If it seems now that they are the poor mistreated Cinderella of the server, it is because the squeeky wheel gets the grease. They simply cry more and louder.

[quido]

Selective enforcement.

All the data is there - it can be harvested. The "too close too call" scenario should have been a relic of the past a year ago for all but the very occasional set of circumstances. For whatever reason we haven't seen an implementation that can help shed light on these situations. Would it really be that damn hard to have the server keep track of some intermittent locations (during pulls) of certain outdoor dragons? No. Would it really be that difficult to allow guides to see aggro lists and such for certain raid mobs when the encounter doesn't result in a kill? No.

A couple weeks ago I watched as a pair of TR monk alts repeatedly aggroed Vox, ran through a door into our camp, waited a moment, and FDed in an attempt to have her glitch aggro us through the wall. Deny it or whatever, I don't care; it definitely happened, and it definitely happened out of malice. I don't give a fuck about a single encounter. What I care about is that we have absolutely zero recourse against shady behavior given the state of things, usually. If you want to try to enforce a set of ridiculous rules, how about you actually give yourselves and your staff the means by which you and they can effectively and fairly mediate these disputes, because right now it just looks like you're leaving things purposely unclear, purposely vague, to give yourselves wiggle room to do whatever the fuck it is you please for whatever reason.

I know I'm going to get trashed for posting this and I really don't care what you think. If you'd seen the events of recent history unfold as I had, given that you're a reasonable person with a three-digit IQ, you couldn't not agree.

For one reason or another, this is a bunch of fucking bullshit.

[mostbitter]

gms should just disband these guilds and put a 30 member limit on guilds across the server then everyone can watch dbz and be happy

[Pheer]

A couple weeks ago I watched as a pair of TR monk alts repeatedly aggroed Vox, ran through a door into our camp, waited a moment, and FDed in an attempt to have her glitch aggro us through the wall. Deny it or whatever, I don't care; it definitely happened, and it definitely happened out of malice. I don't give a fuck about a single encounter. What I care about is that we have absolutely zero recourse against shady behavior given the state of things, usually. If you want to try to enforce a set of ridiculous rules, how about you actually give yourselves and your staff the means by which you and they can effectively and fairly mediate these disputes, because right now it just looks like you're leaving things purposely unclear, purposely vague, to give yourselves wiggle room to do whatever the fuck it is you please for whatever reason.

Damn I think this is only like the 8372nd time I've seen someone bitch about their interpretation of a situation without any real hard facts to back it up. "He fd'ed somewhere in my vicinity so he was trying to train me."

I remember a time in fear where I was kiting a solid 1/3 of the zone in circles around the zone in portal as people in both TR and TMO zoned in. Then when I ran out near the firewall picking up any strays on the way to north wall to keep the path clear as BOTH guilds ran there, ooc immediately was spammed with TMO people bitching that I was "trying to train them" and other such nonsense, followed immediately by a tell from a gm asking me why they were getting a tidal wave of crying from TMO members claiming I tried to train them.

[LevinJ]

they were getting a tidal wave of crying from TMO members claiming I tried to train them.

This. Read my last post and then read this. GMs are human, too. Anyone on this board who would be judgmental, think how you would feel as a GM if this is what you get all the time from one guild.

In TR, when we felt something wrong was happening, our bitching was in guildchat - not directed at GMs. (Until we learned that a certain GM had silently added himself to our guild and was monitoring our guildchat and feeding info to another guild... but that's another story.) Then a guild officer would tell us to stfu and let them handle it and ask for all fraps/logs/etc to be sent to them so they could collect it and send one coherent message to the GMs.

[relapsee69]

Damn I think this is only like the 8372nd time I've seen someone bitch about their interpretation of a situation without any real hard facts to back it up.

[Zereh]

Rogean acknowledged that he has indeed ruled against TR in -a- dispute. That's right folks. One time. Just how many petitions have involved IB/TR. And one time they were found to be in the wrong.

If anyone had been paying attention to what has been going on around here for the past eight weeks or so they would have known that a shitstorm was brewing. How many of TMO's raid-related petitions have been responded to in the past two months? That would be a big fat fucking ZERO. Yet all it takes is one personal phone call from TR before he comes charging onto the scene to fix their widdle problem.

