It's official: Riot is done.

[Croco]

Don't forget about the Dain lull pull.

Can you link me to where it says lull pulling is against the rules?

Talk about false narratives.

[Samoht]

Can you link me to where it says lull pulling is against the rules?

This oughta cover it for you:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2261052&postcount=3

[Tunabros]

I don't play rn but riot seems to get crushed like sasha grey on tour in nigeria

What's going on there atm ?

lol

[Twochain]

get over it jesius

[Nutsax]

This oughta cover it for you:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2261052&postcount=3

I know you struggle with reading comprehension but that is from the thread:
ToV & King Tormax/Statue SPECIFIC rules

[Nutsax]

Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Who is the former member?

[Croco]

I know you struggle with reading comprehension but that is from the thread:
ToV & King Tormax/Statue SPECIFIC rules

Not to mention later in that thread all those rules were scrapped and ended.

There is no current rule outlawing lull pulling anywhere, dain included.

[Tunabros]

I swear you guys are always giving <Riot> shit

talk about rent free

haven't seen a forum post from a riot member talking shit to <Vanquish> yet

[Samoht]

Not to mention later in that thread all those rules were scrapped and ended.

There is no current rule outlawing lull pulling anywhere, dain included.

I've provided proof that lull pulling is against the rules. Your turn to provide documentation to support your claim.

[Whale biologist]

I've provided proof that lull pulling is against the rules. Your turn to provide documentation to support your claim.

Why the hell would lull pulling be against the rules?

Next you're gonna tell me pickpocketing is a PnP violation. :rolleyes:

[Croco]

I've provided proof that lull pulling is against the rules. Your turn to provide documentation to support your claim.

Wrong.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2541301&postcount=9

6/16/2017 Removed all ToV, Tormax, and Statue rules.

[Nutsax]

I've provided proof that lull pulling is against the rules. Your turn to provide documentation to support your claim.

You are special.

[Nutsax]

Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Who is the former Vanquish member?

[Samoht]

Why the hell would lull pulling be against the rules?

Next you're gonna tell me pickpocketing is a PnP violation. :rolleyes:

You're free to click the link. I'll quote it for you.

to clarify -

Foot race FTEs does not mean targeting through walls with BS and FTEing with lull or anything else. This goes against the entire spirit, and purpose of why the rule exists.

Continuing to do this will result in a raid suspension for your guild.

The problem is that it just eliminates foot races because there's no LoS restrictions on lull.

Wrong.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2541301&postcount=9

I'm not sure what this post has to do with foot race rules. As noted above, it's not a Tov, Tormax, Statue, or Dain specific rule. It's a foot race rule.

Also the word wrong seems really out of place here. Was I wrong that you did not cite your claim that the rule had been removed? Seems like you didn't before, and you still haven't now.

[Nutsax]

You're free to click the link. I'll quote it for you.



The problem is that it just eliminates foot races because there's no LoS restrictions on lull.



I'm not sure what this post has to do with foot race rules. As noted above, it's not a Tov, Tormax, Statue, or Dain specific rule. It's a foot race rule.

Also the word wrong seems really out of place here. Was I wrong that you did not cite your claim that the rule had been removed? Seems like you didn't before, and you still haven't now.

Yes you are wrong, it's not his fault you can't read. Now stop being stupid.

[Nutsax]

Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Over 24 hours and all you knowitall cucks in Trainquish can't answer this simple question......

Who is the former member?

[Samoht]

KRIOT elf lawyers on suicide watch after Nibblewitz murders their families. Rofl.

[Croco]

You're free to click the link. I'll quote it for you.



The problem is that it just eliminates foot races because there's no LoS restrictions on lull.



I'm not sure what this post has to do with foot race rules. As noted above, it's not a Tov, Tormax, Statue, or Dain specific rule. It's a foot race rule.

Also the word wrong seems really out of place here. Was I wrong that you did not cite your claim that the rule had been removed? Seems like you didn't before, and you still haven't now.

I'm sorry you have reading comprehension issues but the post you quoted is for a thread titled "ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules", the entire thread is about that. Not icewell, not dain. And all the rules that you're trying to link to are eventually removed in that same thread.

Seek help.

[remen]

Over 24 hours and all you knowitall cucks in Trainquish can't answer this simple question......

Who is the former member?

There is none you nitwit

[Samoht]

I'm sorry you have reading comprehension issues but the post you quoted is for a thread titled "ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules", the entire thread is about that. Not icewell, not dain. And all the rules that you're trying to link to are eventually removed in that same thread.

Seek help.

Nothing in the post I linked is specific to tormax, ToV or statue. It specifically says "Foot race FTEs." The rule is in regards to foot race FTEs. Also, look at the last post in the thread. Thread DOES include dain.... hmmm...

Sorry you made up that it was specific to tormax, ToV or statue. Seems to be a recurring issue, though, when you have no footing to stand on.

Still waiting on your evidence that foot race FTE rules that outlaw use of lull pulling were removed.

And lol @ obviously delusional person telling others to seek help. You're so obsessed with a 20 year old elf sim that you've just made an alternate reality where you think everything you say is true. Seems to be spreading like an infections disease through your guild.

KRIOT is in a share delusion perpetuated by Arcler.

Yall need help.

[Mblake1981]

All this talk about foot racing reminds me..

6TrKMBd5TsI

[myrddraal]

Over 24 hours and all you knowitall cucks in Trainquish can't answer this simple question......

Who is the former member?

Oleris, allegedly. Vanquish seems convinced wigging was made a gm but #doubt

[Samoht]

Oleris, allegedly. Vanquish seems convinced wigging was made a gm but #doubt

I heard that he was caught streaming as Meitner. Pretty hard to dispute.

[Drakborn]

I heard that Detoxx is Arcler. Pretty hard to dispute.
I heard that the Earth is flat. Pretty hard to dispute.
I heard that Samoht is a delusional cunt. Pretty hard to dispute.
I heard that rooted dragons cured the raid scene. Pretty hard to dispute.
I heard that Bush did 9/11. Pretty jet fuel to dispute.

[Nutsax]

I heard that Detoxx is Arcler. Pretty hard to dispute.
I heard that the Earth is flat. Pretty hard to dispute.
I heard that Samoht is a delusional cunt. Pretty hard to dispute.
I heard that rooted dragons cured the raid scene. Pretty hard to dispute.
I heard that Bush did 9/11. Pretty jet fuel to dispute.

But Samoht is George Cloony :rolleyes:

[Allishia]

But Samoht is George Cloony :rolleyes:

Wish people would put their toons in sig or something, hate not knowing who people are /nod

[Twochain]

All this talk about foot racing reminds me..

6TrKMBd5TsI

Was that first run an FTE by a cleric?


But I was told all clerics could do is stare at walls at entrance when they weren't rooted? I'm confused??

[Croco]

Nothing in the post I linked is specific to tormax, ToV or statue. It specifically says "Foot race FTEs." The rule is in regards to foot race FTEs. Also, look at the last post in the thread. Thread DOES include dain.... hmmm...

Sorry you made up that it was specific to tormax, ToV or statue. Seems to be a recurring issue, though, when you have no footing to stand on.

Still waiting on your evidence that foot race FTE rules that outlaw use of lull pulling were removed.

And lol @ obviously delusional person telling others to seek help. You're so obsessed with a 20 year old elf sim that you've just made an alternate reality where you think everything you say is true. Seems to be spreading like an infections disease through your guild.

KRIOT is in a share delusion perpetuated by Arcler.

Yall need help.

Dear lord you really are that stupid I guess.

Everything in the post you linked is specific to Tormax, Tov, and Statue because that's the title of the fucking thread. So if someone makes mention to "Foot race FTEs" it's within the context of the thread it's posted in. I think you're just being obtuse and you're not actually that fucking stupid but just in case you really are I'll continue.

You can't prove a negative. No rules currently exist that outlaw lull pulling anywhere, let alone for Dain. I asked you for evidence and you linked a post pertaining to ToV, Tormax, and statue specifically. Specifically a rule that was later removed when Sirken posted the following "6/16/2017 Removed all ToV, Tormax, and Statue rules.". Galach then coops the post over 3 years later to institute new/different rules and mentions removing max runners for kael/dain but nothing else regarding Dain is mentioned. Galach also never mentions lull pulling at all. There are no rules against it and try as you might you can't find one to link.

I may be obsessed with a 20+ year old elf sim but you're definitely more obsessed than me and way more fucking stupid than I am so I think I'll be ok. You definitely need to seek help.

[Mblake1981]

I'm confused??

Yeah, things change.

[Bardp1999]

Dear lord you really are that stupid I guess.

Everything in the post you linked is specific to Tormax, Tov, and Statue because that's the title of the fucking thread. So if someone makes mention to "Foot race FTEs" it's within the context of the thread it's posted in. I think you're just being obtuse and you're not actually that fucking stupid but just in case you really are I'll continue.

You can't prove a negative. No rules currently exist that outlaw lull pulling anywhere, let alone for Dain. I asked you for evidence and you linked a post pertaining to ToV, Tormax, and statue specifically. Specifically a rule that was later removed when Sirken posted the following "6/16/2017 Removed all ToV, Tormax, and Statue rules.". Galach then coops the post over 3 years later to institute new/different rules and mentions removing max runners for kael/dain but nothing else regarding Dain is mentioned. Galach also never mentions lull pulling at all. There are no rules against it and try as you might you can't find one to link.

I may be obsessed with a 20+ year old elf sim but you're definitely more obsessed than me and way more fucking stupid than I am so I think I'll be ok. You definitely need to seek help.

You've been arguing the same point for like 3 months now. No one cares including the GMs, you win.

[Bardp1999]

And it doesn't really matter does it? Sounds like your guild is getting routinely shit boxed by Detoxx and his crew of stay a home sons.

[Croco]

And it doesn't really matter does it? Sounds like your guild is getting routinely shit boxed by Detoxx and his crew of stay a home sons.

Yeah turns out it's really hard to beat cheaters. Especially when the ref's don't show up.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Yeah turns out it's really hard to beat cheaters. Especially when the ref's don't show up.

We can basically count every time you cheated in the last few months. You don't win otherwise.

[Croco]

We can basically count every time you cheated in the last few months. You don't win otherwise.

"The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany Riot during the war a RnF post was to accuse Germany Riot of what their enemies themselves were doing"

[Samoht]

Man, what a dumb poster. Thread clearly includes other topics yet they REFUSE to read them. This is cognitive dissonance.

If the rest of the raiders in Riot are even half as smart as this one, then it's clear why they're losing so terribly.

[Croco]

Man, what a dumb poster. Thread clearly includes other topics yet they REFUSE to read them. This is cognitive dissonance.

If the rest of the raiders in Riot are even half as smart as this one, then it's clear why they're losing so terribly.

I'm sorry you lack reading comprehension skills. I can recommend some online courses if you're interested in becoming less stupid. LMK

[Samoht]

I'm sorry you lack reading comprehension skills. I can recommend some online courses if you're interested in becoming less stupid. LMK

ROFL... I'm not sure anybody should be taking whatever the fuck made you so dumb that you cannot find the word dain at all in that thread or where the appropriate post says it's specific for tormax, tov, or statue.

Like for real. Nobody should be taking advice from you. Unless it's advice on how to lose at everquest...

[ArbiterBlixen]

Somehow the "spirit" of the rule only applies in Kael. /boggle

[Convict]

Somehow the "spirit" of the rule only applies in Kael. /boggle

I thought lull pulling was outlawed in the first place mostly because of Vyemm wall lull pulling NToV targets, idk been some years now

[myrddraal]

We can basically count every time you cheated in the last few months. You don't win otherwise.

Haven’t you guys lost zlandi for like a month now? Lol

[Samoht]

I thought lull pulling was outlawed in the first place mostly because of Vyemm wall lull pulling NToV targets, idk been some years now

Nooooo... lull pulling is not forbidden! It can't be true! That breaks the whole riot narrative that they're the victims and never cheat!

[Croco]

ROFL... I'm not sure anybody should be taking whatever the fuck made you so dumb that you cannot find the word dain at all in that thread or where the appropriate post says it's specific for tormax, tov, or statue.

Like for real. Nobody should be taking advice from you. Unless it's advice on how to lose at everquest...

I would say that you do it and that I'm pulling for you but I'm honestly not sure you can overcome how much of a fucking idiot you are. Take a second to read the title of the thread you linked. The one that says "(updated 06/14/21) ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules". That's where in the thread it says it's specific to tormax, tov, and statue. In the title. Of the thread. That's what titles are for. They tell you what the thing you're about to read is about. The only mention of Dain is from Galach over 3 years later, which also says nothing about lull.

You should probably still seek help though. Any strides you can make towards not being the biggest fucking idiot posting on these forums would be good progress for you.

[Samoht]

So short sited that you're letting those 5 little words rule your world even when you're so wrong :(

I feel sorry for you. Hopefully you're finding steady work and living well despite your disability.

[Croco]

So short sited that you're letting those 5 little words rule your world even when you're so wrong :(

I feel sorry for you. Hopefully you're finding steady work and living well despite your disability.

Still waiting for you to show me how I'm wrong since you've been unable to do so up to this point. Still waiting for that link to something that shows lull pulling dain is against the rules, or lull pulling anything really. Since you know, there is no rule against it currently. I know it's really hard to take the L but at the rate you're going with that shovel your hole is going to bust out in china any post now.

[Samoht]

It's already been linked. Your disability is preventing your brain from processing it, though.

[Croco]

It's already been linked. Your disability is preventing your brain from processing it, though.

Still waiting. You might wanna call in help on this one I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "proof".

