Who started it?

[Albanwr]

Yendor gave you an idea on how to get what you want. Now you just change the subject into wanting something else, something that is not even in game.

You guys need more sleep, or a shrink.

[Nirgon]

He's talking tons of shit, who cares. Dude's a dumpster ranger lol.

[Kohedron]

nose pickers quibbling over game that has been played to completed thousands and thousands of times?

Who cares who started something pointless?

[Nirgon]

nose pickers quibbling over game that has been played to completed thousands and thousands of times?

Who cares who started something pointless?

exactly so why cant we have 1 little vote

we're the oldest guild in green history

[drackgon]

4th oldest guild. Think he said 1 little vote for FGs, heck Id say phinny as well. Vote all you want on FG/Phinny rules.

[gherron]

4th oldest guild. Think he said 1 little vote for FGs, heck Id say phinny as well. Vote all you want on FG/Phinny rules.

I keep seeing this claim that one guild is an alt guild of another. What exactly constitutes an "alt" guild? Is it:

a. if more than half the members of x guild have their mains in another guild?
b. core members/officers of x guild have mains in another guild?
c. guild leader of x has a main in another guild?

And further, if guild X is an "alt guild", is is a fair assumption that guild X would only do beneficial actions for their main guild?

[drackgon]

A.
And can be B as well. totally when thats half the guild:) Doesnt matter if your alt is on a 2nd account either /wink /wink

[gherron]

A.
And can be B as well. totally when thats half the guild:) Doesnt matter if your alt is on a 2nd account either /wink /wink

Hmmm ok, but is there any proof of it? Besides speculations, and pretty much rumors, nothing has been shown.

Also, I'm just curious why you wouldn't choose C since there have been guild leaders who would absolutely use a guild for selfish reasons.

[Woke Locc]

clarification request!

this vote thing is about who gets to kill fire giants every 8 hour period?

[Nirgon]

Think I'm just going to keep tagging along with the big dogs for major targets and holding down Tranix here and there with my A-Team bros. Legally of course!

Maybe brother Jack can convince me to reconsider joining the UN? Try to talk to him I guess. They burned their bridge with me being scummers.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Leave it to jack really. It's not up to me but my take on the UN is it's a one way track to rooted dragons. And personally I don't want to be affiliated with an elf organization that can and will vote enemies of the UN. It's not good.

[YendorLootmonkey]

*gets solution handed to them that meets all their needs*

*still wants to vote on content they admit doesn't concern them*

*would rather keep stirring shit*

Okay, just proved what you're really all about. Go back to Red.

[Nirgon]

*bends cheap shovel*
*discards it*

[Stickyfingers]

Galach already fed up with you guys and gave us a thumbs up in the UN channel vote. But you won't accept that. So soon enough you will just accept rooted dragons.

[drackgon]

I am pretty sure after what galach said last night. He's fed up with the drama caused by Fire giants. And rather the rotation go away with them. Since you know people can't be adults.

Rooted dragons is fun, don't know what the issue is. Oh noes have to zerg mob in lair(compared to zerg at ZL or few rooms over). Green inst classic, if classic is what you want. Go make your own private server. This is not ours, were just tourist.

Much like Yendor said. Its all about the forum quest that brings them fun. Red is dead though. So Yendor just sit back and enjoy their tears. My Sig says it all:)

[Phaezed-Reality]

*gets solution handed to them that meets all their needs*

*still wants to vote on content they admit doesn't concern them*

*would rather keep stirring shit*

Okay, just proved what you're really all about. Go back to Red.


*bends ramals words to fit deranged narrative *

*comes up with solution to narrative*

*totally doesn't understand "doing what we wanted" doesn't mean just tranix*

*claims victory*

*makes post claiming dmo doesn't want to play nice*

*is still fucking retarded*

[YendorLootmonkey]

Galach already fed up with you guys and gave us a thumbs up in the UN channel vote. But you won't accept that. So soon enough you will just accept rooted dragons.

Well it would be a shame if Galach got manipulated/played by a bunch of proven shit-stirrers before he reads this thread where you were handed a solution that meets all your needs, and still didn't accept it because it would effectively stop you from stirring shit on everyone else putting effort into working together.

To re-iterate:

1) A guild who has claimed in this very thread that they are only interested in doing FGs as raid content does not need a vote on proposals pertaining to content outside of FGs.

2) A slot in the rotation and voting rights on proposals that only concern FGs should therefore meet all your needs.

3) A guild who only fields 2-3 tag-along players to the 7-day targets, as admitted to by DMO in this thread, should not require a vote in serverwide raid politics.

DMO is too busy patting themselves on the back and spinning their own propaganda to realize how hard they dunked themselves in this thread.

[Phaezed-Reality]

go play in the street.

[YendorLootmonkey]

go play in the street.

LOL where's all that fancy rhetoric and propaganda now that a 65 WIS ranger singlehandedly and successfully called out your entire 200 INT organization using nothing but your own claims against you?

[drackgon]

Man /popcorn. Yendor got me spitting out my drink 2 hard to sip.

