AG, Riot, Freedom raid suspended indefinitely

[kaizersoze]

Is it something wrong with me?
This raid ban hardly upset me, in fact I am more happy for TSS Aegis and Kittens.

[Magerin]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.

Now, ya see, Detoxx, this is what happens when you interrupt an angry monkey beating off. . .

However, just because no one is saying anything doesnt mean that what was going on for 9 months wasnt toxic. Riot had too much control. There shouldn't be the type of control there was on this server going on. Picking and choosing who gets to raid and who is banished from raiding is the very definition of toxic. That type of control kills a servers population.

[Magerin]

Yes, I cant stop playing! Got my Pumpkin Smasher


I got that shit day one. Dam and Super store took some effort thought. How bout you?

[Vynsticus]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJac8HBQ/

Detoxx and Furoar on this issue.

[Benisato]

Wow, what a sh!t show! I leave for a few weeks to relax at the beach and this is what I come back to?

The way to actually fix the raid scene is an easy concept, though I doubt server admins would want to put in the work to do it.

1. Use the "Guild Hall" mechanic to "Instance" ToV, VP, etc based on guild tag you get thrown in to that instance.
But have the instances linked so when Dragon A pops in Guild A's instance it also Pops in Guild B's instance, also when Dragon A dies in Guild A's instance it "Poofs" in Guild B's instance no matter if it is engaged or not.

2. Use the mechanic to restrict spells like no Levitation in said zone, to disable CoTH in ToV.

3. If you log out anywhere in ToV when you log back in you are back at the "Safe Spot" zone in to prevent camping forces at different engage spots.

4. Use the CT / Fear mechanic to "Repop" all "non raid" mobs in ToV when a Dragon spawns. Simultaneously send every character in the zone to the zone "Safe Spot".

5. Perma Root and allow Summon at 100% some of the mobs throughout ToV to prevent kiting / training.

This would force each guild to "Race" and clear from zone in to kill said Dragon, without training each other. Also forcing people to play the game as it was intended.. as a Dungeon Crawler.

You could also have a ToV that was non Instanced that allowed everyone into it, decided by which Spire you clicked on outside ToV.

This would prevent Leap Frogging, training, petitions and also allow guilds to do HoT whenever they wanted, but keep "competitive racing" alive.



Also if you behave like this.. perma ban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdeYLHQwQlo&feature=youtu.be

Boohoo you didn't get enough people to log in to kill the dragon, so you train the guild that did?

[shuklak]

Now, ya see, Detoxx, this is what happens when you interrupt an angry monkey beating off. . .

However, just because no one is saying anything doesnt mean that what was going on for 9 months wasnt toxic. Riot had too much control. There shouldn't be the type of control there was on this server going on. Picking and choosing who gets to raid and who is banished from raiding is the very definition of toxic. That type of control kills a servers population.

Counterpoint: Launching 2 new servers kills mature servers' populations.

[Domo]

maybe each of these guilds need to change their leaderboard.

I am pretty sure that most of the people among those 3 guilds coming along very well to each other.

[Solist]

maybe each of these guilds need to change their leaderboard.

I am pretty sure that most of the people among those 3 guilds coming along very well to each other.

I would normally agree with you, but I have a lot of friends in riot and some I've played with for 8+ years, others even longer but since retired.

Riot as a whole has this weird echo chamber to it, where it tells its members everything they do is above board, and everything else outside is evil/malicious etc. Reality is everyone is as dirty as each other (or as clean as each other). It's weird to have conversations daily now with people I know to be normal rational folks sucking the kool aid teet. For the most part in freedom it's been a lot less melodramatic and not seeded with misinformation.

The UN has gone amazingly quiet now it is public viewing. It's pretty funny to read through months and months of UN to see more often than not Detoxx (for all his past) is the reasonable one. Sadly not enough input from people who aren't emotional or irrational though.

[Nirgon]

Still going this hard on the beta server

[eezl]

hahaha detoxx is reasonable, thats a good one.

[Detoxx]

I got that shit day one. Dam and Super store took some effort thought. How bout you?

Dam was the worst, theres like no crates there and everyone loves dropping there for some reason. Other than that the rest were easy. I love the Grau, its nasty.

[Ravager]

Counterpoint: Launching 2 new servers kills mature servers' populations.
False.

[Zal22]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.

I think(know) that you suffer from brain damage

Serious question - if this project ever shuts down, how will you cope?

[Zemus]

I’m raid banned???.. Shit!

[Valakut]

https://i.imgur.com/BU46IoA.jpg

What everyone that got banned is really thinking..

[Magerin]

Seems like guilds currently unbanned are fielding some amazing number. I mean an 80+ Kitten raid? 50+ TSS? Server wide raids number in the 200s? I dont think many of people are actually raid banned. Their mains might be but not "All" of those guild members are on the right now ban list...lol. Love to see effort placed into tracking people from those 3 guilds and compare (what they can) against the currently unban guild list rosters.

[Lostfaction]

GM's are perfectly capable of confirming accounts with toons in multiple guilds or same IP's in multiple guilds and bringing down the hammer.... I recon it would pretty devastating to the overall server population.

[Detoxx]

I think(know) that you suffer from brain damage

Serious question - if this project ever shuts down, how will you cope?

I'll just continue to spend time with my kids, wife and family. Play some other games. I don't really play here that much outside of raiding but continue to presume!

[bktroost]

I'll just continue to spend time with my kids, wife and family. Play some other games. I don't really play here that much outside of raiding but continue to presume!

You were on TAKP for like a hot minute right?

[Baler]

You were on TAKP for like a hot minute right?

