Daybreak sues THJ

[Zumok]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.819107/gov.uscourts.casd.819107.14.0.pdf

Also Secrets Shuts down Quarm (RIP)\


lets discuss

[magnetaress]

Go play Agnarr or here. Case closed.

[Findlyn]

I think agnarr is great idea, except after awhile it needs a reboot or something. main reason i never tried agnarr was by the time i looked into it the population was non-existent

[kjs86z2]

restraining order app denied tho?

[magnetaress]

I think agnarr is great idea, except after awhile it needs a reboot or something. main reason i never tried agnarr was by the time i looked into it the population was non-existent

I blame the EMUs. Even Quarm hit Agnarr hard as much as I fully endorsed Quarm.

[shovelquest]

oops NM there is a thread in RNF (https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=441556)

https://i.imgur.com/EITJEvb.png

[Allishia]

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[Zuranthium]

How can you even sue any EQ emulator if the owner of the emulator simply keeps their irl identity secret.

[magnetaress]

It's Daybreaks parent company and the IP holder.

Agnarr was always a great server. Also consider Red.

[shovelquest]

I knew this was gonna happen when everyone hated on their latest TLP slop while thousands were having the time of their lives on THJ.

[magnetaress]

And THJ ARE the badguys here. They hurt the entire emu community by implementing a pay to win casino. And using the steam client.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

How can you even sue any EQ emulator if the owner of the emulator simply keeps their irl identity secret.

If you set up a store that was called "Target" and made it look/work exactly like the real Target, they could still shut that store down, even if you left the country and disappeared beforehand.

It wouldn't make sense that the fake "Target" store could continue to operate just because the owner couldn't be found.

[magnetaress]

Pay to win ingame casino and latest steam client.

THJ prayed on the EMU community and the hard work of others. Including emu devs and daybreak.

[Reiwa]

And THJ ARE the badguys here. They hurt the entire emu community by implementing a pay to win casino. And using the steam client.

Does DB have to pay carriage fees to Steam?

[shovelquest]

Pay to win ingame casino and latest steam client.

THJ prayed on the EMU community and the hard work of others. Including emu devs and daybreak.

Slander. Lies. Disgusting. Propaganda.

[magnetaress]

Does DB have to pay carriage fees to Steam?

Yes. Steam costs a lot and takes a very large percentage of sales to get published generally. So there are probably quite some substantial fees at least on daybreaks side.

[shovelquest]

And THJ ARE the badguys here. They hurt the entire emu community by implementing a pay to win casino. And using the steam client.

There is a donate button on the front of the p99 website.

[Reiwa]

Slander. Lies. Disgusting. Propaganda.

It's only propaganda if it's the government.

[shovelquest]

Magna confirmed glowie.

*gasps

[magnetaress]

Nothing THJ did looks good legally on paper. People will defend it. Butt it wasn't research or personal use that motivated THJ.

If they made a COSTCO gift shop and lottery even if their product was slightly dissimilar it'd still be bad af. And they pretty much just used stock EQ.

[kjs86z2]

There is a donate button on the front of the p99 website.

yeah but its not tied to any in-game perks / system

[kjs86z2]

How can you even sue any EQ emulator if the owner of the emulator simply keeps their irl identity secret.

you not very smaht, is you?

[shovelquest]

The lawsuit is over IP theft, not anything related to payments.

This is about THJs massive success.

It has literally 10x the active pop of their big TLP launch, and literally every video on youtube about Fangbreaker was: "Fangbreaker or THJ: The choice is obvious THJ"

This is the "harm" that is being claimed was done.

https://i.imgur.com/1hlgN8A.png

[Reiwa]

And THJ ARE the badguys here. They hurt the entire emu community by implementing a pay to win casino. And using the steam client.

A dissolute act of moral turpitude!

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

How can you even sue any EQ emulator if the owner of the emulator simply keeps their irl identity secret.

I remember seeing a bunch of WoW private emulated servers operating with impunity because they were based out of some remote offshore islands or something

[torriadore]

I figured this was coming at some point with the money-making model they had and the wet fart of a server Daybreak released this year.

[magnetaress]

There is a donate button on the front of the p99 website.

It's 100% entirely for keeping the servers powered and connected. None of that money goes to any dev. And none of that money had on game effects.

P99 is like funding a free digital archeological dig with the findings published to the public free of any charge.

And tbh. Since people do more than recreate the game here it's a little bit grey area.

THJ was like opening a park called Antonica where they rafled Firiona Vie outfits to the donors. And only G-d knows how their devs actually used the donations. I suspect some very sus motives.

This is exactly like those Minecraft servers that would prey on kids with micro transactions when u zoom out.

THJ BAD :mad:

THJ are 💯% to blame for any blowback against the EMU community, P99 and Quarm.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I don’t care because I don’t play, but I wouldn’t be talking too much smack about Daybreak on the off chance their staff ever check here (most likely as a guest)

Doesn’t matter the company, if the wrong person feels insulted they might try to retaliate in some way. No reason to poke the bear, so to speak

But again, I dun care bc it doesn’t effect me

[magnetaress]

The lawsuit is over IP theft, not anything related to payments.

This is about THJs massive success.

It has literally 10x the active pop of their big TLP launch, and literally every video on youtube about Fangbreaker was: "Fangbreaker or THJ: The choice is obvious THJ"

This is the "harm" that is being claimed was done.

https://i.imgur.com/1hlgN8A.png

That's just not true the lawsuit mentions the donations as thinly vieled fees right at the top.

Don't try to spin this shovelquest.

Bear no false witness!

[shovelquest]

yeah but its not tied to any in-game perks / system

Since they’re distributing or enabling copyrighted game assets/code, they are still infringing.

That's just not true the lawsuit mentions the donations as thinly vieled fees right at the top.

https://i.imgur.com/50J6fVT.png

This is over them being butt hurt every video about fangbreaker was about THJ being better in every way.

[magnetaress]

It's right in the introduction.


"The Heroes' Journey" ("THJ") that
brazenly copies Daybreak's copyrighted game content, circumvents Daybreak's
technological protection measures, dilutes Daybreak's famous EVERQUEST mark,
and generates revenue through a thinly-d isguised "donation" system. THJ requires
users to download and modify Daybreak's legitimate EverQuest client software, th


I can't screenshot pdf on this busted ass phone. Butt it's there in the same pdf u have.

In Christ's name. Don't be a little shit.

[Zuranthium]

If you set up a store that was called "Target" and made it look/work exactly like the real Target, they could still shut that store down, even if you left the country and disappeared beforehand.

Yeah but there's no way to punish the person who set up the store, if nobody knows who that is.

I remember seeing a bunch of WoW private emulated servers operating with impunity because they were based out of some remote offshore islands or something

Makes sense. Without any individual person to target, they have to be able to target the server itself to shut an emulator down.

[shovelquest]

It's right in the introduction.



I can't screenshot pdf on this busted ass phone. Butt it's there in the same pdf u have.

In Christ's name. Don't be a little shit.

Apparently search dont work on PDFs with web browsers.

But where in that text is P99 doing anything different?

It was the Fangbreaker flop, with THJs massive success, that triggered this.

They lost money on Fangbreaker, because people were playing THJ.

There's loads of videos on youtube about it.

That's what is "irreparable harm" as claimed in the suit.

If this was over the donation system, it would be “disgorgement of profits.”

You want to blame people, and not greedy corperations that just buy IPs and lock them down and fuck them up... blame the youtubers too while you're at it.

[Ephirith]

Daybreak is linked to a shady Russian oligarch's investment firm anyway, should sue their ass back for violating sanctions

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Seems similar to what WoW did before copying the Estralium or whatever that private server was

Step 1: shut down the private server through cease and desist

Step 2: copy it and release their own (this one became their official classic WoW server)

So it seems like the next logical step is for Daybreak to copy THJ and release a custom server of their own exactly like it?

[shovelquest]

EQ should be public domain at this point, they're the only ones doing anything good with it.

[shovelquest]

Ill bet you a million dollars everyone who works at daybreak has a character on THJ.

I'm sure even they are bummed about this.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah but there's no way to punish the person who set up the store, if nobody knows who that is.


The main purpose of the lawsuit(s) is to shut down the fake "Target" so it doesn't cause further damage to the real "Target". That will happen even if the person(s) to punish are not found or are dead.

