Poll: Reopen Teal (Digital Social Distancing)

[cd288]

True. I have been surprised by the overwhelming response for yes from the player base. Whether it matters at all or not, and yes lots of people don’t go on the forums, but that’s a pretty solid number of votes.

Lots of people who never played on Blue pre-expansions and have discovered on Green that they don’t actually like classic EQ unless both Kunark and Velious are released and the population is low across all 3 continents.

Also lots of people like OP who would jump at the chance to be able to farm plat and valuable loot on both servers simultaneously for yet a second time.

[phr0stbyt3]

You don't read.

600 votes from a population of 1800 or 3600 is a statistically valid sample was my point. Therefore, the poll is valid. The results so far are, 447 YES, 173 NO.

BTW, your "silent majority" argument assumes this majority exists - your proof is that it happened once elsewhere...

I don't believe your "guess" or not. I just believe the numbers. Re-read the above, if you're still not getting it.


This is starting to get silly. My "proof" is that we only have 600 votes out of the enormous 1500+ peak population we've been seeing.

First off, your signature brags about a 148 hour manastone camp. Did you stay awake that long to obtain it? Don't answer that. I know you didn't. Everyone knows you didn't. No, you didn't specifically break any rules, but everyone resents you for it. I don't see how this little brag is helping your position of opening a new server to take people (players and staff) away from Green so you can rotate the manastone camp again with your buds.

Secondly, your understanding of demographics is not good. There are two demographics at play here: 1) people who play on Green and 2) people who play on green who use the forums. We can assume confidence for the number of people in group 2 because that's the only demographic we -know-, so we could use the survey monkey formula to assume 99% confidence when extrapolating for the entire -forum user base-, but NOT group 1 because those people may never show their faces on these forums. People devote their entire lives to probability and statistics, and the brief little intro to sample sizes on the survey monkey website you linked doesn't even cover the basics.

Can we drop this now?

[phr0stbyt3]

Nobody cares about OP, they care about the amazing Teal server and all the positives it would bring to P99.

Such as....?

[Castle2.0]

The poll is to show theirs is a significant interest in Teal. Point proven.

phr0sty, you don't read. Try this calculator if you don't know how people can poll thousands to get info on hundreds of thousands https://www.checkmarket.com/sample-size-calculator/

600 votes out of 1800 or even 3600 is a sample reliable to the 99th percentile with only a 5% margin of error (when it's 70% to 30%.) Fact.

You're left with your "OP is a bad man - no proof needed" and "I define classic, and current status is classic."

Haven't heard much else from opposition besides a lack of understanding of statistics/math.

[Castle2.0]

Also lots of people like OP who would jump at the chance to be able to farm plat and valuable loot on both servers simultaneously for yet a second time. Doesn't deny I never owned Tranix Crown, GEBs, FBSS, and can't confirm any"cash" camp I live at at except he knows I camped a manastone once because I am selling one...

"OP is a bad man - no proof needed" is a bad argument for so many reasons.

REOPEN TEAL. Make Antonica Great Again!

[cd288]

Doesn't deny I never owned Tranix Crown, GEBs, FBSS, and can't confirm any"cash" camp I live at at except he knows I camped a manastone once because I am selling one...

"OP is a bad man - no proof needed" is a bad argument for so many reasons.

REOPEN TEAL. Make Antonica Great Again!

Not a bad argument at all. In fact, it’s the most important argument because it illuminates your true motivations for why you want a second server.

[phr0stbyt3]

The poll is to show theirs is a significant interest in Teal. Point proven.

phr0sty, you don't read. Try this calculator if you don't know how people can poll thousands to get info on hundreds of thousands https://www.checkmarket.com/sample-size-calculator/

600 votes out of 1800 or even 3600 is a sample reliable to the 99th percentile with only a 5% margin of error (when it's 70% to 30%.) Fact.

You're left with your "OP is a bad man - no proof needed" and "I define classic, and current status is classic."

Haven't heard much else from opposition besides a lack of understanding of statistics/math.

Let me put this into terms you might understand. I wanted to find out how many people out of 1800 liked Mexican food in a city where Mexican food is very popular, so I asked 600 of them what their preference was: 445 of them said pizza, 145 of them said Chinese, and only 10 of them said Mexican. Why didn't more people that I interviewed like Mexican food? Because I only asked people outside of Papa Johns and Panda Express.

You can't assume that EVERYONE on Green will come to the forums. Forum users and non forum users are different demographics potentially with different thought patterns, so your confidence level is nowhere near 99%. If everyone on the server was presented with the mandatory poll upon login, you could possibly assume a number that high. You are not good at demographics.

[phr0stbyt3]

Further reading on panel sampling from https://www.surveygizmo.com/resources/blog/how-to-access-your-target-audience-for-your-online-survey/


The Drawbacks of Using Panel Respondents as Your Target Audience

The three main drawbacks of using a survey panel are:

Nonprobablity Sampling

Because the respondents are chosen in a nonrandom manner (forum dwellers only),
some members of the population have no chance of being included. This presents the
problem of calculating how well the sample represents the population as a whole.

Data Quality

Since respondents are incentivized to complete a survey, their motives are not
altruistic. Because they may not be vested in your cause or goal, these responses may
be of a lesser data quality.

Duplicate Responses

Sometimes a panel company will not have a large enough pool to draw from for a
particular demographic in which case they will partner with another panel company to
fill the order. If a respondent is signed up with both panels duplicate responses can
occur.

Most panel companies are vested in providing high quality responses since this is vital
for them to keep repeat business. There will however, be some questionable responses.
The key is to choose a reputable company and to take a close look at the data you
get back to weed out the outliers and duplicate responses.

[kaev]

my only regret is that I have but one no vote to give for this thread

[drackgon]

I personally don't care about what mannastone wants to reopen teal for. (first off list items are gone). I care about why I want to reopen teal. That is so I who am a father of 3 and husband. Can log on and not fight for camps(lucky for me I don't really have 2 on green bc I raid, and to me raiding over farming). But for nights I wanna level one of my alts. Sitting on list isn't fun.(SK/Monk/Warrior) Classes that yes can solo some, but do better in groups. I personally myself don't care about classic(fyi green is by far no where near classic, so arguments are stupid, if this was classic all you greenies would be on dial up, no discord, Sks would of just NOW gotten life taps, mages would still suck, Hate/solro wouldn't been same day etc etc). I care about my way of life. Heck I wish dev's would shrink windows from 16 hrs to half. People playing p99 are not 10-24 anymore. 99% of this playerbase is 35+, with familys.

[cd288]

I personally don't care about what mannastone wants to reopen teal for. (first off list items are gone). I care about why I want to reopen teal. That is so I who am a father of 3 and husband. Can log on and not fight for camps(lucky for me I don't really have 2 on green bc I raid, and to me raiding over farming). But for nights I wanna level one of my alts. Sitting on list isn't fun.(SK/Monk/Warrior) Classes that yes can solo some, but do better in groups. I personally myself don't care about classic(fyi green is by far no where near classic, so arguments are stupid, if this was classic all you greenies would be on dial up, no discord, Sks would of just NOW gotten life taps, mages would still suck, Hate/solro wouldn't been same day etc etc). I care about my way of life. Heck I wish dev's would shrink windows from 16 hrs to half. People playing p99 are not 10-24 anymore. 99% of this playerbase is 35+, with familys.

So then why don’t you play the TLPs if that’s what you’re looking for? Why come to P99, knowing what it is and knowing the amount of content that exists pre-Kunark, and demand things change to accommodate you? You essentially want instances or pick zones while playing EQ, which the TLPs offer

[Furitor]

Yeah Mannastone/Doacyn has shown up in numerous Teal camps and just been an awful person. Not sure how Black Lotus keeps this dude around. Definitely not awesome and not a fan of OP at all.

HOWEVER -- this isn't what the thread is about. This thread is literally about the overpopulation of this server. So stop trying to divert attention away from the actual statistic.

It's not Classic to have Enchanters and Necros solo all the camps in Guk and preventing exp groups to form there. Players are also smarter now and less likely to chill in EC all day. If anything EC is UNDERpopulated while all the other zones are overpopulated as hell.

Tunnelquest isn't classic. Twitch auction streams aren't classic. Discord isn't classic. And yet all of those have caused people to go OUT of EC tunnel and not socialize.

Populations in classic might have been 2k but players were not as smart and everyone wasn't out camping everything.

I've had numerous guildies from Teal straight up quit the game until Kunark because of the merge. Whole guilds are gone. Imagine how many more people during this pandemic would be back if we had a Teal server.

Too bad it won't happen so whatever. We're just forumquesting at this point. Release Sky and Kunark earlier and get it over with. That's what they're probably going to do.

[MakkanB]

So then why don’t you play the TLPs if that’s what you’re looking for? Why come to P99, knowing what it is and knowing the amount of content that exists pre-Kunark, and demand things change to accommodate you? You essentially want instances or pick zones while playing EQ, which the TLPs offer

Don't TLP servers cost money? If they're free i'll check em out...

[phr0stbyt3]

I personally don't care about what mannastone wants to reopen teal for. (first off list items are gone). I care about why I want to reopen teal. That is so I who am a father of 3 and husband. Can log on and not fight for camps(lucky for me I don't really have 2 on green bc I raid, and to me raiding over farming). But for nights I wanna level one of my alts. Sitting on list isn't fun.(SK/Monk/Warrior) Classes that yes can solo some, but do better in groups. I personally myself don't care about classic(fyi green is by far no where near classic, so arguments are stupid, if this was classic all you greenies would be on dial up, no discord, Sks would of just NOW gotten life taps, mages would still suck, Hate/solro wouldn't been same day etc etc). I care about my way of life. Heck I wish dev's would shrink windows from 16 hrs to half. People playing p99 are not 10-24 anymore. 99% of this playerbase is 35+, with familys.