HiGh InT WhAz YoU SpEaKiN BoUT

[Phaezed-Reality]

anyone who reads thread will see that you took what i said and bent it, anyone who wants to believe what you bent it too will see that. You arn't clever.... the whole server is watching.

[drackgon]

"3) A guild who only fields 2-3 tag-along players to the 7-day targets, as admitted to by DMO in this thread, should not require a vote in serverwide raid politics."

But but how can we continue the red campaign If we don't have a say with what goes on in 7 day raids! This is America mommy says I matter 2 and I r special! I should get my award and cake for showing up!

[YendorLootmonkey]

Well, since after all, you are a role-playing guild, here you go:

The Shoveler looked towards his Shovel of Justice, the very weapon that he had used to personally dispatch the forces of evil and discord for ages, a beacon of light for all of those suffering in darkness, for some sort of guidance to supplement his mere 65 points of Wisdom. For the legendary shovel was not only a deadly instrument of death in the skilled hands of The Shoveler, but was also imbued with an estimated 512 WIS and 472 INT by the Ancients long before Norrath had been influenced by elvenkind. It glowed with eternal knowledge and pervasive truth.

Through the connection between weapon and wielder, much like a Jedi and his light saber, he called upon the spirit of William H. Macy himself, the original Shoveler, for enlightenment on how to best deal with the threat to peace that the Dark Men of Odus had been easily and expertly revealed to be. This revelation of their true nature, despite all of their vile subversion and dark manipulation, deeply rooted in the very foundations of the Red dimension from whence they had been ejaculated forth into this reality, was of great concern to the Shovel of Justice.

And so The Shoveler awaited the detailed and illuminating response on how to proceed with his personal crusade.

.
.
.

Finally, the legendary weapon responded, taking into account the sum total of all knowledge, truth, and ancient intellect throughout the entire course of Norrathian history.

.
.
.

BEHOLD, THE SHOVEL OF JUSTICE AND ITS ULTIMATE 4-WORD INSIGHT:

https://i.imgur.com/BUMEh81.jpg

[billcrystals]

anyone who reads thread will see that you took what i said and bent it, anyone who wants to believe what you bent it too will see that. You arn't clever.... the whole server is watching.

Hi, hello, outsider perspective here from someone who started playing P99 about 2 months ago. Anyone reading this thread is going to think DMoO is a group of literal children (unsuccessfully) trying to troll the server.

[drackgon]

But but "the whole server is watching"!!!!! Its forums only like 20% of population if that?

Billy crystal <3

[Baler]

drackgon your signature sucks

[drackgon]

Ty Baler I jUsT LoVe To Rp!1!1!

[Baler]

These damn Odus men have brought their dark ways to Antonica and ruined the land of the Giants!

DMOKilledHillGiants

Spread the word!

lol

[drackgon]

At LeAsT ThEy CaN dO HiLlGiAnTs!1!1
CaNt SoLo DrAgOnS!1!1!

[Baler]

At LeAsT ThEy CaN dO HiLlGiAnTs!1!1
CaNt SoLo DrAgOnS!1!1!

I know who this is now. :rolleyes:

[drackgon]

Umm, my sig showed my Character names forever:)

[Baler]

that's not the identity I'm referring to :eek:

[Nirgon]

1) A guild who has claimed in this very thread that they are only interested in doing FGs as raid content does not need a vote on proposals pertaining to content outside of FGs.


We raid major targets with another guild for content just like you do and win. Believe me, it's way more than just fire giants. That's why you're refusing a vote. It due to tremendous ass hurt because of our alliance. Everyone knows it. You can say otherwise, and make something up then claim victory because a few other unhinged people will say so too but its the truth.


2) A slot in the rotation and voting rights on proposals that only concern FGs should therefore meet all your needs.

Many of the other guilds dont show up for their slots and are less skilled than us. How do you think we keep getting tranix? We're the oldest guild in green history, the first guild on the beta. The UN has separated concept of voting from mobs. We didn't do that, you did. We request a vote for balance in things, seeing as how there are certain guilds that never vote differently from each other (which can be proved). Your guild is one of those guilds!


3) A guild who only fields 2-3 tag-along players to the 7-day targets, as admitted to by DMO in this thread, should not require a vote in serverwide raid politics.


Wrong, we only say if you feel like coming to come and we have the camp handled.


DMO is too busy patting themselves on the back and spinning their own propaganda to realize how hard they dunked themselves in this thread.

As far as you declaring who is dunking who, like what have you gained or won at all? I'm enjoying win after win with my #1 new EQ pals. We are enjoying a tremendous amount of success along with legally camping the current most valuable small man mob in the game as much as we want. I cannot imagine running a 120+ crew in classic just to vote stack and corrupt a player created organization. That is real embarrassing. Velious? Sure.

One lie after another is being exposed and the low base INT scummery being resorted to is fully on display. Ya'll should be embarrassed. I'd love to see you run a strict RP charter like this and win anything, you wouldn't.