[Ephirith]

On September 17, 2013, online music service Rhapsody International announced that it would accept a "significant" investment of an undisclosed amount from Columbus Nova Technology Partners.[3] At the same time, it was announced that Rhapsody president Jon Irwin would step down and the company would lay off some of its workers.[4]

Former senior managing partner Jason Epstein also owns Daybreak Game Company, Harmonix, the makers of Guitar Hero, whom he bought from Viacom in December 2010.[5][6]

In 2015, Columbus Nova made large investments in Chairman Benny Gantz's Fifth Dimension, a real time predictive analysis firm used by security agencies.[7] Fifth Dimension was founded in 2014 by deputy Chairman of the Board Doron Cohen.[7] Late in 2018, Fifth Dimension ceased its operations.[8]

In 2017, Mother Jones reported that Andrew Intrater donated $250,000 to Trump's inauguration fund and $35,000 to a joint fundraising committee for Trump's re-election and the Republican National Committee.[9]

Connection to Viktor Vekselberg and payments to Michael Cohen
According to The Washington Post, "Columbus Nova has been described in federal regulatory filings as an affiliate of the Renova Group, founded by Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg". The sanctioned Russian company Renova Group, itself controlled by Vekselberg, also subject to U.S. sanctions, has previously listed Columbus Nova as an affiliate investment manager under the Renova Group's umbrella.[10] Per regulations administered by the United States Department of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), companies that are at least 50% owned by sanctioned individuals or companies are themselves subject to U.S. sanctions.[11] Columbus Nova stated that, while Renova Group had been their largest client, they had never been part of Renova Group, and had been "100 percent owned by U.S. citizen" since its inception.[12][13]

On May 8, 2018, The New York Times reported that during 2017 Columbus Nova made payments of at least $500,000 to a bank account maintained by Michael Cohen, then acting as President Donald Trump's personal attorney.[14] However, the sanctions against Renova Group were not put in place until April 6, 2018,[15] so even if Columbus Nova were subject to sanctions due to its ownership structure, payments from Vekselberg to Donald Trump (via Cohen) would not have been expressly prohibited by OFAC at the time the payments were made.[16] Subsequent reporting by The New York Times noted that the Muller report did not name Intrater or Vekselberg and quoted Intrater as saying, "The fact that I’m not even mentioned in the Mueller report confirms what I knew all along — that I’ve done nothing wrong."[17]

As reported in The New York Times, on July 1, 2019, Intrater and his Columbus Nova entity sued the United States Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Asset Control (OFAC) claiming that OFAC's "50% rule" - whereby any property owned 50% or more by a sanctioned person is itself subject to sanctions also known as blocking - is unconstitutional as applied to Americans who have an interest in such property.[17] The New York Times article also noted that "If successful, the lawsuit could break new legal ground. Carlton Greene, a former senior Treasury official who worked in the office overseeing investigations into sanctions violations and is now a partner at Crowell & Moring, said past lawsuits had raised Fourth Amendment issues but none made it a central argument. "I think a Fourth Amendment argument for property blocked in the U.S., for a party with constitutional rights, is an argument that the government would have to take seriously," Greene said.[17]

[shovelquest]

Epstein

[kjs86z2]

Epstein

all the last names lol

[shovelquest]

Viktor Vekselberg

I am suing this guy on behalf of daybreak games for steeling velks lab's name.

[Ephirith]

They're running an underground child sex trafficking ring under my favorite classic MMO

/pizza

How deep does it go?

[shovelquest]

If you donate to THJ they send you a little kid in the mail.

[Reiwa]

I remember seeing a bunch of WoW private emulated servers operating with impunity because they were based out of some remote offshore islands or something

shoutout if you know why Christmas Island is famous.

[Naethyn]

Blue is forever.

[kjs86z2]

They're running an underground child sex trafficking ring under my favorite classic MMO

/pizza

How deep does it go?

balls deep on the lolita express

[Reiwa]

I just feel bad for the Quarm players.

They put their faith in the wrong person and got burned for it.

[Ekco]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcDI3bHU1a2xhM3Z5d2c5ODM5ZjU0MnN vaWgzNDhpODYyczRlenN4ZCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/j9djzcMmzg8ow/giphy.gif

[shovelquest]

Why are there no little kid models in everquest?

Now you know.

They are all on an undisclosed island in the (now you know why its named this) ocean of tears.

[Ekco]

i'm too lazy to look it up but i'm quite sure i fucking told you this was going to happen in the other thread, other games or one about M&M vs THJ/Quarm


why i quit playing after like 2 weeks

[Zekayy]

I am suing this guy on behalf of daybreak games for steeling velks lab's name.

lol

[shovelquest]

If Daygreed shuts it down, I hope thj devs release a full offline client of the game so you can just play by yourself.

Since it's a single player action RPG anyways.

[Ekco]

Ill bet you a million dollars everyone who works at daybreak has a character on THJ.

I'm sure even they are bummed about this.

they'd be more bummed from a class action lawsuit with everyone that owns stock in the holding company that owns the IP, and everyone at daybreak getting fired for being incompetent idiots.

a firm would take that case for free because they get 80% of the payout if it happens

i was arguing about this shit with that retard in RnF a couple weeks ago

the same logic applies to p99, you can argue that it's creating shareholder value by being a pipeline to the actual product but have fun explaining it in court filings vs digital ambulance chasers

f i d u c i a r y r e s p o n s i b i l i t y

[Ciderpress]

I feel like p99 is safe simply because of the track record. It's been around 16 years, it used to have a higher pop than it does now. Sony and then daybreak could have shut it down at any point and never did. It fills a certain niche that doesn't really threaten daybreak, where quarm and thj do.

[shovelquest]

This helps explain why we haven't seen any new servers here IMO.

[Ekco]

I feel like p99 is safe simply because of the track record. It's been around 16 years, it used to have a higher pop than it does now. Sony and then daybreak could have shut it down at any point and never did. It fills a certain niche that doesn't really threaten daybreak, where quarm and thj do.

things have changed in that 16 years though, that's my only point.

Jason Epstein, Ji Ham, and the executive crew there were at best uncommunicative and at worst bald face liars, incapable of investing in any new development, content to live off the milk that the herd of games they bought from SOE could provide. But now that Daybreak is part of a publicly held company, things look like they could get much worse

that was posted in some blog that covers this shit last year, the info and writing on the wall has been there, so just don't act surprised if/when it happens.

[loramin]

They are all on an undisclosed island in the (now you know why its named this) ocean of tears.

"Sister Island" sounds a lot more sinister now.

[Ciderpress]

Oh I won't act surprised, but there's the bad PR element too. If they want the milk, shutting down a 16 year old good-faith project could actually threaten the milk supply.

[magnetaress]

Remember some really big company bought up the rights to Asherons call and shut everything down and shut down all the community projects.

You should have gratitude this didn't happen yet with p99 and many other EMUs.

[Ekco]

CEOs burn shit to the ground all the time, if line doesn't go up they aren't going to be there for the fall out of the PR damage anyway

i was less worried about the possibility prior to LLMs, there is prolly a 100 other things that come to mind if a human is tasked with cooking the numbers in the short term, a CEO asking a LLM to do a deep dive on their IP holdings is gonna spit something back out with regards to EQ because we post so much here and on reddit and actually give a shit

more than it's going to suggest they tweak something with Palia or some other game ive never fucking heard of they own also

[shovelquest]

pdnDnc5rOm4

[magnetaress]

I'm actually happy for Quarm shutting down because it was going to be hugely detrimental to Secrets's health, happiness, and likely freedom in the long run.

[shovelquest]

They wouldn't call this time the tribulation if little 25 year old games weren't shut down to make russian oligarchs more money.

[CrazyPro]

I'm actually happy for Quarm shutting down because it was going to be hugely detrimental to Secrets's health, happiness, and likely freedom in the long run.

Quarm is back up already.

[Shenzen]

I HAVE A BLAST ON THJ

[Jimjam]

The lawsuit is over IP theft, not anything related to payments.

This is about THJs massive success.

It has literally 10x the active pop of their big TLP launch, and literally every video on youtube about Fangbreaker was: "Fangbreaker or THJ: The choice is obvious THJ"

This is the "harm" that is being claimed was done.

https://i.imgur.com/1hlgN8A.png

surely they are harming themself by making a server inferior to some shoestring fan art?

[Jimjam]

Okay, that was maybe a bit mean, admins plz delete the above post <3

[shovelquest]

HAHAHAHAHA DUIK YOU MISSED IT

IN A FLASH IT WAS HERE AND THEN GONE

[Duik]

shoutout if you know why Christmas Island is famous.

It is where Santa hides. Why do you think they have never found a trace at the north pole?

[Duik]

HAHAHAHAHA DUIK YOU MISSED IT

IN A FLASH IT WAS HERE AND THEN GONE

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3743480&postcount=16

Oops!

[magnetaress]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3743480&postcount=16

Oops!

There's a screenshot of it at least!

[Duik]

I saw that thanks magnet!

May day shall glow. Even though it is pissing down raining here.

[shovelquest]

Here's some footage of the DBG vs THJ deliberation.

PZbqAMEwtOE

[Findlyn]

And quarms down again, apparently Secrets has got in contact with someone, cant say anything but server is down

[wuanahto]

this is a mean thing to do considering like 2/3rds of those population lists were bazaar bots

[Solist]

this is a mean thing to do considering like 2/3rds of those population lists were bazaar bots

You know bots aren't counted in the pop list right?

And there is no bazaar on Quarm.

Quarm legitimately has 1.5k+ players, with Lguk, Uguk, mistmoore, unrest full of groups. 5 groups in velks etc.

Blue/Green players are just so...I'm not sure the term, maybe acclimated? to their server being a piece of shit because of the CSR and rules; that they think every other server is also shit? Quarm has everything every casual ever wanted, and is the perfect timesink for every competitive player who is sick of p99's failed system until something changes.

[Danth]

Unfortunately those other servers also have Luclin/PoP, making them garbage regardless of what other, good choices they made.

[Solist]

I gotta say I was excited to do a run through of luclin there once. Quick few weeks to do it properly and be done and tick that nostalgia off.

Planes of power can keep, likely quit for that.

[wuanahto]

You know bots aren't counted in the pop list right?

explain how

[Solist]

explain how

Neither Quarm, nor TAK count bots on their server pop lists.

TAK counts boxed toons, but not the bazaar bots. Quarm has no boxing.

[cd288]

The lawsuit is over IP theft, not anything related to payments.

This is about THJs massive success.