34 here. Married. 2 kids. I can totally empathize with you in saying every minute I get to play is sacred. If I even hint at getting on EQ at night during "family time" I catch a scowl that would make Wuoshi envious. If I try to play two nights in a row, my faction is shot for the week: "You played for THREE hours yesterday. Seriously??"

I have to say that I am quite pleased with Green, and rather enjoy the large community that it has amassed. I would suggest your position doesn't have anything to do with your identity as a father in his 30's, and while I'm sure your motives are pure, you already told us you don't care about classic so I'm not sure why you're lobbying for another classic server in the first place. We can argue about the degree to which Green recreates the classic experience, but we can all agree that Blue is vastly more non-classic than Green at this point in time (both timeline and mechanics). You already have a level 60 there, so why not go back? Why Teal instead of Blue? All of the gripes you listed about Green are easily avoidable on Blue, plus it has the added advantage of being less classic AND you don't have to lobby the devs for another server. This should be a win-win..WIN for you, yes?

[cd288]

Yeah Mannastone/Doacyn has shown up in numerous Teal camps and just been an awful person. Not sure how Black Lotus keeps this dude around. Definitely not awesome and not a fan of OP at all.

HOWEVER -- this isn't what the thread is about. This thread is literally about the overpopulation of this server. So stop trying to divert attention away from the actual statistic.

It's not Classic to have Enchanters and Necros solo all the camps in Guk and preventing exp groups to form there. Players are also smarter now and less likely to chill in EC all day. If anything EC is UNDERpopulated while all the other zones are overpopulated as hell.

Tunnelquest isn't classic. Twitch auction streams aren't classic. Discord isn't classic. And yet all of those have caused people to go OUT of EC tunnel and not socialize.

Populations in classic might have been 2k but players were not as smart and everyone wasn't out camping everything.

I've had numerous guildies from Teal straight up quit the game until Kunark because of the merge. Whole guilds are gone. Imagine how many more people during this pandemic would be back if we had a Teal server.

Too bad it won't happen so whatever. We're just forumquesting at this point. Release Sky and Kunark earlier and get it over with. That's what they're probably going to do.

I agree Kunark should be released earlier. I don’t agree with your statement that Classic wasn’t overcamped though. It definitely was. As someone who on my player character was a class that couldn’t solo effectively, I remember it very well. Especially from 40-50 it was so packed. And there were constant complaints from the player base about it until Kunark was released. And on my CSR character the stream of petitions due to player disputes As a side effect of the crowding was constant.

[Castle2.0]

Pre-nerf Red Wood Wands were also classic ;)

You can't assume that EVERYONE on Green will come to the forums. Forum users and non forum users are different demographics POTENTIALLY with different thought patterns, so your confidence level is nowhere near 99%. If everyone on the server was presented with the mandatory poll upon login, you could possibly assume a number that high. You are not good at demographics.

This is the "You can't prove your point 100%, so the opposite must be true (which just so happens to be my opinion."

Sure, it's logical to assume people on forums will not be a 100% match with the server demographics. So, what? Are you making any positive claims about demographics you can back up with numbers?

Why is your assumption more likely than the opposite assumption? It's not. If every player were forced to vote on login, we might see the 72-28 hold, or the spread get even bigger.

It's logical to assume that both numbers would increase. This means there will be more interest in a Teal server than the current 455 players. You don't know that there are more or less pro-Teal players that haven't voted yet than anti-Teal.

What we know for sure so far: from one, non-stickied, non-official thread on one-sub forum on project1999.com there are 455 players who want Teal reopened, and hundreds of players who haven't haven't voted yet. Most people would conclude this is a big chunk of the playerbase worth considering.

My suggestion: Devs give a response with reasoning, or open up an official poll for players to vote on.

[drackgon]

@cd288 I am not demanding anything, first off. I only voted Yes, and stated my side of story. Devs/admins are RL people as well, and have RL stuff to do just like I do. I am just voting my side and showing my reasonings.

@phr0stbyt3. Greens only appeal to me is its progression, and its community. (yes community is same on blue.) Blue has 0 progression and TLP progression is a joke, just like WoW classic. Heres the content time gated but with the most up to date builds talents/skills. Making the progression boring and not fun. I don't have a lvl 60 on blue either:) only like a lvl 41 warrior. So I should of worded it I dont care about how it was to be "classic" as in 1200-1500 people on server like people keep saying on this thread.

[Tuljin]

Remember in the 80s and/or the 90s when there was "that kid" (who in adult life is now "that guy") that would claim something ridiculous like Hulk Hogan was his uncle or that Command and Conquer: Tiberian Sun was finally released "only on the west coast" and they would just have a ridiculous retort to absolutely every single attempt you made to call them on their bullshit?

[magnetaress]

Remember in the 80s and/or the 90s when there was "that kid" (who in adult life is now "that guy") that would claim something ridiculous like Hulk Hogan was his uncle or that Command and Conquer: Tiberian Sun was finally released "only on the west coast" and they would just have a ridiculous retort to absolutely every single attempt you made to call them on their bullshit?

*holds up a mirror, slays _a_gila_monster_hatchling_ in n ro, autoloots*

[Hornox123]

I vote yes

[cd288]

Pre-nerf Red Wood Wands were also classic ;)



This is the "You can't prove your point 100%, so the opposite must be true (which just so happens to be my opinion."

Sure, it's logical to assume people on forums will not be a 100% match with the server demographics. So, what? Are you making any positive claims about demographics you can back up with numbers?

Why is your assumption more likely than the opposite assumption? It's not. If every player were forced to vote on login, we might see the 72-28 hold, or the spread get even bigger.

It's logical to assume that both numbers would increase. This means there will be more interest in a Teal server than the current 455 players. You don't know that there are more or less pro-Teal players that haven't voted yet than anti-Teal.

What we know for sure so far: from one, non-stickied, non-official thread on one-sub forum on project1999.com there are 455 players who want Teal reopened, and hundreds of players who haven't haven't voted yet. Most people would conclude this is a big chunk of the playerbase worth considering.

My suggestion: Devs give a response with reasoning, or open up an official poll for players to vote on.

Galach responded in the other thread that he doesn’t see it happening so it looks like you got your request for an answer

[turbosilk]

Galach responded in the other thread that he doesn’t see it happening so it looks like you got your request for an answer

Keep up your spin.

[cd288]

Keep up your spin.

Lmao what? Stating facts is now spin? If anything, whatever you say from here on out is the spin since it would be trying to “spin” Galach’s response to not mean what it said.

OP asked for someone on the staff to respond to the split request. Someone on the staff responded. Sorry that the answer they gave wasn’t what you wanted.

[turbosilk]

I agree Kunark should be released earlier. I don’t agree with your statement that Classic wasn’t overcamped though. It definitely was. As someone who on my player character was a class that couldn’t solo effectively, I remember it very well. Especially from 40-50 it was so packed. And there were constant complaints from the player base about it until Kunark was released. And on my CSR character the stream of petitions due to player disputes As a side effect of the crowding was constant.

Kunark shouldn't be released earlier. That's not in tune with the classic experience. The timeline definately should not be compressed as the release valve to overcrowding due to COVID-19 telework ath is going to stretch on through most of 2020.

[turbosilk]

Lmao what? Stating facts is now spin? If anything, whatever you say from here on out is the spin since it would be trying to “spin” Galach’s response to not mean what it said.

OP asked for someone on the staff to respond to the split request. Someone on the staff responded. Sorry that the answer they gave wasn’t what you wanted.

It is spin for you to leave out he stated the servers were merged due to the amount of petitions. You left out he stated the number of petitions dropped after the merge but have since doubled over the last 2 months due to COVID-19. You left out that his stating his opinion that he doubts the country will be in COVID-19 lockdown (I'm adding telework here) in 2 months. There are companies that are already mandating telework for the rest of 2020.

You can state it's fact when Galach makes a black and white statement or if Rogean/Nilbog do. That's not the statement he/they provided. Sorry it wasn't the answer you wanted.

[Octopath]

I’d like to change my selection from yes to no

[cd288]

It is spin for you to leave out he stated the servers were merged due to the amount of petitions. You left out he stated the number of petitions dropped after the merge but have since doubled over the last 2 months due to COVID-19. You left out that his stating his opinion that he doubts the country will be in COVID-19 lockdown (I'm adding telework here) in 2 months. There are companies that are already mandating telework for the rest of 2020.

You can state it's fact when Galach makes a black and white statement or if Rogean/Nilbog do. That's not the statement he/they provided. Sorry it wasn't the answer you wanted.

Lmao tells me I’m spinning and then tries to spin it like crazy. Unreal

[Castle2.0]

Galach responded in the other thread that he doesn’t see it happening so it looks like you got your request for an answer Galach is awesome - he is a senior guide - but guides don't make the call on a server opening or closing.

Nilbog/Rogean is the answer the coming up on 500 of us are looking for.

Nice try.

[cd288]

Galach is awesome - he is a senior guide - but guides don't make the call on a server opening or closing.

Nilbog/Rogean is the answer the coming up on 500 of us are looking for.

Nice try.

You’re right one of the main “CSR” members saying two servers was unmanageable for them is definitely not something Nilbog or Rogean would look at as an impediment to starting another server. But keep on keeping your fingers crossed and maybe you’ll get your second server to farm the plat and loot at the same time as you do it on Green that you’re hoping for!

[skorge]

Galach is awesome - he is a senior guide - but guides don't make the call on a server opening or closing.

Nilbog/Rogean is the answer the coming up on 500 of us are looking for.

Nice try.

