Daybreak sues THJ

[Ekco]

the dopamine hit from the entire server saying thanks in ooc when you did it was by design also

first time i saw it i thought how fucking disgusting that is

[shovelquest]

I remember their EoM premium currency thing (1 dollar = 1 EoM) and looking at the math of how much it cost to keep those server buffs running and how they were constantly refreshed while I played there... It seemed like a lot of money.


There was like 5 different buffs and they costed various amounts of EoM for so many hours. I don't remember the exact values, but one was at least 20 EoM for lets say 4 hours. Maintaining that desirable buff 24 hours would cost $120 a day, and there was about another 4 that were something like 5 EoM for however long. So make that another 120 a day to keep the other buffs going. 240 x 365 = 87,600.


I don't know how much a server costs to maintain. I'm guessing less than that.

I looked it up to try to turn on a buff once and was like LOL no friggen way im spending that kind of money it was like 30$ for 1 buff XD

Whoever turns those on must be what are known as "whales" and just dump hundreds of dollars into it.

I always thought it was funny because if those whales left, and those buffs were not ever on. Id go to the THJ devs house and force them to turn them on permanently.

[shovelquest]

the dopamine hit from the entire server saying thanks in ooc when you did it was by design also

first time i saw it i thought how fucking disgusting that is

Its not priced in such a way that would incentivize that.

Literally, you gotta be out of your god damn mind to spend the $$$ for those buffs.

Literally.

Like, dad owns a newspaper (there was a rich guy on my live server back in the 2000s who was kicked from every guild and always made different character names and tried to hide who he was cus he was banned from every guild and his dad was like a billionare lol)

[Ekco]

targeting whales/people out of their mind is an entire industry practice now, and that was even before

>Star Citizen has raised over $800 million in crowdfunding

lot of fish in the sea, only need to catch a few.

[Cecily]

the dopamine hit from the entire server saying thanks in ooc when you did it was by design also

first time i saw it i thought how fucking disgusting that is
It's a super smart way to reinforce pay to win communism. Like the game feels unplayable when you're not running around with bard speed. So people bitch passive aggressively in global ooc, and cool rich guy sprinkles some money on the server and makes it better. Now you can buy this currency with plat and not spending any money on the server was totally sustainable, but it meant that at least 240 EoM / day (or whatever the actual figure is) had been for the volume of these buffs to occur at the rate that were occurring.

[Cecily]

And Quarm shut down? Lol good riddance. Fuck your unstable control freak staff.

[tunne]

And Quarm shut down? Lol good riddance. Fuck your unstable control freak staff.

so let's bring people back to blue...you know the way and what it costs...commit

[Irespectwomen]

And Quarm shut down? Lol good riddance. Fuck your unstable control freak staff.

lol, I did the 1 character 1 account thing impulsively and when I got my wife to play I got an IP exemption easily, then I attempted to get another account linked to that exemption and was given an extremely rude and offputting response.

They act like what they do is so important and so mentally taxing, the real mental illness is still on p99 these devs are fuckin whack. It's almost as uncanny as Shovels admiration for thj devs

[shovelquest]

targeting whales/people out of their mind is an entire industry practice now, and that was even before

>Star Citizen has raised over $800 million in crowdfunding

lot of fish in the sea, only need to catch a few.

talking abut targeting whales as an industry practice.

And then suggesting that the uys that worked 24 hours a day on something they love are doing that.

It takes a lot of karren level mental backflips to turn the guys who did this into "money grabbing preditors".

This is why i hate gen Z and the internet, they all act like everyone is trying to fuck them over.

[shovelquest]

It's a super smart way to reinforce pay to win communism. Like the game feels unplayable when you're not running around with bard speed. So people bitch passive aggressively in global ooc, and cool rich guy sprinkles some money on the server and makes it better. Now you can buy this currency with plat and not spending any money on the server was totally sustainable, but it meant that at least 240 EoM / day (or whatever the actual figure is) had been for the volume of these buffs to occur at the rate that were occurring.

Yes these guys were ike, MUHAHAHA i have an idea MUHAHAHA lets spend all our free time learning how to make a free game MUHAHAHA and it will be stolen (mod) lol MUHAHAHA

then ... we will trick people into donating for us MUHAHAHA! we will activiate their lizard brains by making others DEMAND the buff MUAHHA and then they will get endorophine rushes when they donate cus of /ooc MUHAHAHA

it's just absurd. This is they kind of "Im outraged. im being attacked! opressor oporessor!" bullshit that everyone who was raised by helleicotpor parents believe in today.

Did they make a mistake? Yes.

Did they fly to close to the sun? Yes.

Were they designing some elaborate hoax to prey on people?

NO NO NON O GODSUF)I(UR() {J@3 p5o2]-49iu24
\-U51I50

[Cecily]

so let's bring people back to blue...you know the way and what it costs...commit
P99 doesn't really make me happy. I've been listening to this woman on YouTube talk about cults for awhile, and I am considering whether or not guilds fit in the framework she lays out to meet her definition of a cult. I'm leaning towards yes. Basically high control groups centered around an idea or charismatic figure. Imagine a Shinko guild without Shinko. At best it's barely functional, but people who like Shinko like Shinko and that's enough glue to keep the barrel barge from sinking. I don't exactly thrive in those environments. I challenge dumb things and cults are about conformity. Not really trying to get back into one.

[Cecily]

EQ really just needs to join Brad imo. Hope Daybreak drops the axe on all emus.

