SK Race Choice

[Toxigen]

I think Dark Elf SKs look cool. Does anyone else think Dark Elf Sks look cool?

hell yeah

its def dark elf or erudite for fashion award

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I still think male Trolls look best. They have great armor textures, and they have the best animation set in the game. For some reason the animator for male trolls just did a better job than all the other animators. SK's are evil, and Trolls look evil.

[svelto]

I still think male Trolls look best. They have great armor textures, and they have the best animation set in the game. For some reason the animator for male trolls just did a better job than all the other animators. SK's are evil, and Trolls look evil.

Except when I'm already running and click my jboots. Such an odd animation until it finishes.

I know that's not really what you're talking about but...

Anyway, I recently decided to try an SK again since I never really made it very far in the past, and I decided to go Troll this time.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Anyway, I recently decided to try an SK again since I never really made it very far in the past, and I decided to go Troll this time.

Good choice! You're going to have fun.

[Swish]

I think Dark Elf SKs look cool. Does anyone else think Dark Elf Sks look cool?

https://media.tenor.com/oxzGONK8Gb8AAAAM/thumb-up-thumb-up-eating.gif

Always enjoyed my DE SKs, despite knowing I'm somewhat HP deficient etc and struggling on trash raid mobs more than my troll/ogre pals.

[busted]

Frontal stun immunity + FD/drains are amazing.

Be fat. Skelly form to hide your shame.

This is the way.

Welcome to Ogre

[ceaselessfuture]

How bad is a Human SK? Of the non-OP races (Ogre/Troll/Iksar), they actually seem like the best option. Would there be a significant problem being one that anyone can think of? I literally never hear anyone talk about them, good or bad.

I just want to make a RedHeadFreckleFace.female SK okay?

[Snaggles]

How bad is a Human SK? Of the non-OP races (Ogre/Troll/Iksar), they actually seem like the best option. Would there be a significant problem being one that anyone can think of? I literally never hear anyone talk about them, good or bad.

I just want to make a RedHeadFreckleFace.female SK okay?

They look very cool and besides Iksars are the only medium SK race that can use a Frostreaver. Also, no xp penalty is nice.

[real_sauga_yoot]

How bad is a Human SK? Of the non-OP races (Ogre/Troll/Iksar), they actually seem like the best option. Would there be a significant problem being one that anyone can think of? I literally never hear anyone talk about them, good or bad.

I just want to make a RedHeadFreckleFace.female SK okay?

Fashion wise? Decent fashion. #1 or #2 looking velious custom helm (if you can't get a CoN). Decent animations. Stats wise completely irrelevant. The blindness can get cured via some cheap items or ultravision at lvl 49.

[Stroboo]

My reheadfreckleface.female is mage and I love her! Crown of Narandi has no graphic :)

[busted]

Human SK's are rarer than female iksars.

You will be unique and everyone will applaud your choice. You won't be able to see them clapping at night though.

[WarpathEQ]

Human SK's are rarer than female iksars.

You will be unique and everyone will applaud your choice. You won't be able to see them clapping at night though.

When I see someone roll a human I just shake my head like who actually rolls human? People literally wait until Kunark to roll monks because that's how much they don't want to be human.

What are you going to do roleplay your way into divorce or bankruptcy? Be a racist? Go around Norrath dancing on OBS?

[Snaggles]

When I see someone roll a human I just shake my head like who actually rolls human? People literally wait until Kunark to roll monks because that's how much they don't want to be human.

What are you going to do roleplay your way into divorce or bankruptcy? Be a racist? Go around Norrath dancing on OBS?

Most people are trendy. There is nothing wrong with human monks or human SK’s. Humans also don’t have a broken 2hs swing animation. 8hp/tick standing regen for a 20% xp penalty? What a deal…

[ceaselessfuture]

Be a racist?

Sounds like filthy Dark Elf and Iksar sympathizer talk.

[Swish]

This is arguably one of the most racist games ever released.

[Toxigen]

This is arguably one of the most racist games ever released.

idk man erudite highest int sounds pretty equitable to me

[RobotGraveyard]

Erudite for fashion.
https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Steelsilk_cazic.jpg

[real_sauga_yoot]

Erudite for fashion.
https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Steelsilk_cazic.jpg

Ya, that's pretty ugly.

[spoil]

Granted I've only ever played troll in illusion form on my enchanters, but I they think look pretty cool and have some nice animations. That's why I'm glad I picked pally for my knight, much less agonizing race selection.

[Ennewi]

In terms of flavor, human allows for the purest version of any given class. It is what it is and nothing else. Also, in a fantasy setting, anything unremarkable/mundane creates an interesting contrast.

