"We want people to obtain their levels naturally via kills" --Rogean [Archive] - Page 2

loramin

11-10-2020, 06:50 PM

I have a task for you that may aid in your quest. On P99 quest exp is limited to, I think, 11% of your level (same as killing).

Wait what? You're saying if I turn in 11% of my level in bandit sashes/bone chips/tesch mal scrolls/whatever, they stop working?

If that's the case, why is there all this quest XP-nerfing stuff; it seems entirely unnecessary?

FatherSioux

11-10-2020, 06:55 PM

Wait what? You're saying if I turn in 11% of my level in bandit sashes/bone chips/tesch mal scrolls/whatever, they stop working?

If that's the case, why is there all this quest XP-nerfing stuff; it seems entirely unnecessary?

I think it means at most per single turn-in.

loramin

11-10-2020, 07:02 PM

I think it means at most per single turn-in.

Oh, that would make much more sense.

But FWIW I still think an overall cap on level-based XP would have made much more sense (for both Green launch and Kunark Green launch, and presumably for Velious launch) than disabling such a core part of classic EQ.

loramin

11-10-2020, 07:02 PM

er level quest-based XP.

PabloEdvardo

11-10-2020, 07:03 PM

why dont people live stream this stuff

you realize the #1 and #2 iksar were streaming all weekend, right?

Ravager

11-10-2020, 07:56 PM

Wrong. The goal was to do server fastest 1-60, among other things. I wasn't going for first 60; someone else was and I was happy they were using my strategy to do it.

Who would want a 60 on the beta server anyway? lol

lol, if you say so, but this cons dubious.

Swish

11-10-2020, 09:19 PM

Faster base XP on red. If you want quick levels there's already an alternative.

Vheran

11-10-2020, 11:29 PM

kaev

11-11-2020, 12:34 AM

Castle2.0

11-11-2020, 01:07 AM

Making 50 alt accounts and getting triggered by someone making 50 alt accounts are two sides of the same mentally ill sandwich. I just want to say that p99 wouldn't be complete without that sandwich <3Quoted for truth. Raising awareness for mental health issues. Let's go!

Earlier tonight there was a yellow text "Congratulations" to the first L50 Iksar. This makes a complete mockery of the "naturally" argument is this monk rather obviously is a shared toon who's been PLd non-stop since Kunark dropped. How a 24-hour a day PL of a shared toon is in any way even slightly less exploitive than Mannastone's scheme escapes me entirely. In fact the reverse is argued trivially (account sharing was bannable at this point in the classic timeline). Neither is exploitive, so I agree that they are both the same, and a-ok.

Rivthis

11-11-2020, 01:20 AM

Nerds

Jibartik

11-11-2020, 02:36 AM

you realize the #1 and #2 iksar were streaming all weekend, right?

Why don’t I know about these streams :( help I’m old

charmcitysking

11-11-2020, 07:01 AM

admit guys you all be pissed off if there was 50 iksar necros and monks on like day 3

yeah, about that...

Baler

11-11-2020, 07:02 AM

just get ****in banned, banned, banned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZIVQ79mJ9I

kaizersoze

11-11-2020, 09:58 AM

Earlier tonight there was a yellow text "Congratulations" to the first L50 Iksar. This makes a complete mockery of the "naturally" argument is this monk rather obviously is a shared toon who's been PLd non-stop since Kunark dropped. How a 24-hour a day PL of a shared toon is in any way even slightly less exploitive than Mannastone's scheme escapes me entirely. In fact the reverse is argued trivially (account sharing was bannable at this point in the classic timeline).

In the right zone with the right items, I could see it feasibly happening. If you had a red dragon tooth / white dragon tooth and went to dreadlands and did yetis for hours and hours on end you could easily gain like 30 levels on day one, maybe more.

kjs86z

11-11-2020, 10:12 AM

Whos the highest level on Green right now?

