Depressing news

[Jimjam]

honestly its because daybreaks bloodhound gang of laywers sniffed the grift, and they stepped in to be the heroes of the EQEmu community by shutting down a project that was collecting massive donation money based on stolen IP using a pre-existing codebase that developers on EQEmu have spent years building before it was appropriated into a for-profit money making scheme.

Yeah, I've viewed eqemu as a community hobby project. Admitedly I've mainly contributed to the p99 fork, my contributions have been from the perspective of the love of it, and I'm sure others feel the same.

[shovelquest]

I'm talking 2k+ average online. THJ's average online was ~1.7k with a max around 4k at the highest measurement.

Thats not true at all, the number comes straight from the lawsuit.

The judge’s preliminary injunction order (Sept 19, 2025) summarizes Daybreak’s evidence and explicitly notes: “In December 2024… THJ already had 2,000 users… today, THJ has more than 30,000 users,” citing Daybreak’s supplemental motion.

[shovelquest]

In comparison, Project1999 on EQEmulator’s own server pages showed the all-time peaks were 2667 on Green, 2162 on Blue, and 663 on Red.

With “3100+ players” being the all time high online across Green+Blue during Green’s launch week in Oct 2019.

https://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42672&utm_source

[Ephirith]

honestly its because daybreaks bloodhound gang of laywers sniffed the grift, and they stepped in to be the heroes of the EQEmu community by shutting down a project that was collecting massive donation money based on stolen IP using a pre-existing codebase that developers on EQEmu have spent years building before it was appropriated into a for-profit money making scheme.

If this joke was intended, fucking bravo, especially because The Bad Touch was released in 1999 :D shit's classic

https://i.imgur.com/o6mu61d.jpeg

[cd288]

Thats not true at all, the number comes straight from the lawsuit.

The judge’s preliminary injunction order (Sept 19, 2025) summarizes Daybreak’s evidence and explicitly notes: “In December 2024… THJ already had 2,000 users… today, THJ has more than 30,000 users,” citing Daybreak’s supplemental motion.

Yet again, you show poor reading comprehension.

Reread what I wrote in my last comment. 30,000 users is the total number of users, and is different from online numbers. And when looking at total users for emu servers, it's hard to understand how many unique users there truly are.

For instance, let's hypothetically say P99 had 20,000 "users". We'd all know that number isn't truly reflective of the total number of P99 players, because tons of players have multiple accounts. But at the same time it might be hard to narrow down to the true number because, while players have multiple accounts, it's not always clear how many accounts tie to one player (different emails, usernames, P99/eq emu logins, etc.).

[cd288]

If they could come for p99 they would.

They could have if they wanted to. It's their IP, they could've shut down P99 when it started. Instead they told P99 it could keep operating subject to certain conditions.

[shovelquest]

Yet again, you show poor reading comprehension.

Reread what I wrote in my last comment. 30,000 users is the total number of users, and is different from online numbers. And when looking at total users for emu servers, it's hard to understand how many unique users there truly are.

For instance, let's hypothetically say P99 had 20,000 "users". We'd all know that number isn't truly reflective of the total number of P99 players, because tons of players have multiple accounts. But at the same time it might be hard to narrow down to the true number because, while players have multiple accounts, it's not always clear how many accounts tie to one player (different emails, usernames, P99/eq emu logins, etc.).

No 30k was CONCURRENT that means at any given time there were 3k players. 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week.

What you're looking at with p99 was once, it hit 3k players during the launch week of green.

P99 had an all time high of 4k concurrent players that info is on the EMU site.

[sammoHung]

If this joke was intended, fucking bravo, especially because The Bad Touch was released in 1999 :D shit's classic

https://i.imgur.com/o6mu61d.jpeg

1999 Had Bloodhound Gang, American Pie, the Matrix, Stone Cold Steve Austin and EverQuest. Truly peak humanity.

[sammoHung]

Oh yeah and Office Space

[cd288]

No 30k was CONCURRENT that means at any given time there were 3k players. 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week.

What you're looking at with p99 was once, it hit 3k players during the launch week of green.

P99 had an all time high of 4k concurrent players that info is on the EMU site.

Jeez dude you really are dense.

I literally said that. 30k is the total number of users/playerbase that THJ peaked at, with an average of around ~1,700 players online, but peaks up to 3-4k occasionally. 30k is the total number of accounts.

The point I was making is that when we talk about total number of accounts on a server it's not really a useful number because we have no idea how many of those accounts are tied to a single player and it's really difficult to figure that out unless everyone ties all their accounts to the same login/email, which most people don't for various reasons.

To reiterate the P99 hypothetical example, if you told me it had 20,000 users I would bet that it shakes out to around 6,500 - 7,000 actual players since a ton of people have 3 accounts (or sometimes more).

[cd288]

Also, shovel you do realize I'm giving you an argument against daybreak's claims and you're disputing it right? Like you do get that?

[shovelquest]

Idk what you mean by that. but you're trying to compare 3k peak p99 during launch week of green.

To 30k active users logging into and out of their accounts 24 hours a day on THJ.

So to go all the way back to your original question "but green had like 3k players why did THJ not care about that"

Idk you'd have to ask them, but what you can know is that between 3-30k is when they start caring.

[Ennewi]

RNF paying tribute to the argument clinic sketch.

[shovelquest]

RNF paying tribute to the argument clinic sketch.

No it isn't.

[Bones]

I mean to be clear an IP owner doesn't need "easy legal ammo" to enforce their IP. They can get an injunction whenever they want.

The one thing I think that goes against the population argument is that when Green launched there were over 2,000 people on the server and Daybreak didn't try to pull any shenanigans to try to revoke the agreement. Quarm has had a lot of people on it too, and Daybreak just asked them to remove certain custom content and agree not to go past a certain expansion (IIRC). They seem to understand there is a certain amount of goodwill/PR by allowing emulated servers to exist, but they have historically had a problem if they think you're going to try and monetize it.

You have valid points, but DBG has had multiple leadership changeovers since P99's peak who were more friendly toward the EQemu and p99 communities. This is fairly well known. DBG wasnt bought out until 2020 by EG7. Smedly left in 2015, was replaced, and his replacement was gone in 2016. I mean its really not the same situation. Quarm and P99 at the peakest of peaks didnt have anywhere near the same pop as THJs peak and it attracted different crowds. THJ was pulling directly from retail players, where as P99 and Quarm and any other more classic style iteration have only been attractive toward a niche crowd of old school EQ lovers who havent touched retail EQ in a long time. They saw P99 and Quarm or even Al'Kabor was not pulling their players away or affecting their revenue. The whole argument that monetizing it suddenly is a problem just falls flat to me. Why would the company suddenly care if someone else is profiting if its not affecting their revenue at all? Seems like being petty/spiteful more than "protecting their IP". Doesn't make sense, which means it must have been affecting their revenue more than them just being upset someone else is making money.

I want to be clear im not trying to justify their cash shop or making tons of money off THJ, I just outright reject the narrative that it was mainly because of that reason. The P99 community has been vehemently opposed to RMT since the start, and its ingrained in the culture, so when they see THJ getting shut down and one of the key differences is that they monetized it, the players here want to assume that's the reason because of their deeply seeded hatred of RMT. They a corporation, they are calculated. They arent going to stir the pot just out of spite. They could clearly see THJ was affecting their revenue, it was being advertised ALL over the place with multiple EQ content creators on youtube and other social media gushing over THJ while simultaneously trashing DBG for inferior product.