How about a quick recap of the lastest two incidents involving TR and TMO:

Sev pops. TMO had first aggro, mobilized first and was pulling him to our camp when TR decided they had the right to gank Sev because they didn't agree with the route the Sev was on while being pulled. No rule was being broken by TMO ~ TR just didn't like how it was being done. TMO was not stalling for time and hoping for more to log in (though that is a fine trick that TR uses frequently and successfully) they had a raid force there and ready. But TR grabs Sev and takes the kill. TMO petitions. Again. That’s one more in the queue gathering dust. But not one peep was said about this incident by the staff. Not addressing an issue like that is tantamount to giving TR permission to do as they please. Yes, TR’s rule lawyers were out in force over this one but it all boils down to the fact that they are very confident that they have the right to do as they wish.

But wait, here's the good part! TMO touches a couple of the 87 adds that are at the entrance of KC while TR is losing their asses to VS and guess what happens? TMO is banned from raiding for a week. We didn't cause them to wipe. We didn't try to gank VS out from under them. We touched their adds. Adds which they did not have under control.

So the lesson learned from this round is: TR ganking a dragon is perfectly acceptable; TMO touching trash mobs means a raid suspension. If you can’t see the huge disparity of how things are enforced around here it is because you don't want to – it’s not because it doesn't exist.

You do realize that by bring up Uthgaard you just drive home the fact that the "even playing field" that is supposed to exist on P99 is an utter myth. =P Uthgaard was the only one who didn't kowtow to TR. He was expected to cater to TR but refused to do so. So the only person who had the balls to call TR out on their shit ... is gone. And now that he isn’t around, you're back to business as usual. With approval from the top no less.

So does that mean you finally win EQ, Bro 99 style?

[Rogean]

Lol, I have never seen so many baseless unproven claims in a rage thread before in my life. Yea, we have an upstanding policy on the staff to do nothing but favor TR in disputes. I tell all my GM's and Guide's to make sure they cater to TR.

Get a fucking life Zereh.

[Kinsawt]

A 'couple' according to Zereh.

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[Enygmad]

Get a fucking life Zereh.

He's right Zereh - shouldn't you be levelling your ghetto cleric on Fippy with the rest of your loser tin foil hat crew? I feel sorry for the GMs on Fippy who'll have to deal with your endless baseless bullshit.

Sworen

[Tiggles]

Tmo gets a week long ban to discourage members from playing then they get unbanned a day before VP so they can "compete" with TR who had a week of stress free raiding.

When I was a kid I would watch wrestling and I would remember in the 80s you would always see the undertaker fight these no name jobbers that the wwf picked for him to destroy. That's the kind of competition TR likes and that is the competition TR has now.

[Kinsawt]

Not to derail all the rage with more facts.

But hadn't we gotten every mob for like the past 12 days 'prior' to the TMO suspension, minus like a Draco or two?

And honestly, if Rogean wanted to cater to TR for VP, wouldn't they have just released it anytime between April 1st and say mid-August, when we were the only ones who had a raid force ready?

[Rogean]

If I wanted to cater to TR for VP.. I would have released it last weekend, or tomorrow. Instead I intentionally waited so TMO will have the same chance as TR.

[Zereh]

Short, sweet and factual:

Did TR take Sev out from under TMO? Yes
Did TR get raid banned? No

Did TMO take VS out from under TR? No
Did TMO get raid banned? Yes

[Autotune]

but that wouldn't be subtle.

You have to be subtle

subtle.

[Autotune]

Short, sweet and factual:

Did TR take Sev out from under TMO? Yes
Did TR get raid banned? No

Did TMO take VS out from under TR? No
Did TMO get raid banned? Yes

TR pulled a draco off us once in fear too, with rogean in the zone. Afterwards, Rogean just handed us the loot and banned one of TMO's members for petitioning.


Don't forget that one.

[Ektar]

There was this time once in kc tmo pulled vs off of tr.

wait did I get that wrong?

[Enygmad]

Short, sweet and factual:

Is Zereh a drooling mongoloid? Yes
Did TR get raid banned? No

Did the chat log with Durison and Rogean make Durison look like he had over a 50 IQ? No
Did TMO get raid banned? Yes

[Autotune]

also, we kinda just helped them wipe with the whole VS thing. So in a way, we did actually take it from under them, but they'd of wiped anyhow.