Took me awhile to chime in on this topic. Nil/Rog needs to open a second server asap. I quit 4-5 months ago and came back about a 1-2 weeks ago. Server is nuts now. It's a totally different server. What makes it so bad is the sheer number of soloing necros/encs/mages. They leave no camp open, even during off-times.

On Teal we would have maybe 200-250 online at 6 am, EST. Green has 600+ peeps on during these off hours, so even during off hours server is congested, leaving nothing available to farm.

It hurts casual players like myself the worst, since we have limited play time. I can see it getting worse during Kunark actually with the addition of so many new players...I can see Green up to the 3,000s easy...they will be forced to open a new server then, so why not now? FoB will crash for example day one of Kunark launch if they don't have 2 servers.

COVID-19 is a rare situation. Many businesses have completely shut down or changed the way they operate. P99 should change as well, by opening Teal back up and allowing us the option to go back. If not I can see many people bailing out, which would hurt P99 in the end.

[cd288]

leaving nothing available to farm.

[drackgon]

Will say they just got 2 new guides yesterday. Makes me wonder why they just doubled their members. Maybe time for Teal?

[rayeatts]

I honestly would hate to see them split the server again.

I guess that puts me in an unpopular position.

It isn't all about high level toons camping rare spawns.

Some people just want to be able to log on and find a lively community to be a part of.

They want to makes friends, play with others, and feel like the lowbie - mid level zones are alive.

Low server pop kills the experience imo.

[drackgon]

Green doesn't have a low server population at all. 1034 on atm on 12:30pm est on a work day(for those like me who are at work)

So splitting the server last time green had on avg 20-40% more population So your looking at right now if split. 600 on green 400 on teal.. Thats still at least 10 players per zone on teal.

[drackgon]

And Fyi I personally know a lot of teal players quit when they remerged, We might actually get more players to come back. Imo split until half way through Kunark if managable. Also start charging us like 5 bucks a month devs plz. Make peeps donate.

[rayeatts]

And Fyi I personally know a lot of teal players quit when they remerged, We might actually get more players to come back. Imo split until half way through Kunark if managable. Also start charging us like 5 bucks a month devs plz. Make peeps donate.


I wouldn't expect that Daybreak games would ever allow P99 to charge for admission. It would change the whole nature of what we're doing here. They would certainly want a cut of the revenue. I noticed where you can donate to p99 and I hope that people are contributing if they can.

The people running p99 should be able to earn some extra income some kind of way to stay motivated to keep it all going.

[Bigsham]

You are not getting another server i promise, forget about it

Dragons are staying rooted too !

Enjoy !

If its too congested its because too many kids are playing 18 hours a day go do something

[drackgon]

Yeah that is probably true. But maybe a Pateron or a Twitch sub. Could tech get donations setup on that right? So I can auto pay:)

[drackgon]

Like I said in other thread. Bigsham go back to red, and enjoy ur p99 with 12 other red dead players, while the rest of us green/blues get all the fun:)

[cd288]

I wouldn't expect that Daybreak games would ever allow P99 to charge for admission. It would change the whole nature of what we're doing here. They would certainly want a cut of the revenue.

Yeah definitely true. It would definitely give them a much more significant legal claim for damages at that point. I wouldn't be surprised if the agreement with Daybreak specifically includes covenants by P99 that they will not charge subscriptions and will not run the server as a profit generating venture (I wonder if the agreement permits Daybreak to audit their donations to confirm this no profit part if it exists...wouldn't be surprised if it does).

Like I said in other thread. Bigsham go back to red, and enjoy ur p99 with 12 other red dead players, while the rest of us green/blues get all the fun:)

You seem to not be having any fun though based on how you keep saying the server is so terrible that we need to split it in half? I've been having tons of fun on Green.

[drackgon]

I raid all the time, which to me is hell lot of fun. Bc I get to raid with tons of really kool people, I've met and became friends with. Heck even still friends with those that left us, I play d3 with some of them. Plus I once in blue moon get some friends together and roll lowbie toons and level(nothing more fun then this totally when drinking late night).

[Frug]

I haven't played since green launch, I guess I couldn't stomach true classic! I was wondering if pop had skyrocketed due to Corona.

Certainly risen; not sure if "skyrocket" is the word.

Red is still dead.

https://i.imgur.com/A34jnPl.png

[Tunabros]

we should have teal open
its a must
some zones are just bombed

[cd288]

we should have teal open
its a must
some zones are just bombed

And all those popular zones and camps will still be fully camped on the other server. This was the case when Teal existed (many of you just weren’t sufficient level for those more popular high level camps and zones, so for you it was all roses).

[skorge]

And all those popular zones and camps will still be fully camped on the other server. This was the case when Teal existed (many of you just weren’t sufficient level for those more popular high level camps and zones, so for you it was all roses).

Not just popular zones, like every zone, any time of the day now...it's mostly due to the nature of Green's class make-up (mostly necros/encs/mages vs classic server make-up). Rivervale is always camped, Misty Thicket always has a necro or 2 there (even at 6-7 am EST), Mistmoore is always full, Rathe Mountains, etc...

[Fammaden]

One thing that the merge did accomplish is that people started going to other zones to XP, this is as someone coming FROM teal TO green at the time. On teal from 45+, in many ways from 40+ you basically went to highkeep and got on the noble/bard list if you wanted to actually group for 40's xp in PUG's.

The lower population meant that you really struggled to put stuff together for anywhere else with the hive mind dictating that the path was Highkeep XP mod or nothing's worth even doing. After merge people started to actually use SolB more and other zones somewhat.

Of course now Highkeep is much less popular since people think that the ZEM change made it "bad" xp (its not) but also since the relative gear power levels have increased such that duo/trio of the bards and nobles is much more achievable.

[cd288]

Not just popular zones, like every zone, any time of the day now...it's mostly due to the nature of Green's class make-up (mostly necros/encs/mages vs classic server make-up). Rivervale is always camped, Misty Thicket always has a necro or 2 there (even at 6-7 am EST), Mistmoore is always full, Rathe Mountains, etc...

Sorry that you have to wait your turn for a camp. Welcome to classic EQ.

[billwilliams]

Classic EQ had one to two level 46+ monopolizing every single money/item camp in the game? And then passing the camps onto other accounts/ips/guildies exclusively? I don't remember this and neither do 99% of the people that actually played during 1999-2001 live era.

[jwaltz]

100% yes. Reopen Teal.

"This is classic" No, this is not how classic was.

[Octopath]

Classic EQ had one to two level 46+ monopolizing every single money/item camp in the game? And then passing the camps onto other accounts/ips/guildies exclusively? I don't remember this and neither do 99% of the people that actually played during 1999-2001 live era.

Adding teal won’t fix this... there are enough players like Mannastone now that will keep everything perma camped on both servers. Especially if they allow you to box both servers. Most of these hardcore players have multiple characters on separate accounts so they can own camps on both servers.

[cd288]

Adding teal won’t fix this... there are enough players like Mannastone now that will keep everything perma camped on both servers. Especially if they allow you to box both servers. Most of these hardcore players have multiple characters on separate accounts so they can own camps on both servers.

Yeah and we already saw it happen when Teal existed. Idk how people seem to think that splitting the server will somehow mean all these popular and valuable camps somehow just miraculously open up all the time for them lol. You have people like OP who want the second server so they can farm on both simultaneously (remember peeps, OP was the one who camped multiple manastones and used forum posts to attempt to artificially drive up prices on manastones so he could price gouge people. He has level 50 characters. He isn’t asking you to vote yes on his poll so he can XP lol...he wants a second server so that he can monopolize the camps you want so bad on both servers).

[turbosilk]

Adding teal won’t fix this... there are enough players like Mannastone now that will keep everything perma camped on both servers. Especially if they allow you to box both servers. Most of these hardcore players have multiple characters on separate accounts so they can own camps on both servers.

Changing camping policy to require sharing. Whoever has the camp has to invite others wanting in the camp until the group is full. This will establish the classic experience.

[jerryR]

Changing camping policy to require sharing. Whoever has the camp has to invite others wanting in the camp until the group is full. This will establish the classic experience.

That would be a nightmare of undesirable people griefing you using an actual policy. Imagine getting in a dispute with someone and having them follow you camp to camp forcing you to group with them. Or even just someone who isnt class appropriate for your composition as a group. The policy exceptions would have to be so nuanced that it would render the entire thing untenable

[turbosilk]

That would be a nightmare of undesirable people griefing you using an actual policy. Imagine getting in a dispute with someone and having them follow you camp to camp forcing you to group with them. Or even just someone who isnt class appropriate for your composition as a group. The policy exceptions would have to be so nuanced that it would render the entire thing untenable

I'm not sure. If someone can solo it then it doesn't matter who else joins. This could be implemented in select zones on a trial basis.

[jerryR]

How does loot work? It would still have to be based on the first person who established the camp? And if that person is 50 and mobs dont give xp whats the difference? I can't imagine how many more fights and petitions there would be with the added complexity of non consentual grouping

[billwilliams]

Simple solution is to make any indoor magic/rare item require you to be there and grouped with 4+ people level appropriate for the zone. This would get rid of all the 46+-50s holding camps in places like Unrest,Befallen/HHK etc and actually move them to dungeons and group for items once the level 50s there can no longer hold camps solo.

This is how every single server indoor camp in live 1999-2001 worked WITHOUT gm intervention or any stated policy ALA common sense, no one sat at camps SOLO until they collected 5 cowls and 10 cords with a 20 person queue of more soloers behind them.

[billwilliams]

Loot would work the way it always has, the group agrees beforehand to free roll OR need before greed, everyone randoms, winner takes it per group consensus. If there is bullshit or dispute THIS is where the GM/Guide can step in and the only part they should ever enter into these player drama-fests.

