"We want people to obtain their levels naturally via kills" --Rogean

[Castle2.0]

Public Service Announcement: There will be no quest experience until approximately December 6, 2020

In regards to Rogean's statement below I have a couple questions and a couple observations for Rogean, the Devs and the community

Exploits
Is turning in level appropriate quest items for classic quests for the normal quest exp an exploit? What "expected exploits" did you find and if you "expected" them could we just have patched the exploits?

What is "obtaining levels naturally"?
For 1 month people can't use bonechips and lightstones, but level 1 Iksars can use Brazier of Elemental Summoning (http://wiki.project1999.com/Brazier_of_Elemental_Summoning) to summon a level 12 fire pet with a 14dmg DS that lasts until you zone or log

For 1 month people can't use gnoll scrolls, but certain guilds with 1-2 Red Dragoon Tooth (http://wiki.project1999.com/Red_Dragon_Tooth) can have level 1's summon level 50 lifetapping 55dmg quadding monsters to take them to level 50.

Are those 2 ways "obtaining their levels naturally" as Rogean describes it?

Conclusion
It seems the elite with dragon teeth can level how they please, but those plebs who gathered bones and stones can take a hike.

EQ was great because it was a sandbox. Sadly, P99 is becoming more and more of theme park. Cherrypicking what isn't classic has added to this. Calling normal classic quests at the normal levels giving normal exp "exploits" is gaslighting. You could just say "We personally don't like this way of doing things." It would be more honest.

[Baler]

Kunvid-19 is not a laughing matter.
Stay Safe Norrathians. :)

[Oddbaal]

welcome to the sick social experiment! don't get me wrong I enjoy this free project

but..

"classic"
(when it suits us)

[Knuckle]

Those are actually really good points, we already saw some iksar pretty high level from dedicatd PL teams, does seem the lower level folk just get crippled that aren't able to be PL'd now they cant get quest xp either. Maybe there's something else we're missing here.

[Zoolander]

those ppl who WOULD abuse it, are already lvl 30 in less than a day.

those ppl who don't abuse it, are still lvl 10 in blackburrow

rogean, it was a mistake.

[Baler]

Maybe there's something else we're missing here.

Are you suggesting that Kunvid-19 was man made in an effort to root out people abusing game mechanics?!

[Castle2.0]

Turning in lots of quest items is as much 'abuse' and 'exploiting' as killing lots of mobs ;)

[BiG SiP]

red server when daddy

[Videri]

How many corpses?

[Izmael]

Sorry you didn't get to cheese your way to 60.

[Baler]

How many corpses?

Did people really corpse for 90% exp rez and swarm back to full exp at 50? oh man RiP to them, lol.
That was one of the more clever ideas I saw on the forums prior to kunark launch.

[DoctorBonks]

What bothers me the most is that this experiment hurts new players drastically worse than other players. Some of us joined less than a month ago and now have an even tougher uphill battle to catch up to established players.

Those players who have been on for a while can still twink and give over powered items to their new toons. Us newer players are now stuck on the hard grind trying to get our first toon above 40 until early December. Even if we wanted to start a new iksar, we now have to contend with twinked out, power leveling guilds.

As others have stated, the type of players who would use these exploits already have way better exploits that go way beyond crushbone belts, greater lightstones, and gnoll teeth. I honestly hope this is reversed or is limited to iksars.

[magnetaress]

Naturally

[DoodyLich666]

I’m not trying to bitch too much, but this quest nerf kind of sucks.
Yeah, I’m a huge noob that only plays like 3-8 hours a week. I don’t have homies to buff we while I grind a good spot, and I am usually unable to commit to a group for too long because I am a working man with small children. I work in a factory and cannot kill shit and get back to work. I am terrible at evergrind, but in the night I like to smoke a bowl, drink a beer, listen to some dungeon synth, and quest my way around Norath for an hour or so before I go to sleep. I already leveled characters extremely slow because I only ever have the slightest idea what’s going on in this game.
This basically puts my leveling on all my toons to a standstill.

[Whofedsparta]

Well.. this sucks. Im out.

[feniin]

The guy who exploits wants to exploit - surprise surprise.

[Castle2.0]

What exploit?

[k9quaint]

/list
LOL

[Healicious]

QQ
Public Service Announcement: There will be no quest experience until approximately December 6, 2020

In regards to Rogean's statement below I have a couple questions and a couple observations for Rogean, the Devs and the community

Exploits
Is turning in level appropriate quest items for classic quests for the normal quest exp an exploit? What "expected exploits" did you find and if you "expected" them could we just have patched the exploits?

What is "obtaining levels naturally"?
For 1 month people can't use bonechips and lightstones, but level 1 Iksars can use Brazier of Elemental Summoning (http://wiki.project1999.com/Brazier_of_Elemental_Summoning) to summon a level 12 fire pet with a 14dmg DS that lasts until you zone or log

For 1 month people can't use gnoll scrolls, but certain guilds with 1-2 Red Dragoon Tooth (http://wiki.project1999.com/Red_Dragon_Tooth) can have level 1's summon level 50 lifetapping 55dmg quadding monsters to take them to level 50.

Are those 2 ways "obtaining their levels naturally" as Rogean describes it?

Conclusion
It seems the elite with dragon teeth can level how they please, but those plebs who gathered bones and stones can take a hike.

EQ was great because it was a sandbox. Sadly, P99 is becoming more and more of theme park. Cherrypicking what isn't classic has added to this. Calling normal classic quests at the normal levels giving normal exp "exploits" is gaslighting. You could just say "We personally don't like this way of doing things." It would be more honest.

[Tethler]

Well.. this sucks. Im out.

lol

[magnetaress]

skeletons need to die to give us their chips, seems natural enough

[mycoolrausch]

What bothers me the most is that this experiment hurts new players drastically worse than other players. Some of us joined less than a month ago and now have an even tougher uphill battle to catch up to established players.

Those players who have been on for a while can still twink and give over powered items to their new toons. Us newer players are now stuck on the hard grind trying to get our first toon above 40 until early December. Even if we wanted to start a new iksar, we now have to contend with twinked out, power leveling guilds.

As others have stated, the type of players who would use these exploits already have way better exploits that go way beyond crushbone belts, greater lightstones, and gnoll teeth. I honestly hope this is reversed or is limited to iksars.

Come to Blue I'll POTG you and give ya 20k worth of green gear

[Jibartik]

Wow is that wa—.... crap it’s this.

[Ravager]

Playing the game is dumb and lame. It's about sitting down for 5 minutes to hit the loot pinata and then go back to standing around in EC beating off hard to every inspect you get.

[Octopath]

Gotta agree with mannastone on this one. Stupid move by devs on this one.

[Castle2.0]

I am just curious what they mean by "exploit."

It appears that they consider "exploit" really opens up changing/eliminating large parts of the game.

The sandbox is shrinking and sand is leaking out. A little smaller, a little less life. If they keep going we end up with a tiny, lifeless box.

[magnetaress]

as a causual person with life altering problems (i'm not going to sell myself short and call them disabilities) I am going to say it's unhealthy when you have to kill so many mobs to get a level instead of EC tunneling for chips and being healthier

[kjs86z]

consider blue

[reznor_]

OP sounds upset

[Arvan]

Not classic but a funny whiney post

[Jauna]

The no exp thing would be 100% acceptable if we got some fucking warning for it. I personally filled up 3 elves with deathfist belts looking to make some fucking money for spells and now i have nothing

[Zipity]

As others have said if you are super hurt about your gnome scroll nerf, you don’t have near as many as others, either save them for when they lift the nerf and enjoy free exp or death loop to level 15 and then pay a cleric with a truwian baton to power Rez you for three hours. This should get you to around level 58.

[Zipity]

Gnoll scroll*

[Tunabros]

lol i saw a 30 ikky necro in CT

[Strifer]

So is this classic EQ, or classic* EQ?





* please note that due to player behaviors we must curb classic game play mechanics to better serve what our vision is that we would like to have on our server. This includes railroading experience gains as we see fit, along with specific raid rules that must be adhered to including but not limited to changes of boss raid mechanics. Please remain calm and enjoy our server, as its the highest pop EQEMU experience, not to mention you already have a decade invested in us, so what else are ya gonna do nerd?

[BiG SiP]

https://i.imgur.com/1Wqrbin.gif

[Hrothgar]

imagine waiting all year for kunark to drop so you could be the first iksar to level 2, or whatever strangemo cheevs you were going for.

[supercalif]

Sorry you don’t have warder loot yet.

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you don’t have warder loot yet.

[hobart]

Did you tell them about Hunter Biden's laptop yet, OP? That will let them know you're serious.

[Daloon]

How unclassic can we get boys ?

quest exp doesnt exist on p99... lmao what the hell am I reading

Green server sounds fucking retarded btw

[Zoolander]

nerds don't care about quest exp, they just powerlevel up anyways.

plebs are the ones who are screwed. well played ….

[AenorVZ]

red server when daddy

[bktroost]

Insert obligatory comment about TAKP being the superior classic server.

[Ripqozko]

Insert obligatory comment about TAKP being the superior classic server.

if i join you gonna change my guild name too?

[PabloEdvardo]

The best part about this whiny ass post is that OP has no idea what he's talking about.

Hey OP, go click a tooth at lvl1 and screenshot that you are able to do it 8)

[Strifer]

How unclassic can we get boys ?

quest exp doesnt exist on p99... lmao what the hell am I reading

Green server sounds fucking retarded btw

I'm actually really disappointed seeing what they're doing, as I recently started playing Green and was kind of excited to get a fresh start.

I guess their precident of abandoning classic mechanics expanded from the raid scene...though good thing we got the shaders working! Also the fact it appears it was not communicated well, as there's a few posts in other parts of the forums that show people confused by this change, thinking its a bug.

Long game people will get upset and press on...but I am a bit worried about what unannounced, non-classic twist may be coming down the road and what other effects it will have on the community.

Starting small and growing is how these things usually go...im not expecting cats on the moon anytime soon but unless someone can correct me and show that EQLive also disabled quest exp for the first month of launch, this sour taste in my mouth from this isn't going away anytime soon.