[Samoht]

This oughta cover it for you:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2261052&postcount=3

Proof is here, reposting it because you asked for it. I'm sorry you still won't be able to comprehend what it says, though. Please don't blame me, I can't begin to understand what you're going through.

[Croco]

Proof is here, reposting it because you asked for it. I'm sorry you still won't be able to comprehend what it says, though. Please don't blame me, I can't begin to understand what you're going through.

Still waiting. That post is in a thread titled "Thread: (updated 06/14/21) ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules". Hence specific to those zones. And he later removes all rules in those zones. Learn to read.

Still waiting bro.

[Nutsax]

So short sited that you're letting those 5 little words rule your world even when you're so wrong

Yea ok, for the dimwitted, words have meaning, whether it is 5 words, 50 words, or 5000 words. People have been executed based on one word.

Notice none of your fucktard comrades are agreeing with you, take this as a hint.

[Samoht]

Still waiting. That post is in a thread titled "Thread: (updated 06/14/21) ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules". Hence specific to those zones. And he later removes all rules in those zones. Learn to read.

Still waiting bro.

You'll be waiting as long as you are being intentionally obstinate and willfully ignorant. Nobody said anything about the title of the thread. The post clearly says to stop using lull on FTE foot races.

You can choose to be obstinate and ignorant or you can read the fucking post.

Still waiting on any proof that the rule has been cancelled, though. I guess I'll be waiting a long time because of your disability.

[Nutsax]

You'll be waiting as long as you are being intentionally obstinate and willfully ignorant. Nobody said anything about the title of the thread. The post clearly says to stop using lull on FTE foot races.

You can choose to be obstinate and ignorant or you can read the fucking post.

Still waiting on any proof that the rule has been cancelled, though. I guess I'll be waiting a long time because of your disability.

Specific
a precise detail.
"he worked through the specifics of the contract"

[Samoht]

to clarify -

Foot race FTEs does not mean targeting through walls with BS and FTEing with lull or anything else. This goes against the entire spirit, and purpose of why the rule exists.

Continuing to do this will result in a raid suspension for your guild.

Yeah, specific to foot race FTEs.

[Samoht]

Best part about all of this irrelevant conversation? We know yall idiots are wrong because Riot hasn't tried to pull that shit again yet you're still arguing... like what kind of mental illness do you have?

Seek help.

[Nutsax]

"(updated 06/14/21) ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules"

Dain isn't in ToV and is not King Tormax or Statue.

[Nutsax]

To be precise.

[Croco]

Yeah, specific to foot race FTEs.

Oh you're so close. FTE Foot races where? What thread was that posted in? What was the title of the thread? You're almost there. You can do it buddy, keep going!

[Samoht]

Dain rules are clearly included elsewhere in the thread. Your argument is so obviously out the window yet you're still holding on to that last glimmer of hope that Riot could actually be the pillar of the community that you pretend it to be.

Nobody is posting any kind of evidence to prove me wrong, you're just regurgitating the same nonsense and ignoring facts.

This is the kind of raider in Riot nowadays. And this is why they petition so much shit. They lack understanding of the rules, they lack understanding of the encounters, and they lack understanding of basic game mechanics.

You need to embrace the opposition. Maybe you'll learn how to play instead of crying like little bitches every time you lose a vulak.

[Nutsax]

Dain rules are clearly included elsewhere in the thread.

Nowhere in the thread is Dain mentioned, just make stuff up, the Trainquish MO.

[Samoht]

Nowhere in the thread is Dain mentioned, just make stuff up, the Trainquish MO.

Uhm, maybe you should go back and read the thread that you apparently know so much about.

Is anybody going to address the fact that Riot hasn't tried this shit again or not?

[Nutsax]

Uhm, maybe you should go back and read the thread that you apparently know so much about.

Is anybody going to address the fact that Riot hasn't tried this shit again or not?

Maybe you should stop lying. Nowhere in the thread is Dain mentioned.

[Ripqozko]

Imagine arguing about raid rules of a 22 year old elf sim 7 years after it's been won. Imagine arguing about in on a section of forums dedicated to shit posting and thinking your arguments will somehow win for you.

They won't , hope that helped.

[Nutsax]

Maybe you should stop lying. Nowhere in the thread is Dain mentioned.

After all the thread is titled:
(updated 06/14/21) ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules

Maybe if we change the order of the word in the title it will help you grasp the concept explained to you:

Imagine that, no mention of Dain in.... Rules Specific to ToV and King Tormax/Statue.

[Nutsax]

Imagine arguing about raid rules of a 22 year old elf sim 7 years after it's been won. Imagine arguing about in on a section of forums dedicated to shit posting and thinking your arguments will somehow win for you.

They won't , hope that helped.

Imagine making a post whining about making posts in a 22 year old elf sim.
The irony is real.

[Nexii]

Imagine arguing about raid rules of a 22 year old elf sim 7 years after it's been won. Imagine arguing about in on a section of forums dedicated to shit posting and thinking your arguments will somehow win for you.

They won't , hope that helped.

Raid rules that the GMs have said they don't even want to enforce, and haven't been since April

So basically arguing to convince no one

[Samoht]

After all the thread is titled:
(updated 06/14/21) ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules

Maybe if we change the order of the word in the title it will help you grasp the concept explained to you:

Imagine that, no mention of Dain in.... Rules Specific to ToV and King Tormax/Statue.

Oh, wow, now I see. Now you're just going to straight up lie to continue your narrative.

This is how Riot operates after all.

[Homesteaded]

Imagine arguing about raid rules of a 22 year old elf sim 7 years after it's been won. Imagine arguing about in on a section of forums dedicated to shit posting and thinking your arguments will somehow win for you.

They won't , hope that helped.


Imagine claiming video games are won.

[Cecily]

This thread keeps getting bumped. It had a good title: It's official! This conveys exciting new information. It's official, mom jeans are hot again! Stuff like that. Imagine if every month Teen Vogue printed the same cover story with the same headline. You'd probably stop buying their magazine and maybe question if they were lying to you.

[Nutsax]

Dain rules are clearly included elsewhere in the thread.

No they aren't, if they were even your dumb ass would be able to copy and paste it.
Here is the entire thread you fuckin liar.



(updated 06/14/21) ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules
ToV, Tormax, and Statue no longer have their own rules. Obviously all other server rules are still to be followed (ie: you are still responsible for your adds/trains, etc), those rules can be found at the links below,

1) https://www.project1999.com/raid.php

2) https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=189856
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6/16/2017 Removed all ToV, Tormax, and Statue rules.


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All Temple of Veeshan raid targets as well as King Tormax / Statue, are now foot race FTEs from the zone lines. If your guild gets FTE on a target, then your guild will be given a 60minute grace period to engage and kill the mob, allowing them a fair and legitimate chance at that target. A guild may not FTE any other raid target (anywhere else in the world) until their FTE’d target is either Dead, or the 60 minutes is up. If your guild/raid does not kill the FTE'd target within the allotted hour, when that hour expires, the target is considered open (not engaged) and can be FTE'd by anyone (except the guild that just had FTE), and then that new guild/raid with FTE will have an hour to make an attempt at killing the mob. And if your guild wipes, the target is considered open (not engaged) and can be FTE'd by anyone (except the guild that just had FTE), and then that guild/raid will have an hour to make an attempt at killing the mob.

Spirit of Wolf is the only movement speed buff that is allowed during the FTE race.

No teleportation spells or effects (CotH, shadowstep, rezz boxes, translocates, gates, etc) are allowed during the FTE race.

In the case of an Earthquake respawn, you can start racing at the rumble and the staff will consider this ok. It's an Earthquake, we all know that means repop.

The same guild can not have back to back 1 hour FTEs on the same target (the same guild can however re-engage that target after 30 minutes if no other guild has engaged it).
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per discussion & agreement in blue UN. New specific rules for Statue/AOW & King Tormax

Kael: King Tormax & Statue (natural spawn only)
Run up from WL side where snow/dirt starts (old run up spot)
Sow max speed ( no crown of rile shadow step etc)
dmf/levitate required
First 8 hours of window: announce in shout then race after 3 minutes
Last 8 hours of window: run on spawn

Statue/AOW concessions linked
Max runners would be tied to AOW as well (can’t team up for AOW if your combined runners were more than 4)
Need to pull with your FTE



06-14-21 update:
Removed max runners for Kael/Dain
Last edited by galach; 06-14-2021 at 11:22 AM..

[Ripqozko]

Imagine claiming video games are won.

Sorry you lost , hope that helped.

[Samoht]

No they aren't, if they were even your dumb ass would be able to copy and paste it.
Here is the entire thread you fuckin liar.

Ctrl + F
Dain

Yup, it's there. You're just being a fucking moron on purpose.

[Nutsax]

6/16/2017 Removed all ToV, Tormax, and Statue rules.

9/04/2020 New specific rules for Statue/AOW & King Tormax

Kael: King Tormax & Statue (natural spawn only)
Run up from WL side where snow/dirt starts (old run up spot)
Sow max speed ( no crown of rile shadow step etc)
dmf/levitate required
First 8 hours of window: announce in shout then race after 3 minutes
Last 8 hours of window: run on spawn

Statue/AOW concessions linked
Max runners would be tied to AOW as well (can’t team up for AOW if your combined runners were more than 4)
Need to pull with your FTE


06-14-21 update:
Removed max runners for Kael/Dain

You are really dense, nowhere within "New specific rules for Statue/AOW & King Tormax" is Dain mentioned as you have been repeatedly told.

[Croco]

To be fair to samoht dain is mentioned, at the very end, 3 years after the post he tries to cite as proof that there's some kind of rule against lull pulling (there isn't). To be fair to you he is a really dense moron.

What he's asking everyone in this thread to do is focus on 1 sentence and remove all context with which it was posted and ignore the thread it was posted in. That's not how language works and that's not how reading works. Context is king and in this case samoht is a lowly court jester.

[Samoht]

Two response from two different idiots. One refuses to read the page they copy/pasted, and the other acknowledges that it does include dain specific rules, but still will not concede that the thread includes dain specific rules.

This is why nobody can get along with Riot. They're full of this kind of rules lawyer who are absolutely wrong in their rules lawyering, but they refuse to even acknowledge that they might be wrong.

These people clearly cannot be reasoned with. They are a blight to the server and need to be removed from the raid scene.

[Nutsax]

Samoht, in his wormtongued argument believes that the removal of one rule "06-14-21 update: Removed max runners for Kael/Dain" applies.

And Samoht argues that the removal of rules " 6/16/2017 Removed all ToV, Tormax, and Statue rules." does not apply.

This is two-faced, and part of Trainquish's MO.

[Samoht]

Wait, so does the thread include dain rules or not?

Because your entire argument was that it did not.

Are you acknowledging your argument was a farse?

[Croco]

Two response from two different idiots. One refuses to read the page they copy/pasted, and the other acknowledges that it does include dain specific rules, but still will not concede that the thread includes dain specific rules.

This is why nobody can get along with Riot. They're full of this kind of rules lawyer who are absolutely wrong in their rules lawyering, but they refuse to even acknowledge that they might be wrong.

These people clearly cannot be reasoned with. They are a blight to the server and need to be removed from the raid scene.

All the lawyering in this thread is from you. You're taking a single sentence and asking everyone to ignore all context of where it was posted and when it was posted and everything posted afterwards. Again, that's not how reading works. Nothing Sirken posted includes anything about Dain. The only mention of Dain is from Galach 3 years later and only in the context of removing max racers.

These people clearly cannot be reasoned with. They are a blight to the server and need to be removed from the raid scene.

You're correct there, you just have the wrong guild. Still waiting for Galach to impose the rightly earned "PERMA BAN" to furoar for 2 boxing while he trained Riot with one of their own bots. Unless there's some sort of double standard and 2 boxing is fine if you donate to the server a lot.

[Argh]

Couple more pages of feverish posting and I'm positive one of you is going to convince the other that you were right and they were wrong.

[Tunabros]

so mad

[Samoht]

All the lawyering in this thread is from you. You're taking a single sentence and asking everyone to ignore all context of where it was posted and when it was posted and everything posted afterwards. Again, that's not how reading works. Nothing Sirken posted includes anything about Dain. The only mention of Dain is from Galach 3 years later and only in the context of removing max racers.

Your entire argument was predicated that the post regarding racer FTEs could not possibly apply to dain because the thread did not name dain in the title. Yet other at least one other post in the thread clearly named dain in the list of targets.

Now that we know that the thread did in fact include dain specific rules, the ruling can be applied to dain, and both the title of the thread and your argument so far are confirmed to be irrelevant.

So what you have established so far:

1) Sirken's footrace FTE ruling that forbids use of lull can apply to dain
2) Riot broke this rule on 4/17
3) Riot has not utilized this tactic since then in passive acknowledgement that it is in fact against the rules.

Let's move on now to other documented instances of rules Riot has clearly broken:

1. Directly interfere with another guilds engage but dispelling a slowable mob in an attempt to wipe them not once, but twice (Zlandicar and Statue. Cant remember who dispelled Statue but, still in Riot).

2. Directly train another guilds attempt on Trakanon with an eyeball in hopes of not getting caught but getting caught anyways. (Herpaderp Yankovich doesnt know how mechanics work after years on the server and leading a "raiding" guild. Still in Riot).

3. Intentionally cast Celerity on Vanquishes members who where going out to SoW for kiting guards on a Vulak engage in hopes of them getting smoked for thinking they had SoW but instead had Celerity (Aagent, still in Riot).

4. Intentionally try to disrupt CH Chains in hopes of causing a wipe. This has happened many times with nearly no response from Riot other than "Oh well". (Tekka, still in Riot)

I'd also like to add the two occasions so far that I've personally witnessed a KRIOT engage of Lord Vyemm go sideways, and they've left the dragon untanked for longer than the allotted duration in order to allow it to regenerate so that it prevents an easy Vanquish engage.