[tunne]

P99 doesn't really make me happy.

why are you here then

[shovelquest]

The difference between a cult and a religion is the level of control that it holds over you.

One could argue that a guild has some kind of control over you because of DKP you invested into it, but.... idk. That is kind of a stretch because you can always delete the guild bank and ninja loot items and leave anytime you want.

[Cecily]

why are you here then
Who the fuck are you?

[shovelquest]

I definitly think video games cause violence and EQ should be a schedule 1 drug.

[Cecily]

The difference between a cult and a religion is the level of control that it holds over you.

One could argue that a guild has some kind of control over you because of DKP you invested into it, but.... idk. That is kind of a stretch because you can always delete the guild bank and ninja loot items and leave anytime you want.
It's a community and you can leave your communities any time you want. It's really hard to do because humans are social idiots and will stay somewhere harmful if they have connections there. Like to your point about DKP, yes 100% I remained in toxic situations because I had dragon bucks left over.

[tunne]

because I had dragon bucks left over.

this will kill your spirit

[Ekco]

P99 doesn't really make me happy. I've been listening to this woman on YouTube talk about cults for awhile, and I am considering whether or not guilds fit in the framework she lays out to meet her definition of a cult. I'm leaning towards yes. Basically high control groups centered around an idea or charismatic figure. Imagine a Shinko guild without Shinko. At best it's barely functional, but people who like Shinko like Shinko and that's enough glue to keep the barrel barge from sinking. I don't exactly thrive in those environments. I challenge dumb things and cults are about conformity. Not really trying to get back into one.

if you explained the application process to a guild like TMO 2.0 (or whatever era they finally let me in),
and the avg hours people track before burning out, i'm pretty sure it qualifies.

cult lite* maybe due to it being 100% transactional, but then i remember sticking up for what's his name behavior in RnF pretty hard.

so yeah

[Reiwa]

The difference between a cult and a religion is the level of control that it holds over you.

One could argue that a guild has some kind of control over you because of DKP you invested into it, but.... idk. That is kind of a stretch because you can always delete the guild bank and ninja loot items and leave anytime you want.

Wasn't the cult thing the flowers guild website? Notacult.tld

Nothing new under the sun.

[shovelquest]

Wasn't the cult thing the flowers guild website? Notacult.tld

Nothing new under the sun.

oh yea like notacult isnt that an old EQ meme?

https://www.notacult.com/

Guess its just mmos in general now?

[Reiwa]

oh yea like notacult isnt that an old EQ meme?

https://www.notacult.com/

Guess its just mmos in general now?

Everything else belongs to Notacult.com, which includes but is not limited to this: 8===D

it a drawing of a dick

[Ekco]

lude.

[Tann]

EQ really just needs to join Brad imo. Hope Daybreak drops the axe on all emus.

it's definitely possible that THJ's RMT lawsuit could bring about the end of all EQ emu's.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

EQ is not a cult. A cult holds irrational beliefs about a future reality, and a mythical past, as their main course. A cult does not simply "absorb your time" but in fact just ignores it, denies it has any value, really, by turning you into someone who thinks about fantasy pasts and fantasy futures, to hell with the present, like Trumpism.

EQ is more like a hobby, a really intense hobby. It's like what pickleball is for people who summer. They genuinely identify themselves as, "I am a (pickleball/everquest) player."

Don't be so negative, Cecily. We're all on the same barrel boat.

It's all chaotic good, sister friend.

[zelld52]

It's a community and you can leave your communities any time you want. It's really hard to do because humans are social idiots and will stay somewhere harmful if they have connections there. Like to your point about DKP, yes 100% I remained in toxic situations because I had dragon bucks left over.

wait didnt you get kicked out of your last guild on Green for toxic behavior on raids? And then realized no other guild wanted you, so you left?

listen, i agree with you about EQ for the most part. some guilds are like cults - but theres lots of normal, non-toxic players in P99 eq. they just dont post on forums.

also like 10% of each guild is hardcore p99ers that poopsock 16 hour windows and play 6+ hours a day, 7 days a week. the other 90% of the server pop is more casual.

[Cecily]

I got kicked for backstabbing an eye of zomm and the current leadership was too much of pussies to fight there's no rule against that. It was a good opportunity to quit. I like how you're like hostile then your tone changes to pseudofriendly but my take away is get fucked cunt. Shut up.

[Cecily]

EQ is not a cult. A cult holds irrational beliefs about a future reality, and a mythical past, as their main course. A cult does not simply "absorb your time" but in fact just ignores it, denies it has any value, really, by turning you into someone who thinks about fantasy pasts and fantasy futures, to hell with the present, like Trumpism.

EQ is more like a hobby, a really intense hobby. It's like what pickleball is for people who summer. They genuinely identify themselves as, "I am a (pickleball/everquest) player."

Don't be so negative, Cecily. We're all on the same barrel boat.

It's all chaotic good, sister friend.
It's a topic I'm I may revisit in its own thread and will try to adequately defend if I feel getting back into this FQ community. It's a hard thing to do, to go to ground zero for a special interest and be critical at all. Let me tell you I have not made a whole lot of feminist friends on Reddit. Far be it from me to criticize EQ. Who am I to suggest it's basically a harmful drug/gambling addiction and a cult? I agree I shouldn't do that.