[Nirgon]

drackgon your signature sucks

I love seeing him reply to other threads and with his unhinged sig :D

[drackgon]

gotta rep:)

[Nirgon]

oh no, please continue

I love it

[Baler]

These god damn Odus men ruined hill giants!

Don't let these millennials ruin ice giants next!

[Evets]

You run raids with another guild which more or less is charity by said guild (or said guild has a lot of alt characters in your guild who knows for sure?) ... so you deserve to vote on the fate of fully functional raid guild decisions because you tag along?

Wouldn't that just be a double vote for said guild if they allowed it? maybe why the guilds decided the way they did.... food for thought

[Nirgon]

We're not the ones getting dragons rooted and have zero presence at hill giants. You know? Or honey potting staff. Look atcha.

Funny how they separate mobs and voting, then brings mobs back in again... and we're doing the same thing as them by jointly raiding lol.

Revelation of agenda by hypocrisy, my favorite.

[drackgon]

Man when green gets dragons rooted. Will be true rejoice all over the land. Cant wait for that day

[Lostfaction]

We're the oldest guild in green history.

[Nirgon]

1st guild on green beta, confirmed. The oldest in the server's history.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/xAPadLJ.gif

[YendorLootmonkey]

Id make a concious effort to make every DMO raid though, which is what I do when we hold Tranix.

We raid major targets with another guild for content just like you do and win. Believe me, it's way more than just fire giants.

alot of DMO does not raid with ST, there is like 3 of us that do.

I like how they completely twist my words repeatedly to fit their twisted narrative. I said we are doing what we always wanted to do. And they think that's trolling. No, we petitioned to join the UN so we could do tranix. We are now doing tranix.

I know it's difficult because all you do is troll and spew propaganda so it's hard to keep track of which of your buddies said what so you can go backtrack, but can you guys please at least get your stories straight?

Again: Three people tagging along on <Seal Team> raids does not earn you full voting rights in all matters concerning raid content on the server any more than three <Light Women of Faydwer> tag-alongs on a <Kingdom> raid on Nagafen would give them full voting rights on all matters concerning all raid content on the server. Anyone here with at least 30 INT can see that. What high INT mental gymnastics can you perform to show otherwise?

[Lostfaction]

DMO has been very non-influential

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/3Flduuh.gif

[Shaquilleos]

I know it's difficult because all you do is troll and spew propaganda so it's hard to keep track of which of your buddies said what so you can go backtrack, but can you guys please at least get your stories straight?

Again: Three people tagging along on <Seal Team> raids does not earn you full voting rights in all matters concerning raid content on the server any more than three <Light Women of Faydwer> tag-alongs on a <Kingdom> raid on Nagafen would give them full voting rights on all matters concerning all raid content on the server. Anyone here with at least 30 INT can see that. What high INT mental gymnastics can you perform to show otherwise?

Oof used to think you had it together. Crumbling in here. Look what I can do: Black Lotus and Venerate et. al tagging along with Kingdom does not earn you full voting rights in all matters concerning content on the server. Cant wait to see Black Lotus competing against Kingdom and Venerate this weekend. Right? You’re all independent can kill your own targets and deserve unique vote right?

In reality, you have cherry picked and highlighted much out of context. It has been clearly communicated we want all rotational content slots and a vote or nothing. Can you tell me what gets voted on in the UN and why that is a problem? Is that because playing fair and by the rules doesnt work in your favor? Double PhDs got you on your knees with checks and balances.

Why isn't a problem that a 3-guild alliance has 3-unique votes, but Seal Team’s ally should not be allowed a unique vote? Yep we’re the gas lighters in this situation. LOL! I bet you ignore that. The problem is its a majority vote system and you lose so much you are straight spooked by DMO’s ascension. We have you so immersed your frothing in defense of toxicity and gatekeeping.

One thing we will not tolerate is this absolute disrespect for our guild mates who do not raid with Seal Team. We are more capable on our own than several standing UN guilds who have voting rights and skip their rotation slots.

Oh and can you describe what its like wiping at Phinny? Never done it b4 but heard you have experience as a guild.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/m3RtlZ5.gif

[Nirgon]

Ok go make <Light Women of Faydwer> and do it big like us.

I honestly hope you do. I am trying to promote RP chartered guilds working together rather than trendy_named_raid_zerg_02 being the choices for guilds here.

[ClephNote]

What guild is Yendor in? What has his guild killed that DMO hasn't?

Honest question!

[Nirgon]

Honestly since we brought up voting, I'll extrapolate on my previous statement.

I think its much better for guilds to be split up, fairly independent crews working together and each with a vote. More diverse guilds with at least an attempt at an RP themed charter is great for the overall feel of the server. The game used to be like that.

However, there aren't as many as you think that are willing to put in all the effort and organization of even maintaining a discord server with permissions. I'd much rather there were more independently thinking guilds, each with a vote, than 2 mega guilds.

You will notice I never included Seal Team in any of our Tranix kills and they never had a meltdown about us playing by the rules. I don't have a crown, Snewp does and the rest who have them don't show up hardcore for every raid day (or ever at all for major targets). Seal Team was well within their rights to be like hey, you're taking Tranixes for fairly inactive players, we're supposed to be allies and you're "taking our shit". But they didn't. They realized we're a non UN guild (not by choice) and playing by the server rules and that was that.