Zipity

11-11-2020, 10:19 AM

57 cleric Bayleigh

Scalem

11-11-2020, 11:00 AM

57 cleric Bayleigh

57 in under a week? How many people playing that account?

kaizersoze

11-11-2020, 11:07 AM

57 in under a week? How many people playing that account?

probably just one. Probably a cleric duoing bear pits...

cd288

11-11-2020, 11:38 AM

probably just one. Probably a cleric duoing bear pits...

Yup. People automatically assume account sharing but I don’t think they realize how fast you can level in terms of total days if you simply care more about the game than being healthy.

Vaarsuvius

11-11-2020, 11:40 AM

I fail to understand why so many of you bitch about Castle's plan on getting 60?

He's just gone all the way with something every one of us has done with lightstones, crushbone belts and pads, goblin ears, bone chips, bottles of wine, etc. Except he managed to find quest(s) that will reward his toon up to level 60. what's the big deal about that?

Kudos to you Castle for coming up with that one and managing to get enough quest iems to ding 60 😁 can't wait for you to do so and to watch your video

Then again, please enlighten me

What's so classic & legit about getting a char on a shared account played 24/7 by a bunch of poopsockers PLed by another crew of more poopsockers in what's considered the best xp camp of every huge ZEM zone?

Is that what EQ is about? I guess by the time I write this post there will be a couple lvl 60 chars... :(

Baler

11-11-2020, 11:48 AM

I fail to understand why so many of you bitch about Castle's plan on getting 60?

Castle2.0's only goal is to exploit P99 so he can record it happening and get the game unclassicly changed. Then he will hold his achievement up high like a trophy and laugh at anyone who suffers due to his actions. His signature is proof of this to begin with.

reznor_

11-11-2020, 11:56 AM

Castle2.0's only goal is to exploit P99 so he can record it happening and get the game unclassicly changed. Then he will hold his achievement up high like a trophy and laugh at anyone who suffers due to his actions. His signature is proof of this to begin with.

Tuljin

11-11-2020, 12:09 PM

TIL that completing in-game quests is an exploit

Its very interesting to me how everything is so black-and-white and absolute to EQ nerds.

You are "exploiting" dozens of free accounts that would never have been possible in "classic." You are "exploiting" the fact that modern hardware can handle hundreds of corpses when in "classic" it would bog down the zone and GMs would probably come and just delete the corpses.

What's ridiculous is how the players act as if the developers of P99, ya know, the guys who actually code it and deal with it technically, know absolutely -nothing- about "classic" EQ. The...."entitlement" is fucking ridiculous.

No, completing in-game quests is -not- an "exploit." "Exploiting" modern conveniences 20 years later is....an "exploit." Which is why its an..."exploit" and not a "bug."

And at the end of the day the devs can enforce "spirit" of classic. They can cherry pick whose "not classic" name that is /petitioned to change. They can do whatever the hell they want.

What's even funnier to me is how much everyone bitches but..............you're still playing this fucking game all god damn day. No matter what.

Again, nub toons who wanted quest XP, go ahead and thank players like Manastone for why you can't have nice things. Go ahead and thank......"the players" for the state of the ~~~rAiD sCeNe~~~.

The devs are just stuck here dealing with everyone's bullshit while they are running a pet project everyone can play for free. Its still the best "classic" server. And you're all still playing. And writing on these stupid fucking forums too lol ffs

magnetaress

11-11-2020, 12:33 PM

Can we please naturally turn in bone chips at a normal human input level of rate and flow so that we may naturally attain levels from mobs we killed and items we collected by naturally killing said skeletons.

I have a dream, and that dream is to hit level 20 on bone chips some day while wearing raw hide and using a bronze rapier. Please help me achieve that dream, naturally.

Amen.