Any objections to these as they are laid out? I'm sure that you've got something imaginative to senselessly defend your guild on these indefensible situations.

If one thing is clear, though, it's obvious that Riot is not any more noble than their opponents on this server.

There's nothing shadier than a bunch of shady mother fuckers pretending they're not shady.

[branamil]

I want to fit in so I'd like to declare that I'm also EXTREMELY upset that a rival elf league hasn't interpreted the mystical beast slaying rules appendix volume xvii the same way as me, which could theoretically lead to me getting least magical treasure.

[Croco]

Your entire argument was predicated that the post regarding racer FTEs could not possibly apply to dain because the thread did not name dain in the title. Yet other at least one other post in the thread clearly named dain in the list of targets.

Now that we know that the thread did in fact include dain specific rules, the ruling can be applied to dain, and both the title of the thread and your argument so far are confirmed to be irrelevant.

So what you have established so far:

1) Sirken's footrace FTE ruling that forbids use of lull can apply to dain
2) Riot broke this rule on 4/17
3) Riot has not utilized this tactic since then in passive acknowledgement that it is in fact against the rules.

Let's move on now to other documented instances of rules Riot has clearly broken:



I'd also like to add the two occasions so far that I've personally witnessed a KRIOT engage of Lord Vyemm go sideways, and they've left the dragon untanked for longer than the allotted duration in order to allow it to regenerate so that it prevents an easy Vanquish engage.

Any objections to these as they are laid out? I'm sure that you've got something imaginative to senselessly defend your guild on these indefensible situations.

If one thing is clear, though, it's obvious that Riot is not any more noble than their opponents on this server.

There's nothing shadier than a bunch of shady mother fuckers pretending they're not shady.

Your entire argument is predicated on ignoring everything in the thread you don't agree with, including the title. The thread includes a rule that applies to dain, isn't specific to him, since it's a rule that galach simultaneously imposes on kael and icewell, and is completely removed by 3 years and a different GM from the "proof" you posted.

Whether we decide to lull pull or not at any point before a rule is put in place regarding it's legality is not an admission of anything and you insinuating it is more VQ double speak and gaslighting.

As for your other documented instances I agree with #1, not #2 since that was an accident, yes to #3, and yes to #4. All the people involved in these situations were either guild removed or disciplined for their actions, some of the involved parties were still applicants and not yet aware of how serious we take our code of conduct. None of them have repeated these offenses, and Riot, unlike VQ, is willing to admit when we fuck up in these manners and take appropriate action or accept appropriate punishment a gm sees fit.

It's hilarious that you mention that vyemm where we "wiped too slow", which isn't a thing by the way, and which Riot has watched VQ do on multiple occasions with the AoW in order to deny Riot a chance to engage before the despawn mechanic engaged. It is what it is though, there's no such thing as "wiping too slow", and if there was we'd both equally be guilty of it by your definition.

Your guild wrote the book on being shady while pretending you're not but you actually are worse than that because you don't even pretend to not be shady you just outright ignore issues when they're brought up. You say shit in the UN like "oh we'll address it after the cycle", then get mad that something wasn't brought up immediately in the UN. You try to draw equivalency by listing the the things detoxx said and try to compare them to cheating and disreputable behavior that's 10x worse and say "LOOK! WE'RE THE SAME!", we're not even in the same universe of shady actions and cheating that VQ is guilty of. You all dwarf anything we've done by orders of magnitude. Which is not to say that makes anything we've done irrelevant, obviously 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Your wording in this very post is deceptive and gaslighting. Take the following:

Yet other at least one other post in the thread clearly named dain in the list of targets.

You continue to say shit in an effort to twist meaning and remove context. You obviously know what you're doing because you do it so skillfully and so consistently but it also shows how disingenuous you are and blatantly casts light on the fact that nothing you say can be taken seriously if you're willing to try and twist context to fit your narrative.

I'll pose a question for you that's very simple, and you won't answer it plainly because it wouldn't fit your narrative. If Sirken, or Galach for that matter, imposed a rule that lull pulling was off limits for "all footrace FTEs" as you are desperately trying to get everyone to believe is the point of your out of context "proof" then why did neither of them update the official P99 blue server raid rules to reflect as much? There's zero mention of lull anywhere in that thread. Would you like to know why?

Because there is no such rule.

[Samoht]

It's hilarious that you mention that vyemm where we "wiped too slow", which isn't a thing by the way

Who said anything about you wiping too slow? You left it untanked for longer duration than a DA, which is certifiably against the rules.

which Riot has watched VQ do on multiple occasions with the AoW in order to deny Riot a chance to engage before the despawn mechanic engaged. It is what it is though, there's no such thing as "wiping too slow", and if there was we'd both equally be guilty of it by your definition.

Was it untanked? No? You have no argument.

I'll pose a question for you that's very simple, and you won't answer it plainly because it wouldn't fit your narrative. If Sirken, or Galach for that matter, imposed a rule that lull pulling was off limits for "all footrace FTEs" as you are desperately trying to get everyone to believe is the point of your out of context "proof" then why did neither of them update the official P99 blue server raid rules to reflect as much? There's zero mention of lull anywhere in that thread. Would you like to know why?

Because there is no such rule.

Sirken did make it against the rules; we've already established that in this thread. No need to circumcise the mosquito.

[Croco]

Who said anything about you wiping too slow? You left it untanked for longer duration than a DA, which is certifiably against the rules.



Was it untanked? No? You have no argument.



Sirken did make it against the rules; we've already established that in this thread. No need to circumcise the mosquito.

Yes the AoW was untanked. You cited a single sentence in a thread and tried to remove it from it's greater context in order to twist a narrative to your own end. Sirken made it illegal in the context of the thread it's posted in and later removed all rules. The only thing well established in this thread is how fucking stupid you are.

Answer the question coward.

[Allishia]

Going to put you both in time out if you keep it up! =P

[Samoht]

Yes the AoW was untanked.

There's a big difference between trying to salvage an AoW attempt and then completely vacating the lair of a rooted dragon to exploit that he cannot move and waiting for him to summon you to your death one by one.

Sirken made it illegal in the context of the thread it's posted in and later removed all rules.

Show me where he removed the foot race FTE/Dain rules.

Answer the question coward.

I don't see any question here...

[Croco]

Show me where he removed the foot race FTE/Dain rules.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2541301&postcount=9



I don't see any question here...

I'll pose a question for you that's very simple, and you won't answer it plainly because it wouldn't fit your narrative. If Sirken, or Galach for that matter, imposed a rule that lull pulling was off limits for "all footrace FTEs" as you are desperately trying to get everyone to believe is the point of your out of context "proof" then why did neither of them update the official P99 blue server raid rules to reflect as much?

Answer the question, coward.

[Samoht]

Going to put you both in time out if you keep it up! =P

How about a spanking instead? /grin

[Samoht]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2541301&postcount=9

I don't see where that removes the ruling regarding lull being illegal in foot race FTEs. The post does include specifics on what was removed, and lull pulling was not a part of it.

I'll pose a question for you that's very simple, and you won't answer it plainly because it wouldn't fit your narrative. If Sirken, or Galach for that matter, imposed a rule that lull pulling was off limits for "all footrace FTEs" as you are desperately trying to get everyone to believe is the point of your out of context "proof" then why did neither of them update the official P99 blue server raid rules to reflect as much?

Holy run on sentence, batman. If you're expecting me to guess the motivation behind what another person posts, then I guess I'm game. I seem to be doing pretty well at it.

Sirken obviously made it a rule in his head and did not feel the need to publish it. Maybe because it could be considered an exploit, and exploits are already inherently against the rules.

Is it Galach's job to post all of Sirken's rules? Probably not. Question seems like a huge stretch and your prodding me into answering it really makes me feel awkward because nothing is going to come of this. As I previously noted, it's kind of ridiculous that you should expect me to have insight to what Sirken was thinking.

[Tunabros]

2 grown ass "men" fighting over a 20 year old emulated elf sim

seek. help.

[Ripqozko]

2 grown ass "men" fighting over a 20 year old emulated elf sim

seek. help.

It's what happens when kittens get a taste of loot and goto riot.

Rip taigam

[Croco]

I don't see where that removes the ruling regarding lull being illegal in foot race FTEs. The post does include specifics on what was removed, and lull pulling was not a part of it.


If you can link me one instance of Sirken or any other server GM saying anything about lull pulling being against the rules in a different thread besides the aforementioned thread "ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules" then I will concede your point.

I contend that since there is no mention of lull being against the rules in the P99 blue server raiding rules or any addendum except the single sentence in question, which you keep taking out of the context of the thread it was posted in, then it's clearly not against the rules. Not then, and not currently.

You can't just imply something is true with zero proof. I can't say that the thread titled "ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules" is about Veeshan's Peak because there's no proof of that. That entire thread up until Galach's edit over 3 years later has nothing to do with Dain or icewell. Everything in this thread that Sirken posted is with regard to the title "ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules". You can tell that because those rules you're trying to say exist for everything aren't listed in the general p99 blue server raiding rules.

I'm sorry for your sake that Sirken made rules in his head and never documented them. Guess what? Those aren't rules. If they aren't documented they don't apply and Sirken isn't the GM anymore. I'm not sure if you've noticed but the current staff has been taking a hatchet to almost all Sirken era rules for reasons.

It absolutely is Galach's job to post Sirken's rules or his own rules if he wants those rules to apply to p99 raiding. I'm not asking you to have insight into anything I'm just asking you to examine what is and what isn't. What is: lull is mentioned once, in a thread specifically talking about ToV, KT & Statue. What isn't: Lull, isn't mentioned literally anywhere else.

You are the one imposing your own "insight" into the situation by assuming something that isn't true. So show me the evidence. Show me a link to a rule that existed during the time we lull pulled dain that expressly states it was against the rules.

[Detoxx]

Yeah turns out it's really hard to beat cheaters. Especially when the ref's don't show up.

Today marked our 20th Statue kill in a row. I wonder what cheats we did to do that? Any idea?

[Samoht]

That entire thread up until Galach's edit over 3 years later has nothing to do with Dain or icewell. Everything in this thread that Sirken posted is with regard to the title "ToV & King Tormax / Statue Specific Rules". You can tell that because those rules you're trying to say exist for everything aren't listed in the general p99 blue server raiding rules.

Sirken's ruling was for foot race FTEs. Galach's post in the thread only confirmed that your belief that the entire thread excluded dain is incorrect.

Those aren't rules. If they aren't documented they don't apply

But this ruling is clearly documented. So it does apply.

You are the one imposing your own "insight" into the situation by assuming something that isn't true.

Is this why you asked me to assume and goaded me because I wouldn't? So that you could then chastise me to assume? ROFL what kind of fucking jackhole are we dealing with here? This is the kind of backasswards logic that makes Riot the laughing stock of the server.

So show me the evidence. Show me a link to a rule that existed during the time we lull pulled dain that expressly states it was against the rules.

Here is a ruling specifically on foot race FTEs that expressly forbids the use of lull. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2261052&postcount=3) That should be enough for you.

[Topgunben]

Everquest was a mistake.

[Croco]

Today marked our 20th Statue kill in a row. I wonder what cheats we did to do that? Any idea?

You mean besides people who script stuff? Like scripting the start of a race to get a jump off the line faster than is humanly possible? The very thing you accused your own guild leader of before he was guilded with you.

Also probably helps that you've had the opportunity to race for 20 statues in a row since gm's went out for cigarettes 4+ months ago and haven't been seen since.

[Croco]

Sirken's ruling was for foot race FTEs. Galach's post in the thread only confirmed that your belief that the entire thread excluded dain is incorrect.



But this ruling is clearly documented. So it does apply.



Is this why you asked me to assume and goaded me because I wouldn't? So that you could then chastise me to assume? ROFL what kind of fucking jackhole are we dealing with here? This is the kind of backasswards logic that makes Riot the laughing stock of the server.



Here is a ruling specifically on foot race FTEs that expressly forbids the use of lull. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2261052&postcount=3) That should be enough for you.

Sirken's ruling was for foot race FTEs in a thread specifically talking about ToV, KT, and Statue. Not icewell, not dain. You can't ignore words you don't like to weave your own narrative. Galach's post is an afterthought more than 3 years after the fact that also specifically deals with racer limits and nothing more.

Look at me! I can do what Samoht does!:

Sirken's ruling ... excluded dain...

Just ignore the words you don't like. It's the trainquish way.

[Detoxx]

You mean besides people who script stuff? Like scripting the start of a race to get a jump off the line faster than is humanly possible? The very thing you accused your own guild leader of before he was guilded with you.

Also probably helps that you've had the opportunity to race for 20 statues in a row since gm's went out for cigarettes 4+ months ago and haven't been seen since.

Lol

[Bache]

Today marked our 20th Statue kill in a row. I wonder what cheats we did to do that? Any idea?

Good zerging by the way

[Grumph]

You mean besides people who script stuff? Like scripting the start of a race to get a jump off the line faster than is humanly possible? The very thing you accused your own guild leader of before he was guilded with you.

Also probably helps that you've had the opportunity to race for 20 statues in a row since gm's went out for cigarettes 4+ months ago and haven't been seen since.

You finally decoded the matrix.

Y’all are good at being good.

Your competition is good at being bad.

And the refs… lol idk wtf? Cigarettes?

The next step for you to level up at life is to write a self help book on how to cope with loosing. You need to take your talents on tour my friend!

[Nutsax]

Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Who is the former member on staff?