So what happened? The 2 mega guilds had it out, things start to go a certain way. The second mega guild getting less mobs begins a mob rule campaign against the other. Now we have all this.

Who the hell cares about most of these dragon loots now? Most of em were weak to begin with and now the clickable ones are 1/100th their previous usefulness. So you've basically boiled it down to wild accusation flinging over next to useless shit (bard cant even proc tash orb and stack it with enchanter tash here) minus the dragon haste items, and the raid mobs die in under a minute anyways with or without them.

Is your time and energy better spent flinging accusations and spamming the staff over every loss without hard evidence? Or is it better to focus on optimizing your raid forces, making/playing alts together (for actual team building) and stacking BIS planar gear and being happy with that. I think you may realize now which matters much more especially in the long run. This obsessive focus on the top 1% of pixels, that aren't even a big deal (esp not anymore since the non classic nerfs) is nuts and a true sign of dragon sickness. Snap out of it, enjoy leveling some alts and actually playing the other 99% of the game. DMO has incredible member cohesion, we are very tight knit, know each other well and love succeeding together. It's a far cry from logging into some faceless blob of people who share your tags that you barely talk to or know at all.


(I was referring to "dumpster rangers" in general when referring to Yendor, not that he's a terrible player or anything and want to clarify that statement)

One more time, now that we've all vented, let's be pals.

[gherron]

Oof used to think you had it together. Crumbling in here. Look what I can do: Black Lotus and Venerate et. al tagging along with Kingdom does not earn you full voting rights in all matters concerning content on the server. Cant wait to see Black Lotus competing against Kingdom and Venerate this weekend. Right? You’re all independent can kill your own targets and deserve unique vote right?

In reality, you have cherry picked and highlighted much out of context. It has been clearly communicated we want all rotational content slots and a vote or nothing. Can you tell me what gets voted on in the UN and why that is a problem? Is that because playing fair and by the rules doesnt work in your favor? Double PhDs got you on your knees with checks and balances.

Why isn't a problem that a 3-guild alliance has 3-unique votes, but Seal Team’s ally should not be allowed a unique vote? Yep we’re the gas lighters in this situation. LOL! I bet you ignore that. The problem is its a majority vote system and you lose so much you are straight spooked by DMO’s ascension. We have you so immersed your frothing in defense of toxicity and gatekeeping.

One thing we will not tolerate is this absolute disrespect for our guild mates who do not raid with Seal Team. We are more capable on our own than several standing UN guilds who have voting rights and skip their rotation slots.

Oh and can you describe what its like wiping at Phinny? Never done it b4 but heard you have experience as a guild.


Aren't those guilds you listed pretty huge? I mean, it's not like only 3 members of them go to raids with the bigger guild though. It would be pretty messed up if that were the case. I think you're comparing apples to oranges here, don't blame you for trying to push your agenda though.

[Phaezed-Reality]

3 members raid within the ST alliance, the other 20 don't. Don't let the propaganda fool you. they keep twisting our words and fitting them into their narrative that makes them look like not the bad guys.

[SloydsKnife]

You will notice I never included Seal Team in any of our Tranix kills and they never had a meltdown about us playing by the rules. I don't have a crown, Snewp does and the rest who have them don't show up hardcore for every raid day (or ever at all for major targets). Seal Team was well within their rights to be like hey, you're taking Tranixes for fairly inactive players, we're supposed to be allies and you're "taking our shit". But they didn't. They realized we're a non UN guild (not by choice) and playing by the server rules and that was that.

Or maaaybe ST has been pushing for you guys to be their 2nd vote and their willing to put up with your shit a bit because it pays off for them down the line? Also the reason you shit on Yendor's 'moo should get to vote on FG related things' proposal.

Also, you know, having some alts get Tranix crowns doesn't hurt em either right?

Is your time and energy better spent flinging accusations and spamming the staff over every loss without hard evidence? Or is it better to focus on optimizing your raid forces, making/playing alts together (for actual team building) and stacking BIS planar gear and being happy with that. I think you may realize now which matters much more especially in the long run. This obsessive focus on the top 1% of pixels, that aren't even a big deal (esp not anymore since the non classic nerfs) is nuts and a true sign of dragon sickness. Snap out of it, enjoy leveling some alts and actually playing the other 99% of the game. DMO has incredible member cohesion, we are very tight knit, know each other well and love succeeding together. It's a far cry from logging into some faceless blob of people who share your tags that you barely talk to or know at all.

I mean people level alts and get to know each other in big guilds too. Yeah it's a bit 'clicky' but people do things together, people farm loot together, people do QM spawns together etc. We organize lists for the OOT AC for the community, do naked Gnome Races, drunken brawls and races together.

We do know each other, you just don't know us. We are a big nameless faceless blob TO YOU.