[Bardp1999]

Basically what ive heard is people had absurd amounts of quest loot corpsed and I guess it was to a point of stupidness that the powers at be thought the best solution is to just disable quest XP - totally non classic, but so is knowing everything about EQ

[Scalem]

Basically what ive heard is people had absurd amounts of quest loot corpsed and I guess it was to a point of stupidness that the powers at be thought the best solution is to just disable quest XP - totally non classic, but so is knowing everything about EQ

There was a certain individual or rather group of individuals who loaded up alt accounts as well as a huge pile of corpses containing paw scrolls to turn in the moment Kunark dropped to power to 60 or as close as possible.

[Strifer]

https://i.imgur.com/MMjjlbm.png

[Sirquestalot]

@ Strifer: I don't have any proof / documentation, but I was playing on the Agnarr progression server when the shit hit the fan. No, they didn't disable all quest exp for a month; what they did was even worse... they nerfed all quest experience by a factor of about 90% forever and ever, amen.

Why did this happen? Well, as Rogean insinuated, players cheesed the mechanics to the point of exploit, blasting out (high) levels as soon as the expansion dropped in a variety of ways. But the worst offense only became possible because in their infinite wisdom, the live game devs over the years made it possible to hand in literally thousands of quests at once. (Quest items could be handed in in stacks, and stack sizes were increased to 1000 for tradeskill items. Red wine, fire beetle eyes and bonechips are all tradeskill items on live, in case you didn't know.) So it became possible to hand in 1000, or even 4000 quests at once.

The side effect of this situation was that newb toons couldn't even get hold of a bone chip or fire beetle eye in certain locations because level 50+ pet classes were clearing every spawn the moment it spawned.

Sure, this mass quest turn-in scenario doesn't apply to us on p99, but the equivalent power gamer exploit phenomenon is "why we can't have nice things." At least for us it's only one month and not forever. Personally, I would have laughed if the other live server solution had been implemented: corpse wipe with expac drop. But on p99, that would just have created a million petitions for lost inventory. And our devs / moderators don't deserve that kind of grief. They work hard and we owe them thanks for that.

[Nuggie]

Guys were trying to game the system and got got themselves. Time to move on(with the game or with your lives if you can't handle the P99 admin decisions). And that's just the way it is, in all its brutal cruelty. Sorry to be the messenger.

[jolanar]

How unclassic can we get boys ?

quest exp doesnt exist on p99... lmao what the hell am I reading

Green server sounds fucking retarded btw

This. It's time we stop pretending this server is classic. It's whatever the fuck Rogean wants it to be, and it certainly isn't classic.

[magnetaress]

Necromancy is unnatural but bone chips are real and part of a natural process.

[GoldenGoat99]

Gotta say I'm kind of surprised to see so many people in this thread that regard quest xp as a somehow illegitimate form of leveling.

Like, sure, dumping a truckload of bones onto a dwarf to become powerful is an innately funny thing to imagine. But I always just thought that was part of the charm of playing a 20 year old MMO. Yall pick some strange places to draw the line.

[Kohedron]

Ah, the """""""""""classic""""""""""""" server.

[kudlezz]

lol

[Donkey Hotay]

There was a certain individual or rather group of individuals who loaded up alt accounts as well as a huge pile of corpses containing paw scrolls to turn in the moment Kunark dropped to power to 60 or as close as possible.


ahaha Mannastone BTFO. I had forgotten about him vulturing the spire gnolls for the past several weeks.

[busted]

The bread quest was classic.

This gluten inorlant nerf is offensive to bread eaters everywhere

"Bread quest has been replaced with free-range gluten-free low-fat non-GMO flatbread quest"

[Gugga]

All I know is Grugga personally wants to thank all of you whom I made thousands upon thousands of plat off of whilst living in SK killing gnolls... Sorry for your losses. #Istandwiththescrollpeople

[Khikik]

Is 50+ Free Login accounts to hold quest items classic? :cool:

[Zekayy]

Is 50+ Free Login accounts to hold quest items classic? :cool:

is it classic to have not gore and sev day 1? of course not but they arent in the game

[Baler]

Is 50+ Free Login accounts to hold quest items classic? :cool:

Some people's immersion knows n0 limts.

50 accounts * 4 Paw Scrolls = one sick individual.

[Bardp1999]

We are less than 48 hours into the xpac and we have level 40+ Iksars

[Tuljin]

Playing the game is dumb and lame. It's about sitting down for 5 minutes to hit the loot pinata and then go back to standing around in EC beating off hard to every inspect you get.

[kaizersoze]

We are less than 48 hours into the xpac and we have level 40+ Iksars

neckbeards at record lengths

[drackgon]

Is 50+ Free Login accounts to hold quest items classic? :cool:

omg hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I am sorry. I am dying laughing. Man I for one and glad they did this. Day 1 green we had tons exploit Qeynos quest made the race unfair.. bright side Someone gave back to the community paying for all those scrolls:)

[Ripqozko]

Nerf it more and give everyone hybrid penalties

[Jibartik]

One day my time travel machine will be complete and then the answer to that question will mandala effect into "yes it was, that one guy jibartik who did every server first did that with a warehouse of kids in that giant everquest cult."

[Mayge]

I wasn't surprised at all they nerfed the scroll quests. The lower level quests did surpise me a bit.

I imagine nerfing the other quests was a bit of a "just in case" measure. I think they are still a bit shell-shocked over the launch of green where they had people funneling assets to one player and that player leveling up incredibly quickly.

[Castle2.0]

Is 50+ Free Login accounts to hold quest items classic? Can just as easily do hundreds of free corpses, and yes, corpsing items is classic.



"This was not widespread classic therefore we must disallow it."



Sleeper was not killed during the Velious era on any server, therefore the Sleeper on Green must be marked unkillable. We need to do this just in case some people find out how to kill him.
Deleveling to 1 with Velious raid gear from VP was not a a widespread thing in classic. Therefore, if anyone does it on Green, they should be banned, or be level locked so you cannot attempt it.
Selling COTH teleports with your mage COTH bot was not a common widespread thing in classic. We must disallow it.
Open, server-wide raids was not a common widespread thing in classic. We must disallow it. Sorry, a few times, doesn't count.
Guild mage bot armies at the very release of PoSky was not a common widespread thing in classic. We should have disallowed it.


I hope we can find more creative ideas to crush to make the server a generic uninteractive recreation of the average of all live servers during classic. Because... isn't that the goal?

Besides, it's not like 10-15 years after Sleeper was killed gamer magazines still wrote articles on how RZ killed him.

[Castle2.0]

Oh and to the people bitching about "it gives them an unfair disadvantage, I have 2 points.

1. Yes, intelligence, creativity, and time invested is and should be a fair advantage.

2. A level 60 with Vanilla gear and none of their dropped spells won't be soloing much in Kunark that can't be done by a few 51/52s. If you can think of a camp, lemme know.

Someone boosting to 60 on Day 1 wouldn't have any major advantage except they got the grind over - oh and bragging rights.

[Castle2.0]

This got moved to RnF so no editing - great.

We already have camps being monopolized by guild groups and casuals can't muster the force to even attempt to challenge them at this point.

Is their number of people, organization, and planning an unfair advantage that they got these camps first?

With Devs like this we would have no RZ sleeper kill, no fansy the bard, no server-specific culture worth writing about.

We're left with an impoverished server culture of "book not up" "grats bladefrenzy" and other trash-tier players doing trash-tier things.

[Droxx]

Sorry your manastones are worthless on a classic box.

[Baler]

Castle2.0 triple posting because mad

inb4 I aint even mad but signatures proves they mad.

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you dont got warder loot and wont get it either.

[Donkey Hotay]

We already have camps being monopolized by guild groups and casuals can't muster the force to even attempt to challenge them at this point.

Is their number of people, organization, and planning an unfair advantage that they got these camps first?


My guess is that this is the root of why the management did this and not for any 'classic experience'. Once the month ban is lifted, the guilds can then level their pleasure alts as normal with the loot they've been camping ahead of everyone else for that month.

I didn't care for the "this is why we can't have nice things" dig, as if P99's middle class is the problem here but hey it's free.

[magnetaress]

Naturally the game is called "EverQuest".

[feniin]

Castle2.0 triple posting because mad

inb4 I aint even mad but signatures proves they mad.

[Woke Locc]

Is 50+ Free Login accounts to hold quest items classic? :cool:

It's been a rough couple days for ol' Castle 😂

[Zoolander]

There was a certain individual or rather group of individuals who loaded up alt accounts as well as a huge pile of corpses containing paw scrolls to turn in the moment Kunark dropped to power to 60 or as close as possible.

can lore items be duped with corpses ? now that’s why south qeynos laged so hard a day before kunark with all those naked corpses near bank

[Castle2.0]

Don't be mad I got an instant-60 stored in my back pocket.

Let's have a race to 60. I'll give fennel and GetWokeGoBroke a 30-day head start and will still smoke you both :D

Come to think of it, I don't even think either of you play Green, you're just silly forum trolls.

Currently, my guild is killing fungus king - a 60 toon wasn't critical. I just wanted to do something fun. I'll do fastest 1-60 ever. Will never be done again.

A lot can happen in the next 30 days which is why I don't think it's been a rough few days by any means ;)

[feniin]

already got 3 60s. Don't need one on the noob server. Sorry.

[Castle2.0]

A beta player, I knew it, HAHAHA :D

[Albanwr]

already got 3 60s. Don't need one on the noob server. Sorry.

sorry you are stuck on Beta Blue Server

[Bagavan]

I'm still confused were people corpsing tons of tanned skins to turn in to get 60 quicker?

[Hudmar]

Think positively: PLer's are going to be making big cash this month!

[Scalem]

It's been a rough couple days for ol' Castle 😂

His dear leader lost and now he can’t add some other stupid “achievement” to his signature. The devs took the only thing going for him in his life away. He big mad.

[Zipity]

There are individuals with more scrolls than you who had the wherewithal to put on lvl ones since tradeable Item. Smarter individuals who won’t have to recorpse like you either...

