AG, Riot, Freedom raid suspended indefinitely

[tranceminus]

Kittens now the #1 raid guild on Blue.

Discuss.

[Albanwr]

I always had good times with Kitten members when I played on Blue.

[Psyborg]

Freedom supports this. Let's grow the fuck up people.

[Gozuk]

Hehe

[Harvest]

I for one welcome our new feline overlords. Meow

[Terrok]

Freedom supports this. Let's grow the fuck up people.

lol, that's funny.

[titanshub]

Kittens now the #1 raid guild on Blue.

Discuss.

Always has been! For me anyway.

[Psyborg]

lol, that's funny.

Go on...

[elwing]

Can we please all take a minute to thanks riot for the petition shit show?

[Tunabros]

Blue guild drama lol

[Linksfather]

I finally have time to make a rogue now..WTB Haze Panther gear...

[MaCtastic]

I always had good times with Kitten members when I played on Blue.

Try fun instead; it's just a game after all.

[Sacer]

Thanks Freedom for geting everyone banned.

[LazyHydras]

Looks like Bladefrenzy is the real winner here.


By executive decision.

[m00r5tuD]

lets unroot the dragons and see if AG freedom and riot can get along!

[Hideousclaw]

Does this mean I can leave Blue UN Discord yet? As m00r5tud would say: "Shit is NOT lit"

[Sacer]

Between the raid ban of the 3 biggest guild and Kunark opening soon on green can we talk how dead the blue server is? Just delete it already.

[hobart]

Now would be the perfect time for BDA to come back and still not be able to kill Velious mobs in a competitive environment.

[LazyHydras]

Between the raid ban of the 3 biggest guild and Kunark opening soon on green can we talk how dead the blue server is? Just delete it already.

Time for me to go back to play Warcraft 2 and 3.

[Naonak]

New or ongoing meta. My new meta

Be toxic as fuck to each other and all petitions are null and void. Win for Freedom finally

[Nexii]

https://i.imgur.com/WrJkkLN.jpg

[Zoggren]

https://i.imgur.com/WrJkkLN.jpg

Mill strategies always get you banned from your playgroup!

[Twochain]

get 360 no scoped kids

[sydbarrett25]

I love lamp

[Trzzle]

Briefs posts SoD giveaway sweepstakes, everyone gets suspended.

Pras Lord Briefs, <The Best> the hero we need.

[Caball]

Geez crazy to see it come to this but good for p99 staff. Putting their foot down and not dealing with this crap anymore is great to see. Leadership from some maybe all of these guilds could surely benefit from taking a break and clearing their heads out in the real world for a change. God knows how long some have been playing non-stop for years it would make most people crazy. Hopefully clearer heads will prevail after the immersion is broken and everyone can enjoy playing this game we are all supposed to be enjoying.

Took a break myself a few months ago and couldn’t be happier. Perhaps give it a try and maybe it’ll help resolve this seemingly incredibly toxic raid scene that can’t possibly be healthy to participate in. Wish you all the best just feel sorry for the staff having to deal with 30-40ish year old men playing 50+ hours a week who treat each other like trash and take advantage of anyone they can just the sale of in game pixels

[Mickets]

The sad truth many of you are resistant to is that Everquest was not designed to be the hyper competitive gaming environment ya'll are trying to make it be. Easy solution is rotate all mobs. Can make an exception like Kael if you really need a janky ass mariokart experience to feel superior to other people.

[Mickets]

Even with rotated mobs you can get super competitive about this guys. Top dps, lowest kill #s, fastest NTOV clear, etc. Consider it.

[Fammaden]

There's plenty of compromises.

Roation but you have to be gathering within five minutes and engaged in fifteen or the mob goes open. Any wipes open the mob completely. Quakes are fully competitive and FFA. You could rotate but leave one week a month where certain mobs are FFA.

This is one of the most obsessively nerdy gatherings of human beings in online gaming history, there is zero reason that a robust and functional monthly raid calendar spreadsheet can't be developed, agreed on, submitted to the GM's, and approved prior to the next cycle.

[kaizersoze]

Looks like a Kittens warrior is getting themselves a shiny used Scepter of Destruction, if that contest still stands! Sweep those Golems, kitties! Get that warder loot!

[Fammaden]

Looks like a Kittens warrior is getting themselves a shiny used Scepter of Destruction, if that contest still stands! Sweep those Golems, kitties! Get that warder loot!

The contest was literally named "let's make ST competitive" not sure why he would still honor the offer if only one guild is allowed in the zone.

[azeth]

This is why i quit P99 for the final time. I cant stomach being told what to do or not to do by another person in a video game I am choosing to play for fun.

This raid suspension goes so far beyond that... I dont know how any of you can look in the mirror IRL knowing someone you've never met, and have only interacted with via P99 has even an iota of control over your day, let alone life.

[Dreenk317]

i want to see the numbers of petitions filed by each guild over the last month or two. Lets see who does the most crying wolf

[Ripqozko]

Plate cycle about to be packed.

[kaizersoze]

The contest was literally named "let's make ST competitive" not sure why he would still honor the offer if only one guild is allowed in the zone.

It also says in the rules that it doesnt matter if X guild is suspended for any reason. Sounds like it should be honored to me.

[Lammy]

There are a lot of unaddressed, mental health issues among the raiding population on p99. I've never seen anything like it. The GMs are really doing you guys a favor.

[Sacer]

There are a lot of unaddressed, mental health issues among the raiding population on p99. I've never seen anything like it. The GMs are really doing you guys a favor.

You really think it's limited to p99? IRL is no different.

[Sacer]

I'm gonna switch to poker it's much more healthy community.

https://www.pokertube.com/article/poker-streamer-youpaymyf458-dies-in-murder-suicide

[Detoxx]

It also says in the rules that it doesnt matter if X guild is suspended for any reason. Sounds like it should be honored to me.

Pretty sure it says if guilds are suspended or conceding any golems it will be rescheduled. Who wants to play some Zombie Warzone late today?!

[OuterChimp]

This shit never happened on Teal...

[Kauh boom]

Invite for zombies plz

[Jimjam]

Raiding got FRAGd

[Woke Locc]

The Iron Paw has fallen over Norrath. Woe to ye who tug the tail.

Rule nicely pls Kittens

[kjs86z]

https://i.imgur.com/jzbxPua.gif

[indiscriminate_hater]

Riot lost too many Vulaks, took the entire thing down

[arsenalpow]

Cool raid scene guise

[saftbudet]

Atleast new Green server will have a higher player count again. It was abit embarrasing watching last 2 motths, where Blue had higher count of logged in players.

[ntb]

kinda glad for kittens, your guild name is still terrible wow-like poo. but grats

[Hrothgar]

You know there are servers out there with more content than just 21 year old raid targets... Rumor has it, the game actually progressed and became more fun when they eliminated the need for dedicating your whole raison d’être to an elf sim!

[MaCtastic]

This is why i quit P99 for the final time. I cant stomach being told what to do or not to do by another person in a video game I am choosing to play for fun.

This raid suspension goes so far beyond that... I dont know how any of you can look in the mirror IRL knowing someone you've never met, and have only interacted with via P99 has even an iota of control over your day, let alone life.

Sounds like the kinda person that would be victim to a Russian troll farm. I bet you are fun at parties.

[Matalus]

Lol, hi guys

[kaizersoze]

I see a lot of people picking apart proposed solutions, but not offering much in the way of amending them to make them agreeable. It looks like its going to be grats kittens for a LONG time at this rate ;)

[arsenalpow]

Nothing is an agreeable solution to a bunch of children who can’t share 20 year old elf pixels.

[Viscere]

Still ginger and mad?

[Terrok]

Freedom isn't free!

[Croco]

Freedom isn't free!

Duh. It costs a buck oh five.

[Nuggie]

I read the first page confused. I read Menden's post and caught some perspective.

Shame on you three guilds for being more toxic than any guild(s) in the history of P99.

Might be time to shake off the dust on my Blue chars.

[Terrok]

I hope he quakes every 3 to 5 days, to teach these asshats a lesson.