And yeah members of these big guilds do want loot. So what? Was there not a time in your EQ career when you wanted drops? There are a good number of people who came back after years gone and they wanna kill dragons. There are people who want to learn how to raid lead and manage 60+ people on an engagement. There are people that wanna look into game mechanics and pour over the wayback machine to make bug reports, or make bots and APIs to make raid leading smoother. There are people that wanna research things and update the wiki. There are altaholics and a ton of other people doing tons of other things.

People in these big guilds are getting something out of being in them. It may not be what you look to get out of EQ but it is equally valid. We have a bigger community and so on the broad sense, less tight nit but person to person there are connections. There are perhaps some 'cliques' involved but you can learn from all these people because there is an expert at a lot of things.

So yeah, big guilds offer shit too. Yes small guild offer something else. That's fine. Don't disparage people for wanting to get loot and kill dragons. Why not?

Yeah there are some issues with the raid scene but I don't see you guys fixing them. I see you guys stirring shit and helping ST vie for position so they can pass certain legislation because ST is just as loot hungry as everyone else, but they're your BFFs so it doesn't really matter now does it?

As an aside, this was one of the more cogent rants I've seen out of you guys, so props I guess?

[beep_bop_fembot]

Honestly since we brought up voting, I'll extrapolate on my previous statement.

I think its much better for guilds to be split up, fairly independent crews working together and each with a vote. More diverse guilds with at least an attempt at an RP themed charter is great for the overall feel of the server. The game used to be like that.

However, there aren't as many as you think that are willing to put in all the effort and organization of even maintaining a discord server with permissions. I'd much rather there were more independently thinking guilds, each with a vote, than 2 mega guilds.

You will notice I never included Seal Team in any of our Tranix kills and they never had a meltdown about us playing by the rules. I don't have a crown, Snewp does and the rest who have them don't show up hardcore for every raid day (or ever at all for major targets). Seal Team was well within their rights to be like hey, you're taking Tranixes for fairly inactive players, we're supposed to be allies and you're "taking our shit". But they didn't. They realized we're a non UN guild (not by choice) and playing by the server rules and that was that.

So what happened? The 2 mega guilds had it out, things start to go a certain way. The second mega guild getting less mobs begins a mob rule campaign against the other. Now we have all this.

Who the hell cares about most of these dragon loots now? Most of em were weak to begin with and now the clickable ones are 1/100th their previous usefulness. So you've basically boiled it down to wild accusation flinging over next to useless shit (bard cant even proc tash orb and stack it with enchanter tash here) minus the dragon haste items, and the raid mobs die in under a minute anyways with or without them.

Is your time and energy better spent flinging accusations and spamming the staff over every loss without hard evidence? Or is it better to focus on optimizing your raid forces, making/playing alts together (for actual team building) and stacking BIS planar gear and being happy with that. I think you may realize now which matters much more especially in the long run. This obsessive focus on the top 1% of pixels, that aren't even a big deal (esp not anymore since the non classic nerfs) is nuts and a true sign of dragon sickness. Snap out of it, enjoy leveling some alts and actually playing the other 99% of the game. DMO has incredible member cohesion, we are very tight knit, know each other well and love succeeding together. It's a far cry from logging into some faceless blob of people who share your tags that you barely talk to or know at all.


(I was referring to "dumpster rangers" in general when referring to Yendor, not that he's a terrible player or anything and want to clarify that statement)

One more time, now that we've all vented, let's be pals.

You're a small time, tight knit, guild that wants a vote like the big guilds so you caused controversy and went out of your way to make people angry over "FGs". I get that everyone is cooped up because of the coronavirus and of course it's fun to cause drama on a game where you've done everything a million times over though. This is the probably the closest thing to PVPing on Red.

Also, isn't your main that monk in Seal Team?

[Lostfaction]

LOL the first thing DMO/ST bring to vote... this is all about giving ST another vote to gain a competitive advantage and hinder their competition. This has nothing to do with DMO or small guilds. DMO does not give a shit about small guilds or their non-raiding members. Only trolling and giving their mains in ST.

[Stickyfingers]

Despite all of the negativity in this thread. I genuinely want to thank Black Lotus, Venerate, CI, FoH, Lineage, Akatasuki, and Seal Team for their magnanimity in this saga. Many of you whom could potentially be labeled as enemies at times, now have a spot in my left ventricle as a friend of DMO and Erudin as well. While the path to kinship may be wrought with terror, above all we conquer our fears with a genuine respect for each other as fellows of this Norrathian world. Father Erud shines about us all.

[Stickyfingers]

Id now like to close this thread, with a reading of the Catechism of Erud

1. Be a servant of life; be beneficial to others.

2. Witness the example set by others and always strive to do better.

3. Live as not to offend the god you serve.

4. Live practically and productively, as if you were to live 1,000 years AND as if you were to die tomorrow.

5. Value logic over passion; but do not dismiss passion.

6. Do not judge your neighbor harshly for a transgression, as everyone's path is different and worthy of understanding. Rather, confront him and find the peace between you.