It has literally 10x the active pop of their big TLP launch, and literally every video on youtube about Fangbreaker was: "Fangbreaker or THJ: The choice is obvious THJ"

This is the "harm" that is being claimed was done.

https://i.imgur.com/1hlgN8A.png

Yes, but the payments are highly relevant in the case because it's very useful to be able to show they are profiting off your IP

[cd288]

they'd be more bummed from a class action lawsuit with everyone that owns stock in the holding company that owns the IP, and everyone at daybreak getting fired for being incompetent idiots.

a firm would take that case for free because they get 80% of the payout if it happens

i was arguing about this shit with that retard in RnF a couple weeks ago

the same logic applies to p99, you can argue that it's creating shareholder value by being a pipeline to the actual product but have fun explaining it in court filings vs digital ambulance chasers

f i d u c i a r y r e s p o n s i b i l i t y

If it's not a publicly traded company then the number of people who are going to own part of the holding company is likely very small and a majority are likely corporate insiders.

[zelld52]

Blue/Green players are just so...I'm not sure the term, maybe acclimated? to their server being a piece of shit because of the CSR and rules; that they think every other server is also shit? Quarm has everything every casual ever wanted, and is the perfect timesink for every competitive player who is sick of p99's failed system until something changes.

P99 is classic EverQuest. simply put. Yeah, the CSR and raid rules have gone through many changes, but you can't loot a guise of the deceiver in Luclin, and there's no exp potions or instances.

Maybe that's why we like P99 so much - it doesn't aim to "Come close but with QoL changes" - no we want to suffer through the grinding, the wipes on raids, the scarcity of loot.

[wuanahto]

i dunno, just kinda sounds like a huge lie and impossible to code
i cannot comprehend that people in the bazaar are not counted to server pop lists

[Reiwa]

i dunno, just kinda sounds like a huge lie and impossible to code
i cannot comprehend that people in the bazaar are not counted to server pop lists

TAKP lets you flag 1 account as trader mule, you may be correct that standard account characters aren't excluded. Quarm has an in-game command?

[Gozuk]

While I admit I burned out a bit and was taking a "break" from THJ... It's a bummer if it goes down. I had so much fun playing there

[Ennewi]

P99 is classic EverQuest. simply put. Yeah, the CSR and raid rules have gone through many changes, but you can't loot a guise of the deceiver in Luclin, and there's no exp potions or instances.

Not to be that guy, but IIRC there were xp pots given out to those who pledged to the Pantheon kickstarter.

[Ekco]

If it's not a publicly traded company

it is though, it's listed on the NASDAQ Stockholm for 13 Krona(?) a share
Enad Global 7 AB is a Swedish video game holding company based in Stockholm.

they've been public since since Enad Global bought Daybreak in 2020

the holding company has institutional investors, prolly pension funds in Stockholm and small cap ETFs

pretty sure i could buy this shit OTK if i wanted to, it's a real company in the real world where real laws matter lol, i don't understand why people can't wrap their head around this shit.

[zelld52]

Not to be that guy, but IIRC there were xp pots given out to those who pledged to the Pantheon kickstarter.

not on p99 there werent

[zelld52]

not on p99 there werent

or at least, i hope there werent. if there were all hope is lost here

[Tann]

imagine actually pledging to Patheon: Rise of the Cocaine to Blood Ratio

[littlebobby3]

Hopefully THJ wins soon. Saw it coming but probably not gonna affect it much

[Tann]

Hopefully THJ wins soon. Saw it coming but probably not gonna affect it much

not quite sure how a couple devs running an RMT scheme on another companies IP will win in this situation.

[shovelquest]

Yes, but the payments are highly relevant in the case because it's very useful to be able to show they are profiting off your IP

yeah but I'm just saying that the reason for the lawsuit isnt because they had a donation system it was because THJ was huge.

That's the same reason P99 got hit with one too.

I am defending the honor of the EQ community.

[shovelquest]

While I admit I burned out a bit and was taking a "break" from THJ... It's a bummer if it goes down. I had so much fun playing there

Im pretty sure there will be some kind of agreement.

Live eq Grok says has 10-15k active players... id if this provides any more info. Am curious what live player base is. https://www.playerauctions.com/player-count/everquest/

THJ has 25k people that have joined their discord in the last 6 months!

[torriadore]

Hopefully THJ wins soon. Saw it coming but probably not gonna affect it much
I don't really see how they'd win this outside of hiring much, much better lawyers. I can't really think of any emulator servers in this game or others that have scored any Ws against the owner of the IP other than supposed backroom secret handshake deals or outright being ignored.

[shovelquest]

This is gaming.

The guys running Project 1999 are passionate fans of EverQuest and our work, and we’re fans of what they’ve been able to accomplish with support from the player community.

I hope they continue this positivity with THJ.

https://www.everquest.com/news/project-1999-daybreak

Lawsuits is not gaming.

[Reiwa]

This is gaming.


The guys running Project 1999 are passionate fans of EverQuest and our work, and we’re fans of what they’ve been able to accomplish with support from the player community.

I hope they continue this positivity with THJ.

https://www.everquest.com/news/project-1999-daybreak

Lawsuits is not gaming.

Who's still there from then that they say /our/?

[torriadore]

This is gaming.



I hope they continue this positivity with THJ.

https://www.everquest.com/news/project-1999-daybreak

Lawsuits is not gaming.
I'm not even sure how many people from 2015 when that statement was put out are still with the live team.

[cd288]

You know bots aren't counted in the pop list right?

And there is no bazaar on Quarm.

Quarm legitimately has 1.5k+ players, with Lguk, Uguk, mistmoore, unrest full of groups. 5 groups in velks etc.

Blue/Green players are just so...I'm not sure the term, maybe acclimated? to their server being a piece of shit because of the CSR and rules; that they think every other server is also shit? Quarm has everything every casual ever wanted, and is the perfect timesink for every competitive player who is sick of p99's failed system until something changes.

If P99 is so shitty why are you still posting here?

Pretty sad and embarrassing IMO that you think this server is such crap now, yet here you are posting on its forums of all places lol

[cd288]

Hopefully THJ wins soon. Saw it coming but probably not gonna affect it much

THJ is 100% fully done. I can't imagine any settlement deal that would allow them to operate. Even THJ agreeing to give them 100% of any donations probably doesn't work, because you can't account for how much money a THJ player may have theoretically spent had they played on a TLP.

I would highly doubt THJ comes back at all.

[shovelquest]

I'm not even sure how many people from 2015 when that statement was put out are still with the live team.

Yeah, I’m not sure. Who is the parent corporation that owns daybreak did they not own daybreak when that agreement was made I don’t know the whole relationship drama with this ridiculous IP.

Eq should be public domain.

DnD sues players. Eq sues players.

Wtf are we doing here?

[loramin]

Yeah, I’m not sure. Who is the parent corporation that owns daybreak did they not own daybreak when that agreement was made I don’t know the whole relationship drama with this ridiculous IP.

Eq should be public domain.

DnD sues players. Eq sues players.

Wtf are we doing here?

American copyright laws were basically written by Disney, and as a result they're obscene.

In a rational world, everything would enter the public domain twenty years from the first copyright date. Twenty years is plenty of time for someone to make money off their creation.

[cd288]

Lol that's such an absurd argument

[Jimjam]

American copyright laws were basically written by Disney, and as a result they're obscene.

In a rational world, everything would enter the public domain twenty years from the first copyright date. Twenty years is plenty of time for someone to make money off their creation.

The point of copyright is to protect artists’ interests. As American copyright laws completely fail to do this, and really harm artists, they can be ignored in any instance where the laws are unlikely or unable to be enforced.

[Ekco]

>11 pages
did that divorce attorney from the thread prior to this come to explain how IP law works?
only part I'm interested in.

[shovelquest]

Yeah, I'm not trying to change the american political and economic system, I don't agree with that statement at all.

But EQ is for nerds, and should be run by nerds, not some investment conglomerate.

There's a H(Y)UGE difference between "the gaming world" and the "real world" here in my argument.

[shovelquest]

I am sorry, to be clear I think jesus should come, slay all the people who don't understand my argument, and then we can live in peace without lawsuits and copywrite law all together.

[cd288]

Personally, P99 is the only server I like and as they are protected by their legal agreement I'm not too fussed about what happens to the other servers

[torriadore]

Personally, P99 is the only server I like and as they are protected by their legal agreement I'm not too fussed about what happens to the other servers

Not being a doomer, but I bet the lawyers have taken a few good looks at the legal agreement. Anyway, if I were an emulator server not named p99 I'd be a little worried right now. Hell, even being a YouTuber who covers the server isn't safe atm. These guys just peaced out earlier today (https://www.thjdi.cc/) and they were probably the best eq database we've ever had.

[Ennewi]

not on p99 there werent

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137820&page=42

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these exp potions rock!

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140407

Old 02-22-2014, 09:34 AM
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All that drama over xp potions and fungus staff. Don't you all look silly now!

https://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-144230.html

smedlysmom14
03-23-2014, 03:35 PM
So let me ask you guys this. Whats the difference between people "donating" to pantheon rising for xp potions and people who RMT? Seems all the same to me.

[Duik]

If only there was someone who was technically able to do the exact work needed to make a succesful EQ server that people actually enjoy playing...

Many who play free now would migrate to a payed server to but it wouldnt likely be 100% of the subs gained.

Surely there is a compromise to be found somewhere.

Arrh nevermind. Corps need money but hate individuality.
Individuals hate corps but (many) have money.

Aint never happening.
To be clear, i think the hybrid 3 in 1 is a stupid idea but many here seem to like it. Seems odd a company whos sole aim is to make money would ignore something that clearly works.

[Ekco]

>Seems odd a company whos sole aim is to make money would ignore something that clearly works.

it's sadly easier to do lay offs and cash grabs to make the books look good so you can sell the pile of zombie companies you have assembled and gutted to the next sucker for profit.