[Castle2.0]

The devs took the only thing going for him in his life away. He big mad. You right bro, I'm so big mad. Straight ragin'

You weren't in the inner circle of people who shared this amazing journey with me so you're kinda missing it. The goal is to the fastest 1-60. I'll still do it - just gotta wait 1 month. When I do, you can bask in my elf awesomeness. My elf resume will get one more bullet point. At which point you will be so mad, so big mad. Straight ragin', just like I am right now ;)

There are individuals with more scrolls than you who had the wherewithal to put on lvl ones since tradeable Item. Smarter individuals who won’t have to recorpse like you either... Who you talking to?

[Scalem]

You right bro, I'm so big mad. Straight ragin'

You weren't in the inner circle of people who shared this amazing journey with me so you're kinda missing it. The goal is to the fastest 1-60. I'll still do it - just gotta wait 1 month. When I do, you can bask in my elf awesomeness. My elf resume will get one more bullet point. At which point you will be so mad, so big mad. Straight ragin', just like I am right now ;)

Who you talking to?

Cringe lord

[feniin]

You right bro, I'm so big mad. Straight ragin'

You weren't in the inner circle of people who shared this amazing journey with me so you're kinda missing it. The goal is to the fastest 1-60. I'll still do it - just gotta wait 1 month. When I do, you can bask in my elf awesomeness. My elf resume will get one more bullet point. At which point you will be so mad, so big mad. Straight ragin', just like I am right now ;)

Who you talking to?

Holy shit yikes. I thought you were only politically crazy. It's a syndrome with you. :eek:

[Mead]

Holy shit yikes. I thought you were only politically crazy. It's a syndrome with you. :eek:

People like him just go from one issue to the other, and are always going to feel like they're a victim. It must be a frustrating life

[Castle2.0]

Cringe lord And you're ignorant. Speaking out of your ass like you know something. I have more scrolls and more mules than any individual on the server.

Tell you what, go make a character with the name Scrollz + ANY 2 letters of the alphabet. Example: Scrollzaa or Scrollzzz.There are 676 combinations. Any combination will do. Send me a /tell on that toon and I will give 100,000 platinum to that toon. Deal? Get lost loser *ermergerdubernerdflex*

Holy shit yikes. I thought you were only politically crazy. It's a syndrome with you. Doing something no one has done before. I know, it's crazy. Elon Musk, Roger Bannister, all mad men. Thanks.

People like him just go from one issue to the other, and are always going to feel like they're a victim. It must be a frustrating life

Victim? I'm no victim. I just made a point that Devs make arbitrary changes "because classic" but are inconsistent. But you're right I'm the only one to ever say this...

Frustrating life? Obviously, some ignoramus on the internet called me mad, and that was enough for me.

I've seen this RnF trash forum for a while now. Predictable dunks that are total misses except for the uninitiated. I just don't care. But you can thank Devs for moving the thread here for more RnF fodder. Maybe RnF was getting boring.

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I'm sorry you've all been out-elfed. Don't be mad. Don't rage. Just accept it and move on. My prestigious elf resume will always be better than yours :cool:

[Zipity]

You right bro, I'm so big mad. Straight ragin'

You weren't in the inner circle of people who shared this amazing journey with me so you're kinda missing it. The goal is to the fastest 1-60. I'll still do it - just gotta wait 1 month. When I do, you can bask in my elf awesomeness. My elf resume will get one more bullet point. At which point you will be so mad, so big mad. Straight ragin', just like I am right now ;)

Who you talking to?

Talking to you.

[Castle2.0]

Zipity, sorry I mixed you up wither another nerd.

Same response:

And you're ignorant. Speaking out of your ass like you know something. I have more scrolls and more mules than any individual on the server.

Tell you what, go make a character with the name Scrollz + ANY 2 letters of the alphabet. Example: Scrollzaa or Scrollzzz.There are 676 combinations. Any combination will do. Send me a /tell on that toon and I will give 100,000 platinum to that toon. Deal? Get lost loser *ermergerdubernerdflex*

[Strifer]

Guys were trying to game the system and got got themselves. Time to move on(with the game or with your lives if you can't handle the P99 admin decisions). And that's just the way it is, in all its brutal cruelty. Sorry to be the messenger.

Hey, its all good, you don't kill the messenger.

I can deal with the admin decisions, and even respect them. I just find that while of course this is to deter the folks who no-life camped hundreds, if not thousands of quest turnins... I think that the way it was gone about was rather poorly done.

Most of what I could see was a bulletpoint on a rather large list of patch notes, and I would also imagine that while many of us see the board often as denizens of RnF, there is also hundreds of people that had no idea until turn-ins were eaten and went to report a possible bug in their eyes. Most of the information I have been able to gather has been from secondary sources, and im sure the more casual side of the server wouldn't normally be able to see that either.

Even logging in, I would imagine that something as large as eliminating an entire EXP source for the entire server for a month would garner at least a message on the MOTD saying something along the lines of .."Please note that quest experience has been disabled for 30 days to allow fair races to level 60" which would make complete sense, but nothing is there and acting as if nothing is different.

I'm willing to concede that this server has non-classic policies in place in order to suit the server admins vision and will continue to do so going forward. I do hope that at the very least they make these types of decisions going forward better communicated so that there isn't as much confusion as to why. I've seen posts from server staff when making changes to the raid scene, it would be beneficial for the server as a whole to have that happen as well for larger, temporary changes like this too.

[hobart]

Doing something no one has done before. I know, it's crazy. Elon Musk, Roger Bannister, all mad men. Thanks.

Look guise, it's Jethro Galt.

[Zipity]

Zipity, sorry I mixed you up wither another nerd.

Same response:

And you're ignorant. Speaking out of your ass like you know something. I have more scrolls and more mules than any individual on the server.

Tell you what, go make a character with the name Scrollz + ANY 2 letters of the alphabet. Example: Scrollzaa or Scrollzzz.There are 676 combinations. Any combination will do. Send me a /tell on that toon and I will give 100,000 platinum to that toon. Deal? Get lost loser *ermergerdubernerdflex*

This proves nothing and doesn’t discredit my point, there are still individuals with more scrolls than you.

[Castle2.0]

Your points were:

My scrolls are on corpses. Wrong, they are on mules. I just gave you all their names. And a chance to prove me wrong and win an easy 100,000 platinum (if you're right)
You claim someone has more scrolls than me. Also wrong. Only one other person did what I did on this scale, I know them, and they have multiple hundreds less than I do.


I know, I know, you have so much plat it's not worth your time to make a mule and collect 100,000 platinum.

Sorry, I didn't know I was in the presence of such greatness, Zipity.

Seeing that's the case and I have 100k to give away... If anyone else can do it, lemme know. 100k will be yours.

[Zipity]

Your points were:

My scrolls are on corpses. Wrong, they are on mules. I just gave you all their names. And a chance to prove me wrong and win an easy 100,000 platinum (if you're right)
You claim someone has more scrolls than me. Also wrong. Only one other person did what I did on this scale, I know them, and they have multiple hundreds less than I do.


I know, I know, you have so much plat it's not worth your time to make a mule and collect 100,000 platinum.

Sorry, I didn't know I was in the presence of such greatness, Zipity.

Seeing that's the case and I have 100k to give away... If anyone else can do it, lemme know. 100k will be yours.

So you’ll give me 100k if I can prove that someone else can 0-60 on scrolls?
Do you have over 2000 scrolls just curious, bc with just scrollzaa-scrollzz you would have
Less than 2k scrolls

[Zipity]

Also there’s several wizards who pbaoed fear this week who out DPS your wand video.

[Castle2.0]

Nice goalpost moving there. I didn't say no one else can go 0-60 on scrolls. Nice try newb. I said I had the most mules and scrolls.

Yes, I have significantly more than 2,000. You can find out the final number when I set a record in ~30 days, and I won't even be using them all.

Your math is terrible. 676 mules could carry up to ~2,7000 scrolls. Even with just 3 scrolls per mule you're breaking 2,000.

Also, anyone using scrolls for 0-30 is just burning scrolls due to 11% exp cap per exp event. I've only claimed I'm going to have the fastest 1-60. Scrolls are just part of the equation.

There's your math lesson, your mule lesson, your scroll lesson, and your exp quest grind lesson for the day.

[Castle2.0]

Also there’s several wizards who pbaoed fear this week who out DPS your wand video. You sound mad bro. Would love to see the video with proof of date + calculations to prove it ;) My claim to fame is #1 DPS in classic. No one beat it in classic. Unless you got the evidence *erhergerubernerdflex*

But let's talk about this and not scrolls. I feel bad pwning you on this scroll topic man. Bc you probably mad... straight ragin' just like me ;)

[feniin]

dude spends 6 months farming gnolls, get pwned by the devs, and is now losing his mind. it's beautiful.

[Zipity]

Atleast you’ll always have the priest of discord kill, I still don’t think you have the most scrolls. I heard you bragging you had like 800 a couple of days ago I guess you’ve tripled your stash since then.

[Castle2.0]

Correction: #1 Solo DPS Serverwide

At some point in Kunark someone will beat it, and I then I'll update it to #1 Solo DPS in Classic :D

[Zipity]

Pbaoe in fear happened during classic

[Castle2.0]

Atleast you’ll always have the priest of discord kill, I still don’t think you have the most scrolls. I heard you bragging you had like 800 a couple of days ago I guess you’ve tripled your stash since then. Now you just straight lying to cover your butt lolol. Owned.

dude spends 6 months farming gnolls, get pwned by the devs, and is now losing his mind. it's beautiful. 6 months? Damn now I feel all special how fast I did it. I am crazy. I have lost my mind. Elon, Roger, remember? Thanks.

[Castle2.0]

Pbaoe in fear happened during classic Video + calculations of solo wiz PBAEing? Let's see it. If so, that will make me mad bro. Do it. Go make me mad :D

[Zipity]

Oh I already discussed with you that bards do more DPS in classic on the regular.
127 dmg per tic on 25 mobs = Approximately 529dps

[Castle2.0]

So the solo wiz gathers up 25 PoFear mobs and channels through their hits and has enough hp to live, then hits em up his PBAE, then does it again for a sustained 1 minute or so?