Castle2.0

11-11-2020, 01:32 PM

Negative Nerd: "No free acounts in 1999!"
Castle2.0: "Ok I corpse em all!"
Negative Nerd: "Hardware in 1999 couldn't handle that many corpses."
Castle2.0: "Okay, I spread them out across Antonica."
Negative Nerd: *rage*
Castle2.0: ""Don't worry, I won't hurt you...I only want you to have some fun" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMjQ3hA9mEA)

Kudos to you Castle for coming up with that one and managing to get enough quest iems to ding 60 😁 can't wait for you to do so and to watch your video Gracias, hombre.

"Exploiting" modern conveniences 20 years later is....an "exploit." "Exploiting is exploiting, therefore you must be exploiting." Tautology + non sequitur = winning? Elf logician at his peak!

go ahead and thank players like Manastone for why you can't have nice things I have already been thanked enough for inspiring a generation of elves to seek out the ancient quests and hidden secrets that our forefathers have missed. But in regards to the overreaction that brought the "Exp Quest Moratorium of 2020"... I didn't string that bow, I didn't pull back that arrow. I was the target, that is all.

Castle2.0's only goal is to exploit P99 so he can record it happening and get the game unclassicly changed. Then he will hold his achievement up high like a trophy and laugh at anyone who suffers due to his actions. His signature is proof of this to begin with. Incorrect. I seek to explore the unexplored in a world of mass delusion where everyone has been fooled that there is nothing left to explore.

Manadancing. Soloing PoD in classic. #1 DPS'ing. And I am not done yet.

I will inspire millions (of pixels) in the form of thousands of digital-elves to seek the apex of Norrathian exploration.

The exploratory spirit... always finds a way (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMjQ3hA9mEA)

Zekayy

11-11-2020, 01:45 PM

ResidentSleeper

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000809.html

AUGUST 9, 2000

Dragons:

Rumor has it that some new dragons have been spotted in Kunark. It should be noted however that the dragons can be engaged from much further away than is intended. Rather than hold off implementing these dragons for another week, we've decided to implement them now and fix the problem in the next patch. Enjoy :)

I know they were in the game day 1 on live but sev and gore werent on p99 green day 1 for the kunark launch which is just silly

kaev

11-11-2020, 02:00 PM

Yup. People automatically assume account sharing but I don’t think they realize how fast you can level in terms of total days if you simply care more about the game than being healthy.

On Tunare server, live back in the day, the first char to 60 was a Ranger who killed BBM dwarfs about 16 hours a day while supported by a rotating crew of out-of group guildmates. (The term "powerlevel" was not in use back in the days of stone knives and bearskins, I guess we weren't cool enough.) It took him 2 weeks. I do not recall if he was first across all servers, or only on Tunare.

I cannot see how that differed in any meaningful way from Mannastone's scheme (i.e. develop a plan in advance to hit 60 as fast as possible using commonly available knowledge and current ruleset pushed to an extreme.) He could've saved a couple days had he been a Rogue instead of a Ranger, but I always thought it was cool that the server first L60 was a hybrid even if he did cheese it with ungrouped support.

Tuljin

11-11-2020, 02:10 PM

"Exploiting is exploiting, therefore you must be exploiting." Tautology + non sequitur = winning? Elf logician at his peak!

I mean....I'm pretty sure this is how the highest elf court justified the turning XP moratorium, you should take it up with them. I'm pretty sure they'd tell you the same thing. I'd say they are pretty peak elf logicians. Correct me if I'm wrong.

And addressing bardp1999 - no, quests turnins are not exploits. Even if you were to spread tons of corpses all over norrath, GMs in classic would probably get hip to it somehow, just like the GMs today. So, actually, tautologically....."classic."

And yep, the GMs -are- winning lol you're the one sitting here bitching about it and still playing here. They are gonna do whatever "unclassic" things they want and people are still gonna play.

You're not "winning" any argument here now. The quest nerf is done. There won't be a reopening of Teal because....there wasn't a huge population explosion in Kunark. That's because far fewer people "came back" than anticipated because.....many people on P99 (and lots of people that don't play P99) actually -dont like- classic EQ.