[Cecily]

it's definitely possible that THJ's RMT lawsuit could bring about the end of all EQ emu's.
Private servers shouldn't exist at all imo. The fact people run entire MMO games while the IP holder is still operating is so deeply sketchy. There's been EQ, Lineage II, WoW private servers running for years and all those games still exist. Having a 3rd party make money off your product... seems insane that the whole concept hasn't been brutally shut down yet.

[Findlyn]

This is why i hate gen Z and the internet, they all act like everyone is trying to fuck them over.

Are you new to the world, not just the internet, in general? Everything and everyone, generally speaking, will fuck you over in this world if you don't CYA. If you dont think so, I could really use your help. I am a rich prince in Africa that needs your help getting access to my money, if you send me some ill pay you back with interest. Once i get my money ill come to America to sell you a Bridge cheap too for helping me out! Since we are such great guys just helping each other in this world.

The people who helped code THJ, i think largely didn't realize what they were going to do with this. Supposedly Secrets had a lot of help with the code base, and she had no idea it would be used in this way. This is a few individuals fucking others over for some cash. Story as old as time.

[Cecily]

Are you new to the world, not just the internet, in general? Everything and everyone, generally speaking, will fuck you over in this world if you don't CYA. If you dont think so, I could really use your help. I am a rich prince in Africa that needs your help getting access to my money, if you send me some ill pay you back with interest. Once i get my money ill come to America to sell you a Bridge cheap too for helping me out! Since we are such great guys just helping each other in this world.

The people who helped code THJ, i think largely didn't realize what they were going to do with this. Supposedly Secrets had a lot of help with the code base, and she had no idea it would be used in this way. This is a few individuals fucking others over for some cash. Story as old as time.
I've been ripped off by every single person I've trusted with my account in every MMO. Special exception: Eisley. I trust the one who has mine atm more than most, but it's been a troubling trend. For such a toxic person, I don't have the impulse to rip all the gear off people. Why are normal people so evil?

[cd288]

Bro, you know that THJ intends on taking this to court and hired a top tier IP lawyer right? Do you know what the ENTIRE premise of these retards defense is going to be?

"LOOK AT THAT EQEMU COMMUNITY IT HAS EXISTED FOR 15 YEARS AND DBG DID NOTHIGN TO PROTECT THEIR ASSETS FROM THEM"

That is going to be their defense. They did this as a cash grab at the expense of everything.

I don't know that we can speculate on what their defense will be. Could they mention P99? Maybe.

Would that be a good defense? Not at all. DBG negotiated an agreement with P99, which an IP holder is totally allowed to do without waiving their rights to enforce the IP against other infringers.

[Findlyn]

I've been ripped off by every single person I've trusted with my account in every MMO. Special exception: Eisley. I trust the one who has mine atm more than most, but it's been a troubling trend. For such a toxic person, I don't have the impulse to rip all the gear off people. Why are normal people so evil?

My best guess? Tribalism, we are nice to the people we know/like. However, we are also quick to "other" someone that is outside our proverbial "tribe". You add in taking the path of least resistance is the most likely path for any living thing and being nice and considerate is a lot harder than being an asshole sociopath. Sprinkle in some online anonymity, and it's a recipe for people who are social rejects to come together to make the 'normies' miserable. A game like EQ just really makes these things easily come together to make a toxic landscape if not moderated heavily.

[zelld52]

I got kicked for backstabbing an eye of zomm and the current leadership was too much of pussies to fight there's no rule against that. It was a good opportunity to quit. I like how you're like hostile then your tone changes to pseudofriendly but my take away is get fucked cunt. Shut up.

it took extremely low-effort prodding on my part to bring out your toxicity. you are a toxic person, clear as day. to say that you "stuck around toxic situations" even though you didnt want to is a fuckin LUL

[Cecily]

Lol I've been found out! I would say selectively toxic.

[shovelquest]

Private servers shouldn't exist at all imo. The fact people run entire MMO games while the IP holder is still operating is so deeply sketchy. There's been EQ, Lineage II, WoW private servers running for years and all those games still exist. Having a 3rd party make money off your product... seems insane that the whole concept hasn't been brutally shut down yet.

Mods have run along side of PC gaiming since before Gen Z was born.

[shovelquest]

Are you new to the world, not just the internet, in general? Everything and everyone, generally speaking, will fuck you over in this world if you don't CYA. If you dont think so, I could really use your help. I am a rich prince in Africa that needs your help getting access to my money, if you send me some ill pay you back with interest. Once i get my money ill come to America to sell you a Bridge cheap too for helping me out! Since we are such great guys just helping each other in this world.

The people who helped code THJ, i think largely didn't realize what they were going to do with this. Supposedly Secrets had a lot of help with the code base, and she had no idea it would be used in this way. This is a few individuals fucking others over for some cash. Story as old as time.

This is Gen Z in a nutshell "There is Nigerian prince scams" so that means "everyone is scamming me"

[Cecily]

Yes and mods are not clone of a full product. Don't get me wrong. I've certainly played my fair share of these servers and am grateful they've existed to burn my life years at a time; however, I like the idea of ephemeral things. If there was a 2 or 3 year period of my life that got devoted to playing EQ heavily and then switched to Lineage 2 for a couple years, I think that would be enough MMO addiction for a lifetime. The games would naturally die and people would move on with the memories. Private servers are necromancy and necromancy is reviled for a reason. Let the dead rest in peace.

[Findlyn]

This is Gen Z in a nutshell "There is Nigerian prince scams" so that means "everyone is scamming me"

Why are gen z such a boogie man to you? Btw I'm a baby Gen X'er. Youre like the people who try to demonize everything with "boomer" shit.