I want to meet this Wizard, they sound amazing!

Nice theoryquest! Would love to see the bard or wiz doing this solo in classic on video. Make sure to type /time to show the date.

I am glad we're talking about this and not scrolls, since you got caught lying and talking out your ass :D

[Asteria]

those ppl who WOULD abuse it, are already lvl 30 in less than a day.

those ppl who don't abuse it, are still lvl 10 in blackburrow

rogean, it was a mistake.

I agree. Is there a specific quest or 2 that can be exploited to very high levels very fast I'm not aware of?

[Castle2.0]

Zipity went to bed. Here's a lullaby to help you sleep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWu0wChlWjw

I agree. Is there a specific quest or 2 that can be exploited to very high levels very fast I'm not aware of? Great question.

Only quest exp exploit I can think of would be one that returns the turn-in item that can be turned in multiple times. I haven't seen that on P99, and that isn't the situation Rogean is referring to.

There is no exploit. Rogean used the word incredibly loosely.

For example, if someone stockpiles 15,000 greater lightstones, they can go 50-60 somewhat fast. Does that mean they exploited? Does that mean the quest is an exploit?

[Zyth]

Get a life

[Castle2.0]

Asteria, the quests in question have remain unchanged for over 1 year. The turn-in items, the drop rate of those items, the amount of quest exp for for the quest, the NPC, etc. are all 100% the same. The only thing that changed is a very small amount of people decided to stockpile these quest items to make some big plays.

[Castle2.0]

Get a life Dude, I have so many alts, so it's like having multiple lives. I am sorry I have more alts than you, therefore I have more "life" (cumulatively speaking) than you. *erhmergerdubernerdflex*

Some people are just jealous I got more hair on my neck than they do on their heads *shrug*

[Asteria]

As others have said if you are super hurt about your gnome scroll nerf, you don’t have near as many as others, either save them for when they lift the nerf and enjoy free exp or death loop to level 15 and then pay a cleric with a truwian baton to power Rez you for three hours. This should get you to around level 58.

There was a certain individual or rather group of individuals who loaded up alt accounts as well as a huge pile of corpses containing paw scrolls to turn in the moment Kunark dropped to power to 60 or as close as possible.

ahaha Mannastone BTFO. I had forgotten about him vulturing the spire gnolls for the past several weeks.

All I know is Grugga personally wants to thank all of you whom I made thousands upon thousands of plat off of whilst living in SK killing gnolls... Sorry for your losses. #Istandwiththescrollpeople

Is 50+ Free Login accounts to hold quest items classic? :cool:

Oh and to the people bitching about "it gives them an unfair disadvantage, I have 2 points.

1. Yes, intelligence, creativity, and time invested is and should be a fair advantage.

2. A level 60 with Vanilla gear and none of their dropped spells won't be soloing much in Kunark that can't be done by a few 51/52s. If you can think of a camp, lemme know.

Someone boosting to 60 on Day 1 wouldn't have any major advantage except they got the grind over - oh and bragging rights.

Maybe they just didn't want your AIDS signature growing with more self-fellatio like "1st level 60 on Green99."

[Asteria]

Manna, Maybe they just didn't want your AIDS signature growing with more self-fellatio like "1st level 60 on Green99."

[Castle2.0]

Ya, people be jealous of my sig. I get it. I get it.

Sorry, I was born awesome. It's just how I am.

I wasn't even going for first to 60. My fellow scroll-stacker was a 51 going for 60. That was his thing.

I want the ultimate: fastest 1-60, and I will get it :)

[Castle2.0]

This thread so far.

Only quest exp exploit I can think of would be one that returns the turn-in item that can be turned in multiple times. I haven't seen that on P99, and that isn't the situation Rogean is referring to.

There is no exploit. Rogean used the word incredibly loosely.

For example, if someone stockpiles 15,000 greater lightstones, they can go 50-60 somewhat fast. Does that mean they exploited? Does that mean the quest is an exploit?




Sleeper was not killed during the Velious era on any server, therefore the Sleeper on Green must be marked unkillable. We need to do this just in case some people find out how to kill him.
Deleveling to 1 with Velious raid gear from VP was not a a widespread thing in classic. Therefore, if anyone does it on Green, they should be banned, or be level locked so you cannot attempt it.
Selling COTH teleports with your mage COTH bot was not a common widespread thing in classic. We must disallow it.
Open, server-wide raids was not a common widespread thing in classic. We must disallow it. Sorry, a few times, doesn't count.
Guild mage bot armies at the very release of PoSky was not a common widespread thing in classic. We should have disallowed it.


I hope we can find more creative ideas to crush to make the server a generic uninteractive recreation of the average of all live servers during classic. Because... isn't that the goal?

Besides, it's not like 10-15 years after Sleeper was killed gamer magazines still wrote articles on how RZ killed him.

[Zekayy]

This thread so far.

the only flaw in this is that the sleeper wasnt killed on p99 he was awakened theres a huge difference other than that I agree with you castle2.0

[Castle2.0]

My point is that according to this logic he should be tagged unkillable/invulnerable since he was not killed during the "classic timeline" of any server.

I know he hasn't been killed yet on P99. To stop him from being killed, they should make him unkillable. It's one more way to make sure nothing major that didn't happen in classic can happen on P99.

The P99 community might do something amazing, unite a bunch of players, create an incredible experience and a story worth telling. It would be absolutely terrible. So not classic.

[Ripqozko]

the only flaw in this is that the sleeper wasnt killed on p99 he was awakened theres a huge difference other than that I agree with you castle2.0

i was there, sorry yall were not. Sorry you dont got warder loot. ill be glad to show you were we killed them if you want.

[Castle2.0]

Dude, I didn't play Beta. I don't even know what a warder is. Sounds like a Beastlor pet name from the mooncats era. You need to be branded and expelled from the community.

#NotClassic

[Asteria]

His dear leader lost and now he can’t add some other stupid “achievement” to his signature. The devs took the only thing going for him in his life away. He big mad.

You right bro, I'm so big mad. Straight ragin' :mad::mad:

You weren't in the inner circle of people who shared this amazing journey with me so you're kinda missing it. The goal is to the fastest 1-60. I'll still do it - just gotta wait 1 month. When I do, you can bask in my elf awesomeness. My elf resume will get one more bullet point. At which point you will be so mad, so big mad. Straight ragin', just like I am right now ;)

Who you talking to?

Cringe lord

Holy shit yikes. I thought you were only politically crazy. It's a syndrome with you. :eek:

People like him just go from one issue to the other, and are always going to feel like they're a victim. It must be a frustrating life

And you're ignorant. Speaking out of your ass like you know something. I have more scrolls and more mules than any individual on the server.

Tell you what, go make a character with the name Scrollz + ANY 2 letters of the alphabet. Example: Scrollzaa or Scrollzzz.There are 676 combinations. Any combination will do. Send me a /tell on that toon and I will give 100,000 platinum to that toon. Deal? Get lost loser *ermergerdubernerdflex*

Doing something no one has done before. I know, it's crazy. Elon Musk, Roger Bannister, all mad men.

I'm sorry you've all been out-elfed. Don't be mad. Don't rage. Just accept it and move on. My prestigious elf resume will always be better than yours :cool:

You claim someone has more scrolls than me. Also wrong. Only one other person did what I did on this scale, I know them, and they have multiple hundreds less than I do.
[/list]



Nice goalpost moving there. I didn't say no one else can go 0-60 on scrolls. Nice try newb. I said I had the most mules and scrolls.

Yes, I have significantly more than 2,000. You can find out the final number when I set a record in ~30 days, and I won't even be using them all.



dude spends 6 months farming gnolls, get pwned by the devs, and is now losing his mind. it's beautiful.

[Castle2.0]

I hear what you're saying Asteria, but you're missing the point.

This thread so far.


Only quest exp exploit I can think of would be one that returns the turn-in item that can be turned in multiple times. I haven't seen that on P99, and that isn't the situation Rogean is referring to.

There is no exploit. Rogean used the word incredibly loosely.

For example, if someone stockpiles 15,000 greater lightstones, they can go 50-60 somewhat fast. Does that mean they exploited? Does that mean the quest is an exploit?




Sleeper was not killed during the Velious era on any server, therefore the Sleeper on Green must be marked unkillable. We need to do this just in case some people find out how to kill him.
Deleveling to 1 with Velious raid gear from VP was not a a widespread thing in classic. Therefore, if anyone does it on Green, they should be banned, or be level locked so you cannot attempt it.
Selling COTH teleports with your mage COTH bot was not a common widespread thing in classic. We must disallow it.
Open, server-wide raids was not a common widespread thing in classic. We must disallow it. Sorry, a few times, doesn't count.
Guild mage bot armies at the very release of PoSky was not a common widespread thing in classic. We should have disallowed it.

I hope we can find more creative ideas to crush to make the server a generic uninteractive recreation of the average of all live servers during classic. Because... isn't that the goal?

Besides, it's not like 10-15 years after Sleeper was killed gamer magazines still wrote articles on how RZ killed him.

[Castle2.0]

Oh and I forgot the troll song. That was a big part of the thread too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWu0wChlWjw

[Castle2.0]

Oh and I prefer having my Elfchievements in my signature than the crazy crap in your signature.

Law of Attraction and other superstitious silliness.

Really now?

[Jibartik]

Omgosh I never put two and two together you were that little halfling runnning around sowing and buying scrolls for 50p? haha I used to tell people "theres scrolls that give exp but if you need plat there is a guy who is like an NPC out there buying them" haha that was you? It had to be!

I feel bad your plan didn't work but good try.

[Castle2.0]

I feel bad your plan didn't work but good try. Jibartik pays attention.

My plan was to do the fastest 1-60. I will still do it. The plan has been delayed is all. Check my elf resume in mid to later December ;)

[Nuggie]

In before manna catches a vacation.

