List Integrity

[Crovax]

So your interpretation of the play nice policy: Turbo, will you farm fine steel for me for 10 hours? If you don't you're not playing nice.





This isn't a car broken down scenario. This is someone saying "Hey I can't afford coachella tickets. Buy them for me, or I won't let you go.

Not true. I never asked you to kill it for me. When you partied with me I thought we were going to duo it for sure. You refused. I didn't complain. I didn't /petition. I didn't create a thread. I didn't expect you to help. I didn't feel entitled to help.

When your friends came I asked them if they wanted to party as well. They said no. When they refused to help I didn't ask they to kill it for me. I didn't complain. I didn't /petition. I didn't create a thread.

They did threaten me with petitions and said they would create a forum post (That you did here).

I was not going to be bullied off a spot after having camped it all day. And I was not about to risk trying to solo it after you just did the train before leaving the party. Even if the train was an 'accident' and then when the monk showed up I was 100% not going to stand up and try to solo it lol.

This wasn't a case of, "Kill it for me plz!". It was a, "I am the appropriate level and we could do this as a team, but if you don't want to. That's cool. Someone will show up and then we will be able to move forward and do this as a team". And that is exactly what happened.

The system worked. I wasn't bullied out of a spot. Things worked themselves out. I never once demanded anyone do anything for me. I never even once asked twice.

[gkmarino]

To put it in context. I did not ever demand anyone kill anything. You can see screen shots of the chat logs. I was in a party with two other people. Our healer got the mana stone and said he would stay until another healer showed up. Grakken showed up.

Our mage was logging but said he would stay until another showed up so the group could continue. Grakken joined the party. Harms the mage left the party. Grakken then left the party and told me to solo it or leave.

He wanted that #1 slot. The moment his friend Masterize (Monk) and a druid show up I asked if they wanted to party for the camp (Again you can check screenshots of the chat at the start of the thread). They said no that I was too weak and need to leve. Masterize then said he was going to do a /petition x3 and post in the forums. Masterize didn't post in the forums though Grakken did.

Again the chat logs are there. I never demanded anything from them. I offered to do with each person there. They tried to refuse and hoped I would log out but I had already been at that camp since 4/5am in the morning and it was around midnight when this happened (Or shortly after the server crashed).

So no. I didn't feel entitled to them helping. After each of them refused to help I disengaged in chat. I didn't come to the forums and cry about it. I didn't do a /petition demanding they engage or leave /list.

The moment a friendly mage and druid duo showed up and started fighting it I immediately re-engaged in fighting just like I would have if Grakken himself started fighting. And after that moment everything was back to normal camp wise.

Never held a camp hostage. Someone tried to push me off the /list and failed drastically.Big if True

[Crovax]

would still love to know the current status of this camp - it doesnt appear that sleep happened, so is this list still on pause?

A friendly mage and druid showed up and we all went back to fighting evil eyes. I got my mana stone earlier in the day and went to sleep and just woke up :)

This drama is mainly just on the forums. In game Grakken and I didn't speak after he left party and told me to solo or leave. After Masterize refused as well and got rude I stopped replying to his chat in game so he stopped messaging me there too. Besides the moment of them hoping I would leave /list in game nothing really happened. Untill the mage and druid showed up and everything resumed.

The thread has continued on though, lol. It's its own separate beast. I don't even think the mage/druid that showed up knew there was a situation that happened there lol

[Siege]

What if you have to use the bathroom? How do you not fail the AFK check?

I don't think anyone on the list is leaving their computer chair to take a shit.

[Videri]

What if you have to use the bathroom? How do you not fail the AFK check?

There is time for bathroom breaks.

AFK checks are variable from about 5-15 min. You don’t have to click on them right away. You can leave it up for 5 min. But if the next AFK check comes while you still have the previous AFK check window up, THEN you get booted from the list.

Therefore, you actually have at least 10 minutes, but often even more.

I live in a 4-floor house with a shared kitchen and bathrooms. I have been able to go downstairs to the bathroom, come back up and wait for the next AFK check with minutes to spare, go downstairs and start a kettle of water, go up and wait for the next box, go down and pour the hot water to make tea, go back up, go down and microwave some leftovers...you get the idea. It’s doable.

[bubur]

You would be drinking tea you god dam angel Tala

God how are you so nice and wholesome, there's manastone wars going on!!

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I don't think anyone on the list is leaving their computer chair to take a shit.

Going to the bathroom would also mean these pathetic souls might accidentally have to look at themselves in the mirror...

[oldhead]

I thought Teal was supposed to be the less toxic one?!

Green MS camp pretty chill except for the heartbreak from LD's and such.

I thought teal was where all the anti social solo greedy I want the camp toxic players went.

[oldhead]

A friendly mage and druid showed up and we all went back to fighting evil eyes. I got my mana stone earlier in the day and went to sleep and just woke up :)

This drama is mainly just on the forums. In game Grakken and I didn't speak after he left party and told me to solo or leave. After Masterize refused as well and got rude I stopped replying to his chat in game so he stopped messaging me there too. Besides the moment of them hoping I would leave /list in game nothing really happened. Untill the mage and druid showed up and everything resumed.

The thread has continued on though, lol. It's its own separate beast. I don't even think the mage/druid that showed up knew there was a situation that happened there lol


Who was the mage and druid? Would like to send a tell of thanks to the bros.

This whole thing was such a dick move by the PO.

[Natewest1987]

Bump... because this thread is too good to let it fall to page 2

[Videri]

You would be drinking tea you god dam angel Tala

God how are you so nice and wholesome, there's manastone wars going on!!

lol I knowwwwww. Drinking tea is a way to trick myself into drinking enough water. Country Peach Passion (http://shop.celestialseasonings.com/Country-Peach-Passion-Herbal-Tea/p/CEL-053245&c=CelestialSeasonings@Herbal) is my favorite herbal tea. And yeah...I've never drank alcohol before. I want to be as clear-headed as possible at all times.

