Putting the Pieces Together

[Orruar]

So I don't pay much attention to server drama, but I was curious about the whole Uthgaard thing. This is my understanding of the situation.

Some person was supposedly testing in VP to get info ahead of time to give TR an advantage. Nevermind that this info is 10 years old and can be found in any one of a hundred places on the internet. This would really only affect 2 guilds currently, and most of us don't give a shit about their petty drama. So Uthgaard calls this person out, with or without real evidence, but in the wrong place. He makes it public instead of keeping it between the server owners. He gets called out on this bs, and rage quits because of perceived favoritism on an issue that the vast majority of the server doesn't care about. Do I have this pretty much correct?

[Kruel]

So I don't pay much attention to server drama, but I was curious about the whole Uthgaard thing. This is my understanding of the situation.

Some person was supposedly testing in VP to get info ahead of time to give TR an advantage. Nevermind that this info is 10 years old and can be found in any one of a hundred places on the internet. This would really only affect 2 guilds currently, and most of us don't give a shit about their petty drama. So Uthgaard calls this person out, with or without real evidence, but in the wrong place. He makes it public instead of keeping it between the server owners. He gets called out on this bs, and rage quits because of perceived favoritism on an issue that the vast majority of the server doesn't care about. Do I have this pretty much correct?

wow, you are actually correct. This is R&F, your logic has no place here!

[Versus]

From what I've gathered (not much, I can't play/read boards M-F now), is that he brought the unfair advantage/abuse of Dev powers to the server ownership and they shrugged it off. He "ragequit" because they were doing nothing to uphold the integrity of the server to make it an even playing field.

Having strats/info of 11 year old content is one thing, being able to have a dedicated private server with *exact* simulations of P99 Veeshan's Peak to perfect strats/mechanics before everyone else via your guild leaders devious abuse of Dev powers is another.

Again, this is just what I've come to know in the past 12 hours.

[Slathar]

So I don't pay much attention to server drama, but I was curious about the whole Uthgaard thing. This is my understanding of the situation.

Some person was supposedly testing in VP to get info ahead of time to give TR an advantage. Nevermind that this info is 10 years old and can be found in any one of a hundred places on the internet. This would really only affect 2 guilds currently, and most of us don't give a shit about their petty drama. So Uthgaard calls this person out, with or without real evidence, but in the wrong place. He makes it public instead of keeping it between the server owners. He gets called out on this bs, and rage quits because of perceived favoritism on an issue that the vast majority of the server doesn't care about. Do I have this pretty much correct?

This person is an applicant to TR btw

[Autotune]

So I don't pay much attention to server drama, but I was curious about the whole Uthgaard thing. This is my understanding of the situation.

Some person was supposedly testing in VP to get info ahead of time to give TR an advantage. Nevermind that this info is 10 years old and can be found in any one of a hundred places on the internet. This would really only affect 2 guilds currently, and most of us don't give a shit about their petty drama. So Uthgaard calls this person out, with or without real evidence, but in the wrong place. He makes it public instead of keeping it between the server owners. He gets called out on this bs, and rage quits because of perceived favoritism on an issue that the vast majority of the server doesn't care about. Do I have this pretty much correct?

to answer your question. No you don't.

VP of ~10yrs ago will not =/= VP on p99.

Having the p99 VP copy would vastly benefit a guild over having an exact copy of the VP build that was on live back when it was first released.

Some people tend to forget how much is different on p99 as opposed to live "back in the day"

[Supreme]

From what I've gathered (not much, I can't play/read boards M-F now), is that he brought the unfair advantage/abuse of Dev powers to the server ownership and they shrugged it off. He "ragequit" because they were doing nothing to uphold the integrity of the server to make it an even playing field.

Having strats/info of 11 year old content is one thing, being able to have a dedicated private server with *exact* simulations of P99 Veeshan's Peak to perfect strats/mechanics before everyone else via your guild leaders devious abuse of Dev powers is another.

Again, this is just what I've come to know in the past 12 hours.

Just a guess.

Nilbog/Rogean knew that Xzerion had a test server up to get VP ready. Xzerion used Dev powers to test the VP/Velious content. Uthgaard was not told. Uthgaard suspects Xzerion. Uthgaard calls out Xzerion before discussing with Nilbog/Rogean. Uthgaard causes drama for server admins by releasing chat logs. Server admins are in the know...uthgaard is not. Uthgaard feels he is being undermined and quits.