[Castle2.0]

Nuggie, I would love a vacation. Maybe you know something I don't? Do share.

[Nuggie]

You're angry and bashing the devs.

[Castle2.0]

??? You must be taking me seriously when I say I am mad and straight ragin'. It's just me pokin fun at the "umadbro" oh-so-creative memesters that lurk the RnF. Sorry you took me seriously. Not mad, my bro /hug

I am simply disagreeing with Devs, and I am being civil about it. I haven't called the Devs any mean names or use any foul language towards them.

Feel free to quote me if I have committed elf crimes worthy of banishment from the realm.

[Castle2.0]

I didn't even think this was an RnF thread, so I didn't post it in RnF. It was moved by the mods here /boggle

I was hoping for an in-depth discussion with my fellow elves on the philosophy behind the decisions and the +/- of various positions. It would have been nice for the Devs to chime in with their reasoning.

2-3 guild mage bots do more 'harm' to the server than 1-2 people being 60 when everyone else is 51/52.

They took a sledgehammer to a fly of a perceived problem. They misread the 'problem' and overreacted to their misread. That's not disrespectful, and it's not an insult.

I'm sure the Devs can handle constructive criticism.

[Jibartik]

how much was your guess that your total amassed scrolls may have given you? (approx mind you cus now we'll have to wait for them to unlock it when you try it on an alt to find out ha)

[Castle2.0]

I can't give away all the details. You'll have to catch the video/post in December with everyone else.

I've been raging all night (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnQhWNswkHo), it's time for some sleep :)

[Castle2.0]

Oh, and scrolls already got nerfed. When Kunark dropped you got more Gnolls (roamers) in SK, but drop rate on scrolls seemed to have gone to crap.

No mention from Devs, so either it was multiple people on streak of bad RNG, or it's shadow nerf.

[Nagoya]

dude, you were really excited about all this uh?
must have been a bummer u_u

[Asteria]

Oh and I prefer having my Elfchievements in my signature than the crazy crap in your signature.

Law of Attraction and other superstitious silliness.

Really now?

Sorry to hear you're not joining the 0.01% any time soon by following the greatest secret known to elves and halflings. :(

[bigfun]

Pretty silly to punish all the new players who came to play an iksar or do kunark. Poopsockers gonna poopsock either way.

Pretty cool to get level 27 on my month old toon and see someone out level me in 8hrs lol...

gonna try to lvl my enchanter to 12 before firepots is patched i guess and try to get it on an iksar necro but i doubt ill be able to find that much xp in time... oh well whatever

[adichi]

Pretty silly to punish all the new players who came to play an iksar or do kunark. Poopsockers gonna poopsock either way.

Pretty cool to get level 27 on my month old toon and see someone out level me in 8hrs lol...

gonna try to lvl my enchanter to 12 before firepots is patched i guess and try to get it on an iksar necro but i doubt ill be able to find that much xp in time... oh well whatever

did you have 5 druids and bis items to hold your hand to 27? if not don't feel bad at all friend

[kudlezz]

Please try to find someone to talk to my dude this has gone from amusing to worrying fast.

[kjs86z]

wouldnt happen on blue

[Castle2.0]

Sorry to hear you're not joining the 0.01% any time soon by following the greatest secret known to elves and halflings. I already got that one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea8GyscSFaQ) for 2 easy payments of 19.95 and 1 semi-difficult post-dated check payment of 119.95. Saw it on the box @ 3AM, bought it @ 3:59AM before timer ticked down to 0:00, like a true champ. So I got that going for me, which is nice. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWcRqPesws)

[Castle2.0]

[quote=kudel]Please try to find someone to talk to my dude this has gone from amusing to worrying fast.[/quotes]Thanks bro, I appreciate the concern *fist bump*

[Ravager]

Congratulations! Achievement Locked!

[Ashenden]

is it classic to have not gore and sev day 1? of course not but they arent in the game

ResidentSleeper

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000809.html

AUGUST 9, 2000

Dragons:

Rumor has it that some new dragons have been spotted in Kunark. It should be noted however that the dragons can be engaged from much further away than is intended. Rather than hold off implementing these dragons for another week, we've decided to implement them now and fix the problem in the next patch. Enjoy :)

[Ashenden]

Also big yikes at this thread. Please stop bullying Mannastone, he worked hard to dual-box those scrolls.

[Baler]

ResidentSleeper

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000809.html

AUGUST 9, 2000

Dragons:

Rumor has it that some new dragons have been spotted in Kunark. It should be noted however that the dragons can be engaged from much further away than is intended. Rather than hold off implementing these dragons for another week, we've decided to implement them now and fix the problem in the next patch. Enjoy :)

Fixed the wiki pages, Thanks :)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Gorenaire
https://wiki.project1999.com/Severilous

[Ashenden]

Fixed the wiki pages, Thanks :)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Gorenaire
https://wiki.project1999.com/Severilous

I think maybe Talendork too? Not 100% but haven't heard anything about him on Green.

[Baler]

I think maybe Talendork too? Not 100% but haven't heard anything about him on Green.

ooh! if you find anything on this feel free to update the wiki or let me know! :D

[Baler]

ooh! if you find anything on this feel free to update the wiki or let me know! :D

fuck it I went bold and changed https://wiki.project1999.com/Talendor

[BlackBellamy]

Gotta agree with mannastone on this one. Stupid move by devs on this one.

After playing my Iksar for a couple of days I agree.

This just screws all the newbie Iksar for no reason. It's not like there's a TON of exp quests but you know it sucks to be collecting the stupid curscales and then you're expecting a bubble of exp as always and you get nothing. Makes it not worth it.

And the communication about it is less than ideal. I have people in the FoB going where is my quest exp all day.

I mean wouldn't it have been better to just disable like the three or four quests people were actually exploiting?

[magnetaress]

Are the exp quests still active on blue? Asking for a friend.

[Zal22]

Another Mannastone meltdown.

You really are a pissy little cunt.

[magnetaress]

Is red 1.0 still natural, can I get exp for chips on red?

[Bagavan]

Remember when Rogean posted a fake date on when Legacy items would be removed only to do it a month early? I'm in no way surprised by these quest changes or the fact that there was little to no communication regarding them. Unfortunately it just seems to be that way on this project.

[magnetaress]

Remember when Rogean posted a fake date on when Legacy items would be removed only to do it a month early? I'm in no way surprised by these quest changes or the fact that there was little to no communication regarding them. Unfortunately it just seems to be that way on this project.

It's their house. They did the work. Plenty of other EMU options available.

I just want red2.0 that won't wipe with real classic working quests and a kunark cap and item loot. But I am definitely not willing to edit databases for years on end to achieve it.

I think that would be the OG server that outlives wow and all the other emus.

[Bagavan]

It's their house. They did the work. Plenty of other EMU options available.

I just want red2.0 that won't wipe with real classic working quests and a kunark cap and item loot. But I am definitely not willing to edit databases for years on end to achieve it.

I think that would be the OG server that outlives wow and all the other emus.

Totally get that but the intentional lack of commutation is a bad look.

[Bardp1999]

Going to be funny when the GMs ban your mule accounts or ninja nerf scroll XP to spite you

[Woke Locc]

You should add in the time it took you to farm the scrolls

[strongNpretty]

Man some of you seriously struggle when changes are made to the servers.....

[strongNpretty]

i was there, sorry yall were not. Sorry you dont got warder loot. ill be glad to show you were we killed them if you want.

https://i.imgur.com/dEJRchU.jpg

[Castle2.0]

Going to be funny when the GMs ban your mule accounts or ninja nerf scroll XP to spite youMule accounts aren't illegal. I know a few people and a few guilds that would freak out if they were.

But if I get them outlawed, I guess I have to update my signature.

Scrolls being nerfed will be easy to pick up on. The wiki has some great documentation on how much exp they give at which level. I highly doubt they will be double nerfed. If you haven't visited SK, you'll notice they were already nerfed: drop rate is worse.

The impact of a level 60 on release day with vanilla gear and no dropped spells would be almost nothing. It's a 50 caster with a 60 caster's mana pool. The impact of a level 60 in 1 month will be about the same: almost nothing.

But if I get scroll exp nerfed, I guess have to update my signature.

Looks like I'll be padding my elf resume whatever happens :cool:

To the few mean mean bad people saying mean mean bad things about me, I have to say it is making me mad and I read and reread all your posts. Keep it up, it's working, and I really do care what you think.

WTS Manastone 300k

[Mead]

yikes

[Baler]

Mule accounts aren't illegal.

You should start paying $15 a month per account. :)

[Frug]

I'm sure the Devs can handle constructive criticism.

Based on what?

[BiG SiP]

I'm sure the Devs can handle constructive criticism.

LOL G1

[Castle2.0]

You should start paying $15 a month per account.Naw, corpses are free.

[Baler]

Naw, corpses are free.

How many corpses?

[Sethius Marlowe]

Fucking, ALL of them.

COMMAS ARE IMPORTANT.

[Sethius Marlowe]

(just testing out the new sig)

[Castle2.0]

Baler,

If accounts weren't free, people will corpse. If accounts are free, people will use accounts for the convenience. 1 mule = 1 corpse, you can do the math.

Fucking, ALL of them.

COMMAS ARE IMPORTANT.

Agreed. I'm guilty myself of comma misuse and clubbing teams of baby seals. My elf crime rap sheet grows :(

[Baler]

Baler,
If accounts weren't free, people will corpse. If accounts are free, people will use accounts for the convenience. 1 mule = 1 corpse, you can do the math.


Don't dodge the question. How many corpses did you make with quest turn in items?

You'd better have a good PR team if you're one of the people that caused the no quest exp. ;)

[OuterChimp]

Is there somewhere in South Karana that I can go to to see a pile of corpses?

[Castle2.0]

Don't dodge the question. How many corpses did you make with quest turn in items?

You'd better have a good PR team if you're one of the people that caused the no quest exp. You can get the full story when I complete my epic quest and share the details of my journey sailing into elven history. If you read earlier in this thread you'll see I'm storying scrolls on mules. My point was if accounts were $15/month, I and anyone else saving items would do it on corpses.