Or just sat AoE mezzing the mobs and chain rune'n their tank while TR/VD members slowly trickled in. (they probably wouldn't have made it tho)



So technically, we kinda did the same thing they did to us on Sev. Where they thought we were kiting him (taking longer to kill him than normally) we kinda did the same thing.

It's all retarded tho, people just need to learn how to get away with things better.

[Ektar]

that's some serious johnny cochran shit you just pulled, son

[Autotune]

that's some serious johnny cochran shit you just pulled, son

/bow

[Enygmad]

Text wall of stupidity

http://i.imgur.com/TBrsF.jpg

[Nizzarr]

Did burgles(relapsee, enygmad) train nagafen on us during that raid 3-4 weeks ago?
yes

Did burgles(relapsee, enygmad) and TR get a week off?
no

is relapsee a drooling redneck wigger?
yes


Training is OK, hitting mobs on a zone disrupting pull isnt OK and will put you're whole guild in a raid suspension and get whoever hit those mobs suspended.

You can also kite mobs for over 5 minutes(hi perun) and not get your leadership/puller suspended. Hell if the other guild abides by the rules and not engage said mob and wait for the GMs to take care of the issue.

You can also engage a pulled mob without waiting for GMs intervention and think you can lay down the law by yourself, and you get away with it.

But raiding is fine on this server, theres really no issues -- move along.

[Ektar]

nizzarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr remember getting lustrous together? good times

[relapsee69]

what is this enygmad shit? i don't need to hide behind a troll account to say you are dumb.... NO TRUCE IN THE SHADOW

[Enygmad]

Failed detective work

http://i.imgur.com/cGtiS.jpg

Ironically this picture is probably more insulting to Inspector Clouseau's intelligence than Nizzarr's. On top of that, Peter Seller's french accent is more believable too.

[Gmal]

what is this enygmad shit? i don't need to hide behind a troll account to say you are dumb.... NO TRUCE IN THE SHADOW

Hey Relapsee I was on that raid we watched ya pulling all the giants onto us after Naggy crashed and burned on that naggy raid about a month ago. You even brought us a Crown to divy out. That is what he is talking about. Wasnt much of an issue we killed them all but non the less we saw you run up first set of stairs and into naggy liar FD and here comes about 5 Giants in toe. Its ok though was a noble attempt =-) Yes this was on the toon Enygmad. Im not mad atcha.

Sab

[Ektar]

lol one time while niz was on his rogue, he was group leader in kc jail group, and wouldn't invite me as the new tank, so they reformed the group around him and invited me and a new dps.

lololol

lolololololol

[relapsee69]

Wasnt much of an issue we killed them all but non the less we saw you run up first set of stairs and into naggy liar FD and here comes about 5 Giants in toe. Its ok though was a noble attempt =-)

Sab

I almost thought your story was true untill i remembered my rogue does not have the FD ability ... but hey nice try though

[Autotune]

I almost thought your story was true untill i remembered my rogue does not have the FD ability ... but hey nice try though

well then maybe you just D'd

[Shiftin]

I'll quote this since it fell to a previous page and no TMO wanted to yell about kiting sev while it was still fresh in people's minds. Getsome also drew a few nice maps proving how long it should take to bring sev to your camp by both routes. Feel free to re-read them, but shut up about sev.

You got a response. There is no evidence to prove you weren't kiting the mob and some evidence that you were. At the very least it's not conclusive because a mob that's being kited is not engaged.

Your leaders and ours have been given that ruling by every single GM or guide who has ever presided over a raid dispute. Your officers and raid leaders keep trying to pretend that's not true and that they haven't been warned multiple times about it, but it is. If they didn't know this rule, they wouldn't have told your bards to attempt to pull talendor off of our bards in the past when they thought we were kiting.

The only evidence presented has suggested you were kiting. The things you keep presenting as the facts have been disproven as massive exaggerations. If they were the actual facts (they aren't) and you could prove them (you can't), we wouldn't be having this talk. India, you are completely missing the point. He didn't run straight to your raid. He took the very longest way possible and it took him a material amount of time longer than to just run the long way. That means he intentionally dragged the dragon way out of the way rather than straight to your raid, waiting for the dragon to catch up to him on his out of the way path. This is how you define kiting. Continually pointing out that he took this path and made sure the dragon followed him is just admitting that he kited.