Ive been to this rodeo before when Eve Online was sold to Pearl Abyss
>there have been reports that Pearl Abyss is considering selling CCP Games

hopefully someday the same holding company owns both so i can get cross game login rewards and my lvl 120 necro can pilot my space ship in eve

[shovelquest]

>Seems odd a company whos sole aim is to make money would ignore something that clearly works.

it's sadly easier to do lay offs and cash grabs to make the books look good so you can sell the pile of zombie companies you have assembled and gutted to the next sucker for profit.

This trend could be coming to an end for video games. I have a feeling video game industry is on the verge of collapse, and 90% of the people/investors involved with it will go fuck off to AI.

And we can go back to PC gaming being made for gamers, by gamers.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I would highly doubt THJ comes back at all.

Am I taking crazy pills or wouldn’t this be a huge mistake on Daybreak’s part?

THJ was very popular. THJ (or something very similar) is something that Daybreak could release as a custom rules server themselves

Why NOT do it?

Blizzard shutting down the wildly popular private Nostalrius classic server via threat of litigation…then releasing their own classic server immediately after, resulted in millions and millions of profit, and single handedly saved the entire spiraling World of Warcraft game

[Reiwa]

Am I taking crazy pills or wouldn’t this be a huge mistake on Daybreak’s part?

THJ was very popular. THJ (or something very similar) is something that Daybreak could release as a custom rules server themselves

Why NOT do it?

Blizzard shutting down the wildly popular private Nostalrius classic server via threat of litigation…then releasing their own classic server immediately after, resulted in millions and millions of profit, and single handedly saved the entire spiraling World of Warcraft game

Their code is probably not setup for easily implementing multiclassing in the sense of THC.

[Reiwa]

By which I mean to say I think Secrets wrote all that for eq/emu and is a powerful sorcerer irl.

[Infectious]

Yeah but there's no way to punish the person who set up the store, if nobody knows who that is.



Makes sense. Without any individual person to target, they have to be able to target the server itself to shut an emulator down.

Youre a genius. Just put a fake name in and they can never find you!

[shovelquest]

Their code is probably not setup for easily implementing multiclassing in the sense of THC.

DBG recreating THJ would be like if DBG recreated a P99 Green server by just locking progression and leaving in new world zones.

It's not multiclassing that makes THJ fun, it's how well it's balanced. It's an entirely custom experience. Similar, familiar, feels like EQ.. but plays more like a solo action RPG.

It's more like wow, and even more like Eldon Ring—but with EQ controls.

Custom AA's, custom raids, everything is custom.

Daybreaks version of THJ would just be a shitshow of krono farming, 6 boxers, and totally broken mechanics in every direction... like all TLP live servers!

[Reiwa]

6 boxers

Right! They wouldn't not demand a sub for each "class". It would be stupid ASAP.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Daybreaks version of THJ would just be a shitshow of krono farming, 6 boxers, and totally broken mechanics in every direction... like all TLP live servers!

Oh ya

I hadn’t played THJ but I thought the whole idea of making hybrids of classes meant you wouldn’t have to box? I guess people still would for more clearing power maybe, if it were allowed. Didn’t Daybreak try to make some no box rule servers? I’m assuming they couldn’t enforce that? I don’t really follow either, although I used to play retail back during HoT era

[shovelquest]

Play a group of 18 classes!

On Daybreak Games New 3 class server!

[Tann]

DBG recreating THJ would be like if DBG recreated a P99 Green server by just locking progression and leaving in new world zones.

It's not multiclassing that makes THJ fun, it's how well it's balanced. It's an entirely custom experience. Similar, familiar, feels like EQ.. but plays more like a solo action RPG.

It's more like wow, and even more like Eldon Ring—but with EQ controls.

Custom AA's, custom raids, everything is custom.

Daybreaks version of THJ would just be a shitshow of krono farming, 6 boxers, and totally broken mechanics in every direction... like all TLP live servers!

stop already, Daybreak getting hard as a diamond reading this post.

[zelld52]

stop already, Daybreak getting hard as a diamond reading this post.

THJ cannot destroy their databases, as that would be bad legal trouble for them. But they should.

Daybreak is not going to pay developers to create a new experience in EQ in the year of our lord 2025. They will keep pumping out the same old TLP experience until the subs dry up, and then scrap EQ team for parts and cancel support.

However, if they got their hands on the THJ databases, theyd have a whole lot of leg work done for them.

[Irespectwomen]

I'll never play live first and foremost because of the community being openly infested with bot crews and 2nd because of cosmetics which ruins my immersion and nostalgia pathways. I would have loved to play OoW again but live gives me the ick.

THJ really fucked it up, they blatantly abused Daybreaks good graces and openly profited from their product, it's no longer recreation of an old hobby of long past creative ideas it is active theft by using modern code of Daybreaks. The huge mistake is allowing for in-game purchases for real money, like lol that was pretty stupid of them.

[Tann]

However, if they got their hands on the THJ databases, theyd have a whole lot of leg work done for them.

as far as Daybreak is concerned, it's not THJ's database, its our database comrade.

[shovelquest]

THJ cannot destroy their databases, as that would be bad legal trouble for them. But they should.

Daybreak is not going to pay developers to create a new experience in EQ in the year of our lord 2025. They will keep pumping out the same old TLP experience until the subs dry up, and then scrap EQ team for parts and cancel support.

However, if they got their hands on the THJ databases, theyd have a whole lot of leg work done for them.

Don't worry intern that is their lead programmer at DBG can't parse any of them. :p

[torriadore]

I'll never play live first and foremost because of the community being openly infested with bot crews and 2nd because of cosmetics which ruins my immersion and nostalgia pathways. I would have loved to play OoW again but live gives me the ick.

THJ really fucked it up, they blatantly abused Daybreaks good graces and openly profited from their product, it's no longer recreation of an old hobby of long past creative ideas it is active theft by using modern code of Daybreaks. The huge mistake is allowing for in-game purchases for real money, like lol that was pretty stupid of them.

I'd estimate something well over 90% of the code that went into THJ isn't their own, it's EQEmu's.

That being said I can't hate THJ devs too hard for awakening the sleeping giant. They were running circles around Daybreak in terms of being connected with what their consumer wants.

[shovelquest]

Blaming THJ for flying too close to the sun is pure emotion and speculation.

Even Daybreak doesn't claim that.

The document implies that the unauthorized use of EverQuest’s intellectual property in THJ undermines Daybreak’s control over its brand and creative works, which could lead to loss of goodwill, brand reputation, and market exclusivity, though these are not quantified.

Its the free aspect of it that they are going after:

Daybreak asserts that THJ’s operation as an unauthorized emulator competes with its legitimate EverQuest game, a "massively multiplayer online role-playing game" that has achieved commercial success

[QUOTE]The complaint suggests that THJ constitutes unfair competition under federal and California law, implying economic harm through market dilution or diversion of players.

Key Observations:

The document emphasizes qualitative harm (e.g., irreparable damage to intellectual property rights, brand dilution, and unfair competition) rather than specific, quantified losses like lost profits or reduced server populations.

Daybreak’s arguments focus on the urgency of stopping THJ to prevent further unspecified harm, as seen in their TRO Application and Motion to Seal, but they lack concrete evidence of specific losses (e.g., no mention of lost players, revenue declines, or server data).

There's no mention of donations, revinue, or profits being made being the catalyst for this.

But it does mention the irreparable harm the brand faces as a result of people liking THJ more than Live.

Ironic, because the irreparable harm would be the lawsuit nuking THJ from orbit.

The provided court document (Case 3:25-cv-01489-BAS-BLM, Document 14) from Daybreak Game Company LLC v. Kristopher Takahashi, et al. does not explicitly mention specific revenue, donations, or other financial earnings made by "The Heroes' Journey" (THJ) or the defendants (Kristopher Takahashi, Alexander Taylor, and Does 1-20). The document focuses primarily on Daybreak’s allegations of intellectual property infringement and the legal remedies sought, rather than detailing the financial operations of THJ.

[shovelquest]

They were running circles around Daybreak in terms of being connected with what their consumer wants.

[Zekayy]

THJ cannot destroy their databases, as that would be bad legal trouble for them. But they should.

Daybreak is not going to pay developers to create a new experience in EQ in the year of our lord 2025. They will keep pumping out the same old TLP experience until the subs dry up, and then scrap EQ team for parts and cancel support.

However, if they got their hands on the THJ databases, theyd have a whole lot of leg work done for them.

they 100% can destroy it and should and THJ's database is on github its not hard to find :)

[shovelquest]

they 100% can destroy it and should

https://i.imgur.com/2OgIFFF.png

[cd288]

Am I taking crazy pills or wouldn’t this be a huge mistake on Daybreak’s part?

THJ was very popular. THJ (or something very similar) is something that Daybreak could release as a custom rules server themselves

Why NOT do it?

Blizzard shutting down the wildly popular private Nostalrius classic server via threat of litigation…then releasing their own classic server immediately after, resulted in millions and millions of profit, and single handedly saved the entire spiraling World of Warcraft game

I was talking about in capacity as an emulated server, not whether Daybreak would make a clone.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I was talking about in capacity as an emulated server, not whether Daybreak would make a clone.