[jerryR]

And when the server splits like you want and some dungeons or mobs you cant get a group for because of low population - then how do you get your item? Revert it back?

Every problem you're try to fix you're creating 3 more

[turbosilk]

How does loot work? It would still have to be based on the first person who established the camp? And if that person is 50 and mobs dont give xp whats the difference? I can't imagine how many more fights and petitions there would be with the added complexity of non consentual grouping

Forcing people to group for content is a key factor in classic EQs success. There are several ways loot could be handled. Could be like AC. That rule is there so the same person can't farm the ring over and over. Precedence for these types of camp rules are already in the game.

[billwilliams]

That is not a situation that is going to happen, it wasn't an issue on Blue launch and that server only had 400 peak in its first 6+ months.

[jerryR]

Loot would work the way it always has, the group agrees beforehand to free roll OR need before greed, everyone randoms, winner takes it per group consensus. If there is bullshit or dispute THIS is where the GM/Guide can step in and the only part they should ever enter into these player drama-fests.

If I'm the only person in zone camping a mob for 3 hours solo and you forced yourself by policy I have to group with you - no way I'm giving loot to you before I get mine. And the second person would say the same to the 3rd. Essentially you still have a list but the added complication someone might ninja it or dispute rules. Versus me just holding camp tilI get item and leave.

[billwilliams]

If I'm the only person in zone camping a mob for 3 hours solo and you forced yourself by policy I have to group with you - no way I'm giving loot to you before I get mine. And the second person would say the same to the 3rd. Essentially you still have a list but the added complication someone might ninja it or dispute rules. Versus me just holding camp tilI get item and leave.

You wouldn't be in a zone camping a mob solo for 3 hours anymore though because if the policy I am talking about was in the game from the start and established most popular item camps will have constant group or rotation of people going in and out.

You think the way you do because of the stupid broken camp policy that enables SOLOers to even have the mentality you do now to be so blind to any other point of view, even the one the game actually worked based on in live 1999-2001 servers for 30+ servers across the world.

[jerryR]

Forcing people to group for content is a key factor in classic EQs success. There are several ways loot could be handled. Could be like AC. That rule is there so the same person can't farm the ring over and over. Precedence for these types of camp rules are already in the game.

You guys are crazy. The only way a game should force you to group is via difficulty. The ideas you have would make things way more volatile

[billwilliams]

You clearly never played on live, this solo mentality is not normal, it never existed anywhere except these EMU servers with their broken and counter-intuitive play nice policy and rules.

[cd288]

You clearly never played on live, this solo mentality is not normal, it never existed anywhere except these EMU servers with their broken and counter-intuitive play nice policy and rules.

Hmmm this is just completely incorrect. As an in era CSR, the rules here are not far off from the rules on live at all. Granted, there was a brief period of time where there were no rules (for a few months after launch) simply because we had no idea how much people would grief each other and abuse mechanics online lol. And even then there were still some sort of “rules” it’s just that they were different for each server depending on which GM covered them. However after a few months we had uniform rules put in place. Also none of those rules ever prohibited someone soloing a camp so your whole claim is just false and confusing.

By several months after release, online resources had come out detailing drops and camps, people had high level characters, and camps were constantly occupied (I remember all the complaining petitions very well). So your memory is either flawed or you are purposefully being dishonest.

[jerryR]

Didn't you get banned ? Look at your mentality and tell me that I'm going to let someone like you be foisted on me by some policy - when you'd probably end up causing some other loot drama because you could only stay for 3 hours so you deserve first loot rights. Give it up

[billwilliams]

Camps were occupied 24/7 by a single soloer? Not true. I had several toons that I was able to roll on and win several items myself in a group as a monk - FBSS and then Tstaff.

Good luck getting FBSS or Tstaff on this server on your own if you are not a Shaman/Necro/Enchanter or supertwink random class that can solo it too.

You will be forced to farm only the shittiest PP dropping mobs because the others are overcamped as well and grind your ass over 100+ hours and then run to EC to buy your FBSS or Tstaff OR roll your own necro/enchanter/druid/shaman to camp the items you want for the class you actually want to play

Live EQ was never like this sorry, don't care what you think of my memory or judgement but for 100% the server never existed in this way and was never meant too.

[billwilliams]

Didn't you get banned ? Look at your mentality and tell me that I'm going to let someone like you be foisted on me by some policy - when you'd probably end up causing some other loot drama because you could only stay for 3 hours so you deserve first loot rights. Give it up

No I didn't get banned, I got a suspension, maybe 1 or 2 week? I don't even know or care, I uninstalled willingly 1 - to not have an active trojan on my PC anymore (the eq.dll file itself) and 2 - server is unplayable - the incident or camp in question, the players were there from 4PM on a Sunday, to 11PM same day, and then in the morning they were still at the camp until 11AM and no intention of leaving in sight. Why? Because the policy allows you to essentially 2box on 1 IP and hold any multi spawn camp indefinitely just going back and forth between your accounts.

[jerryR]

If an item takes 8 hours to drop and no one is getting xp... essentially it's just a list complicated by 6 people having loot rights when it does drop

[turbosilk]

If an item takes 8 hours to drop and no one is getting xp... essentially it's just a list complicated by 6 people having loot rights when it does drop

How is this different than AC?

[jerryR]

You guys started out with wanting server split, to forced grouping. When its pretty obvious there's simply one or two items you really want and haven't been able to get yet Get a grip. Server is packed to the tits but it's not that bad

What if the server splits and you still can't get item in the time you have for your forced group? Up drop rates next

[billwilliams]

There are no items that I want. Before I got hit with the playnice stick, at level 32 I had every gear I wanted before it got phased out, box of abu, thex dagger and jboots.

[billwilliams]

What I do want is to be able to play a toon that I actually want to roll, like rogue, or warrior or monk, not a necro/sham/enchanter, and enter a place like Lguk and be able to join a group and have a CHANCE at a FBSS or executioner cloak or TBB etc, etc,. not play a game where I do not even BOTHER going to Lguk because I know all the item camps are already taken 24/7 by a level 50 soloer and I might as well find somwhere to grind PP to buy the item at EC tunnel because that is the only option you have.

[cd288]

Didn't you get banned ? Look at your mentality and tell me that I'm going to let someone like you be foisted on me by some policy - when you'd probably end up causing some other loot drama because you could only stay for 3 hours so you deserve first loot rights. Give it up

Oh wait now I recognize that guys name! You’re right he was the jerk that got suspended. He’s Toeking the person who tried to train people in OOT on purpose, has meltdowns regularly in game, and is well known as one of the top 5 worst people on Green.

He got suspended and went on a huge rant in RnF and now here he is making up false facts about live and trashing P99. Lol what a joke of an individual.

He’s not worth responding to dude. He’s not a functional human being.

[billwilliams]

Yea but having 1,190 posts in 2 years on a forum for a EMU that came out a generation ago is the sign of someone highly functioning. If your post count is higher than the average player count of the entire server, consider....I dunno...something other than staring into screens your whole life.

[billwilliams]

He’s Toeking the person who tried to train people in OOT on purpose - Lol one time and it was a good rouse and led to a great thread, more fun than playing the game itself TBH and gives autists like you something to read and feel better about yourself over.

has meltdowns regularly in game - LOL 2-3 instances ever of me flaming someone to teach them a lesson, not melting down, in a 10 year play history from Blue to now is regularly?

and is well known as one of the top 5 worst people on Green. - LMAOOO holy shit, I WISH this was true, it would be a fuckin honor.

[turbosilk]

You guys started out with wanting server split, to forced grouping. When its pretty obvious there's simply one or two items you really want and haven't been able to get yet Get a grip. Server is packed to the tits but it's not that bad

What if the server splits and you still can't get item in the time you have for your forced group? Up drop rates next

Server is packed to the tits. I couldn't have said it better:)

[Castle2.0]

With 8 more people we'll be at 500 YES votes.

Wow.

[cd288]

He’s Toeking the person who tried to train people in OOT on purpose - Lol one time and it was a good rouse and led to a great thread, more fun than playing the game itself TBH and gives autists like you something to read and feel better about yourself over.

has meltdowns regularly in game - LOL 2-3 instances ever of me flaming someone to teach them a lesson, not melting down, in a 10 year play history from Blue to now is regularly?

and is well known as one of the top 5 worst people on Green. - LMAOOO holy shit, I WISH this was true, it would be a fuckin honor.

Lol here we go. Classic Toeking meltdown and rant incoming

[DMN]

With 8 more people we'll be at 500 YES votes.

Wow.

i bet you would double that if you offered to give everyone a free manastone.

[Castle2.0]

i bet you would double that if you offered to give everyone a free manastone. Because I got manastones to burn :rolleyes:

People are voting because they want Teal. LOTS of people.

[DMN]

Because I got manastones to burn :rolleyes:

People are voting because they want Teal. LOTS of people.

I'm not talking about you personally giving them, but the admins/staff. People are voting because they want the path of least resistance.

[billwilliams]

I'm not talking about you personally giving them, but the admins/staff. People are voting because they want the path of least resistance.

People are voting because they don't want 50-100 maxlevel/maxgear min-max full-time-stay-at-home-sons/zimzers gating 90% of the content among themselves vs the other 1400+ players

[turbosilk]

People are voting because they don't want 50-100 maxlevel/maxgear min-max full-time-stay-at-home-sons/zimzers gating 90% of the content among themselves vs the other 1400+ players

Exactly. Not classic.

[jerryR]

What I do want is to be able to play a toon that I actually want to roll, like rogue, or warrior or monk, not a necro/sham/enchanter, and enter a place like Lguk and be able to join a group and have a CHANCE at a FBSS or executioner cloak or TBB etc, etc,. not play a game where I do not even BOTHER going to Lguk because I know all the item camps are already taken 24/7 by a level 50 soloer and I might as well find somwhere to grind PP to buy the item at EC tunnel because that is the only option you have.