[lituviel]

It's funny how Corvax is taking advantage of the wind turning on a backfire thread here.
It's even funnier to see that he admit himself that the list system needs a tune up, as stated the OP.


I still think it could use some slight tweaking for Manastone

It's even more funnier to see that people want this camp to be a group and earn the item working together as IT NEVER BEEN like this in blue by the time the manastone dropped. It is not an XP group where you can farm pixels and get a chance to loot. This is based on the simple fact that everyone want now a Manastone with it's own class. But you just forgot the fact that you need the rigth class to kill some merbs.

This is like any Everquest camp, Hadden and it's FB earring, Rotting skeleton...

OP move was bad to disband and let the guy try to handle the camp alone.
However, people don't have to earn your item. You should have been able to SOLO this mob.
you earn your position by waiting patiently on the line, just clicking AFK message every few minutes for 50 hours IS EARNING the rigth to obtain the camp.

In the end you can clearly figure out #teamcorvax are dumb people whiteknights who can't solo the camp and need friends trolling here and seeing an opportunity to get things done for them easily...
And the opposite side who lvled a class that can handle such camp and apparently were wrong because it is not stated as a solo or a group camp.

However at lvl 35 on EE camp it never been an exp group. If this camp was meant to be a group camp, the lvl should have been lowered to 30's, and NO-ONE would make an exp group there and assume risk to die lvling there.

This is an item camp spot, you should have to be able to camp the EE solo to claim item and not count on the others to help you get your stone during wtf the time is going to be for any #1 slackers of the list.

[lituviel]

In the end Corvax you're not showing the log when people were telling you to group up with them. Where you don't answer them, where you don't fight and engage EE-PH's with them.

Was 2druids, 1 mage and one monk engaging EE-PH's while you were standing FD on the wodden ramp on border of the camp. This was your camp. You did not even bother thanking us for restarting the rotation.

Corvax, you're just a victim and an as****e.

[Videri]

27 pages in under 24 hours. Is that unusual?

[Crovax]

It's funny how Corvax is taking advantage of the wind turning on a backfire thread here.
It's even funnier to see that he admit himself that the list system needs a tune up, as stated the OP.

I was literally here in this thread the entire time, replying to all the post directed at me. Regardless of what direction the others in the thread were posting. You realize if you check the other thread directly about changing the /list you will see I was advocating for tweaking the /list way before this situation happened.




OP move was bad to disband and let the guy try to handle the camp alone.
However, people don't have to earn your item. You should have been able to SOLO this mob.

You will notice I didn't create this thread. I never once asked for someone to earn my item. Grakken created this thread. Not me. And can you point me to the rule that says you need to be able to solo a mob before you can /list it? I never suggested you guys should be forced to fight


you earn your position by waiting patiently on the line, just clicking AFK message every few minutes for 50 hours IS EARNING the rigth to obtain the camp.

I was actively participating in the camp.


In the end you can clearly figure out #teamcorvax are dumb people whiteknights who can't solo the camp and need friends trolling here and seeing an opportunity to get things done for them easily...
And the opposite side who lvled a class that can handle such camp and apparently were wrong because it is not stated as a solo or a group camp.

I don't even think I need to respond to this. I will just let people read it and that should be enough of a rebuttal.



This is an item camp spot, you should have to be able to camp the EE solo to claim item and not count on the others to help you get your stone during wtf the time is going to be for any #1 slackers of the list.

You should give your feedback in a appropriate channels. The appropriate answer isn't to act like the rules are on your side and out right lie. Then threaten 3 /petitions and a forum post. Then have a thread created and out right lie about the situation.

[Widan]

PvP server when??

[Crovax]

In the end Corvax you're not showing the log when people were telling you to group up with them. Where you don't answer them, where you don't fight and engage EE-PH's with them.

Was 2druids, 1 mage and one monk engaging EE-PH's while you were standing FD on the wodden ramp on border of the camp. This was your camp. You did not even bother thanking us for restarting the rotation.

Corvax, you're just a victim and an as****e.

Please don't continue to lie. I told them the moment they engage I would help them. I did. And I never stayed FD while any fighting was going on. That is an out right lie. The mage is Minimio. You can ask him. Or the druid Bellezza.

I am a victim? What are you rambling about? Again. I didn't create this thread. I didn't do /petitions I wasn't the one crying in chat.

[nicemace]

dude gets bullied then attempts to shame him. holds strong. gets manastone. creates juicy drama which he is the hero of. identifies 2 fuckwits. what a day.

[TheRusty]

PvP server when??

There's already a PvP server. Current pop 14.

Know why it's so low? Mostly because everquest PvP is trash. But also because it turns out that the people who think they would be absolute badasses and flex on everyone... can't.

You're not going to get a PvP-Green. You can't even keep a standard red going

It's one of those 'you think you want it but you don't" things.

[Widan]

There's already a PvP server. Current pop 14.

Know why it's so low? Mostly because everquest PvP is trash. But also because it turns out that the people who think they would be absolute badasses and flex on everyone... can't.

You're not going to get a PvP-Green. You can't even keep a standard red going

It's one of those 'you think you want it but you don't" things.

Spoken like a true bluebie who never played on red during the 300+ pop days.

[norova]

Grakken confirmed retarded.

[SenoraRaton]

Spoken like a true bluebie who never played on red during the 300+ pop days.

I was there, it was amazing. Not while leveling, but zone wide raid battles of 50 v 50 were simply astounding. It was what raiding should be, rather than a poopsock contest. 10/10 Would play a server with PvP enabled in raid zones only.