Of course there is going to be a disparity in rulings between that and what happened on VS. The reason is a disparity of evidence. Make your bards run fraps and tell everyone to keep their logs on. Quit relying on forum trolls thinking they'll incite the GMs to action with worthless threats.

I'm sorry you got raid suspended, but you have 1 person to blame for that and it's not the first time he's done this sort of thing. From trying to game FTE with idols and feeding trak lifetaps to stealing triggered mobs in sky, he has operated as if the rules did not apply to him for almost 3 months. Your members have taunted us here and in game, flaunting what they have gotten away with in the face of dozens of fraps and logs proving what he was doing. You followed and supported him anyway. You cannot cry foul when a ruling finally goes against you because of your guildleaders actions. You knew full well what he was doing. Your own members even admitted it in tells to us.

Jeremy, the selective enforcement claims can easily go both ways. Have you completely forgotten getting TMO and Taken to band together to steal our triggered noble cycle in sky (taken admitted they were wrong, you still haven't)? How about the 13 minute+ sev kites from august? How about Lenfer training everything from boogey house to graveyard on us at west wall, naked, then getting ressed back to his clothed body at your camp during a contested CT? Zeelot engaging trak when you had 7 people in the lair as we rushed in? Winterfresh (durison) training us with juggs? Zeelot pulling aggro on our trakanons to get lifetapped week after week? The crap your pullers did on Faydedar so you could claim FTE? Do I really have to remind you, an otherwise intelligent person, about these things? We have open petitions just as old as yours.

It goes both ways, and just because we don't have massive RNF threads every time we don't get our way doesn't mean we haven't had petitions ignored. We don't flip out and threaten to start our own server, we move on and collect better proof. The devs have a ton of work to do on this server, and are constantly doing stuff (see: the massive changelogs from this weeks patch). They shouldn't have to develop a custom tool to make you feel warm and fuzzy in raid disputes. Run fraps or even take some screenshots. Set your .ini to log all the time. This isn't rocket surgery. You're a cool dude but you're starting to sound like Zereh.

Speaking of... I can't believe Zereh and co. are already trying to rewrite the history of what happenned at VS. "Oh, it was a few mobs, you would have wiped anyway!". It was a crapton of mobs and he wouldn't have done it if VS wasn't going to die. There's a freaking video and logs. Sack up and admit what he did was blatantly and intentionally meant to attempt to wipe us. If you can't even admit that, why should you have any credibility?

[relapsee69]

Yes this was on the toon Enygmad. Sab

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2413/bushtower.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/bushtower.jpg/)

[Autotune]

I'll quote this since it fell to a previous page and no TMO wanted to yell about kiting sev while it was still fresh in people's minds. Getsome also drew a few nice maps proving how long it should take to bring sev to your camp by both routes. Feel free to re-read them, but shut up about sev.



Jeremy, the selective enforcement claims can easily go both ways. Have you completely forgotten getting TMO and Taken to band together to steal our triggered noble cycle in sky (taken admitted they were wrong, you still haven't)? How about the 13 minute+ sev kites from august? How about Lenfer training everything from boogey house to graveyard on us at west wall, naked, then getting ressed back to his clothed body at your camp during a contested CT? Zeelot engaging trak when you had 7 people in the lair as we rushed in? Winterfresh (durison) training us with juggs? Zeelot pulling aggro on our trakanons to get lifetapped week after week? The crap your pullers did on Faydedar so you could claim FTE? Do I really have to remind you, an otherwise intelligent person, about these things? We have open petitions just as old as yours.

It goes both ways, and just because we don't have massive RNF threads every time we don't get our way doesn't mean we haven't had petitions ignored. We don't flip out and threaten to start our own server, we move on and collect better proof. The devs have a ton of work to do on this server, and are constantly doing stuff (see: the massive changelogs from this weeks patch). They shouldn't have to develop a custom tool to make you feel warm and fuzzy in raid disputes. Run fraps or even take some screenshots. Set your .ini to log all the time. This isn't rocket surgery. You're a cool dude but you're starting to sound like Zereh.