So let me get this straight - you made 2 characters you didn't want to play, got them both to low 30s. Then got all the gear you wanted. Oh and finally raged out over some pp camp to get suspended ?

Now you're raging on about these hypothetical things you won't get to do with a character you for some reason didn't roll to begin with ? Maybe get your monk to level 50 before complaining you cant end game gear it . And I remember fbss being camped pretty hard even way back when

[turbosilk]

So let me get this straight - you made 2 characters you didn't want to play, got them both to low 30s. Then got all the gear you wanted. Oh and finally raged out over some pp camp to get suspended ?

Now you're raging on about these hypothetical things you won't get to do with a character you for some reason didn't roll to begin with ? Maybe get your monk to level 50 before complaining you cant end game gear it . And I remember fbss being camped pretty hard even way back when

But you don't remember fbss being hard farmed solo and duo.

[magnetaress]

*undesirable people* count in this thread 104 times.

[jerryR]

But you don't remember fbss being hard farmed solo and duo.

Whats the difference of you waiting 10 hours on a list to join a group or 10 hours on a list to take over from the people duoing it ? If you're there just for the chance at the item ??

[turbosilk]

Whats the difference of you waiting 10 hours on a list to join a group or 10 hours on a list to take over from the people duoing it ? If you're there just for the chance at the item ??

I'm not sure I'm following here. Are you stating that that is the classic experience?

[jerryR]

Whats the difference of you waiting 10 hours on a list to join a group or 10 hours on a list to take over from the people duoing it ? If you're there just for the chance at the item ??

I'm not sure I'm following here. Are you stating that that is the classic experience?

In classic you weren't just sauntering down there and walking into a group. Either way you'd be spending a lot of time waiting to get into that camp. I don't think you're much more likely to get the item either way.

If someone or someone(s) wants to spend their entire life camping that item, there's no much you can do about it. Another server or even 2 more servers isn't going to guarantee you that item if there are people with more time to spend than you. Thats classic

[cd288]

So let me get this straight - you made 2 characters you didn't want to play, got them both to low 30s. Then got all the gear you wanted. Oh and finally raged out over some pp camp to get suspended ?

Now you're raging on about these hypothetical things you won't get to do with a character you for some reason didn't roll to begin with ? Maybe get your monk to level 50 before complaining you cant end game gear it . And I remember fbss being camped pretty hard even way back when

Lol I’m dying. Also, watching Turbo side with someone like Toeking just proves how nuts he is.

At any rate, 1200 people online on a Saturday. Hardly packed. People crying because they don’t like waiting in line for valuable stuff and want to be able to farm it themselves

[jerryR]

Lol I’m dying. Also, watching Turbo side with someone like Toeking just proves how nuts he is.

At any rate, 1200 people online on a Saturday. Hardly packed. People crying because they don’t like waiting in line for valuable stuff and want to be able to farm it themselves

I'm a bit confused. Realistically isn't it better for his situation trying to list up on a camp being soloed and then bringing his full group ? Otherwise if it was a full group on the camp he'd have to go somewhere else anyway and with that group only replacing one member every x hours it's even less likely? What am I missing ? A taken camp is a taken camp to a full group looking for it.

If the point is people are playing unhealthy amounts of hours on single camps or shady account sharing stuff / boxing etc - that is another matter that frankly no one can do anything about

[turbosilk]

I'm a bit confused. Realistically isn't it better for his situation trying to list up on a camp being soloed and then bringing his full group ? Otherwise if it was a full group on the camp he'd have to go somewhere else anyway and with that group only replacing one member every x hours it's even less likely? What am I missing ? A taken camp is a taken camp to a full group looking for it.

If the point is people are playing unhealthy amounts of hours on single camps or shady account sharing stuff / boxing etc - that is another matter that frankly no one can do anything about

Jerry, I'd like to hear what your recollection is of the classic experience grouping with friends and family with a group of upper 40s/50 back in 1999. I'm talking about the classic experience.

[Bigsham]

Maybe all melee should start with a FBSS to make it fair

[jerryR]

Jerry, I'd like to hear what your recollection is of the classic experience grouping with friends and family with a group of upper 40s/50 back in 1999. I'm talking about the classic experience.

What are you on about now ??

You should be less worried about how I experienced a game as a teenager and more the dude that made this petition having bragged about camping manastone for 150 hours. That is the type of person that you're gonna be competing for camps with on Teal.

Very strange bedfellows in this re-open teal debate, I must say.

[GnomeCaptain]

Still no response from devs?

How odd. Nearly 700 votes, and the count is overwhelmingly in favor of this proposal.

The original reason for creating Teal is more pressing than ever.

There's only one logical course: reopen Teal.

[Swish]

Still no response from devs?

How odd. Nearly 700 votes, and the count is overwhelmingly in favor of this proposal.

The original reason for creating Teal is more pressing than ever.

There's only one logical course: reopen Teal.

Do you know how many "how long til Velious?" threads we went through on the forums?

[cd288]

Still no response from devs?

How odd. Nearly 700 votes, and the count is overwhelmingly in favor of this proposal.

The original reason for creating Teal is more pressing than ever.

There's only one logical course: reopen Teal.

Yeah reopen Teal because all those popular camps you guys want will definitely not still be monopolized like they were last time Teal was open!

[Fammaden]

Nearly 700 votes, and the count is overwhelmingly in favor of this proposal.

Now that legacy lists are gone, OP probably spend days creating 400 or more accounts to upvote his own poll.

[El-Hefe]

Hopefully Aradune opening will provide some relief on green.

[cd288]

Now that legacy lists are gone, OP probably spend days creating 400 or more accounts to upvote his own poll.

Lmao

[cd288]

Hopefully Aradune opening will provide some relief on green.

Yeah possibly. I think a lot of these people really have realized they don’t actually like classic and would benefit from a new TLP where they can use pick zone to essentially get whatever they want. And I don’t say that in a judgmental manner at all; classic non-instanced EQ isn’t for everyone and I think these guys would be happier on a TLP

[Fammaden]

Wish they would release a new red at the same time to siphon off all these inb-red players, but I don't think they can launch new P99 content at the same time as live content per rumors about the legal agreement. New TLP, new red, maybe some kinda new WoW release if that's possible....all things that would help. I'd love to see the server size cut by 25 to even as much as 50% by an exodus of all those factions. Summer always brings attrition to P99 too but the covid thing is possibly going to fuck that up now. We need people to just quit, not rules about their behavior or a second green/teal server that they don't want to split staff to or pay for.

[turbosilk]

Hopefully Aradune opening will provide some relief on green.

It had real potential until they removed the locking just past PoP.

[Castle2.0]

Now that legacy lists are gone, OP probably spend days creating 400 or more accounts to upvote his own poll. Barely playing, checking in on forums once every 1-3 days. Focusing on my business and playing Apex Legends when I have some free time.

Would play more if they re-opened Teal.

[El-Hefe]

Yeah possibly. I think a lot of these people really have realized they don’t actually like classic and would benefit from a new TLP where they can use pick zone to essentially get whatever they want. And I don’t say that in a judgmental manner at all; classic non-instanced EQ isn’t for everyone and I think these guys would be happier on a TLP

I think everyone likes classic. They just want to be able to kill stuff with their friends. Things were different back in the day, if you explored enough you could carve out a niche camp that nobody had considered doing. But with the wealth of knowledge available in 2020 and P99 being a haven for EverQuest superfans that sort of gameplay isn’t possible here.

So, I don’t think it’s a case of people “Not liking classic” it’s more of a case of not enjoying competing with 1500 other EQ stans with encyclopedic knowledge for limited content.

[magnetaress]

https://i.imgur.com/wZ6YTWQ.gif

[Castle2.0]

499.

Who wants to be #500?

[magnetaress]

its 358 on my screen seek help

[cd288]

Wonder how many forum accounts Castle created to vote on his own poll lol

[Castle2.0]

None. As I said, I am barely playing and just check on forums when I'm bored. When Teal reopens, you'll see more of me ingame.

But thanks for your +1 post count.

P.S. if I was making lots of accounts to upvote, why not just snag that last 1 to make 500 and then make a big announcement instead of seeing if someone hasn't voted yet? /bonk

[drackgon]

If this data is accurate its kind of amazing. 499/1500 ish?. 1/3 of your player base wants teal back. Trolls can gladly stay on green:)
.
I am guessing they are holding out for Aradune server, before they make an even attempt at thinking this over though. Corvid19 is slowly working itself out, which also will help reduce this issue.

[cd288]

None. As I said, I am barely playing and just check on forums when I'm bored. When Teal reopens, you'll see more of me ingame.

But thanks for your +1 post count.

P.S. if I was making lots of accounts to upvote, why not just snag that last 1 to make 500 and then make a big announcement instead of seeing if someone hasn't voted yet? /bonk

That's why I always ignore polls on these forums. There's no way to prevent someone from padding the stats and many people on the forums have multiple different accounts.

At any rate, as Galach said Teal isn't happening. Sorry you won't get to farm high value targets on two servers instead of one :(

[drackgon]

;)He did say that. But he also said that mainly closing down teal was bc lack of Gms.. Like we've said. They just got 2 more.. :);););):D:D:D

[drackgon]

and lol did someone make 2 fake accounts to vote? GG over 500. Means Cd288 is with the sad 187 who don't like change, and most likely solo players anyway

[cd288]

;)He did say that. But he also said that mainly closing down teal was bc lack of Gms.. Like we've said. They just got 2 more.. :);););):D:D:D

He said that was one of the reasons. The primary reason Teal closed down was because it was created to help with the overflow of 300+ people in every single newbie zone. The staff stated this when they split the server. It was designed as a very temporary measure to resolve that issue until things spaced out more. It wasn't created because you're sad you can't get popular high level camps lol. But good news, there's a new TLP coming out and you'll be able to pick zone/instance to your heart's content.