[ArbiterBlixen]

Sirken's ruling was for foot race FTEs in a thread specifically talking about ToV, KT, and Statue. Not icewell, not dain. You can't ignore words you don't like to weave your own narrative. Galach's post is an afterthought more than 3 years after the fact that also specifically deals with racer limits and nothing more.


You can’t be this dumb.

“Foot race FTEs does not mean targeting through walls with BS and FTEing with lull or anything else. This goes against the entire spirit, and purpose of why the rule exists.”

FTEing with lull goes against the spirit of why the rule exists. You actually think Icewell walls are somehow more legit to lull pull through than Kael? Change zones and you’re suddenly in line with the spirit of the rule?

[Nutsax]

You can’t be this dumb.

“Foot race FTEs does not mean targeting through walls with BS and FTEing with lull or anything else. This goes against the entire spirit, and purpose of why the rule exists.”

FTEing with lull goes against the spirit of why the rule exists. You actually think Icewell walls are somehow more legit to lull pull through than Kael? Change zones and you’re suddenly in line with the spirit of the rule?

This is probably why Riot hasn't done it again, following the spirit of a rule is better than following explicit rules.

What are your thoughts on scripting footraces?

[ArbiterBlixen]

This is probably why Riot hasn't done it again, following the spirit of a rule is better than following explicit rules.

What are your thoughts on scripting footraces?

Ask yourself these questions:

Have I put in the time to win races?
Have I put in as much time as my competition?
Would I have won either way?

I think you know the answer.

[Nutsax]

Ask yourself these questions:

Have I put in the time to win races?
Have I put in as much time as my competition?
Would I have won either way?

I think you know the answer.

I ask myself these questions:

Who is a known cheater?
Who didn't receive a perm ban for 2 boxing?
Who wins clickfests when afk?
Is my choice of a path better than an optimized script?

[Ennewi]

Ask yourself these questions:

Have I neglected my body, spouse, children, pets, etc.?
Have I treated a computer game like a soulless office job?
Is it worth continuing, at the expense of nearly everything else?

I think you know the answer.

[ArbiterBlixen]

I ask myself these questions:

Who is a known cheater?
Who didn't receive a perm ban for 2 boxing?
Who wins clickfests when afk?
Is my choice of a path better than an optimized script?

You’re missing the point. No one needs to cheat to beat you or your guild.
You don’t put in the work.

[Nutsax]

You’re missing the point. No one needs to cheat to beat you or your guild.
You don’t put in the work.

I think you are missing the point, losing 20 races in a row is a statistical impossibility. Occom's razor determines that your cheating players/guild uses third party programs and no amount of work can beat an optimized script. You idiots are too stupid to loose a race once in a while to cover your tracks. It's ridicules that this has been permitted.

[Bellringer]

I think you are missing the point, losing 20 races in a row is a statistical impossibility. Occom's razor determines that your cheating players/guild uses third party programs and no amount of work can beat an optimized script. You idiots are too stupid to loose a race once in a while to cover your tracks. It's ridicules that this has been permitted.

https://i.imgur.com/F0j25ZR.gif

[RevSaber]

Foot race? You guys cheating in the akanon to unrest race again?

[Nutsax]

I think you are missing the point, losing 20 races in a row is a statistical impossibility. Occom's razor determines that your cheating players/guild uses third party programs and no amount of work can beat an optimized script. You idiots are too stupid to loose a race once in a while to cover your tracks. It's ridicules that this has been permitted.

[Allishia]

Today marked our 20th Statue kill in a row. I wonder what cheats we did to do that? Any idea?

I would like to tank the aow giant too. You could trip/leash or goof every once in a while please! Especially if it's after 5 eastern time /nod.

[Samoht]

I think you are missing the point, losing 20 races in a row is a statistical impossibility. Occom's razor determines that your cheating players/guild uses third party programs and no amount of work can beat an optimized script. You idiots are too stupid to loose a race once in a while to cover your tracks. It's ridicules that this has been permitted.

Nutsax's razor says that when you suck at a 20 year old elf-sim, you call your opponent a cheater.

Take your asinine conspiracy theories elsewhere.

Go cry in UN to get Kael rotation or something. You'll be able to get 1 out of every 3 AoW then and split them with Kittens just like Vulak.

[remen]

I think you are missing the point, losing 20 races in a row is a statistical impossibility. Occom's razor determines that your cheating players/guild uses third party programs and no amount of work can beat an optimized script. You idiots are too stupid to loose a race once in a while to cover your tracks. It's ridicules that this has been permitted.

Yo you are really stupid, statue race is a skill competition. When one set of racers is significantly better than the other, it's an extremely high probability to win 20 in a row.

For example, would it be a "statistical impossibility" if Michael Jordan beat you 20 times in a row at basketball? Of course not, he practiced the game and is really good at it, whereas you suck. Occom's razor determines you are an actual moron.

[Samoht]

Oh, I see the actual problem with statue. It isn't that Vanquish is cheating...

The only racer in Riot worth a damn got tired of carrying their shitty asses and defected.

Now they can't even beat a bard to statue using drone racers.

How terrible is that?

[mycoolrausch]

20 statues in a row proves racing is not competitive. Bring on the kael bag limits.

[mycoolrausch]

Alternative thread title: It's official: TSS is done. Vanquish secures their 20th Faydedar in a row.

[Allishia]

20 statues in a row proves racing is not competitive. Bring on the kael bag limits.

Dun dun dun!

[tyrant49333]

20 statues in a row proves racing is not competitive. Bring on the kael bag limits.

Racing is competitive, just riot isn't. We have different people winning these races that practice for hours and hours. Sorry your guild sucks

[mycoolrausch]

Racing is competitive, just riot isn't. We have different people winning these races that practice for hours and hours. Sorry your guild sucks

It's super arbitrary to gatekeep mobs behind a 100 hour practice raceline that never existed in a 21 year old video game that ~6 people in the world are interested in doing. If the server staff wants that on an aging server with a playerbase that has most exausted the level-up content, then so be it, grats Vanq on the next 20 statues.

[Nexii]

Racing is the least classic thing about P99

[tyrant49333]

It's super arbitrary to gatekeep mobs behind a 100 hour practice raceline that never existed in a 21 year old video game that ~6 people in the world are interested in doing. If the server staff wants that on an aging server with a playerbase that has most exausted the level-up content, then so be it, grats Vanq on the next 20 statues.

Wait first we were cheating now it's 100 hours of practice, pick an excuse loser. Also when riot disbands I can't wait to vote no on your app thread

[mycoolrausch]

Wait first we were cheating now it's 100 hours of practice, pick an excuse loser. Also when riot disbands I can't wait to vote no on your app thread

If the right 6 people moved from vanq to riot, vanq would be the dying guild. Are you one of them? If not you probably shouldn't talk.

Also i don't personally care about raiding 6 years into velious. If the server staff wants a one guild server this late in the game that's fine.

[Toxigen]

I think you are missing the point, losing 20 races in a row is a statistical impossibility. Occom's razor determines that your cheating players/guild uses third party programs and no amount of work can beat an optimized script. You idiots are too stupid to loose a race once in a while to cover your tracks. It's ridicules that this has been permitted.

lmao

[Samoht]

Yeah, in this instance, the only thing occom's razor determines is that Riot sucks.

[Bache]

Man when I feel like shit and my ego is down I just come to this place and read your messages and suddenly i feel so good about myself realizing that worthless fuckers like you got so much time on their hand to write down countless of meaningless lines of prose that no one gives a shit about and that I am actually doing something more useful with my time

Thank you for being my emotional support.



Oh, I see the actual problem with statue. It isn't that Vanquish is cheating...

The only racer in Riot worth a damn got tired of carrying their shitty asses and defected.

Now they can't even beat a bard to statue using drone racers.

How terrible is that?

[Samoht]

Man when I feel like shit and my ego is down I just come to this place and read your messages and suddenly i feel so good about myself realizing that worthless fuckers like you got so much time on their hand to write down countless of meaningless lines of prose that no one gives a shit about and that I am actually doing something more useful with my time

Thank you for being my emotional support.

I'm glad somebody took time out of their day to come here to make fun of players on an elf sim.

Oh, well, when you cannot contribute positively to the post, just bash the opposition.

[Naethyn]

Today marked our 20th Statue kill in a row. I wonder what cheats we did to do that? Any idea?

#baglimitkael

Add bag limits to Kael. The one guild monopoly on raid content is the true death of what is fun on this server. Bag limits are more than just charity pixels, they give competition a chance to practice and get better. The one guild monopoly on raid content has historically required server admin intervention and hopefully it doesn't take until 50+ before that happens.

[tyrant49333]

#baglimitkael

Add bag limits to Kael. The one guild monopoly on raid content is the true death of what is fun on this server. Bag limits are more than just charity pixels, they give competition a chance to practice and get better. The one guild monopoly on raid content has historically required server admin intervention and hopefully it doesn't take until 50+ before that happens.

Naethyn you fucking suck at this game and should move to TAKP with the other carebears.

[mycoolrausch]

I just thought of a way to make racing more involved and competitive. When a yellowtext mob is engaged it ques its hate list for 500ms and then picks a name on that list at random to send out yellowtext on. There's still a reason to run a strong race to keep the pace high, but everyone on pace has a chance to get yellowtext, and the more racers you bring the higher your odds, analogous to zerging a mob during a fight which EQ has always rewarded.

The pixel distribution would look more like a race prize distribution (1st place winners still get the most, but 2nd, 3rd place etc still get a prize just like they do do in most races) vs what it looks like now, ie 20 statue pixels to one guild and 0 to everybody else.

Imagine hoppin race lines all over Norrath, from the frosty halls of Kael to the very peaks of Veeshan. Might be cool. What do you guys think?

[Nutsax]

#baglimitkael

Add bag limits to Kael. The one guild monopoly on raid content is the true death of what is fun on this server. Bag limits are more than just charity pixels, they give competition a chance to practice and get better. The one guild monopoly on raid content has historically required server admin intervention and hopefully it doesn't take until 50+ before that happens.

I would prefer #stopthecheats

[Samoht]

I just thought of a way to make racing more involved and competitive. When a yellowtext mob is engaged it ques its hate list for 500ms and then picks a name on that list at random to send out yellowtext on. There's still a reason to run a strong race to keep the pace high, but everyone on pace has a chance to get yellowtext, and the more racers you bring the higher your odds, analogous to zerging a mob during a fight which EQ has always rewarded.

The pixel distribution would look more like a race prize distribution (1st place winners still get the most, but 2nd, 3rd place etc still get a prize just like they do do in most races) vs what it looks like now, ie 20 statue pixels to one guild and 0 to everybody else.

Imagine hoppin race lines all over Norrath, from the frosty halls of Kael to the very peaks of Veeshan. Might be cool. What do you guys think?

Nah. RNG is dumb. Too streaky. Look at how it is working out at ring war.

Plus this is overly complicated. Just implement bag limits so that we can move on with our lives.

[quido]

who are these people anyways? must play the beta server

[Allishia]

Nah. RNG is dumb. Too streaky. Look at how it is working out at ring war.

Plus this is overly complicated. Just implement bag limits so that we can move on with our lives.

I think ring war should be bag limit too. Bag limit everything, winning 2 in a row is fine then you skip one and can win 2 in a row again. /nod

[Ratchet51]

who are these people anyways? must play the beta server

Everyone's gotta start somewhere.

[Samoht]

I think ring war should be bag limit too. Bag limit everything, winning 2 in a row is fine then you skip one and can win 2 in a row again. /nod

Ring war bag limit is fine with me for non-competitive weeks.

Would prefer that first week of the month remains fully FTE.

[tyrant49333]

Bag limits are going to kill p99

[Croco]

Bag limits are going to kill p99

For people like you? Sounds great to me.

[Allishia]

Bag limits are going to kill p99

You are right! let's do away with all competition and just merge into 1 big guild :)

[xdrcfrx]

Bag limits are going to kill p99

try crying harder about them.

[Tunabros]

competitive 1 month

bag limit next month

now stop being babies and learn to play together in a emulated 20 year old elf sim

you all need jesus. badly.

[Nutsax]

Ring war bag limit is fine with me for non-competitive weeks.

Would prefer that first week of the month remains fully FTE.

Sure you would, then your guild will afk autoclick.

[Samoht]

Sure you would, then your guild will afk autoclick.

Riot still accusing other guilds of cheating when there's so many examples of them cheating in this thread

:rolleyes:

[Nutsax]

Riot still accusing other guilds of cheating when there's so many examples of them cheating in this thread

:rolleyes:

Not other guilds, just certain people in a certain guild.

[Detoxx]

I just thought of a way to make racing more involved and competitive. When a yellowtext mob is engaged it ques its hate list for 500ms and then picks a name on that list at random to send out yellowtext on. There's still a reason to run a strong race to keep the pace high, but everyone on pace has a chance to get yellowtext, and the more racers you bring the higher your odds, analogous to zerging a mob during a fight which EQ has always rewarded.

The pixel distribution would look more like a race prize distribution (1st place winners still get the most, but 2nd, 3rd place etc still get a prize just like they do do in most races) vs what it looks like now, ie 20 statue pixels to one guild and 0 to everybody else.

Imagine hoppin race lines all over Norrath, from the frosty halls of Kael to the very peaks of Veeshan. Might be cool. What do you guys think?

This is, quite possibly, the dumbest thing I have ever read on these forums.

You win.

[Nutsax]

Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Who is the former member on staff?

[Detoxx]

Who is the former member on staff?

Me saying "no current member" does not correlate to their ever being a member. Please stop spamming stupidity because you dont understand false equivalencies.

[xdrcfrx]

This is, quite possibly, the dumbest thing I have ever read on these forums.

You win.

Detoxx: your ideas are dumb.

Also detoxx: DAE lets get rid of tracker FTE?

lol.