[Reiwa]

Why are gen z such a boogie man to you? Btw I'm a baby Gen X'er. Youre like the people who try to demonize everything with "boomer" shit.

Slave revolts are very dangerous.

[shovelquest]

Why are gen z such a boogie man to you? Btw I'm a baby Gen X'er. Youre like the people who try to demonize everything with "boomer" shit.

Because they are really, really dumb and have been told they are special and everything they do is right, and they let the world know it.

https://i.imgur.com/QOQLQ9g.png

[shovelquest]

Gen X raised Gen Z so it doesn't surprise me you're pearl clutching like a boomer about what a great job you did.

[Ekco]

Private servers shouldn't exist at all imo. The fact people run entire MMO games while the IP holder is still operating is so deeply sketchy. There's been EQ, Lineage II, WoW private servers running for years and all those games still exist. Having a 3rd party make money off your product... seems insane that the whole concept hasn't been brutally shut down yet.

in a perfect world it would only be IP that is actually "abandonware" in the sense they no longer care enough to spin a server up so a video game preservation argument can be made like the numerous mmorpgs currently that can only be played due to the emu scene

[Findlyn]

Gen X raised Gen Z so it doesn't surprise me you're pearl clutching like a boomer about what a great job you did.

Swing and yet another miss! Didn't have any kids. and Millennials were raised just as much on the everyone gets a participation trophy as Gen Z, so sounds a bit of projection issue you are having.

[zelld52]

in a perfect world it would only be IP that is actually "abandonware" in the sense they no longer care enough to spin a server up so a video game preservation argument can be made like the numerous mmorpgs currently that can only be played due to the emu scene

Cecily just mad that they burned all their bridges on p99

[Ekco]

nothing wrong with burning bridges if you actually mean it
>Captain Ramius: When he reached the New World, Cortez burned his ships. As a result, his men were well motivated.

i threw my VP key into Mount Doom then ran at Hosh when i was done playing.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The Vilnius schoolmaster has the last laugh today my friends.

[shovelquest]

Millennials were raised just as much on the everyone gets a participation trophy as Gen Z, so sounds a bit of projection issue you are having.

Yeah and millennials are little bitches that think phantom menace is a good movie.

[Cecily]

Name one better movie.

[shovelquest]

Name one better movie.

https://i.imgur.com/LiBkwEg.gif

[loramin]

Name one better movie.

New Hope.

[shovelquest]

I tried to get through the super cut someone made where they turned all 3 of those phantom menace movies into 1 movie out of the best parts

And within 10 minuets I had to turn it off it was so shitty still.

[Ciderpress]

The score is good. John Williams killed it again, it's just wasted on a dogshit set of movies.

Also when Quigon is fighting darth maul there's this really nice piece with a choir, but it sounds like the choir is singing "quigon, quigon, quigon, QUI-gon" which is hilarious

[shovelquest]

I will listen for that next time i rage watch it :D

[Ciderpress]

Private servers shouldn't exist at all imo. The fact people run entire MMO games while the IP holder is still operating is so deeply sketchy. There's been EQ, Lineage II, WoW private servers running for years and all those games still exist. Having a 3rd party make money off your product... seems insane that the whole concept hasn't been brutally shut down yet.

There's a difference when the ip holder expressly grants permission, in the case of p99. I don't see it as being much different than id software allowing and downright encouraging modding of their games.

[Ciderpress]

Making money is a separate issue, and p99 doesn't make money.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/AVy5Jw0.png

[Ciderpress]

Donations to pay server bills with no in-game compensation isn't making money. Making money means making profit.

[shovelquest]

THJ donations pay server bills too.

[Ciderpress]

Is that all they do? I honestly don't really have a dog in the fight, but the fact is they went after THJ while p99 has a written agreement. They aren't the same thing.

[shovelquest]

P99 has a written agreement because they were going to get shut down for exact same thing.

Thj and dog gonna come to one too imo. It’s just good business.

If they’re smart they’ll just put thjs server on the live server select and turn eom into krono.

Thj makes more money, DBH makes more money, and Norrath is at peace once again.

[Ciderpress]

If THJ negotiates a deal I think that's great, I'm not rooting against them

[Ciderpress]

Curious did shards of dalaya ever face similar issues? Cause that's heavily modified EQ also, I played there a lot like 15 years ago and the pop was roughly the same as p99.

[Ekco]

they heavily modified the IP out though, all the zones and items (mostly) were named other things.

[shovelquest]

I feel like EZ server has been online since almost as long as eq what is the story behind that server?

[Cecily]

It's basically THJ with a less compelling gimmick. Solo your way through EQ and get bored.

[Ekco]

EZ is great, learned a lot while getting 12 characters to run correctly.

[shovelquest]

It's basically THJ with a less compelling gimmick. Solo your way through EQ and get bored.

I have killed zeb like 100 times Im not even close to being bored! :(

[Cecily]

Talking about EZ. It's a cheap dopamine rush and you (I) burn(t) out quickly years and years ago. THJ has PoE build spectrum appeal so it's got more replay value. THJ really nailed the ARPG feel along with EZ's lol I'm killing Vox solo.

[Ekco]

EZ server turns into a literal korean mmo nightmare grind simulator i tapped out at Loping Planes, game actually starts at epic 5.5 and Abyss

everything before that is to filter out the casuals

[shovelquest]

Try t o kill Seru 4/4 and come back in a few weeks when and say "Ok that is impossible! what build should I try to do it?"