[drackgon]

Nah rather stay here and win, and Collect tears:)

[Castle2.0]

That's why I always ignore polls on these forums. There's no way to prevent someone from padding the stats and many people on the forums have multiple different accounts.

At any rate, as Galach said Teal isn't happening. Sorry you won't get to farm high value targets on two servers instead of one

Can filter by IP #. One part of my business takes surveys through our website. It's a pretty common feature to log the IP of respondents.

In either case, there's obviously enough interest for Devs to launch an official poll (where they could log IPs) if they were curious enough to know what players thought and care what they thought.

I say, go for it.

[Castle2.0]

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if someone was padding YES and NOs - I don't think we got 50-100+ fake responses.

Official poll. IP filter. Game on.

[cd288]

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if someone was padding YES and NOs - I don't think we got 50-100+ fake responses.

Official poll. IP filter. Game on.

I don’t think there’s an IP filter

[magnetaress]

50+ each dude.

[Castle2.0]

I don’t think there’s an IP filter My specific message above wasn't an observation, I was making a suggestion. Let's do an official poll with IP filter. Game on.

IP logging is the norm for online polls.

Also, vBulletin (the software this forum runs on) logs IPs of users.

*BOOM*

[Castle2.0]

Tried soloing in Sol Ro Temple a bit. Possible, but painfully slow and bad exp.

Would love to see some exp guides by the people saying "just be creative" who haven't shown much of their own creativity

I'm gonna hit up Akanon soon.

I enjoy going to the out-of-the-way places or killing things people don't often kill for exp - I killed droves of wood elf guards from 45-50 with Red Wood Wands (see video in signature.)

What I have found so far is, if it wasn't designed for exp, it's usually terrible exp (by a factor of 3-5+ from "normal" exp.)

Wanted to share this update here :)

[Bigsham]

i love everquest, best part is you can find a place in a town someplace and kill things for good exp, unfortunately on a homemade server like p99 quest npcs in someplace like sol ro would not have a proper exp or loot table

Anyone ever farm the mechanics in akkanon on live?

[DMN]

I killed some of the sweepers back in the day. Was actually pretty decent exp. it was a popular camping spot back on fennin, with solo players camping individual spawns. People would afk levitated over the water.

[cd288]

i love everquest, best part is you can find a place in a town someplace and kill things for good exp, unfortunately on a homemade server like p99 quest npcs in someplace like sol ro would not have a proper exp or loot table

Anyone ever farm the mechanics in akkanon on live?

All this guy does is make claims about how P99 has this or that inaccuracy but I have never once seen him post any evidence or proof to back up his claims

[Cen]

I went to kithkor 40-50 with ease. The zem is really good now and under reported. I got from 48-50 in a day with 114 kills.

There's plenty of mobs that stay blue to 50

[ChooChoo Train]

Kaladim, Felwithe, Kithicor all great spots 45+ and never fully camped.

[Castle2.0]

Congratulations, we have over 700 votes! Wow!

[drackgon]

New TLP server opens in what 2 days? So we will see how population is then I am sure we will lose some. Which will help.

I decided to make a Wizzy.
Day 1 in FP wasn't anything just solo'd to lvl 5 by myself. Bought some belts got to lvl 8.

Day 2-Started in EC trying to find a group(groups at both orc camps full, and even a list at orc 1, I was like 4th? on list, lots of peeps soloing mages/enc/bards/shamans, even some twink warriors. I ended up just being solo for the total 4 hours play time trying to LFG whole time.) Lvled to 10, got some more belts camped out lvl 11.5

Day 3. Leveled high enough to leave EC, went to WC. Solo'r (lvl 22 druid) at orc, group at derv, plus a group in between farming Kodiak and roamers, and tons of solo druids/bards/enc/mages) Spent whole night LFG while Soloing. Finally last 40 mins found a spot at derv group. Sadly group broke up 40 mins later, I retired for night. Ended lvl 13.5

Day 4. WC was camped, decided on NRO. Came to NRO, group was at dervs, and a solo at other derv camp. Seen a few running around zone killing roamers. Spent about hr/1.5 LFg here while soloing. Got into derv group. Stayed here for rest of night ending at lvl 16. Tank was MR. know it all, rest of group was pleasant but didn't talk hardly at all.

Day 5. Got new spells, and decided Oasis time. Spent all night looking for a group, TONS TONS of groups and solo people here. at least 4 groups from 3s-full groups at beach, plus just 2 many to count solo druids/enc/necros/mages/SKs. Seen groups all over Orc highway as well, 1 at cubby, 1 by lake, 1 by ruins, 1 at camp close to sro. Never once found group. Played 4 hours. Solo'd to 17, after a cpl near deaths(gated to EC tunnel almost dying, stupid wizzy resist).

Day 6(Memorial day) spent about 10-20 mins lfg to find a necro lfg. We duo'd the whole time of 2 hours. He was new to p99 and was fun having someone to actually chat with. When he logged I decided I would as well. Level 18.5! Close to self ports!


This has been my near week adventure of green this week. Will say this was a holiday week, so I am sure more were on? Overall finding groups sucks, at least im a twink and can solo stuff better then most. But spending 70% of time LFG tag on and spamming OOc, and even Messaging solors for a group/duo. Gets old..

[Grimstrike]

New TLP server opens in what 2 days? So we will see how population is then I am sure we will lose some. Which will help.

I decided to make a Wizzy.
Day 1 in FP wasn't anything just solo'd to lvl 5 by myself. Bought some belts got to lvl 8.

Day 2-Started in EC trying to find a group(groups at both orc camps full, and even a list at orc 1, I was like 4th? on list, lots of peeps soloing mages/enc/bards/shamans, even some twink warriors. I ended up just being solo for the total 4 hours play time trying to LFG whole time.) Lvled to 10, got some more belts camped out lvl 11.5

Day 3. Leveled high enough to leave EC, went to WC. Solo'r (lvl 22 druid) at orc, group at derv, plus a group in between farming Kodiak and roamers, and tons of solo druids/bards/enc/mages) Spent whole night LFG while Soloing. Finally last 40 mins found a spot at derv group. Sadly group broke up 40 mins later, I retired for night. Ended lvl 13.5

Day 4. WC was camped, decided on NRO. Came to NRO, group was at dervs, and a solo at other derv camp. Seen a few running around zone killing roamers. Spent about hr/1.5 LFg here while soloing. Got into derv group. Stayed here for rest of night ending at lvl 16. Tank was MR. know it all, rest of group was pleasant but didn't talk hardly at all.

Day 5. Got new spells, and decided Oasis time. Spent all night looking for a group, TONS TONS of groups and solo people here. at least 4 groups from 3s-full groups at beach, plus just 2 many to count solo druids/enc/necros/mages/SKs. Seen groups all over Orc highway as well, 1 at cubby, 1 by lake, 1 by ruins, 1 at camp close to sro. Never once found group. Played 4 hours. Solo'd to 17, after a cpl near deaths(gated to EC tunnel almost dying, stupid wizzy resist).

Day 6(Memorial day) spent about 10-20 mins lfg to find a necro lfg. We duo'd the whole time of 2 hours. He was new to p99 and was fun having someone to actually chat with. When he logged I decided I would as well. Level 18.5! Close to self ports!


This has been my near week adventure of green this week. Will say this was a holiday week, so I am sure more were on? Overall finding groups sucks, at least im a twink and can solo stuff better then most. But spending 70% of time LFG tag on and spamming OOc, and even Messaging solors for a group/duo. Gets old..

That sounds like a rough Wizard's solo guide...

[drackgon]

lol nah was just showing my experience of finding groups. Counter point that is WC/EC/NRO/Oasis which are popular spots. So next session plan on going to something like gordge/runeye/ek to see what its like there.

[cd288]

lol nah was just showing my experience of finding groups. Counter point that is WC/EC/NRO/Oasis which are popular spots. So next session plan on going to something like gordge/runeye/ek to see what its like there.

Should also caveat that most people don’t want Wizards because most people don’t know how to maximize their Wizard play style in a group and even then they don’t bring that much benefit so you’ll often either get told no thanks even if there is a spot open or get jumped in the list when the group needs better DPS (I’m not saying that’s fair).

[Baler]

This is Nilbog's & Rogean's server.

This isn't a democracy.

[drackgon]

@cd288, I am clearly running around on a twink wizzy with MS in offhand. (Have only actually used it when I tip for regen) Not hard to maximize dps as a huge twink. With crack at this level can nearly spam my highest DD.(which i proved that in my nro derv group)

@Baler what you say is correct and don't think anyone here is denying that fact. But the forum is here for people to vent their suggestions, which is just a small hope..But will say how many cried on forums for soulfire nerf.. and wow we got it nerf'd.. Admins clearly still listen to the people. Just don't have to act on it.

[Bigsham]

Tell us more about your north ro derv group LOL

[drackgon]

Bigsham forum questing must be a huge fun part of your life, more so since red is dead:) Which won't lie at least brings me entertainment.

But since you asked. ^-^
Bard, Druid, Pally, Enc, Shmmy, Me(Wizzy). Finally got in the group for derv camp roughly 2pm. Pally would pull, sometimes with lull. Then enc and druid would send in pets(druid had puma, enc had scarab). Then me and shmmy did what we did best hit it with fire/thunder/ice. Druid would snare during fight, and heal the tank. Also in meantime bard would run around pulling extra trash from zone to us. Then we'd loot mob, and sit in quiet hoping to tell our story to Bigsham bc its what matters in life, if only red server mattered in life:).