[Nutsax]

Me saying "no current member" does not correlate to their ever being a member. Please stop spamming stupidity because you dont understand false equivalencies.

Yes it does.
You're the one who qualified your statement with "current" which opens up the question, which non current member is on staff?
And you still have not answered the question.

[mycoolrausch]

This is, quite possibly, the dumbest thing I have ever read on these forums.

You win.

It also has the advantage of eliminating autoclick/low ping advantage on stuff like lodi/etc

[Bellringer]

Yes it does.
You're the one who qualified your statement with "current" which opens up the question, which non current member is on staff?
And you still have not answered the question.

https://imgur.com/SJWGyMM.gif

[Nutsax]

Me saying "no current member" does not correlate to their ever being a member. Please stop spamming stupidity because you dont understand false equivalencies.

Yes it does.(btw when you write a post you aren't "saying" anything you assclown)
You're the one who qualified your statement with "current" which opens up the question, which non current member is on staff?
And you still have not answered the question.

[dk0]

Also detoxx: DAE lets get rid of tracker FTE?


I'm not up on the discussions (or much of anything tbh), but if this is being considered I'd think it would be pretty well supported. I'm surprised to see it presented like it's a dumb idea here, or is it just because of who it's coming from?

Out of curiosity, what are the arguments in favor of keeping the tracker fte rule?

[Twochain]

I'm not up on the discussions (or much of anything tbh), but if this is being considered I'd think it would be pretty well supported. I'm surprised to see it presented like it's a dumb idea here, or is it just because of who it's coming from?

Out of curiosity, what are the arguments in favor of keeping the tracker fte rule?

Tracker FTE is an outdated relic of days gone by. However, a GM wouldn't just be able to say "Tracker FTE concedes are no longer a thing" because than suddenly the Meta is camp your entire raid at targets. So then the change would become wordy, and have a bunch of different stipulations, and ends up being a hassle.

Maybe, If you accidentally FTE a mob, where it would have no obvious benefit to your guild to FTE at that time, you may call accidental and wipe it clean. But already we're operating on good faith.. so it's a little complicated.


Tracker FTE concedes are really fuckin dumb though. Imagine losing a mob for your whole guild because you forgot where your toon was camped out at last week.

[Detoxx]

Tracker FTE is an outdated relic of days gone by. However, a GM wouldn't just be able to say "Tracker FTE concedes are no longer a thing" because than suddenly the Meta is camp your entire raid at targets.

Wrong. 2 Tracker limit is still in play. You cant camp a raid at a target if theres a 2 tracker limit.

Yes it does.
You're the one who qualified your statement with "current" which opens up the question, which non current member is on staff?
And you still have not answered the question.

Also wrong, please look up false equivalencies.

I'm not up on the discussions (or much of anything tbh), but if this is being considered I'd think it would be pretty well supported. I'm surprised to see it presented like it's a dumb idea here, or is it just because of who it's coming from?

Out of curiosity, what are the arguments in favor of keeping the tracker fte rule?

100% this and also the only ones who have responded are the only ones who arent affected by any tracker FTE type rule so I dont know why they care. Oh wait, please see bold highlight above.

[Thaak]

Naethyn you fucking suck at this game and should move to TAKP with the other carebears.

Didn't you join the takp discord the other day?

[dk0]

Tracker FTE is an outdated relic of days gone by. However, a GM wouldn't just be able to say "Tracker FTE concedes are no longer a thing" because than suddenly the Meta is camp your entire raid at targets. So then the change would become wordy, and have a bunch of different stipulations, and ends up being a hassle.

Maybe, If you accidentally FTE a mob, where it would have no obvious benefit to your guild to FTE at that time, you may call accidental and wipe it clean. But already we're operating on good faith.. so it's a little complicated.


Tracker FTE concedes are really fuckin dumb though. Imagine losing a mob for your whole guild because you forgot where your toon was camped out at last week.

You still have rules that say only 2 past the line, and they can not be part of the engage, right? Still no insta coth engages e.g. for twins?

Completely agreed it's a stupid rule with no relevance today, especially with mages in trips. But I think if you keep the rest of the tracker rules you can get rid of this with no issue and probably don't need to wordsmith much else.

Tracker FTE is already horrible on its own. It mostly means your coth mage is dead so you'll be behind. It frequently means you trained other trackers so you may be conceding anyway. No point in further punishing an action that everybody is already desperately trying to avoid. Calling accidental seems reasonable to me.

I'm sure there's a weird specific situation I'm not thinking of now that would challenge this but I dunno, guess that's why I was asking about why people wanted to keep it, I can't think of any good reason a tracker fte could be beneficial to a guild. I guess something stupid like having your tracker DA and running one of the non rooted dragons away so other teams can't engage lol

[Nutsax]

Today marked our 20th Statue kill in a row. I wonder what cheats we did to do that? Any idea?


Probability of B occuring 20 time(s) = 0.80^20 = 0.011529215046068

This is assuming you would win 4 out of 5 races actually playing the game instead of running a script.

[Nutsax]

https://tenor.com/view/miracle-wow-gif-11913618

[Nutsax]

Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Who is the non current member?

[remen]

Me saying "no current member" does not correlate to their ever being a member. Please stop spamming stupidity because you dont understand false equivalencies.Yes it does.
You're the one who qualified your statement with "current" which opens up the question, which non current member is on staff?
And you still have not answered the question.

No, it really doesn't. The way he phrased his statement leaves open the possibility of a non current member being on the staff, it does not mean that there is one. Your interpretation is incorrect. He has now clarified that there aren't any former members on the staff either.

Probability of B occuring 20 time(s) = 0.80^20 = 0.011529215046068

This is assuming you would win 4 out of 5 races actually playing the game instead of running a script.

Man are you really this dumb? You are like a little kid looking up stuff on the internet but having no idea how to actually apply it. Why would you use an assumption of winning only 4 out of 5 races? What makes you think that the only way to win more than 80% is by cheating?

[Nutsax]

No, it really doesn't. The way he phrased his statement leaves open the possibility of a non current member being on the staff, it does not mean that there is one. Your interpretation is incorrect. He has now clarified that there aren't any former members on the staff either.



Man are you really this dumb? You are like a little kid looking up stuff on the internet but having no idea how to actually apply it. Why would you use an assumption of winning only 4 out of 5 races? What makes you think that the only way to win more than 80% is by cheating?

I have a degree in applied Mathematics, how about you?

[Bellringer]

Probability of B occuring 20 time(s) = 0.80^20 = 0.011529215046068

This is assuming you would win 4 out of 5 races actually playing the game instead of running a script.

https://tenor.com/view/miracle-wow-gif-11913618

Who is the non current member?

https://imgur.com/OrWbh3A.gif

[remen]

I have a degree in applied Mathematics, how about you?

I have a functional brain. That apparently trumps your (imaginary?) degree in applied mathematics. You also didn't answer any of these questions.

"Why would you use an assumption of winning only 4 out of 5 races? What makes you think that the only way to win more than 80% is by cheating?"

[Nutsax]

No, it really doesn't. The way he phrased his statement leaves open the possibility of a non current member being on the staff, it does not mean that there is one. Your interpretation is incorrect. He has now clarified that there aren't any former members on the staff either.

Dumbtoxx never answered the question.



Man are you really this dumb? You are like a little kid looking up stuff on the internet but having no idea how to actually apply it. Why would you use an assumption of winning only 4 out of 5 races? What makes you think that the only way to win more than 80% is by cheating?[/QUOTE]

I stated my assumption, because when one guild cheats and the other guild doesn't the data is corrupted. Since you are obviously too stupid to comprehend what I posted I will explain as though I am writing to a dumb kid. The chances of winning 20 consecutive races assuming you win 4 out of 5 races is ~ 1.1% .

[Nutsax]

I have a functional brain. That apparently trumps your (imaginary?) degree in applied mathematics. You also didn't answer any of these questions.

"Why would you use an assumption of winning only 4 out of 5 races? What makes you think that the only way to win more than 80% is by cheating?"

You don't even understand the problem LOL.

[Nutsax]

Me saying "no current member" does not correlate to their ever being a member. Please stop spamming stupidity because you dont understand false equivalencies.

Is there a former member of Vanquish or member/former member of Freedom or AG on staff?
Please answer with a simple yes or no.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Is there a former member of Vanquish or member/former member of Freedom or AG on staff?
Please answer with a simple yes or no.

Join Riot today. You can be in a guild with this guy.

[Croco]

Join Riot today. You can be in a guild with this guy.

Yeah instead join trainquish where you can be guilded with every bigot, homophobe, and general piece of shit on the server.

[Argh]

https://i.imgur.com/U4B5xDV.png

What's the probability of one nut bag writing almost 13% of the posts in a 40+ page rnf post?

[Nutsax]

Join Riot today. You can be in a guild with this guy.

I am just trying to get a simple yes or no question answered.

[Nutsax]

I stated my assumption, because when one guild cheats and the other guild doesn't the data is corrupted. Since you are obviously too stupid to comprehend what I posted I will explain as though I am writing to a dumb kid. The chances of winning 20 consecutive races assuming you win 4 out of 5 races is ~ 1.1% .

This is extremely suspicious to me and should be to any GM.

[remen]

Dumbtoxx never answered the question.


Me saying "no current member" does not correlate to their ever being a member. Please stop spamming stupidity because you dont understand false equivalencies.

Did that statement not answer it clearly enough for you? Do you need it spelled out?


I stated my assumption, because when one guild cheats and the other guild doesn't the data is corrupted. Since you are obviously too stupid to comprehend what I posted I will explain as though I am writing to a dumb kid. The chances of winning 20 consecutive races assuming you win 4 out of 5 races is ~ 1.1% .

Yes I understand the math if you start with the assumption that you win 4 out of 5. This is a dumb assumption, which is what you don't seem to comprehend for some reason. This is what I've been trying to explain to you. The race doesn't have any luck factor. If one racer is significantly better than another, they will win 99.99% of the time. For example, Usain Bolt will beat you in a foot race 99.99% of the time.

The statement I put in bold comes across as you desperately trying to seem smart, but really having no idea what you are talking about. Do you have any evidence that any type of cheating is happening?

I have a functional brain. That apparently trumps your (imaginary?) degree in applied mathematics. You also didn't answer any of these questions.

"Why would you use an assumption of winning only 4 out of 5 races? What makes you think that the only way to win more than 80% is by cheating?"
You don't even understand the problem LOL.

You didn't answer my straightforward questions. Your response is nonsensical.

[Detoxx]

Major oof here. Cant win? Cry to the GMs that the other guild is cheating until you get Random 1000 Ring Wars and Bag Limits.

Pretty sad and, quite frankly, stupid that you go right to cheating with no proof. All you realize that the guy you claim is scripting is the one that u defended when AM was claiming the same thing?

Now because you arent the beneficiaries of it, hes cheating. There is no way u can script those races, quit crying and go on the test server and practice. I beat your racers every time and I don't even practice on test.

Get better instead of crying to the GMs with unsubstantiated claims.

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by Detoxx View Post
Me saying "no current member" does not correlate to their ever being a member. Please stop spamming stupidity because you dont understand false equivalencies.

Did that statement not answer it clearly enough for you? Do you need it spelled out?

No, he didn't answer the question. It clarified nothing, if you had a middle school level reading comprehension you would understand this. This is why I keep asking. A simple yes or no would suffice.

Originally Posted by Nutsax View Post
I stated my assumption, because when one guild cheats and the other guild doesn't the data is corrupted. Since you are obviously too stupid to comprehend what I posted I will explain as though I am writing to a dumb kid. The chances of winning 20 consecutive races assuming you win 4 out of 5 races is ~ 1.1% .

Yes I understand the math if you start with the assumption that you win 4 out of 5. This is a dumb assumption, which is what you don't seem to comprehend for some reason. This is what I've been trying to explain to you. The race doesn't have any luck factor. If one racer is significantly better than another, they will win 99.99% of the time. For example, Usain Bolt will beat you in a foot race 99.99% of the time.

No dummy. The assumption is that Trainquish wins 4 out of 5 races while Riot wins 1 out of 5 if Trainquish doesn't cheat. Of course the race has no luck factor, a few members of Trainquish script the foot race. The evidence is that the chance
of Trainquish winning 20 times consecutively assuming they win 4 out of 5 races is just ~1.1% or 1.1 in 100.

You didn't answer my straightforward questions. Your response is nonsensical.
I did answer your questions, my response is nonsensical to you because you are incapable of grasping simple English and math.

[Nutsax]

Major oof here. Cant win? Cry to the GMs that the other guild is cheating until you get Random 1000 Ring Wars and Bag Limits.

Pretty sad and, quite frankly, stupid that you go right to cheating with no proof. All you realize that the guy you claim is scripting is the one that u defended when AM was claiming the same thing?

Now because you arent the beneficiaries of it, hes cheating. There is no way u can script those races, quit crying and go on the test server and practice. I beat your racers every time and I don't even practice on test.

Get better instead of crying to the GMs with unsubstantiated claims.

Maybe you will answer this question. How would you know there is "no way u can script those races" unless you tried?

[Va1entines]

I'll race any riot member in kael, they can choose when to start running and i'll chase them once they decide to start. I'll win more than 4 out of 5 times.

[Detoxx]

No, he didn't answer the question. It clarified nothing, if you had a middle school level reading comprehension you would understand this. This is why I keep asking. A simple yes or no would suffice.

The answer is no.

The evidence is that the chance
of Trainquish winning 20 times consecutively assuming they win 4 out of 5 races is just ~1.1% or 1.1 in 100.

