Depressing news

[MageBlue]

From EQemulator discord in announcements channel :


Akk — 9/26/2025 11:31 PM
Farewell

Hi @everyone,

I’ve been part of EQEmulator for nearly two decades. Most of you know me as Akkadius, but at the end of the day, I’m just someone who fell in love with EverQuest like the rest of you. I still remember when I was little almost 25 years ago, my dad handed me the original EverQuest box after he had been playing it and said, “Hey bud, take a look at this.” That moment pulled us into a world we’ll never forget.


Long before I ever found it, EQEmu was already here - created by passionate players determined to preserve and explore the game we loved. As I grew older and had less time to play, that same passion drew me into emulation: discovering how the game worked, diving into technology, and rapidly developing my skills. In time, I dedicated years of my life to building and supporting the EQEmu project. Along the way, I’ve learned and grown immensely, and I’ve had the privilege of watching so many others do the same.

EverQuest wasn’t just a game - it had a profound and lasting impact on all of our lives. It was friendships, marriages, careers, and entire communities. EQEmu has always been about preserving the experiences official support left behind - old expansions, mechanics, and ways of playing that no longer existed. We built worlds that carried on history, and created new worlds fans dreamed up. I’ve given tens of thousands of hours to this project, but I was never alone - it was all of us, an extended family of passionate fans. Every developer, server operator, tester, player, and dreamer deserves credit for keeping this alive.

The truth is, the environment has drastically changed. For decades, EverQuest’s creators knew about the emulator scene. We weren’t hidden - we were tolerated, even respected. Today, that spirit has been replaced with hostility and lawsuits across the broader emulator scene. Seeing passionate fans treated this way is heartbreaking. I can’t keep devoting myself to something that punishes the very people who kept its spirit alive. I wish the current IP holder the best, but I don’t believe this was the answer - and I don’t think anyone truly wins from it.

So I’m done. I’m stepping away from EQEmu, winding down my projects and the services I’ve hosted, and moving on. As I step back, most services I run will shut down within 72 hours, by Monday Midnight, Tuesday morning. I’ll try to ease the transition where I can, but many things will simply go offline. This truly feels like the end of an era, but every era leaves behind a legacy - and ours has been extraordinary. As the Court has not addressed the scope of the injunction, as recently requested by THJ, my time here has run its course.

This isn’t easy - it hurts more than I can put into words. My heart is shattered. Even before this case, my summer was already filled with personal tragedy and deep loss - the hardest season of my life. I was already struggling to find the energy to keep contributing. I’ve poured countless hours, effort, and stress into this project, and the toll has been immense. But after 18 years, my priority now has to be being a dad, being present for my family, and putting that same fire into new chapters of my life. So regardless of how the climate continues to progress, this is a choice I have made.

I know this may deeply affect some of you, and I don’t say that lightly. Our worlds and communities have been home for countless players and creators alike, and I’m truly sorry for the disruption this will cause. My hope is that the communities who built them can continue in their own way.

I am deeply grateful to the fans of this game, and to this community. We all know how special EverQuest has been - but what truly makes online worlds unforgettable is the people who share them. Thank you to everyone who built, played, created, and dreamed alongside me. EQEmu was never just a project - it was proof of what extreme passion and community can achieve. That legacy will always endure.


Much love,
Akkadius

[Rygar]

Said himself that EQemu has always been tolerated, when a server is making hundreds and thousands of their IP that isn't something that is tolerated.

[Ekco]

Sadly makes sense for him to step away considering the THJ lawsuit, sucks THJ being wildy popular resulted in servers like EZ being shut down as well now.

[kjs86z2]

yawn

[Duik]

THJ shit in the sandbox and are now wondering why.
Dumbarses the lot of them. Players included.

Sorry to those who see no problem with THJ shitting on everything. No wait. No, im not sorry.

Maybe DBG would have come down on the emu at some point, but this seems to be a major catalyst.

Glad i never tried the "Pidgeon who plays chess" version of the emu servers.

[sammoHung]

They were making $100k a month off of another company's IP.

If they were just "passionate fans" they wouldn't have opened up a way to generate $20k a week in donations. THJ did indeed shit in the sandbox.

[Ekco]

this is a different dude than the two dudes running THJ, he was hosting it though as he did with large swaths of eqemu things, with the suddenness and speed of the discord server getting nuked and some repos getting pulled down i assume this is due to fear of being dragged into the legal crosshairs of DBG
https://i.imgur.com/ymMOnJg.png

[zelld52]

Already, there are serious signs that the sanctity of the PI Order may be in
jeopardy. For example, despite the injunction being in effect, Defendants refuse to
stop soliciting money from third-parties directly related to THJ.
Moreover, since the PI Order has been in effect, multiple online commentators
have discussed a desire for the infringing THJ code to be moved to foreign
jurisdictions such as China and Russia.

[sammoHung]

Akkadius runs ProjectEQ - the real champion of reverse engineering EQ through the years. That team has done so much work rebuilding EQ as it was in era.

Project EQ has been around for 16 years, and because of these developments - Akkadius has pulled the plug on Project EQ.

Fuck you, THJ devs. I hope you get sued into poverty.

[Duik]

^
What he/they said

[shovelquest]

Cool!

Lay with wolves yada yada.

[Tann]

yiff yiff?

[Tann]

any bets on how many servers THJ will have brought down with them?

I know DBG is the big bad evil corp yea yea.. but none of this shit would be happening if the THJ goons hadn't done the rmt speed wagon.

[sammoHung]

any bets on how many servers THJ will have brought down with them?

I know DBG is the big bad evil corp yea yea.. but none of this shit would be happening if the THJ goons hadn't done the rmt speed wagon.

As of right now its the servers that Akkadius Hosted:

Project EQ (Started 2008)
EZ Server (Started 2010)
Project Lazarus (Started 2020
TAKP TLP
The Convergence
Chainbreaker (Daybreak assisted emu project)
Raid Addicts (Started 2002)

[zelld52]

in addition the loser THJ simp who moderates the /r/EverQuest subreddit closed the entire sub down

THJ fans are really going scorched earth on Eqemu. fuck em all

[shovelquest]

why the lawsuit happened (because THJ existed).

1 month before the lawsuit.

https://i.imgur.com/GnPADPA.png
https://i.imgur.com/V4t5ELH.png
https://i.imgur.com/kELcexL.png

https://i.imgur.com/CuMRVxR.png

[Tann]

https://i.imgur.com/kELcexL.png


The middle one's title is quite prophetic, though probably not for the the reasons the article lists.

[Reiwa]

1 of 20 Doe's, who are the others?

[onmove_broke]

All of these EMUs ran fine until THJ...THJ decided to monetize it. Making what....$30k a month? When you are making that much $$ someone is going to notice.

At the end of the day, EMUs of all games are a crap shoot. You are using IP to create our own server and taking away potential players from the IP holder. There is always that chance they bring the hammer down. But making that much $$ off of the EMU is a huge red flag.

[shovelquest]

All of these EMU’s ran fine until one of them humiliated live and sucked up most of their audience.

If you’re ever in a pug on live and you say you’re from project 1999 they rip on this project and everyone that hangs out here relentlessly in group chat.

At least you guys and the Luclin model 6 boxer krono farmers can all agree that THJ are the bad guys now.

[Tann]

The attention alone never would've made it through the courts, it would also be a PR disaster going after an emu just for being popular. The RMT made it easy for DBG, still some PR backlash but not even close had there been no rampart greed on THJ's part.

[shovelquest]

The attention alone is what filed the lawsuit.

The money didn't come out until discovery.

Hope this helps.

[Tann]

The exact amount of money didn't come out until discovery, but absolutely everyone not living under a rock knew they were pulling in shittons of money.

[shovelquest]

It says it in the fucking claim against THJ.

https://i.imgur.com/bOXOX0R.png

[sammoHung]

its because they advertised the server everywhere they could. discords, reddits, youtube, etc. the question is: why the fuck would you advertise that you are using someone's licensed IP without their permission?

[shovelquest]

Honestly I think it was the youtube communities fault as much as it was THJs fault the hammer came down.

They also flew too close to the sun ripping on Live with those insulting click bate video titles and higher than average view counts.

Fact is, you can't make waves when you're stealing someone's IP, and the hype, the money, and the abject failure of DBG as a gaming company is all to blame here.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Im tellin you guys somehow this is going to result with THJ owning everquest and them immediately filing a lawsuit against quarm.

[shovelquest]

It's gonna happen mark my words lol

[CrazyPro]

They have taken the server and the discord.
We have barred the subreddit gates, but cannot hold them for long...
On P99 there's a quake.
Lawsuits, lawsuits, in the deep.

[CrazyPro]

We cannot get out.
Jen Chan moves in the dark.
We cannot get out.
They are coming.

[shovelquest]

*echoing goblin noises and drums

[Reiwa]

Tears unnumbered ye shall shed; and the lawyers will fence Norrath against you, and shut you out, so that not even the echo of your lamentation shall pass over the mountains. On the House of Takahashi the wrath of the lawyers lieth from the West unto the uttermost East, and upon all that will follow them it shall be laid also. Their Oath shall drive them, and yet betray them, and ever snatch away the very treasures that they have sworn to pursue. To evil end shall all things turn that they begin well; and by treason of kin unto kin, and the fear of treason, shall this come to pass.

The Dispossessed shall they be for ever.

[Ekco]

it is what it is, fuck it, we ball.

[Jimjam]

They have taken the server and the discord.
We have barred the subreddit gates, but cannot hold them for long...
On P99 there's a quake.
Lawsuits, lawsuits, in the deep.

We cannot get out.
Jen Chan moves in the dark.
We cannot get out.
They are coming.

This deserves being on the new page!

[Bisonzabi]

https://massivelyop.com/2025/09/27/the-everquest-emu-community-scrambles-as-multiple-servers-lose-hosting-and-the-subreddit-goes-dark/#comments
Oh man the comment section is pure lunacy. Crying how people not being able to profit 100k a month off someone else's IP is due to late stage capitalism.
Only under a People's Democratic Republic can we truly find salvation for Everquest!
https://files.catbox.moe/ejgpgq.png

[Ekco]

A+ investigative reporting, kinda shocked it covers everything from the Reddit mod crashing out and Akk departing.

also yeah, unhinged as fuck comments trying to tie to this some broader economic situation

also, phinny article thumbnail. guess strike while the iron is hot and people paying attention to the drama
https://i.imgur.com/ixrix6w.png

[shovelquest]

Oh man the comment section is pure lunacy. Crying how people not being able to profit 100k a month off someone else's IP is due to late stage capitalism.
Only under a People's Democratic Republic can we truly find salvation for Everquest!


Thieving EMU community upset that 1 of them didn't steal the game correctly lol

[Bardp1999]

Im waiting for that new P99 server any day now... oh wait

[shovelquest]

We need law and order. All this has proven is we need to require government digital ID's to access the internet.