[TheRusty]

Spoken like a true bluebie who never played on red during the 300+ pop days.

Current pop 10 on Red, looks like you lost four while typing. While typing on the Green forums, let's note.

Why is that?

[Donkey Hotay]

Grats, Rogean. You'll have these manchildren donating until the end of time for the chance to deny themselves manastones.

[lituviel]

And can you point me to the rule that says you need to be able to solo a mob before you can /list it?


This is where the problem is. I'm stating it misses a rule or a sentence or something to make it clear.
So if there is nothing you have to refer to P99 general rules etablished in 2012 which was used and respected by people since... where :
2. Help understanding what constitutes a 'camp'.
(https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=614444&postcount=2)

"That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed,that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up."



I was actively participating in the camp.

Not when I arrived. Not when Panoramix arrived, neither when the other druid / mages arrived.

You were FD the whole time not participating in camp. You were just waiting for more people because you couldnt kill the mob.


Once again I repeat for the dolls who won't understand that :

"I'm just stating it misses a tune up in the /list rules."
if it's not clear enough...

[TomisFeline]

grakken was silly
but helped in the end
I say give them a break and don't let a public moment of bad judgement ruin their reputation forever on the server like that book not up idiot

want everyone to be welcome here, and it seems like he came to understand why his approach was antisocial already

[TomisFeline]

y'know
forgiveness and compassion and all

continuing to bash him reflects on the basher as much as it does him

[TheRusty]

This is where the problem is. I'm stating it misses a rule or a sentence or something to make it clear.
So if there is nothing you have to refer to P99 general rules etablished in 2012 which was used and respected by people since... where :
2. Help understanding what constitutes a 'camp'.
(https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=614444&postcount=2)

"That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed,that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up."




Not when I arrived. Not when Panoramix arrived, neither when the other druid / mages arrived.

You were FD the whole time not participating in camp. You were just waiting people you couldnt kill the mob.


Once again I repeat for the dolls who won't understand that :

"I'm just stating it misses a tune up in the /list rules."
if it's not clear enought...


And had you grouped with the dude to kill the placeholder, you would get your own elf pixels faster. Like I'm not sure what the hangup here is. Teaming up costs literally nothing; it is in fact of net benefit because it means the placeholder dies faster, thus the list moves faster, expediting your own loot chances.

It's like cooperation creates efficiency or something.

[unleashedd]

camp definition

yes, you can have the camp. the /list function doesnt mandate anyone needs to participate. would be nice, if everyone pitches in, but you guys made it clear to Crovax that you want him to die and possibly lose #1 spot, thus circumventing a function put in to prevent camp monopolization

scenario: war #1 lister and clr #2 lister duoing. clr lets war die towards the end of the fight, finishes EE, and since #1 is not in zone, #2 gets the stone. whos the asshole here? #2 seems like the obvious answer

[lituviel]

And had you grouped with the dude to kill the placeholder, you would get your own elf pixels faster. Like I'm not sure what the hangup here is. Teaming up costs literally nothing; it is in fact of net benefit because it means the placeholder dies faster, thus the list moves faster, expediting your own loot chances.

It's like cooperation creates efficiency or something.

Nope, you were FD'ed in the back we started grouping, we were grouped with them, you didn't even bother accepting the invite.

Panoramix and I engaged the PH.

However you don't show screeshot of following conversation. There's a reason to it.

We ended up helping you to get this started and taking your side and you still put me down.
Whatever, stupidity.


Congratulations, you're a doll.
Now move on.

[lituviel]

yes, you can have the camp. the /list function doesnt mandate anyone needs to participate. would be nice, if everyone pitches in, but you guys made it clear to Crovax that you want him to die and possibly lose #1 spot, thus circumventing a function put in to prevent camp monopolization

Excuse me but I don't want to farm up to 4 manastones if I'm number #4 on the list; it's like being active in a camp for 2 full days.
Obviously you didn't get the point.

[unleashedd]

Excuse me but I don't want to farm up to 4 manastones if I'm number #4 on the list; it's like being active in a camp for 2 full days.
Obviously you didn't get the point.

then you need to only go into lguk when its empty

[lituviel]

then you need to only go into lguk when its empty

You still don't get the point.

[unleashedd]

You still don't get the point.

i got the point that you dont wanna play by the rules, or by PNP

[Zal22]

Excuse me but I don't want to farm up to 4 manastones if I'm number #4 on the list; it's like being active in a camp for 2 full days.
Obviously you didn't get the point.

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[nicemace]

Excuse me but I don't want to farm up to 4 manastones if I'm number #4 on the list; it's like being active in a camp for 2 full days.
Obviously you didn't get the point.

it's in your interest to contribute to the list moving forward to get your item.

if you don't wan't to contribute you don't have to. its your choice that no one else is forcing you to do. but if you don't contribute you might get to the point where the list doesn't move forward for a couple of hours. is that what you want?

working and intended, please do not make any changes to list function.

[lituviel]

yes, you can have the camp. the /list function doesnt mandate anyone needs to participate. would be nice, if everyone pitches in, but you guys made it clear to Crovax that you want him to die and possibly lose #1 spot, thus circumventing a function put in to prevent camp monopolization

scenario: war #1 lister and clr #2 lister duoing. clr lets war die towards the end of the fight, finishes EE, and since #1 is not in zone, #2 gets the stone. whos the asshole here? #2 seems like the obvious answer

Obviously wrong since the warrior have timer to loot the corpse. And if he's not in time to loot it no-one get the stone, cleric get's reported over.

Stop it. This is non-sense.

[lituviel]

it's in your interest to contribute to the list moving forward to get your item.

if you don't wan't to contribute you don't have to. its your choice that no one else is forcing you to do. but if you don't contribute you might get to the point where the list doesn't move forward for a couple of hours. is that what you want?

working and intended, please do not make any changes to list function.