[Sizar]

My SK is Human, no regerts. Not a single letter

[Duik]

^ Hehe

[ceaselessfuture]

My SK is Human, no regerts. Not a single letter

trendy racist detected

[Toxigen]

trendy racist detected

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[ceaselessfuture]

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someone's been skimming posts!

[greatdane]

In the game from which Brad McQuaid copied almost everything when he made EQ (SojournMUD, since renamed TorilMUD), shadowknights (there called anti-paladins) were only allowed to be human. (http://www.grokh.com/todrael/guides/antipaladin.html) As such, it is the morally correct choice. Only humans have the concept of knighthood. It's the original D&D-based canon that EQ plagiarized wholesale.

But human isn't mechanically optimal. Ogre is, unless you play SSF, and then it's troll or iksar.

Mechanically, human is shit. Canonically, it should have been the only eligible race. I went with human, but ogre is just better.

[Snaggles]

Casually geared the small races lack a lot of stamina and strength. Capping Str with just focus isn’t easy.

In the end though an aggro tank just needs hit points/ac and passable resists. Plus with p99 it’s rare to find someone with just one character so swapping to a different more optimized character is often an option.

With a knight I’d selfishly play whatever race you want. In the end, they all do the job and for raiding often aren’t the best character to bring.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Casually geared the small races lack a lot of stamina and strength. Capping Str with just focus isn’t easy.

In the end though an aggro tank just needs hit points/ac and passable resists. Plus with p99 it’s rare to find someone with just one character so swapping to a different more optimized character is often an option.

With a knight I’d selfishly play whatever race you want. In the end, they all do the job and for raiding often aren’t the best character to bring.

If you have a Shaman who is giving you focus, you can get maniacal strength too. That is 135 STR from both. Lowest SK starting strength is 70, so 205 STR before gear. It's easy to get 50 STR on tank gear.

Shouldn't be an issue with buff limit either.
1. Junk
2. Junk
3. Junk
4. Junk
5. Focus of Spirit
6. Aegolism
7. Divine Strength
8. Maniacal Strength
9. Mortal Deftness
10. Haste
11. MR Buff
12. FR Buff
13. CR Buff
14. Clarity

Avatar would be better obviously, but you'd probably need a primal, since Shamans will be Avataring the Rogues.

[spoil]

In the game from which Brad McQuaid copied almost everything when he made EQ (SojournMUD, since renamed TorilMUD)

How did enchanters play on the mud? Mez, lull, memblur, charm, etc.

[greatdane]

How did enchanters play on the mud? Mez, lull, memblur, charm, etc.

There was no concept of lull and memblur since a MUD doesn't really work like that, but enchanters' main function was sleep (i.e. mez), haste, charm, and casting stoneskin on tanks (or whoever) which absorbed a lot of damage, like the rune line in EQ but stronger. Same general role as in EQ, but there was no mana, spell memorization worked like in D&D, so no clarity. Basically, imagine if enchanters in EQ didn't have clarity but the rune spells were five times stronger.

[RobotGraveyard]

Ya, that's pretty ugly.

Oh. Never seen High Elf velious armor I guess with the wing suit attachements.

[spoil]

There was no concept of lull and memblur since a MUD doesn't really work like that

Wait, there was no such thing as aggro in the game EQ was completely ripped off from?

[greatdane]

Wait, there was no such thing as aggro in the game EQ was completely ripped off from?

There is aggro, there just isn't any such thing as a mob aggro radius that can be reduced because it's not a 3D graphical game.

[busted]

Back to original topic. Ogre is the best.

Gnome would be the best but I don't know if we will see this on p99. A boy can dream

[enjchanter]

This topic shouldn't have more than 1 page of responses

[Swish]

This topic shouldn't have more than 1 page of responses

Thanks for adding to page 54.

[ceaselessfuture]

This topic shouldn't have more than 1 page of responses

i disagree

[Salaryman]

i disagree

same, the top tier pvp class (although I played a paladin and was the number 1 pvper on RED99; the best pvp server that ever was) should have atleast 1000 pages of discussion, especialy considering pvp servers, RED99 in particular are the only servers that matter.

My issue is that if harm touch/lay on hands doesnt refresh logged out it kinda makes the both classes alot less usefull and alot less casual friendly.

In mass pvp (battles of 25-200 people)the only thing I saw SKs do is lifetap and harmtouch and pet, melee was kinda too chaotic is out dps those spells.

That makes int the most important stat, ogres also good to stop stuns. Infact the only calss I couldnt kill on mmy paladin was an ogre SK.