[sammoHung]

Thieving EMU community upset that 1 of them didn't steal the game correctly lol

It has been an unwritten rule on EQEmu for over a decade - don't fucking monetize. For the sake of the community as a whole, everybody (except a few rogue admins) abided by this.

But these fuckin pricks, Takahashi and Alexander decided to turn running an emulated server into a career. They were probably over the moons and so proud of themselves for turning a HUGE profit on an emu.

Despite warnings from other devs and admins: they pushed forward and ON TOP OF THAT tried to play coy, feign innocence and ignorance, and go toe-to-toe with a legal team that SPECIALIZES IN IP THEFT.

As a result, the entire EQEmu community, which has existed mostly peacefully and left alone for 15+ years has been shaken up. Servers that people have played on for 10+ years are shut down. The communities they gathered in are shut down.

We are insulated here on p99 - but the fallout from this shit is crazy. Imagine waking up tomorrow and Rogaen announces that at midnight, he's closing the Discord, Forums, eqemulator.org, and shutting down all P99 servers. On top of that, the reddit mobs at /r/Project1999 decide to permanently shut the sub down.

Now there would be droves of p99 players that called this community and have NO WHERE to go to continue that community connection, except for guild discords.

That is what happened yesterday, for Project EQ, EZ Server, and a half-dozen other EQEmu's that were playing by the unwritten rules of DO NOT TRY TO MAKE A PROFIT ON EQEMU.

[shovelquest]

Unwritten rules are unwritten because they’re not rules.

[sammoHung]

Also fuck all the THJ fanboys. I know none of them are here - but they haven't played EQ other than TLPs - they find out for the first time about EQEmulator because of THJ - they come in and spend hundreds of real-life dollars over 6 months on pay-to-win microtransactions, and then all the fuckwad moderators of their discord and subreddits go on damage control and delete negative commentary on the situation.

[sammoHung]

Goddamnit,

EDIT: They haven't played EQ since 2002 on anything but TLPs, and had no idea about EQEmu until THJ came along.

Then they fuckin ruin the whole thing. Fuck the lot of them.

[shovelquest]

Real Karen energy you’ve got there.

[zelld52]

Real Karen energy you’ve got there.

you dont know what that means do you?

[shovelquest]

It means that you'd both like to talk to the THJ management.

[Reiwa]

It has been an unwritten rule on EQEmu for over a decade - don't fucking monetize. For the sake of the community as a whole, everybody (except a few rogue admins) abided by this.

But these fuckin pricks, Takahashi and Alexander decided to turn running an emulated server into a career. They were probably over the moons and so proud of themselves for turning a HUGE profit on an emu.

Despite warnings from other devs and admins: they pushed forward and ON TOP OF THAT tried to play coy, feign innocence and ignorance, and go toe-to-toe with a legal team that SPECIALIZES IN IP THEFT.

As a result, the entire EQEmu community, which has existed mostly peacefully and left alone for 15+ years has been shaken up. Servers that people have played on for 10+ years are shut down. The communities they gathered in are shut down.

We are insulated here on p99 - but the fallout from this shit is crazy. Imagine waking up tomorrow and Rogaen announces that at midnight, he's closing the Discord, Forums, eqemulator.org, and shutting down all P99 servers. On top of that, the reddit mobs at /r/Project1999 decide to permanently shut the sub down.

Now there would be droves of p99 players that called this community and have NO WHERE to go to continue that community connection, except for guild discords.

That is what happened yesterday, for Project EQ, EZ Server, and a half-dozen other EQEmu's that were playing by the unwritten rules of DO NOT TRY TO MAKE A PROFIT ON EQEMU.

Mostly peaceful IP theft. It's not like they became so emboldened in a vacuum.

[shovelquest]

First they came for THJ, and I not only kept quiet, I supported them-ACK!

[torriadore]

Told you guys in the THJ thread that EQemu itself was going to be the eventual target of the now awakened sleeping giant. Akkadius just sees the writing on the wall.

[shovelquest]

One thing's for sure we're all going to want to box on live when this all is settled.

[WarpathEQ]

Pretty massive leap from running a community based, nostalgia based emulator that has been discussed and run in accordance with the demands of the IP holder and creating a rogue project with no blessing that completely changes how people interact with the IP and monetizes it in the process. With none of those proceeds benefiting the proper party (the IP owner).

Its always been extremely clear that monetization of any project using Everquest IP was a hard no for the IP owner. Its why the P99 staff has always been 0 tolerance, no questions asked, you're gone forever if you're found to do anything involving RMT. Anything short of that and the IP owner has been quite reasonable with supporting and sanctioning a community around classic and nostalgia based projects.

Take that a step further into litigation. Its extremely easy to litigate damage against your IP when a competitor is found to be using, altering, and profiting off your IP. Case and point the judge shut down THJ with a preliminary injunction prior to the trial even playing out in court. Its easy to pull up bank records and show user counts and monetary gains and compare them against the IP holder's internal monetary performance being negatively impacted during the same timeframe. 100% of profits derived from Everquest IP are due in full to the IP owner, that is the whole point of IP existing.

It would, however, be much harder for the IP holder to make a claim of damages against a completely free, non monetized, historical representation of their IP that has 0 basis for impacting the economics (profitability) of their IP. Even if there wasn't an express written agreement between daybreak and the party (i.e. P99 or more recently Quarm). Knowing this the IP holder did the smart thing and decided to foster the community with the knowledge that it would likely only benefit the value of their IP by maintaining awareness. At the same time they ensured they had a hand at the table to work with these projects to avoid deal breakers like monetization and avoid the need for going after a project in court.

[shovelquest]

Nostalrius had a strict no monetization policy and they were shut down same way.

Hope this helps.

[Reiwa]

Pretty massive leap from running a community based, nostalgia based emulator that has been discussed and run in accordance with the demands of the IP holder and creating a rogue project with no blessing that completely changes how people interact with the IP and monetizes it in the process. With none of those proceeds benefiting the proper party (the IP owner).

Its always been extremely clear that monetization of any project using Everquest IP was a hard no for the IP owner. Its why the P99 staff has always been 0 tolerance, no questions asked, you're gone forever if you're found to do anything involving RMT. Anything short of that and the IP owner has been quite reasonable with supporting and sanctioning a community around classic and nostalgia based projects.

Take that a step further into litigation. Its extremely easy to litigate damage against your IP when a competitor is found to be using, altering, and profiting off your IP. Case and point the judge shut down THJ with a preliminary injunction prior to the trial even playing out in court. Its easy to pull up bank records and show user counts and monetary gains and compare them against the IP holder's internal monetary performance being negatively impacted during the same timeframe. 100% of profits derived from Everquest IP are due in full to the IP owner, that is the whole point of IP existing.

It would, however, be much harder for the IP holder to make a claim of damages against a completely free, non monetized, historical representation of their IP that has 0 basis for impacting the economics (profitability) of their IP. Even if there wasn't an express written agreement between daybreak and the party (i.e. P99 or more recently Quarm). Knowing this the IP holder did the smart thing and decided to foster the community with the knowledge that it would likely only benefit the value of their IP by maintaining awareness. At the same time they ensured they had a hand at the table to work with these projects to avoid deal breakers like monetization and avoid the need for going after a project in court.

No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.

[sammoHung]

It would, however, be much harder for the IP holder to make a claim of damages against a completely free, non monetized, historical representation of their IP that has 0 basis for impacting the economics (profitability) of their IP.

This type of sentiment will get you called a Daybreak Shill on any forum or discord related to THJ. It's bad out there. None of those asswads give a shit about the decades long history of EQEmu, they just wanted P2W EQ with QoL changes.

[loramin]

Nostalrius had a strict no monetization policy and they were shut down same way.

Hope this helps.

I feel like you're not telling the whole story. They were shutdown (via a "cease and desist") in 2016, but ...

After a month or so of large scale protests, Blizzard invited the Nostalrius team to the Blizzard HQ to present the case for Vanilla. An eighty-page "post-mortem" document describing the development of Nostalrius, the problems that happened and some marketing strategies was presented to Blizzard, and after some time, released on the Nostalrius forums.

In the following six months, Blizzard did not respond at all to any communication from the Nostalrius team.[5] Allen Brack and the World of Warcraft development team announced they would not be making any statements about Vanilla at the 2016 BlizzCon convention.[6] Consequently, the Nostalrius team released their source code to Valkyrie-WoW, another long-standing private Vanilla WoW server, hosted in Russia, and the Nostalrius servers returned on December 17, 2016, under the name of Elysium Project, with the player database as it had been just before the shutdown in April.[7][8]

In October 2017, the Elysium servers were taken offline when it had been revealed that some staff had been involved in gold selling and character manipulation, which went against the 'Blizzlike' philosophy the team purportedly stood for.[9] The servers returned one month later, with the project rebranded as Elysium Project "Nighthaven".[10]

So, in a completely different scenario with a different company (a company that would later directly compete with "classic" servers ... unlike Daybreak, which has expressed no interest in running a P99-like classic EQ server), a fan server did get shut down. But Blizzard took so much flack that they invited the people behind it in, and that same year the project was back up again.

It then got taken down again, this time for RMT ... but was back up a month later ... and it's still live today (https://elysium-project.org/news/147-Nighthaven+PvP++%E2%80%94+New+fast-paced+progression+realm) (under it's new name).

[Duik]

Unwritten rules are unwritten because they’re not rules.

You're a fucking Idiot and part of the problem.

[shovelquest]

Elysium only drives my point even further.

Blizzard targeted Nostalrius for its massive visibility (~800,000 accounts) even though it had strict non-RMT policy and no donation system.

However:

Elysium’s smaller, community drew less attention even though it inherited Nost's assets and added a FOR PROFFIT donation system.

Blizzard never shut Elysium down.

Elysium self imploded in 2017

After it was revealed that admins Shenna and Crogge embezzled ~€2,000/month from donations and collaborated with gold sellers for personal gain, tainting its non-profit stance. This led to its collapse, not Blizzard action.

[Bisonzabi]

I think the biggest impact in all of this is that because it spooked the shit out of so many other server owners, you're going to see less incentive for custom made content. Quarm mused around the idea of making a fork of a new miniature expansion and an undead froglok race ect, but due to the contract agreement that the owner made with DBG, that won't ever happen.
(https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.819107/gov.uscourts.casd.819107.53.5.pdf

[loramin]

Elysium self imploded in 2017

I'm confused: that link I found looks pretty live, and their Discord (https://discord.com/invite/w6bfD7E) has 19,128 members (1,590) live, with people actively talking about the game even today. It doesn't look very "imploded" to me, and again Wikipedia reported that they were back up about a month after the event you mentioned (just rebranded as "Elysium Project 'Nighthaven'").