Castle2.0

11-11-2020, 03:20 PM

Tooljin gonna tooljin lol.

Pure argumentum ab auctoritate. Sorry, might doth not make right.

I don't believe GMs in classic with the classic GM tools available would find 100 corpses stacked on each other (which look like 1 corpse) hidden in a zone somewhere.

Maybe the GMs should stop tracking which computer you're logging in from and any other such modern tools to make the GM'ing "classic" as well *eye roll*

I'm not the one "bitching." You're the only one mad in a huff. I'm just basking in the awesomeness of what is possible along with my fellow elves. At the same time, I am making a point about the sledgehammer reaction we saw from Devs.

Keep pretending classic is what you think it is, and keep imagining many are against that caricature. I don't think either is quite true. Good day sir!

aspomwell

11-11-2020, 03:52 PM

I didn't time the run, but I feel like it's safe to say it takes 10 minutes to get from Qeynos to South Karana with SoW. He's probably bound at the Quest Mob, so it's just a gate back, but 10 minutes to get back is kind of a lot of time considering how many scrolls it's gonna take, even if my estimates are wayyyyy over what it'd actually take.

Bind in SK by Paw. Port to Surefall. Run to Qeynos. Hand off scrolls. Gate to SK. Might be able to do it in just over 5 minutes (not counting time to actually aquire scrolls).

But yeah, not my ideal experience. Cool experiment though and I'll watch the video. Kinda fall in between the 'this is classic' group and 'what the fuck are you thinking?' group myself.

Tunabros

11-11-2020, 06:24 PM

https://i.imgur.com/MMjjlbm.png

Castle2.0

11-11-2020, 06:43 PM

This is the correct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblt2EtFfC4

Negative Nerd: "No free acounts in 1999!"
Castle2.0: "Ok I corpse em all!"
Negative Nerd: "Hardware in 1999 couldn't handle that many corpses."
Castle2.0: "Okay, I spread them out across Antonica."
Negative Nerd: *rage*
Castle2.0: "Don't worry, I won't hurt you...I only want you to have some fun" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblt2EtFfC4)

Ravager

11-11-2020, 06:57 PM

Bind in SK by Paw. Port to Surefall. Run to Qeynos. Hand off scrolls. Gate to SK. Might be able to do it in just over 5 minutes (not counting time to actually aquire scrolls).

But yeah, not my ideal experience. Cool experiment though and I'll watch the video. Kinda fall in between the 'this is classic' group and 'what the fuck are you thinking?' group myself.
Surefall port doesn't come till much later. In any case, my knuckles cramp just thinking about it.

aspomwell

11-11-2020, 07:02 PM

Surefall port doesn't come till much later. In any case, my knuckles cramp just thinking about it.

Ahh, hadn't considered that, I only play on blue...

charmcitysking

11-11-2020, 07:06 PM

Ahh, hadn't considered that, I only play on blue...

Consider green

aspomwell

11-11-2020, 07:33 PM

Consider green

considered and rejected. :)

Ashenden

11-11-2020, 11:32 PM

I know they were in the game day 1 on live but sev and gore werent on p99 green day 1 for the kunark launch which is just silly

So what new dragons (plural) do you suppose this patch note from months in to Kunark's timeline were talking about, exactly? You think Gore and Sev were in and they added Faydedar and Telk? Or is Blue missing dragons?

Do you have any proof to begin with? Nobody cares about "I know in my heart that..."

While we're at it can you explain this strange phenomenon where Faydedar has comments from May 2000 on Alla but Gorenaire only has comments from August 2000? Did nobody notice her for 4 months by mistake?

Hrothgar

11-11-2020, 11:32 PM

Castle is like an unironic Chortles.

Idk which I despise more.

Ashenden

11-11-2020, 11:45 PM

Ha I said Telk. Talendor*

Zipity

11-12-2020, 09:00 AM

Castle is like an unironic Chortles.