Speaking of... I can't believe Zereh and co. are already trying to rewrite the history of what happenned at VS. "Oh, it was a few mobs, you would have wiped anyway!". It was a crapton of mobs and he wouldn't have done it if VS wasn't going to die. There's a freaking video and logs. Sack up and admit what he did was blatantly and intentionally meant to attempt to wipe us. If you can't even admit that, why should you have any credibility?

wtb video to watch. There were some things I remember seeing that would be nice to talk about. Also, still wtb that sev video.

[relapsee69]

wtb video to watch. There were some things I remember seeing that would be nice to talk about. Also, still wtb that sev video.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/2112800-post3055.html

couple videos there

[Autotune]

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/2112800-post3055.html

couple videos there

those aren't the videos i'm looking for. *waves hand*

[Tiggles]

If I wanted to cater to TR for VP.. I would have released it last weekend, or tomorrow. Instead I intentionally waited so TMO will have the same chance as TR.

If you did that then it would of been 100% undeniable favoritism.

This is like the referee hitting his friends opponent in the parking lot with his car then helping him to the ring to "compete".


Sorry I woke up this morning and they had this wrestling movie on TV got me thinking

[Ektar]

You are guilty on account of not being obvious.

NEXT CASE

[Shiftin]

Tmo gets a week long ban to discourage members from playing then they get unbanned a day before VP so they can "compete" with TR who had a week of stress free raiding.

BTW this is phenomenally dumb. You know when VP is coming. You have a week off poopsocking to finish your prep. Not to mention you've had *seven months* to set your guild plans to be ready for VP and now you have the perfect week to get ready.

[Tiggles]

BTW this is phenomenally dumb. You know when VP is coming. You have a week off poopsocking to finish your prep. Not to mention you've had *seven months* to set your guild plans to be ready for VP and now you have the perfect week to get ready.

TMO is prepared but it is discouraging to know when ever TR does something in VP in the future we will be the ones who will get punished.

Thats what I'm talking about, not getting keys all our raiders have keys for the most part.

[Ektar]

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/Postorofpictures/jesus-on-cross-03.jpg

[Autotune]

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/Postorofpictures/jesus-on-cross-03.jpg

I'm now officially offended.
























Jesus was black

[Recycled Children]

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[LevinJ]

also, we kinda just helped them wipe with the whole VS thing. So in a way, we did actually take it from under them, but they'd of wiped anyhow.

Or just sat AoE mezzing the mobs and chain rune'n their tank while TR/VD members slowly trickled in. (they probably wouldn't have made it tho)



So technically, we kinda did the same thing they did to us on Sev. Where they thought we were kiting him (taking longer to kill him than normally) we kinda did the same thing.

It's all retarded tho, people just need to learn how to get away with things better.

So let me get this straight. TMO's position is they can tell that TR was going to wipe - on a mob they have killed dozens of times - due to adds of trash mobs from KC - even though TR has recently proven they can kill the entire zone of PoH mobs as a recreation activity in one AE pull - and that is why you decided to repeatedly cast AE spells to break the mezz of those mobs and also reposition the raid encounter? Rather than letting TR wipe, rubbing their noses in it, and then getting the mob, you felt this was the correct course of action... To "help nature take its course" as you seem to claim.

If this is TMO's official explanation then they are fucking idiots or full of shit. Either explanation deserves the raid suspension.

[L1ch]

http://i.imgur.com/sTEsS.png

i hate ungrateful fucks

[Hypeshot]

If this is TMO's official explanation

Clearly ,Since Autotune said it the entire guild must be backing him 100%.
No way could he have just been poking fun about the situation... idiot

[Silentone]

seems like someone is mad

[Autotune]

So let me get this straight. TMO's position is they can tell that TR was going to wipe - on a mob they have killed dozens of times - due to adds of trash mobs from KC - even though TR has recently proven they can kill the entire zone of PoH mobs as a recreation activity in one AE pull - and that is why you decided to repeatedly cast AE spells to break the mezz of those mobs and also reposition the raid encounter? Rather than letting TR wipe, rubbing their noses in it, and then getting the mob, you felt this was the correct course of action... To "help nature take its course" as you seem to claim.