7. Occupy yourself with learning and beneficial trades in time of peace.

8. Occupy yourself with defending the city in time of war.

9. Strive for a pleasant balance between yourself, others, and the gods who influence the world.

10. Right what wrongs you see before you.

11. Confront the wicked, the weak, and the uninformed.

12. Spare no energy to correct a mistake.

13. Know all there is to know. Learn all there is to learn. Teach all there is to teach.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/LCxSKRT.jpg

[aaezil]

So what ive gathered so far is an alt guild of sealteam wants another vote on deciding how many pixels they get? Truly sad and seek help if true.

[drackgon]

DMO was voted in last night:) Which means every micro alt guild should now be allowed a vote. Can't wait to see the trolling coming this weekend, I am going to be laughing hard this weekend.

[Evets]

I'd like to register my alt barb rp guild The White Crackers Of Halas ill be tagging along and voting for the whole un because me and my friend can duo some raid content alone. I expect to be voted in next meeting or else!

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/G1ZfEoZ.jpg

[DMN]

DMO was voted in last night:) Which means every micro alt guild should now be allowed a vote. Can't wait to see the trolling coming this weekend, I am going to be laughing hard this weekend.

I'd like to register my alt barb rp guild The White Crackers Of Halas ill be tagging along and voting for the whole un because me and my friend can duo some raid content alone. I expect to be voted in next meeting or else!

https://imgur.com/r/asiangirlsbeingcute/EnIGUnJ

[DMN]

https://i.imgur.com/EnIGUnJ.gif?1

[Nirgon]

I would like to see your band of ruffian north men slay Phinigel and the fire giants alone.

We are not an alt guild or any of these other lies that are peddled by jealous, non RP chartered guilds.

We will be hosting server wide open Erudite (women too) only raids.

[bbsmitz]

We are not an alt guild or any of these other lies that are peddled by jealous, non RP chartered guilds.

Didn't ST themselves say this though when the UN was first formed and the 8 hour slots were first being allocated? I haven't seen this addressed. Until it does I think alt-guild accusations are going to dog you guys, particularly if you have a Monk in ST. I also understand that one of the guides (menden was it?) has stated you're separate from ST which gives a decent basis for having your own representation in the UN, but to bring things full circle, that is a separate issue from what started this whole shit-show, which seems to be ST labeling you an alt-guild.

[Nirgon]

None of us have a monk in ST. This thread can be moved to resolved. I appreciate everyone's opinion.

[bbsmitz]

None of us have a monk in ST. This thread can be moved to resolved. I appreciate everyone's opinion.

Consider my post amended but you still have failed to answer the question of why ST said you guys are an alt-guild.

[winter888]

Yea, your goal has achieved. so you prefer the shity fact sinking in the forum as fast as possible. We got it.

But no, every time you vote for ST helping them get more of pixel ,and ruining the community, this post will be pumped up again with news of your drama. to show everyone what a bouch of neckbeard can do like this.

You should change ur guild name to Drama teaM of Odus.

[ClephNote]

htf has ST or DMO "ruined the community"? Or is this rnf and it's just troll talk? The PR campaign of hearsay and just flat out stupid is mindboggling.

Did I get trolled? I think I've been trolled...

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/1RfrUgO.gif

[Albanwr]

htf has ST or DMO "ruined the community"? Or is this rnf and it's just troll talk? The PR campaign of hearsay and just flat out stupid is mindboggling.

Did I get trolled? I think I've been trolled...

this whole thread is a troll. What is wrong with you lol.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Oof used to think you had it together. Crumbling in here. Look what I can do: Black Lotus and Venerate et. al tagging along with Kingdom does not earn you full voting rights in all matters concerning content on the server. Cant wait to see Black Lotus competing against Kingdom and Venerate this weekend. Right? You’re all independent can kill your own targets and deserve unique vote right?


I assure you I have it together. Please answer the following to show that you still do:

DMO has admitted in this thread several times that consistently sending 2-3 players along with Seal Team is the extent of their participation. Have you honestly convinced yourselves that this is even remotely in the same league as 20-30 Black Lotus or Venerate consistently participating on 7-day targets within an alliance of guilds that share the spoils for the increased probability of FTE?

At any rate, I suppose the point is moot since I should be welcoming you into the UN, where I hope you use the opportunity to do good.

I realize you feel very strongly about your guild, its members, and their interests, as do the rest of the guilds that play on the server. Surely there are enough of us that don't want Green devolving into the toxicity that Blue became over the years where we don't have to live through that again.

Thank you in advance for helping to work together within the UN to help make this server a better place and a fun environment for players interested in raiding. I apologize to anyone I may have offended by any of my statements or opinions in this thread.

[YendorLootmonkey]

(I was referring to "dumpster rangers" in general when referring to Yendor, not that he's a terrible player or anything and want to clarify that statement

No, you were right... I'm a shitty ranger. :D

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/gIVCV3Y.jpg

[Hyjalx]

No top guild has ever joined a UN full of neckbeards to "share" in game content.

The real winners? Whoever convinced ST to join this insanity.

This is likely the only thing keeping any of these guilds relevant whatsoever, including DMO's position to cause drama.