[Terrok]

Pretty sure it says if guilds are suspended or conceding any golems it will be rescheduled. Who wants to play some Zombie Warzone late today?!

Why couldn't you and furoar have just gone to another game in the first place. Was WoW boring, or it you guys?

[Terrok]

If you guys really loved each other, it wouldn't matter what game you ruined. Go duo a FPS.

[Ovaltine]

Why couldn't you and furoar have just gone to another game in the first place. Was WoW boring, or it you guys?

If you guys really loved each other, it wouldn't matter what game you ruined. Go duo a FPS.


Its this type of shit that helped get us all banned in the first place. Stop being part of the problem.

[Fammaden]

Triple poster very mad.

[Blingy]

Shame on you three guilds for being more toxic than any guild(s) in the history of P99.

Oh my sweet summer child. Apparently you never visited Saryrn Tavern's "The Blast Furnace".

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thesaryrntavern/the-blast-furnace-f8/index-s75.html

[Dreenk317]

I read the first page confused. I read Menden's post and caught some perspective.

Shame on you three guilds for being more toxic than any guild(s) in the history of P99.

Might be time to shake off the dust on my Blue chars.

The toxicity has always been here. Its just been dealt with in different ways, by players, and the GM's. Fact is, the majority of players leading these guilds and filing the petitions, and representing them in the UN. Have prolly been here for years and been behaving this way even longer.

I dont disagree, shit needs to stop. But it's not at all new. Their used to be raid bans handed out every week it seemed. For one guild or another. The end game changed when green released and lots of people left blue. Riot seemed to be uncontested on most end game velious content, and some kunark. They grew fat and happy. Then people got over green/came back from other things. And competition came with it. GM's enforce the UN and a new petition based meta with rigorous outlines and format requirements leading to lengthy petitions. And now........ here we are.

[Lothisu]

The toxicity has always been here. Its just been dealt with in different ways, by players, and the GM's. Fact is, the majority of players leading these guilds and filing the petitions, and representing them in the UN. Have prolly been here for years and been behaving this way even longer.

I dont disagree, shit needs to stop. But it's not at all new. Their used to be raid bans handed out every week it seemed. For one guild or another. The end game changed when green released and lots of people left blue. Riot seemed to be uncontested on most end game velious content, and some kunark. They grew fat and happy. Then people got over green/came back from other things. And competition came with it. GM's enforce the UN and a new petition based meta with rigorous outlines and format requirements leading to lengthy petitions. And now........ here we are.

It wasn't that long ago Galach implemented new raid rules for zone specific mobs. I was under the understanding that TOV was next but Riot refused to come to any sort of agreements within that zone. Perhaps this had something to do with it?

[Tunabros]

good thing im still in kittens lol
see you all at trak

[kaizersoze]

It wasn't that long ago Galach implemented new raid rules for zone specific mobs. I was under the understanding that TOV was next but Riot refused to come to any sort of agreements within that zone. Perhaps this had something to do with it?

Im pretty sure it has more to do with RNF and the UN than anything else.

[sydbarrett25]

This shit never happened on Teal...

[sydbarrett25]

Emperor crush the true end-game content now?

[Terrok]

Its this type of shit that helped get us all banned in the first place. Stop being part of the problem.

I'm not the one(s) who no one else wants to be guilded with, and had to create my own guild and use another guilds to actually be able to kill raid targets. You see Cancer you cut it out, you don't feed it, you don't try to reason with it. They are the type of people who will never be happy unless they are creating chaos and getting attention. I mean sure AG is the ones who helped them create this mess, but really it all revolves around these two, and a handful of their elitist minions.

[Nuggie]

The toxicity has always been here. Its just been dealt with in different ways, by players, and the GM's. Fact is, the majority of players leading these guilds and filing the petitions, and representing them in the UN. Have prolly been here for years and been behaving this way even longer.

I dont disagree, shit needs to stop. But it's not at all new. Their used to be raid bans handed out every week it seemed. For one guild or another. The end game changed when green released and lots of people left blue. Riot seemed to be uncontested on most end game velious content, and some kunark. They grew fat and happy. Then people got over green/came back from other things. And competition came with it. GM's enforce the UN and a new petition based meta with rigorous outlines and format requirements leading to lengthy petitions. And now........ here we are.

And how many guilds caught themselves an indefinite ban prior to this?

[OuterChimp]

Emperor crush the true end-game content now?

TR is camped and we are pulling Crush and Dvinn as well. I'll put you on the list.

[Gatordash]

I see a lot of people picking apart proposed solutions, but not offering much in the way of amending them to make them agreeable. It looks like its going to be grats kittens for a LONG time at this rate ;)

Start banning guilds for sending in unwarranted or frivolous petitions. That would clean up most of it.

[Hotel]

I'm not the one(s) who no one else wants to be guilded with.


create my own guild

use another guilds

koolaid is strong

exactly how many of your current raiders are ex am members lol

[Sacer]

Start banning guilds for sending in unwarranted or frivolous petitions. That would clean up most of it.

That would actually require work from the GM, and that's the thing they're complaining about, the toxocity being an excuse it's not worst on p99 than any other gaming communities.

If they're not gonna bother with petitions anyway why not cut all the rules and let it be the wild west like on live.

[gildor]

Any guild that sends a petition takes a week off..the payment for submitting a petition, make the penalty of a petitioned guild a month off ...force people to work together

[Hrothgar]

Make Vulak loot buyable, fund the project indefinitely, and just put the suffix "of Shame" to anyone who buys it.

Sec, wait 3 mins for me to make my popcorn before making the guild <Shameful> that still responds to batphones for Vulak loot, with Vulak loot.

[KansasComrade]

Yeah it’s going to take some degree of involvement from GMs willingness to enforce strict rules. If a petition gets submitted, either the petitioner gets what they asked for, or they get punished for wasting GM time. Loot deletion for broken rules. Conceding x4 instead of 2. If you get double punishment for being guilty of raid rule.

If this doesn’t work, rotations.

[Wabic]

Make Vulak loot buyable, fund the project indefinitely, and just put the suffix "of Shame" to anyone who buys it.



That suffix would make me want to buy Vulak loot more. Come on, you're showing people you can afford Vulak loot.

[Hrothgar]

That suffix would make me want to buy Vulak loot more. Come on, you're showing people you can afford Vulak loot.

IKR! And the GMs can retire from their dayjobs and police elf pixels all day because I'm confident that it'd easily net 20k a month.

My evidence: EQ Live is at a higher paid sub list and active daily player count in 2020 than it was in 2015.

[Detoxx]

To be fair we set out to make big changes to the raid scene. Seems to be working. We didn't intend it to be quite to this level, we just wanted to give people more options than being pigeon holed into one guild where if you got in and your friends were denied /shrug too bad.

Giving one guild the entirety of the server and control of all of the raid scene is never good and it appears that will be changing.

[kjs86z]

To be fair we set out to make big changes to the raid scene. Seems to be working. We didn't intend it to be quite to this level, we just wanted to give people more options than being pigeon holed into one guild where if you got in and your friends were denied /shrug too bad.

Giving one guild the entirety of the server and control of all of the raid scene is never good and it appears that will be changing.

Yeah man you have been such a steward for all the small guys of the raid scene.

https://i.imgur.com/ODWvxR9.png

[Wabic]

Oh I misunderstood. Meant I'd buy that with plat, not dollars.

[Skarne]

To be fair we set out to make big changes to the raid scene. Seems to be working. We didn't intend it to be quite to this level, we just wanted to give people more options than being pigeon holed into one guild where if you got in and your friends were denied /shrug too bad.

Giving one guild the entirety of the server and control of all of the raid scene is never good and it appears that will be changing.

Haha gee, thanks Detoxx!

[kjs86z]

Not even Thanksgiving of 2017 could hinder Detoxx's unwavering care for every raider on P99.

https://i.imgur.com/DCvimPL.gif

[Vynsticus]

No need to point this out but a lot of people say "Frick Riot" because Riot says "Frick everyone else!".

Same thing happening now as it did before when bigger guilds got suspended. Other guilds are working together and splitting up raid targets and working together. Imagine a world where guaranteed loot is better than hours of shit show cluster fuck wastes of time.