I am not running a project which hopes to keep/attract players. It wasn't my decision. So, I don't need a PR team :)

[strongNpretty]

Is there somewhere in South Karana that I can go to to see a pile of corpses?

You don't actually want to see this.. It'll make you sad. Not cause people are getting screwed, but because people go to these lengths on P99....

[Castle2.0]

UPDATE: No one has taken me up on my 100,000 platinum offer. I'm shocked, I tell you. Read earlier posts if you're new to the thread.

[Castle2.0]

You don't actually want to see this.. It'll make you sad. Not cause people are getting screwed, but because people go to these lengths on P99.... I was in SK after Kunark to see the new setup of roaming gnolls and check the drop rate. Sorry pals, there is no pile of corpses to see. Maybe those were rumors? ;)

[reznor_]

OP still at it, big kek

[magnetaress]

It's natural to be upset about unclassic changes to a classic museum.

[reznor_]

op belongs to D3 or WoW if he wants achievements, eventually his sig will run out of characters

[magnetaress]

Make bone chips great again.

[Woke Locc]

op belongs to D3 or WoW if he wants achievements, eventually his sig will run out of characters

Wow similarly nerfed exp quests at cata or panda launch. I had a pile of the books(?) but cashed them out before the zoinking 😘

[Castle2.0]

op belongs to D3 or WoW if he wants achievements, eventually his sig will run out of characters You don't think I have a website I am waiting to launch when this happens that I can link in my signature? Come now reznor, don't be silly.

[getsome]

https://i.imgur.com/xkP2cEa.jpg

[Castle2.0]

Don't worry getsome, there might will probably be a YouTube video, a forum post, and just for you, I'll send you a DM ;)

[reznor_]

https://i.imgur.com/xkP2cEa.jpg

hilarious.

But some people have neat things in their signature, so I don't like to hide it.

[Gustoo]

This is a legitimate post and these non classic changes seem pretty dumb, since there are some rock solid exploits happening anyways.

And none of them are exploits just game features milked dry.

Don't know what to say

Add money back to the rogue guild smuggling quest in rivervale too geez I only did that quest during beta when multi boxing was allowed (ran 16 dudes back and forth for platinubs) but no one ever did it for money besides that one time.

[loramin]

Simple fix: throw out all quest XP reductions/eliminations, across the board. Replace them with a simple (unclassic, but way more classic) limit: you can only get X% (10%? 20%?) of your XP from quests.

This solution requires very little programming for the devs: they just track your "XP from quests" in a separate DB table, and then when "XP from quests" > X% of your total XP, quests stop giving XP.

This addresses the devs' core concern: people in classic generally didn't level off bone chips! It also addresses any other possible quest XP "hack" anyone can ever invent: it doesn't matter how many accounts you have, how many items you save up ... you have to play the game and kill stuff (at least 100% - X% of the time).

But it does allow for normal players, playing classic EQ, to see their bar move when they turn-in the Crushbone Belts they earned in Crushbone.

[loramin]

er "separate DB column"

(Damn un-editable RNF!)

[conoutoftrol]

Simple fix: throw out all quest XP reductions/eliminations, across the board. Replace them with a simple (unclassic, but way more classic) limit: you can only get X% (10%? 20%?) of your XP from quests.

This solution requires very little programming for the devs: they just track your "XP from quests" in a separate DB table, and then when "XP from quests" > X% of your total XP, quests stop giving XP.

This addresses the devs' core concern: people in classic generally didn't level off bone chips! It also addresses any other possible quest XP "hack" anyone can ever invent: it doesn't matter how many accounts you have, how many items you save up ... you have to play the game and kill stuff (at least 100% - X% of the time).

But it does allow for normal players, playing classic EQ, to see their bar move when they turn-in the Crushbone Belts they earned in Crushbone.

nice idea should pitch it for green 2.0

[White_knight]

Kunark in 4 days?

[Ravager]

You should add in the time it took you to farm the scrolls
Can probably do a quick Fermi calculation to figure that out...


Not sure what a turn in of 4 scrolls will do on green at 54, but I did one turn in on my 54 Wizard on blue a few years ago, only got something like 1% (probably a little less) and decided quadding was much faster, granted, I wasn't buying scrolls.


Assuming he starts at level 51, since he's 1 kill away from a ding at Kunark drop, and each turn in is roughly 1%, maybe more for some levels, but certainly less for higher levels, he'll need 100 turn-ins each level for 9 levels. At 400 scrolls per level that comes to 3600 scrolls. Now the GM said something like 50 accounts were used. 3600/50=72 scrolls each account. Each character could only hold 4 scrolls. There are only 8 character slots, 72/8 averages 9 scrolls per character. Obviously, it's preferable to keep sets of 4 together just for ease of tracking and using, so there's definitely some corpsing going on.


Now I definitely could be wrong, I'm not sure what the turn-in exp rate on Green is for 51+ scrolls. But they don't know what it is either, so this is the math you have to assume...


Now that our rough estimate is figured, let's imagine the tremendous undertaking all of this would entail and then feel extreme pity...


If he's farming the scrolls himself, I would guess half hour to collect a set if you're in Paw as reasonable. Sometimes it'll go faster, sometimes slower, but this feels about right to me. He's not doing this. He's rich, he's buying his scrolls and also conscripting others to buy his scrolls. Even still, not all scrolls are for sale, and it takes time to /auction scrolls all day. So there's probably a combination of farming and buying.


I didn't time the run, but I feel like it's safe to say it takes 10 minutes to get from Qeynos to South Karana with SoW. He's probably bound at the Quest Mob, so it's just a gate back, but 10 minutes to get back is kind of a lot of time considering how many scrolls it's gonna take, even if my estimates are wayyyyy over what it'd actually take.


He can only carry 4 scrolls at a time.


So, this numbnuts spent the last 6 months running to SK, farming or buying 4 scrolls at a time (maybe for 5 minutes or an hour depending on how things are dropping and who's selling), gating back. Dropping the scrolls on the ground. Picking them up with a toon on another account. Either logging out or corpsing that toon. Running back to SK to do it again. And doing that on 50 accounts.


Then, the plan was to log on day 1 Kunark, hand in the 4 scrolls he has on hand. Log out to another toon. Drop the scrolls on the ground. Log back on. Pick them up. Turn them in. Log back out. Log back in. Loot a corpse. Drop the scrolls on the ground. Log out. Log in. Pick them up. Turn them in and repeat 900 times to possibly get to level 60.


This assumes he does it all legit without boxing and on his own. Maybe he has some demented minions to help him out and they're the suckers doing all the logging out and logging in. But that makes it even more ridiculous, because that means he's got a spreadsheet for all the toons with their login info and their inventories to give to other people to do all this for him.


Unless I'm missing something or my math is wrong, which both could be true, it seems really pathetic.

[7thGate]

Based on the XP rates listed on the wiki and the wiki XP per level table, I am going to guess you need about ~1000 scrolls to go from 51 to 60. That fits on 50 accounts. You definitely want someone to help you with this, it halves the number of login/logouts you need to perform and removes the problems with drop transferring.

I'm not really surprised people were doing this, as its the obvious go-to for "leveling" while the cap is still 50. Likewise, its not very surprising they blocked it.

I am a little more surprised they blocked all quest XP, but I was helping at least one person do research on XP awards for little done quests; he called the gnoll scroll nerf ahead of time, so there were definitely backup plans in motion that this also squelched.

It still would have been possible to execute this the day before Kunark dropped and repeatedly corpse yourself, then hire clerics to 90% rez you to 60 after it dropped. It would run the risk of Rogean doing something silly like disabling rezzing in qeynos though, which would be brutal.

[BiG SiP]

too much armchair elf theory dissertation posts

[7thGate]

I love a good elf dissertation though. Definitely my favorite part of the game.

[Castle2.0]

The "50+ accounts" was a comment from Khikik who, I don't believe, knows how many accounts there actually are. I can just say it's technically accurate because he kept the "+" in the statement, but not actually close to the number.

I'll have to show you all how it was done. ETA ~26 days ;)

[Ravager]

Please do.

[Hrothgar]

So prob just swoop in, in a few weeks, then? Then cheese my way to 60 and wait for Trance Stick price to drop?

[Asteria]

Castle every time he gets another elfchievement:

https://i.imgur.com/mkEbl3V.gif

[Khikik]

The "50+ accounts" was a comment from Khikik who, I don't believe, knows how many accounts there actually are. I can just say it's technically accurate because he kept the "+" in the statement, but not actually close to the number.

I'll have to show you all how it was done. ETA ~26 days

I know how many accounts you stated there was, but its your information that you choose to share with us, hence why I only gave a vague ballpark number. If you wish to share the exact number to the community then knock yourself out, personally I don't think it will look good in defense of your argument... But also I don't make decision's to change quest exp, that's way above me

I do find it somewhat funny at how wildly having tons of free accounts changes p99 meta vs classic. But then again technology is also much more advanced now to. like being able to log into the game and zones in seconds as opposed to minutes, this on top of the majority of players having prior knowledge also changes the landscape of the game quite significantly

That being said I do look forward to when the 1month is up and you can put out a video of going rapid fire to 1 - 60 I think it will be quite entertaining

[Ravager]

The "50+ accounts" was a comment from Khikik who, I don't believe, knows how many accounts there actually are. I can just say it's technically accurate because he kept the "+" in the statement, but not actually close to the number.

I'll have to show you all how it was done. ETA ~26 days ;)
One thing I forgot to mention or ask about... Are you corpsing? Can't forget the 7 day timer and recorpsing shit on 50+ accounts either. That's a huge timesink. If you're not corpsing, I'd estimate ~113 accounts in play.

[Magerin]

Can just as easily do hundreds of free corpses, and yes, corpsing items is classic.