[shovelquest]

Spoiler: Seru is like a mid boss next to the Pop boss.

THJ is more like eldon ring, where things are easy, until you get to the boss, then it's extremely hard.

[shovelquest]

You think its easy, then you see a wizard kill a raid target with 1 button, and you have no idea what he did, what kind of insane math combo he did based on his knowledge of 3 totally different classes, their AAs and how to time their abilities.

I fi combo my warrior, paladin and monk abilities just right, I can do like 200k dps, but it took me like weeks to figure that out, let alone have the mental fortitude to do it while I'm taking 7k hits from Zeb.

I had to farm every aug off kera, legendary, every aug off seru, legendary, and combine them to make 1 aug and 1 shield.. It took like 2 months of farming.

Is that easy?

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/GuOmW4D.png

[Cecily]

Yes

[shovelquest]

Well like Tiggles said about classic everquest:

It's easy.

[Ekco]

then you see a wizard kill a raid target with 1 button, and you have no idea what he did, what kind of insane math combo he did based on his knowledge of 3 totally different classes, their AAs and how to time their abilities.

i love that stuff and suck horribly at it, i always feel bad netdecking in magic or looking up a build for PoE

wish the internet worked differently to drastically increase the barrier of entry of copying so you had to theory-craft yourself or card count an opponent to get their deck or ask someone in-game what the build was instead of websites that you can go to for a shortcut

better gameplay for everyone and this meme would be constantly happening.
https://i.imgur.com/EaHCd8J.gif

[Cecily]

I'm playing an ARPG called the Slormancer (didnt buy because that name for months) that has like 150 different weapons you can level. 8 different skills for 3 different classes and there's another skill tree with ancestral special abilities. All that stuff you can mix and match and refund and redo at will. The weapons and legendary gear with powerful effects come at you randomly over grinding so copying someone's build has a big barrier to entry, you just make what you have work. Very grindy. It's a good game and I like it.

[shovelquest]

Looks fun!

I like THJ because it is like playing a totaly different game, but it has all my favorite things in it:

EQ graphics.

EQ controls.

EQ spells.

What more can i ask for?!

[Cecily]

A different game lol

[Cecily]

Naw it's a great server. They lost me with the Sleeper / Seru aug quests though. As nice as the end rewards are, collect 20 ultrarare items off 16 hour spawn windows and combine them is not good quest design or respect for player's time.

[shovelquest]

You think so? I think the opposite.

Asking me to camp an item in 10 hour runs (classic eq) to get a good chance at an item is way more unfriendly than loging onto a game, running a DZ in like 10 minuets, and logging off until tommorow.

I like, I want to make a new character, but I don't have time to grind and play...

But I do have time to log in, down seru, down kera, and down zeb, and maybe a couple other elemental gods for a chance at a Crucible of Elements, then log off until tomorrow.

Takes me about 1hr to complete all my goals a day of playing. Which i find is pretty respectful of my time.

[shovelquest]

To be clear, that 1hr is SO FUN i LOVE playing the build I have and just fighting those gods.

I could do it over and over and over and over, I just love the gameplay so much!

I don't need no crucible of the elements! But.. I like killing the rathe council!

[Cecily]

Overall, the server supports efficient playtime. One of the things I really appreciated about it. Collect 20 things over 20 days (if you're incredibly lucky) or buy them is gross.

[shovelquest]

What the f else am I going to do with my time now that I beat the expansion?

I have a completely opposite take than you on that haha, I'm thrilled I have 20 days of gameplay with this character I built.

There is no difference between collecting the seru sword, and building an epic on p99.

It's just a THJ epic, really.

[Cecily]

I don't really wanna continue this topic, because you enjoy the thing you're playing. However, an epic would be a good analogy if the entire quest was kill your final epic boss as many times as it takes to 20 rare versions of 20 different items that come in 3 rarities. I don't think anyone would be singing praises of a game that did that for quest design. I maintain it's not great design. They get a pass for ALOT of good ideas. I don't think the "epic" qualifies.

[shovelquest]

I don't really wanna continue this topic, because you enjoy the thing you're playing. However, an epic would be a good analogy if the entire quest was kill your final epic boss as many times as it takes to 20 rare versions of 20 different items that come in 3 rarities. I don't think anyone would be singing praises of a game that did that for quest design. I maintain it's not great design. They get a pass for ALOT of good ideas. I don't think the "epic" qualifies.

Yeah i wish i had a million dollars too. But Im happy with what i got.

Would be cool if they had spread more aug drops around but look at the ammount of updates they put into the game. The amount of amazing things that are actually added to it, the features, the balancing, the class mechanics.

And you're like, "hey f you, you didn't do enough boss battles"

[shovelquest]

Also i would never, in a million years, describe an epic quest in the game I love more than IRL, as fun.

[shovelquest]

But i appreciate you letting me enjoy my thing, i agree they did test the limits with what can be done with a donation system in a mod. :p

[Irespectwomen]

We're going to have to send Shovel a wellness check when THJ gets shutdown.

[shovelquest]

We're going to have to send Shovel a wellness check when THJ gets shutdown.

It will prob be a net positive on my life :p

[shovelquest]

QkbLgcNz4fo

[Irespectwomen]

Lol, yea I feel that.