You CAN contribute; but you don't HAVE TO contribute.
That's different and not stated.

Read the thread at least.

[nicemace]

You CAN contribute; but you don't HAVE TO contribute.
That's different and not stated.

Read the thread at least.

thats exactly what i said.

it is in your interest to contribute to keep the line moving forward. but you can choose not to if you want. that is a CHOICE that you make though. if you make that choice then don't complain about the line not moving forward.

[lituviel]

Sorry yes, we're saying the same thing in the end ;p

[unleashedd]

Obviously wrong since the warrior have timer to loot the corpse. And if he's not in time to loot it no-one get the stone, cleric get's reported over.

Stop it. This is non-sense.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337066

15 minutes to return to OOR. prolly impossible for melees bound in nearest city. so #2 is getting the item.

sadly, you cant prove the clr just didnt have connection problems, or some other issue? which is why we need to rely on PNP and name-n-shame. you came into a camp where someone already was at #1 list spot? YOU BECAME HIS GROUP. no questions asked

[Nirgon]

its a CHOICE not to kill a mob for someone else for 4-10 hours? lol ok

[lituviel]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337066

15 minutes to return to OOR. prolly impossible for melees bound in nearest city. so #2 is getting the item.

sadly, you cant prove the clr just didnt have connection problems, or some other issue? which is why we need to rely on PNP and name-n-shame. you came into a camp where someone already was at #1 list spot? YOU BECAME HIS GROUP. no questions asked

This is not the case and will never be in this post, simply not happened. I don't understand why you keep post out of topic stuff.


A group killed PH while the #1 refused to join them as they engaged. Simple as it is.

[Legidias]

Literally 0 evidence has been given by the two people who have been confirmed assholes via in game screen shots and other third party recollection of their actions in other zones.

Give some evidence of all your claims that Crovax didn't participate, cause he's given ample evidence otherwise. Other people even caught Grokken in a lie already.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Are we surprised some players on P99 take issue with a mechanic that encourages people who want loot to be good members of the community and work together to help other people get loot?

This is pure genius on the devs part. I love it.

[Quinas]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

[Veeshan31]

Wow Masterize is still in here being a dick. What else is new.

The only evidence that has been posted has shown that both Masterize and Grakken acted like giant manchildren threatening to tattle.


https://i.imgur.com/DhGE3tA.png

reposted for the lolz

[Grakken]

Literally 0 evidence has been given by the two people who have been confirmed assholes via in game screen shots and other third party recollection of their actions in other zones.

Give some evidence of all your claims that Crovax didn't participate, cause he's given ample evidence otherwise. Other people even caught Grokken in a lie already.

If you referring to someone claiming I was not in Cazic-thule when the server came down, I can tell you they are lying. I was above the 50 enchanter who was farming for rubi pants and on his 30thish cloak, farming for the rubi helm. We were the only two in zone, unless someone snuck in while I wasnt looking. After the reset, enchanter never came back. I stayed for 10ish more minutes.

[Natewest1987]

This whole list system gets stranger as time goes on. I like the suggestion to accumulate time camped at it, and use that to determine list position. That's how it would have been on live, you would camp it for a bit at a time while you could, and if lucky then eventually it would drop. The current system literally requires you to stay at the camp for several drop cycles before you even have a chance at it. That's nuts. It's also nuts that people are having to help other people camp these items so that they can eventually get it themselves. Don't tell me all of you don't secretly hope for someone to die from mobs when they have a camp that you want.

[nectarprime]

This is not the case and will never be in this post, simply not happened. I don't understand why you keep post out of topic stuff.


A group killed PH while the #1 refused to join them as they engaged. Simple as it is.

You are the dumbest person in this thread

[Grakken]

This whole list system gets stranger as time goes on. I like the suggestion to accumulate time camped at it, and use that to determine list position.

I like that as well.

[aaezil]

Funny how people go insane / full autism mode when a hardcoded feature encourages them to team up to move list along but they refuse to participate and stalemate the list in an attempt to get the #1 person to just leave.

Guess bullying people out of camps will never go out of style

[Khikik]

https://i.imgur.com/5lzxXJ6.gif

[Crovax]

A group killed PH while the #1 refused to join them as they engaged. Simple as it is.


Please don't continue to lie. I told them the moment they engage I would help them. I did. And I never stayed FD while any fighting was going on. That is an out right lie. The mage is Minimio. You can ask him. Or the druid Bellezza.

https://i.imgur.com/DhGE3tA.png

Incase you forgot I tried grouping with you (monk) and your friend (druid) and you refused and tried to /petition me and Grakken created this thread here.

And:

https://i.imgur.com/tbuPZw2.png

Me attempting to do it with Grakken as my old party was leaving thinking I was going to be duoing it with Grakken. Then Grakken leaving and refusing to help me with it.

And again. Then Minimio and Bellezza show up (Mage/Druid Combo) and can confirm my story that as soon as they engaged I also engaged. And continued to engage until I got my manastone.

Sorry (to everyone else reading this) for not mentioning their names earlier but because of the tells I been getting in game I wanted to ask them for permission before putting their names out there too. Though now I realize that Minimio name does pop up in one of the screenshots.

[wildstar]

Sooo did the bullied guy get his manastone?

[Modwolf]

Hahaha is this still going on? Best just ignore them, they will never learn. Lost causes.

[Modwolf]

y'know
forgiveness and compassion and all

continuing to bash him reflects on the basher as much as it does him

Have you not read this whole thread?

[Jeni]

Making a thread lying to try to win public opinion was a poor strategy next time use your boxed throwaway account to accidentally train him. If he comes back repeat until he is no longer high enough level to list. Problem solved.