[xdrcfrx]

https://imgur.com/a/A6xZNmL

Detoxx, champion of the little guy for sure.

[Wabic]

Giving one guild the entirety of the server and control of all of the raid scene is never good and it appears that will be changing.

I have never understood this. Why do we want competition on a PVE server? So we're encouraging competition then wondering why we have problems with people being too competitive?

[Argh]

Just get rid of variance ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Sociopathic]

Make all raid targets merchants. Thier loot tables are for sale. All proceeds go to bringing back Dial a Port. Grats Arleigh on full BiS.

[Hrothgar]

Make all raid targets merchants. Thier loot tables are for sale. All proceeds go to bringing back Dial a Port. Grats Arleigh on full BiS.

AG: "WTS Vindi loot rights to guildies"

[mumpz]

cant wait for bluebs to not ever come to resolution and kwsm to become the best guild on the server

[Lostfaction]

wrong time for a kitten to have an alt in riot

[Nexii]

To be fair we set out to make big changes to the raid scene. Seems to be working. We didn't intend it to be quite to this level, we just wanted to give people more options than being pigeon holed into one guild where if you got in and your friends were denied /shrug too bad.

Giving one guild the entirety of the server and control of all of the raid scene is never good and it appears that will be changing.

Yea it was pretty bad putting up with Sedyt when AM was dominating everything

[Gatordash]

An actual solution is to ban guilds for unwarranted or frivolous petitions.

Your guild petitions with fraps and a /assist that shows Guild A training Guild B? Ban Guild A. Fraps don't show clear evidence of it? Ban Guild B.

Guild A sends a petition because Guild B said they suck and to get good? Your 30+ years old. Get over it. You are already a loser for arguing about this anyways. Ban Guild A.

GMs will have a week or two of petitions to deal with before Guild Leaders are double and triple checking that the petition is clear and warranted. People will fuck up on both sides because despite your best RnF effort that's how this game works and Guild Leaders will start working deals out amongst themselves to avoid petitions/bans... aka "working it out amongst themselves".

Ultimately there will be some degree of subjectivity to the petition and even if a GM gets one wrong every once in awhile, all 3 guild leaders will agree that a week ban for 1 guild is better than an indefinite ban for all 3.

[dovi1212]

Maybe they should root the dragons again, that definitely helped reduce the toxicity and improved the raid scene.
And don't forget leapfrogging is a dick move and whoever calls out a dragon first should have first dibs on it.
fuck it, lets go full rotations so we can gratz bladefrenzy on vulak loot.

[Hrothgar]

The GMs are too busy playing live to care about all this bullshit.

Look at yourselves.

Just check how active they are in the EQ Live disc.

[Toryas]

Blah blah

Are you OK? You sound like you didn't get picked for the team and are quite bitter about it.

[Nuggie]

Just get rid of variance ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At this point.... may as well. I'm pretty happy for Kittens. They were pretty chill when I was on Blue.

[Jorgam]

Kittens used to be a good bunch. Things have changed over there and from my past experiences with them, it doesn't appear to be in a good way.

They probably still have some good people, but the makeup of the guild now that it's filled with Riot alts has truly cratered.

I'm not sure why everyone is leaping for joy that Kittens will get infinite wipes on top end content until a resolution is figured out. They were never a "raid" guild in the first place.

[SantagarBrax]

Geez crazy to see it come to this but good for p99 staff. Putting their foot down and not dealing with this crap anymore is great to see. Leadership from some maybe all of these guilds could surely benefit from taking a break and clearing their heads out in the real world for a change. God knows how long some have been playing non-stop for years it would make most people crazy. Hopefully clearer heads will prevail after the immersion is broken and everyone can enjoy playing this game we are all supposed to be enjoying.

The problem with this statement is that the GM's have not been "dealing with this crap".

It's no secret that since the arrival and launch of Green, the GM's on Blue have been virtually non-existent. Had there been more involvement on Blue, it's entirely plausible that we would not be at this junction.

Realistically, these problems with the raid scene on Blue have only emerged within the last few months since the formation of Freedom. Reading over the UN conversations, one can objectively notice that one guild in particular wants their cake and eat it too.

All of this has been ranted about in RNF over the past few months and we all know GM's do monitor RNF. Why haven't they done anything to address any of the concerns and nip it in the bud with a firm ruling?

These problematic interactions between Riot and Freedom are of no surprise, it's not like it was unforeseen. This was literally the reason Freedom formed, due to conflict within Riot from certain members and the leadership of Riot.

I'm not putting 100% of the fault at the feet of the GM's, most assuredly they are not the root of the problem, just recognizing that there has been foreseeable problems coming down the road and the lack attention to it has only exacerbated the situation.

Throwing down an indefinite hammer ban seems to be an "easy way out" decision from a lack of participation more than a reasonable contribution towards any meaningful solution.

Now, 99% of the raiding guild members, whom have no control over leaderships' attitudes and relationships toward each other, are charged with the task of ensuring leadership from both guilds "figure it out" and compromise.

Has that worked at all in any significant way thus far? There has to be a better way.

/sigh


Small footnote: The raid scene was more toxic when velious launched and for a year and a half afterwards than it is right now, and blanket indefinite ban's weren't handed out then.

[Nuggie]

Kittens used to be a good bunch. Things have changed over there and from my past experiences with them, it doesn't appear to be in a good way.

They probably still have some good people, but the makeup of the guild now that it's filled with Riot alts has truly cratered.

I'm not sure why everyone is leaping for joy that Kittens will get infinite wipes on top end content until a resolution is figured out. They were never a "raid" guild in the first place.

@the bolded text - doesn't matter, they won't be able to raid. Cheers to the casuals in Kittens. Enjoy the raiding.

[nyclin]

detoxx comes back to p99 and reforms forsaken v69.420 and the raid scene almost immediately turns toxic after being relatively civil for nearly a year, wow never saw that one coming just absolutely floored by this development

[adichi]

Beta bluebies can't even farm pixels right. Meanwhile on green a UN has long been established and all pixels are shared and distributed equally

[kjs86z]

detoxx comes back to p99 and reforms forsaken v69.420 and the raid scene almost immediately turns toxic after being relatively civil for nearly a year, wow never saw that one coming just absolutely floored by this development

/thread

[Jorgam]

detoxx comes back to p99 and reforms forsaken v69.420 and the raid scene almost immediately turns toxic after being relatively civil for nearly a year, wow never saw that one coming just absolutely floored by this development

No doubt that Detoxx is not liked by many in the high end raid scene, however, IMO it is more so that with the formation of Riot and the mass zerg / overwhelming machine they made, everyone else was forced to do crazy shit in tandem with them in order to stay relevant, thus the FRAG alliance.

It was an escalation of an arms race that brings us here today. Riot being allowed to go almost full TMO for so long made people insane. They needed some in game anti-trust litigation to break them and their monopoly up and so here we are.

[Gatordash]

The problem with this statement is that the GM's have not been "dealing with this crap".

It's no secret that since the arrival and launch of Green, the GM's on Blue have been virtually non-existent. Had there been more involvement on Blue, it's entirely plausible that we would not be at this junction.

Realistically, these problems with the raid scene on Blue have only emerged within the last few months since the formation of Freedom. Reading over the UN conversations, one can objectively notice that one guild in particular wants their cake and eat it too.

All of this has been ranted about in RNF over the past few months and we all know GM's do monitor RNF. Why haven't they done anything to address any of the concerns and nip it in the bud with a firm ruling?

These problematic interactions between Riot and Freedom are of no surprise, it's not like it was unforeseen. This was literally the reason Freedom formed, due to conflict within Riot from certain members and the leadership of Riot.

I'm not putting 100% of the fault at the feet of the GM's, most assuredly they are not the root of the problem, just recognizing that there has been foreseeable problems coming down the road and the lack attention to it has only exacerbated the situation.

Throwing down an indefinite hammer ban seems to be an "easy way out" decision from a lack of participation more than a reasonable contribution towards any meaningful solution.

Now, 99% of the raiding guild members, whom have no control over leaderships' attitudes and relationships toward each other, are charged with the task of ensuring leadership from both guilds "figure it out" and compromise.