[loramin]

I think the biggest impact in all of this is that because it spooked the shit out of so many other server owners, you're going to see less incentive for custom made content. Quarm mused around the idea of making a fork of a new miniature expansion and an undead froglok race ect, but due to the contract agreement that the owner made with DBG, that won't ever happen.
(https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.819107/gov.uscourts.casd.819107.53.5.pdf

Agreed: the staff here talked about adding custom content many years ago, and I always hoped it would happen after Green 2.0. With everything that's happened, I have a hard time seeing DBG let them even add a new tradeskill recipe, let alone a new (or rather, revamped) zone.

[red_demonman]

Wonder if all this bullshit effects the chances for a new P99 server. Probably.

[shovelquest]

I'm confused: that link I found looks pretty live, and their Discord (https://discord.com/invite/w6bfD7E) has 19,128 members (1,590) live, with people actively talking about the game even today. It doesn't look very "imploded" to me, and again Wikipedia reported that they were back up about a month after the event you mentioned (just rebranded as "Elysium Project 'Nighthaven'").

https://i.imgur.com/ik6WPBI.png

[Infectious]

Everyone here would've done the same shit THJ did. Akka writing dear John letters when he was hosting the server is laughable. Don't even get me into the garbage servers this guy put together(In 18 years BTW lol).

[Xathos53]

The THJ crowd will continue to deny that its monetization is what caused the lawsuit. They will then continue to claim that THJ is just an emu like any other emu while ignoring the actual case which shows otherwise. As we've already seen, they've attempted to blame DBG for shutting down other servers when in truth DBG did not do so.

So, here we are with THJ folks lying their asses off. Nothing new under the sun. They brought this on themselves, so fuck them.

[loramin]

https://i.imgur.com/ik6WPBI.png

Odd, when I do that same exact query, I don't get an AI explanation ... but I do see https://elysium-project.org/news/165-Important+Update+Announcement as the very first link. And it's not just Google who thinks it's still active: if you click the Discord link on that site, it has almost 20k people ... are they really all there for a sever that's been dead for seven years?

If I keep going in the search results, the next one is a Reddit from the time you mentioned (seven years ago) called "Project Elysium is no more: Admin stole server funds ...". Proves your point, right?

Except, I also see a far more recent Reddit (three years ago) asking "Any *Fresh* Vanilla WoW servers? elysium seems to be kinda old". Why are people looking for a fresh take on the "old" Elysium ... in 2022 ... when it imploded in 2017?

[shovelquest]

Loramin. At this point I have no fucking clue what you're trying to figure out.

MY point is that NOST was highly against monetization and it was shut down.

You brought up Elysium.

Elysium was Nost's successor, used Nost's assets, was highly monetized, had theft within its own management, and it never got shut down.

[shovelquest]

while ignoring the actual case which shows otherwise..

https://i.imgur.com/bOXOX0R.png

[Bisonzabi]

Everyone here would've done the same shit THJ did. Akka writing dear John letters when he was hosting the server is laughable. Don't even get me into the garbage servers this guy put together(In 18 years BTW lol).

Except they wouldn't. This is common sense not to profit off other IP's unless you're specifically donating for keeping the server up. Even in the mod making community for other games whether its OG Doom, Half-Life or Skyrim ect, there's a common held tradition to always credit or obtain consent to utilize another modders assets whether its code or art if you plan to publish it on major sites, even if there is no financial incentive. And if by chance there is financial incentive like forming a team to build a game on an open sourced engine, you best make sure as shit that none of your co-developers are adding a sliver of code or any other form of asset that are copyrighted material (see: stolen) from another game, unless said assets are as well public domain (EQ1 is filled to the brim with public domain sound effects for example)

[shovelquest]

What if me running the servers requires a salary I give myself of 100$ an hour and I work 24 hours a day on this monitoring.

[loramin]

Loramin. At this point I have no fucking clue what you're trying to figure out.

MY point is that NOST was highly against monetization and it was shut down.

You brought up Elysium.

Elysium was Nost's successor, used Nost's assets, was highly monetized, had theft within its own management, and it never got shut down.

Ok, now we've found our "tomato, tomato" problem:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9fdq1SibSDbTj5RZsrJ_Avr2aGhk_-6VAzg&s

You originally said it was shut down, and it was ... but it was restarted a month after that "implosion", just under a new name. You call that a server that was "shut down" or "imploded", while I call it a server that temporarily went down, but then came back up and continued running for many years after.

Tomato, tomato.

[shovelquest]

Ok, now we've found our "tomato, tomato" problem:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9fdq1SibSDbTj5RZsrJ_Avr2aGhk_-6VAzg&s

You originally said it was shut down, and it was ... but it was restarted a month after that "implosion", just under a new name. You call that a server that was "shut down" or "imploded", while I call it a server that temporarily went down, but then came back up and continued running for many years after.

Tomato, tomato.

Elysium was shut down by its own staff. You miss understood that as me suggesting it was officially shut down. That was never the case.

Let me be clear:It was not "shut down" as a result of blizzard.

It did however implode and the management had to reorganize because the one collecting donations was literally embezzling money out of the donations into their pocket.

My argument, is and remains: Nost was shut down and it had ZERO monitization and the same policy on RMT that P99 has.

Elysium was never shut down by blizzard, even though it had so much corruption and monetization it IMPLODED.

There is no tomato tomato, I was talking about NOST.. You brought up Elysium,. and I said, even More so to my point:

Elysium was a corrupt donation and RMT server, and never got "shut down" by blizzard.

Because it was small enough to not affect the wow market. However Nost's incredible popularity, did.

Just like THJ.

[shovelquest]

https://www.pcgamer.com/vanilla-world-of-warcraft-project-elysium-has-been-dissolved/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.pcgamer.com/vanilla-world-of-warcraft-project-elysium-has-been-dissolved/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://i.imgur.com/mnM3m78.png

“The Elysium Project as it exists today is no longer a viable project due to the systemic problem of lack of oversight on those with the most access to the servers. Due to failures to uphold the projects ideals and integrity, the Elysium Project is being dissolved and relaunched out of the control of those who have abused the trust of the staff, community, and legacy movement as a whole.”

The statement goes on to explain that a former team member took €2,000 out of a PayPal account used to fund the servers for personal reasons. The same individual, along with another member of the team, also ran a gold-selling business out of the project.

“So what does this mean for the Elysium Project,” the statement continues. “Given what has transpired, we absolutely do not condone any form of retaliation against anyone and will actively work to eliminate any attempts on our platforms to organize anything resembling such. At this time, several key members of the Project Leadership are stepping down and walking away. We expect most of the staff will follow suit given the information revealed here. What is done has been done—we are moving on and request that you do the same.”

This is the definition of a fucking implosion.

[Duik]

@shovel
Do you still think THJ is going to "own" DBGs EverQuest?

Sorry Lolocaust, i could barely type that without guffawing.

[shovelquest]

Do you think spiderman is real?

Anyway, yeah they are gonna win and own EQ you can take that to the bank.

[Reiwa]

"Any sufficiently advanced social behavior is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke.

-Michael Scott

[Ekco]

Do you think spiderman is real?


candy striped legged ones that move softly through the shadow of the evening sun, i do.

[MageBlue]

I just used chatgpt with this prompt:

Can I hide all posts by jerks on vBulletin forum

>>

and it spat out how to do it

I added 5 jerks to my 'Ignore List'

People that I feel are mean-spirited, cynical and never made a damn thing in their whole lives

>>>

Please add me to your 'Ignore List' too ;)

[WarpathEQ]

IMO if you want a completely customized game that involves monetization why not just create your own game? There isn't really much value to everquest IP aside from the nostalgia factor of projects like P99. And I can't imagine with all the creative tools available now adays that people creating projects like THJ are spending less time breaking everything that already exists down, reverse engineering it, and creating something new and custom is more time efficient than just building something from scratch.

Sure zone names, named mobs, and loot specifics are unique but the vast majority of the world, gameplay mechanics, ect. aren't really special or unique to Everquest and quite frankly pre-date EQ (probably 90% of mob types, image, etc can be found in D&D books amongst other games ect. that existed well before EQ).

Really the main point of differentiation between EQ and other games is the scarcity and length of time invested it takes to accomplish certain tasks or gear, an aspect that projects like THJ effectively eliminated anyway. It's not like the EQ community is some large pool of people to grift off of. You could cast a wayyyy wider net from something new that markets itself as a game for people that loved EQ, WoW, D&D, and all those types of genres/games.

Larger player base, more money to be made, no IP theft seems like a lot better way to spend your time developing a game for profit.

[kjs86z2]

nothing about anything in this thread is depressing except for you nerds crying about vidya games

[Ekco]

The already well-established brand recognition and captivated customer base made their plan a sound one. If DBG had ignored them, it would have been fucking genius from a work/reward perspective

The risk of creating something from the ground up, even if it's good, is that people just might ignore it because Steam or their favorite social media personality doesn't put it in front of them. As a result, you don't get that critical mass to make something financially successful as we've seen with every other MMO that isn't WoW basically and that's legit studios with publisher and PR firms and all kinds of backing throwing millions of dollars around.

they 100% made more grifting the small EQ community in this endavour than if they set out to make something as a 2 man team and threw it up on Steam

[Tann]

Anyway, yeah they are gonna win and own EQ you can take that to the bank.

they've already lost, servers are gone.

The devs, if they haven't already, need to take those pillow cashes full of cash fly off to to some tropical island with no extradition laws with the US.

[Ekco]

+1 to converting the cash to buttcoins and fleeing, i doubt interpol is aware of these IP theft masterminds yet

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

THJ shit in the sandbox and are now wondering why.
Dumbarses the lot of them. Players included.

Sorry to those who see no problem with THJ shitting on everything. No wait. No, im not sorry.

Maybe DBG would have come down on the emu at some point, but this seems to be a major catalyst.

Glad i never tried the "Pidgeon who plays chess" version of the emu servers.

Facts.

https://i.imgur.com/YdtHQoK.jpeg

[shovelquest]

they 100% made more grifting the small EQ community in this endavour than if they set out to make something as a 2 man team and threw it up on Steam

You guys are so fuckn lame dude.

THey updated the game more than I ever saw p99 get updates, every week amazing updates.

They were about to drop GOD and Dungeon finder, which was going to be another incredible experience.

Nobody was "grifted" except losers that didn't even donate to the server.

[shovelquest]

Once a week during the entire life of the server they did live Q&As with the community, and implemented updates regularly from them.

I fuckn hate you people, I hope the EMU community is completely shut down.

[Ekco]

p99, sure it's not suppose to get updates anymore, Shards of Dalaya was a completely different game also though with unironically like 100x more work put into it over the decade+ it was popular, and other servers like EZ

none of them took a giant shit on the floor or had a community compromised of complete fucking brainrot idiots shouting with a megaphone all over the internet gaining the attention of the eye of sarun, though.

the lame is coming from inside the house.

[shovelquest]

they 100% made more grifting the small EQ community in this endavour than if they set out to make something as a 2 man team and threw it up on Steam

This is such a fucking stupid statement.

Yeah, the best way to scam gamers for money is Everquest.