Kill the UN, and watch these threads disappear. Ya'll shot yourselves by doing this, and yall deserve everything ya get.

[bbsmitz]

No top guild has ever joined a UN full of neckbeards to "share" in game content.

The real winners? Whoever convinced ST to join this insanity.

This is likely the only thing keeping any of these guilds relevant whatsoever, including DMO's position to cause drama.

Kill the UN, and watch these threads disappear. Ya'll shot yourselves by doing this, and yall deserve everything ya get.

I assume ST is staying in the UN because there is some benefit to them?

[Hyjalx]

You're right. There is a benefit for ST.

They lack leadership and this covers it.

Enjoy the UN while it lasts.

[ClephNote]

Have you honestly convinced yourselves that this is even remotely in the same league as 20-30 Black Lotus or Venerate consistently participating on 7-day targets within an alliance of guilds that share the spoils for the increased probability of FTE?

Have you honestly convinced yourself that a guild with a UN vote and rotation slot that can't compete individually and has to ally with 20-30 members of another guild (as well as multiple other UN guilds, each getting individual, competition free rotation slots and UN votes as well) against Seal Team on 7-day targets is in the same league as 3 people, max, raiding with a guild of... actual friends?

Seal Team founded the UN. Seal Team founded monthly open raids.

But, we could fix this: Blow up the UN and open raids.

Would that make you feel better? Cuz the current model of you having your cake, eating it, crying about it, hating us and trying to make us look like we're the bad guys is tiresome.

[ClephNote]

I assume ST is staying in the UN because there is some benefit to them?

I wasn't a member when it was formed, but I believe the spirit was to improve inter-guild relationships, reduce conflict and GM interventions, improve the unfounded bad rep ST had at the time and to be good server citizens. You see how that went..... and this is why the Sleeper is woken on every server. Y'all can't have nice things.

[Hyjalx]

I say go for it, but I'd bet ya'll already too conformed to the new norm. Plus, isn't your guild leader more concerned about WoW Classic?

[Hyjalx]

All I hear is talk. Any "real" guild doesn't form a UN to share the server. That is a cop out for the lack of true drive. I'd be shocked if you guys make it to Kunark.

[ClephNote]

Simmer down, Lord Bob. Are you even 50, yet?

Seal Team is a great guild of great people. We’ll be fine.

[Hyjalx]

Too busy leveling alts to be more efficient in giving you hell.

Ya'll are weak, and everyone knows it. All you guys are doing is leaving the door open for someone hungrier than you for Kunark.

[Hyjalx]

ST =BDA

[ClephNote]

Well, at least we can agree that being the biggest kid in class isn’t a crime and trying to be nice and inclusive backfired.

We tried!

For what it’s worth, Hyjal does want the UN to fail. That would be better than winning a target. Cuz he won’t. Current state, he’d be farming non-named Fire Giants for spell components and guardians for belts.

[ClephNote]

Wait, DOES want the UN to fail.

[ClephNote]

NM, said it right the first time. Sorry, English is my first language.

[Hyjalx]

Keep propping up other guilds and allowing them to grow. You will reap what you sow on Kunark release.

[Donkey Hotay]

The salt in this thread aside; Lulz has a fluency in memery that boggles the mind. This guy is an adept!

[Canelek]

Lol tough elf talk up in here.

[Jack N]

Brother Acarer, I don't believe you are understanding the dynamic. If you think ST's cooperation with offering away some content is weakness versus the other guilds, you are mistaken. From my perception, it is simply ST playing nice with the staff and the server to try to ward off Rogean from coming in and doing something crazy.

[Nirgon]

The UN has gained our support against this "Lord Bob" we keep hearing about.

See you out there.

[gherron]

DMO was voted in last night:) Which means every micro alt guild should now be allowed a vote. Can't wait to see the trolling coming this weekend, I am going to be laughing hard this weekend.

voted in with full voting rights, or voted in under Yendor's suggestions of them having a vote about the stuff they raid?

if it's the former, then the UN is full of some pussies lol.

[bbsmitz]

voted in with full voting rights, or voted in under Yendor's suggestions of them having a vote about the stuff they raid?

if it's the former, then the UN is full of some pussies lol.

I think they just solo cleared Phinny. Maybe that's why?

Also, still waiting for someone to give me a reasonable explanation of why ST initially said DMO was an alt-guild.

[Nirgon]

He said when we're raiding, treat us as the same guild like as a raid force.

We also said starting from when we made the agreement we'd put our non Erudite alts in Seal Team, so there wouldn't be spying/conflict of interest problems.

No one, ever said "DMO is our alt guild". I've never met any of the ST core guys before this server, didnt roll up with them etc.

Shakin' my damn head. Who wants some Kedge lord sushi?

[Jack N]

Also, still waiting for someone to give me a reasonable explanation of why ST initially said DMO was an alt-guild.

It's really critical this guy understands.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/me7Og5G.jpg

[bbsmitz]

No one, ever said "DMO is our alt guild". I've never met any of the ST core guys before this server, didnt roll up with them etc.