Has that worked at all in any significant way thus far? There has to be a better way.

/sigh


Small footnote: The raid scene was more toxic when velious launched and for a year and a half afterwards than it is right now, and blanket indefinite ban's weren't handed out then.

If the GMs wanted to fix the raid scene they'd do it, its not hard. They enjoy the drama or toxicity or whatever they want to call it. Indefinite ban/work it out in discord just means they can read more drama in the UN discord chat. You can write a wall of text to try and justify it but its pretty easy to see through it.

[saftbudet]

detoxx comes back to p99 and reforms forsaken v69.420 and the raid scene almost immediately turns toxic after being relatively civil for nearly a year, wow never saw that one coming just absolutely floored by this development

True

[Caball]

I mean... everyone has just as much a right to play this game as anyone else. Freedom formed because Riot leadership decided to play god and determine who can and can’t raid on P99. Wether you like someone or not isn’t relevant, no one here owns this server besides Rogean and Nilbog and outcasting or turning your back on people who want to be apart of the raid scene was a bad call. Freedom never would have formed if Riot leadership didn’t start kicking people and being the gatekeeper of 90% of raid content week after week. Rather not get into it more than that but Riot had basically free reign for a year and the only competition was internal and Arcler/Unicity decided to deal with it in a poor way and now you all wind up here. Stop blaming everyone else and realize it’s not someone else’s fault but everyone’s fault who has “power” in these top raiding guilds who decided to tell other people they can’t see the large majority of the raid content because they feel like it.

[SantagarBrax]

I mean... everyone has just as much a right to play this game as anyone else. Freedom formed because Riot leadership decided to play god and determine who can and can’t raid on P99. Wether you like someone or not isn’t relevant, no one here owns this server besides Rogean and Nilbog and outcasting or turning your back on people who want to be apart of the raid scene was a bad call. Freedom never would have formed if Riot leadership didn’t start kicking people and being the gatekeeper of 90% of raid content week after week. Rather not get into it more than that but Riot had basically free reign for a year and the only competition was internal and Arcler/Unicity decided to deal with it in a poor way and now you all wind up here. Stop blaming everyone else and realize it’s not someone else’s fault but everyone’s fault who has “power” in these top raiding guilds who decided to tell other people they can’t see the large majority of the raid content because they feel like it.

I disagree about the how's and why's of being at this point, yet it's irrelevant. We're here.

If you volunteered to the join the ARMY, you didn't complain when you were given a mission and told to accomplish it. You just accomplished the mission however you saw fit as long as it wasn't an unlawful order (against Rogean/Nilbog) or didn't jeopardize the safety of your men and women below you.

[kaizersoze]

I mean... everyone has just as much a right to play this game as anyone else. Freedom formed because Riot leadership decided to play god and determine who can and can’t raid on P99. Wether you like someone or not isn’t relevant, no one here owns this server besides Rogean and Nilbog and outcasting or turning your back on people who want to be apart of the raid scene was a bad call. Freedom never would have formed if Riot leadership didn’t start kicking people and being the gatekeeper of 90% of raid content week after week. Rather not get into it more than that but Riot had basically free reign for a year and the only competition was internal and Arcler/Unicity decided to deal with it in a poor way and now you all wind up here. Stop blaming everyone else and realize it’s not someone else’s fault but everyone’s fault who has “power” in these top raiding guilds who decided to tell other people they can’t see the large majority of the raid content because they feel like it.

Everyone does have a right to play, you're right. Unless you are flagrantly breaking the rules and get banned, this is true. Though that doesn't mean you're entitled to join every circle of players. Riot had every right to turn away Detox. Just like AG had every right to turn away Faumeni when they did over things they had done in the past. Or people like Bvmmy or Bladefrenzy for making questionable calls, stealing, or trying to loot council things to themselves or just berating your raid force unnecessarily. Your reputation stays with you, whether you like it or not. Only other option is to reroll and stay silent in coms.

[Bellringer]

https://i.imgur.com/4qlN1Ml.gif

[Caball]

Basically if you weren’t in Riot, you weren’t going to see the large majority of raid content. Riot has every right to decide who can and cannot be in their guild (or atleast the 7ish officers who control a guild full of 600 people) People not in Riot want to see that same raid content as well tho, and they should be able to have the option to see that content even if Riot turns their back or rejects them. You all are in this situation because you couldn’t come to any sort of agreement and each guild thinks they deserve more and more. Fact is there just isn’t t enough raid mobs/they don’t spawn often enough to satisfy the lust for these high end pixels and with a top heavy population on one server, no silo toon is going to be ideal. Wish I had an answer to fix this shit show but the reality is there are too many people trying to raid too little of content and this game was never designed for this

[arsenalpow]

“Right to play” is pretty loaded. Everyone has the right to log into the server but the end game is dictated by the staff and the groups willing to be the most extreme to capture pixels. If you don’t like it then vote with your feet. Plenty of guilds have already learned this lesson.

[Caball]

There are so many “most extreme” people acting so toxic towards eachother that the staff finally said enough is enough they do not want to babysit hundreds of 40ish year old nerds on a god damn free to play server run by volunteers lol. You couldn’t pay me enough to take on the job these poor GMs have, and they aren’t even allowed to be paid! Regardless of who you feel is right or wrong or who deserves what, these leaders will either come to a solution or never see another raid pixel again. Which I’m totally fine with since most of these people should have quit playing years ago

[tranceminus]

cant wait for bluebs to not ever come to resolution and kwsm to become the best guild on the server

kwsm is already the best guild on the server.

[gkmarino]

That fresh sock smell

[AenorVZ]

The GMs are really doing you guys a favor.

[Nuggie]

No doubt that Detoxx is not liked by many in the high end raid scene, however, IMO it is more so that with the formation of Riot and the mass zerg / overwhelming machine they made, everyone else was forced to do crazy shit in tandem with them in order to stay relevant, thus the FRAG alliance.

It was an escalation of an arms race that brings us here today. Riot being allowed to go almost full TMO for so long made people insane. They needed some in game anti-trust litigation to break them and their monopoly up and so here we are.

Eh, there would be no Riot without AM monopolizing raid content before that.

[Croco]

Eh, there would be no Riot without AM monopolizing raid content before that.

Truth.

[Viscere]

We dominated what, 2 years with AM?

Riot also got 2 yrs ?

[Ripqozko]

We dominated what, 2 years with AM?

Riot also got 2 yrs ?

Neither dominated , just eating our leftovers. Congrats

[Matalus]

I think I want to play again guys, and as someone that was on both sides of everything, I'm not sure who to go to.

[Littul Jonn]

I think I want to play again guys, and as someone that was on both sides of everything, I'm not sure who to go to.

Don't you do it! Our WoW guild needs you! :D

p99 was great for a while but who has time for 16 hour windows and 4am bat phones anymore?

[Viscere]

Both sides are suspended :D

[Thaak]

Don't you do it! Our WoW guild needs you! :D

p99 was great for a while but who has time for 16 hour windows and 4am bat phones anymore?

Practically everyone in R/AG/F.

It's kinda the reason Blue is at this point.

[Littul Jonn]

Practically everyone in R/AG/F.

It's kinda the reason Blue is at this point.

oh damn, good point.

Well I hope they can figure it out or move on to greener pastures. I've been having a blast in WoW Classic, can schedule raid times, PVP, and still do fun things with my guildies like cash camps, lvling alts, PVP etc.

I do miss my bard, such a fun class, and EQ is definitely a different game than WoW but given the alternatives... i'll stick with my shaman in WoW haha

[Arvan]

kwsm is already the best guild on the server.

has been ever since i found p99

[Mikebro]

oh damn, good point.

Well I hope they can figure it out or move on to greener pastures. I've been having a blast in WoW Classic, can schedule raid times, PVP, and still do fun things with my guildies like cash camps, lvling alts, PVP etc.

I do miss my bard, such a fun class, and EQ is definitely a different game than WoW but given the alternatives... i'll stick with my shaman in WoW haha

AM scum :P <3

[lagrimatz]

LOL, omg hi!

[sydbarrett25]

LOL, omg hi!