You are forgetting the most important part of your little spiel: The skill gap. As remen has tried to point out to you 15 times now, your assuming equal footing. His multiple examples of this are pretty clear. Tiger Woods will beat you 20 times in a row every time. Statistically, the chances of that are extremely rare unless you take into account that you just arent as good as Tiger Woods at golf.

Same applies here. Good try though to justify your leaders spamming GMs of cheating multiple times just to get free mobs cause you cant compete. What a sad guild Riot is. Not a competitive bone in your roster.

[Nutsax]

The answer is no.



You are forgetting the most important part of your little spiel: The skill gap. As remen has tried to point out to you 15 times now, your assuming equal footing. His multiple examples of this are pretty clear. Tiger Woods will beat you 20 times in a row every time. Statistically, the chances of that are extremely rare unless you take into account that you just arent as good as Tiger Woods at golf.

Same applies here. Good try though to justify your leaders spamming GMs of cheating multiple times just to get free mobs cause you cant compete. What a sad guild Riot is. Not a competitive bone in your roster.

You sir are no Tiger Woods at EQ.

[Va1entines]

Hey i'll even do a /random and I wont shrink for statue race ;P

[Detoxx]

You sir are no Tiger Woods at EQ.

Not even close to what was being said. Is life hard being so simple?

[Nutsax]

Hey i'll even do a /random and I wont shrink for statue race ;P

I bet you won't win 20 times in a row.

[Detoxx]

I bet you won't win 20 times in a row.

I bet you 10k he will.

[Nutsax]

I bet you 10k he will.

Running a script is playing.

[Nutsax]

Running a script is playing.

You didn't answer the question, how do you know it's impossible to script a footrace if you have not tried to do it?

[SantagarBrax]

Riot assumes Vanquish is cheating because they can't win races. Does Riot practice racing on the test server? Vanquish FTE Winners do and have done so repetitively in the past until they get it down. Riot offers FTE bonuses like candy yet you guys never practice, then cry about people cheating with zero evidence because you won't put in the work.

Prior to getting RingWar /random 1000's, you guys accused Vanquish of cheating / scripting the turn in to badain. GM's were sent video evidence and most likely did their own research to conclude that Vanquish was in fact, not cheating.

When will ANYONE in Riot take responsibility for their own actions, or perhaps challenge each other to improve their game? When will you guys stop crying all the time about losing when you won't bother to put in the time and effort it takes to win?

[Nutsax]

Riot assumes Vanquish is cheating because they can't win races. Does Riot practice racing on the test server? Vanquish FTE Winners do and have done so repetitively in the past until they get it down. Riot offers FTE bonuses like candy yet you guys never practice, then cry about people cheating with zero evidence because you won't put in the work.

Prior to getting RingWar /random 1000's, you guys accused Vanquish of cheating / scripting the turn in to badain. GM's were sent video evidence and most likely did their own research to conclude that Vanquish was in fact, not cheating.

When will ANYONE in Riot take responsibility for their own actions, or perhaps challenge each other to improve their game? When will you guys stop crying all the time about losing when you won't bother to put in the time and effort it takes to win?

The amount of times your guildleader won Ring War by autoclicking is even more impossible than the chances you win 20 footraces in a row in Kael.

[Va1entines]

I dont like politics, I just like racing. Hit me up anytime, i have over 2500 statue races and prolly 1500 kt.
Im interested does riot pay out dkp to practice races? Or do yall just expect to win without the countless hours of practice? People seem to spend 12 hours a day tracking... I spend more time on test server than live sometimes.

[Detoxx]

The amount of times your guildleader won Ring War by autoclicking is even more impossible than the chances you win 20 footraces in a row in Kael.

All you do is cry. Pathetic.

[Twochain]

I bet you won't win 20 times in a row.

Dude I’m sorry, I truly am.. but you are fucking retarded troll.

His YouTube has a thousand runs. Go watch one. Go watch all of them. When AM was convinced that he was cheating, it’s what I did. And I came back with, his runs were beatable and also very human. I think it’s borderline impossible to make a bot that would be able to beat a human on any Kael race. COTH racing? Definitely. Ring turn ins? One could obviously argue the possibility, but not Kael races.

When I was trying to beat him, I didn’t even have the added benefit (which would be a gigantic benefit to me- I have no attention span to sit idly for 8 hours straight for the mob to spawn) of roll offs. But I’m a sick gamer so I decided that I was going to woop his ass for the glory of aftermath. Aikons was even briefly out of retirement to try and save am. So I practiced. I’d shadow his runs on YouTube on my second monitor as a start timer. Took me like 2 hours, and I was reliably beating the YouTube video. Which obviously isn’t 1:1 as I knew when to start running. But then I started to REALLY beat the YouTube video. So it just had happen to work out that shortly after learning the run, I injured my leg pretty badly in such a way where I literally couldn’t get up out of a chair for 2 weeks from the stitches. So I had the opportunity to sit at KT for an entire window and get revenge. Aikons and I sat there for hours, and it finally spawned. I was first off the line, and aikons was second. We were both virtually tied the entire race, with fur behind us 3 steps the entire way. We reach the door, and I’m completely sure we have won. KING TORMAX ENGAGES FUROAR. I was fucking bewildered. I knew we were ahead, how the fuck could he have beaten us?? This mother fucker is definitely cheating.

He sent me the video. He clipped his toon on a wall in the right manor to increase his height; making it so that he could gain line of sight on the mob to tag before Aikens and I even though he was behind.

Basically what I’m getting at, is that you’re making a fool of yourself.

Here’s what we need to do from here:

The ring roll is whatever. Click offs are fucking stupid. It was stupid for scout, stupid for ring 10. I’d prefer to see that also become a race but I digress.

From my research, a certain program that rhymes with mowheequeue is able to run in basically an undetected manor indefinitely, unless what I found is just the admins here trying to bait people into cheating red handed. So that means, the entire window for mobs should be roll offs, and virtually all program assistance is all but impossible. Even writing a script to start running on the right number is NOT going to be a make or break advantage, as anyone who doesn’t have the reaction time of a 45 year old alcoholic (hmmmmmmmmmmmmm :eyes:) will be able to run at the same time within ms, making ping almost a better difference maker.





..hope this helps

[Nutsax]

I dont like politics, I just like racing. Hit me up anytime, i have over 2500 statue races and prolly 1500 kt.
Im interested does riot pay out dkp to practice races? Or do yall just expect to win without the countless hours of practice? People seem to spend 12 hours a day tracking... I spend more time on test server than live sometimes.

Was weird seeing 3 Trainquish members on top of each other and match each other step for step......... you guys sure a good. :rolleyes:

[SantagarBrax]

The amount of times your guildleader won Ring War by autoclicking is even more impossible than the chances you win 20 footraces in a row in Kael.

Literally the exact element I'm referring too. GM's stated there was no cheating involved.

You're proving the point here that you nor anyone else in Riot will take responsibility for your own actions and improve your game.

I'm not talking shit here, just stating the fact. It's the only reason you guys don't win races. You don't TRY.

[Nutsax]

All you do is cry. Pathetic.

The amount of times he won if not clicking is over 1 chance in a billion, but I know non cheaters need to git gud.

[Tunabros]

dunno about you guys but riot's promo video is pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRzFn75OQ5s&t=2s

[Twochain]

The amount of times he won if not clicking is over 1 chance in a billion, but I know non cheaters need to git gud.

Says the guy throwing out baseless bullshit on an obvious burner account named nutsax. Everyone believe him.

Plz bag limit Kael :( QQ we can’t beat furwaor

U know what? AM went down, but went down proud. Riot literally formed to kill AM, and detox humbled himself enough to try and app to the guild that destroyed his baby.

This is pathetic. Go play a server with instances.

[Twochain]

dunno about you guys but riot's promo video is pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRzFn75OQ5s&t=2s

Song is a lil sus but otherwise pretty cool vid

[Khaall Drogo]

I dont like politics, I just like racing. Hit me up anytime, i have over 2500 statue races and prolly 1500 kt.
Im interested does riot pay out dkp to practice races? Or do yall just expect to win without the countless hours of practice? People seem to spend 12 hours a day tracking... I spend more time on test server than live sometimes.

Uhm, Statue only spawns naturally 72 times a year add in 4 quakes. Less than 80 statues a year. Im gunna go out on a limb here and say you have not been racing for Statue for 31 years, give or take. Even if you are counting just practicing the race, and each practice took you 10 minutes each, its still an impossible amount of times :)

[ArbiterBlixen]

Uhm, Statue only spawns naturally 72 times a year add in 4 quakes. Less than 80 statues a year. Im gunna go out on a limb here and say you have not been racing for Statue for 31 years, give or take. Even if you are counting just practicing the race, and each practice took you 10 minutes each, its still an impossible amount of times :)

Uh oh, don't accidentally reveal you have no idea how long it takes to run to statue.

[Twochain]

Uhm, Statue only spawns naturally 72 times a year add in 4 quakes. Less than 80 statues a year. Im gunna go out on a limb here and say you have not been racing for Statue for 31 years, give or take. Even if you are counting just practicing the race, and each practice took you 10 minutes each, its still an impossible amount of times :)

A practice run on the test server takes less than… two? Minutes to start the race, complete it, and use gm commands to get back in the right position and start again.

[Khaall Drogo]

I dont know just going off the youtube video of Furoar FTE it takes 2-3 minutes to run up, figured would take another 2 to run it back down. Then add in some #zone commands and just normal time zoning, logging in, normal time spend doing thing. I dont think 10 minute per practice is insane. Lets call it 5 minutes per practice. Still an absurdly large amount to claim to have raced for. *shrug i got no horses in the race and dont claim to know about racing for statue or give a shit about being "revealed" lol

[Khaall Drogo]

There has been... napkin math here excuse me. Roughly 350 statues or so on P99. That would require racing for every Statue that has ever spawned, and 8 practice runs per actual spawn! Imrpressive.

[Wokka]

/cringe

[Detoxx]

There has been... napkin math here excuse me. Roughly 350 statues or so on P99. That would require racing for every Statue that has ever spawned, and 8 practice runs per actual spawn! Imrpressive.

Bro, do you know how test server works? Im guessing not. You can get GM commands and spawn as many statues as you want.

Cringing hard atm

[Khaall Drogo]

Bro, do you know how test server works? Im guessing not. You can get GM commands and spawn as many statues as you want.

Cringing hard atm

Yes I know how the test servers work. I help run a Test server for both TSS and <ST> on green.

You guys can all cringe at you assumed knowledge. I will cringe at the guy bragging about racing for statue 2500 times.

Cheers.

[Khaall Drogo]

In fact we have our own Statue/KT race set up and leader boards. Along with leader boards and races for many other common races on p99. Our friends in ST use it a lot more than us in TSS, no doubt.

[Toxigen]

Was weird seeing 3 Trainquish members on top of each other and match each other step for step......... you guys sure a good. :rolleyes:

They practice. A lot.

You really need to go outside.

[Va1entines]

Uhm, Statue only spawns naturally 72 times a year add in 4 quakes. Less than 80 statues a year. Im gunna go out on a limb here and say you have not been racing for Statue for 31 years, give or take. Even if you are counting just practicing the race, and each practice took you 10 minutes each, its still an impossible amount of times :)

This is the exact reason other guilds cant race, they dont understand test server practice. I dont blame you for thinking the way you do, I would just like you to understand I can run a statue race in under 91 seconds and within 1 second be back and repeat it. And not all races need to be run to completion anyways.

[Va1entines]

Yes I know how the test servers work. I help run a Test server for both TSS and <ST> on green.

You guys can all cringe at you assumed knowledge. I will cringe at the guy bragging about racing for statue 2500 times.

Cheers.

meh about 80ish hours of practice so that my guild never loses races for some of the best loot in game. Plenty of people spend more time camping Peggy cloak week after week.

[Khaall Drogo]

This is the exact reason other guilds cant race, they dont understand test server practice. I dont blame you for thinking the way you do, I would just like you to understand I can run a statue race in under 91 seconds and within 1 second be back and repeat it. And not all races need to be run to completion anyways.

Again, you guys like to assume an awful lot. You worded at you had "2500 races" I did not think when you mentioned this you were considering your practice runs against no one "racing for statue"

What is your practice to actual race ratio then? Seeming how you want to try and deflect by acting like you have more experience. I just ran a statue run on a test server i help run for P99 and got 97 seconds, was like my 3rd time ever doing it.

Even if you spent only 2 minute on each "race" of 2500 that 5000 minutes of your life you spent practicing "racing" for velious mobs in 2021.

Cringe and act like your level of knowledge is unreachable. Fine by me.

If you would like you can come on OUR test server right now and beat our best leader board race of 93 seconds for Statue. I helped set this practice server up so <ST> and <TSS> could use it, not because I had a desire to win some trivial race, but to help some people out who im friends with, and have fun.

Cheers.

[Va1entines]

In fact we have our own Statue/KT race set up and leader boards. Along with leader boards and races for many other common races on p99. Our friends in ST use it a lot more than us in TSS, no doubt.

I wish our test server had leaderboards.... ;(

[Khaall Drogo]

I wish our test server had leaderboards.... ;(

It was an honest offer to let you come be number 1 on our board. Send me a PM and ill shoot you the info.

[Va1entines]

Again, you guys like to assume an awful lot. You worded at you had "2500 races" I did not think when you mentioned this you were considering your practice runs against no one "racing for statue"

What is your practice to actual race ratio then? Seeming how you want to try and deflect by acting like you have more experience. I just ran a statue run on a test server i help run for P99 and got 97 seconds, was like my 3rd time ever doing it.

Even if you spent only 2 minute on each "race" of 2500 that 5000 minutes of your life you spent practicing "racing" for velious mobs in 2021.

Cringe and act like your level of knowledge is unreachable. Fine by me.