[zaneosak]

This is fucking hilarious. I'm out here just leveling slowly on a class I never played in Everquest before, killing some mobs, making some stready progress, sipping some whiskey when I play, winding down for the evening...... then you got people hyperventilating over an item they wish they had 20 years ago that will help them for 9 months in a 20 year old video game.

[Kron]

Masterize is probably the worst monk I've seen on the server. Loves to threaten petition and try to bully, though hes just a bad that cries a lot in tells.

I hope this dude locked you up for hours.
Stick to your premade gomer.

Hahaha So I'm notthe only one who cringes when this dude in invited into a group. Some people just build a reputation then blame others.

[korzax]

This is fucking hilarious. I'm out here just leveling slowly on a class I never played in Everquest before, killing some mobs, making some stready progress, sipping some whiskey when I play, winding down for the evening...... then you got people hyperventilating over an item they wish they had 20 years ago that will help them for 9 months in a 20 year old video game.

Doesn't everyone want one so they can click it till they die, now that was classic.

[Grakken]

Making a thread lying to try to win public opinion was a poor strategy next time use your boxed throwaway account to accidentally train him. If he comes back repeat until he is no longer high enough level to list. Problem solved.

I didn't lie. I don't have a throwaway account. I wouldn't want someone to train him. I like following the rules.

I made the OP, to suggest solutions to prevent this scenario again. Fate (I keep forgetting his forum name) followed every rule and was never belligerent to me (or vice versa).

I wanted (and still want) a dialogue to alter list rules. I really really like /list giving anyone an opportunity to a camp.

I believe list 1 should have an obligation to bring sufficient force to the camp they are entitled to. List 2-X - I believe - should not have such expectation.

And something needs to be added for group listing and fast. As soon as the masses start camping guise, I think we're going to have a lot of frustration. Right now its almost always open, you get a group together to head over there. You are 10 steps behind the other 5 ppl in the group; but, just because they get there 3 seconds sooner and /list before you, a pecking order has just now been made. All group dynamics to /random for the drop get thrown out the window. People are going to be upset.

The secondary problem I see at guise camp is for TBB. At EE no one really cares who gets the XP. Everyone has a bag, its pretty whatever. It creates a DPS race scenario that NO ONE thinks about or cares about. ASS\SUP is a typical XP\loot camp. I think you're going to end up with people camping assassin for guise and DPS race happens with Supplier.

[Legidias]

Solution: Help him kill the mob so he gets stone faster and you get # 1 faster. That's it.

Anything beyond that is #2+ just being greedy and wanting the #1 out faster without waiting for it like they did.


The other point has already been covered. List is not camp. You can camp TBB specifically, but if guise drops, list gets it.

[Phaezed-Reality]

cross post but i feel like this applies, anyone who needs help killing an list item they can't. hmu.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3026017#post3026017

[lituviel]

The mage is Minimio. You can ask him. Or the druid Bellezza.


And second druid was Panoramix who pulled the merb, and I was there with Masterize , while you were in the back. We were all grouped together. waiting on your answer.
Weird that you don't show further conversation, where you refuse to group. I did not bother take SS of it, but you're still a victim to me.
Yes you woke up and engaged the mob once you saw people were taking it down, you even nuked it to fuck like madman because I'm pretty sure you tho you were being KS'ed.

However I came here that day to help Pano get his stone as he helped me get mine. I wasn't even on the list. It was my entire right to not help the lazy #1 you were.

Keep posting over and over the same picture, keep trying to make yourself feel better.
We know you and me that we invited you to group 10 minutes after I arrived because i decided at this point that we had to get things rolling again. Pretending anything else is a lie.

You're pathetic.

[welly321]

And second druid was Panoramix who pulled the merb, and I was there with Masterize , while you were in the back. We were all grouped together. waiting on your answer.
Weird that you don't show further conversation, where you refuse to group. I did not bother take SS of it, but you're still a victim to me.
Yes you woke up and engaged the mob once you saw people were taking it down, you even nuked it to fuck like madman because I'm pretty sure you tho you were being KS'ed.

However I came here that day to help Pano get his stone as he helped me get mine. I wasn't even on the list. It was my entire right to not help the lazy #1 you were.

Keep posting over and over the same picture, keep trying to make yourself feel better.
We know you and me that we invited you to group 10 minutes after I arrived because i decided at this point that we had to get things rolling again. Pretending anything else is a lie.

You're pathetic.

Autism symptoms and signs

Abnormal Tone of Voice.
Behavioral Disturbances.
Deficits in Language Comprehension.
Inappropriate Social Interaction.

[lituviel]

I believe list 1 should have an obligation to bring sufficient force to the camp they are entitled to. List 2-X - I believe - should not have such expectation.


This, over and over again, people don't understand that THIS is the freaking and most important point.

You can't get other people from list to help you farm your merb. Camp on number #x would be like on 10hours a stone, like impossible to maintain. At the point people are secretly hoping to get higher on the list. And no-one even assume that they wish people lose afk check or have some LD or anything...

Even Corvax this time prefered to hold hostage the mob, it was his right, it's still a shit move to expect other to give you a stone you cannot farm yourself.
It was as bad as any other thing that happened.

[Grakken]

The other point has already been covered. List is not camp. You can camp TBB specifically, but if guise drops, list gets it.

You're right. On paper that's how it should look.

Soon, you're going to see 8-10 ppl sitting in ASS/SUP room waiting in /list. There is going to be a group pulling ASS/SUP area for XP. Its their camp. But, the masses of people killing assassin when it spawns for guise "helping", they are going to routinely KS the group at camp. Also, when SUP spawns and starts hitting the 8-10 ppl sitting there, they are going to kill it to. Also, KSing the group.