[cd288]

@cd288, I am clearly running around on a twink wizzy with MS in offhand. (Have only actually used it when I tip for regen) Not hard to maximize dps as a huge twink. With crack at this level can nearly spam my highest DD.(which i proved that in my nro derv group)

@Baler what you say is correct and don't think anyone here is denying that fact. But the forum is here for people to vent their suggestions, which is just a small hope..But will say how many cried on forums for soulfire nerf.. and wow we got it nerf'd.. Admins clearly still listen to the people. Just don't have to act on it.

True, but then the healer has to constantly use mana to heal you? Groups I've been in pre-Clarity level when someone has an MS don't have significantly decreased downtime in my experience. You burn like two mobs down quick, but the caster is now nearly dead from MS and needs to be healed to full again. Ultimately it tends to at best balance out in terms of EXP per hour because the healer needs more downtime due to constantly healing the MS user.

[Baler]

@Baler what you say is correct and don't think anyone here is denying that fact. But the forum is here for people to vent their suggestions, which is just a small hope..But will say how many cried on forums for soulfire nerf.. and wow we got it nerf'd.. Admins clearly still listen to the people. Just don't have to act on it.

You're incorrect, that was a decision made by the current P99 "Management".
They also changed some clickies, Did you and others vent that suggestion on the forums aswell?

The only part I agree on is they do listen, through a filtered medium. "Management" is a newer keyword on P99 that I seem to only be privy to publicly thus far. I imagine if a raid guild leader wanted to chime in they could tell you some real fun information. At the risk of losing threads.

[Israel Adesanya]

Everyone is "working" from home and the server pop is rising. Manastone list is now 1 week. Camps are filling up.

When you got people sitting on a list to get into an exp group for 5+ hours... we've reached peak pop.

POLL: Reopen Teal: Yes or No

A guy named Manastone, with a Manastone avatar, and a "WTS Manastone" message in his signature block is asking to open another server so he can farm a Manastone.

Interesting argument...

[Snortles Chortles]

A guy named Manastone, with a Manastone avatar, and a "WTS Manastone" message in his signature block is asking to open another server so he can farm a Manastone.

Interesting argument...

high INT post

[romomike]

Yeah, but realistically if Teal opened at this point it'd be picking up from exactly where Green is currently.

[Octopath]

A guy named Manastone, with a Manastone avatar, and a "WTS Manastone" message in his signature block is asking to open another server so he can farm a Manastone.

Interesting argument...

Eagerly awaiting his video of why manastones are good. Not a troll I seriously want to see so I can make a toon and follow suit

[drackgon]

cd288 Hence my statement ive only used it when I have regen. Bc yeah clearly using it just burns healers mana, which defeats whole purpose. Using it when im sitting at full health 1 time, isnt bad though. But generally only use If I have regen, even then only 2-3 clicks. :)

[drackgon]

If teal reopened Ocotopath, there would be no more MS dropping. Teal would be same time lime as green.

Same goes to the DMO peeps posting. Mannastone wanting Teal reopen doesn't matter. MS no longer drop., so really far from HiGh InT PoSt:)

Not to say he doesn't want the 1 or of 5 decent Cash camps. But lets face it, by now most PP farmers sitting pretty 100-150k by now. Though some still recovering from their red wand hits:)

[cd288]

If teal reopened Ocotopath, there would be no more MS dropping. Teal would be same time lime as green.

Same goes to the DMO peeps posting. Mannastone wanting Teal reopen doesn't matter. MS no longer drop., so really far from HiGh InT PoSt:)

Not to say he doesn't want the 1 or of 5 decent Cash camps. But lets face it, by now most PP farmers sitting pretty 100-150k by now. Though some still recovering from their red wand hits:)

That comment was made when MS’s were available I believe so it was applicable at the time

[drackgon]

Cd288 look at last 2 pages on this thread:)

[Bigsham]

Bigsham forum questing must be a huge fun part of your life, more so since red is dead:) Which won't lie at least brings me entertainment.

But since you asked. ^-^
Bard, Druid, Pally, Enc, Shmmy, Me(Wizzy). Finally got in the group for derv camp roughly 2pm. Pally would pull, sometimes with lull. Then enc and druid would send in pets(druid had puma, enc had scarab). Then me and shmmy did what we did best hit it with fire/thunder/ice. Druid would snare during fight, and heal the tank. Also in meantime bard would run around pulling extra trash from zone to us. Then we'd loot mob, and sit in quiet hoping to tell our story to Bigsham bc its what matters in life, if only red server mattered in life:).

Waiting for UPS Made over 5k again today, dont worry about how i spend my time not currently gaming.

Love your sig tho A+

[Castle2.0]

Eagerly awaiting his video of why manastones are good. Not a troll I seriously want to see so I can make a toon and follow suit The Manadance™ Video Will Be Coming Soon™

It just took some time to find the right song. How you gon' get the club lit unless you got dem good vibes, yaknow?

Can't promise I am dropping it this week, but hope to drop it by as early as tonight/tomorrow.

To the haters saying I am trying to pump up the price, my indirect response to you is, who ACTUALLY wants to sell their Manastone? I'm not sure I want to, I just want to BE selling my manastone, ya dig?

[TheSurgeon]

So, serious question. Is a single individual in DMO literate? Even slightly?

[Octopath]

The Manadance™ Video Will Be Coming Soon™

It just took some time to find the right song. How you gon' get the club lit unless you got dem good vibes, yaknow?

Can't promise I am dropping it this week, but hope to drop it by as early as tonight/tomorrow.

To the haters saying I am trying to pump up the price, my indirect response to you is, who ACTUALLY wants to sell their Manastone? I'm not sure I want to, I just want to BE selling my manastone, ya dig?

Can’t wait. Is the Manadance for any class? Or only Druid/clerics?

[drackgon]

Manastone is great for a lot. More so druids/wizzy who can port to old world and gate back. But heck not hard to be group full of clerics and have druid or wizzy to port to ring/spire. Manastone down a few times and gate right back with nearly full mana. Spending 1 min vs 5 mins to med to full.

For groups even as a lvl 20 wizzy I've been dropping down to 70% health just to get a few extra nukes in, super fun. Also used a lot on my cleric who is 47, and druid who is 35. All of them have been hella nice. More so since druid got regen, and cleric CH clearly.

[Castle2.0]

Can’t wait. Is the Manadance for any class? Or only Druid/clerics? Any class can do it - method is class neutral - but most convenient for dru / wiz. Video is done, thread dropping Soon™

Drackgon, good points.

[Pyrocat]

bump

[Castle2.0]

717 votes and the Devs haven't said anything yet.

Elf lives matter! Speak up!

[cd288]

717 votes and the Devs haven't said anything yet.

Elf lives matter! Speak up!

Green has been at like 1000-1100 on average at prime time now that all these states have reopened and people are going back to work. The period of alleged “overpopulation” is over. No need to split a server that’s 1000 people lol

[Castle2.0]

For a moment I will humor you with your numbers being accurate.

It just means the denominator (population) shrinks as the numerator (YES votes) is increasing. We got an overwhelming number of YES votes from voters. Soon we will have a majority of the playerbase having voted YES. If the Devs don't respect the will of the people and correct this over-population injustice, there will be no peace.

Erudites gonna be lighting Kelethin on fire. High Elves lighting the end of cracked staffs on fire like Tiki Torches and counter protesting the Erudites. Gonna have Barbaians at the gates of the wealthy Dwarves shoutin' "eat the rich!"

Do you think Norrath is gonna make it past this event? Not a chance.

Devs need to act now.

Elf lives matter.

[cd288]

For a moment I will humor you with your numbers being accurate.

It just means the denominator (population) shrinks as the numerator (YES votes) is increasing. We got an overwhelming number of YES votes from voters. Soon we will have a majority of the playerbase having voted YES. If the Devs don't respect the will of the people and correct this over-population injustice, there will be no peace.

Erudites gonna be lighting Kelethin on fire. High Elves lighting the end of cracked staffs on fire like Tiki Torches and counter protesting the Erudites. Gonna have Barbaians at the gates of the wealthy Dwarves shoutin' "eat the rich!"

Do you think Norrath is gonna make it past this event? Not a chance.

Devs need to act now.

Elf lives matter.

Except those numbers came during a situation that no longer exists so your entire comment makes zero sense. The salt is strong with this one that the staff just ignored you during the shutdown. Take the L bro lol

[Castle2.0]

Started the largest player-made poll in P99 history. Sounds like a W to me.

Devs gonna pull the trigger, soon™

Even if they don't, I still started a movement.

[Jimjam]

So you’re saying the peaceful voice of the server isn’t being heard and you’re going to resort to the violence of DDOS until Rogean reopens teal? Not cool man. You shouldn’t imply that.

[Exard3k]

I'm fine with green and love the server population. But I'm EU timezone and got more people to play with.

[Bigsham]

Started the largest player-made poll in P99 history. Sounds like a W to me.

Devs gonna pull the trigger, soon™

Even if they don't, I still started a movement.

You didnt start any movements, and still havent accomplished anything with your life either.

Keep trying tho.

[Castle2.0]

Thanks Bigsham. Glad to know we got at least one resident psychic.

Or just another person projecting ;)

527 YES, woot!

[Castle2.0]

More votes in this thread than players online right now.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! (https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/-hl5k4D5UWKHdXLUcY44KWu5ZpU=/0x0:2152x1462/920x613/filters:focal(904x559:1248x903):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64611604/afe8348117.0.jpeg)

[cd288]

Everyone is back to work now as states re-open

[Entee]

Even though 72% of the votes are for reopening of Teal... is there any chance they'd actually do it?

[LoricL1222]

i mean the pop nose dived why split server?

[Tethler]

i mean the pop nose dived why split server?