If you would like you can come on OUR test server right now and beat our best leader board race of 93 seconds for Statue. I helped set this practice server up so <ST> and <TSS> could use it, not because I had a desire to win some trivial race, but to help some people out who im friends with, and have fun.

Cheers.


Listen im not trying to brag, or make anyone else feel bad. Im saying we arent cheating, we are spending hours a week practicing on test server. You are taking other peoples comments and using them against me. I just said he practice, and said how much we practice. We have a small group of racers who have FUN racing and consider the competition to be between each other. We have more fun racing on test server than we do sitting afk at idol camps. Im sure you can understand

I'd be glad to hop on you're test server, just hit me with the info.

[Va1entines]

Also i've never used the word cringe towards anyone on this thread.

[Viscere]

https://i.imgur.com/KXY9TfE.jpg

[Khaall Drogo]

Listen im not trying to brag, or make anyone else feel bad. Im saying we arent cheating, we are spending hours a week practicing on test server. You are taking other peoples comments and using them against me. I just said he practice, and said how much we practice. We have a small group of racers who have FUN racing and consider the competition to be between each other. We have more fun racing on test server than we do sitting afk at idol camps. Im sure you can understand

I'd be glad to hop on you're test server, just hit me with the info.

Heh i honestly only said something because I read it as you saying you raced for 2500, not practice. 2500 practices doesnt seem crazy with the length of the windows on p99 it would make since to have plenty of time to practice while waiting for spawns.

I did throw the cringe out in response to others so fair enough there, however you did try to make it seem like the reason other guilds on the server dont "compete" because they arent smart enough to figure out basic things, like practicing on a test server. I understand having a group of friends attempting to beat each other for fun, and also getting better in the process! That i can get behind 100%

Sent ya a DM with insructions on getting imported into our test server to top try and top the leaderboard :)

[SantagarBrax]

Look guys, we literally can't provide a better blueprint on how to be competitive and successful. All it takes is some effort on your part instead of the constant complaining in order to get the server rules changed towards your benefit.

Just Try. We want you to succeed.

Sincerely,

Everyone who loves competition

[Va1entines]

I did throw the cringe out in response to others so fair enough there, however you did try to make it seem like the reason other guilds on the server dont "compete" because they arent smart enough to figure out basic things, like practicing on a test server. I understand having a group of friends attempting to beat each other for fun, and also getting better in the process! That i can get behind 100%


Fair enough, I didnt come across very kind with that statement. Apologies :) Looking forward to giving a whirl at your test server, looks neat!

[mycoolrausch]

Another idea I just thought of to make racing more competitive is a handicap system similar to golf. Your best race time is used to calculate your handicap which is how far up past the race line you get to start.

[mycoolrausch]

Actually I just did some research and in real racing they handicap the fastest by slowing them down, not giving the slower a head start.

If any vanqs wanna see how much coppper we need to add per decisecond of race hit me up and we can work this system out.

[tyrant49333]

I dont know just going off the youtube video of Furoar FTE it takes 2-3 minutes to run up, figured would take another 2 to run it back down. Then add in some #zone commands and just normal time zoning, logging in, normal time spend doing thing. I dont think 10 minute per practice is insane. Lets call it 5 minutes per practice. Still an absurdly large amount to claim to have raced for. *shrug i got no horses in the race and dont claim to know about racing for statue or give a shit about being "revealed" lol

Glad TSS got an opinion on Karl races when they were being implemented. Clear evidence your guild has literally no idea what the fuck they're talking about LOL

[xdrcfrx]

Tracker FTE is an outdated relic of days gone by. However, a GM wouldn't just be able to say "Tracker FTE concedes are no longer a thing" because than suddenly the Meta is camp your entire raid at targets. So then the change would become wordy, and have a bunch of different stipulations, and ends up being a hassle.

Maybe, If you accidentally FTE a mob, where it would have no obvious benefit to your guild to FTE at that time, you may call accidental and wipe it clean. But already we're operating on good faith.. so it's a little complicated.


Tracker FTE concedes are really fuckin dumb though. Imagine losing a mob for your whole guild because you forgot where your toon was camped out at last week.

don't forget where your toons are camped out, then. tracker FTE is a good rule because it's a bright line test which is easy to implement and enforce: were you over the race line when the mob spawned, and got FTE? So sad too bad, you must concede. I'm sure that if we blurred that line, we wouldn't start to see frequent Vanq. "accidental" tracker FTE's that interrupt other guilds going for mobs.

Along the same lines, trying to remove the 2 tracker limit is dumb, because it turns any coth required raid (e.g.: a lot of encounters) into a contest of who can park the most mages. Vanq. already using 3 mages at Vulak for several weeks running, i guess it's obvious why you'd want this: because you assess that you'd be able to park more mages and/or counting to 2 is vry hrd.

You mention "good faith" but from where I sit, pretty much no one puts any stock in Vanq. operating in good faith - your leaders and other public facing people frequently demonstrate that you have none. To this point - yes, people are skeptical and/or against the idea because of who proposed it. Detoxx has a long history of being awful, and Vanq. has spent the last year demonstrating repeatedly that it will not operate in good faith.

[Samoht]

You mention "good faith" but from where I sit, pretty much no one puts any stock in Vanq. operating in good faith - your leaders and other public facing people frequently demonstrate that you have none. To this point - yes, people are skeptical and/or against the idea because of who proposed it. Detoxx has a long history of being awful, and Vanq. has spent the last year demonstrating repeatedly that it will not operate in good faith.

You must be a KRIOT member because all the shit they post in the UN shows that this is not specific to Vanquish.

Juicebox literally cannot type a post without being passive aggressive.

Arcler is types in lies and circles to get his way.

Why the fuck would you call out Detoxx specifically unless you're sucking Juicebox and Arcler dick?

[xdrcfrx]

You must be a KRIOT member because all the shit they post in the UN shows that this is not specific to Vanquish.

Juicebox literally cannot type a post without being passive aggressive.

Arcler is types in lies and circles to get his way.

Why the fuck would you call out Detoxx specifically unless you're sucking Juicebox and Arcler dick?

because, you dullard, it was detoxx that suggested removing the tracker FTE rules in the UN like 3 days ago, and also detoxx who called someone else's idea in this very thread "dumb."

try to keep up.

[Nexii]

Yea I'm sure we totally won't see trackers pulling mobs if tracker FTE isn't a rule

[dk0]

don't forget where your toons are camped out, then. tracker FTE is a good rule because it's a bright line test which is easy to implement and enforce: were you over the race line when the mob spawned, and got FTE? So sad too bad, you must concede. I'm sure that if we blurred that line, we wouldn't start to see frequent Vanq. "accidental" tracker FTE's that interrupt other guilds going for mobs.

Along the same lines, trying to remove the 2 tracker limit is dumb, because it turns any coth required raid (e.g.: a lot of encounters) into a contest of who can park the most mages. Vanq. already using 3 mages at Vulak for several weeks running, i guess it's obvious why you'd want this: because you assess that you'd be able to park more mages and/or counting to 2 is vry hrd.


I'm still really curious about this and I'm not sure I'm clear on why you think the rule is a good thing to have. You mention being over the line and getting FTE-- you're allowed to have trackers over the line. What is the perceived benefit of getting tracker FTE? Why would any guild want that?

The only thing I landed on was what you said--intentionally interfering with another guild's engage. But that's pretty nonsensical and trivial to handle. FTE from a tracker lasts all of half a second while a mage gets one-shotted, and anything that would blatantly interfere with a team's engage would mean a competing raid force is there with substantial fraps. At that point it's literally no different from having any rando member interfere with the engage. What am I missing?

[Samoht]

because, you dullard, it was detoxx that suggested removing the tracker FTE rules in the UN like 3 days ago, and also detoxx who called someone else's idea in this very thread "dumb."

try to keep up.

This is exactly how KRIOT "diplomacy" works. Thank you for demonstrating.

[xdrcfrx]

I'm still really curious about this and I'm not sure I'm clear on why you think the rule is a good thing to have. You mention being over the line and getting FTE-- you're allowed to have trackers over the line. What is the perceived benefit of getting tracker FTE? Why would any guild want that?

The only thing I landed on was what you said--intentionally interfering with another guild's engage. But that's pretty nonsensical and trivial to handle. FTE from a tracker lasts all of half a second while a mage gets one-shotted, and anything that would blatantly interfere with a team's engage would mean a competing raid force is there with substantial fraps. At that point it's literally no different from having any rando member interfere with the engage. What am I missing?

"oops my tracker got FTE and pulled that sev/gore/other pulled mob away from where it was, and then instead of losing the engage it just became a total mess! who would have thought it could happen. aww shucks."

why would you want to open up this can of worms? right now, it's a very clear and easy to apply rule. anything you replace it with is going to be more difficult to apply. certainly the history of this server, and especially it's current M.O., suggests that nuanced rules which require detailed analysis will only be the source of conflict. ambiguity = bad.

it's already the case that people argue that anything you do during the course of an FTE doesn't matter, if a new FTE goes out. doing away with tracker FTE almost certain to result in the following: tracker gets FTE; DA's and/or bumps the mob; caps out or dies; new member of same guild gets fresh FTE after mob has been significantly affected; that guild kills mob, argues that it's initial tracker FTE is meaningless because of subsequent yellow text.

you say you don't like the lawyerquesting? then stop trying to do away with the simple rules that are easy to enforce.

[xdrcfrx]

This is exactly how KRIOT "diplomacy" works. Thank you for demonstrating.

I have lots of great conversations with plenty vanq. people. you've earned the scorn, though.

[condap99]

This thread is awesome. Thank you RNF for carrying it to 50 pages

[Aadill]

Karl races

[dk0]

"oops my tracker got FTE and pulled that sev/gore/other pulled mob away from where it was, and then instead of losing the engage it just became a total mess! who would have thought it could happen. aww shucks."

why would you want to open up this can of worms? right now, it's a very clear and easy to apply rule. anything you replace it with is going to be more difficult to apply. certainly the history of this server, and especially it's current M.O., suggests that nuanced rules which require detailed analysis will only be the source of conflict. ambiguity = bad.

it's already the case that people argue that anything you do during the course of an FTE doesn't matter, if a new FTE goes out. doing away with tracker FTE almost certain to result in the following: tracker gets FTE; DA's and/or bumps the mob; caps out or dies; new member of same guild gets fresh FTE after mob has been significantly affected; that guild kills mob, argues that it's initial tracker FTE is meaningless because of subsequent yellow text.

you say you don't like the lawyerquesting? then stop trying to do away with the simple rules that are easy to enforce.


Appreciate the response, though I think you may be confusing me with someone else, I've not made any comments about lawyerquesting.

My point is that there are already rules in place that prevent the behavior you're describing. Getting rid of tracker FTE is just the immediate concession portion of the tracker ruleset. They still cannot do literally anything else otherwise it's a concede. Think of it this way: what if the tracker coth'd a single person up who then did the things you describe? How is that any different? If the chaos you're describing were to suddenly happen, why isn't it happening now?

This is RNF so I presume we'll never agree here, but there's no "can of worms" to open. You could drop this rule without any changes to behavior.

[dk0]

This thread is awesome. Thank you RNF for carrying it to 50 pages

We gonna reach "BDA to Phinny" status with this bitch

[xdrcfrx]

Appreciate the response, though I think you may be confusing me with someone else, I've not made any comments about lawyerquesting.

My point is that there are already rules in place that prevent the behavior you're describing. Getting rid of tracker FTE is just the immediate concession portion of the tracker ruleset. They still cannot do literally anything else otherwise it's a concede. Think of it this way: what if the tracker coth'd a single person up who then did the things you describe? How is that any different? If the chaos you're describing were to suddenly happen, why isn't it happening now?

This is RNF so I presume we'll never agree here, but there's no "can of worms" to open. You could drop this rule without any changes to behavior.

why wouldn't they do any of the things, in the absence of a rule requiring immediate concession? that's the only thing discouraging it now, anyways. the underlying point is that as currently implemented, this rule is easy to apply. making it less easy to apply is only going to invite more opportunities for conflict and argument. dropping the rule would just make an already bad atmosphere even worse.

I meant "you" in the general sense, i guess, as opposed to you specifically. apologies if my meaning wasn't clear.

[dk0]

why wouldn't they do any of the things, in the absence of a rule requiring immediate concession?

Because there already exist rules that prevent that behavior and lead to concession. You can easily get around tracker FTE by having a tracker coth up a member and then do these exact same things. But that's not happening, because there are already rules that prevent it. Tracker FTE does nothing to prevent any unwanted behavior that isn't already addressed by a different rule, which makes it unnecessary.

Anyway, never in the history of RNF has someone's perspective actually been changed, and I'm not interested in devolving this convo into whatever is happening in the rest of this ridiculous thread, so I assume this is where we'll just disagree. Appreciate you sharing your view.

[Twochain]

I’d say… 90% of tracker FTEs, if not more are an immediate set back for the guild who got it. As almost every single one of them is, like described above, someone logging in to a guild bot and getting one shotted. If we do away with an immediate concede for that, The only guild who is disadvantaged is the guild who now has to figure out how to coth to that engage or operate with only one mage vs 2.

I brought up good faith because obviously neither kriot nor vanquish show good faith to each other very often. However, it should be something to work towards. Something as simple as an inter guild agreement that if you say ahead of time that your guild is about to log in X, and we aren’t 100% X is in the right spot because it is a guild bot, and if tracker FTE is obtained you do not have to insta concede. It’s that simple.

But that won’t happen. Kriot will claim that it’s another ploy for vanquish to cheat. Vanquish will claim, of course kriot wouldn’t go with an agreement that SHOULD be a no brainer, as it removes a possibility of free mobs for them.