[shovelquest]

EKlWCoeWFik

[Drueric]

I tried out THJ the last few days. Its really quite lame. Its pathetically easy and there are zero consequences for dying. I would describe THJ as a ridiculous power fantasy. The kind of players that atttracts is not the kind of players that would enjoy normal eq or p99. They really arent going to hurt daybreak. if anything, THJ will weed out the shit players from legitimate normal EQ.

[Drueric]

Looks fun!

I like THJ because it is like playing a totaly different game, but it has all my favorite things in it:

EQ graphics.

EQ controls.

EQ spells.

What more can i ask for?!

Then why are you here. Are you here trying to convince people to go play THJ?

[shovelquest]

I tried out THJ the last few days. Its really quite lame. Its pathetically easy and there are zero consequences for dying. I would describe THJ as a ridiculous power fantasy. The kind of players that atttracts is not the kind of players that would enjoy normal eq or p99. They really arent going to hurt daybreak. if anything, THJ will weed out the shit players from legitimate normal EQ.

Its a video game bro.

[shovelquest]

Its a video game bro.

Then why are you here. Are you here trying to convince people to go play THJ?

because everquest is everquest

[Drueric]

Yet you feel the need to spam this forum instead of THJ

[shovelquest]

Yet you feel the need to spam this forum instead of THJ

you spam the forum cryin about it whats the dif.

[Findlyn]

EKlWCoeWFik

Regardless if DBG is running EQ into the ground. Fact is THJ violated IP laws, and I hope they get fucked for their brazen open monetization. "DBG BAD" is not a legal defense. As much as it may suck, whoever owns the IP is free to enforce or not enforce as they see fit. They were fine with the EQ Emu community cause no one was stupid enough to openly take money. Yeah there has always been rumors about behind the scenes stuff, but nothing ever proven.

Unlike THJ where you can calculate how much money they bring in, just based on as the buffs go out and how much it costs to maintain them. Even without the email, people were speculating before the document showed the email, they were pulling in at least 5 figures a month, up to or possibly over 30k even. So while the math might have been alittle off, THJ was always going to end up in DBGs sights.

Going to restate this caues I feel it needs to be done. As sad as it is, no matter how shit DBG is running EQ into the ground, its their right as an IP holder. You cant just violate IP's because you dont like the owner and what they are doing.

[F0rmsh1fter]

THF was better than thj tbqf

[Cecily]

I'm just mad there's nothing but clickbait titles on every video these days. TRUMP HAS MASSIVE BREAKDOWN 10 min video with some fucking nerd talking and it never ever lives up to the hype or the promised breakdown. It's lukewarm irritation at best, if the nerd even bothers to play a clip, and that's not entertaining. Same shit with the above video. Fuck your engagement farming. And fuck you.

[shovelquest]

What if DBG has been bluffing all this time about actual litigation with EMUs over their virtually dead game.

And THJ not backing down and going back at them just as hard is gonna have them just sell EQ to THJ lol

[Ekco]

>bluffing all this time about actual litigation
they have to do stuff for trademark law reasons iirc,

tl;dr but pretty sure it agreed with me
does "use it or lost it" apply to say for example the Everquest IP versus emulated servers
Yes, the principle of "use it or lose it" can apply to the EverQuest intellectual property (IP), particularly trademarks, in the context of emulated servers. However, it's more nuanced than a simple "use it or lose it" scenario.
Here's why and how it's relevant:

Trademark Dilution and Genericism: If a company allows widespread, unauthorized use of its trademarks without taking action, it risks the marks becoming diluted or even generic. If "EverQuest" becomes so widely used by unauthorized emulated servers that it loses its distinctiveness as a brand owned and controlled by Daybreak Game Company (the current IP holder), it could weaken their ability to enforce those trademark rights.
Copyright Infringement: Emulated servers often use copyrighted elements of the game, including the code, artwork, music, storylines, and characters, without authorization. While the "use it or lose it" principle primarily relates to trademarks, failing to enforce copyright against such widespread infringement can also weaken a company's overall position in protecting its IP.
Daybreak's Enforcement Actions: Daybreak Game Company has taken legal action against emulated EverQuest servers in the past, including the recent lawsuit against "The Heroes' Journey" (THJ). This demonstrates their intent to protect their IP and prevent the "use it or lose it" scenario from playing out.

Key Considerations

The Nature of Emulation: Emulated servers often recreate the game using the original game files and assets, raising clear issues of copyright infringement. According to Massively Overpowered, some servers operate with formal agreements with Daybreak, like Project 1999.
Monetization by Emulated Servers: Some emulated servers monetize their operations through donations or in-game purchases. This can further strengthen the argument that they are infringing on the official IP and competing with the legitimate product.
Protecting the Future of the Franchise: Daybreak's lawyers have argued that the existence of emulated servers, particularly those that are popular and well-established, threatens the "very existence of EverQuest itself", according to aftermath.site. This highlights the company's concern about the impact on their brand and ability to innovate and develop the franchise moving forward.

In Summary
While Daybreak Game Company might not face an immediate loss of trademark rights due to a single emulated server, continued and widespread unauthorized use without enforcement can certainly weaken their overall IP position. The recent legal actions demonstrate that Daybreak understands the importance of enforcing their IP rights to protect the EverQuest franchise, especially against projects perceived as direct competitors or those generating revenue from the unauthorized use of their assets.

[shovelquest]

Well doing this stuff, is not the same as going to court if THJ says, "ok lets go to court!"