"look at how P99 isn't allowed to collect donations, lets work really really really hard... harder than you ever worked on anything you ever worked on in your life, EKCO... to grift people with it"

Thats where all the huge audiences are.

[shovelquest]

p99, sure it's not suppose to get updates anymore, Shards of Dalaya was a completely different game also though with unironically like 100x more work put into it over the decade+ it was popular, and other servers like EZ

none of them took a giant shit on the floor or had a community compromised of complete fucking brainrot idiots shouting with a megaphone all over the internet gaining the attention of the eye of sarun, though.

the lame is coming from inside the house.

Shut the fuck up loramin, Im not talking about yesterday. Im talking about since both you and I started playing here.

[sammoHung]

.

I fuckn hate you people

u mad bro?

[shovelquest]

Yeah, dude, you guys are being fucking super lame.

[sammoHung]

Yeah, dude, you guys are being fucking super lame.

https://i.imgflip.com/2i8l2n.jpg

[sammoHung]

you seem to be missing the point that they were making income from this.

No other dev in the long history of EQEmu has made a livable wage off of emulating EverQuest. It's been people doing it mostly as a passion project.

Keep all the aspects of THJ as-is, but take away the Marketplace and allowing people to buy in-game items with real-life cash - and I support it. I wouldn't play, but I still support the idea.

What you seem to not understand is that they crossed that line, which was well-established by every other dev that's been a part of EQEmu's history of DO NOT SELL ITEMS FOR REAL LIFE CASH

[Ekco]

"look at how P99 isn't allowed to collect donations, lets work really really really hard... harder than you ever worked on anything you ever worked on in your life, EKCO... to grift people with it"

Thats where all the huge audiences are.

not huge, but good age demo to target especially weaponizing nostalgia and the quick high of zoom zooming through all the content lol.

the tri class system is new and super cool don't get me wrong, but the rest literally isn't that impressive, there's no lack of passion projects over the years with autists tinkering with the databases, SoD alone had like thousands of custom hand written quests, thens of thousands of NPCs and Items over a decade that all kicked the shit out of EQ Lore

shit i saw in the like week i played THJ could be done in a weekend with a case redbull. like lol, lmao even.

[shovelquest]

I don’t care that the server is shut down and I played on it.

You didn’t play on it and you’re crying like a little bitch about it.

I agree that they shouldn’t have taken money, but I don’t agree on the way that you’re fucking saying that this is their fault. Fuck them. They’re scammers and grifter that’s bullshit and fuck you for saying it.

[Ekco]

IT IS THEIR FUCKING FAULT!

[sammoHung]

I agree that they shouldn’t have taken money, but I don’t agree on the way that you’re fucking saying that this is their fault.

So, you agree they shouldn't have taken the money - but don't agree that it's their fault that 15+ years of EQEmu history was effectively vanished because of a court ordered injunction that was brought on because... they made money off of another company's IP...

[shovelquest]

If we wanna talk about wishes and unicorns and what “should be and what shouldn’t have been done.”

Then what should’ve fucking happened: Is that daybreak games should’ve absorbed THJ and made the best goddamn EverQuest server on live that they’ve seen since 1999.

[shovelquest]

IT IS THEIR FUCKING FAULT!

There’s a fucking donate button on www.project1999.com

If this server has the same number of users is THJ they’d be fucking making that kind of money too!

[shovelquest]

If day break games gave a shit about the donation system, they would have said:

Stop the donations, keep the server going.

But they didn't they said stop the whole server beaaaaauuuuuuse:

https://i.imgur.com/bOXOX0R.png

[sammoHung]

There’s a fucking donate button on www.project1999.com

If this server has the same number of users is THJ they’d be fucking making that kind of money too!

No - because you don't get any in-game items for donating to p99.

That's the whole point of contention of the members of the EQEmu and P99. It's one thing to solicit donations - ie: have people give money and they get nothing in return.

It's another thing to reward them with in-game items. Now you're profiting off of people wanting a pay-to-win structure.

[onmove_broke]

It has been an unwritten rule on EQEmu for over a decade - don't fucking monetize. For the sake of the community as a whole, everybody (except a few rogue admins) abided by this.

But these fuckin pricks, Takahashi and Alexander decided to turn running an emulated server into a career. They were probably over the moons and so proud of themselves for turning a HUGE profit on an emu.

Despite warnings from other devs and admins: they pushed forward and ON TOP OF THAT tried to play coy, feign innocence and ignorance, and go toe-to-toe with a legal team that SPECIALIZES IN IP THEFT.

As a result, the entire EQEmu community, which has existed mostly peacefully and left alone for 15+ years has been shaken up. Servers that people have played on for 10+ years are shut down. The communities they gathered in are shut down.

We are insulated here on p99 - but the fallout from this shit is crazy. Imagine waking up tomorrow and Rogaen announces that at midnight, he's closing the Discord, Forums, eqemulator.org, and shutting down all P99 servers. On top of that, the reddit mobs at /r/Project1999 decide to permanently shut the sub down.

Now there would be droves of p99 players that called this community and have NO WHERE to go to continue that community connection, except for guild discords.

That is what happened yesterday, for Project EQ, EZ Server, and a half-dozen other EQEmu's that were playing by the unwritten rules of DO NOT TRY TO MAKE A PROFIT ON EQEMU.

Insulated but not fully protected. If I am DBG, once the dust settles, I am looking into every other EMU out there. I would not be surprised if this guy who shut down all these servers was getting some $$ under the table.

So while P1999 might be semi-safe, that agreement can go away anytime DBG wants it to. I 100% suspect this is why there are no new servers. If P1999 came out with a new server, it would immediately pull 2k people to it if not more. While it does not hurt DBG like THJ did, it would make them rethink their stance.

[shovelquest]

The only thing that would protect P99 is if the EMU community stood together, instead of ripping itself apart.

[kjs86z2]

It has been an unwritten rule on EQEmu for over a decade - don't fucking monetize. For the sake of the community as a whole, everybody (except a few rogue admins) abided by this.

But these fuckin pricks, Takahashi and Alexander decided to turn running an emulated server into a career. They were probably over the moons and so proud of themselves for turning a HUGE profit on an emu.

Despite warnings from other devs and admins: they pushed forward and ON TOP OF THAT tried to play coy, feign innocence and ignorance, and go toe-to-toe with a legal team that SPECIALIZES IN IP THEFT.

As a result, the entire EQEmu community, which has existed mostly peacefully and left alone for 15+ years has been shaken up. Servers that people have played on for 10+ years are shut down. The communities they gathered in are shut down.

We are insulated here on p99 - but the fallout from this shit is crazy. Imagine waking up tomorrow and Rogaen announces that at midnight, he's closing the Discord, Forums, eqemulator.org, and shutting down all P99 servers. On top of that, the reddit mobs at /r/Project1999 decide to permanently shut the sub down.

Now there would be droves of p99 players that called this community and have NO WHERE to go to continue that community connection, except for guild discords.

That is what happened yesterday, for Project EQ, EZ Server, and a half-dozen other EQEmu's that were playing by the unwritten rules of DO NOT TRY TO MAKE A PROFIT ON EQEMU.

Good

[Reiwa]

p99, sure it's not suppose to get updates anymore, Shards of Dalaya was a completely different game also though with unironically like 100x more work put into it over the decade+ it was popular, and other servers like EZ

none of them took a giant shit on the floor or had a community compromised of complete fucking brainrot idiots shouting with a megaphone all over the internet gaining the attention of the eye of sarun, though.

the lame is coming from inside the house.

Dalaya dealt with a C&D by changing their name and ignoring it.

https://media.pinatafarm.com/protected/B183D0EF-49B8-47BF-A523-E72FD0CFFAAC/Spangles.0.meme-pfarm-thumbnail.png

[sammoHung]

Good

You are so edgy and cool. I mean it - like Tony Soprano levels of badass.

[sammoHung]

Just found out that THJ multiclass system in so much as how it was coded was not even created by Takahashi the grifter.

Secrets and another EMU dev worked on it for Classless and Chainbreaker servers - and then Takahashi took it and used it as a base for THJ.

G R I F T E R S

[shovelquest]

You don't know your ass from the hole in the ground let alone what any of what you just said means.

[cd288]

It has been an unwritten rule on EQEmu for over a decade - don't fucking monetize. For the sake of the community as a whole, everybody (except a few rogue admins) abided by this.

But these fuckin pricks, Takahashi and Alexander decided to turn running an emulated server into a career. They were probably over the moons and so proud of themselves for turning a HUGE profit on an emu.

Despite warnings from other devs and admins: they pushed forward and ON TOP OF THAT tried to play coy, feign innocence and ignorance, and go toe-to-toe with a legal team that SPECIALIZES IN IP THEFT.

As a result, the entire EQEmu community, which has existed mostly peacefully and left alone for 15+ years has been shaken up. Servers that people have played on for 10+ years are shut down. The communities they gathered in are shut down.

We are insulated here on p99 - but the fallout from this shit is crazy. Imagine waking up tomorrow and Rogaen announces that at midnight, he's closing the Discord, Forums, eqemulator.org, and shutting down all P99 servers. On top of that, the reddit mobs at /r/Project1999 decide to permanently shut the sub down.

Now there would be droves of p99 players that called this community and have NO WHERE to go to continue that community connection, except for guild discords.

That is what happened yesterday, for Project EQ, EZ Server, and a half-dozen other EQEmu's that were playing by the unwritten rules of DO NOT TRY TO MAKE A PROFIT ON EQEMU.

Yup. I have no sympathy for any of these people. Nor do I find this "depressing news" like OP calls it. They deserve what's happening.

[cd288]

Nostalrius had a strict no monetization policy and they were shut down same way.

Hope this helps.

Nothing in this situation is relevant to P99. They have a legal agreement and DBG would be estopped from pulling the rug.

[shovelquest]

Nothing in this situation is relevant to P99. They have a legal agreement and DBG would be estopped from pulling the rug.

But that says Nost not P99?

I wouldn't disagree with anything you just said.

[atomicpaul]

Just found out that THJ multiclass system in so much as how it was coded was not even created by Takahashi the grifter.

Secrets and another EMU dev worked on it for Classless and Chainbreaker servers - and then Takahashi took it and used it as a base for THJ.

G R I F T E R Sit's grift all the way down

[cd288]

No - because you don't get any in-game items for donating to p99.

That's the whole point of contention of the members of the EQEmu and P99. It's one thing to solicit donations - ie: have people give money and they get nothing in return.

It's another thing to reward them with in-game items. Now you're profiting off of people wanting a pay-to-win structure.

P99 also explicitly agreed with Daybreak that the donations from players would only be accepted to the extent needed to cover the costs of operating the server

[shovelquest]

P99 also explicitly agreed with Daybreak that the donations from players would only be accepted to the extent needed to cover the costs of operating the server

So you're saying they regularly report their earnings and costs to Daybreak?

Or are you kind of just saying what you think is true as if it's a fact?

[shovelquest]

it's grift all the way down

You two are truly classless, that's for sure.