Just a guess.

[superapan]

Xzerion doesn't even get a two week off and 60 % xp loss. :D

[Orruar]

to answer your question. No you don't.

VP of ~10yrs ago will not =/= VP on p99.

Having the p99 VP copy would vastly benefit a guild over having an exact copy of the VP build that was on live back when it was first released.

Some people tend to forget how much is different on p99 as opposed to live "back in the day"

Ah, so they're making VP different here to be more challenging or something?

[Orruar]

This person is an applicant to TR btw

I am? Shit, why didn't anyone tell me? Do I need to go buy new socks?

[Autotune]

Ah, so they're making VP different here to be more challenging or something?

every time they release anything, there are bugs that are different. Pathing bugs, mobs not using certain abilities/raid target los issues and so forth.

Things that take time to learn and find out. However, if you have all that and have been playing with it for week/s before the actual release of VP. You have a great leg up and don't have to worry about reporting it until your competition becomes aware.


Only some times will they change things on purpose to make the game more challenging. I won't go into why these things get changed tho, most already know.

[Chanur]

VP will be close enough, if anyone did VP back in the day they would know the basics.

[Autotune]

VP will be close enough, if anyone did VP back in the day they would know the basics.

This is where i'd normally say, "Quit being stupid."

However, I know it's not possible for you.

[Cyrano]

This person is an applicant to TR btw

He's not an app you dumbfuck. Get Loly's dick out of your mouth and learn to think for yourself instead of attacking anyone whose opinion differs from your own.

All you TMO bitches are going to cry no matter what anyone does, it's in your nature to feel insecure. The simple fact is that you hate TR more than you like yourselves and anyone who is stupid enough to listen to your retarded opinions belongs in your circlejerk.

I know there are plenty of cool and levelheaded people in your guild but the vocal minority of TMO comes off like a bunch of children on these forums. Why don't you guys just shut up and keep copying all of our strats? I bet if we started camping our guild in Crypt for Trak you guys would scream we were cheating somehow all the while sitting right on top of us because you have yet to develop a single strat for yourselves.

[Autotune]

He's not an app you dumbfuck. Get Loly's dick out of your mouth and learn to think for yourself instead of attacking anyone whose opinion differs from your own.

All you TMO bitches are going to cry no matter what anyone does, it's in your nature to feel insecure. The simple fact is that you hate TR more than you like yourselves and anyone who is stupid enough to listen to your retarded opinions belongs in your circlejerk.

I know there are plenty of cool and levelheaded people in your guild but the vocal minority of TMO comes off like a bunch of children on these forums. Why don't you guys just shut up and keep copying all of our strats? I bet if we started camping our guild in Crypt for Trak you guys would scream we were cheating somehow all the while sitting right on top of us because you have yet to develop a single strat for yourselves.

Slathar isn't TMO.

You can keep wishing he were tho.

[yaaaflow]

Whys he so obsessed with calling anyone taking the non-TMO view on these situations a TR member then?

[Cyrano]

Slathar isn't TMO.

You can keep wishing he were tho.

I never said he does, go comb through that and find where I refer to him as TMO and get back to me on it.

Keep wishing I didn't speak in regards to two different subjects in that post though.

[Diggles]

Same reason Harrison hops on the dick of anyone who says something bad about TR

They're nobodies that want to cling to some ounce of fame; by being a douche.

although I don't mind slathar

[yaaaflow]

Yeah but literally nobody likes Harrison or respects his opinions on either side of any argument, whereas there are several TMO members doing the exact same nonsense as Slathar?

[Autotune]

I never said he does, go comb through that and find where I refer to him as TMO and get back to me on it.

Keep wishing I didn't speak in regards to two different subjects in that post though.

oh I apologize. You had his quote. I just figured you were replying to him. Silly me.

Continue quoting random people and then call out TMO for "shady business" lol.

[azeth]

you have yet to develop a single strat for yourselves.

just wondering, how many times did you kill EoV prior to Kunark?

[Slathar]

He's not an app you dumbfuck. Get Loly's dick out of your mouth and learn to think for yourself instead of attacking anyone whose opinion differs from your own.