It’s very easy to forget where your toons are. You have to remember that a decent amount of our players have been here for over a decade at this point. There are a lot of people who have double digit amount of level 60 toons that are either theirs, or their retired friends. For instance, I haven’t played twochain nor Feiht since the last time I raided. Which was a week ago. I have literally no idea where twochain was left. If I had to guess. He’s at tov entrance. But he could just as easily be /exited in aary pit. Detox alone probably has fricking over 60 level 60 toons he could log in and raid with at any given time. My rogue is shared with some officers in guilds, and he could literally be anywhere. (The red headed bastard step child that he is). And because some of us rapidly change characters as needed, it’s very easy to leave a toon somewhere hastily to switch to a different target, with the intention of moving it back to entrance later, forgetting in the chaos, and not logging that toon until next cycle, or hell 3 cycles later.

We obviously don’t want to change the meta to something as bergzerg as camping 100 toons at each dragon, but laying out guidelines to not have to insta concede tracker fte should be a no brainer.

While we’re at it, what the hell was the deal with the “there are more guilds than just vanquish on the server” when we offered to let Riot compete against us for otherwise completely free mobs? Okay fine you can claim that we are trying to do away with bag limits, but Jesus Christ come on.. we were trying to show, in good faith, that we’re not just pixel lusting bloodhounds, and that we would rather possibly lose a completely free mob and allow Riot to go compete against us, as for most of us we play this game for the spirit of competition, not the loot. “God” reacts. Really???? Like fuckin really? I don’t even know how that’s a response. Like yeah, we know there’s more than one guild on the server, we’re trying to let them have a chance at something they otherwise wouldn’t be able to touch due to bag limits.

I just don’t respect it. I don’t respect it because when AM was trying to figure out a solution to overcome the insane Zerg meta, Riot WOULDNT budge in the slightest with making changes, because they were coming to monopolize the content. And white knuckled that shit until furor left. Now, the turns have tabled, and look who’s howling to the moon for changes rotations, bag limits and cheating. The conversation than we’re laughed at. Of CoUrsE a DyIng GuIlD WaNtS To MaKE ChANgES. YoU ArE BeInG SeRVeD HuMbLe PiE, HoW DoEs It TaStE??

[Samoht]

Of CoUrsE a DyIng GuIlD WaNtS To MaKE ChANgES. YoU ArE BeInG SeRVeD HuMbLe PiE, HoW DoEs It TaStE??

This. 100x this. Fuck Arcler. Fuck Juicebox. Fuck all the tools that enable them.

[Nexii]

What's to stop a tracker from pulling and gating or capping when a secondary is ready to pick up a legal FTE?

[Ripqozko]

All of this could be solved with lockouts, hope that helps.

[Mblake1981]

I’d say… 90% of tracker FTEs, if not more are an immediate set back for the guild who got it. As almost every single one of them is, like described above, someone logging in to a guild bot and getting one shotted. If we do away with an immediate concede for that, The only guild who is disadvantaged is the guild who now has to figure out how to coth to that engage or operate with only one mage vs 2.

I brought up good faith because obviously neither kriot nor vanquish show good faith to each other very often. However, it should be something to work towards. Something as simple as an inter guild agreement that if you say ahead of time that your guild is about to log in X, and we aren’t 100% X is in the right spot because it is a guild bot, and if tracker FTE is obtained you do not have to insta concede. It’s that simple.

But that won’t happen. Kriot will claim that it’s another ploy for vanquish to cheat. Vanquish will claim, of course kriot wouldn’t go with an agreement that SHOULD be a no brainer, as it removes a possibility of free mobs for them.

It’s very easy to forget where your toons are. You have to remember that a decent amount of our players have been here for over a decade at this point. There are a lot of people who have double digit amount of level 60 toons that are either theirs, or their retired friends. For instance, I haven’t played twochain nor Feiht since the last time I raided. Which was a week ago. I have literally no idea where twochain was left. If I had to guess. He’s at tov entrance. But he could just as easily be /exited in aary pit. Detox alone probably has fricking over 60 level 60 toons he could log in and raid with at any given time. My rogue is shared with some officers in guilds, and he could literally be anywhere. (The red headed bastard step child that he is). And because some of us rapidly change characters as needed, it’s very easy to leave a toon somewhere hastily to switch to a different target, with the intention of moving it back to entrance later, forgetting in the chaos, and not logging that toon until next cycle, or hell 3 cycles later.

We obviously don’t want to change the meta to something as bergzerg as camping 100 toons at each dragon, but laying out guidelines to not have to insta concede tracker fte should be a no brainer.

While we’re at it, what the hell was the deal with the “there are more guilds than just vanquish on the server” when we offered to let Riot compete against us for otherwise completely free mobs? Okay fine you can claim that we are trying to do away with bag limits, but Jesus Christ come on.. we were trying to show, in good faith, that we’re not just pixel lusting bloodhounds, and that we would rather possibly lose a completely free mob and allow Riot to go compete against us, as for most of us we play this game for the spirit of competition, not the loot. “God” reacts. Really???? Like fuckin really? I don’t even know how that’s a response. Like yeah, we know there’s more than one guild on the server, we’re trying to let them have a chance at something they otherwise wouldn’t be able to touch due to bag limits.

I just don’t respect it. I don’t respect it because when AM was trying to figure out a solution to overcome the insane Zerg meta, Riot WOULDNT budge in the slightest with making changes, because they were coming to monopolize the content. And white knuckled that shit until furor left. Now, the turns have tabled, and look who’s howling to the moon for changes rotations, bag limits and cheating. The conversation than we’re laughed at. Of CoUrsE a DyIng GuIlD WaNtS To MaKE ChANgES. YoU ArE BeInG SeRVeD HuMbLe PiE, HoW DoEs It TaStE??

https://i.imgur.com/JmECMpW.jpg

[Nexii]

All of this could be solved with lockouts, hope that helps.

Agree exclusive lock era was way better than this garbage meta where you need 100+ players

[Tunabros]

Anyone able to fill me up on what happened to <Riot>?

Didn't they used to be the most powerful raid guild for a few years? What happened?

And why do they keep lawyer questing and why does Vanquish keep complaining?

[Tunabros]

no bias/hate answers only

[hobart]

I’d say… 90% of tracker FTEs, if not more are an immediate set back for the guild who got it. As almost every single one of them is, like described above, someone logging in to a guild bot and getting one shotted. If we do away with an immediate concede for that, The only guild who is disadvantaged is the guild who now has to figure out how to coth to that engage or operate with only one mage vs 2.

I brought up good faith because obviously neither kriot nor vanquish show good faith to each other very often. However, it should be something to work towards. Something as simple as an inter guild agreement that if you say ahead of time that your guild is about to log in X, and we aren’t 100% X is in the right spot because it is a guild bot, and if tracker FTE is obtained you do not have to insta concede. It’s that simple.

But that won’t happen. Kriot will claim that it’s another ploy for vanquish to cheat. Vanquish will claim, of course kriot wouldn’t go with an agreement that SHOULD be a no brainer, as it removes a possibility of free mobs for them.

It’s very easy to forget where your toons are. You have to remember that a decent amount of our players have been here for over a decade at this point. There are a lot of people who have double digit amount of level 60 toons that are either theirs, or their retired friends. For instance, I haven’t played twochain nor Feiht since the last time I raided. Which was a week ago. I have literally no idea where twochain was left. If I had to guess. He’s at tov entrance. But he could just as easily be /exited in aary pit. Detox alone probably has fricking over 60 level 60 toons he could log in and raid with at any given time. My rogue is shared with some officers in guilds, and he could literally be anywhere. (The red headed bastard step child that he is). And because some of us rapidly change characters as needed, it’s very easy to leave a toon somewhere hastily to switch to a different target, with the intention of moving it back to entrance later, forgetting in the chaos, and not logging that toon until next cycle, or hell 3 cycles later.

We obviously don’t want to change the meta to something as bergzerg as camping 100 toons at each dragon, but laying out guidelines to not have to insta concede tracker fte should be a no brainer.

While we’re at it, what the hell was the deal with the “there are more guilds than just vanquish on the server” when we offered to let Riot compete against us for otherwise completely free mobs? Okay fine you can claim that we are trying to do away with bag limits, but Jesus Christ come on.. we were trying to show, in good faith, that we’re not just pixel lusting bloodhounds, and that we would rather possibly lose a completely free mob and allow Riot to go compete against us, as for most of us we play this game for the spirit of competition, not the loot. “God” reacts. Really???? Like fuckin really? I don’t even know how that’s a response. Like yeah, we know there’s more than one guild on the server, we’re trying to let them have a chance at something they otherwise wouldn’t be able to touch due to bag limits.

I just don’t respect it. I don’t respect it because when AM was trying to figure out a solution to overcome the insane Zerg meta, Riot WOULDNT budge in the slightest with making changes, because they were coming to monopolize the content. And white knuckled that shit until furor left. Now, the turns have tabled, and look who’s howling to the moon for changes rotations, bag limits and cheating. The conversation than we’re laughed at. Of CoUrsE a DyIng GuIlD WaNtS To MaKE ChANgES. YoU ArE BeInG SeRVeD HuMbLe PiE, HoW DoEs It TaStE??

Detoxx has a ten year history of liking agreements when his guild is dominating and then suddenly calling for changes to the rules when it is losing. He hated racing when he didn't have Furor. Now I bet he loves it! Why the change of heart?

In this way, he never negotiates in good faith. To expect anything different back is dumb.

And I can tell you don't get it either. Why was the insance Zerg meta something that needed to be overcome? Because AM was losing, duh.

[condap99]

Anyone able to fill me up on what happened to <Riot>?

Didn't they used to be the most powerful raid guild for a few years? What happened?

And why do they keep lawyer questing and why does Vanquish keep complaining?

They are lawyerquesting because Riot leadership isn't any good at actual everquest, and gets shit on every time they play the game. So rather than try to be competitive in Everquest, they try to be competitive in Discord.

[booter]

imagine believing in "competitive everquest"

[slard271]

Twochain I lubs you.

-Lentis

[Nexii]

Detoxx has a ten year history of liking agreements when his guild is dominating and then suddenly calling for changes to the rules when it is losing. He hated racing when he didn't have Furor. Now I bet he loves it! Why the change of heart?

In this way, he never negotiates in good faith. To expect anything different back is dumb.

And I can tell you don't get it either. Why was the insance Zerg meta something that needed to be overcome? Because AM was losing, duh.

No one in either guild enjoys being in a superzerg

The staff has this mindset that rule changes should require unanimous signoff. Which basically means nothing ever gets changed, because the #1 guild will always want the status quo

So then it becomes who cries to the staff the most rather than devising a better system to deal with problems

[arsenalpow]

imagine believing in "competitive everquest"

Hi friend!

[xdrcfrx]

We obviously don’t want to change the meta to something as bergzerg as camping 100 toons at each dragon, but laying out guidelines to not have to insta concede tracker fte should be a no brainer.

While we’re at it, what the hell was the deal with the “there are more guilds than just vanquish on the server” when we offered to let Riot compete against us for otherwise completely free mobs? Okay fine you can claim that we are trying to do away with bag limits, but Jesus Christ come on.. we were trying to show, in good faith, that we’re not just pixel lusting bloodhounds, and that we would rather possibly lose a completely free mob and allow Riot to go compete against us, as for most of us we play this game for the spirit of competition, not the loot. “God” reacts. Really???? Like fuckin really? I don’t even know how that’s a response. Like yeah, we know there’s more than one guild on the server, we’re trying to let them have a chance at something they otherwise wouldn’t be able to touch due to bag limits.

tracker FTE = immediate concede is a good rule because it removes any and all ambiguity into what the result should be. no need to figure out if you interfered with a raid, or trained anyone, or anything else. were you beyond the race line? if yes, automatic concession. remember which bots are where, don't be bad.

re: you second paragraph: bag limits aren't between guilds, they are a server rule. it's not up to you all to decide if you want to offer the ability to skirt that rule. acting like you have the right to decide that is another example of your guild's outsize arrogance, which, quelle surprise, people don't like.

[Twochain]

tracker FTE = immediate concede is a good rule because it removes any and all ambiguity into what the result should be. no need to figure out if you interfered with a raid, or trained anyone, or anything else. were you beyond the race line? if yes, automatic concession. remember which bots are where, don't be bad.

re: you second paragraph: bag limits aren't between guilds, they are a server rule. it's not up to you all to decide if you want to offer the ability to skirt that rule. acting like you have the right to decide that is another example of your guild's outsize arrogance, which, quelle surprise, people don't like.

Well it was worded in such a way as, IF the gm's are okay with it we're okay with it.

[SantagarBrax]

I'm going to point out some things that my be able to help you guys succeed more in the raid scene.

1) Riot is too complacent in their old zerg mentality of clearing mobs one by one to the target and won't adapt. In addition, old play makers are retired/afk/Green/etc and new playmakers need to emerge. Kittens is knowledgeable on the engages, yet needs more repetition and both guilds need to work together more to become successful.

1) Kriot leadership determines the best thing to do is contest Lady M for over 4hrs, not realizing it's better to pivot to another target and not go down the route of triples madness when more than one guild is there. This is a prime example of poor leadership decisions by wasting everyone's time and willpower while a perfectly uncontested dragon is up (Lord K, Vyemm).

3) Lord Vyemm - Uncontested. Instead of utilizing this time to train and practice in a competitive environment, you guys automatically revert to pulling solo and clearing the old fashioned and unsuccessful way. Sure, you got the kill. Did it benefit you guys in any way or did you learn anything from it? No, you did not.

If these simple leadership problems are addressed, and you guys actually practice competitive engagement practices, I firmly believe you can climb back into the winning column and boost morale overall.