Idk which I despise more.

What if Castle = Chortles

BiG SiP

11-12-2020, 09:16 AM

Ashenden

11-12-2020, 09:32 AM

An insult to Chortles tbh

Mblake81

11-12-2020, 09:59 AM

Consider green

was great opening day and for the first week. Once people starting powering past the starting areas it was time to hang it up.

fuckshit22

11-12-2020, 10:09 AM

custom luclin on blue is looking more and more likely with all the non classic features getting patched in. i look forward to Luclin without playable cat people.

Mblake81

11-12-2020, 10:17 AM

with all the non classic features getting patched in.

The real issue at hand is MMORPGs going away, PC and Xbox 360 getting tied at the hips in the mid 2000s, years upon years pass, newer players don't know anything different, multiplatform standardization and games only made to suit that purpose.

magnetaress

11-12-2020, 10:19 AM

Seriously tho did they nerf it on green or across all three servers. I don't mind if they nerf green as long as blue stays classic or w/e can someone plz get back to me on that, i looked and no one said anything about it.

pivo

11-12-2020, 01:23 PM

...but I feel like it's safe to say it takes 10 minutes to get from Qeynos to South Karana with SoW.

Less than 7 minutes.

I did it several time, with my Druid, ported to quest giver, turned scrolls in and come back to Ruins or Hermit Gnoll some 7-10 seconds after gnoll spawn. Paw spires are closer so i'm guessing, I would be back just probably just before gnoll spawn, so say around 6:30 for a round trip...

roks1

11-15-2020, 10:12 AM

I know how many accounts you stated there was, but its your information that you choose to share with us, hence why I only gave a vague ballpark number. If you wish to share the exact number to the community then knock yourself out, personally I don't think it will look good in defense of your argument... But also I don't make decision's to change quest exp, that's way above me

I do find it somewhat funny at how wildly having tons of free accounts changes p99 meta vs classic. But then again technology is also much more advanced now to. like being able to log into the game and zones in seconds as opposed to minutes, this on top of the majority of players having prior knowledge also changes the landscape of the game quite significantly

That being said I do look forward to when the 1month is up and you can put out a video of going rapid fire to 1 - 60 I think it will be quite entertaining

and eqw (the original program allowing you to play windowed mode in EQ) was made by JustSomeGuy around the velious era. so full screen EQ in kunark! log out to access those vital emails!

Fammaden

11-15-2020, 07:56 PM

and eqw (the original program allowing you to play windowed mode in EQ) was made by JustSomeGuy around the velious era. so full screen EQ in kunark! log out to access those vital emails!

And EQW was an illegal bannable program, despite its very widespread use. They really didn't like us being able to tab out/play non-fullscreen back then.

I remember when they finally decided to allow alt tabbing and made an official supported windowed game mode. JustSomeGuy made a post on his site announcing that he could now stop updating his program and was finally able to reveal his in-game main character without fear of being banhammered. It turned out he was in my guild, there was a great outpouring of thanks to him, and I think a lot of people even made toons on the server to come send him a tell and say thanks.

Castle2.0

11-15-2020, 10:51 PM

And EQW was an illegal bannable program, despite its very widespread use. They really didn't like us being able to tab out/play non-fullscreen back then.

I remember when they finally decided to allow alt tabbing and made an official supported windowed game mode. JustSomeGuy made a post on his site announcing that he could now stop updating his program and was finally able to reveal his in-game main character without fear of being banhammered. It turned out he was in my guild, there was a great outpouring of thanks to him, and I think a lot of people even made toons on the server to come send him a tell and say thanks.

Elf does the epic. Elf faces the scorn of some because he dared to think outside the window. Elf shows a new way to his fellow elf. When he emerges with his true identity, he is praised and welcomed as a hero.