[shovelquest]

Wait am I witnessing mob mentality?

That statement by samm is pure hearsay, with no evidence, and it doesn't even make sense to me.

But like atomic, you're like Yeah!!! GET EM!

Like, why are you guys trying to set these two bodies on fire? Can we just all relax and take a step back and remember we're all fucking french here?

[atomicpaul]

i just like stuff that pisses off gamers, as a general rule. the only masculine game is chess.

[shovelquest]

I was thinking perhaps you liked the Cultural Revolution vibe of the discussion :D

[loramin]

Wait am I witnessing mob mentality?

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyZW5uMW4wNzUzeGJpZHFpbDN6cjVwOGx kY3g2Y2Y2Y3RiNWJjcWhvayZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjd D1n/V9gjxvLnSSdA4/giphy.gif

[Reiwa]

i just like stuff that pisses off gamers, as a general rule. the only masculine game is chess.

Tremendous phenomenon for shareholder value.

[shovelquest]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyZW5uMW4wNzUzeGJpZHFpbDN6cjVwOGx kY3g2Y2Y2Y3RiNWJjcWhvayZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjd D1n/V9gjxvLnSSdA4/giphy.gif

bro these people are like 50 years old

[Cecily]

You two are truly classless, that's for sure.

Real pain in the neck dealing with these people huh?

[shovelquest]

Yea but it's mostly just disappointing.

[onmove_broke]

Nothing in this situation is relevant to P99. They have a legal agreement and DBG would be estopped from pulling the rug.

DBG can rug pull anytime they want. Just because they have a legal agreement, it just allows P1999 to exist up to Velious. DBG can say "After XX months you need to shut down" and that is that.

[CrazyPro]

DBG can rug pull anytime they want. Just because they have a legal agreement, it just allows P1999 to exist up to Velious. DBG can say "After XX months you need to shut down" and that is that.

The p99 agreement allows p99 to go up to Depths of Darkhollow

[shovelquest]

But does it allow them to do that on a new server? 🤔

[CrazyPro]

But does it allow them to do that on a new server? 🤔

yes

[shovelquest]

Z0YIJQ1jgEI

[Zarachiel]

Triple class wasn't even remotely new. Secrets and Alia had a couple variations of that on classless/chainbreaker. They didn't set up a cash shop though.

[shovelquest]

Nobody said it was new, but the server was ballanced fucking amazinglly for it.

And the class system they used was also part of the appeal.

If you didn't play it, you literally are missing out on such a differfent experience than you think it was.

It was by no means "eq

[shovelquest]

gdi

eq with 3 classes.

It was its own weird min maxing to do reccords amount of damage or wierd magic the gathering like combo's of AA's

The classes were like hardlly a part of it.

I never cast 1 spell with my SK not once!

It was all about the Heal and Damage bonuses, the white text vs blue text damages and AA combos.

It's not just 3 classes EQ.

It was an entierly different experience.. that also felt like EQ

fuck all you fuckn bitches.

[shovelquest]

You would and will just never understand. And I fuckn feel bad for you but also fuck you i dont give a shit about you either but fuck yo asses sullying these great game creators

[Reiwa]

Triple class wasn't even remotely new. Secrets and Alia had a couple variations of that on classless/chainbreaker. They didn't set up a cash shop though.

Hey, newsflash pal. sammoHung discovered something that was public knowledge the entire time just earlier today.

[Duik]

Shovel, luckily you can use your hard won skillz playing THJ (The Homos Jizz) on DBGs TLPs that own the EverQuest IP.
That the THJ devs stole to make bank with.
They had one job...

No matter how good it was. I am agreeing here.
No matter how much we hate on DBG for spoiling our fun. And they did.

As long as you remember it was the THJ devs that fucked up.
That's on them.

I look forward to you stroking out on the format of this.

[sammoHung]

You would and will just never understand. And I fuckn feel bad for you but also fuck you i dont give a shit about you either but fuck yo asses sullying these great game creators

Don't get so mad bro it's just a conversation. Seriously. Sorry you're feeling mobbed, that's not my intention - I am just uncovering bits of this story for myself through chats with people who have been working on EQEmu since the early 2000s.

I'm mad at Takahashi, specifically, because he was the mastermind behind turning a profit off of an EQEmu server. And to me, its even worse because he has people thinking he created the concept of multiclassing in EQ - despite it being around on other emulated servers for over a year before he launched THJ.

He's not some savant EverQuest designer who deserves a job in the industry creating games. He's a grifter, who saw an opportunity to profit off of his server, because it was well-received. And he damned almost the entire EQEmu community in doing so.

[WarpathEQ]

Only thing that could make this grifter story better is if he was squatting in someone else's house the entire time.

Grifters gonna grift.

[shovelquest]

Shovel, luckily you can use your hard won skillz playing THJ (The Homos Jizz) on DBGs TLPs that own the EverQuest IP.
That the THJ devs stole to make bank with.
They had one job...

No matter how good it was. I am agreeing here.
No matter how much we hate on DBG for spoiling our fun. And they did.

As long as you remember it was the THJ devs that fucked up.
That's on them.

I look forward to you stroking out on the format of this.

I just dont agree anything is stolen but you victims always say someone stole and hurt you.

Bunch of wanna be victims and bitches in this thread.

[shovelquest]

2023 2023 2023 bunch of losers who just heard about emulation for the first time after covid.

Yall are like the people who started playing eq during luclin, but the p99 version.

[loramin]

I just dont agree anything is stolen but you victims always say someone stole and hurt you.

Bunch of wanna be victims and bitches in this thread.

You could cut the irony of this post with a knife. You've done nothing but play the victim (on THJ's behalf) and talk about what DBG stole from you this entire thread.

[shovelquest]

You could cut the irony of this post with a knife. You've done nothing but play the victim (on THJ's behalf) and talk about what DBG stole from you this entire thread.

Im not the victim. I think you guys shaming and making up lies about grifting and stealing about 2 innocent people is wrong.

Im not a victim. I just think you guys are BAD PEOPLE.

[briefs]

TL;DR - so we could see an influx of players back to Blue/Green?

[Zarachiel]

The honorable people that you are defending didn't cancel the server donations that were recurring (like they were supposed to). They renamed the Kofi to legal defense or some shit like that. Not sleezy at all.

[shovelquest]

This Kofi?

https://i.imgur.com/d4JcIGJ.png

[WarpathEQ]

I just dont agree anything is stolen but you victims always say someone stole and hurt you.

Bunch of wanna be victims and bitches in this thread.

Maybe an analogy would help you understand how stealing works, since I referenced squatters earlier lets go down that path.

You buy a house and are now on the hook for monthly mortgage payments for years into the future. The utility bills are in your name, and you bought all the groceries in the fridge.

One day some random dude off the street walks by and thinks to himself, that looks like a nice home, I'm going to live there. They then break into the home and start enjoying it as if its their own. Eating from the fridge that you stocked, using the electricity that you pay for, who knows maybe they even decide the way you used the house doesn't work for them and instead of using the toilet they decide its more convenient just to shit directly on the living room floor. Maybe they decide to use the toilet paper you paid for, maybe they decide to do you a solid and just wipe their ass on the couch you bought so you don't have to replenish any toilet paper. A new innovative way to live in your home! How exciting.

You're telling me that the appropriate way to handle this individual (aka squatter) is that you should not only continue to pay the mortgage, the utilities, stock the fridge, and clean up after them. But that you should also offer this person a portion of your monthly income as a thank you? And that you wouldn't contact law enforcement or take any action to attempt to remove this individual from your home?

[shovelquest]

a 25 year old video game mod that is no different than this very one you're on now except for popularity.

Is not a house.

[Reiwa]

a 25 year old video game mod that is no different than this very one you're on now except for popularity.

Is not a house.

If it was adverse possession would apply and is a lawful process.

[WarpathEQ]

a 25 year old video game mod that is no different than this very one you're on now except for popularity.

Is not a house.

Good to see that you can distinguish between a house and a video game, at least there is some form of intelligence in that head somewhere as tiny as it may be.

[WarpathEQ]

If it was adverse possession would apply and is a lawful process.

To the extent that the rightful owner doesn't take action for an extended period of time (statutory period, varies by state, typically greater than 5 years and less than 40).

[shovelquest]

Good to see that you can distinguish between a house and a video game, at least there is some form of intelligence in that head somewhere as tiny as it may be.

there is nothing different than what p99 was doing before it got a C/D letter.

The difference is that p99 figured out how to come to some kind of agreement.

Why THJ couldn't is sad. That's it, that's the end of the story.

[kjs86z2]

shovel is very mad about vidya game

[shovelquest]

I am mad about this community.

This community is mad about a vidya game.

Hope this helps!

[Bisonzabi]

https://files.catbox.moe/at9a5t.jpg
He may have been incompetent and didn't know how to handle Verant/SoE when EQ momentarily got big, but I kneel to you for your take, Smed-sama.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://massivelyop.com/2025/09/27/the-everquest-emu-community-scrambles-as-multiple-servers-lose-hosting-and-the-subreddit-goes-dark/#comments
Oh man the comment section is pure lunacy. Crying how people not being able to profit 100k a month off someone else's IP is due to late stage capitalism.
Only under a People's Democratic Republic can we truly find salvation for Everquest!
https://files.catbox.moe/ejgpgq.png

Just reposting solely because that is my top fave photo of Dear Fatso.

[shovelquest]

Reminder: if they won the lawsuit all of you would be like, BASED WOW SO AMAZING WOW BEST EVER HEROS

Just remember that.

[shovelquest]

https://files.catbox.moe/at9a5t.jpg
He may have been incompetent and didn't know how to handle Verant/SoE when EQ momentarily got big, but I kneel to you for your take, Smed-sama.

The right way to handle this would have been to foster the community officially.

The incompotant way to handle it is by suing them into the ground and torch the community.

You and I both agree: That guy doesn't know how to handle EQ and is incompetent.

[Reiwa]

Reminder: if they won the lawsuit all of you would be like, BASED WOW SO AMAZING WOW BEST EVER HEROS

Just remember that.

They didn't win the lawsuit yet they met the standards for an injunction.

Here are the four requirements:

Likelihood of Success on the Merits:
Irreparable Harm:
Balance of Hardships:
Public Interest:

Whether that means it's all over but the crying depends on the Swiss.

https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Npc_king_ak%60anon.png

[cd288]

Reminder: if they won the lawsuit all of you would be like, BASED WOW SO AMAZING WOW BEST EVER HEROS

Just remember that.

Not me. I was rooting against them. I don't like when other people profit off someone else's IP.

[shovelquest]

Don't give me any of your virtue signaling you make about the p99 agreement, that only existed for less than half of this servers lifetime.

If THJ came to an agreement with DBG then you'd be like, "That's good and fair"

But they couldn't. So you're like this:

https://i.imgur.com/kyG4alV.png

And you want ritual sacrifices to be made.