[Rang]

https://i.imgur.com/QxgsUFQ.gif

[k9quaint]

LOL, omg hi!

Zomg miss you!

[Phenyo]

elves still berging over the corpse of blue in 2020 year of our lord

[Tankwipe]

it's good to be back good thread

[conoutoftrol]

Anyone have a survival guide? is there a rl wiki? Haven't been out of the basement for a couple years.

[Daloon]

GMs dont realize that we play to deny our competition of pixels, so blanket suspensions dont exactly feel bad, never have, never will.

[Hideousclaw]

oh damn, good point.

Well I hope they can figure it out or move on to greener pastures. I've been having a blast in WoW Classic, can schedule raid times, PVP, and still do fun things with my guildies like cash camps, lvling alts, PVP etc.

I do miss my bard, such a fun class, and EQ is definitely a different game than WoW but given the alternatives... i'll stick with my shaman in WoW haha

If I dont get Littul laughs while raiding in EQ, I am glad I still get them in WoW! <3

[Zoggren]

detoxx comes back to p99 and reforms forsaken v69.420 and the raid scene almost immediately turns toxic after being relatively civil for nearly a year, wow never saw that one coming just absolutely floored by this development

The raid scene was civil for a year because one guild dominated all high end content. AG barely saw inner ring NToV or Vulak, and were beat time and again for city leaders in a system designed to favor those with the most experience with the current raid rule set. Freedom forms out of AG and Riot and (Aftermath) and suddenly the guild who had it nearly on lock must fight again for spawns. No guild with power like that is going to give it up easily, and the same could be said of Aftermath when Riot surpassed them. Riot decided to rules lawyer and Aftermath had their own response to suddenly being challenged. I think in the end it made it toxic, whether through 20 page petitions or cut throat play. Both guilds regularly fielded 125 plus during their height for mobs. The idea that either of them were zergs would be false, as each had knowledgeable playmakers that knew how to be successful inside a byzantine rule set that other guilds often didn't fully understand. I am sure Paradigm Shift and Core had a more difficult time under Aftermath than AG did under Riot, but in the end losing so many mobs to one guild brings the same feeling of animosity. No system will work here with one guild dominating again that will not lead to the creation of a toxic environment. Any solution that will work will have to result in Riot Freedom and AG all losing mobs, and opening up more raid content to Kittens, TSS and DB, plus any other alliances. Ideas of making a more punitive system are moot, we've already tried that. The idea that the GM's can be perfect arbitrators has already proven to be a false one, and they just don't want to anymore. You can have certain mobs on rotation while still having competition on other mobs. A system that can entice guilds to work together instead of creating a hyper partisan system, where people hate entire guilds because they must destroy them during cycle days. It needs to be a radical rethinking, for the better of the server. We all live here in the end. We're all p99'ers. The GM's are letting us decide which way to go and more than just the top 3 guilds should have a say in it.

[Nuggie]

Good post comrade.

[remen]

my understanding is that there were like 20 active petitions at the time of the suspensions, please correct me if I'm wrong. For those who have access to that stuff, could you let us know how many of those petitions are from ToV vs. zones like VP / kael / skyshrine etc.

And for the ToV petitions, are any involving Iki and Gozz (the two unrooted mobs who can be pulled to ent)? What I am obviously getting at is that rooted dragons are the problem. It's created a meta where huge train away strats are the ones that are needed to compete. 200+ people around a dragon with massive trains all over the place no wonder there are so many petitions and different opinions depending which guild you are in.

[Nuggie]

Sure, mechanics can be blamed for people's behavior. But:

One of the corequisites of being an adult is accepting responsibilities for your actions.

[Phenyo]

Sure, mechanics can be blamed for people's behavior. But:

One of the corequisites of being an adult is accepting responsibilities for your actions.

where do you think we are?

[kaev]

And how many guilds caught themselves an indefinite ban prior to this?

Rogean banned ALL raiding prior to imposing the Class R system. That was mostly aimed at TMO, which utterly dominated VP & the 7-day content at the time due to being the most tightly organized zerg on the server, but by banning all raiding Rogean got the other guilds to (briefly) consider their own wannabe toxicity.

[Sociopathic]

HI KAEV!!!!

[Viscere]

The raid scene was civil for a year because one guild dominated all high end content. AG barely saw inner ring NToV or Vulak, and were beat time and again for city leaders in a system designed to favor those with the most experience with the current raid rule set. Freedom forms out of AG and Riot and (Aftermath) and suddenly the guild who had it nearly on lock must fight again for spawns. No guild with power like that is going to give it up easily, and the same could be said of Aftermath when Riot surpassed them. Riot decided to rules lawyer and Aftermath had their own response to suddenly being challenged. I think in the end it made it toxic, whether through 20 page petitions or cut throat play. Both guilds regularly fielded 125 plus during their height for mobs. The idea that either of them were zergs would be false, as each had knowledgeable playmakers that knew how to be successful inside a byzantine rule set that other guilds often didn't fully understand. I am sure Paradigm Shift and Core had a more difficult time under Aftermath than AG did under Riot, but in the end losing so many mobs to one guild brings the same feeling of animosity. No system will work here with one guild dominating again that will not lead to the creation of a toxic environment. Any solution that will work will have to result in Riot Freedom and AG all losing mobs, and opening up more raid content to Kittens, TSS and DB, plus any other alliances. Ideas of making a more punitive system are moot, we've already tried that. The idea that the GM's can be perfect arbitrators has already proven to be a false one, and they just don't want to anymore. You can have certain mobs on rotation while still having competition on other mobs. A system that can entice guilds to work together instead of creating a hyper partisan system, where people hate entire guilds because they must destroy them during cycle days. It needs to be a radical rethinking, for the better of the server. We all live here in the end. We're all p99'ers. The GM's are letting us decide which way to go and more than just the top 3 guilds should have a say in it.

Qft

[Sacer]

I can't wait for rotations, that's gonna be so fun thanks Freedom.

[Kief]

The sad truth many of you are resistant to is that Everquest was not designed to be the hyper competitive gaming environment ya'll are trying to make it be. Easy solution is rotate all mobs. Can make an exception like Kael if you really need a janky ass mariokart experience to feel superior to other people.

Ding ding motherfucker! Ahahahahahaa!

Shit had me laughin brother. Kudos.

[Senix]

I mean... everyone has just as much a right to play this game as anyone else. Freedom formed because Riot leadership decided to play god and determine who can and can’t raid on P99. Wether you like someone or not isn’t relevant, no one here owns this server besides Rogean and Nilbog and outcasting or turning your back on people who want to be apart of the raid scene was a bad call. Freedom never would have formed if Riot leadership didn’t start kicking people and being the gatekeeper of 90% of raid content week after week. Rather not get into it more than that but Riot had basically free reign for a year and the only competition was internal and Arcler/Unicity decided to deal with it in a poor way and now you all wind up here. Stop blaming everyone else and realize it’s not someone else’s fault but everyone’s fault who has “power” in these top raiding guilds who decided to tell other people they can’t see the large majority of the raid content because they feel like it.

So you are saying instead we shoulda been forced to raid with people we don't even feel comfortable being around ? I'm fine with competition but you can't simply say if Riot accepted all assholes everything would be fine....

[Senix]

And I mean that in the most general way no one in particular.

[Pint]

Someone wake me up when its time to rotate

[Naonak]

Next month with Kunark on green, no one will give 2 copper about blue again.

[Fammaden]

The raid scene was civil for a year because one guild dominated all high end content. AG barely saw inner ring NToV or Vulak, and were beat time and again for city leaders in a system designed to favor those with the most experience with the current raid rule set.

Freedom forms out of AG and Riot and (Aftermath) and suddenly the guild who had it nearly on lock must fight again for spawns. No guild with power like that is going to give it up easily, and the same could be said of Aftermath when Riot surpassed them.

Riot decided to rules lawyer and Aftermath had their own response to suddenly being challenged. I think in the end it made it toxic, whether through 20 page petitions or cut throat play. Both guilds regularly fielded 125 plus during their height for mobs. The idea that either of them were zergs would be false, as each had knowledgeable playmakers that knew how to be successful inside a byzantine rule set that other guilds often didn't fully understand. I am sure Paradigm Shift and Core had a more difficult time under Aftermath than AG did under Riot, but in the end losing so many mobs to one guild brings the same feeling of animosity.