Yea I get that, I just used your statement to re-ask (since the first time I mentioned it on like page 2-3ish no one answered) why Daybreak wouldn’t consider copying the server ruleset themselves

But other posters had answered, and it was illuminating to find out just how much better at coding, scripting, or programming (I dunno the current lingo) random nerds like Secrets are than Daybreak’s EQ staff

If it wasn’t a huge hassle, I still personally think Daybreak should try to copy it with the same sort of rules like no box. I think it would net them some money possibly despite the majority of people (including myself) tired of their in game shop amongst other things

If they do end up copying it, ima say I called it ;)

[shovelquest]

But other posters had answered, and it was illuminating to find out just how much better at coding, scripting, or programming (I dunno the current lingo) random nerds like Secrets are than Daybreak’s EQ staff


lmao and this is the "irreparable harm" I think they were talking about :D

[Reiwa]

lmao and this is the "irreparable harm" I think they were talking about :D

Our IP is valuable because we own it.

[shovelquest]

Our IP is valuable because we own it.

If my grandma was a bicycle.

[Kutark Validus]

I feel like p99 is safe simply because of the track record. It's been around 16 years, it used to have a higher pop than it does now. Sony and then daybreak could have shut it down at any point and never did. It fills a certain niche that doesn't really threaten daybreak, where quarm and thj do.

Do people really not know about this?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Daybreak_Game_Company

Daybreak and Project 1999 Agreement
In 2015 Project 1999 and Daybreak Game Company entered into a formal legal arrangement.

“It’s been an exciting year for Project 1999 and we have some exciting news we’ve been really anxious to share with all of you. As some of you may be aware, in the past there has been both confusion and concern over the status of Project 1999. We have recently entered into a written agreement with Daybreak Game Company LLC that formally recognizes Project 1999 as a fan based, not-for-profit, classic EverQuest emulation project. The agreement establishes the guidelines that we as a project must follow, but it will allow to us continue to update the game without risk of legal repercussions. As a show of good faith to support the efforts of Daybreak Games, we have decided to reschedule our expansion release as to not conflict with the upcoming new progression server being released in the coming weeks. We would like to personally thank all the folks at Daybreak and acknowledge how awesome it is for a company to work with and embrace the creations of their fans. This is really something that’s unique in the gaming industry.”

[Ekco]

nobody was worried about Daybreak or that other company that was the owner 10 years ago, people are rightfully worried about EG7 and the fine print of that arrangement now.

[cd288]

Unless there's something where P99 agreed to allow the IP holder to terminate the contract at any time for any reason, then the current holder doesn't have the legal ability to just terminate it. P99 could file to stop them, and win pretty easily (whether they would care to is obviously another matter).

P99 is fine. These other servers though, depends on what Daybreak wants to do.

[cd288]

they 100% can destroy it and should and THJ's database is on github its not hard to find :)

If they'd done it before the lawsuit got filed maybe, but now they can't

[Kutark Validus]

Unless there's something where P99 agreed to allow the IP holder to terminate the contract at any time for any reason, then the current holder doesn't have the legal ability to just terminate it. P99 could file to stop them, and win pretty easily (whether they would care to is obviously another matter).

P99 is fine. These other servers though, depends on what Daybreak wants to do.

Exactly

[Ekco]

pointless to argue about it because the document is private, but your basically assuming altruism in a document with zero clauses that can be exercised by the *checks notes* corporation with regards to a fan made emulator server who had access to their own legal department

CEOs like the costco dude who wants to punch someone over changing of the hotdog price exist, but they are the exception that proves the rule

i will gladly take the non hopium side of this bet and be pleasantly surprised if proven wrong, but i bet i won't be.

[Reiwa]

pointless to argue about it because the document is private, but your basically assuming altruism in a document with zero clauses that can be exercised by the *checks notes* corporation with regards to a fan made emulator server who had access to their own legal department

CEOs like the costco dude who wants to punch someone over changing of the hotdog price exist, but they are the exception that proves the rule

i will gladly take the non hopium side of this bet and be pleasantly surprised if proven wrong, but i bet i won't be.

No, see I'm an expert and high priced corporate lawyers would definitely set their organization up to be in breach. It's just basic law.

[magnetaress]

I just want a new solo play game with EQs art style and fidelity. And depth. M&M will be good butt it's going to be grindy and require a beefier computer. M&M art assets take more time than EQs to develop too. Because of slightly more fidelity, newer engine.

Don't get me wrong M&M will be a blockbuster butt it's not going to be the next big paradigm. And no triple A studio will do what I'm talking about because they can never sell a new game with newer zoomer hardware requirements.

Butt imagine if EQ was more like morrowind or skyrim and just kept releasing expansions with Kunark and velious grade graphics for lvls 1-60 for 40 years.

[cd288]

pointless to argue about it because the document is private, but your basically assuming altruism in a document with zero clauses that can be exercised by the *checks notes* corporation with regards to a fan made emulator server who had access to their own legal department

CEOs like the costco dude who wants to punch someone over changing of the hotdog price exist, but they are the exception that proves the rule

i will gladly take the non hopium side of this bet and be pleasantly surprised if proven wrong, but i bet i won't be.

I didn't assume anything. I said P99 could've agreed to an anytime/any reason termination clause in the agreement. If they did, then yeah Daybreak could revoke it at any time.

Otherwise, if the agreement doesn't allow termination for any reason/without cause, then P99 has strong legal arguments if Daybreak tried to pull the rug on them.

Although, going back to the scenario where there is an for any reason termination clause, even there you could have estoppel arguments depending on what was said during the contractual negotiations. For example, if you have that provision but Daybreak wrote in an email "Don't worry, this is just belt and suspenders, we will never terminate the agreement as long as you never go past Velious" you could try and use that. Written representations like that can be deemed a modification of the terms of the language in the contract. Now, that's a much harder argument to make, but it's also not impossible.

[Eagish]

Seems like THJ selling in game benefits under the guise of donations is markedly different from P99 taking donations to run the game. I can see how THJ attracted the unwanted attention, and then being really successful was probably a bad move, lol.

[Penish]

omg thj is back up alrdy come plays wif me

[shovelquest]

Why do gamers have to pretend like not only are they gamers, but they are lawyers?

Why is that the way it is in every gamer discussion about anything everywhere?

[Hailto]

Latest update from discord:

Good evening, Heroes!

I am happy to share that as of tonight, the Court entered an agreed to and jointly-requested order that resolves Daybreak's request for a TRO.

As a part of this agreement, and continuing our commitment to act in good faith, we are officially suspending the release of all major updates, new items or mechanics, until permitted to do so.

We are, however, incredibly grateful that players are still allowed to access and play on THJ. Moreover, we are also thankful for the flexibility enabling us to make routine changes and maintenance, like bug fixes, in the meantime.

In accordance with this order, we are posting the following public statement:

“The Heroes’ Journey is currently subject to pending litigation brought by Daybreak Game Company LLC regarding intellectual property and other related matters. While that case proceeds, a Stipulated Order found here has been agreed to by the Parties in that litigation and is subject to enforcement by the United States District Court for the Southern District of California.”

We know this has been stressful for many of you, but please know that you are not alone. We are doing everything in our power to see this through to a positive outcome for our community and all involved parties.

You can look forward to an announcement soon of a downtime to bring live the many bug fixes outlined in the ⁠test-log

Thank you for all your immense support!

https://heroesjourneyemu.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/daybreak-stip-order.pdf

There's the legal document mentioned, doesn't look good.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/gpAZX7I.gif

[tunne]

can you make a post when any of this means anything to anyone?

[shovelquest]

can you make a post when any of this means anything to anyone?

V0EZobdiJ4M

[Hailto]

can you make a post when any of this means anything to anyone?

Was the only EQ server left that isn't complete shit. EQ only in memories now, RIP.

[tunne]

Was the only EQ server left that isn't complete shit. EQ only in memories now, RIP.

be the architect of your own g*y world

[tunne]

V0EZobdiJ4M

I love you brother for that

[azxten]

This is why I decided not to put any effort into a server. The amount of effort it would take to do it right, especially with current technology, would put you far down the path of just making an entirely new game. Why would you invest your time and energy into someone else's property? Monsters and Memories has the right idea. Just remake EQ mechanics in a new game and give up on emulation except for nostalgia in a local emulator or with a few friends.

[tunne]

This is why I decided not to put any effort into a server. The amount of effort it would take to do it right, especially with current technology, would put you far down the path of just making an entirely new game. Why would you invest your time and energy into someone else's property? Monsters and Memories has the right idea. Just remake EQ mechanics in a new game and give up on emulation except for nostalgia in a local emulator or with a few friends.

your mind i asking weird questions your body doesnt want to consign to

[MaCtastic]

Yeah but there's no way to punish the person who set up the store, if nobody knows who that is..

They collect money through Ko-Fi, which payment processing is done by companies that need to verify there identity. All of which operate out of the US and are subject to US laws. They will not destroy their companies to protect the identity of the THJ devs.

[Praxcthius]

Advocates for insta gratification eq. Tik tok brains. Should ban the shit out of thj and probably quarm too. Get rid of all the instances

[shovelquest]

EQ community across the board fucking sucks. Fuck yall for hating on THJ litreally.

[Swish]

EQ community across the board fucking sucks. Fuck yall for hating on THJ litreally.

Maybe if they staffed their servers and banned the afk krono farmers it'd improve.

[Duik]

Wow. I dont wanna play thj but what a great concept. Also, by all accounts it is well balanced and obviously engaging.
Not for everyone but whatever, prolly could have gone better if no pay to play.

EQ ip owners could easily hire these folk and make a killing. But that dont sound like what a "squeeze the last drop then auction the parts left" kind of company does.

In hind sight (as others have already said) maybe dev time would be better spent creating a new game with those characteristics. And have pay to play elements.
They obviously have programmer chops.