This is all I ever wanted.

It's really critical this guy understands.

Glad your high int brain is on the same page as mine.

[Jack N]

Are you aware the server staff was griefed into proving via evidence that our brothers are not in fact ST alts?

[bbsmitz]

Are you aware the server staff was griefed into proving via evidence that our brothers are not in fact ST alts?

I am aware one of the guides (Menden I believe?) said that you guys are not an ST alt-guild. What I wanted to understand is why Seal Team would say in the first place that you guys were to be treated as an alt-guild of ST. Now Nirgon has clearly said that that interpretation of what ST said is incorrect.

[Jack N]

I'm glad you're working through this all.

[bbsmitz]

I'm glad you're working through this all.

Thanks. I'll let you know if there's anything else you can do.

[Nirgon]

Now consider who insisted and pushed this lie (knowingly), causing people to rage to the staff about injustice and cause all kinds of headache. There ya go.

[ChooChoo Train]

We also said starting from when we made the agreement we'd put our non Erudite alts in Seal Team, so there wouldn't be spying/conflict of interest problems.

Yea this surely won’t lead to any biased voting... down the road if either DMO or Sealteam eats a raid ban you definitely won’t be logging on the other to raid either - Lol. Grats on another 3man mob kill! Do phinny + 4 guardians at once And I’ll be impressed otherwise /yawn

[Phaezed-Reality]

Yea this surely won’t lead to any biased voting... down the road if either DMO or Sealteam eats a raid ban you definitely won’t be logging on the other to raid either - Lol. Grats on another 3man mob kill! Do phinny + 4 guardians at once And I’ll be impressed otherwise /yawn

same for your guild, record it. love to see it.

[Evets]

Yea this surely won’t lead to any biased voting... down the road if either DMO or Sealteam eats a raid ban you definitely won’t be logging on the other to raid either - Lol. Grats on another 3man mob kill! Do phinny + 4 guardians at once And I’ll be impressed otherwise /yawn

Lol so proud of killing phinny ... one group content that the other un guilds have been killing for months... good job!

[ChooChoo Train]

same for your guild, record it. love to see it.

Already been done multiple times.

[gundumbwing]

He said when we're raiding, treat us as the same guild like as a raid force.

We also said starting from when we made the agreement we'd put our non Erudite alts in Seal Team, so there wouldn't be spying/conflict of interest problems.

No one, ever said "DMO is our alt guild". I've never met any of the ST core guys before this server, didnt roll up with them etc.

Shakin' my damn head. Who wants some Kedge lord sushi?

Lol... shakin my head is indeed the right phrase for how this ended. Well played

I'll enjoy watching the guaranteed shitshow that will come to the raid scene esp when kunark drops and you have much more chances each week for scummery.

[drackgon]

Pretty sure Menden said he checked which accounts have a toon in both guilds. Raise hands how many have 2nd mains on second account:) Bc you know NO one does that<(^_^)>

[Donkey Hotay]

How long are you planning to keep babby's first meme as your sig now that every dissenter in this thread has proven to be a non-factor in how this played out. Powerless. UNinfluential. Laughingstock.

[Nirgon]

It's over, everybody calm down

[ChooChoo Train]

First week in and DMO player Ramal stays bound at Tranix for Naggy Engage lol. For claiming to be such High Int this was surely not a smart move.

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/b0xZvYH.png

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/m7Kcvab.png

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/krJpssy.jpg

[Phaezed-Reality]

First week in and DMO player Ramal stays bound at Tranix for Naggy Engage lol. For claiming to be such High Int this was surely not a smart move.

loses mob, focus's on one dumb move i made after the alliance wins naggy. Crys in guild/comms for 7 hours 30 minutes over it and counting.

There is a reason why we call certain people crybaby retards.

[gundumbwing]

loses mob, focus's on one dumb move i made after the alliance wins naggy. Crys in guild/comms for 7 hours 30 minutes over it and counting.

There is a reason why we call certain people crybaby retards.

Don't be upset you are the only erudite in DMO who has who empty space in that larger forehead.

What a dunce.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/dyvJaBdh.jpg

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/qja6B7h.png

https://i.imgur.com/zDIdTsS.png

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/oY7l6gL.png

[Nuggie]

What I'm wondering is why Jeremy has an alt forum account dated so long ago... Planning this persona change that far back? Now that's some fore(head)thought!

[Jack N]

What I'm wondering is why Jeremy has an alt forum account dated so long ago... Planning this persona change that far back? Now that's some fore(head)thought!

I too have 3-digit base intelligence.

My RL friend had the name Jack on blue (on the Bruce account). I used the character for a time to liquidate my blue holdings and transfer to red. Before Green I attempted to login to the account to keep the name reserved, but my friend had loaned the account to another friend, and they all forgot the login info. So when the names were deleted in the purge before Green, I scooped up Jack as a first pick.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/ndD91Tt.jpg

[Jack N]

I tried real hard to get a R Kelly mask off the Halfling Deputies, but they're not giving it up.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/RZLy72s.gif