All you TMO bitches are going to cry no matter what anyone does, it's in your nature to feel insecure. The simple fact is that you hate TR more than you like yourselves and anyone who is stupid enough to listen to your retarded opinions belongs in your circlejerk.

I know there are plenty of cool and levelheaded people in your guild but the vocal minority of TMO comes off like a bunch of children on these forums. Why don't you guys just shut up and keep copying all of our strats? I bet if we started camping our guild in Crypt for Trak you guys would scream we were cheating somehow all the while sitting right on top of us because you have yet to develop a single strat for yourselves.


Looks like someone is mad that their cheating developer guild leader has been outted by for what he is. Sorry, bro.

[Slathar]

I've never been associated with TMO in any way, either. Sorry, bro.

[yaaaflow]

Looks like someone is mad that their cheating developer guild leader has been outted by for what he is. Sorry, bro.

But wait, if Xzerion is a cheater then clearly Nilbog and Rogean are in on it! This conspiracy goes all the way to the top!

[Knuckle]

to answer your question. No you don't.

VP of ~10yrs ago will not =/= VP on p99.

Having the p99 VP copy would vastly benefit a guild over having an exact copy of the VP build that was on live back when it was first released.

Some people tend to forget how much is different on p99 as opposed to live "back in the day"

[Ring]

Slathar isn't TMO.

You can keep wishing he were tho.

Slathar is Latnem, a DA monk who isn't in TMO because he rarely plays anymore. Don't act like he's an unbiased third party (like me).

[Chanur]

This is where i'd normally say, "Quit being stupid."

However, I know it's not possible for you.

Considering you didn't even play when the original VP was relevant I would suggest you shut the fuck up you clueless fuck wit.

[Autotune]

Considering you didn't even play when the original VP was relevant I would suggest you shut the fuck up you clueless fuck wit.

Oh, I wasn't aware I didn't play then. Thanks for correcting my past experiences for me.

[Uthgaard]

So I don't pay much attention to server drama, but I was curious about the whole Uthgaard thing. This is my understanding of the situation.

Some person was supposedly testing in VP to get info ahead of time to give TR an advantage. Nevermind that this info is 10 years old and can be found in any one of a hundred places on the internet. This would really only affect 2 guilds currently, and most of us don't give a shit about their petty drama. So Uthgaard calls this person out, with or without real evidence, but in the wrong place. He makes it public instead of keeping it between the server owners. He gets called out on this bs, and rage quits because of perceived favoritism on an issue that the vast majority of the server doesn't care about. Do I have this pretty much correct?

The "wrong place" was in the staff forums. Not in public. But without a vbulletin license, the staff forums might as well be public.

[Amelinda]

Slathar is Latnem, a DA monk who isn't in TMO because he rarely plays anymore. Don't act like he's an unbiased third party (like me).

if this is true then it's suddenly so clear. I wondered where Latnem went.

[Autotune]

Slathar is Latnem, a DA monk who isn't in TMO because he rarely plays anymore. Don't act like he's an unbiased third party (like me).

never said he was unbiased.

Everyone that posts is biased to some degree, if you think otherwise you're retarded.

[purist]

Ring = Getsome, TR member and confirmed douche to the community

[Pescador]

you have yet to develop a single strat for yourselves.

http://www.isomedia.com/homes/jac/Images/hoop.jpg

[Orruar]

The "wrong place" was in the staff forums. Not in public. But without a vbulletin license, the staff forums might as well be public.

Ah, I see. So the place you put it was in view of all of the staff, instead of public. But they still would have preferred you had kept it private between yourself and the big guys, which makes sense. It would be like if I was having a problem with a coworker and brought it up in the middle of status meeting rather than talking directly to my supervisor about it. Doesn't seem to be the right place, though I know it's easy to try and use politics and the masses (other staff in this case) to achieve your goals when you're not sure you can do it the right way.

[Slathar]

I'm a cowboy. On a steel horse I ride. Xzerion knocked down da towerz.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

You have a great leg up and don't have to worry about reporting it until your competition becomes aware.


BINGO

And there is a difference between having information to VP because it is 11 years old or whatever and having access to the exact P99 version. They aren't necessarily the same, much works differently here then it did on live.