[Ciderpress]

Seriously if you modify everquest that much it's just a different game. What did they expect to happen? I find it hard to believe that they weren't aware a C&D was basically guaranteed. If you put time into thj and are now mad it's gone you should be mad at the devs for wasting your time more than daybreak.

[shovelquest]

Would be cool if Enad Global 7 publishes the THJ dev's first studio IP.

And it's an awesome character builder multiplayer action RPG..

[shovelquest]

Imagine suing the guys that love your game this much lmao

https://i.imgur.com/tFgiPTl.png

[Ciderpress]

Ehh that's kind of emotional blackmail.

"Imagine breaking up with me even though I love you this much"

[Reiwa]

Imagine suing the guys that love your game this much lmao

https://i.imgur.com/tFgiPTl.png

It's not their "game". It's their property.

[Snaggles]

How to run an elf sim without getting sued:

Step 1: Get very specific terms in writing from the owner of the IP
Step 2: Follow those rules precisely

That’s it.

[shovelquest]

It's not their "game". It's their property.

Well said.

[Irespectwomen]

THJ are fucked, like lose your house and everything you own fucked. They hilariously thought that if they adamantly referred to their in-game services as donations then they would be protected. Drug users would never go to jail if that was any sort of legal protection lmao. My goodness the naivety of it is just crazy.

Anyways, they literally sell an xp and buff 'gift' for a 'donation', this is a business model and market strategy as most EQ players would spend a few bucks to save X amount of time, I bet DBG will show that XP potions are on of their highest grossing microtransaction to create precedence that it is a competing business model using a stolen product with a viable market strategy to optimize profit.

I'm no lawyer but I think the nature of that would open them up for speculative damages.

What really is a kick in the teeth is they continue to operate despite DBG's attempt to shut them down, I am sure continuing to allow purcha- I mean donations for in-game services. This is a sleight against the entire EQEmu community, if they gave a shit at all they would have done everything in their power to settle outside of court. Them making DBG go to court is going to force them to create legal precedent against the entire EQEmu community, say goodby to small crowdfunded servers.

I am really looking forward to this case, I wish I got to see the look on their face as they attempt to tell the Judge that these were not transactions but they were donations LOL. I hope they are appropriately punished and the EQEmu community is spared from blowback (we won't be).

No judge I did not sell that methamphetamine it was a personal gift for a donation HAHAHAAHA

[Reiwa]

THJ are fucked, like lose your house and everything you own fucked. They hilariously thought that if they adamantly referred to their in-game services as donations then they would be protected. Drug users would never go to jail if that was any sort of legal protection lmao. My goodness the naivety of it is just crazy.

Anyways, they literally sell an xp and buff 'gift' for a 'donation', this is a business model and market strategy as most EQ players would spend a few bucks to save X amount of time, I bet DBG will show that XP potions are on of their highest grossing microtransaction to create precedence that it is a competing business model using a stolen product with a viable market strategy to optimize profit.

I'm no lawyer but I think the nature of that would open them up for speculative damages.

What really is a kick in the teeth is they continue to operate despite DBG's attempt to shut them down, I am sure continuing to allow purcha- I mean donations for in-game services. This is a sleight against the entire EQEmu community, if they gave a shit at all they would have done everything in their power to settle outside of court. Them making DBG go to court is going to force them to create legal precedent against the entire EQEmu community, say goodby to small crowdfunded servers.

I am really looking forward to this case, I wish I got to see the look on their face as they attempt to tell the Judge that these were not transactions but they were donations LOL. I hope they are appropriately punished and the EQEmu community is spared from blowback (we won't be).

No judge I did not sell that methamphetamine it was a personal gift for a donation HAHAHAAHA

Are legal materials identical to illegal materials in civil proceedings?

[Irespectwomen]

Are legal materials identical to illegal materials in civil proceedings?

Why wouldn't they be? THJ is operated as a business though most of these pretending to be retarded white collar loopholes have been closed i'm sure. I would be surprised if THJ hasn't made well over 6 digits.

[Infectious]

Wow. I dont wanna play thj but what a great concept. Also, by all accounts it is well balanced and obviously engaging.
Not for everyone but whatever, prolly could have gone better if no pay to play.

EQ ip owners could easily hire these folk and make a killing. But that dont sound like what a "squeeze the last drop then auction the parts left" kind of company does.

In hind sight (as others have already said) maybe dev time would be better spent creating a new game with those characteristics. And have pay to play elements.
They obviously have programmer chops.

If you read the lawsuit, they want all their code. Something tells me daybreak wants their work;)

[Ciderpress]

If you read the lawsuit, they want all their code. Something tells me daybreak wants their work;)

It's fair to want their work when thj wants, and used, daybreak's work in the first place. Fair is fair.

Just make a new game. Why squander your coding talents on a heavily modified version of everquest that in no way resembles actual everquest? Although I'm also skeptical that it takes some kind of coding genius to make thj.

[Reiwa]

It's fair to want their work when thj wants, and used, daybreak's work in the first place. Fair is fair.

Just make a new game. Why squander your coding talents on a heavily modified version of everquest that in no way resembles actual everquest? Although I'm also skeptical that it takes some kind of coding genius to make thj.

Wasn't there a prior server that allowed class mixing? That person is one of the Does.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

It's fair to want their work when thj wants, and used, daybreak's work in the first place. Fair is fair.

Just make a new game. Why squander your coding talents on a heavily modified version of everquest that in no way resembles actual everquest? Although I'm also skeptical that it takes some kind of coding genius to make thj.

Sometimes when it’s that customized it becomes unexpectedly fun. Like the illegal offshore custom classic WoW servers I heard about had options where you’d gain any random class talent at certain level increments like every 5 levels. Which resulted in some randomly monstrous chars like warriors who also had blink and frost nova. I never played it but listening to friend that did the pvp sounded crazy fun

[Ciderpress]

Sometimes when it’s that customized it becomes unexpectedly fun. Like the illegal offshore custom classic WoW servers I heard about had options where you’d gain any random class talent at certain level increments like every 5 levels. Which resulted in some randomly monstrous chars like warriors who also had blink and frost nova. I never played it but listening to friend that did the pvp sounded crazy fun

Yeah I can see the appeal, but only because of the interest in everquest. If you don't know the normal EQ classes in the first place it doesn't seem that interesting to combine them. So I can see both sides. Also though it sort of invites the question, is it actually fun or does it just seem fun because it's like everquest cheat mode? When I first learned the doom cheat codes it was like oh my god this rules but then it kind of becomes unfun when you realize oh I'm just cheating at doom.

[shovelquest]

Fuck I hope all EMUs are banned over this. The eq community are lame im finding out!

[Ciderpress]

That's pretty unreasonable shovel. I'm not saying I'm glad it's getting shut down, I'm just saying I can understand it.

[Ciderpress]

You can't really claim it's a "fan project" when you're just making a new game using their assets. What are you a fan of at that point? Shards of dalaya sort of walked that line but it still felt like you were playing some version of everquest at least.

[Nietche]

Maybe Secrets can migrate their server to fall under DB like the original P99 did way back when.

[Ekco]

Shards of dalaya sort of walked that line but it still felt like you were playing some version of everquest at least.

shards would have been popular with original assets, that's how good that progression and the raid mechanics were

all EQ has is first love/nostalgia bias going for it

[Ciderpress]

shards would have been popular with original assets, that's how good that progression and the raid mechanics were

all EQ has is first love/nostalgia bias going for it

See I'd agree except if ultima online didn't exist. I played that at launch too and absolutely fell in love with it, and there are myriad classic UO emu servers, yet I don't play on them. I do play on p99, so I have to give the win to EQ's fundamentals.

[shovelquest]

That's pretty unreasonable shovel. I'm not saying I'm glad it's getting shut down, I'm just saying I can understand it.

The ideal solution to this is everyone ends up being happy like P99's deal with dbg (unless that's the reason we haven't seen a new server, then hopefully a new agreement is made for all EMUs after this).

https://i.imgur.com/R8Bd1lG.gif

We are all one! It's us, vs non eq people.

[Ciderpress]

Hey I'd love a new server, but I still have tons of fun on green, and I think at the moment almost 700 other people do too

[Swish]

Hey I'd love a new server, but I still have tons of fun on green, and I think at the moment almost 700 other people do too


You're having fun? Hol up...

https://i.imgur.com/bLM0gKi.jpg

[cd288]

THJ are fucked, like lose your house and everything you own fucked. They hilariously thought that if they adamantly referred to their in-game services as donations then they would be protected. Drug users would never go to jail if that was any sort of legal protection lmao. My goodness the naivety of it is just crazy.

Anyways, they literally sell an xp and buff 'gift' for a 'donation', this is a business model and market strategy as most EQ players would spend a few bucks to save X amount of time, I bet DBG will show that XP potions are on of their highest grossing microtransaction to create precedence that it is a competing business model using a stolen product with a viable market strategy to optimize profit.

I'm no lawyer but I think the nature of that would open them up for speculative damages.

What really is a kick in the teeth is they continue to operate despite DBG's attempt to shut them down, I am sure continuing to allow purcha- I mean donations for in-game services. This is a sleight against the entire EQEmu community, if they gave a shit at all they would have done everything in their power to settle outside of court. Them making DBG go to court is going to force them to create legal precedent against the entire EQEmu community, say goodby to small crowdfunded servers.

I am really looking forward to this case, I wish I got to see the look on their face as they attempt to tell the Judge that these were not transactions but they were donations LOL. I hope they are appropriately punished and the EQEmu community is spared from blowback (we won't be).