Sleeper was not killed during the Velious era on any server, therefore the Sleeper on Green must be marked unkillable. We need to do this just in case some people find out how to kill him.
Deleveling to 1 with Velious raid gear from VP was not a a widespread thing in classic. Therefore, if anyone does it on Green, they should be banned, or be level locked so you cannot attempt it.
Selling COTH teleports with your mage COTH bot was not a common widespread thing in classic. We must disallow it.
Open, server-wide raids was not a common widespread thing in classic. We must disallow it. Sorry, a few times, doesn't count.
Guild mage bot armies at the very release of PoSky was not a common widespread thing in classic. We should have disallowed it.


I hope we can find more creative ideas to crush to make the server a generic uninteractive recreation of the average of all live servers during classic. Because... isn't that the goal?

Besides, it's not like 10-15 years after Sleeper was killed gamer magazines still wrote articles on how RZ killed him.


In an interview with Brad himself it's stated that the corpse recovery timer was originally 24 hour and "later" extended (maybe drop of Velious?) in the link,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45XrbsBt34c

at 4:30 min to 6 min this issue was discussed at great length. If this server pushes for classic, why not make the rot timers correct for player deaths?

corpsing items wasnt classic, only made up by neckbeards on this server to justify cucking. Even Brad agreed it was a24 hour window to grab your corpse.

[Magerin]

Also, nerfing quest exp didnt slow down people leveling. See following links:
http://wiki.project1999.com/Brazier_of_Elemental_Summoning

http://wiki.project1999.com/Red_Dragon_Tooth

http://wiki.project1999.com/White_Dragon_Tooth

Neck beard UNITE! Level 40 within a week Incoming! with a 50 "wife is playing" druid buffing the pet and Iksar, it will make leveling 1-50 a joke when green opened. Removing quest exp only hurt the little guys more than the super neckbeard.

[Castle2.0]

I am just honored a GM followed a normal thread turned RnF silly thread to Page 21. And I do appreciate you considered if I would be concerned about sharing info about my accounts that I shared with the GMs.

I will share all the details in due time. I had a video + lore backstory planned and all. Players are not only missing out on quest exp for 30 months, they're missing this fun thing I wanted to share with the community. I've been talking to a certain video maker for a few weeks to put something cool together. It's all on hold now.

I'll share exactly what I did, what items I collected, how many, how/where I stored them, and how I kept track of it all. I'll include any platinum and time spent, and include the overall strategy as well.

This wasn't something that was going to be done and kept hushhush. I planned to share it with everyone in detail.

People will soon see the amount of time, money, effort, and planning that goes into it.

This is why I am confident I will do the fastest 1-60 in P99 history, and believe this record will hold indefinitely. The resources it would take to make a competitive attempt, the risk of failing to beat the record, and the fact it's just one more elfchievement, I am confident no one will even try.

不到长城非好汉

[Castle2.0]

If you're not corpsing, I'd estimate ~113 accounts in play. 50 is too few, 113 is too many.

[feniin]

This is very sad and I'm sorry that you don't have more support in your life. Please, reach out for help. (https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/video-game-addiction/)

[Woke Locc]

I am confident no one will even try.



me too, buddy. Me too. :D

[Castle2.0]

Appreciate all the outpourings of love, concern, and misunderstanding of mental health <3

In other news, they gotta put it on the MOTD or something. It's better to piss off people that they can't do quests for exp, than piss off the people that do quests and get no exp and are boggled by it.

[Jibartik]

The idea that someone created a task for themself, to keep them busy playing casual friendly "hail sir" eq, and still achieve 60, and do it in a way that would make other players jaw drop had it not been for an unforeseen change to the universe we all enjoy, then this would have been one of the coolest things I think we could have asked for on a kunark launch.

But on the other hand, one less thing for Castle to lord over everyone about how he is better, the better lol!

But honestly, the only winner in this 22 page long thread, is castle, despite having lost in his quest, because he played an original game, for green that none of us have experienced, and I cant possibly think of a more green thing than that.

[BiG SiP]

i for one, admire the cut of his jib

[cannobeers3]

Seems some of y'all had a rough weekend. :)

[Donkey Hotay]

The ironically classic attribute about this launch was the bush league lack of announcement of anything about it, even after the fact. Classic 2010 Minecraft server admin moves.

[Jibartik]

Well the server did start in 2010! lol

[Tethler]

Appreciate all the outpourings of love, concern, and misunderstanding of mental health <3

In other news, they gotta put it on the MOTD or something. It's better to piss off people that they can't do quests for exp, than piss off the people that do quests and get no exp and are boggled by it.

Have you tried leaving the cities and hitting mobs until they die? I hear you can gain experience with this advanced strategy.

You're welcome.

[Ravager]

The idea that someone created a task for themself, to keep them busy playing casual friendly "hail sir" eq, and still achieve 60, and do it in a way that would make other players jaw drop had it not been for an unforeseen change to the universe we all enjoy, then this would have been one of the coolest things I think we could have asked for on a kunark launch.

But on the other hand, one less thing for Castle to lord over everyone about how he is better, the better lol!

But honestly, the only winner in this 22 page long thread, is castle, despite having lost in his quest, because he played an original game, for green that none of us have experienced, and I cant possibly think of a more green thing than that.
Except the whole point was to get a server first 60 and now that's gone. If he was simply doing it for the spectacle of fastest 1-60, he could have done it on Blue years ago and probably have had a much easier time of it. He certainly didn't win anything here.

[Vheran]

Wow what a read from page 1. At least Castle hasn't exposed themselves to any situation in which they'd contract COVID.

[Sunderfury]

This is why I am confident I will do the fastest 1-60 in P99 history, and believe this record will hold indefinitely. The resources it would take to make a competitive attempt, the risk of failing to beat the record, and the fact it's just one more elfchievement, I am confident no one will even try.


I have a task for you that may aid in your quest. On P99 quest exp is limited to, I think, 11% of your level (same as killing).

In classic, I believe that it was about 16% or possibly 20%.

Test on live, the are some quests that aren't nerfed that are big exp gains which you can test on. Document results, post bug report. Find classic evidence to back it up where available.

Without doing this, it will slow down your gains. If fixed after your 1-60 time run, it will bother you that it could be done faster now.

[magnetaress]

Bullying castle doesn't make your p99 bone chip experience real and natural.

I am on castles side here.

[OuterChimp]

All Your Quest Experience Are Belong to Us!

[Thomacles]

I think Rogean and the developers are clearly wrong on this stance. I appreciate their "vision" but the fact to the matter is this is Ever QUEST. Not ever grind. If they really want the classic experience, go back and find where the original developers actually stated they want people to QUEST, first and foremost. Not just Bop and Mop for experience. If there are quests that are being abused because of an exploit, fix the exploit. Don't nerf all of the quests with a blanket policy.

[feniin]

I think Rogean and the developers are clearly wrong on this stance. I appreciate their "vision" but the fact to the matter is this is Ever QUEST. Not ever grind. If they really want the classic experience, go back and find where the original developers actually stated they want people to QUEST, first and foremost. Not just Bop and Mop for experience. If there are quests that are being abused because of an exploit, fix the exploit. Don't nerf all of the quests with a blanket policy.
Citation needed

[Tuljin]

Nah dude, its actually EverGrind. The "quest" is going out, killing shit, surviving, and getting drops to upgrade your toon. It takes a longggg time to get to level 60 and that's part of what makes Kunark such a great xpack. The dungeon design is awesome and the mobs are very rude. As you progress deeper into the dungeons and gain levels, the mobs continue to stay rude. This isn't doing the Bug Collection quest for a month straight rofl

Its funny to see everyone get absolutely wrecked at lvl 51 and needing little mini-raids to (not necessarily) survive. All that time collecting DKP and getting plvled while not learning how to play.

Also funny to see Manastone mad lol. Really funny actually. I like how the devs are going after "the spirit of the rule" in this instance. Theres absolutely no way you can equate having dozens of free accounts/toons with scrolls sitting on them and having hundreds of corpses you need to juggle as being "the same." This dude would try to sell ice to an eskimo rofl.

[Hrothgar]

Remember the whole bit where you adults are getting bent because “mUh RIghTs” don’t exist on someone else’s privately hosted EMU?

[Castle2.0]

Except the whole point was to get a server first 60 and now that's gone. If he was simply doing it for the spectacle of fastest 1-60, he could have done it on Blue years ago and probably have had a much easier time of it. He certainly didn't win anything here.Wrong. The goal was to do server fastest 1-60, among other things. I wasn't going for first 60; someone else was and I was happy they were using my strategy to do it.

Who would want a 60 on the beta server anyway? lol

I have a task for you that may aid in your quest. On P99 quest exp is limited to, I think, 11% of your level (same as killing).

In classic, I believe that it was about 16% or possibly 20%.

Test on live, the are some quests that aren't nerfed that are big exp gains which you can test on. Document results, post bug report. Find classic evidence to back it up where available.

Without doing this, it will slow down your gains. If fixed after your 1-60 time run, it will bother you that it could be done faster now.

Bumping 11% to 16% or 20% will be negligible on time. I have already arranged which quests I will be doing, so finding more won't help me.

Mission declined.

If I really wanted to boost the speed of the attempt, I'd do it on a halfling rogue, but I want a 60 toon I would actually enjoy playing.

I don't mind leaving the door open for others to try. But with the nerfed drop rate of scrolls and the end result being a halfling rogue, I highly doubt anyone would attempt it. Bigger cost, even less payoff.

uMaDbRo? I was born to rage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbtfbtDdC-k)

[Kohedron]

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[Tuljin]

I mean dude lol I'm not mad at all. I delight in watching everyone who joined Blue after Velious launch get owned by Kunark. I love watching everybody who only Chardok AOE leveled thru 50s having to actually grind and kill frogs that gate, dot, and cast ice comet. Its great to see people having to mini-raid Sebilis only to realize that 6 people at a time are getting XP and....they all actually need to be getting XP. I love watching one guild of former TMO, Velious-era blue nub ~~~rAiDeRs~~~ and former WoW players bogart all the VP key pieces and slowly come to the realization that ~mere pieces~ of a key quest don't drop for 3 straight days of farming. And they need to do that 40 times. Times three. All while trying to make it to 60.

Let's get out the paper napkins here, EQ nerds.