The behavior that is expected at EE is going to cause drama at guise in a couple weeks.

[welly321]

You're right. On paper that's how it should look.

Soon, you're going to see 8-10 ppl sitting in ASS/SUP room waiting in /list. There is going to be a group pulling ASS/SUP area for XP. Its their camp. But, the masses of people killing assassin when it spawns for guise "helping", they are going to routinely KS the group at camp. Also, when SUP spawns and starts hitting the 8-10 ppl sitting there, they are going to kill it to. Also, KSing the group.

The behavior that is expected at EE is going to cause drama at guise in a couple weeks.

Its not. Just because you think like this, doesn't mean the majority of players do. The listers will work it out with the group. Only scumbags and autists like yourself and Masterize will have issues. Grow up. Be decent to each other. Dont be scumbags. This advice will serve you well in life.

[AegnorP99]

This, over and over again, people don't understand that THIS is the freaking and most important point.

Seems people understand the point fine. They just don't agree with you.

[Lojik]

This, over and over again, people don't understand that THIS is the freaking and most important point.

You can't get other people from list to help you farm your merb. Camp on number #x would be like on 10hours would be like impossible to maintain. At the point people are secretly hoping to get higher on the list. And no-one even assume that they wish people lose afk check or have some LD or anything...

Even Corvax this time prefered to hold hostage the mob, it was his right, it's still a shit move to expect other to give you a stone you cannot farm yourself.
It was as bad as any other thing that happened.

There is literally 0 expectation that you have to help him camp the item. Only if you want to move up the list, in that case it's in your interest.

From the SS's posted it seems you're both being disingenuous with your arguments anyway, if Grakken accepted to join the group as a healer before Corvax party left, which they did on the condition that the group would keep going.

[lituviel]

There is literally 0 expectation that you have to help him camp the item. Only if you want to move up the list, in that case it's in your interest.



There's no expectation, it's a necessity when the #1 can't clear the PH / EE. This is why it took us a few minutes to get things again rolling. Even if we took 10 minutes reflexion about the situation, in the end he was happily being carried on his camp and ended up with his stone.
The /list works perfectly, it needs a tune up.
If this case happens again it means that you have to stay on your computer more time than possible to get stone farming others before yours. At the point it is not healthy.

That being said, when I farmed my stone I was lvl 35 and not able to solo the EE. I had a friend with me who helped me as I reach #1 in list. And yes I helped the previous guys. But it was my own decision, not an obligation.

[welly321]

There's no expectation, it's a necessity when the #1 can't clear the PH / EE. This is why it took us a few minutes to get things again rolling. Even if we took 10 minutes reflexion about the situation, in the end he was happily being carried on his camp and ended up with his stone.
The /list works perfectly, it needs a tune up.
If this case happens again it means that you have to stay on your computer more time than possible to get stone farming others before yours. At the point it is not healthy.

That being said, when I farmed my stone I was lvl 35 and not able to solo the EE. I had a friend with me who helped me as I reach #1 in list. And yes I helped the previous guys. But it was my own decision, not an obligation.

You are seriously the stupidest person I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with. If your #2 on the list, and you want to get the item, its in your interest to help kill the mob.

[Legidias]

You realize that your image is that you want #1 without waiting for it like he did. It is rife with greed. Crovax's only point was that sure, he can't solo it himself, but he put in the time for it while grouping with previous person and is putting in the time for himself. You just want to skip the time and bully someone out with petition threats.

Do you acknowledge that the only reason you even mentioned petition is to force him out of #1 spot? Cause that's pretty much a universally agreed dick move. Imagine joining literally any PUG group with routinely dropping items, like CB belts or goblin ears, or gems. You join the group as #2 to loot (alpha). The #1 is a lower level cleric when you already have a higher level cleric in group do does most of the heals. You bombard the group saying how the group shouldn't need a lower level cleric and that you're carrying them so they should just leave group and stop draining your xp and that you should be next on list.

Your whole arguement about him being "carried" makes no sense in a game where classes who can't solo exist. According to your logic, clerics are basically 100% carried in any group above lvl 30. So according to you, they don't ever deserve loot or xp. Enchanters in raid situations who have little to contribute are also apparently being carried. Apparently now, every single melee in classic is being carried 30+ cause they can't really solo mobs to XP at that point. This is your arguement.

[Danth]

You are seriously the stupidest person I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with. If your #2 on the list, and you want to get the item, its in your interest to help kill the mob.

If there's a 20-30 hour potential wait for drops, I can certainly see the motivation in trying to push out the #1 slot holder rather than help him. It's a bit ruthless, but there's a definite purpose there.

Danth

[Crovax]

And second druid was Panoramix who pulled the merb, and I was there with Masterize

Did you just post this on the wrong account? You were there with Masterize? You are Masterize. Unless you are Grakken (Which makes the statement that Masterize made when he said 3 petitions and a forum post make sense since Grakken posted this here). Or you could be the druid but then your statement still wouldn't make any sense. And I highly doubt it since the entire time I was there I am not sure the druid said one thing, lol.

But besides that. You should get your story straight. Grakken said the PH didn't die for 2 hours (not sure on the time frame but he statement holds true). Neither he, nor I engaged the PH solo. You and the druid showed up and refused to party as well. Threatened 3 petitions and a forum post (That Grakken made). As soon as Minimio the mage and Bellezza the druid engaged the mob I helped them.

In fact. Look at the chat.

https://i.imgur.com/DhGE3tA.png

You can see you refusing to party and the Minimio showing up and saying, "None want start?" Which seems like a super odd thing to say if you guys were killing it, right? Your story has holes and lies and it is pretty obvious.


Yes you woke up and engaged the mob once you saw people were taking it down, you even nuked it to fuck like madman because I'm pretty sure you tho you were being KS'ed.