No system will work here with one guild dominating again that will not lead to the creation of a toxic environment. Any solution that will work will have to result in Riot Freedom and AG all losing mobs, and opening up more raid content to Kittens, TSS and DB, plus any other alliances.

Ideas of making a more punitive system are moot, we've already tried that. The idea that the GM's can be perfect arbitrators has already proven to be a false one, and they just don't want to anymore. You can have certain mobs on rotation while still having competition on other mobs. A system that can entice guilds to work together instead of creating a hyper partisan system, where people hate entire guilds because they must destroy them during cycle days.

It needs to be a radical rethinking, for the better of the server. We all live here in the end. We're all p99'ers. The GM's are letting us decide which way to go and more than just the top 3 guilds should have a say in it.

One more time, with enter key use, because its a good post.

[Grumph]

Open raids.

Random for loot.

Problem solved.

It’s not a rotation (bc that’s not gonna work)
and there’s nothing to petition (because that’s not going to work).

Everyone takes 100% responsibility for getting whatever loot they want.

And if you loose? You have only your own dice to blame.

It’s the way classic EQ was always meant to be played.

[Jorgam]

Just fucking instance it!

[kaizersoze]

TMO throttles blue - RMT bans destroy them
AM throttles the server - Tells all the casuls to get good
Riot people AM rustled throttle the server - the three biggest raid guilds get suspended because nobody can agree to a few basic rotations like RW and Tuna.

[Ripqozko]

Let’s not worry about a resolution for few months, take a break and quit being toxic.

[kaizersoze]

Let’s not worry about a resolution for few months, take a break and quit being toxic.

a little time outside, in the gym, and with the mrs / mr / whatever it is you call your person you bang wouldnt hurt everyone.

[BiG SiP]

consider Green

[Detoxx]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.

[Yoink1986]

No it just take detoxx.

[Endonde]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.

So you're saying competition creates toxicity, so the obvious solution is to rotate everything. I agree.

[Drakborn]

upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them.

Tawanda and...? Furoar? Are you talking about Furoar?!? Ahahahahahahaha

[2eazy4]

Rotate ST/Tuna/RW and have 30min-1hr lock out for each dragon in ToV. Ez peezy

[Hrothgar]

Or, drop Luclin and add more content for an end-game saturated playerbase to occupy themselves with?

It's what Brad would have wanted.

[Fammaden]

If you Freedom and Riot people could bury the hatchet and stop acting like the real housewives of West Wastes County it would go a long way to alleviating some of this shit.

[area]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.

Nice revisionist history. AM was toxic as all get out for this server. Riot blew that up and played nice for the most part. They did give other guilds chances at certain things.

One of those things was agreeing to Golem races. Who blew that up? "just a group of friends trying to have fun" (aka Guild, RenamedGuild, Ghost, Ghxst, Freedom) did. Specifically formed to screw that agreement up. Stole Golems from the agreed upon racers.

That's toxic. And that is the reason people (not just Riot) hates any guild built upon the ashes and living legacy of AM (in case you think that's a cool thing, it's not. People not in AM hate you and that legacy).

Yeah, I know. People like you and others in AM thrive off that hate and the tears of others, but it still needs to be said. That makes you a bad person. That is why you didn't get into Riot (I'm not nor have ever been in Riot, but that's my assumption from reading here).

Freedom (and it's recent predecessors) were built to be toxic from the start. Why else would the guild be formed with guildnames that attempt to hide from "/who all"?

[kaizersoze]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.

You mean when Freedom put in it's mission statement that it was meant to "kill riot" instead of "compete with riot"? I wonder why there was disdain there.

[kjs86z]

You mean when Freedom put in it's mission statement that it was meant to "kill riot" instead of "compete with riot"? I wonder why there was disdain there.

Big Daddy Detoxx dropped his BMI enough to get his dick wet on the regular and now would have you believe hes the patron saint of the P99 raid scene.

[Praxcthius]

Now remember everyone that riot is composed of a LOT of Paradigm Shift folks who for the most part are remembered for as a guild that.. hmm shit. i'll remember this. I know I will. oh yeah I think they killed vindi. now with the exception of about 5 people from ps I know were top notch people riot would be that same old guild of small accomplishments if the core aspect hadn't merged.

[Arvan]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.

I'm sure people had zero reason to dislike you.

[kaizersoze]

Now remember everyone that riot is composed of a LOT of Paradigm Shift folks who for the most part are remembered for as a guild that.. hmm shit. i'll remember this. I know I will. oh yeah I think they killed vindi. now with the exception of about 5 people from ps I know were top notch people riot would be that same old guild of small accomplishments if the core aspect hadn't merged.

and AG merged with blood guard and am. (the am that didnt go to riot)

[douglas1999]

The words toxic and toxicity are getting really annoying, please pick a new word thx

[reznor_]

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition.

Correct, I love how people forget this.

Rotate(instance) some content sure, don’t rotate others. There’s nothing else out there like p99, otherwise we wouldn’t play. Of course it’s fucking fun to beat out 2-4 other guilds to a target. I’ve been on both ends of it. This is an enhanced PvE environment where yes you compete against the environment, but also try to outsmart your opponent. That meta in itself is amazing and so you should quit and play something else if you really want to change that fundamental mechanic. And I hope that fundamental piece always stays.

[Jorgam]

The words toxic and toxicity are getting really annoying, please pick a new word thx

Agreed. Toxic is SJW trash speak and it's annoying as shit.

[Mikebro]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.

Furs was a jackass and Tawanda was friends with Motec.. so that's a write off. Think Riot did ok.

Also COD halloween event is fun as fuck /thumbsup

[Mikebro]

Also also I agree competition creates toxitcity...

[Ennewi]

Com
a prefix meaning “with,” “together,” “in association,” and (with intensive force) “completely,” occurring in loanwords from Latin (commit)

+

Petition
a formal written request, typically one signed by many people, appealing to authority with respect to a particular cause.

=/=

Competition

[Toryas]

Blah blah

Are you OK? You sound delusional.

[Ghost of Starman]

Just put in rotations or instancing already, people with lives will get to experience content, people without lives will maybe get bored enough to go outside and see the sun.

[Littul Jonn]

Honest question, how would rotations work?

Week 1: Freedom
Week 2: Riot
Week 3: AG
Week 4: All else?

Would we see the bigger guilds break up and return to their smaller roots? Not that I have any skin in the game anymore, just curious as to how the bigger guilds would feed all those mouths if you only got 1/4 of the 7 day spawns a year.

[feniin]

Freedom can't do and hasn't done hardly any raid content by themselves. They're below TSS in capability imo.

[BiG SiP]

this wouldn’t have happened on the Red server

[Hrothgar]

Just put in rotations or instancing already, people with lives will get to experience content, people without lives will maybe get bored enough to go outside and see the sun.

I keep saying the same thing.

This boiling point of manchildishness has been captured ad infinitum on p99 because of this weird Puritanical pain addiction to playing games and not actually playing them or having fun.

[Thermite]

@ Detoxx Hey bro hope you where atleast man enough to make a new warrior to try to reclaim the raid scene with using Detoxx would be lame he has everything already? Anyways hope you all can bromance up enough to raid again soon.. just kiss and make up geeze.

[Mikebro]

Honest question, how would rotations work?

Week 1: Freedom
Week 2: Riot
Week 3: AG
Week 4: All else?

Would we see the bigger guilds break up and return to their smaller roots? Not that I have any skin in the game anymore, just curious as to how the bigger guilds would feed all those mouths if you only got 1/4 of the 7 day spawns a year.

I think green does semi rotation semi competitive with open raids that /random loot for anyone that can use. I doubt it will stay that way when Kunark hits though. And blue players are so toxic i don't think Riot and Freedom/AG could pee beside each other let alone raid together at this point.