[sammoHung]

If THJ came to an agreement with DBG then you'd be like, "That's good and fair"


Yeah, but daybreak would never come to an agreement with someone who opened up a marketplace, similar to the Daybreak Shop, where you can buy items in-game on an emulated server.

the very fact that they crossed that line a) painted a huge target on their back and b) lost them a lot of support in the eqemu community

[shovelquest]

Yeah, but daybreak would never come to an agreement with someone who opened up a marketplace, similar to the Daybreak Shop, where you can buy items in-game on an emulated server.

the very fact that they crossed that line a) painted a huge target on their back and b) lost them a lot of support in the eqemu community

why wouldn't they? It only proves there is huge profits to be made for the 6 boxing krono farming marketplace community that makes up all of live.

[cd288]

Don't give me any of your virtue signaling you make about the p99 agreement, that only existed for less than half of this servers lifetime.

If THJ came to an agreement with DBG then you'd be like, "That's good and fair"

But they couldn't. So you're like this:

https://i.imgur.com/kyG4alV.png

And you want ritual sacrifices to be made.

Dude...it's pretty clear what's needed to have Daybreak not come after you. The P99 agreement is basically the framework for what Daybreak will allow (look at their negotiations with Quarm, Quarm basically has the same framework about content, expansion, and not-monetizing as P99 does now and is still running).

The ENTIRE community is aware of this. Everyone knows what Daybreak's concerns are with respect to emulated servers. THJ made a CONCIOUS CHOICE to monetize their server and manipulate the IP in ways that go well beyond what everyone knows Daybreak is okay with.

THJ couldn't come to an agreement with Daybreak because the server and its practices were so far beyond what Daybreak is usually willing to allow. Quarm could come to an agreement because content-wise the changes to the IP were relatively minimal, Quarm agreed to remove those changes, and Quarm wasn't monetizing anything.

THJ was never going to be allowed to exist.

[shovelquest]

Dude...it's pretty clear what's needed to have Daybreak not come after you. The P99 agreement is basically the framework for what Daybreak will allow (look at their negotiations with Quarm, Quarm basically has the same framework about content, expansion, and not-monetizing as P99 does now and is still running).

The ENTIRE community is aware of this. Everyone knows what Daybreak's concerns are with respect to emulated servers. THJ made a CONCIOUS CHOICE to monetize their server and manipulate the IP in ways that go well beyond what everyone knows Daybreak is okay with.

THJ couldn't come to an agreement with Daybreak because the server and its practices were so far beyond what Daybreak is usually willing to allow. Quarm could come to an agreement because content-wise the changes to the IP were relatively minimal, Quarm agreed to remove those changes, and Quarm wasn't monetizing anything.

THJ was never going to be allowed to exist.

Oh so once again the "they are stealing too much, not stealing just enough" argument.

[cd288]

Oh so once again the "they are stealing too much, not stealing just enough" argument.

What a nonsensical reply. The owner of the IP has made clear what they are willing to allow third parties to do with their IP (i.e., they have made clear what they don't view as "stealing" at all). THJ blatantly chose to ignore that and got fucked for it.

They were idiots and I don't have sympathy for them when Daybreak has made completely clear what is and isn't okay for people to do with their IP.

[shovelquest]

THJ couldn't come to an agreement with Daybreak because the server and its practices were so far beyond what Daybreak is usually willing to allow.

This is where you lose. This is a made up story. You have no evidence, and wont evr have any evidence of that. You just say it. Because it seems like the truth to you.

But the truth is that they never even tried to come to an agreement. THJ (in my opinion making a bad move) responded imidiatlly to the C/D with a counter, rather than reaching out to talk.

They could have done a lot to make DBG happy, and I'd like to think if i were them, I would do all the right things.

But most of the time in my life I make mistakes too, bad calls that I think are good calls and for the betterment of everyone etc.

But thets it. I think yeah, they could have handled it better, but I also think DBG could have as well.

You're like doing this type of argument:

The guy resisted the police officer so it was the right hing to do to shoot them.

Type argument.

And unless you believe that is the case 100% of the time in traffic stops.

Then at least admit that DBG came at them too hard. And THJ should have not resisted.

They could have worked together, and I would prefer EQ was a community, where developers that make EMUs like this, can, and are embraced by DBG and we grow and foster all the EQ communities.

Not have them all hate each other.

[cd288]

But the truth is that they never even tried to come to an agreement

Yes Daybreak never tried to come to an agreement because they didn't want to. They have no interest in having their IP extremely modified in such a way. And that's 100% their right as the IP holder. Sorry.

[shovelquest]

Yes Daybreak never tried to come to an agreement because they didn't want to. They have no interest in having their IP extremely modified in such a way. And that's 100% their right as the IP holder. Sorry.

You keep actin like I say it's not their right.

I absolutly have never said it wasn't and have said the opposite multiple times.

I said what would have been better for the community is for DBG to foster it.

But that's not even remotely close to the issue ITT the issue ITT that i take umbrage to is listening to people telling lies to discredit the THJ developers, like this very one I have in quotes from you:

No, that is not true. This did not happen, the OPPOSITE happened:

- March 2025: Daybreak says THJ’s lawyers emailed Daybreak’s general counsel proposing a “marketing collaboration,” but didn’t disclose it was an EverQuest emulator. That comes from Daybreak’s reply brief and the attached Chan declaration the judge relied on

- June 10 2025: Daybreak files its complaint in federal court and simultaneously seeks a temporary restraining order; the judge denies the ex parte TRO request on June 18.

- June 27 2025: The court approves a joint stipulation: THJ pauses updates, escrows revenue, posts a statement, and preserves evidence pending the injunction fight.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.819107/gov.uscourts.casd.819107.53.0.pdf

There was wasnt an attempt by THJ to be sponsored/official, but there was no reply other than for them to request a judge order a C/D (that was denied by the judge).

Which is why THJ decided to fight back,. They felt they were being mistreated, and the judge gave their lawyers the idea that they might have a case to stay alive officially on their own.

its all sad, and just a series of misfortunate events.

But it would have been better for everyone to all be friends, than to sue EMU creators that want to be part of the family.

But at the very least, stop lying to make them seem like bad guys.

[shovelquest]

Oh my bad I literally read the quote i had that you said that daybreak came with an agreement but they (thj) didnt want to.

But still.

The fact reamins, that when their server went live they called DBG to make sure it was on the level, and DBG just came at them with the full force of the law.

And that you can say is good, tahts your right.

I think its not cool, but that's the extent of how i feel about it.

What i Don't like is people saying that these guys are grifters, and "good riddence" to them, no not good riddence! If you don't like them, then dont play their game, but dont root for their failure thats just rude.

We're eq nerds who else is gonna stand up for us other than us?

Whatever.

CD you have not called for their blood, but I don't like your "good riddence" vibes, and its your right to be on DBGs side but don't root for their demise either please.

[cd288]

You keep actin like I say it's not their right.

I absolutly have never said it wasn't and have said the opposite multiple times.

I said what would have been better for the community is for DBG to foster it.

But that's not even remotely close to the issue ITT the issue ITT that i take umbrage to is listening to people telling lies to discredit the THJ developers, like this very one I have in quotes from you:

No, that is not true. This did not happen, the OPPOSITE happened:



https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.819107/gov.uscourts.casd.819107.53.0.pdf

There was wasnt an attempt by THJ to be sponsored/official, but there was no reply other than for them to request a judge order a C/D (that was denied by the judge).

Which is why THJ decided to fight back,. They felt they were being mistreated, and the judge gave their lawyers the idea that they might have a case to stay alive officially on their own.

its all sad, and just a series of misfortunate events.

But it would have been better for everyone to all be friends, than to sue EMU creators that want to be part of the family.

But at the very least, stop lying to make them seem like bad guys.

Where did I lie? I've said Daybreak wasn't interested in allowing THJ to operate even under an agreement (true), I've said THJ intentionally monetized and profited off Daybreak's IP (true), I've said it's clear what Daybreak is willing to allow the emulator community to do with its IP based on agreements such as P99, negotiations with servers such as Quarm, and other servers that Daybreak simply allows to exist (true). Nothing I've said is false lol.

[Xathos53]

Im not the victim. I think you guys shaming and making up lies about grifting and stealing about 2 innocent people is wrong.

Im not a victim. I just think you guys are BAD PEOPLE.

Two innocent people?

[shovelquest]

Two innocent people?

yes their "crimes" are forgivable and they are everquest devs so they deserve maximum forgiveness.

I mean, lets not forget they reached out to DBG when they launched the server, heard nothing, so went on their marry way for months.

[shovelquest]

Where did I lie? I've said Daybreak wasn't interested in allowing THJ to operate even under an agreement (true), I've said THJ intentionally monetized and profited off Daybreak's IP (true), I've said it's clear what Daybreak is willing to allow the emulator community to do with its IP based on agreements such as P99, negotiations with servers such as Quarm, and other servers that Daybreak simply allows to exist (true). Nothing I've said is false lol.

see above, sorry i apologize for misreading that quoted text.

But. They are not bad guys either.

I've said it's clear what Daybreak is willing to allow the emulator community to do with its IP based on agreements such as P99

I dont think its clear though, you may think you have a firm grasp about it, but because THJ reached out to DBG and got no reply for months...Im sure they thought they were doing everything on the level, and just really happy for once in their miserable lives.

[Xathos53]

yes their "crimes" are forgivable and they are everquest devs so they deserve maximum forgiveness.

I mean, lets not forget they reached out to DBG when they launched the server, heard nothing, so went on their marry way for months.

You are trying to spin this story and falling short. Those two ass clowns are not innocent people. They are directly responsible for the problems facing the EQ emu community. They knew they were wrong to start with. Then when they were dragged into the courtroom they made plenty of disparaging comments about DBG and how they were going to fight DBG.

[CrazyPro]

reading this reply chain is like banging my head against a brick wall

[shovelquest]

I am the death silky mist now.

[shovelquest]

You are trying to spin this story and falling short. Those two ass clowns are not innocent people. They are directly responsible for the problems facing the EQ emu community. They knew they were wrong to start with. Then when they were dragged into the courtroom they made plenty of disparaging comments about DBG and how they were going to fight DBG.

Disagree, DBG immediately also gave a pass to Quarm, after the lawsuit.

So nobody is in danger.

The "problems" facing the EMU community stem from individuals who are involved in it taking their own stance on this issue.

[onmove_broke]

The p99 agreement allows p99 to go up to Depths of Darkhollow

In the lawsuit with THJ it said Velious.

[Xathos53]

Disagree, DBG immediately also gave a pass to Quarm, after the lawsuit.

So nobody is in danger.

The "problems" facing the EMU community stem from individuals who are involved in it taking their own stance on this issue.

Despite the claims of THJ recently, they did indeed try to throw the emu community under the bus and the court documents attest to just that.

Akkadius taking his ball and going home in anger is his own problem. He was pretty involved with THJ, so that probably is a factor in this.