You realize that makes no sense, right? I was #1 on claim. I could have did 0 damage and I still would have got the drop. I just didn't want to hear you guys complaining, "Oh he got up but didn't do anything". And yeah. Using your spells on a single mob makes sense when you have enough time to refill your entire mana bar a few times during the wait time for spawn.


However I came here that day to help Pano get his stone as he helped me get mine. I wasn't even on the list. It was my entire right to not help the lazy #1 you were.

Not sure what you are rambling about. Outside of asking for a party when you arrived I never suggested, implied, or in any sort of way hinted that you needed to help me.


Keep posting over and over the same picture, keep trying to make yourself feel better.
We know you and me that we invited you to group 10 minutes after I arrived because i decided at this point that we had to get things rolling again. Pretending anything else is a lie.

You're pathetic.

This is rich. If this was true this thread wouldn't have been created. It is obvious from the very start I was willing to party with Grakken (He was literally in my party at one point), and willing to party with you (Which you refused and told me to leave and that you were going to /petition x3 and post in forum). You may have offered to party after the Druid/Mage showed up but that doesn't change the situation prior to this.

As both Grakken and I have pointed out. After the Druid and mage showed up things were as cordial as can be expected from that point on in game.

Again.

https://i.imgur.com/DhGE3tA.png

I see you saying you won't party with me because I am too low level. I see you threatening to petition/forum post (That Grakken made). I don't see any message saying, "Let's party". And like I said before then you see Minimio show up asking "none want start?" which would be an odd thing for him to say if you guys started. Offering to party after two more people show up and start engaging the mob makes little sense as a redeeming quality. It would be like Grakken coming in and saying, "After 2 hours a /petition/ posting a forum post after two people showed up and were getting ready to engage it I had a change of heart and offered to party!". Offering to party after the fact, and after the situation changed so it isn't necessary doesn't change the past situation.

Your story is getting super sloppy.

[Grakken]

, if Grakken accepted to join the group as a healer before Corvax party left, which they did on the condition that the group would keep going.

This is the part I think most people perceive wrong. Those three may have come to that conclusion. I wasn't in group, I wasn't asked to come heal for them. I was asked if I was listing. I was. They just assumed me being there and listing that I had accepted the responsibility to heal someone.

I just wanted to watch shows till I became list 1 clicking afk checks along the way. Now the situation demands I have to farm someone their manastone, to get to list 1. He even admits he gets lots of resists. I have to do the bulk of the work for someone else. I didn't sign up for that. I'd be happy to sick my pet every 28 minutes; but to bare the full burden and risk of death for someone else (who is willing to) but unable to contribute?

[Legidias]

I just wanted to watch shows till I became list 1 clicking afk checks along the way. Now the situation demands I have to farm someone their manastone, to get to list 1. He even admits he gets lots of resists. I have to do the bulk of the work for someone else. I didn't sign up for that. I'd be happy to sick my pet every 28 minutes; but to bare the full burden and risk of death for someone else (who is willing to) but unable to contribute?

So you came to camp to do the exact thing you're posting that you're annoyed someone else is doing. Okay then.

[Grakken]

Did you just post this on the wrong account? You were there with Masterize? You are Masterize. Unless you are Grakken


I've never met or partied with Masterize up until this camp. I don't know who the other forum poster is, I've never posted on another account.

[Grakken]

So you came to camp to do the exact thing you're posting that you're annoyed someone else is doing. Okay then.

No, When I was list 1, I was fully prepared to solo the camp with all the effort and risk associated with it.

I am unwilling to put in the same effort when I'm list 2, 3 ,4 ... .

[Modus]

If you referring to someone claiming I was not in Cazic-thule when the server came down, I can tell you they are lying. I was above the 50 enchanter who was farming for rubi pants and on his 30thish cloak, farming for the rubi helm. We were the only two in zone, unless someone snuck in while I wasnt looking. After the reset, enchanter never came back. I stayed for 10ish more minutes.

This isn't true.

I was the only person in Cazic-Thule during the crash, and directly after it, as I wanted to see if it would reset the AoF ph. I was camping BP, not legs, and I'm not a level 50 enchanter.

It seems to me he's trying to conflate the timeline with a different time he was in CT. Also, if he was in CT at the time of the crash, how did he arrive in the depths of LGuk so quickly after the server came up? Please post your logs.

Masterize and Grakken seem to have serious problems with truth and integrity - along with poor grammar and syntax - leading me to believe that fetal alcohol syndrome could be a contributing factor.

Please post IRL pics for further diagnosis.

[Legidias]

I am unwilling to put in the same effort when I'm list 2, 3 ,4 ... .

And that right there is why you're an asshole

[lituviel]

Did you just post this on the wrong account? You were there with Masterize? You are Masterize. Unless you are Grakken (Which makes the statement that Masterize made when he said 3 petitions and a forum post make sense since Grakken posted this here). Or you could be the druid but then your statement still wouldn't make any sense. And I highly doubt it since the entire time I was there I am not sure the druid said one thing, lol.

But besides that. You should get your story straight. Grakken said the PH didn't die for 2 hours (not sure on the time frame but he statement holds true). Neither he, nor I engaged the PH solo. You and the druid showed up and refused to party as well. Threatened 3 petitions and a forum post (That Grakken made). As soon as Minimio the mage and Bellezza the druid engaged the mob I helped them.

In fact. Look at the chat.

https://i.imgur.com/DhGE3tA.png

You can see you refusing to party and the Minimio showing up and saying, "None want start?" Which seems like a super odd thing to say if you guys were killing it, right? Your story has holes and lies and it is pretty obvious.