[cd288]

RNF paying tribute to the argument clinic sketch.

Yeah based on his responses here I've realized that he literally doesn't understand. He's not being obstinate or biased towards THJ...he quite literally cannot mentally process what I'm explaining to him lol

[cd288]

Quarm and P99 at the peakest of peaks didnt have anywhere near the same pop as THJs peak

We don't know that though? THJ's active log in peak record of ~4k was decently higher than P99's peak (which I think was a little above ~3k as the most ever), but typically averaged ~1,700 users online. We know THJ had 30,000 accounts created, but we don't have insight into how many of those were actual unique users vs additional accounts created by one user. We also don't know how many total accounts P99 has (and again, the same problem would occur where we don't know how many are truly a unique player rather than multiple accounts tied to one player).

[QUOTE=Bones;3765322]Why would the company suddenly care if someone else is profiting if its not affecting their revenue at all?/QUOTE]

I'm confused by this question. Basically every company doesn't like it when someone is profiting off their IP. The theory (whether accurate or not) being that if someone is spending money on your IP via that unauthorized third party's monetization of it, then it's money you might otherwise see as the IP holder that you're now losing. Every company looks at it this way. Monetizing another company's IP is basically a guaranteed way to get sued by the IP holder...especially in the gaming industry.

It's why for example mods, even complete overhaul mods, are allowed to exist for games but if you try and monetize it the studio shuts you down.

[sammoHung]

Why would the company suddenly care if someone else is profiting if its not affecting their revenue at all? .

That's how IP works. Only you can profit off of your legally held IP.

I agree with your points, though. But I do think once Daybreak legal saw that THJ was operating a marketplace, their tune might have changed from sending a Cease and Desist to outright lawsuit.

[shovelquest]

Yeah based on his responses here I've realized that he literally doesn't understand. He's not being obstinate or biased towards THJ...he quite literally cannot mentally process what I'm explaining to him lol

I am trying to help you understand the difference to the question you had this morning.

But you take it as an insult and just can't accept the answer to your question is: somewhere between 3k-30k

What part of this upsets you so much :confused:

[cd288]

I am trying to help you understand the difference to the question you had this morning.

But you take it as an insult and just can't accept the answer to your question is: somewhere between 3k-30k

What part of this upsets you so much :confused:

Shovel I'm done discussing with you since you clearly don't understand the difference between an active log in and a total number of registered accounts (somehow lol). Not going to respond to you again since talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

[cd288]

That's how IP works. Only you can profit off of your legally held IP.

I agree with your points, though. But I do think once Daybreak legal saw that THJ was operating a marketplace, their tune might have changed from sending a Cease and Desist to outright lawsuit.

Yeah I think if THJ hadn't monetized it, Daybreak might have taken the approach they did with Quarm which was to tell them to make certain changes, remove certain content, and agree not to monetize.

Now, maybe the changes they would've demanded to THJ's content would've made it so that it defeated the point of playing on the server, but the server technically could've continued to exist in the modified form.

[shovelquest]

You are not getting it, those 30k people were logging in daily. Not just registered accounts.

[cd288]

You are not getting it, those 30k people were logging in daily. Not just registered accounts.

Lol what.....

Dude I read all of the relevant complaints and motions in the case. The only reference to 30,000 is in reference to 30,000 overall users (i.e. accounts). At no point is there any reference or assertion that each of those accounts is logging in daily. Again, you have zero reading comprehension and I seriously think English must not be your first language.

Either English isn't your first language or you're just a complete idiot.

[bcbrown]

You are not getting it, those 30k people were logging in daily. Not just registered accounts.

Do you have a reference for this?

[shovelquest]

They talked about it in the weekly Q&As on youtube that they did man, they were very open about it. Don't ask me to watch litreally 50s of hours of Q&As with them to find it.

But just rest assured

between 3 months they went from 0 to 30k subs, a discord with 25k active users (actively posting 24 hrs a day) and said that those numbers matched the server traffic.

At any given time you could be in the bazaar and there were over 1000 people not AFK distributed among 20 instances.

[cd288]

No one is disagreeing that THJ had 4 figure numbers of active log ins on average. There's literally no proof that each individual account of the 30,000 was logging in each day and I can virtually guarantee that they were not lol.

If they were, you'd have way higher numbers of average active logins throughout THJ's history.

I feel like we should all agree to just ignore shovel from here on out since he is a little dense

[shovelquest]

I feel like we should all agree to just ignore shovel from here on out since he is a little dense

Shut up with that CD, nobody gives a shit about you. Take your own advice.

Anyway because you can't: What are you trying to say, just say it? You think that P99 is has/had the same number of users as THJ? Because you're being stupid if you think that.

There were more people in the plane of knowledge at any given moment than there were on blue or green on any average day on green even.

[shovelquest]

Every single day for months, even trhough the lawsuit it said 3-5k users online, no matter what time of day I logged in, for months bro, months.

[cd288]

Anyway because you can't: What are you trying to say, just say it? You think that P99 is has/had the same number of users as THJ? Because you're being stupid if you think that.

Huh? When did I say that? That wouldn't even be relevant to the discussion

[cd288]

Every single day for months, even trhough the lawsuit it said 3-5k users online, no matter what time of day I logged in, for months bro, months.

And?

[shovelquest]

And?

and they had 20k average users online at once in their discord 24 hrs a day.

And they said they had server traffic that they guessed was around 30k concurrent users.

and they very expecittly explained the difference between concurrent, and active, and peak, in those youtubes.

That is information that you can use to go, hmm wow that is imprsesive.

But you hate that information because you only look at like this: damn yeah, that is quite a bit Im not surprised they got sued.

I mean, just try to break down the $100k a month for crying out loud! Im gonna ask AI (at the risk of you thinking AI is always wrong and fake and auto disqualifying it)

But it says that breaks down to 10,000 monthly donators. That's 10,000 people playing so much they donate!

A pretty normal “gaming community” mix to hit ~$100k could look like 10,000 donors total with most at $5, a chunk at $15, and a small high tier at $50. For example: 7,000 at $5 ($35k) + 2,500 at $15 ($37.5k) + 500 at $50 ($25k) = $97.5k, then ~25 “whales” at $100 adds $2.5k to land right on $100k. If you believe the scene skews more whale-heavy, you could be closer to 3,000–4,000 donors averaging ~$25–$35 instead.

[bcbrown]

They talked about it in the weekly Q&As on youtube that they did man, they were very open about it. Don't ask me to watch litreally 50s of hours of Q&As with them to find it.

But just rest assured

between 3 months they went from 0 to 30k subs, a discord with 25k active users (actively posting 24 hrs a day) and said that those numbers matched the server traffic.

At any given time you could be in the bazaar and there were over 1000 people not AFK distributed among 20 instances.

I thought you said it was referenced in a court filing. I was curious but not curious enough to try to find the court filings.

[shovelquest]

court filing says that they had 30k users.

They broke down what that meant on a live stream Q&A.

[bcbrown]

Not daily-active users or monthly-active users but total user accounts?