[nbkr1ckynbk]

Man this shovel guy is veryyy upset his favorite EQ server got shut down ��������

[shovelquest]

Despite the claims of THJ recently, they did indeed try to throw the emu community under the bus and the court documents attest to just that.

How exactly do they?

I think they show that THJ not only tried to reach out but had reason to believe they were doing nothing wrong.

[Reiwa]

Man this shovel guy is veryyy upset his favorite EQ server got shut down ��������

Is that out of pocket? I'm jazzed my local grocery got my preferred enchilada sauce back in stock.

[Ekco]

In the lawsuit with THJ it said Velious.


https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.819107/gov.uscourts.casd.819107.53.4.pdf


f)
Project 1999 will be maintained at all times as a legacy fan project and will never
be operated in conjunction with any EverQuest expansion other than the following: The Ruins
of Kunark, The Scars of Velious, The Shadows of Luclin, The Planes of Power, The Legacy of
Ykesha, Lost Dungeons of Norrath, Gates of Discord, Omens of War, Dragons of Norrath, and
Depths of Darkhollow.

people aren't just pulling the DoDH thing outta their ass, it's mentioned by name like all the other titanium client expansions in the actual agreement

[shovelquest]

people aren't just pulling the DoDH thing outta their ass, it's mentioned by name like all the other titanium client expansions in the actual agreement

It's also feels like a well engineered passive aggressive joke made by them to allow that for this community. :p

Got any wording about if they can or can't launch another server ever published online?

[shovelquest]

I guess it doesn't say they cant, but it doesn't say they can in there either, So i guess that means they can?

[Reiwa]

I guess it doesn't say they cant, but it doesn't say they can in there either, So i guess that means they can?

You'd probably have to read the entire agreement or have AI summarize it.

[shovelquest]

Its actually not that long

I gotta admit allowing P99 to solicit donations is super generous. Shame that THJ didn't just follow this contract as their roadmap for how to do donations.

I don't think that justifies shitting all over them though, just let them take the L and learn from it. They made a great game and ran a great server.

[Ekco]

Live is about to be on their 32nd expansion, even if we don't consider *checks notes* a expansion that came out in 2005 as "classic" any reasonable person, including the lawyer who wrote that document most likely did consider Titanium a client they provided on five(5) physical disks.... as all the same "that fucking old ass shit".

in conclusion, let's go to the moon and see them cats.

[shovelquest]

That makes sense. Still is an epic joke.

[CrazyPro]

In the lawsuit with THJ it said Velious.

If you look at the actual agreement they cited in the lawsuit it says up to DoDH

[Reiwa]

This is what you're defending when you take up for ENAD7 Global:

https://i.imgur.com/sa3sYsV.png

The hour is late.

[CrazyPro]

This is what you're defending when you take up for ENAD7 Global:

https://i.imgur.com/sa3sYsV.png

The hour is late.

they should merge like half of those servers

[shovelquest]

And add THJ

[Ekco]

Fennin Ro getting 2nd billing to Cazic-Thule is a war crime, it should be Fennin Ro - Cazic-Thule

and The Nameless gets listed instead of the actual good server merged into that pile, Morell-Thule?

fuck everything.

[Reiwa]

Fennin Ro getting 2nd billing to Cazic-Thule is a war crime, it should be Fennin Ro - Cazic-Thule

and The Nameless gets listed instead of the actual good server merged into that pile, Morell-Thule?

fuck everything.

Team Neutral appears to have gotten the last laugh with Bristlebane - Tribunal being the only high pop standard server.

[shovelquest]

Fangbreaker high my ass!

[cd288]

Got any wording about if they can or can't launch another server ever published online?

They are obviously allowed to add new servers because they literally launched Green years after the agreement you dolt. They just have to work with Daybreak to ensure that the launch of a new server or any Kunark/Velious expansion doesn't coincide with the launch of a new Daybreak server (such as when they delayed the release of Velious on Blue so it didn't overlap with Daybreak's latest TLP release).

I gotta admit allowing P99 to solicit donations is super generous. Shame that THJ didn't just follow this contract as their roadmap for how to do donations.

P99 isn't soliciting donations for profit. They are only allowed to take in money to the extent necessary to cover server maintenance costs. Anything beyond that they don't keep.

I know that you know this, and you're just being intentionally disingenuous in your bad faith arguments/statements.

[shovelquest]

Anything beyond that they don't keep.

Oh really? When did you get this idea?

Do they send it back to the donator if it’s past the monthly limit or do they send it to daybreak games or do they do it to a charity?

[red_demonman]

I highly doubt they limit it a certain amount on donations, but I also doubt there is money just pouring in on donations. I'd even wager to say the majority of the population has never donated.

Its also much different to promote ways to get ahead in the game by direct transaction (THJ) versus asking for money to keep servers up. The first you will get a LOT of participation in, the second is not likely to draw big numbers.

[shovelquest]

Yeah good point, if THJ had 200 active users, Im sure DBG wouldn't have careded about their donations either.

[kjs86z2]

BiG sSiPss

[sammoHung]

Yeah good point, if THJ had 200 active users, Im sure DBG wouldn't have careded about their donations either.

Yeah - it's the combination of the two. You can't be loud AND be doing something illegal. You can only choose one.

[shovelquest]

Yeah - it's the combination of the two. You can't be loud AND be doing something illegal. You can only choose one.

https://i.imgur.com/okNxMh8.png

https://i.imgur.com/BkHCsVD.png

[shovelquest]

In terms of #'s though... Im sure we all would have turned off the donations the first time we had "holy shit money" rolling in lol.

Ah well.

Does show how good and mature Rogaen is. Gotta hand it to Rog/Nilbog, they did always handle this server with Alec Guinness.

cj71HnSJaUM

[sammoHung]

They weren't getting donations, they were selling in-game items for real-life cash.

We're back to page 1 here folks. Let's keep this party going!

M I C K E Y M O U S E

[shovelquest]

There's two ways to look at it.

1. They thought they were doing something cool and giving back to people for donating.

2. RED RED I SEE RED RED THEY ARE EVIL RED RED

I chose 1.

They showed me that they were good people, and definitly were not "absentee" they were working hard.

If anything it shows that $ and incentive > just doing it for the love of it (no new servers in like 6 years etc).

Lets argue about communism vs capitalism.

Also when are you guys gonna ask for this type of authority when it comes to violent offenders?

ok moving on.

[sammoHung]

There have been many new servers in the past year, that people really enjoy playing. Ironically those servers got shut down because of THJ.

I want to let you leave this conversation, but I'm bored, I finished all my work, and I'm stuck at my office for another hour.

[shovelquest]

I want to let you leave this conversation, but I'm bored, I finished all my work, and I'm stuck at my office for another hour.

I'd recommend trying out THJ but, you know..

[Cecily]

What happened to THJ?

[shovelquest]

It was too good, so the investment firm that likes to make money selling krono to 12 boxers shut it down.

[Knuckle]

There's two ways to look at it.

1. They thought they were doing something cool and giving back to people for donating.

2. RED RED I SEE RED RED THEY ARE EVIL RED RED

I chose 1.

They showed me that they were good people, and definitly were not "absentee" they were working hard.

If anything it shows that $ and incentive > just doing it for the love of it (no new servers in like 6 years etc).

Lets argue about communism vs capitalism.

Also when are you guys gonna ask for this type of authority when it comes to violent offenders?

ok moving on.

I personally don't care that they made money using a dusty ass IP to make money, but the ripple effect does make pooping on them easier. I also don't try to whitewash it from profit to "providing value for donations" as thats a joke. They are following classic private server playbook of selling pay to win shops as "donations". It's always a profit thing but maybe I am just more indifferent to these type of servers because they make some truly impressive custom work.

[shovelquest]

"Guys, why do MMOs suck now?"

Same person:

"Actually even though they target exploitable markets to make as much money with as little effort as possible, they own the rights and theft is theft also the ones that made the fun version of the game everyone loved should be ruined and hated."

(You know I am not wrong about the irony here.)

[Knuckle]

"Guys, why do MMOs suck now?"

Same person:

"Actually even though they target exploitable markets to make as much money with as little effort as possible, they own the rights and theft is theft also the ones that made the fun version of the game everyone loved should be ruined and hated."

(You know I am not wrong about the irony here.)

People here are wanting it held to the standard of p1999 where people are making amazing stuff as a free non-profit. Where donations are truly just donations. And we are seeing THJ an example of why it has to be this way.

[shovelquest]

I personally don't care that they made money using a dusty ass IP to make money, but the ripple effect does make pooping on them easier. I also don't try to whitewash it from profit to "providing value for donations" as thats a joke. They are following classic private server playbook of selling pay to win shops as "donations". It's always a profit thing but maybe I am just more indifferent to these type of servers because they make some truly impressive custom work.

Yeah

It's a shame they didn't approach it more conservatively and just pretend the agreement rog/nil got, was the same one they should follow.

But it's also a shame I didn't invest more in bitcoin or apple in 2008 so I can't fault them for making bad financial decisions that check out in hindsight.

[JayDee]

THJ shit in the sandbox and are now wondering why.
Dumbarses the lot of them. Players included.

Sorry to those who see no problem with THJ shitting on everything. No wait. No, im not sorry.

Maybe DBG would have come down on the emu at some point, but this seems to be a major catalyst.

Glad i never tried the "Pidgeon who plays chess" version of the emu servers.

They were making over a hundred thousand dollars a month which is probably the same amount they make from the EQ IP at this point. If they did it for the love of the game and the players, they wouldnt have made a cash shop

[shovelquest]

Did you play it? It was clear with the details they implemented there was a deep love for the game. They had like NPCs you could interact with to [talk to] brad mquaid about the game and the inspiration of all of it and stuff. Was really cool.

Im sure they steadily ramped up from 0$ to 100K and by then it's very hard to turn that tap off Im sure. Probably super easy to rationalize that you're not hurting anyone or doing anything wrong. Pobody's nerfect.

(except rog/nilbog)

[loramin]

After a week, the EverQuest Reddit has finally been rescued from the mod who tried to kill it forever (https://massivelyop.com/2025/10/04/after-a-week-the-everquest-reddit-has-finally-been-rescued-from-the-mod-who-tried-to-seal-it-off/)

[Ekco]

but don’t worry, there’s already fresh drama.
Sort by: Controversial

ah yes, this is the butthurt i crave.

fuck that mod.

[Reiwa]

After a week, the EverQuest Reddit has finally been rescued from the mod who tried to kill it forever (https://massivelyop.com/2025/10/04/after-a-week-the-everquest-reddit-has-finally-been-rescued-from-the-mod-who-tried-to-seal-it-off/)

He didn't own the IP.