No judge I did not sell that methamphetamine it was a personal gift for a donation HAHAHAAHA

Depends on what Daybreak asks for in the case. For the "donations" that THJ received, as you say those are pretty easy to do an accounting for and prove as transactions not donations, and Daybreak could try to argue that there should be recission on all profit THJ made off the IP. As far as consequential damages of "loss of potential profits and subscribers" that's harder to calculate...I would assume Daybreak will request it in their pleadings though; at that point the judge would decide if there's a reasonable argument that THJ caused lost business and see if there's some rational calculation they can come up with to estimate.

[Zekayy]

Why do gamers have to pretend like not only are they gamers, but they are lawyers?

Why is that the way it is in every gamer discussion about anything everywhere?


Dont you know Shovelquest that everyone of these nerds here are Lawyers? have you seen the shit people got away with on this server? have you seen the UN Discord? :P

[Reiwa]

The ideal solution to this is everyone ends up being happy like P99's deal with dbg (unless that's the reason we haven't seen a new server, then hopefully a new agreement is made for all EMUs after this).

https://i.imgur.com/R8Bd1lG.gif

We are all one! It's us, vs non eq people.

I hate it when prey animals don't realize they're prey animals. So gauche.

[greatdane]

I never understood why THJ was so popular. Tried it when it launched, and while the triple-class gimmick was briefly entertaining, the novelty wore off within a week. Then it was just a laughably trivial server where you could solo raids and get BIS gear with ridiculous ease, and no social aspect because everything was designed around soloing.

For that server to have become so absurdly popular says a lot about the gaming mentality of large portions of the EQ community. The triple-class concept was undermined by the fact that THJ didn't have even the slightest pretense of balance, so while the idea was interesting on paper, the result was effectively the same as using cheat codes in a single-player game.

Anyone who feels like THJ is the ideal way to play EQ should admit that they're a shitty player who can't succeed in the real version of the game.

[shovelquest]

Cool.

[Ekco]

just thinking about the synergy between different 3-class combos was more fun than I’ve had in the last decade of playing other random emu server rule sets.

would have been amazing if it was balanced better, i'd be interested to see if that character class system shoehorned into [REDACTED] server instead of 6-12 boxing would be more enjoyable than THJ was

[shovelquest]

It is actually balanced great.

[Gozuk]

I never understood why THJ was so popular. Tried it when it launched, and while the triple-class gimmick was briefly entertaining, the novelty wore off within a week. Then it was just a laughably trivial server where you could solo raids and get BIS gear with ridiculous ease, and no social aspect because everything was designed around soloing.

For that server to have become so absurdly popular says a lot about the gaming mentality of large portions of the EQ community. The triple-class concept was undermined by the fact that THJ didn't have even the slightest pretense of balance, so while the idea was interesting on paper, the result was effectively the same as using cheat codes in a single-player game.

Anyone who feels like THJ is the ideal way to play EQ should admit that they're a shitty player who can't succeed in the real version of the game.

Yikes

[Zuranthium]

It's good to have more character customization, but making everything ezmode like THJ is boring. It does show how many people use games mainly just to feel better about themselves with the fake achievements those games give, but it also shows how much the MMORPG concept has died and is not trying to be brought back. When there are no real options for immersive adventure in an everchanging game world that requires people to go on unique quests and work together, then yeah something like THJ begins to look sort of appealing in the way it provides a twist on an otherwise static game.

[shovelquest]

It's good to have more character customization, but making everything ezmode like THJ is boring. It does show how many people use games mainly just to feel better about themselves with the fake achievements those games give, but it also shows how much the MMORPG concept has died and is not trying to be brought back. When there are no real options for immersive adventure in an everchanging game world that requires people to go on unique quests and work together, then yeah something like THJ begins to look sort of appealing in the way it provides a twist on an otherwise static game.

You wouldn't ever be able to kill Seru.

[Reiwa]

You wouldn't ever be able to kill Seru.

You shouldn't even want to kill Seru though. Tsaph Katta is the bad guy. If you check his body type, he's goddamn undead. A vampire, just like the Combine Inquisition said.

send post

[shovelquest]

You shouldn't even want to kill Seru though. Tsaph Katta is the bad guy. If you check his body type, he's goddamn undead. A vampire, just like the Combine Inquisition said.

send post

Bro kata is so based. It's like mistmoore on the moon.

Katta for life.

[Ciderpress]

Capitalism definitely ruined mmo's, and I'm a staunch capitalist. There's just no financial incentive for the old monthly subscription model given the risk involved and the amount of labor needed to get it off the ground in any meaningful way on modern tech. The original EQ team was tiny by modern standards, it was actually a viable model at the time, in addition to the novelty factor.

We're all really just lucky that we got to play it when it was new, I chalk that up as a win.

[Reiwa]

Capitalism definitely ruined mmo's, and I'm a staunch capitalist. There's just no financial incentive for the old monthly subscription model given the risk involved and the amount of labor needed to get it off the ground in any meaningful way on modern tech. The original EQ team was tiny by modern standards, it was actually a viable model at the time, in addition to the novelty factor.

We're all really just lucky that we got to play it when it was new, I chalk that up as a win.

Please sir, this is a Winda's (https://wiki.project1999.com/Winda_Lylil)

[shovelquest]

P99 Did prove you can sit on 2 expansions for 10 years and still be better than 1 year after the 3rd.

[Ciderpress]

The monthly subscription model dictated the design of the game. Everything is generic homogenized shit now because of free to play with buy-in incentives and microtransactions.

[shovelquest]

GAME OFF

Everything is generic homogenized shit now because everyone want's to be liked by everyone.

Led Zeplin didn't write tunes that everyone liked, they left that up to the Beegies.

HpkecYVRt_E

GAME ON!

[Ciderpress]

Lol masterful wayne's world reference. It's exactly right. But it's spelled led zeppelin.

[Reiwa]

The monthly subscription model dictated the design of the game. Everything is generic homogenized shit now because of free to play with buy-in incentives and microtransactions.

I don't think you are a staunch capitalist at all.

If you're willing to abandon your beliefs over the pretend, you don't have beliefs.

You have a keyboard.

[Ciderpress]

I don't think you are a staunch capitalist at all.

If you're willing to abandon your beliefs over the pretend, you don't have beliefs.

You have a keyboard.

I never said capitalism was perfect. It's the best worst system, for example mmo's suck now.

[Reiwa]

I never said capitalism was perfect. It's the best worst system, for example mmo's suck now.

It's OK to not like capitalism, I'm just unimpressed by the wank.

[Ciderpress]

I'm sorry to have unimpressed against you

[shovelquest]

What's the best, best system?

[Ekco]

The system that allows you to crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

[shovelquest]

I was gonna say Imperium of Man but I am pretty keen on Super Earth.

[Reiwa]

What's the best, best system?

The system that allows you to crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

Liberal democracy, so far. Meme in discord.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/z7ADjrD.gif

[Duik]

GAME OFF

Everything is generic homogenized shit now because everyone want's to be liked by everyone.

Led Zeplin didn't write tunes that everyone liked, they left that up to the Beegies.


GAME ON!

Yeah but you could still tell by the way they walked, they were ladyboys no time for talk.

[tunne]

Is Menden stayin alive? ...stayin alive?

[Ekco]

we got a containment breach over here

[Zuranthium]

Bro kata is so based. It's like mistmoore on the moon.

Katta for life.

Definitely one of the better Luclin zones. Change the character models and the annoying Luclin textures on the trees/rocks and it would be a worthy zone to add into Norrath somewhere.

[shovelquest]

Definitely one of the better Luclin zones. Change the character models and the annoying Luclin textures on the trees/rocks and it would be a worthy zone to add into Norrath somewhere.

It's like hogwarts!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Against all odds and reason, and through various twists of fate, being a Friend of Project 1999 -- and who among us isn't? -- is suddenly possibly the sane place to be for this IP. Nasty bidness took place, it seems to me.

Yet in such dark times, shall we learn to love the gloom? A spark is needed. A beacon must be lit.
https://i.imgur.com/KIWpQYy.jpeg

[WarpathEQ]

What they should really do is license the IP to these community devs that want to recreate the elf sim in their own image. Bet if they opened the flood gates they could generate more revenue through that approach with virtually no overhead when compared to their current business model.

And the community devs could build in whatever version of pay to play, RMT, ect. that they want on their own projects and share a large cut of it with daybreak.

[Reiwa]

What they should really do is license the IP to these community devs that want to recreate the elf sim in their own image. Bet if they opened the flood gates they could generate more revenue through that approach with virtually no overhead when compared to their current business model.

And the community devs could build in whatever version of pay to play, RMT, ect. that they want on their own projects and share a large cut of it with daybreak.

IP Held for Commercial Exploitation or Personal Use: This is the primary form of IP ownership, where the owner (individual, company, or entity) creates or acquires IP—like patents, trademarks, copyrights, or trade secrets—to use it directly. This could mean producing goods (e.g., a patented invention), branding products (e.g., a trademarked logo), or creating content (e.g., copyrighted music or books). The goal here is to leverage the IP for profit, protection, or creative control. For example, a company might patent a new technology to manufacture it or license it for royalties, or an artist might copyright a painting to control its distribution.


IP Held for Resale or Speculative Gain: This is what you might be referring to as IP that "only exists so you can sell it later for more." Some entities acquire or develop IP with the primary intent of selling or licensing it at a higher value later, often without using it themselves. This is common in industries like tech, where patent portfolios are bought and sold, or in "patent trolling," where non-practicing entities hold patents solely to extract licensing fees or settlements. Similarly, some trademarks or domain names are registered speculatively to flip for profit when demand rises.