[Mikebro]

Also I cant wait to farm materials for you and Vallen <3

[Littul Jonn]

Also I cant wait to farm materials for you and Vallen <3

Haha I got an auger you can use to grind some levels :D

Would be interesting to see some kind of rotation like they have on Green. Honestly if any kind of rotation is to stick, there's gonna need to be a LOT more quakes. I don't remember the raid scene being as bad when I was in AG competing against AM. If they got a Doze, we got a KT or if they stayed in NToV, we cleaned up city leaders. Having two quakes a month plus the regular spawns seemed to be plenty of mobs while still having some fun competition.

It wasn't perfect or great back then, but definitely not where it is now so more quakes would be an improvement imo haha

[Confit]

Freedom can't do and hasn't done hardly any raid content by themselves. They're below TSS in capability imo.

So which is it? We can't do it or we hardly do it?

[Fammaden]

I think green does semi rotation semi competitive with open raids that /random loot for anyone that can use. I doubt it will stay that way when Kunark hits though. And blue players are so toxic i don't think Riot and Freedom/AG could pee beside each other let alone raid together at this point.

Green does not rotate shit, they rotate trash mobs for planar armor. This is the equivalent of rotating HoT and Kael arena on blue. All the real raid mobs are just as much of an FTE nightmare over there.

[Fammaden]

Also, they rotate sky but same thing, even blue rotates sky.

[feniin]

So which is it? We can't do it or we hardly do it?

Both are currently factual statements. :cool:

[KansasComrade]

Honestly if any kind of rotation is to stick, there's gonna need to be a LOT more quakes.


Oh you sweet, summer child.

[Akg49]

Rotation 2020! Lets gooooooooooo

[Ghost of Starman]

Honest question, how would rotations work?

Week 1: Freedom
Week 2: Riot
Week 3: AG
Week 4: All else?

Would we see the bigger guilds break up and return to their smaller roots? Not that I have any skin in the game anymore, just curious as to how the bigger guilds would feed all those mouths if you only got 1/4 of the 7 day spawns a year.

Kittens has more capability than Freedom does solo. Freedom/AG are basically the same guild using two different tags strategically for looting and plausible deniability reasons, the whole server knows you guys are basically one guild.

[feniin]

Kittens has more capability than Freedom does solo. Freedom/AG are basically the same guild using two different tags strategically for looting and plausible deniability reasons, the whole server knows you guys are basically one guild.

[gkmarino]

So many kids just found out they have a parent! Menden the gracious!

[Littul Jonn]

Kittens has more capability than Freedom does solo. Freedom/AG are basically the same guild using two different tags strategically for looting and plausible deniability reasons, the whole server knows you guys are basically one guild.

I haven’t played since December but just keep the signature since it’s awesome hahaha. Mostly just lurk here but these are interesting times! I’ve got a few buddies in each guild, genuinely curious what a rotation would look like. Instead of names, would it look like;

Week 1: Guild A
Week 2: Guild B
Week 3: Guild C
Week 4: Open competition, Rest of the server, massive server Zerg?

[arsenalpow]

Remove all rules, let them train each other until Covid is over.

[pogs4ever]

i dont see you wouldnt just week 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4, quake FFA.

[fastboy21]

Kittens now the #1 raid guild on Blue.

Discuss.

One of the most unhated guilds in the history of p99 just won EQ...

grats Kittens, you earned some fun.

[Twochain]

Remove all rules, let them train each other until Covid is over.

I think a NO CSR week of tov for the first week back would be a fun community event.

[gkmarino]

Ironic how this was catalyzed by a guild of people named Freedom who thought breaking the rules was the coolest thing they were never proven guilty of.

[Mikebro]

Green does not rotate shit, they rotate trash mobs for planar armor. This is the equivalent of rotating HoT and Kael arena on blue. All the real raid mobs are just as much of an FTE nightmare over there.

Oh so its just open raids my bad

[Arteker]

Remove all rules, let them train each other until Covid is over.

its hillarious , when it did on vp u cried other tuna.

u still the only monk on server wich died to a paladin train and he lived to laugh his ass off while u had to beg skarry wich died 17 times to try out to get ur corpse at nexona.

[Littul Jonn]

One of the most unhated guilds in the history of p99 just won EQ...

grats Kittens, you earned some fun.

Haha this reminds me of Christmas 2017 or 2018 where AM and AW were banned and AG (or maybe CSG back then?) killed Vulak right as the ban period ended.

Maybe we'll get a Tenderizer video out of this? :D

[BiG SiP]

yay another unfunny video
sweet
(LOL)

[Wokka]

Funny how Riot is pushing for 100% rotations. I thought this was the guild that welcomed competition? full rotations is not competition, it's being spoon fed and waiting in line for your mob. Although I guess they themselves known the halcyon days are well and truly gone. Hope you guys enjoyed all those free lunches. It is for the better of the server though, the year worth of free mobs and free reign over the raid scene made most of them think they were better then what they were. Then actual competition came and we saw they weren't as invincible as they liked to make out. Interesting to see how this all turns out!

[kaizersoze]

Funny how Riot is pushing for 100% rotations. I thought this was the guild that welcomed competition? full rotations is not competition, it's being spoon fed and waiting in line for your mob. Although I guess they themselves known the halcyon days are well and truly gone. Hope you guys enjoyed all those free lunches. It is for the better of the server though, the year worth of free mobs and free reign over the raid scene made most of them think they were better then what they were. Then actual competition came and we saw they weren't as invincible as they liked to make out. Interesting to see how this all turns out!

[Wokka]

I know the truth hurts dude, don't worry, most people on the server know what Riot are like. The whole good guys thing never worked. Freedom set out to reduce Riot's power and it worked

[Wokka]

I also like how you don't even attempt to debate the competition point, because you know what I'm saying is right

[pogs4ever]

rotation is the logical conclusion to the server.

[Wokka]

Rotation is not the logical solution, all rotations do is make it a spoon fed environment, and one of the GM's is firmly against rotations.

The answer is a mix of everything. Like life you can't have all of one thing or another. There has to be a bit of everything

[kaizersoze]

I know the truth hurts dude, don't worry, most people on the server know what Riot are like. The whole good guys thing never worked. Freedom set out to reduce Riot's power and it worked

It only took them Ghost, Ghxst, Guild, RenamedGuild, and Freedom to make a dent in targets that Riot kills. There was a few weeks where Riot was adapting to the new meta and now they win more races in Kael than they lose, they win WAY more of VP than they lose, they still kill more targets in TOV overall, keep all their loot, I really think you're over estimating how rustled anyone in Riot jimmies are over Freedom, who to date has killed like, 2 ST golems by themselves? Freedom is so full of shit, and themselves, that their eyes are brown lol. Sorry the truth hurts, but without AG holding your hand, you can't do Tunare. You cant do AoW. You could do Vulak, but not competitively. We wouldn't all be suspended if Freedom just admitted they are a single raid entity with AG and not deserving of their own slot, at least not until they put on their big boy pants.

[Daloon]

It only took them Ghost, Ghxst, Guild, RenamedGuild, and Freedom to make a dent in targets that Riot kills. There was a few weeks where Riot was adapting to the new meta and now they win more races in Kael than they lose, they win WAY more of VP than they lose, they still kill more targets in TOV overall, keep all their loot, I really think you're over estimating how rustled anyone in Riot jimmies are over Freedom, who to date has killed like, 2 ST golems by themselves? Freedom is so full of shit, and themselves, that their eyes are brown lol. Sorry the truth hurts, but without AG holding your hand, you can't do Tunare. You cant do AoW. You could do Vulak, but not competitively. We wouldn't all be suspended if Freedom just admitted they are a single raid entity with AG and not deserving of their own slot, at least not until they put on their big boy pants.

"This guild I'm writing essays about is SO MEANINGLESS, believe me people!" You reek.

[kaizersoze]

"This guild I'm writing essays about is SO MEANINGLESS, believe me people!" You reek.