[Castle2.0]

The Devs have shown vast determination to persist in the current direction despite the deafening outcry from a super majority of Green. It's almost commendable.

But will they shun precious Iksarian tears of every monk, necro, shaman, and SK lizard when Kunark goes live?

Will they consign all the young reptilians to be prisoners of their own devices in the empty empty depths of Kurns?

Will they leave the intentionally-old-GPU true-blue classic players in an unplayable state due to being surrounded by hundreds of other other players which neither their GPU can process nor their CRT display anyway?

Say it ain't so.

[Fammaden]

Teal sounds nice for a few months of Kunark, but I doubt it happens unless the server has an absolutely massive spike in interest. Even with 2k playing many are going to be packing into 50+ loot/leveling zones with enough space and divergent paths (xp, loot, keys, quest items, legacy items, faction for Chardok and hammers) that the crush shouldn't be terribly burdensome on any particular places like it was in the newbie yards for launch. It will be crowded yes, but crowded in general is a good thing (to a degree) for making the server feel alive and active.

With so many of the current player base likely to decide they want to grind their mains/50's the Iksar starting area shouldn't be too crazy. Anyone who IS rolling Iksar day one just helps to alleviate the load on higher level zones. Overall the population will be a more self limiting factor spread across all of Kunark+classic+Hole than it was when they opened teal. It is also entirely possible that opening day population is more like 1500 tops and quickly subsiding as time goes on.

Incidentally, no one is going to believe you have anything but ulterior motives for wanting this. I don't blame you, I'd rather have less contested camps and a less toxic raid scene too. But Teal isn't coming back, and you don't have any more noble purpose in banging the drum so hard for it. Just drop the pretense at this point and be honest about why you want two servers so badly.

[cd288]

Damn Fam with the total roast

[drackgon]

I have a feeling, come kunark Teal will be back. Doesn't matter about this post at all. Just a lot of people quit until Kunark. So server will be back to being packed. AkA they will reopen Teal for a few months.

[Swish]

I have a feeling, come kunark Teal will be back. Doesn't matter about this post at all. Just a lot of people quit until Kunark. So server will be back to being packed. AkA they will reopen Teal for a few months.

I'm not so sure this time. I think it would be good to see if only to take some of the load from green Field of Bone etc.

[Fammaden]

I'm not sure the initial rush for Kunark will be anything near the 2K+ concurrent we saw for green. Hard to say though. Population could also shrink a lot sooner after Kunark than it took for it to subside after the initial launch.

[treefiddey]

I was one of those players who started P99 a few weeks after Green start. I never thought I'd have time for EQ again, but the lockdown + the novelty of the Green server was too much to resist.

I played for about 2 months and had a great time, but soon realized, once again, that I don't have enough time for this game. So, I'm one of those people who won't be coming back for Kunark. I don't have the numbers, but I bet there are others like me.

[Toad1]

1 zone for 1000 players does not make sense without some type of dynamic instancing or bosses in this gaming era

[NPC]

I have a feeling, come kunark Teal will be back. Doesn't matter about this post at all. Just a lot of people quit until Kunark. So server will be back to being packed. AkA they will reopen Teal for a few months.

Doubtful, I'm sure there are many not returning. Especially with the Teal merger fiasco, a better solution would be to up the old world ZEM top to bottom (1st-50th level) to try and spread people out.
Also, even if Teal did re-open I wouldn't play it because you don't know if its gonna poof or when, so there ton of other people thinking the same thing. They dun fuk'd it an there's no going back.

[Swish]

...a better solution would be to up the old world ZEM top to bottom (1st-50th level) to try and spread people out.

https://i.imgur.com/LdCm8tR.gif

[NPC]

Well only having one server isn't classic either . . .

[matticas]

The server isn't full, players just tend to exp in the same ole cookie cutter zones everyone uses over and over lol. Norrath is huge! Explore it! :)

[Nirgon]

Plenty to do in Kunark besides screech in KC

There's good xp options to 54+ in old world too

Not that most lame brains realize it

[Castle2.0]

51-55 is best in classic any way. Classic mobs are pushovers.

But we still need to RE-OPEN TEAL!

[Tunabros]

51-55 is best in classic any way. Classic mobs are pushovers.

But we still need to RE-OPEN TEAL!

In kunark def
maybe not in velious
I like to go FD at kael ZL and watch the show :rolleyes:

[Phaezed-Reality]

I feel like we should just all spread out the exp someone gains In the zone among everyone in the One. Problem solved.

[magethis]

i don't think we need teal, i think classic will thin out, so that means if kunark is camped, just bring your alt iksars to classic zones, kunark is huge.

there's enough mobs in skyfire/trakanon/burning woods/karnors/chardok for everyone to be farming something

also something like this shouldn't be done ahead of time, launch kunark and see how it goes

[Toad1]

I feel like we should just all spread out the exp someone gains In the zone among everyone in the One. Problem solved.

i can picture an army of low level naked boxed chars getting leveled for free, the tears will flow like a river

[Castle2.0]

i can picture an army of low level naked boxed chars getting leveled for free, the tears will flow like a river Bernie McQuaid, the true architect of EQ, wouldn't have had it any other way.

[Baler]

Still have not voted in poll.

I want Teal to open for Kunark launch. So the server isn't getting slammed in certain zones.
By Velious there is enough demand for larger groups of players in certain zones.

My Vote No teal for Velious, Yes for Kunark.

[Toad1]

i promise it wont reopen

but feel free to keep posting

[adichi]

stay at home dads and unemployed quarantined boomers will continue to run rampart in a pixelated frenzy while the rest of us neckbeards suffer the consequences...

something must be done

[Chortles Ban Appeal]

no

[Castle2.0]

600+ sigs now. Woot.

[pivo]

You know what would be cool? Opening teal, purple or whatever color, that would have mechanics all scrambled up. (it would be custom, not classic) Different spawn points, different timers, maybe some drops being allocated to different NPC's, for players to re-discover everything again ;-)

But I can imagine, it is not viable, there would be too much work involved...

[Cen]

You know what would be cool? Opening teal, purple or whatever color, that would have mechanics all scrambled up. (it would be custom, not classic) Different spawn points, different timers, maybe some drops being allocated to different NPC's, for players to re-discover everything again ;-)

But I can imagine, it is not viable, there would be too much work involved...

Randomizers sure are getting popular ;D

[pdub]

lmk when someone comes up with an open source classic server and its not this authoritarian black box secret ninja patches no announcements lame /list disable quest xp nightmare server

[Morton Jr]

Make your own server or accept their rules

[pdub]

Make your own server or accept their rules

Mate you coming into every thread where there’s a bit of contention and then saying “YOU’RE MAD DEAL WITH IT” doesn’t foster any meaningful conversation or outcome. Waste of oxygen

[cd288]

Mate you coming into every thread where there’s a bit of contention and then saying “YOU’RE MAD DEAL WITH IT” doesn’t foster any meaningful conversation or outcome. Waste of oxygen

I see why his comment annoyed you, but respectfully your earlier comment was also a waste of oxygen based on your standard. People in glass houses...

[greatdane]

Why is the teal trading board still around?

[Castle2.0]

Why is the teal trading board still around?

Every good story has foreshadowing. The Devs have a plan. ElfAnon and our sources are going to release the plan piece by piece...

[apprentice04]

OMG was there another E drop?

[cd288]

Love how everyone was like "zomg Green is gonna be overrun when Kunark drops and we have like 2.5k people or whatever on at all times" and then the pop didn't increase that dramatically.

[Valorian]

I'd vote for Teal coming back if they made it a 'hardcore' server and auto-moved every account that has a 30 day average of 50+ hours a week played.

[Tunabros]

Love how everyone was like "zomg Green is gonna be overrun when Kunark drops and we have like 2.5k people or whatever on at all times" and then the pop didn't increase that dramatically.

[Castle2.0]

Love how everyone was like "zomg Green is gonna be overrun when Kunark drops and we have like 2.5k people or whatever on at all times" and then the pop didn't increase that dramatically.

I'm sure the lack of marketing/communication/notice of the release and turning off 1 of the 2 available forms of exp for 30 days had nothing to do with it :cool:

Coulda sent emails to every account announcing the release. Coulda collaborated with some community members (like LevelUp Larry) to create a great hype video to link in the email.

Oh wait, they don't get paid to do this.

[cd288]

I'm sure the lack of marketing/communication/notice of the release and turning off 1 of the 2 available forms of exp for 30 days had nothing to do with it :cool:

Coulda sent emails to every account announcing the release. Coulda collaborated with some community members (like LevelUp Larry) to create a great hype video to link in the email.

Oh wait, they don't get paid to do this.

I don't think that's the case at all. Also, we didn't see a significant drop in pop due to the quest EXP issue either.

Everyone knew it was coming sometime in November. The lack of broadly disseminating a specific date would explain lower pop on the first day or two. After that, everyone who would be interested in returning for Kunark would know that it had been released.

The fact of the matter is there were many people who either wanted to experience the launch of a brand new classic server overall, people who were EQ veterans and hadn't really played on P99 much (or at all) before so they were giving it a shot, and people who had never played EQ ever and were giving it a shot that caused the high population around Green launch. Many of those people got what they wanted out of the experience, or didn't like P99 at all, and have moved on. There are probably other P99 players like me who have been playing more on Blue than Green lately since they just wanted to try out that old world only fresh launch. Kunark was never going to be like 2.5k - 3k pop.

[Castle2.0]

Wow, over 900 signatures. Insane.

[Gustoo]

Yeah that is pretty impressive. Good work on the voter turnout. 2020, a record year.

Looks like some healthy candidates for the red 2.0 launch.

[Phantomius]

Considering green is at 1K max I'd say it's unlikely to happen at this point.