[Reiwa]

I'm just mad there's nothing but clickbait titles on every video these days. TRUMP HAS MASSIVE BREAKDOWN 10 min video with some fucking nerd talking and it never ever lives up to the hype or the promised breakdown. It's lukewarm irritation at best, if the nerd even bothers to play a clip, and that's not entertaining. Same shit with the above video. Fuck your engagement farming. And fuck you.

My newsfeed is just like this, but about fighter jets.

[Naethyn]

Stupid

[Ekco]

My newsfeed is just like this, but about fighter jets.

based.

[Duik]

So trump is a fighter jet? I dont get it.
Apparently I'm immune to the metaphor.

Also. Lulz. My uncle was a uni professor (true) he taught someone who totally bombed out of college. 10 yrs after he died...
Stability of geniuses can be measured. Just sayen.
Also didnt bomb out of college. Just bombed.

Lulz.

[Drueric]

So trump is a fighter jet? I dont get it.
Apparently I'm immune to the metaphor.

Also. Lulz. My uncle was a uni professor (true) he taught someone who totally bombed out of college. 10 yrs after he died...
Stability of geniuses can be measured. Just sayen.
Also didnt bomb out of college. Just bombed.

Lulz.

No, Trump identifies as an attack helicopter

[Findlyn]

trump identifies as whatever he needs to be, so he can grift his base more.

[Cecily]

I identify as a successful business man.

[Findlyn]

I identify as a successful business man.

can't tell if joke or not, due to forums we are in. His books are great tho, they are always nice and short, most never get to chapter 12.

[shovelquest]

trump identifies as whatever he needs to be, so he can grift his base more.

Is it my fault he's capable of doing and knowing everything perfectly?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

How hard is it to get beyond the reach of what DBG can reasonably seek compliance by legal means? If you emu server is located in San Diego, that is one scenario.

The fjords of Norway?

A certain 7th fleet seaman with access to the bounteous servers?

Get this operation at sea, sky's the limit.

[Cecily]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Rose_Island

[shovelquest]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Rose_Island

We shall call this floating everquest city, The Queen of Thorns.

In EverQuest, "The Queen of Thorns" refers to a large, city-like ship located in the Abysmal Sea zone. It serves as a hub for various quests and activities, including those related to the Omens of War expansion. The ship is also the location for certain NPCs like Yitimis Groglenog and Glirina Morningbloom.

[Ekco]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Rose_Island

best thing about micronations are their radio stations

jByC5mzgkes

https://sealandgov.org/en-us/collections/titles/products/becoming-a-lord-or-lady?variant=44774391841065

and titles for purchase

[shovelquest]

Why are they nuking the smallest country in that thumbnail? :p

[Reiwa]

Why are they nuking the smallest country in that thumbnail? :p

Every day the nuclear fireball rises on the horizon.

[Cecily]

best thing about micronations are their radio stations

jByC5mzgkes

https://sealandgov.org/en-us/collections/titles/products/becoming-a-lord-or-lady?variant=44774391841065

and titles for purchase


"Michael was back to firing on passerby ships later that spring." Lol I love this story.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

best thing about micronations are their radio stations



and titles for purchase

I literally recently just watched a video about one of those that continued to become more dilapidated until it finally collapsed into the sea killing everyone on board

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

^
This was it. Sad but interesting story for those interested in the dark and morbid like me. The crew on the tower knew they were doomed :(

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dkOpwh5M3WE

[Ekco]

^https://i.imgur.com/eL1Trih.png @ that thumbnail

[zelld52]

i know reading is tough for most here but heres the most recent filing from 7/16 from DBG

https://www.scribd.com/document/889955351/Prelim-injunction-motion-via-Aftermath

DBG brings up good points in this argument. they have a strong case.

[shovelquest]

What's the good points, mods and emus are copywrite infringement and if they want they can shut it down?

[shovelquest]

Also why do legal documents always look like they were scanned onto the internet by a fax machine?

[zelld52]

What's the good points, mods and emus are copywrite infringement and if they want they can shut it down?

Yeah, pretty much.

Difference with THJ comes down to 3 factors though:

a) They customized the content, building off Daybreak's existing IP to create a new game experience
b) They were wildly successful with 26k+ in their Discord
c) They took donations, which DBG claims are really for profit, revenue generation rather than donations for a "pet project"

[zelld52]

"the defendants systematically modified Daybreak's copyrighted material to offer a competing service that relies entirely on Daybreak's intellectual property"

that's hard to argue against as THJ, or any emulated server.

[zelld52]

Besides to say "we weren't competing, our intention wasn't to compete"

But how do you prove that? Hope we all find out. I love REAL LawyerQuest

[zelld52]

https://www.scribd.com/document/889955350/Daybreak-vs-THJ-via-Aftermath-filing

Another filing from DBG lawyer quoting people saying they will never go back to Live EQ after playing THJ.

[zelld52]

Multiple posts in a row, but you can't edit RnF so fuckit.

THJ really shot themselves in the foot by implementing all the changes that Live EQ players wanted. They created a space where people who were tired of the same old TLP Experience could go and feel like they had a game made just for them.

Man, it really sucks to build something that people like. DBG probably gonna win this case, and will probably implement THJ changes in future servers.

[shovelquest]

https://www.scribd.com/document/889955350/Daybreak-vs-THJ-via-Aftermath-filing

Another filing from DBG lawyer quoting people saying they will never go back to Live EQ after playing THJ.