[Capi]

It only took them Ghost, Ghxst, Guild, RenamedGuild, and Freedom to make a dent in targets that Riot kills. There was a few weeks where Riot was adapting to the new meta and now they win more races in Kael than they lose, they win WAY more of VP than they lose, they still kill more targets in TOV overall, keep all their loot, I really think you're over estimating how rustled anyone in Riot jimmies are over Freedom, who to date has killed like, 2 ST golems by themselves? Freedom is so full of shit, and themselves, that their eyes are brown lol. Sorry the truth hurts, but without AG holding your hand, you can't do Tunare. You cant do AoW. You could do Vulak, but not competitively. We wouldn't all be suspended if Freedom just admitted they are a single raid entity with AG and not deserving of their own slot, at least not until they put on their big boy pants.

I guarantee we can do Tunare. Sorry hard to read your typing with all this shit in my eyeballs.

[Hrothgar]

Anyone else read Femdom when you see Freedom in a trans forum? Or am I the only one who like a spicy Friday night?

[Caball]

Eek by reading all this it seems it isn’t just the leaders of these guilds at each other’s throats, but members too! Will these entities ever come to an agreement? What raid rules will form out of this, if any? Who will get the rarest most sought after pixels?! Tune in next week to find out what happens on p99 blue!

[Nuggie]

Keep it going. In the mean time Kittens gets more loot. Cheers to Kittens stuffing their Mittens full of loot.

[xdrcfrx]

Keep it going. In the mean time Kittens gets more loot. Cheers to Kittens stuffing their Mittens full of loot.

3 for 3 on primals off ST golems!

[Naonak]

Saying to can kill something and never been able to or even attempt is another propaganda event.

[Naonak]

Who really wants rotation of targets?

I vote no, how un-classic is that. May as well get the whole server in the zone for the kill and GM random the loot to players cursors.

Riot and AG do not want that. Other smaller guilds, more than likely want that so they don't have to play more classic EQ. Just wait until your peak/prime time numbers are on and it's your turn for free pixels

[Detoxx]

Furs was a jackass and Tawanda was friends with Motec.. so that's a write off. Think Riot did ok.

Also COD halloween event is fun as fuck /thumbsup

Did ok? Went from free killing everything they want to losing most of the targets competed on the to getting indefinitely raid banned.

Yes, I cant stop playing! Got my Pumpkin Smasher

[BiG SiP]

ok uncle rico

[Ravager]

Who really wants rotation of targets?

I vote no, how un-classic is that. May as well get the whole server in the zone for the kill and GM random the loot to players cursors.

Riot and AG do not want that. Other smaller guilds, more than likely want that so they don't have to play more classic EQ. Just wait until your peak/prime time numbers are on and it's your turn for free pixels
Rotations were classic. Especially for old content. How many years of Velious now? Is logging in for the same five minutes of autoattack at the drop of a hat every week really so thrilling? Anyway you slice it you're logging in for free handouts of imaginary shit. Don't fool yourself.

[Akg49]

Did ok? Went from free killing everything they want to losing most of the targets competed on the to getting indefinitely raid banned.

Yes, I cant stop playing! Got my Pumpkin Smasher

I'm 1000% happy with this ban going on for another year. Let Kittens and the other smaller guilds have their fun. They deserve to enjoy p99. Keep all the toxic people out of the server, its about damn time, especially you! haha

[Terrok]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.

Letting another guild kill all the trash so you can leap frog them, isn't competition. Nor is training said guild when you failed to leap frog them. Dain and Kael are the only places that have been competitive, and that is just 4 people from each guild, not the guild as a whole. What happened to all the other guilds you Lead? you are delusional and i hope you seek help while you still have some time left.

[Vianna]

Letting another guild kill all the trash so you can leap frog them, isn't competition. Nor is training said guild when you failed to leap frog them. Dain and Kael are the only places that have been competitive, and that is just 4 people from each guild, not the guild as a whole. What happened to all the other guilds you Lead? you are delusional and i hope you seek help while you still have some time left.

Then don't kill trash. You had the biggest guild figure out how to do encounters better.

[Ghost of Starman]

If the neckbeards love competition so much, go play EVE online or another MMO built around it and stop holding the 80% of the server that just wants to experience the nostalgia of classic EQ hostage to your no life ways.

[Rang]

Imagine a server where you could take out your rage on other guilds by killing their characters directly even in raid zones. Oh, wait......

"EQ PVP sucks! Not a valid argument" translates to "I am too afraid of losing at EQ, that's why I non stop petition people when they make me mad!"

[Ripqozko]

Imagine a server where you could take out your rage on other guilds by killing their characters directly even in raid zones. Oh, wait......

"EQ PVP sucks! Not a valid argument" translates to "I am too afraid of losing at EQ, that's why I non stop petition people when they make me mad!"

Not even red players play red. Hope that helps.

[k9quaint]

Install CCTV in ToV.
Make Red into P99 Australia.
Get raid banned? Your character is transferred to Red for 2 months!
Cry wolf? Your character is transferred to Red for 2 months!

[Hrothgar]

Favorite thing about all this:

All these solutions require a social service that 1/1000 of you are actually donating money for. The rest are just freeloading examples of why we need government.

[saftbudet]

Yes we can

[Jimjam]

Imagine a server where you could take out your rage on other guilds by killing their characters directly even in raid zones. Oh, wait......

"EQ PVP sucks! Not a valid argument" translates to "I am too afraid of losing at EQ, that's why I non stop petition people when they make me mad!"

1) PVE isn’t much better... EQ shines at ‘Player with Player’.

2) Petitioning IS pvp.

[shuklak]

So we have multiple pvp servers already then. We need a new pve server it appears.

[Rang]

"Step back guys, I am an EQ playmaker. Dozens of online nerds know who I am..... but I am too afraid to PvP because I might lose and petitions can't do anything to fix that."

If these "playmakers" were as good at EQ as they claim to be, they would go to red server.

Red has had many periods of larger population - a lot of the old guard burned out and obviously new players are hesitant to join red bc if you are new to EQ I understand the hesitation.

But experienced players who claim to be "playmakers" in EQ (which is hilarious) have no excuse other than they are too afraid to lose (aka they are bad at EQ).

[azeth]

But experienced players who claim to be "playmakers" in EQ (which is hilarious) have no excuse other than they are too afraid to lose (aka they are bad at EQ).

Playmaker does not mean what you think it means.

Playmaker - The bard who suddenly runs from the group huddled together in a raid zone to kite away adds from the pull

Not a playmaker - Anyone who plays EQ PvP

[Terrok]

Then don't kill trash. You had the biggest guild figure out how to do encounters better.

Don't play the game as attended? The Dragons where rooted so people would have to clear, that's what the GM's want. Riot's 110 to ag/f 170 who are you saying is the biggest? Its like saying if you didn't want you car stolen you shouldn't of bought one people wanted to steal? smh

[Terrok]

Riot actually didn't clear trash one night waiting for ag/f to do something, and it turned into a 3 hours stand off.

[Terrok]

Go Play Guns of glory or Kings of Avalon, both of those game are all about waiting for someone to build up their castles and gather resources and then you go in and take it away from them. Sounds like the perfect game for you guys. The difference is, the game is built that way, So all parties know what to expect.

[saftbudet]

Is it something wrong with me?
This raid ban hardly upset me, in fact I am more happy for TSS Aegis and Kittens.

[saftbudet]

I guess this is also good news for green server. Perhaps I should dust off my mage there.

[k9quaint]

https://i.imgur.com/UiGtdKA.gif

[Gatordash]

Don't play the game as attended? The Dragons where rooted so people would have to clear, that's what the GM's want. Riot's 110 to ag/f 170 who are you saying is the biggest? Its like saying if you didn't want you car stolen you shouldn't of bought one people wanted to steal? smh

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[Tunabros]

Go Play Guns of glory or Kings of Avalon, both of those game are all about waiting for someone to build up their castles and gather resources and then you go in and take it away from them. Sounds like the perfect game for you guys. The difference is, the game is built that way, So all parties know what to expect.

those are the type of games where 90 percent of the player base are bots

and the game rewards you for being a mindless drone :confused::confused::confused::confused:

[Ruhtar]

At least Freedom was finally successful in something.

[Ay_1017]

FTE race everything and 3hrs lockout, problem solved

[BiG SiP]

https://i.imgur.com/UiGtdKA.gif