[cd288]

Not daily-active users or monthly-active users but total user accounts?

Correct lol

[shovelquest]

they said that on any given day those users would log in they said there about 5k dead accounts they said that it takes about that many to keep a server population around 4k dailiy, which is what it was on THJ.

Im not saying there were 30k people online all the time, never did, i said that there were that many (give or take 5k) people who were "ACTIVE CONCURRENT" players. That meant would log in within 1 or 2 days regularly.

They explained this all in detail.

Idk why CD is so mad.

[shovelquest]

*shit i mean, that it takes that many concurrent players, to make 5k active ones.

Thats what they said anyway.

[shovelquest]

Project 1999s number was not active, or concurrent, it was peak.

They peaked once, meeting what THJ was averaging.

Hope this helps.

[bcbrown]

they said that on any given day those users would log in they said there about 5k dead accounts they said that it takes about that many to keep a server population around 4k dailiy, which is what it was on THJ.

Im not saying there were 30k people online all the time, never did, i said that there were that many (give or take 5k) people who were "ACTIVE CONCURRENT" players. That meant would log in within 1 or 2 days regularly.

They explained this all in detail.

Idk why CD is so mad.

"Active concurrent" doesn't usually mean "log in every other day". The 4k figure you reference is what I would call "active concurrent".

That's why CD is mad. Because you're using nonstandard terminology.

So... 30k total accounts, 24k "active" accounts which is probably a MAU figure. 3-4k peak concurrent population.

[shovelquest]

yeah idk the correct terms I was just using my best memory of what they were talking about it when i was just kind of paying attention, but it's certanly an impressive number.

It definitely felt more populated than the mischief or even teak. Like, it was astonishing how many people were online.

The irony that it was basically a solo version of EQ.

[atomicpaul]

i solo'd the sleeper a buncha times and damn near killed zeb once solo, that's enough. i think i laid my teenager past-self to rest. he dead.

thank you, thj. you killed a lot of emus but you did so in an epic, comedy fashion. as a professional troll, respect is due where it's due.

[shovelquest]

Awe man why didn't we play together atomic! I would have loved to kill zeb with you.

[Duik]

THJ is dead.
I hope this helps.

[cd288]

and they had 20k average users online at once in their discord 24 hrs a day.

P99 has thousands of people online in its Discord per day. Do several thousand people log into P99 every day? No lol.

I mean, just try to break down the $100k a month for crying out loud! Im gonna ask AI (at the risk of you thinking AI is always wrong and fake and auto disqualifying it)

But it says that breaks down to 10,000 monthly donators. That's 10,000 people playing so much they donate!

This is an odd example to try and use. Because you can make up whatever scenario for numbers that you want. For example, you could have 1,000 people donating $100 dollars each and get to the $100,000. Your example is completely made up and meaningless lol.

But since you like AI so much and think it's the truth, let's cite some AI responses on a couple of things:

- "During its peak, the EverQuest emulator server The Heroes' Journey (THJ) saw an average player count of 1,713"
- As of October 2025, there is no public proof that the EverQuest emulator The Heroes' Journey (THJ) ever had 30,000 daily active users.

So is AI accurate? Or only when you want to use it to make up some made up donation scenario?

Shovel is clinging to this 30,000 daily users thing because he's desperate to paint Daybreak as the bad guy, and he thinks that if Daybreak shut down the server solely because of daily users then it makes them look like bigger assholes. He doesn't want to accept that the primary reason that he can no longer play on THJ is because the people who started the server (who he idolizes for some reason) decided to grift players and monetize the server. If they hadn't done that, THJ would probably exist in some form today.

It sucks that you can't play on the server you liked. If P99 got shut down I'm sure we'd all be upset too. But you're directing your ire at the wrong people; you should be directing it at the people who ran THJ who decided to make money off you. In any case, no one here really cares much that THJ was shut down, so why are you on P99 forums ranting about it?

Why don't you go talk about it on the THJ Discord???

[shovelquest]

Why don't you go talk about it on the THJ Discord???

Because you keep posting about THJ so I reply.

[shovelquest]

So is AI accurate? Or only when you want to use it to make up some made up donation scenario?

No I asked it for an estimate, and gave the full answer, so you could use your human brain to make your own estimate.

100k a month clearly is substantial. That means P99 was making at least half that. I know I donated 10x more to them than I did THJ.

[shovelquest]

Shovel is clinging to this 30,000 daily users thing because he's desperate to paint Daybreak as the bad guy, and he thinks that if Daybreak shut down the server solely because of daily users then it makes them look like bigger assholes. He doesn't want to accept that the primary reason that he can no longer play on THJ is because the people who started the server (who he idolizes for some reason) decided to grift players and monetize the server. If they hadn't done that, THJ would probably exist in some form today.

"whY doNt YoU PoSt In TGhE THj DisCoRD?"

Because you literally call me out in this forum you dork.

I literally said that there are 3-5k users online at any given time on THJ.

That takes like 30k users to maintain. You just can't get that through your FAT head.

[shovelquest]

100k a month clearly is substantial. That means P99 was making at least half that. I know I donated 10x more to them than I did THJ.

(I meant its half of that if your theory about P99s population ever was higher than THJs which you seem to be insisting).

[shovelquest]

CD lets just take this to DMs.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

yeah idk the correct terms I was just using my best memory of what they were talking about it when i was just kind of paying attention, but it's certanly an impressive number.

It definitely felt more populated than the mischief or even teak. Like, it was astonishing how many people were online.

The irony that it was basically a solo version of EQ.

I'd call it tragic, not ironic.

It's basically proof that at long last, no one really likes or has time for the entire social premise behind MMORPG's and before that, DnD itself, and if given a choice they will just fuck around with soloable versions of said worlds.

Shovelquest is a one-man billboard "MMORPG's are kickass when you remove the need for other people."

None of this is ironic. As I gaze upon humanity, I say it is predictable.

[shovelquest]

I'd call it tragic, not ironic.

It's basically proof that at long last, no one really likes or has time for the entire social premise behind MMORPG's and before that, DnD itself, and if given a choice they will just fuck around with soloable versions of said worlds.

Shovelquest is a one-man billboard "MMORPG's are kickass when you remove the need for other people."

None of this is ironic. As I gaze upon humanity, I say it is predictable.

Am I? because Ive played project 1999 for like 10 years. Why do you think Project 1999 "removes the need for other people."

?

[loramin]

Shovelquest is a one-man billboard "MMORPG's are kickass when you remove the need for other people."

Am I?

I think roughly 112% of your posts for the past month or so have been about a MMOG that removed the need for other people.

[cd288]

(I meant its half of that if your theory about P99s population ever was higher than THJs which you seem to be insisting).

You must literally have issues because in no post did I ever say that lol. I legit think you have a learning disability (and to be clear, I don't mean that as an insult, you just literally seem unable to understand words and statements).

[cd288]

"whY doNt YoU PoSt In TGhE THj DisCoRD?"

Because you literally call me out in this forum you dork.

I literally said that there are 3-5k users online at any given time on THJ.

That takes like 30k users to maintain. You just can't get that through your FAT head.

Buddy, you started ranting about THJ long before I began engaging with you about it. And you would continue to post about it whether I posted about THJ or not (as can be seen from several days back).