Do you play over there with the AG that broke off? :)

[Albanwr]

Still going this hard on the beta server

[Brocode]

how long till all can join kittens ?

[Fammaden]

All the Riot will be going Kittens to join their alts there. FR/AG will merge into TSS.

[Nuggie]

You were on TAKP for like a hot minute right?

Ahoy Mr. Mayor! Hope things are well for you.

[Nuggie]

All the Riot will be going Kittens to join their alts there. FR/AG will merge into TSS.

I'd thought the ban was for all characters. I'm not sure how enforceable that is though. Lots of legwork. Maybe ban a few dozen to keep the sheep in line?

[bktroost]

Do you play over there with the AG that broke off? :)

Yeah, I, Nemce, am guild leader over there. The real AG still lives. We got about 8 COTH mages parked around VT and do full VT clears every other cycle. There are two top guilds and we are one of them doing full VT clears.

That sweet, sweet necklace is on most of our necks!

https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/item.php?id=8364

[bktroost]

Ahoy Mr. Mayor! Hope things are well for you.

Heya Celelilly!

Yeah, things are going great! I haven't "taken over TAKP" as everyone thought i would. Honestly, I live my life there very much like some retired CEO would. No forum questing, going hard in the paint staring at spawn spots or any bad dealings with other guild leaders.

It is extremely civilized. The strats for clearing things are heavily guarded secrets between each guild and only certain guilds can achieve all the content as a result. Mechanics are the real enemy there. Luclin is a monster that we have tamed and are looking forward to PoP here pretty soon in 2021 or by the end of this year.

There is a concept of heal teams to stall out seven instantly spawning raid mobs on Emperor fights (think AoW on crack). And we use multiple bard kite mechanics to manage certain Vex Thal areas. The mechanics do weird things when you try to blitz Tunare with the zone up, so we came up with ways to clear PoG in two hours, including the Tunare fight.

Anyway, lots of fun is happening regularly and lots of content to come.

[Valakut]

. Mechanics are the real enemy there.

The staff killed that server for me. At one point they were crashing zones intentionally and then laughing about it on IRC. I've played on p99 for 10 years off and on and never experienced that level of intentional griefing.

[bktroost]

The staff killed that server for me. At one point they were crashing zones intentionally and then laughing about it on IRC. I've played on p99 for 10 years off and on and never experienced that level of intentional griefing.

Been on TAKP for 3 years now. Never had this experience or heard of such s thing from anyone else.

[feniin]

Been on TAKP for 3 years now. Never had this experience or heard of such s thing from anyone else.

TAKP is wonderfully drama free and NAG is a lovely bunch to raid with.

[Nuggie]

looking forward to PoP here pretty soon in 2021 or by the end of this year.




When you had first talked about TAKP I thought PoP was already a thing. I was unaware they were progressing through content like this. Interesting.

[bktroost]

The staff killed that server for me. At one point they were crashing zones intentionally and then laughing about it on IRC. I've played on p99 for 10 years off and on and never experienced that level of intentional griefing.

Been on TAKP for 3 years now. Never had this experience or heard of such s thing from anyone else.

[bktroost]

When you had first talked about TAKP I thought PoP was already a thing. I was unaware they were progressing through content like this. Interesting.

We've been in Luclin for a bit. Long enough for everyone in our guild to get just about all the Ancient spells they need. I imagine that we would still clear Emperor in PoP and Vex Thal, but probably not much else from Luclin.

[Mistle]

Most mains from the top two guilds have most of what they want by now. There's some holdouts. Emp robes for instance, IIRC there's only five (six maybe?) on the server. Bard cloak from Shei. Bad luck on some AHR drops means some people in popular classes might not have their mask or something yet.

Shouldn't give the wrong impression on PoP timeline though. There is no chance of it this year. Summer 2021 is a good guess. They're still testing t3 zones right now, then all the elemental zones, then Time. It's going to be a bit yet.

Takp is a fun server but the three box limit is always going to drive some people away. I dislike boxing myself. I bring two to raids but one is a bard that is only there to make sure I have Lceas. I much prefer to only play one character at a time. Some people are like that. Some prefer the challenge of playing three effectively. One worry that never came true was that trios would dominate content. It just never happened. Things like Lodizal are almost always around if you want it, and if you get unlucky and someone else did him or someone like him recently, he'll probably be there next time.

It's funny, when your goal is not to deprive other people of pixels, there just isn't very much drama.

However, I am VERY tired of Vex Thal. Luclin was a great expansion for character development (aas), but the raids (besides Emp and one or two others) are complete dogshit, and VT is the worst zone SOE ever made.

[bonhom]

Between the raid ban of the 3 biggest guild and Kunark opening soon on green can we talk how dead the blue server is? Just delete it already.

geez, now their all over the content that the rest of us poor schmucks play...thanks a lot.

[bktroost]

Mistletoe has the right of it. At this point Vex Thal is very similar to a series of AoW fights. Just corner things and kill them. Back in the day we would spend days of theory crafting and watching pathing and dying to trap mobs, trying to figure out Coth mage placements. The hardest thing in VT is not screwing up a "Hot CoTH". We are too well established at this point for VT to be a challenge.

[Neetas1320]

Its good to see that when I return that not a damn thing has changed. God bless yall<3

[Asteria]

I've seen sheep with more fight in them than this! :p

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[elkantor]

Freedom supports this. Let's grow the fuck up people.

ironic

[Asteria]

I've seen sheep with more fight in them than this! :p

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[Psyborg]

ironic

Nothing ironic about it. “Lets” includes Freedom. The entire raiding scene has some growing up to do.