I think it's mostly the second one. H/t whoever was talking about it on here. :(

[shovelquest]

What they should really do is license the IP to these community devs that want to recreate the elf sim in their own image. Bet if they opened the flood gates they could generate more revenue through that approach with virtually no overhead when compared to their current business model.

And the community devs could build in whatever version of pay to play, RMT, ect. that they want on their own projects and share a large cut of it with daybreak.

FOR REAL!

[shovelquest]

Just turn EQ into robolox and proffit.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

What they should really do is license the IP to these community devs that want to recreate the elf sim in their own image. Bet if they opened the flood gates they could generate more revenue through that approach with virtually no overhead when compared to their current business model.

And the community devs could build in whatever version of pay to play, RMT, ect. that they want on their own projects and share a large cut of it with daybreak.


Someone ends up with a Moe Greene special when this kind of business gets going. People might get a good server going, lots of happy players. Maybe the devs get greedy, start skimming off the top.

[Ekco]

https://c.tenor.com/Kcl2uFEioCIAAAAC/tenor.gif

[shovelquest]

Someone ends up with a Moe Greene special when this kind of business gets going. People might get a good server going, lots of happy players. Maybe the devs get greedy, start skimming off the top.

Roblox is on the NY stock exchange.

[shovelquest]

There are 27 games that publish mods.

https://i.imgur.com/BwDNxcL.png

Minecraft, Terraria, The Elder Scrolls (Skyrim, Morrowind), Fallout (4, 76), Cyberpunk 2077, Grand Theft Auto V, and Garry's Mod. Additionally, games like Left 4 Dead 2, Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord, and Project Zomboid are also known for their strong modding communities.

[shovelquest]

Battlefield 1942 let you access mods on their server select.

[Bisonzabi]

I never understood why THJ was so popular. Tried it when it launched, and while the triple-class gimmick was briefly entertaining, the novelty wore off within a week. Then it was just a laughably trivial server where you could solo raids and get BIS gear with ridiculous ease, and no social aspect because everything was designed around soloing.

For that server to have become so absurdly popular says a lot about the gaming mentality of large portions of the EQ community. The triple-class concept was undermined by the fact that THJ didn't have even the slightest pretense of balance, so while the idea was interesting on paper, the result was effectively the same as using cheat codes in a single-player game.

Anyone who feels like THJ is the ideal way to play EQ should admit that they're a shitty player who can't succeed in the real version of the game.

Nice gatekeeping holier than thou post. You may not like TLJ, but the reality is that it was a fresh breath of air in the formula for the game and even got some younger newcomers that never once played any other EQ game before to try it out. And that's something this franchise is in dire need of, which is cross generational appeal for those in their teens and 20's. Because you can't rely on a majority 40-60+ year old fandom that is slowly dwindling down year by year to maintain any sort of revitalized relevance.
That said, it's a shame TLJ mods blew it by asking for ingame perk purchases (conspiracies aside). Hoping this doesn't have repercussions on the already paper thin tolerance of the emu community.

[shovelquest]

If we could somehow point the stop killing games people towards the stop killing mods direction.

[Cliveislive]

see above

[Irespectwomen]

Depends on what Daybreak asks for in the case. For the "donations" that THJ received, as you say those are pretty easy to do an accounting for and prove as transactions not donations, and Daybreak could try to argue that there should be recission on all profit THJ made off the IP. As far as consequential damages of "loss of potential profits and subscribers" that's harder to calculate...I would assume Daybreak will request it in their pleadings though; at that point the judge would decide if there's a reasonable argument that THJ caused lost business and see if there's some rational calculation they can come up with to estimate.

THJ used the Steam download for their client, this creates a very strong link of market share competition of paying clients. The only thing deciding how financially fucked THJ devs are is if they hold enough assets to make the data analysis litigation worth it for speculative damages. They will owe every single cent that they received from payments for service and possibly even the unsolicited 'donations'. Depending on how much they spent for services from other contributors to the project the said contributors could be on the hook for that, which in itself may still appear to be income from the IRS perspective.

They're going after everything, rightly so, fuck THJ, they've really fucked over the community. Also, DBG wanted THJ shut-down but they have continued to keep the server up, it wasn't a mutual agreement it was THJ disregarding DBG entirely. The entire thing is such an overt illegal business that everyone who contributed and received payment is going to be prosecuted.

[Irespectwomen]

There also seemed to be some misconceptions that the court was sympathetic to THJ due to the stipend and denial to keep the investigation private. This was made apparently wrong by the courts actions yesterday denying THJ's request for more time to prepare a defense. 8/12 is when we will hear just how fucked they are, it is in the interest of the entire EQEmu community that they are painlessly put down.

[shovelquest]

I fucking hate gamers.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

If we could somehow point the stop killing games people towards the stop killing mods direction.

Problem one, as far as live goes for this warehoused IP they are locked into company-defined goals, which includes making sure new expansions get consumed. Modding would interfere with that already modest market share strategy.

If they permitted modding on the tlp's, back to the problem one.

And now we know, if they let the emu community get anything farther than museum piece status, they might hit you real hard.

[Irespectwomen]

I fucking hate gamers.

Bro, you know that THJ intends on taking this to court and hired a top tier IP lawyer right? Do you know what the ENTIRE premise of these retards defense is going to be?

"LOOK AT THAT EQEMU COMMUNITY IT HAS EXISTED FOR 15 YEARS AND DBG DID NOTHIGN TO PROTECT THEIR ASSETS FROM THEM"

That is going to be their defense. They did this as a cash grab at the expense of everything.

[Swish]

Borrowed from the Quarm discord where the same elf lawyers are shouting "OBJECTION!" :o

[shovelquest]

Problem one, as far as live goes for this warehoused IP they are locked into company-defined goals, which includes making sure new expansions get consumed. Modding would interfere with that already modest market share strategy.

If they permitted modding on the tlp's, back to the problem one.

And now we know, if they let the emu community get anything farther than museum piece status, they might hit you real hard.

Sell access to mods give devs 10-30% and now you can fire your whole dev team.

[shovelquest]

Bro, you know that THJ intends on taking this to court and hired a top tier IP lawyer right? Do you know what the ENTIRE premise of these retards defense is going to be?

"LOOK AT THAT EQEMU COMMUNITY IT HAS EXISTED FOR 15 YEARS AND DBG DID NOTHIGN TO PROTECT THEIR ASSETS FROM THEM"

That is going to be their defense. They did this as a cash grab at the expense of everything.

If what you are saying is true, I hope they retire happily and never make another game for loser gamers ever again.

[Reiwa]

The entire thing is such an overt illegal business that everyone who contributed and received payment is going to be prosecuted.

Good luck. I'm behind 7 Bitcoin wallets.

[Ekco]

If what you are saying is true,
the Shaolin and the Wu-tang, could be dangerous.

[shovelquest]

They still working on updates, even though they cant push them, because this is the field of dreams (like p99 is also).

_TNkk0YPvy0

[atomicpaul]

THJ used the Steam download for their client, this creates a very strong link of market share competition of paying clients. The only thing deciding how financially fucked THJ devs are is if they hold enough assets to make the data analysis litigation worth it for speculative damages. They will owe every single cent that they received from payments for service and possibly even the unsolicited 'donations'. Depending on how much they spent for services from other contributors to the project the said contributors could be on the hook for that, which in itself may still appear to be income from the IRS perspective.

They're going after everything, rightly so, fuck THJ, they've really fucked over the community. Also, DBG wanted THJ shut-down but they have continued to keep the server up, it wasn't a mutual agreement it was THJ disregarding DBG entirely. The entire thing is such an overt illegal business that everyone who contributed and received payment is going to be prosecuted.what crime are the contributors going to be charged with, officer?

i gave them thirty dollars over the course of three months. never did get my EoM but eh.

[shovelquest]

My man.

[Irespectwomen]

what crime are the contributors going to be charged with, officer?

i gave them thirty dollars over the course of three months. never did get my EoM but eh.

lol, I mean the development or other major contributors that received payment for their contributions, not paying customers. Goofball

[Irespectwomen]

They still working on updates, even though they cant push them, because this is the field of dreams (like p99 is also).

_TNkk0YPvy0

They could have easily created this project legit without hurting the community (Don't use the steam client) and probably received plenty of unsolicited donations still. On proving the concept who knows they could have taken it to DBG and collaborated but they chose to do it the retarded way and get clapped for it.

You shill and seethe for grifters Shovel and it's sad.

[shovelquest]

They could have easily created this project legit without hurting the community (Don't use the steam client) and probably received plenty of unsolicited donations still. On proving the concept who knows they could have taken it to DBG and collaborated but they chose to do it the retarded way and get clapped for it.

You shill and seethe for grifters Shovel and it's sad.

everyone is an oppressor we are the oppressed

/unsubscribe

[Cecily]

I remember their EoM premium currency thing (1 dollar = 1 EoM) and looking at the math of how much it cost to keep those server buffs running and how they were constantly refreshed while I played there... It seemed like a lot of money.


There was like 5 different buffs and they costed various amounts of EoM for so many hours. I don't remember the exact values, but one was at least 20 EoM for lets say 4 hours. Maintaining that desirable buff 24 hours would cost $120 a day, and there was about another 4 that were something like 5 EoM for however long. So make that another 120 a day to keep the other buffs going. 240 x 365 = 87,600.


I don't know how much a server costs to maintain. I'm guessing less than that.