Or is the actual reason that you're posting about it here because there are no more THJ forums/discord to post in because it got shut down since it's owners were greedy assholes who were grifting people and monetizing someone else's IP illegally? :D

[cd288]

I think roughly 112% of your posts for the past month or so have been about a MMOG that removed the need for other people.

Careful Loramin he's going to send you some weird AI analysis about your reply

[kjs86z2]

shovel the thj shut in

[shovelquest]

Buddy, you started ranting about THJ long before I began engaging with you about it. And you would continue to post about it whether I posted about THJ or not (as can be seen from several days back).

Or is the actual reason that you're posting about it here because there are no more THJ forums/discord to post in because it got shut down since it's owners were greedy assholes who were grifting people and monetizing someone else's IP illegally? :D

our relationship began when you said good riddence, and i said, no give them a job!

Thats how this all started freko.

I saiiiid. Take it to DMs nobody cares but u and i.

[shovelquest]

I think roughly 112% of your posts for the past month or so have been about a MMOG that removed the need for other people.

Sorry that i am capable of enjoyhing multiple things loser.

id say 112% would be about AI but since you just like to argue with people for the sake of it, nice math.

[Ekco]

It's basically proof that at long last, no one really likes or has time for the entire social premise behind MMORPG's and before that, DnD itself, and if given a choice they will just fuck around with soloable versions of said worlds.


due to reduced attention spans and smart phones DnD in person became more an exercise in restraining oneself to not reach over the table to strangle a mother fucker for going "huh, oh my turn? what's going on".

classic eq had the best balance of streamlining that shit away while still having meaningful downtime and socializing and then the genre at some point turned into mashing and cycling f1 - f10 and watching dps meters and min/maxing which inevitably leads to people soloing or boxing instead of socializing and relying on/with random other people.

so it's mostly just the vast majority of people playing wrong is my point i guess.

[shovelquest]

You must literally have issues because in no post did I ever say that lol. I legit think you have a learning disability (and to be clear, I don't mean that as an insult, you just literally seem unable to understand words and statements).

You litreally argued that P99 and Quarm had just as many users as P99 that is the point of this entire conversation.

The one thing I think that goes against the population argument is that when Green launched there were over 2,000 people on the server and Daybreak didn't try to pull any shenanigans to try to revoke the agreement. Quarm has had a lot of people on it too.

[shovelquest]

*FUCK


THJ ( i have to clarify that because captain autismo's loramin would be like)

"well actually P99 does have the same number of users as p99 so check mate. "

[loramin]

*FUCK


THJ ( i have to clarify that because captain autismo's loramin would be like)

"well actually P99 does have the same number of users as p99 so check mate. "

I think you're confusing the (many) people who disagree with you about different things. I've said nothing about whatever population argument y'all have been having, because I don't give a crap about it.

But sure, call me "captain autismo" and make up nonsense I never said: your posts are clearly winning people over to your side.

[shovelquest]

First of all Lorain, if there is ANY thread about a disagreement, you have the same # of posts and antagonistic arguments in every single one of them.

Second of all, what do you disagree with me about?

I say: That the number of users on THJ is why the lawsuit was filed?

The argument against that is:

That they could have pulled ALL those people from Live, and not taken donations, and would be ironclad not be shut down by THJ?

You think that? You actually think that?

[shovelquest]

I think you're confusing the (many) people who disagree with you about different things. I've said nothing about whatever population argument y'all have been having, because I don't give a crap about it.

But sure, call me "captain autismo" and make up nonsense I never said: your posts are clearly winning people over to your side.

You do realize I didnt make up anything you said.

I said you were captain autismo and would call that out if I didn't point it out myself.

So now who's making up nonsense that I never said?

[cd288]

You litreally argued that P99 and Quarm had just as many users as P99 that is the point of this entire conversation.

it's weird that you quoted that specific sentence because, yet again, nowhere in that sentence did I say THJ and P99 had the same amount of users.

I said what goes against the argument that Daybreak was specifically concerned about THJ having thousands of people on it is that they don't care about other emulators with thousands of people on them, as long as you don't try to monetize the server. Again, you have a disability if you read what I said and think I said THJ and P99 have the same number of users lol.

But at any rate, you say you're only ranting about THJ because I'm talking to you about it. So how about this, right now we both stop talking about THJ. That means a 100% stop. You don't talk to anyone else about THJ, you don't make whiney posts about THJ, etc. If you agree, let me know and we both stop right now.

[shovelquest]

it's weird that you quoted that specific sentence because, yet again, nowhere in that sentence did I say THJ and P99 had the same amount of users.

I said what goes against the argument that Daybreak was specifically concerned about THJ having thousands of people on it is that they don't care about other emulators with thousands of people on them, as long as you don't try to monetize the server. Again, you have a disability if you read what I said and think I said THJ and P99 have the same number of users lol.

But at any rate, you say you're only ranting about THJ because I'm talking to you about it. So how about this, right now we both stop talking about THJ. That means a 100% stop. You don't talk to anyone else about THJ, you don't make whiney posts about THJ, etc. If you agree, let me know and we both stop right now.

You’re literally saying it right there you’re literally saying why would they care about THJ the rumors that they had more users and other emulators is just rumors and not true they don’t care about all these other ones that have the same number of users is THJ


It’s not weird those servers have way way way way way way way less of an impact on the live community, because Thj had more users.

It’s not weird. It’s not strange. It’s incredibly obvious unless you believe the THJ’s numbers were about the same as P 99s or quarms.

You even phrased it as evidence of a counter argument against the claim daybreak made against THJ about the number of users that they had.

[shovelquest]

And now you can stop.

[cd288]

And now you can stop.

So am I to take this as you agreeing that you will not post about THJ anymore on P99 forums? If so, you and I have a deal.

[shovelquest]

So am I to take this as you agreeing that you will not post about THJ anymore on P99 forums? If so, you and I have a deal.

I don't want to say it so artistically, but yeah shut up.

[cd288]

I don't want to say it so artistically, but yeah shut up.

Ok awesome! Glad we were able to come to an agreement here.


To the rest of the users on these forums: I will accept your thanks in the form of praise and/or in game gifts of items/platinum.

[loramin]

You do realize I didnt make up anything you said.

I said you were captain autismo and would call that out if I didn't point it out myself.

So now who's making up nonsense that I never said?

It's right there in the quote ... in the very post you're responding to:
*FUCK


THJ ( i have to clarify that because captain autismo's loramin would be like)

"well actually P99 does have the same number of users as p99 so check mate. "

You're at the very least implying that I somehow give a shit about the number of players on THJ, and that I would say something about it. But again, I don't give a shit, and have said nothing in this 32-page thread to indicate that I do.

[sammoHung]

due to reduced attention spans and smart phones DnD in person became more an exercise in restraining oneself to not reach over the table to strangle a mother fucker for going "huh, oh my turn? what's going on".


dude its a weekly struggle in my DnD group. Every Friday we play from 7pm - 11pm. Every Friday, like clockwork, between 1-3 party members are on their phones the entire time.

last week I had enough and kinda snapped at my friend because he was scrolling Instagram mid-session... while the DM was explaining the area we entered. its actually really depressing to see.