I am thrilled that all the "whats the first Fungi gonna sell for" talk has come to a grinding halt. Kunark is here. Nobody is selling shit. Nobody is going to sell shit. Nobody knows shit. What is the first Fungi gonna sell for? "x amount" of DKP. That's what its gonna sell for. Where and when are the fat cats gonna spend their money? How many manastones can possibly sell for 300k? How many "300k" manastone sales can this server possibly support when there are indeed hundreds of them???

Turning EQ into a "speedrun" via exploit and acting like its an achievement is totally silly. Watching someone who is good at the game solo out to 60 in very quick time is impressive. Small trios and groups going and grinding it out without cheesing the game hard is impressive. You can tell a good EQ player from a nub. Very very quickly and easily.

Doing exploits that take lots of "time" but no "skill" is actually not impressive at all whatsoever.

Watching Arcus speerun Ninja Gaiden in 11-and-a-half minutes after over 30,000 attempts is impressive and very entertaining to watch. Spending hundreds of hours killing green mobs and buying scrolls is impressive only from a time commitment standpoint. However, 300 hours is nowhere near the time someone like Arcus put into mastering Ninja Gaiden. People can waste their time however they want though.

It becomes extremely lame when someone boasts about it as if they -did- complete a world record speedrun of a videogame. I'm not mad dude. I am very happy that Manastone is mad. I'm not a schadenfreude kinda guy but there are others who were up to the same scheme who didn't intend to turn it into some giant ego stroke and don't run their mouths about it and cry when it got shut down.

To the nubs who can't turn in quest XP for the next month - - - go thank Manastone personally. He's on all the time, send him a tell.

[Hrothgar]

In his seminal text, “I mean dude lol,” p99 9-year veteran, Tuljin, employs repetition of the phrase “I love” as a virtue signal to other “hardcore” gamers, who may be on the fence about the recent adjustments to quest experience. Particularly, it is through the use of the pronoun, “I,” that the speaker conjures up the image of a righteous veteran of sorts - clenched fists on his hips, chin held high, the gatekeeper of right and wrong.

[Knuckle]

I mean dude lol I'm not mad at all. I delight in watching everyone who joined Blue after Velious launch get owned by Kunark. I love watching everybody who only Chardok AOE leveled thru 50s having to actually grind and kill frogs that gate, dot, and cast ice comet. Its great to see people having to mini-raid Sebilis only to realize that 6 people at a time are getting XP and....they all actually need to be getting XP. I love watching one guild of former TMO, Velious-era blue nub ~~~rAiDeRs~~~ and former WoW players bogart all the VP key pieces and slowly come to the realization that ~mere pieces~ of a key quest don't drop for 3 straight days of farming. And they need to do that 40 times. Times three. All while trying to make it to 60.

Let's get out the paper napkins here, EQ nerds.

I am thrilled that all the "whats the first Fungi gonna sell for" talk has come to a grinding halt. Kunark is here. Nobody is selling shit. Nobody is going to sell shit. Nobody knows shit. What is the first Fungi gonna sell for? "x amount" of DKP. That's what its gonna sell for. Where and when are the fat cats gonna spend their money? How many manastones can possibly sell for 300k? How many "300k" manastone sales can this server possibly support when there are indeed hundreds of them???

Turning EQ into a "speedrun" via exploit and acting like its an achievement is totally silly. Watching someone who is good at the game solo out to 60 in very quick time is impressive. Small trios and groups going and grinding it out without cheesing the game hard is impressive. You can tell a good EQ player from a nub. Very very quickly and easily.

Doing exploits that take lots of "time" but no "skill" is actually not impressive at all whatsoever.

Watching Arcus speerun Ninja Gaiden in 11-and-a-half minutes after over 30,000 attempts is impressive and very entertaining to watch. Spending hundreds of hours killing green mobs and buying scrolls is impressive only from a time commitment standpoint. However, 300 hours is nowhere near the time someone like Arcus put into mastering Ninja Gaiden. People can waste their time however they want though.

It becomes extremely lame when someone boasts about it as if they -did- complete a world record speedrun of a videogame. I'm not mad dude. I am very happy that Manastone is mad. I'm not a schadenfreude kinda guy but there are others who were up to the same scheme who didn't intend to turn it into some giant ego stroke and don't run their mouths about it and cry when it got shut down.

To the nubs who can't turn in quest XP for the next month - - - go thank Manastone personally. He's on all the time, send him a tell.

I'm pretty sure like every other strategy, the first 60 on server is who doesnt have a job and can grind 20 hrs a day. The majority of the "difficulty" in leveling on Kunark is the fact that you can't sit afk in most places and have to actively play. Most people dont have 20 hours a day to actively play/level a toon. That's perfectly fine but I'm not gonna be wowed by the first 60 either.

[Tuljin]

In his seminal text, “I mean dude lol,” p99 9-year veteran, Tuljin, employs repetition of the phrase “I love” as a virtue signal to other “hardcore” gamers, who may be on the fence about the recent adjustments to quest experience. Particularly, it is through the use of the pronoun, “I,” that the speaker conjures up the image of a righteous veteran of sorts - clenched fists on his hips, chin held high, the gatekeeper of right and wrong.

I can't really tell the "/s" or not here man lol but either way its comical to me. I am nowhere near as "hardcore" as other people on this box as far as time I can commit to the game is concerned. I do very much like EQ for its "hardcore" gameplay elements and I have since the late 90s.

Manastone and I have a little tete-a-tete going on the forums, so really I am responding to his assertation that "I am mad."

I indeed am -not- mad whatsoever. Watching the Kunark launch unfold is very entertaining to me. What I am mostly happy about is getting to level up in Kunark in Classic gear with my long-time EQ buddies. It is a ton of fun. Everything else is just a bonus.

There are some "classic" game mechanics that have been changed since Blue which I am very happy about. When everyone refers to "classic" including the devs and GMs I'm pretty sure the accuracy of these particular gameplay mechanics are of very high priority yet everyone is so meta crazy they overlook it entirely. No more invis pulling, no more melee push. I noticed in Seb that Jins and Boks now gate. Only Krups and up gated on Blue. I am excited to see what else has been changed.

Everyone has their heads so far up their asses, unfortunately, that they're gonna sit and bitch about having to go kill mobs to get XP because the devs want to attempt to recreate the "spirit" of classic. Really, they're gonna go bitch about playing the game.

Thing is though...bitching about having to go play EQ for xp on p99 is nothing new. That's been happening since....uh.....2013 really? Really when the Chardok machine started to crank full force and far too many idiots and assholes had far too many lvl 60s far too easily which permanently marred the "spirit" of the project. Many veteran players would concur. I couldn't even roll a toon here until I finished grad school, I would have rolled earlier if I could have.

So idk, I'm not a gatekeeper at all. Its not about "right or wrong." Its about how I actually -like- EQ. I like how the devs are trying to not only recreate technical mechanics but also apply the "spirit of the rule" where applicable. Cancelling Chardok AOE took far too long.

The fact of the matter is many people who ended up on p99 actually -don't- like EQ at all. Whatsoever. Its been that way for years. They like Discord, Google docs, sitting around all day collecting DKP instead of....going and playing the game, and turning the game into "WoW."

Then they're gonna go bitch and moan when an xpack is dropped. Who -actually- has their hands on their hips?

[Tuljin]

Most people dont have 20 hours a day to actively play/level a toon. That's perfectly fine but I'm not gonna be wowed by the first 60 either.

I agree, really any kind of "speedrunning" on this box is like the Special Olympics...we all know that joke

[Waedawen]

Shut the fuck up dude
You fucking stored a bunch of useless shit and wasted a bunch of time on something that was ultimately fucking retarded in the first place

Get fucked, idiot

[Castle2.0]

20 hours a day? Someone needs to the read "The Slight Edge" by Jeff Olson and get enlightened.

Man, I see some epic baby rage. Fun.

Join me. I'm obviously always ragin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbtfbtDdC-k) */dance /dance /dance*

[magnetaress]

We've had a lot of days of classic so @ 5 chips a day that'd = how many chips and how much exp would that = on an iksar with a big exp penalty?

So what if there is 1 person (and I'm not accusing castle of doing this) spent the last year only farming bone chips so they could macro the turn in.

[Tunabros]

Sorry you didn't get to cheese your way to 60.

[Waedawen]

We've had a lot of days of classic so @ 5 chips a day that'd = how many chips and how much exp would that = on an iksar with a big exp penalty?

So what if there is 1 person (and I'm not accusing castle of doing this) spent the last year only farming bone chips so they could macro the turn in.

then they're just a fucking nerd?
no one actually gives a shit about any of these people for abusing quests or whatever.

it's all about making fun of them for being fucking losers and there's literally nothing they can do to defend themselves

that's it. end of story.

[Waedawen]

https://gyazo.com/07f6a79e454a63f345425148e25132d1

[Waedawen]

he couldn't even do the /target /fart down correctly, poor guy.

[adichi]

it's not like they perma banned scroll exp, you'll get to use it in a month from now anyway so its not a complete loss... you just won't be server first 60

although I understand banning scrolls, banning all quest exp seemed a bit too far

[Bardp1999]

TIL that completing in-game quests is an exploit

[Castle2.0]

I hear tomato juice is one home remedy. You got this, B-team Crexus.

[Castle2.0]

Omgosh, u real mad bro.

Mannastone # of curse words: 0

B-Team Crexus # of curse words: ∞

mad and a pottymouth. oof.

[Waedawen]

this motherfucker just said "u mad" lmao

[Waedawen]

"IGNORED BTW" posting doctored screenshots hahahahahaha

[Castle2.0]

Not doctored. Don't be mad. The tomatoe juice won't stain bad and will match your red fashion quest armor, ya dandy ogre you.

dont be mad.

[Waedawen]

buddy I know you're fucking sad you wasted hours of your life for something that literally no one gives a fuck about

and you STILL fucked that up, but it's fine. you'll get over it, trust me.

[Waedawen]

and I love how you use "fashion quest" as if it's some kind of fucking insult lmao

as if I don't know what the fuck I'm doing