If this is TMO's official explanation then they are fucking idiots or full of shit. Either explanation deserves the raid suspension.

did i say this was TMO's official explanation?

Congratz on being the dumbest fucking idiot in TR. /golfclap

Oh, and PoH mobs are serious business lol.

[LevinJ]

Clearly ,Since Autotune said it the entire guild must be backing him 100%.
No way could he have just been poking fun about the situation... idiot



did i say this was TMO's official explanation?

Congratz on being the dumbest fucking idiot in TR. /golfclap

Oh, and PoH mobs are serious business lol.



Wow... two illiterate TMO members snagged off of one fishing pole. I said, and you properly quoted me:

If this is TMO's official explanation then...

IF this is their official position, THEN this is my opinion of it. I did not say it certainly is their official position... my sentence included what is known as "conditional reasoning." Basic reading skills 101 is now completed for today, children.

Oh, and btw, Autotune: Yes, it is relevant that TR can kill all of PoH in one pull to your argument. Your argument that TR would wipe was largely based on them having a couple dozen KC trash mobs mezzed along with VS. I am pretty sure PoH mobs are tougher than most KC trash mobs, and I guarantee the entire plane's worth of mobs is tougher than a couple dozen KC mobs.

[Bossco]

ut oh, you guys have started fighting over semantics.... can we bring the real drama back?

or better yet, you guys should put this energy into coming to my public Gorenaire raid tomorrow 4:30 est http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18909



P.S. Yeah, this is a shameless plug? wut of it, bro?

[Autotune]

Wow... two illiterate TMO members snagged off of one fishing pole. I said, and you properly quoted me:



IF this is their official position, THEN this is my opinion of it. I did not say it certainly is their official position... my sentence included what is known as "conditional reasoning." Basic reading skills 101 is now completed for today, children.

Oh, and btw, Autotune: Yes, it is relevant that TR can kill all of PoH in one pull to your argument. Your argument that TR would wipe was largely based on them having a couple dozen KC trash mobs mezzed along with VS. I am pretty sure PoH mobs are tougher than most KC trash mobs, and I guarantee the entire plane's worth of mobs is tougher than a couple dozen KC mobs.

Nah hoe, you acted like I spoke for TMO as a whole, when in fact I never do. I speak from my own point of view, always. I usually even talk about TMO as from a 3rd party perspective (clearly evident in 95% of my posts).

The only one that be gettin all eeliterate be you.

Also, when you have people not engaging VS, then after having someone CAPSLOCK in say to get people to engage, then have people start dying and people zoning, it kinda looks like a wipe to me. I mean, I'm not a wipe calling referee, but if i were, I'd definitely have to call that the beginning stages of a wipe.

Just say-n, but you can continue to
http://i40.tinypic.com/mr65ud.jpg

[LevinJ]

Once your argument has been defeated, resort to name calling and denial. Impressive. Again TMO members display why they are the pimple on this server's ass. Go QQ some more.

[Autotune]

Once your argument has been defeated, resort to name calling and denial. Impressive. Again TMO members display why they are the pimple on this server's ass. Go QQ some more.

what argument lol? I made none, nor did I recognize your retard statement as one. Please do go on :)

[LevinJ]

what argument lol? I made none, nor did I recognize your retard statement as one. Please do go on :)

Typical TMO style. Rant and rave and make up bullshit. Get called on said bullshit. Realize you are in over your head because someone with a triple digit IQ is responding to your posts now. In desperation and confusion resort to big words, sarcasm, and denial.

If the poster still continues to prod said TMO member, who now better resembles a cornered wild animal than a human being, the TMO member will lash out violently. Once we reach that level we get to observe the TMO member attempting blind blanket denials of anything the poster even seems to accuse the TMO member of, no matter that the same TMO member admitted as much in the same thread. If the TMO member perceives the poster is accusing him of something, he will deny it violently. If it is pointed out that the TMO member failed to read the words written properly, he will even deny that and accuse the other poster of "meaning to say that."

At this point the TMO member isn't even attempting to wipe the drool from his chin as he shouts "retard!" and other childish names. Somewhere out there Autotune is crying right now out of sheer frustration. I suspect a few more responses to this thread will result in a /wrist. Sorry Autotune, I will try to switch to smaller words from here out so you can keep up.