How apropos, as we return to topic of this thread: one elf, one dream, thousands of scrolls. Maybe I will reveal my true identity one day my fellow elves <3

*Mannastone targets himself and casts a spell (http://wiki.project1999.com/Visions_of_Grandeur)*

Ashenden

11-17-2020, 04:10 AM

is it classic to have not gore and sev day 1? of course not but they arent in the game

Still waiting for you to apologize to Rogean and Nilbog for this undeserved slight.

magnetaress

11-17-2020, 04:23 PM

Gnoll fang for a moonstone gave me no exp on red, maybe i'm delusional but i saw the quest exp msg for bone chips with lashun, none for gnoll fangs on red, why would you disable this on red?

Baler

11-17-2020, 04:32 PM

Gnoll fang for a moonstone gave me no exp on red, maybe i'm delusional but i saw the quest exp msg for bone chips with lashun, none for gnoll fangs on red, why would you disable this on red?

they did it on all the servers.

magnetaress

11-17-2020, 05:02 PM

they did it on all the servers.

I'm not happy about this. Can you all please accept that?

Castle2.0

11-17-2020, 05:19 PM

they did it on all the servers. I LOL'd in real life. That is savage... I almost want to log on to blue start a toon and find a quest, but I'll take your word for it. I wasn't even laughing because it's funny, I am just shocked.

magnetaress

11-17-2020, 05:25 PM

I agree, man Castle2.0 I don't see eye to eye with you on everything, god knows we have wierdly opposing political ideologies.

But one thing for cerrrrtain is that someone got REALLY HARDCORE EXTRA MAD about scrolls, chips, and teeth.

And it wasn't us lol.

Vizax_Xaziv

11-18-2020, 01:30 PM

Shit like this is why I quit Green99 and won't be returning for Kunark. The endless catering to the hardest-cores while simultaneously saying "WE MUST KEEP IT CLASSIC!" is just totally out of hand.

Nerf quest XP so the casuals cannot gain fast levels but allow Brazier/DragonTooth so the wealthy players can powerlevel in a way FAR FASTER than quest-leveling!

BiG SiP

11-18-2020, 01:59 PM

sorry you didn’t get quest XP

zags

11-18-2020, 02:15 PM

Brazier gets you to level 12, dragon tooth cant be used at low levels anymore.

magnetaress

11-18-2020, 02:16 PM

logs on 'wife' aka druid box, tosses skin, regens, thorns, 'wife' afks

gg

--- they should disable ip exemptions and delete the druid class

Ravager

11-18-2020, 08:58 PM

Brazier gets you to level 12,
20 if you know where to go.

Kawhi

12-05-2020, 12:25 PM

Played some green today for the first time in months. My shitty enchanter had some Centurion belts saved up and I farmed a few more wand went to go turn them in hoping to ding so that the white orcs would become blue, and got no experience! Then I found this thread. Thanks guys!

BiG SiP

12-05-2020, 12:37 PM

working as intended

Nirgon

12-10-2020, 01:46 PM

Conclusion:

Custom eq box

Ruhtar

12-10-2020, 01:59 PM

The best part is that it's faster to get PLed by someone anyway (when factoring in time it takes to collect the items and turn-in speed). Game is called EverQuest and quest exp gets removed lul.

Kohedron

12-10-2020, 02:43 PM

Naturally as in, by boxing, which is legal, apparently

kaizersoze

12-10-2020, 03:04 PM

Naturally as in, by boxing, which is legal, apparently

Only if you're using a bot from another guild to train them on an engage while you're simultaneously playing on a normal account of yours trying to swoop in afterward.

Mblake81

12-10-2020, 04:21 PM

Only if you're using a bot from another guild to train them on an engage while you're simultaneously playing on a normal account of yours trying to swoop in afterward.

Pro gamer strats.

Wait til you find out people have accounts in all Discords and any idea of competition is the biggest farce you could ever see, when called out you will be counter-called out for caring about a 20 year old game.