[loramin]

dude its a weekly struggle in my DnD group. Every Friday we play from 7pm - 11pm. Every Friday, like clockwork, between 1-3 party members are on their phones the entire time.

last week I had enough and kinda snapped at my friend because he was scrolling Instagram mid-session... while the DM was explaining the area we entered. its actually really depressing to see.

I definitely miss the days before cellphones when it comes to gaming. I had a 12-person group in college, and I was the only GM, so sometimes things took a lot longer than in a normal-sized game. If I ran it today, I'm sure (at least) 9 of the 12 would be on their phones.

But back then people chatted, ate, knitted, painted (minis), etc. If the socializing distracted someone too much when their turn came around, the more active players would just remind them what's going on ("you need to kill that gnoll next to you") and play would continue with barely any delay.

It was chaotic, but I have so many happy memories of that chaos :) It's a little sad to think most modern tables will never experience it.

[shovelquest]

It's right there in the quote ... in the very post you're responding to:


You're at the very least implying that I somehow give a shit about the number of players on THJ, and that I would say something about it. But again, I don't give a shit, and have said nothing in this 32-page thread to indicate that I do.

I was making a joke, that you would notice that I typed "P99 has the same number of users as P99" and then accuse me of being wrong, because there are indeed the same number of users on P99, as there is on P99.

And I was ribbing you, because you are the kind of person to call me out for stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the point of my argument. And it wasa just a fucking joke, captain-A so please.

Idk if im allowed to respond to your posts ITT anymore, you have to ask CD (who is also not allowed to respond to posts ITT unless they are not related to one specific topic? Can we get a ruling on what i can or can't post, ooh great and holy high and mighty CD?)

[shovelquest]

dude its a weekly struggle in my DnD group. Every Friday we play from 7pm - 11pm. Every Friday, like clockwork, between 1-3 party members are on their phones the entire time.

last week I had enough and kinda snapped at my friend because he was scrolling Instagram mid-session... while the DM was explaining the area we entered. its actually really depressing to see.

I have a hard time not fast forwarding love scenes in action movies and idk if that's because love scenes shouldn't be in action movies (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MwJt9qqNKwc), or ibecause youtube has rotted my attention span.

(CD am I allowed to respond to this?)

[loramin]

I was making a joke, that you would notice that I typed "P99 has the same number of users as P99" and then accuse me of being wrong, because there are indeed the same number of users on P99, as there is on P99.

And I was ribbing you, because you are the kind of person to call me out for stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the point of my argument. And it wasa just a fucking joke, captain-A so please.

Idk if im allowed to respond to your posts ITT anymore, you have to ask CD (who is also not allowed to respond to posts ITT unless they are not related to one specific topic? Can we get a ruling on what i can or can't post, ooh great and holy high and mighty CD?)

/shrug I think it would have been a funnier joke if it had actually been about something I cared about, or about a person who did actually care about this population thing (which I refuse to read back through the past posts to even understand, because again ... I don't give a shit).

[cd288]

Thanks for asking shovel. I think that since the content of your replies aren't about THJ but simply arguing with Loramin in general, it's allowable

[shovelquest]

/shrug I think it would have been a funnier joke if it had actually been about something I cared about, or about a person who did actually care about this population thing (which I refuse to read back through the past posts to even understand, because again ... I don't give a shit).

it was meant specifically to be about someone who didn't care about those things pointing out and starting an argument about something totally irrelevant to the point.

https://i.imgur.com/pAuDjFY.png

[loramin]

it was meant specifically to be about someone who didn't care about those things pointing out and starting an argument about something totally irrelevant to the point.

https://i.imgur.com/pAuDjFY.png

Sure :rolleyes:

[shovelquest]

You know, like you’re doing right now?!

[atomicpaul]

I have a hard time not fast forwarding love scenes in action movies and idk if that's because love scenes shouldn't be in action movies (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MwJt9qqNKwc), or ibecause youtube has rotted my attention span.

(CD am I allowed to respond to this?)what about action scenes in love movies? remember that part in blast from the past when brendan fraser knocks out that dude in the bar?

[shovelquest]

what about action scenes in love movies?

You mean like phantom menace? :D

[DanielStula]

I believe that the charm of classic MMORPGs like Everquest lies in their ability to foster genuine community and nostalgia. But if we have access to perfectly emulated servers, does that diminish our appreciation for the original experience? Are we simply chasing ghosts of our past, or can these servers truly recreate the magic of being a newbie in Norrath?

[atomicpaul]

chasing ghosts of my pasts, def. whatever is most likely to make you stfu

[Losian]

Y'know, I'll bite.. only because I've said it elsewhere.

Anyone cheering this on is pretty silly - emulation is or is not legal. DBG is mad because someone else took something they could've done *anything* with for years and years and blew them out of the water.

If THJ was illegal then every single other emulation server always has been - monetization is irrelevant for a simple reason: emulation isn't illegal.

It's not hard to understand, nobody is "using their IP".

Emulation is taking chess pieces and a chess board, which you have a legal right to have, and making up your own rules. If DBG is stupid enough to give away all their pieces for free, and they do, then that's on them. That's it. If I choose to sell my rules, which are custom and entirely of my creation, and you buy my rules AND obtain a chess set, then you can combine the two. That's not illegal. If a company was dumb enough to give away free chess sets then that's on them to have such poor foresight.

There is no such thing as "the everquest experience" in terms of how the game has to be enjoyed or experienced - if there were then half the live players should be sued for powerleveling, leveling too fast, too slow, or whatever else. The concept if there being some specific, legally enforceable way to "experience" a game is asinine.

If you genuinely think emulation is wrong then fine, go ahead and lobby to change laws that have enabled it for years - we have a legal right to have and backup files on our computer that we have legal access to, and it's the only reason many games exist or have been able to be preserved. If you have a .png on your computer you're allowed to have then I can't be sued for pointing a program at where that .png would be if you have it, else file explorers and Blender and all that would be illegal just the same.

Was the monetization questionable and kinda sleazy? Absolutely, no question. But that in and of itself is a short-sighted reason to look at this as black and white. EQ as an IP has sat stagnant for how long? I think the real undertone here is embarrassment, a positively droll and overdone TLP being completely overshadowed by a tiny team and a neat idea. It shows what we could have all these years if DBG put any effort in whatsoever..

And, further, THJ did not even one single thing that other servers haven't done - modifying source, pointing to assets, allowing 'donations' for in-game stuff, etc. It's all been done without question.

The only difference is the measure of success.. So is it illegal to do well?

[Xathos53]

You might not have noticed that a federal judge, using the established laws of this nation, disagreed with you.

[sammoHung]

The only difference is the measure of success.. So is it illegal to do well?

Oh enough, THJ Symp.

They were making $100k a month off of "donations" for Pay-2-Win items in game.

So tell your story elsewhere.

[Dogz]

THJ was such an amazing experience

[Tann]

THJ cock slurping noises

I was about to type "is shovelquest posting on an alt account?" but then I saw he was banned :(

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You might not have noticed that a federal judge, using the established laws of this nation, disagreed with you.

That's old think, friend. Law is dead. And it is we ourselves who have killed it.

[BradZax]

Y'know, I'll bite.. only because I've said it elsewhere.