[shovelquest]

Of course the retards that are on the side of institutional destruction of creativity like reddit lol

[loramin]

Of course the retards that are on the side of institutional destruction of creativity like reddit lol

So you'd rather burn down the entire community than let people enjoy discussing EQ on a social network you dislike?

https://media.tenor.com/XXsPErTaYvkAAAAM/thats-just-nihilism-south-park.gif

[shovelquest]

So you'd rather burn down the entire community than let people enjoy discussing EQ on a social network you dislike?

https://media.tenor.com/XXsPErTaYvkAAAAM/thats-just-nihilism-south-park.gif

Are you telling me protests are riots that are burning down the community?

[Ekco]

redditors are stupid as shit, already people making threads on there asking for client download links and people actually providing them

[shovelquest]

redditors are stupid as shit, already people making threads on there asking for client download links and people actually providing them

Yeah no shit but thank god reddit and live EQ won the fight.

[shovelquest]

So you'd rather burn down the entire community than let people enjoy discussing EQ on a social network you dislike?

https://media.tenor.com/XXsPErTaYvkAAAAM/thats-just-nihilism-south-park.gif

In June 2020, numerous Reddit communities participated in a large-scale "blackout" to protest systemic racism. This coordinated effort was part of a larger, cross-platform movement that occurred in the wake of the protests.


[I]Why is that not nihilism and destroying the community, Loramin??/I]

https://i.imgur.com/fNpvOlZ.png

[Ekco]

https://cdn-icons-png.flaticon.com/512/54/54272.png

imma post a black square on my socials to protest DBG now

[Cecily]

Go to the melee solo thread and tell me this community shouldn't be purged.

[shovelquest]

Then where else will I see great retorts like:

It's the determining factor.

[Ekco]

Go to the melee solo thread and tell me this community shouldn't be purged.

The arrogance here is frankly astounding.

also, i'm never opening that thread again, holy fuck

[shovelquest]

I like that thread it reminds me why I fit right the fuck in around here.

[Ekco]

god damn, fuckin.. 29 people in EC atm, DBG should send out some more C&D letters and take people to court.

where's that dude who wrote the angry email, get to it dude.

https://i.imgur.com/5Dk2heJ.png

[shovelquest]

god damn, fuckin.. 29 people in EC atm, DBG should send out some more C&D letters and take people to court.

where's that dude who wrote the angry email, get to it dude.

https://i.imgur.com/5Dk2heJ.png

So you'd rather burn down the community??!

*meanwhile the community:

https://i.imgur.com/7OfU9BS.png

[Ekco]

Something something classic prisoner's dilemma problem

[shovelquest]

Something something classic prisoner's dilemma problem

LqP5cXGESgk

[Ekco]

So you'd rather burn down the community??!

*meanwhile the community:

https://i.imgur.com/7OfU9BS.png

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-30-2018/C65de0.gif

Daybreak Games, SOE's ghost,
THJ gets big and then they boast.
Client files swapped, new code in place,
TLP launch loses every race.
Monetizing tokens, the cash is flowing free,
Profiting off Daybreak's IP.
P2W store in a sudden, server crash,
Legal papers filed in a flash.

Chorus
We didn't start the server,
It was always running,
Since the source was stunning.
We didn't start the server,
No, we didn't code it,
But Daybreak finally noticed!

[shovelquest]

The THJ community:

https://i.imgur.com/oaCHMD6.png

The, "Do you want to burn down the EMU community?!", community:

https://i.imgur.com/eLSz5eH.png

The actual EMU community:

https://i.imgur.com/S9VXY1h.png

[shovelquest]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-30-2018/C65de0.gif

Daybreak Games, SOE's ghost,
THJ gets big and then they boast.
Client files swapped, new code in place,
TLP launch loses every race.
Monetizing tokens, the cash is flowing free,
Profiting off Daybreak's IP.
P2W store in a sudden, server crash,
Legal papers filed in a flash.

Chorus
We didn't start the server,
It was always running,
Since the source was stunning.
We didn't start the server,
No, we didn't code it,
But Daybreak finally noticed!

:D

[bcbrown]

Then where else will I see great retorts like:

That was such a good quip

[sammoHung]

The THJ community:

https://i.imgur.com/oaCHMD6.png

The, "Do you want to burn down the EMU community?!", community:

https://i.imgur.com/eLSz5eH.png

The actual EMU community:

https://i.imgur.com/S9VXY1h.png

No, that's the p99 forums and raiders community. The EQEmu community outside of p99 forums and UN is actually quite pleasant.

[sammoHung]

redditors are stupid as shit, already people making threads on there asking for client download links and people actually providing them

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Oaq1HNMNDVsAAAAd/facepalm-crowd.gif

[Duik]

THJ is just a memory.

No matter the initial intent.

No matter the (lame) songs.

They shot their shot. It hit their mothers in the mouth.

Daddy got angry. Time to move out of the basement.

[Cecily]

No, that's the p99 forums and raiders community. The EQEmu community outside of p99 forums and UN is actually quite pleasant.

Obviously not real EQ players then.

[Reiwa]

Anyway, P99 moving to a new host has been postponed?

[Bones]

The THJ crowd will continue to deny that its monetization is what caused the lawsuit. They will then continue to claim that THJ is just an emu like any other emu while ignoring the actual case which shows otherwise. As we've already seen, they've attempted to blame DBG for shutting down other servers when in truth DBG did not do so.

So, here we are with THJ folks lying their asses off. Nothing new under the sun. They brought this on themselves, so fuck them.

Not a THJ crowd member, but you are just wrong here buddy. The popularity of THJ is what caused the lawsuit. The monetization was just legal ammo, if you cant see that you simply do not understand how this shit works, or you are just being intentionally disingenuous out of anger for what's happening and wanting to point the finger and probably a die hard anti-RMT guy. Its pointed in the right direction, but at the wrong thing. This is THJs fault, but its not because of RMT.

DBG was bleeding players to THJ. They knew it. The cash shop literally just gave them easy legal ammo for a quick judicial decision for a preliminary injunction. Even if THJ didn't make any money at all and there was no cash shop, they are STILL at the very least issuing a C&D in that scenario, and then moving on to lawsuit if the C&D is not abided; a lawsuit they still win in that scenario EVEN if there was no RMT going on, because DBG was able to prove with quarterly reports on revenue that they were bleeding money and subscriptions while THJs active player numbers were going up.

[Infectious]

Not a THJ crowd member, but you are just wrong here buddy. The popularity of THJ is what caused the lawsuit. The monetization was just legal ammo, if you cant see that you simply do not understand how this shit works, or you are just being intentionally disingenuous out of anger for what's happening and wanting to point the finger and probably a die hard anti-RMT guy. Its pointed in the right direction, but at the wrong thing. This is THJs fault, but its not because of RMT.

DBG was bleeding players to THJ. They knew it. The cash shop literally just gave them easy legal ammo for a quick judicial decision for a preliminary injunction. Even if THJ didn't make any money at all and there was no cash shop, they are STILL at the very least issuing a C&D in that scenario, and then moving on to lawsuit if the C&D is not abided; a lawsuit they still win in that scenario EVEN if there was no RMT going on, because DBG was able to prove with quarterly reports on revenue that they were bleeding money and subscriptions while THJs active player numbers were going up.

If DBG was smart they would go at EQ emu and just set it up so people host emu servers on their platform and collect a cut. Who is running things over there lol

[shovelquest]

That would be epic.

Battlefield 1942 came with the mod servers on the main server select (I think battlefield 6 is going to do this too?) and it brought me, and a lot of people who dont mod, into one place and there were so many amazing mods

starwars, gijoe, spider tanks, desert combat, there were tons of others too like vietnam and hardcore mods, it was cool.

Would be amazing to see that with everquest.

[cd288]

Not a THJ crowd member, but you are just wrong here buddy. The popularity of THJ is what caused the lawsuit. The monetization was just legal ammo, if you cant see that you simply do not understand how this shit works, or you are just being intentionally disingenuous out of anger for what's happening and wanting to point the finger and probably a die hard anti-RMT guy. Its pointed in the right direction, but at the wrong thing. This is THJs fault, but its not because of RMT.

DBG was bleeding players to THJ. They knew it. The cash shop literally just gave them easy legal ammo for a quick judicial decision for a preliminary injunction. Even if THJ didn't make any money at all and there was no cash shop, they are STILL at the very least issuing a C&D in that scenario, and then moving on to lawsuit if the C&D is not abided; a lawsuit they still win in that scenario EVEN if there was no RMT going on, because DBG was able to prove with quarterly reports on revenue that they were bleeding money and subscriptions while THJs active player numbers were going up.

I mean to be clear an IP owner doesn't need "easy legal ammo" to enforce their IP. They can get an injunction whenever they want.

The one thing I think that goes against the population argument is that when Green launched there were over 2,000 people on the server and Daybreak didn't try to pull any shenanigans to try to revoke the agreement. Quarm has had a lot of people on it too, and Daybreak just asked them to remove certain custom content and agree not to go past a certain expansion (IIRC). They seem to understand there is a certain amount of goodwill/PR by allowing emulated servers to exist, but they have historically had a problem if they think you're going to try and monetize it.

[shovelquest]

You're talking 2k ppv vs 30k.

Nos twas 800k before it got shut down.

[shovelquest]

Also Thj was just hitting its viral growing phase, every day more and more people were joining. More and more videos and streams.

And the cope de grace: Fangbreaker flop

Green server specifically was in the agreement. And was all organized with it to not release until after one of the upcoming tlp server launches.

[sammoHung]

honestly its because daybreaks bloodhound gang of laywers sniffed the grift, and they stepped in to be the heroes of the EQEmu community by shutting down a project that was collecting massive donation money based on stolen IP using a pre-existing codebase that developers on EQEmu have spent years building before it was appropriated into a for-profit money making scheme.

[cd288]

You're talking 2k ppv vs 30k.

I'm talking 2k+ average online. THJ's average online was ~1.7k with a max around 4k at the highest measurement.

We don't know what the total number of P99 users is. And as we all know, it's a difficult number to even place relevance on, as it's hard to differentiate whether an account is truly a unique user or is an alternate account as most are set up with separate emails, etc.

That's why actively online numbers are more important. And Daybreak doesn't seem to care about those as much as they do monetization, which they have proven by contrasting their pursuit of THJ versus their willingness to allow 4 figure population servers to exist without monetization.

/thread

[cd288]

honestly its because daybreaks bloodhound gang of laywers sniffed the grift, and they stepped in to be the heroes of the EQEmu community by shutting down a project that was collecting massive donation money based on stolen IP using a pre-existing codebase that developers on EQEmu have spent years building before it was appropriated into a for-profit money making scheme.

Agreed

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Fangbreaker flop was an own goal. A long time coming own goal.

The issue with THJ is a distraction from the fact decreasing numbers of people want to turn the sacred krono wheels anymore with these TLP's. The Fangbreaker ruleset is just oppressive. It's like if you could take Gaza's No Absolutes in Human Suffering LP and turn it into a game. At least that is what it felt like to me anyway.

There's something rotten about the TLP routine and EQ is a warehoused IP. There is no one to "fix" whatever the TLP problem is, and no margins to play with. An ugly time for live.

If they could come for p99 they would.