[busted]

My issue is that if harm touch/lay on hands doesnt refresh logged out it kinda makes the both classes alot less usefull and alot less casual friendly.


That would be awesome but crazy OP. You could just log out and come back when lay of hands back and be a beast.

Also Harm touch needs to be unresistable by everything but raid mobs. I had a blue geonid in wakening lands resist my HT the other day WITH the harmtouch disc on... WTF mate.

Infact the only calss I couldnt kill on mmy paladin was an ogre SK.

CASE CLOSED. OGRE SK IS SUPREME LEADER OF THE LAND

[greatdane]

That would be awesome but crazy OP. You could just log out and come back when lay of hands back and be a beast.

Uh... to what end? Soloing a mob every 72 minutes or however long it is? There's nothing overpowered about it. It's the way it actually works/worked in live EQ. At no point was it ever problematic. There's nothing "crazy OP" about it. It's not as if these abilities let you do anything spectacular, nor is it even slightly beneficial to fucking log out for over an hour. That's literally the very worst thing one can possibly do in terms of leveling, farming, scoring kills in PvP, or any other kind of activity really.

[busted]

Uh... to what end?

Attack a mob you couldn't kill without LoH, use LoH, kill mob. Sit/camp. Play an alt for 72min, come back and repeat. Over and over. OP. Hombre.

[Snaggles]

Attack a mob you couldn't kill without LoH, use LoH, kill mob. Sit/camp. Play an alt for 72min, come back and repeat. Over and over. OP. Hombre.

If LoH is the difference between killing and not killing something a change in method is needed. You can root and heal yourself, and recover mana way faster than 72 minutes.

[Toxigen]

Attack a mob you couldn't kill without LoH, use LoH, kill mob. Sit/camp. Play an alt for 72min, come back and repeat. Over and over. OP. Hombre.

nobody does this

[DeathsSilkyMist]

nobody does this

If LoH is the difference between killing and not killing something a change in method is needed. You can root and heal yourself, and recover mana way faster than 72 minutes.

Agreed. LoH and Harmtouch are not pivotal enough to base a farming strategy around, unless you are camping a named mob with a long enough timer that you get them back every time, and it tips the scales in your favor.

For normal XPing, killing 1 mob every 72 minutes would take a very long time to level, even if the mob provides a bit more XP due to it being a bit higher level.

[Toxigen]

loh and HT are "oh shit" buttons, a last ditch save attempt at best

i suppose you could make a case for super end game solo artist attempt stuff too...like when you're full BiS and trying to do dumb shit an enchanter in rags could do with ease

[Salaryman]

you bluebies are forgeting about the most valuable pvp mechanic, pluging during loading screens to avoid pvp.

On RED99, the only server that matters, all the top pvpers spend the majority of their time logged out, and pt/lay doesnt refresh during this adrenaline pumping offtime, n00bs.

I have Guardian Robe and a Big Frigid Gat on RED99 btw.

[Toxigen]

you bluebies are forgeting about the most valuable pvp mechanic, pluging during loading screens to avoid pvp.

On RED99, the only server that matters, all the top pvpers spend the majority of their time logged out, and pt/lay doesnt refresh during this adrenaline pumping offtime, n00bs.

I have Guardian Robe and a Big Frigid Gat on RED99 btw.

drugs

[busted]

nobody does this

Yeah because you have to be in game for them to recharge.

If that wasn't the case, you could farm mobs you might not otherwise kill. Like a chardok mob for example. Pop in, kill, set timer, come back in 72min, hope named is up and no one has killed it yet.

[Salaryman]

Yeah because you have to be in game for them to recharge.

If that wasn't the case, you could farm mobs you might not otherwise kill. Like a chardok mob for example. Pop in, kill, set timer, come back in 72min, hope named is up and no one has killed it yet.

they dont even play the game they just afk in the efp tunnnel in full ntov and post on the forums telling new players not to play red so the newbies can waste their time like they did.

[Toxigen]

someones mad nobody wants to play on his dead-like-duck server

[Sonark]

I mean, for being such a pedantic person that has to be right all the time about everything, it's weird he doesn't see the very strong irony in continually arguing that Fungi over Vindi BP doesn't matter, and yet will die on every single other hill imaginable if he's right by an amount that doesn't matter.

Technically correct, the best KIND of correct.

[Cecily]

Are we arguing about that now? I use fungi for solo and Vindi if im getting healed. Hope this helps.