Anyone cheering this on is pretty silly - emulation is or is not legal. DBG is mad because someone else took something they could've done *anything* with for years and years and blew them out of the water.

If THJ was illegal then every single other emulation server always has been - monetization is irrelevant for a simple reason: emulation isn't illegal.

It's not hard to understand, nobody is "using their IP".

Emulation is taking chess pieces and a chess board, which you have a legal right to have, and making up your own rules. If DBG is stupid enough to give away all their pieces for free, and they do, then that's on them. That's it. If I choose to sell my rules, which are custom and entirely of my creation, and you buy my rules AND obtain a chess set, then you can combine the two. That's not illegal. If a company was dumb enough to give away free chess sets then that's on them to have such poor foresight.

There is no such thing as "the everquest experience" in terms of how the game has to be enjoyed or experienced - if there were then half the live players should be sued for powerleveling, leveling too fast, too slow, or whatever else. The concept if there being some specific, legally enforceable way to "experience" a game is asinine.

If you genuinely think emulation is wrong then fine, go ahead and lobby to change laws that have enabled it for years - we have a legal right to have and backup files on our computer that we have legal access to, and it's the only reason many games exist or have been able to be preserved. If you have a .png on your computer you're allowed to have then I can't be sued for pointing a program at where that .png would be if you have it, else file explorers and Blender and all that would be illegal just the same.

Was the monetization questionable and kinda sleazy? Absolutely, no question. But that in and of itself is a short-sighted reason to look at this as black and white. EQ as an IP has sat stagnant for how long? I think the real undertone here is embarrassment, a positively droll and overdone TLP being completely overshadowed by a tiny team and a neat idea. It shows what we could have all these years if DBG put any effort in whatsoever..

And, further, THJ did not even one single thing that other servers haven't done - modifying source, pointing to assets, allowing 'donations' for in-game stuff, etc. It's all been done without question.

The only difference is the measure of success.. So is it illegal to do well?

based and right.

[BradZax]

Oh enough, THJ Symp.

They were making $100k a month off of "donations" for Pay-2-Win items in game.

So tell your story elsewhere.

You are RE tarded with a capital REEEEE.

[BradZax]

THJ was such an amazing experience

[Eternius00]

I hope the THJ dudes get sued into oblivion. Thieves can get whatever happens.

[BradZax]

This server was founded on theft.

[Dogz]

I hope the THJ dudes get sued into oblivion. Thieves can get whatever happens.

Lol. Wouldn't it be more in their interest to employ the Devs and take control of the thj server to create revenue to improve EverQuest

[Reiwa]

That's old think, friend. Law is dead. And it is we ourselves who have killed it.

THJ mods should be given letters of marque.

[Swish]

THJ was fun for a few sessions.

[Ekco]

it was fun right up until the second i unlocked Luclin, uninstalled that shit like 5 minutes later

[Swish]

it was fun right up until the second i unlocked Luclin, uninstalled that shit like 5 minutes later

understandable

[Cecily]

This server was founded on theft.
Hmm that's interesting. What happened to your last account?

[BradZax]

Didn't you get upset at the price of a nintendo game a few days ago?

[Cecily]

Bold of you to assume I remember my shit posts.

[BradZax]

Straight to JAIL

https://genesismodlist.com/donate/

They’re making a fool of our beloved corporations!

YbUKnp7rkCY

[OriginalContentGuy]

The video says you need the Steam version of the base game and its DLC. Can you even purchase it without a third-party platform like Steam? I haven't played Starfield, but Genesis mod looks unbelievable. And I would definitely buy Starfield to try a mod for it if it's really that good.

[Ekco]

Modding a single-player game is fundamentally the same as running a competing emulated MMORPG project that features a cash shop with gambling mechanics for cosmetic loot boxes.

basically.

[BradZax]

Modding a single-player game is fundamentally the same as running a competing emulated MMORPG project that features a cash shop with gambling mechanics for cosmetic loot boxes.

basically.

cry about it, corpo.

[OriginalContentGuy]

You're both correct. But in another, more accurate way, Ekco is correct.

[BradZax]

No its not correct, you can't use someone's IP if it's not an MMO.

I am correct, it is cyber punk dystopia and ekco is a corpo.

[OriginalContentGuy]

This isn't an argument shovelquest Bradzax.

[BradZax]

Shouldn't you be in jail for partaking in an EMU community.

[OriginalContentGuy]

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[Ekco]

No its not correct, you can't use someone's IP if it's not an MMO.

I am correct, it is cyber punk dystopia and ekco is a corpo.

I did pick corpo in cyberpunk and was pretty pissed when Arasaka fired me 5 minutes into the game

lazy commie writers

And if modding was illegal pretty sure todd howard would have done something about it, they couldn't even get that mod store up and running to force people to pay, the gooners and furies revolted.

THJ users just didn't try hard enough

[sammoHung]

Glad to see Shovel is back as BradZax, the boards were quiet without his posting every 10 minutes

[BradZax]

white people like to take dumps on everything they love so they can sound smart online.

[OriginalContentGuy]

So we should call you BradXlax?

[Ekco]

white people like to take dumps on everything they love so they can sound smart online.

shit where you eat
eat where you shit

[BradZax]

So we should call you BradXlax?

Why? I don’t get the reference.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Simmer down X-lax

[BradZax]

Simmer down X-lax

Is this a reference to something, or a joke? I don't get it.

[Duik]

Is this a reference to something, or a joke? I don't get it.

Yes. He was a joke.

[BradZax]

Who is he?

[Reiwa]

Is this a reference to something, or a joke? I don't get it.

xxPRocenI1s

[cd288]

Who is he?

Alright Shovel you don't need to spam the thread trying to pretend like it's not you. Just move on.

[BradZax]

Alright Shovel you don't need to spam the thread trying to pretend like it's not you. Just move on.

What thread?

[Bisonzabi]

Don't worry, one day the leftover geriatrics on EQLive will eventually pass away, the game will shut down and then be lifted back up by the emulation community who'll do whatever they want with it.

[BradZax]

Don't worry, one day the leftover geriatrics on EQLive will eventually pass away, the game will shut down and then be lifted back up by the emulation community who'll do whatever they want with it.

Everquest themed retirement homes? :cool:

[Swish]

"Give me back my fungi tunic"
"I gave it back to you the other day"
"You gave what back the other day?"
"Your fungi tunic"
"I don't have a fungi tunic"

[Irespectwomen]

I wonder if Akkadius will get indicted into this lawsuit, he stepped into the crosshairs giving a statement on behalf of the defense even though he redacted it. The only thing happening that really confuses me is the court is allowing the defense to seek arbitration because of DBG's TOS. How the fuck can you bind someone to a clause of a contract when that contract is shit on and disregarded by the other party.

Other than that the trial has gone as expected and THJ had no defense for their destruction of EQEmu, not only that but there is a very funny part in the transcript on how much THJ has earned with their illegal business venture DBG claimed 100,000 a month and that the judge should consider that when instating the bond. Later while THJ's lawyer was arguing the allegation that THJ directly caused the Fangbreaker he omitted that THJ had been making 20,000 a week long before fangbreaker was released so therefore there was never this sudden influx of players during the timeline LOL.

They're even more fucked than I thought. I wonder what the damages will be valued at, I could see 5-10 million easily and I can also see DBG digging deep into the conspiracy to bring in people who contributed to maximize their realistic payout.