Haha Im sure the actual quotes are, "if DBG shuts down THJ i will never go back to live EQ"

Because people were saying that like crazy, and THJ was like, "dont say that, it doesnt help the case"

But users were like, "ill burn the damn place down!"

[shovelquest]

Multiple posts in a row, but you can't edit RnF so fuckit.

THJ really shot themselves in the foot by implementing all the changes that Live EQ players wanted. They created a space where people who were tired of the same old TLP Experience could go and feel like they had a game made just for them.

Man, it really sucks to build something that people like. DBG probably gonna win this case, and will probably implement THJ changes in future servers.

Eh, its ok. It will suck if DBG shuts it down, but nothing about modding has ever been forever to me. T his was always a dream come true—and this is real life not a dream.

DBG has to win this case, it's cut and dry IMO. It's their IP. If they want THJ or any mod shut down, then it should be shut down.

Im still holding out hope that DBG makes so little with EQ compared to costs that going to court for it would be a net loss even if they won, so they just give up if one of these EMUs actually wants to fight them.

[Naethyn]

Blue is forever.

[Drueric]

https://www.scribd.com/document/889955350/Daybreak-vs-THJ-via-Aftermath-filing

Another filing from DBG lawyer quoting people saying they will never go back to Live EQ after playing THJ.

Trust me, you dont want those people to come back. They are a cancer on gaming in general.

[Drueric]

Multiple posts in a row, but you can't edit RnF so fuckit.

THJ really shot themselves in the foot by implementing all the changes that Live EQ players wanted. They created a space where people who were tired of the same old TLP Experience could go and feel like they had a game made just for them.

Man, it really sucks to build something that people like. DBG probably gonna win this case, and will probably implement THJ changes in future servers.

What THJ did for those "players" was the equivalent of giving candy to babies. Sure they like it, but its not good for them.

DBG are the adults and is a ganme for adults. I say let the babies go have their THJ server. Classic eq is better off without them.

[Drueric]

Not just candy, but THJ game them the entire candy store. They are spoiled rotten.

[loramin]

Imagine caring about how someone else plays a game so much that you post about it in a different game's forum.

[zelld52]

Not just candy, but THJ game them the entire candy store. They are spoiled rotten.

It's a different mentality, which is why I play on p99 and had no interest in THJ - but to someone like me, I can't understand the joy of playing a game basically in God mode.

The grind of classic EQ is what makes me enjoy the progression and achievments so much. To each their own, I suppose.

[shovelquest]

Its not god mode you guys lol.

Once again, I can assure you: None of you would ever be able to solo zeb or even seru.

[shovelquest]

*plays classic everquest during Planes of power, with 10 plat planes of power loot on merchants.

"thISg gAmeE Is IEasAY!"

[shovelquest]

Also tiggles was right. Eq is not a hard game. It’s easy.

I hated him for saying that.

But he was telling the truth.

[Cecily]

How bad did that man hurt you? It's gotta be at least 13 years now.

[Swish]

Also tiggles was right. Eq is not a hard game. It’s easy.

I hated him for saying that.

But he was telling the truth.

I think you'll find its a game of reputation.

[shovelquest]

How bad did that man hurt you? It's gotta be at least 13 years now.

what are you talkn about?

I said he was right?

Should ask yourself, why did whatever PTDSd you have kick in by hearing his name?

[shovelquest]

I think you'll find its a game of reputation.

:D:D:D

[Cecily]

Tiggles was my friend. Sounds like you're a victim in recovery.

[shovelquest]

Uh, there is not one negative thing being said there.

Why do trans people make up everything in the universe and believe it?

[Cecily]

Uh, there is not one negative thing being said there.

Why do trans people make up everything in the universe and believe it?
Oh I get it. You're roleplaying a weirdo.

[shovelquest]

I didn't say anything negative about tiggles, why are you crying?

[Cecily]

I thought it was strange you're quoting a perfectly trite sentiment from a guy who played here a decade ago. I ran with the inference that maybe he was his typical sadistic self and scarred you somehow based on the "as much as hated him" part. Sorry if I misread that. Anyways what in the autism spectrum does the trans thing mean?

[shovelquest]

Why would it be strange, I made it perfectly clear:

A man named tiggles.
once said ever quest was easy.
I hated him for saying that.
but he was telling the truth.

As for the secondary statement, Im just really getting sick and tired of shit im reading about online and i happened to read a really fucking stupid statement about a franchise I really like being made from a large community that seems to always bitch about everything and they seem to constantly be making up all these reasons that people are attacking them and im sick and tired of it. Im sick and tired of being made like Ive made some insult or attack against your personal lifestyle or wahtever for litreally fucking COMPLEMENTING something your "friend" said.

And I snaped and said something I couldnt edit out of this STUPID SHITTY part of the forums that doesnt have an edit button.

[Cecily]

Oh have you thought about seeking help with a mental health professional?

[shovelquest]

Have you?

[Cecily]

Anyways, that sounds super frustrating. I want you to know that there's so many other men out there suffering and you're not alone. I hope things improve. Just try to focus on the things you can control.

[shovelquest]

Lots of women are suffering from it too. But thanks.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

STUPID SHITTY part of the forums

[Reiwa]

Anyways, that sounds super frustrating. I want you to know that there's so many other men out there suffering and you're not alone. I hope things improve. Just try to focus on the things you can control.

q2_k_I3ETWA

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/D5Sxwro.png

https://i.imgur.com/PA4GTzw.png