[Cecily]

same, the top tier pvp class (although I played a paladin and was the number 1 pvper on RED99; the best pvp server that ever was) should have atleast 1000 pages of discussion, especialy considering pvp servers, RED99 in particular are the only servers that matter.

My issue is that if harm touch/lay on hands doesnt refresh logged out it kinda makes the both classes alot less usefull and alot less casual friendly.

In mass pvp (battles of 25-200 people)the only thing I saw SKs do is lifetap and harmtouch and pet, melee was kinda too chaotic is out dps those spells.

That makes int the most important stat, ogres also good to stop stuns. Infact the only calss I couldnt kill on mmy paladin was an ogre SK.
I'm pretty sure timers are supposed to tick down offline but Rogean decided they didn't one day and it's been frozen offline for years now. I know I've heard about SKs logging on to HT people and logging off for refresh.

[magnetaress]

Dark elf female duh.

[Dundrige]

Erudite is best for both Paladin & Shadowknight. Closest thing to Jedis and Siths this game has.

[Toxigen]

Erudite is best for both Paladin & Shadowknight. Closest thing to Jedis and Siths this game has.

best argument so far

i went human paladin Rodcet Nife to RP as a rasta reggae healer mon

human max cha pretty good for pallymon too

[WarpathEQ]

best argument so far

i went human paladin Rodcet Nife to RP as a rasta reggae healer mon

human max cha pretty good for pallymon too

Wouldn't that be a shaman? Paladin seems like more of a roman catholic type.

Healing comes from dee herbs mahn, not the sky or your stone shrines

[Toxigen]

Wouldn't that be a shaman? Paladin seems like more of a roman catholic type.

Healing comes from dee herbs mahn, not the sky or your stone shrines

I played off the soulfire thing...chars name is Rastafire Soulfari.

Was better in the days where Soulfire could be MQ'd.

Its 2024 I can identify as a Rasta Pallymon.

[Sweeper41]

The Blood Ember clickies are great mana savers, and are better than Greenmist in terms of utility. Stacking the procs on Epic and Greenmist is not worth it unless you get the extremely lucky scenario where both proc within 6 seconds of each other.

Troll is the better option between the two regen races due to being able to use Blood Ember. Obviously if you really like Iksar and want to play one, go for it. You won't be screwed. You will just have more down time due to medding while soloing 45+.

Blood Ember Greaves are also useful outside of just mana saving. Having a free FD can save you in any situation where you don't have enough mana to FD. Before level 60 Blood Ember Greaves are your only method of FDing multiple times in a row after a failure, due to the standard FD having a fairly long refresh timer. When you hit level 60 you get Death's Peace, which is a fast refresh FD with increased chance of success. But it does cost 120 mana instead of 60, so the pants are still good at saving mana whenever you don't need to cast it.

this dude always shitting on iksars. Greenmist is worth more then your gimp blood ember gloves and pants. 25Mr is nothing to ignore and if you know how to manage your mana you will never need those pants for panic FD's. If your trying to FD at 2% hp and having to swap pants to do it you already screwed up. You FD early enough to have time for another change or mem both Fd and Death Peace. I have never had both fail back to back. and I have never had mana issues because I don't play a dumb race like troll or ogre. Never needed blood ember and it isn't required to be a successful SK.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

this dude always shitting on iksars. Greenmist is worth more then your gimp blood ember gloves and pants. 25Mr is nothing to ignore and if you know how to manage your mana you will never need those pants for panic FD's. If your trying to FD at 2% hp and having to swap pants to do it you already screwed up. You FD early enough to have time for another change or mem both Fd and Death Peace. I have never had both fail back to back. and I have never had mana issues because I don't play a dumb race like troll or ogre. Never needed blood ember and it isn't required to be a successful SK.

Blood Ember is better than Greenmist. You'll find replacement weapons for Greenmist eventually. There are better ratio raid weapons, and you can get Axe of Resistance or Silver Whip of Rage if you want a 1h resistance weapon.

You'll always use Blood Ember pants and gauntlets, there are no replacements for them via raid gear. I keep my blood ember pants on all the time and use them to save mana whenever regular FD or Deaths Peace isn't needed.

[Jimjam]

I keep my blood ember pants on all the time

I’m the opposite. I call mine my ‘fall down pants’. I imagine each time I use them their belt gives, they fall to my (character’s) ankles, tripping him over and apparently killing him in a really slapstick fashion.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I’m the opposite. I call mine my ‘fall down pants’. I imagine each time I use them their belt gives, they fall to my (character’s) ankles, tripping him over and apparently killing him in a really slapstick fashion.

Lol that makes sense. The mob is so confused by what happened they assume you are dead.