[Awwalike]

^
trying too hard bro.

[Ele]

So let me get this straight. TMO's position is they can tell that TR was going to wipe - on a mob they have killed dozens of times - due to adds of trash mobs from KC - even though TR has recently proven they can kill the entire zone of PoH mobs as a recreation activity in one AE pull - and that is why you decided to repeatedly cast AE spells to break the mezz of those mobs and also reposition the raid encounter? Rather than letting TR wipe, rubbing their noses in it, and then getting the mob, you felt this was the correct course of action... To "help nature take its course" as you seem to claim.

If this is TMO's official explanation then they are fucking idiots or full of shit. Either explanation deserves the raid suspension.

Bro why you making up stuff that didn't happen?

Looks to me like you guys killed the stunnable stuff which is hardly the entire zone. Then the rest of the zone came back to kill you. lol

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ko5PoR0eRTY

[burkemi5]

Bro why you making up stuff that didn't happen?

Looks to me like you guys killed the stunnable stuff which is hardly the entire zone. Then the rest of the zone came back to kill you. lol

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ko5PoR0eRTY

i wish i could have been in that xp group

[Autotune]

Typical TMO style. Rant and rave and make up bullshit. Get called on said bullshit. Realize you are in over your head because someone with a triple digit IQ is responding to your posts now. In desperation and confusion resort to big words, sarcasm, and denial.

If the poster still continues to prod said TMO member, who now better resembles a cornered wild animal than a human being, the TMO member will lash out violently. Once we reach that level we get to observe the TMO member attempting blind blanket denials of anything the poster even seems to accuse the TMO member of, no matter that the same TMO member admitted as much in the same thread. If the TMO member perceives the poster is accusing him of something, he will deny it violently. If it is pointed out that the TMO member failed to read the words written properly, he will even deny that and accuse the other poster of "meaning to say that."

At this point the TMO member isn't even attempting to wipe the drool from his chin as he shouts "retard!" and other childish names. Somewhere out there Autotune is crying right now out of sheer frustration. I suspect a few more responses to this thread will result in a /wrist. Sorry Autotune, I will try to switch to smaller words from here out so you can keep up.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/Bigsteve87/Gifs/didntreadloldance.gif

[Aadill]

go pvp bros i hear the weather is stellar this time of year

[Chanur]

Nah hoe, you acted like I spoke for TMO as a whole, when in fact I never do. I speak from my own point of view, always. I usually even talk about TMO as from a 3rd party perspective (clearly evident in 95% of my posts).

The only one that be gettin all eeliterate be you.

Also, when you have people not engaging VS, then after having someone CAPSLOCK in say to get people to engage, then have people start dying and people zoning, it kinda looks like a wipe to me. I mean, I'm not a wipe calling referee, but if i were, I'd definitely have to call that the beginning stages of a wipe.

Just say-n, but you can

From the ignorant unemployed trailer trash point of view.

[Autotune]

From the ignorant unemployed trailer trash point of view.

why you so slow?

[Ektar]

slow and steady wins the race, son

[Autotune]

slow and steady wins the race, son

that guy doesn't seem to be standing on a solid foundation to me.

[LevinJ]

I wanted to make another inflammatory response, but there were too many big words in that post for me to understand. So, instead, I claimed that I didn't even read the post. This is after I have responded to longer posts in the same thread. I spent ten minutes on Google finding just the write gif to express that I didn't read the post.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

I wanted to make another inflammatory response, but there were too many big words in that post for me to understand. So, instead, I claimed that I didn't even read the post. This is after I have responded to longer posts in the same thread. I spent ten minutes on Google finding just the write gif to express that I didn't read the post.


http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/Bigsteve87/Gifs/didntreadloldance.gif

[Ektar]

they need to do a children's book about a slow and wobbly turtle racing a fast and stable rabbit and see who wins

[Feachie]

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/Bigsteve87/Gifs/didntreadloldance.gif

ride that jeep baby, that turquoise jeep baby

[Ektar]

hi feachie welcome to the party

[Szeth]

Ektar, RnF is slow today, make a gif showing the outcome of the shadows plot against Taken imo

[Ektar]

I sunk so much creativity and time into the last one ooomg. though I just had a moment of inspiration.. we'll see