[Duik]

People just forgot that the EMU and especially P99 was
A: just for those that have an original copy of the applicable client/s.
B: For people to relive original EQ that live could not supply.
C: TO NOT TO SHIT ON THE EMU COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE FOR PROFIT.

One of these statements is the single most important.

Im sure they (DBG whoever..) knew that not all peeps had a disc version of EQ.
I am sure.
But nobody had made (obvious) bank serving it.
THJ did. Fucking fucktards. Sorry, its true.

So while I dont applaude corps doing corp things, I hate ir more when people shit in my shared sandbox.
No matter how much "Value Adding" they feel they have made.

[Tann]

TO NOT TO SHIT ON THE EMU COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE FOR PROFIT.


"The real shit is the mountains of cash we made along the way" - Aporia

[BradZax]

Fuck that.

There is a fucking donation button on the front fucking page of this website.

[Tann]

Fuck that.

There is a fucking donation button on the front fucking page of this website.

do you get in-game "thank you gifts" for donating here that further incentivize people to hit that donate button? No!!! so fuck off then with that noise

[BradZax]

First of all a thank you is not enough to predatorially incentivize people. And to suggest that's what they were doing is conspiratorial and based on imaginary trauma not reality.

There’s nothing inherently wrong or immoral about donating to a game and receiving something in return. There’s no rule, legal or ethical, that says a donation stops being a donation the moment a trivial in game digital reward is involved.

Disliking that model doesn’t make it invalid, and it doesn’t prove anything beyond personal preference.

A lot of this reaction feels less like principle and more like leftover frustration from pay-to-win mobile games being projected onto a completely different situation.

What’s stranger is how quick people are to shut down transparent indie developers who are openly trying to fund their work and build something sustainable.

[Reiwa]

First of all a thank you is not enough to predatorially incentivize people. And to suggest that's what they were doing is conspiratorial and based on imaginary trauma not reality.

There’s nothing inherently wrong or immoral about donating to a game and receiving something in return. There’s no rule, legal or ethical, that says a donation stops being a donation the moment a trivial in game digital reward is involved.

Disliking that model doesn’t make it invalid, and it doesn’t prove anything beyond personal preference.

A lot of this reaction feels less like principle and more like leftover frustration from pay-to-win mobile games being projected onto a completely different situation.

What’s stranger is how quick people are to shut down transparent indie developers who are openly trying to fund their work and build something sustainable.

Honorariums are the way of things in much of the world. There's a good deal of western chauvinism at play in the THJ controversy.

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[Irespectwomen]

People just forgot that the EMU and especially P99 was

C: TO NOT TO SHIT ON THE EMU COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE FOR PROFIT.



Exactly, Aporia and team ruined it for everybody. I don't know a word in the english language that accurately represents how selfish and disrespectful you have to be to do what they've done. This doesn't even have anything to do with muh corporatocracy bullshit, they destroyed a niche gaming community with the prior intention of using us as a shield because they knew what they were doing was overtly illegal.

They aren't fighting some big megalithic corporation that negatively impacts society, they're fighting a small business that allow(ed)s us to use their product how we wanted for free.

It is a small consolation that them and every moron who helped them is fucked.

[Irespectwomen]

First of all a thank you is not enough to predatorially incentivize people. And to suggest that's what they were doing is conspiratorial and based on imaginary trauma not reality.

There’s nothing inherently wrong or immoral about donating to a game and receiving something in return. There’s no rule, legal or ethical, that says a donation stops being a donation the moment a trivial in game digital reward is involved.

Disliking that model doesn’t make it invalid, and it doesn’t prove anything beyond personal preference.

A lot of this reaction feels less like principle and more like leftover frustration from pay-to-win mobile games being projected onto a completely different situation.

What’s stranger is how quick people are to shut down transparent indie developers who are openly trying to fund their work and build something sustainable.

Lmao, you're so lost. Life must be really confusing for you.

[Cecily]

do you get in-game "thank you gifts" for donating here that further incentivize people to hit that donate button? No!!! so fuck off then with that noise
There's a joke here but I kinda like having never been permabanned, somehow.

[BradZax]

Lmao, you're so lost. Life must be really confusing for you.

The only thing confusing is why are you here?

[BradZax]

Exactly, Aporia and team ruined it for everybody. I don't know a word in the english language that accurately represents how selfish and disrespectful you have to be to do what they've done. This doesn't even have anything to do with muh corporatocracy bullshit, they destroyed a niche gaming community with the prior intention of using us as a shield because they knew what they were doing was overtly illegal.

They aren't fighting some big megalithic corporation that negatively impacts society, they're fighting a small business that allow(ed)s us to use their product how we wanted for free.

It is a small consolation that them and every moron who helped them is fucked.

They didn't ruin anything for anyone quit with your victimization.

[Irespectwomen]

They didn't ruin anything for anyone quit with your victimization.

Ah the old pretending to be retarded trick. Y-you are pretending right??

[BradZax]

How does you being a victim make me retarded?

[Duik]

Hey BradSux, you prolly should do a lil reading about what the emu is and isnt allowed to do.
Even before the official recent "you and cant do" order from DBG there were definate guidelines any intelligent person would have known that

A: monetizing another entities Inellectual Property will likely piss them off.
B: drawing attention to yourselves by advertising how fucking much you make is possibly the dumbest idea in the history if bad ideas.
C: even though the ideas thj *may have been* great ideas. They simply were not allowed to do it or charge money for it.
D: Cry more.
DBG do not appear to have any fucks to give about what we want EverQuest to become or can become.
E: see D above.

[Reiwa]

Hey BradSux, you prolly should do a lil reading about what the emu is and isnt allowed to do.
Even before the official recent "you and cant do" order from DBG there were definate guidelines any intelligent person would have known that

A: monetizing another entities Inellectual Property will likely piss them off.
B: drawing attention to yourselves by advertising how fucking much you make is possibly the dumbest idea in the history if bad ideas.
C: even though the ideas thj *may have been* great ideas. They simply were not allowed to do it or charge money for it.
D: Cry more.
DBG do not appear to have any fucks to give about what we want EverQuest to become or can become.
E: see D above.

It wouldn't be considered noteworthy as misbehavior outside the Imperial core.

To a man in Albania or Iraq, THJ would not be seen as committing any wrong, but a providing a fun game to play with friends.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/530/196/61f.jpeg

[BradZax]

Hey BradSux, you prolly should do a lil reading about what the emu is and isnt allowed to do.
Even before the official recent "you and cant do" order from DBG there were definate guidelines any intelligent person would have known that

A: monetizing another entities Inellectual Property will likely piss them off.
B: drawing attention to yourselves by advertising how fucking much you make is possibly the dumbest idea in the history if bad ideas.
C: even though the ideas thj *may have been* great ideas. They simply were not allowed to do it or charge money for it.
D: Cry more.
DBG do not appear to have any fucks to give about what we want EverQuest to become or can become.
E: see D above.

"tHEre are RULES!"

Rule one: "will likely"

there was no "rule" and that's why it would have been better for gaming to handle it by shutting them down without the lawsuit.

The issue here is that you're over here talking about maximum enforcement of rules with extreme penalty to perpetrators.

Which I think is total bullshit because I know what you believe about applying maximum enforcement of rules to other more important issues.

There's a very clear hypocrisy of a handful of bleeding hearts over here who think that hitler should be in charge of online 90s retro gaming.

[Irespectwomen]

Thanks for clarifying that you were in fact not pretending.

[OriginalContentGuy]

The issue here is that you're over here talking about maximum enforcement of rules with extreme penalty to perpetrators.

Which I think is total bullshit because I know what you believe about applying maximum enforcement of rules to other more important issues.

There's a very clear hypocrisy of a handful of bleeding hearts over here who think that hitler should be in charge of online 90s retro gaming.

God help me but I'm gonna bat for Xlax on this one thing

The primary reason why the individual citizens of a country create a political structure is a subconscious wish or desire to perpetuate their own dependency relationship of childhood. Simply put, they want a human god to eliminate all risk from their life, pat them on the head, kiss their bruises, put a chicken on every dinner table, clothe their bodies, tuck them into bed at night, and tell them that everyhting will be alright when they wake up in the morning.

This public demand is incredible, so the human god, the politician, meets incredibility with incredibility by promising the world and delivering nothing. So who is the bigger liar? The public? or the 'godfather'? This public behavior is surrender born of fear, laziness, and expediency. The fear of failure is manifested in irresponsibility, and especially in delegating those personal responsibilities to others where success is uncertain or carries possible or created liabilities which the person is not prepared to accept. They want authority (root word - 'author') but they will not accept responsibility or liability.

Most people want to be able to subdue and/or kill other human beings which disturb their daily lives, but they do not want to have to cope with the moral and religious issues which such an overt act on their own part might raise. Therefore, they assign the dirty work to others (including their own children) so as to keep the blood off their hands. They rave about the humane treatment of animals and then sit down to a delicious hamburger from a whitewashed slaughterhouse down the street and out of sight. But even more hypocritical, they pay taxes to finance a professional association of hit men collectively called politicians, and then complain about corruption in government.

I feel like this is what he's getting at. Is this right, BradXlax?

[BradZax]

I feel like this is what he's getting at. Is this right, BradXlax?

yea pretty much.

https://i.imgur.com/gzkrkfS.png

[Irespectwomen]

That's very stupid but I see how that rhetoric happened. Civilization is broken, it is corrupted but it's not the product of civilization itself, our rule of law model is designed around the implication that self-destructive policies and ideas would be naturally eliminated, a self sharpening tool because who doesn't want a better future for their children.

What you have to realize is that a breakaway civilization has been festering for 100's of years, JFK called it the ruthless and monolithic conspiracy. They have amassed such a megalithic pool of resources that really couldn't be used to its full potential until now as technology has allowed such a force multiplier to truly bear this conspiracies fangs.

The rhetoric is correct in that this conspiracy relies on our rule of law model to keep its grip on humanity but it incorrectly assumes this is the natural order of things, that humans are self-destructive inherently. You are in the middle of a war, for your mind, body and soul, that is why we cannot legally differenciate the sexual abuse of children and a 17 y/o, outright executing the perpetrators of the former.

This is neither here nor there in this context though, yes it is true that you are being consumed and integrated into an all encompassing technocracy that will use a corrupted rule of law to impose on you superficial rules while the corporatocracy imposes the unpopular macro societal norms the fact is that THJ used our little community sandbox for their own selfish endeavor knowing that it would get shit in.

[BradZax]

Who is they exactly….

[OriginalContentGuy]

Who is they exactly….

If I may be so bold Giants: The Global Power Elite (https://www.sevenstories.com/books/4097-giants) by Peter Phillips might answer your question in detail.

[BradZax]

I actually asked AI and it said: Commies.


JFK called it the ruthless and monolithic conspiracy Who, or what, specifically, was he pointing to?

The line comes from his April 27, 1961 speech to the American Newspaper Publishers Association (“The President and the Press”), where he’s arguing that a free press and a democracy are up against an adversary that can tightly control information and run intelligence/political operations in a coordinated way—he calls it “a tightly knit, highly efficient machine” https://www.jfklibrary.org/arch... (https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/american-newspaper-publishers-association-19610427)

He was talking about the Soviet-led communist bloc and what he saw as its global “system” for expanding influence during the Cold War, especially through covert methods (infiltration, subversion, intimidation, guerrillas), not about the CIA, Freemasons/Illuminati, “secret societies,” or some hidden group inside the U.S.

[Cecily]

Sorry you don't got triple class action IP theft lawsuit.

[Reiwa]

I actually asked AI and it said: Commies.


JFK called it the ruthless and monolithic conspiracy Who, or what, specifically, was he pointing to?

The line comes from his April 27, 1961 speech to the American Newspaper Publishers Association (“The President and the Press”), where he’s arguing that a free press and a democracy are up against an adversary that can tightly control information and run intelligence/political operations in a coordinated way—he calls it “a tightly knit, highly efficient machine” https://www.jfklibrary.org/arch... (https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/american-newspaper-publishers-association-19610427)

He was talking about the Soviet-led communist bloc and what he saw as its global “system” for expanding influence during the Cold War, especially through covert methods (infiltration, subversion, intimidation, guerrillas), not about the CIA, Freemasons/Illuminati, “secret societies,” or some hidden group inside the U.S.

The Council of Nine has ruled us faithfully for many a year now. (https://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/category/the-council-of-nine/)

The Council of Nine has ruled us faithfully for many a year now. We find peace in our lives, and vow not to harm another. There are still many factions that wish to return to the old ways, but the current council has opposed those ideas when in chamber.

[Irespectwomen]

I actually asked AI and it said: Commies.


JFK called it the ruthless and monolithic conspiracy Who, or what, specifically, was he pointing to?

The line comes from his April 27, 1961 speech to the American Newspaper Publishers Association (“The President and the Press”), where he’s arguing that a free press and a democracy are up against an adversary that can tightly control information and run intelligence/political operations in a coordinated way—he calls it “a tightly knit, highly efficient machine” https://www.jfklibrary.org/arch... (https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/american-newspaper-publishers-association-19610427)

He was talking about the Soviet-led communist bloc and what he saw as its global “system” for expanding influence during the Cold War, especially through covert methods (infiltration, subversion, intimidation, guerrillas), not about the CIA, Freemasons/Illuminati, “secret societies,” or some hidden group inside the U.S.

LOL. To be expected I guess from someone who thinks laws n shiet are literally Hitler.

I would have thought that the whole global psyop to force populations to "willingly" get injected with a "miraculous" and untested "vaccine" in response to a meme disease would be more eye opening on the mechanisms of society but here we are.

[Reiwa]

LOL. To be expected I guess from someone who thinks laws n shiet are literally Hitler.

The regime used intellectual property laws instrumentally.

Copyright served as a tool for controlling speech and propaganda.
(https://x.com/i/grok/share/761f596448c842fea4f1bda0ce066c46)

[BradZax]

LOL. To be expected I guess from someone who thinks laws n shiet are literally Hitler.

I would have thought that the whole global psyop to force populations to "willingly" get injected with a "miraculous" and untested "vaccine" in response to a meme disease would be more eye opening on the mechanisms of society but here we are.

Oh go have a big bowl of boiled cabbage.