You realize that makes no sense, right? I was #1 on claim. I could have did 0 damage and I still would have got the drop. I just didn't want to hear you guys complaining, "Oh he got up but didn't do anything". And yeah. Using your spells on a single mob makes sense when you have enough time to refill your entire mana bar a few times during the wait time for spawn.



Not sure what you are rambling about. Outside of asking for a party when you arrived I never suggested, implied, or in any sort of way hinted that you needed to help me.



This is rich. If this was true this thread wouldn't have been created. It is obvious from the very start I was willing to party with Grakken (He was literally in my party at one point), and willing to party with you (Which you refused and told me to leave and that you were going to /petition x3 and post in forum). You may have offered to party after the Druid/Mage showed up but that doesn't change the situation prior to this.

As both Grakken and I have pointed out. After the Druid and mage showed up things were as cordial as can be expected from that point on in game.

Again.

https://i.imgur.com/DhGE3tA.png

I see you saying you won't party with me because I am too low level. I see you threatening to petition/forum post (That Grakken made). I don't see any message saying, "Let's party". And like I said before then you see Minimio show up asking "none want start?" which would be an odd thing for him to say if you guys started. Offering to party after two more people show up and start engaging the mob makes little sense as a redeeming quality. It would be like Grakken coming in and saying, "After 2 hours a /petition/ posting a forum post after two people showed up and were getting ready to engage it I had a change of heart and offered to party!". Offering to party after the fact, and after the situation changed so it isn't necessary doesn't change the past situation.

Your story is getting super sloppy.

You are actually the best liar here.
I won't even comment anymore since you are far better liar than anyone else here. I was stating that I don't want to carry your camp. And I still don't since your the best slacker I've seen around

I wasn't even on the list that day and we did invite you right after this conversation picture which you posted 10 times already. You are from now being ignored.
F**k off.

[nectarprime]

You are actually the best liar here.
I won't even comment anymore since you are far better liar than anyone else here. I was stating that I don't want to carry your camo. And I still don't since your the best slacker I've seen around

I wasn't even on the list that day and we did invite you right after this conversation picture which you posted 10 times already. You are from now being ignored.
F**k off.

Stay mad and manastoneless kid

[lituviel]

Stay mad and manastoneless kid

Already have mine. Good luck getting yours.

[nectarprime]

Already have mine. Good luck getting yours.

nah you don't lol. I thought you were done commenting?

[Grakken]

This isn't true.

I was the only person in Cazic-Thule during the crash, and directly after it, as I wanted to see if it would reset the AoF ph. I was camping BP, not legs, and I'm not a level 50 enchanter.

It seems to me he's trying to conflate the timeline with a different time he was in CT. Also, if he was in CT at the time of the crash, how did he arrive in the depths of LGuk so quickly after the server came up? Please post your logs.

Please post IRL pics for further diagnosis.

Modus are you on Teal? There was 100% an Enchanter farming legs (Velith I think) and me farming head at time of crash. And I really don't recall anyone else in zone but us two. Was there a second crash you're thinking of?

I do have my log file when I get home I could post it. But if I did would you accuse me of doctoring it?

Edit: Also, I was bound at EE, and had been since level 30.

[Mercius]

34 pages got dayum

[Israel Adesanya]

Naked elves with low intelligence and weak arms holding items hostage.

[lituviel]

nah you don't lol.

yes I do and I'm not a liar.
I already had mine when I went there that day and I came to help a friend.

https://i.imgur.com/4DosOqx.png

Sorry, still hope you will get yours. You seem full of negativity.

[nectarprime]

yes I do and I'm not a liar.
I already had mine when I went there that day and I came to help a friend.

https://i.imgur.com/4DosOqx.png

Sorry, still hope you will get yours. You seem full of negativity.

fake af lol dumb nerd

[Sagus]

Plot twist...Crovax, Masterize and Grakken are all the same person three-boxing and suffering from multiple personality disorder.

[Natewest1987]

Plot twist...Crovax, Masterize and Grakken are all the same person three-boxing and suffering from multiple personality disorder.

i'd die.

[Crovax]

You are actually the best liar here.
I won't even comment anymore since you are far better liar than anyone else here. I was stating that I don't want to carry your camp. And I still don't since your the best slacker I've seen around

I wasn't even on the list that day and we did invite you right after this conversation picture which you posted 10 times already. You are from now being ignored.
F**k off.


And second druid was Panoramix who pulled the merb, and I was there with Masterize
Did you just post this on the wrong account? You were there with Masterize? You are Masterize.

I could see why you want to pretend I am a liar and you are going to ignore me now. Pretty big slip up there bud.

[Nuggie]

Looks to me like he was saying, "I was there on my character, masterize."

Continue on with the drama.

[aspomwell]

grakken was silly
but helped in the end
I say give them a break and don't let a public moment of bad judgement ruin their reputation forever on the server like that book not up idiot

want everyone to be welcome here, and it seems like he came to understand why his approach was antisocial already

Wait a minute now, someone spill the beans on this book not up idiot... I'm done with this thread and have 2 more hours of work...

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Wait a minute now, someone spill the beans on this book not up idiot... I'm done with this thread and have 2 more hours of work...

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309421&highlight=reputation+worth

Enjoy!

[aspomwell]

Thanks! 54 pages, that'll last into next week! (I won't be wasting my time over the weekend!)

[Polycaster]

And what's up with all the homeless people sleeping in the EC tunnel? I'm all for helping the poor, but I pay my taxes and I shouldn't have to see that kind of thing on my way to work. Someone should do something!

Agreed. We shouldn't have to be exposed to such gross sights, especially when there are perfectly good gator pits in CT to dispose of such unwanted refuse.

[Krazzeekane]

I just read every single post on all 35 pages, this is absolute gold. The amount of backtracking by Grakken and Mez is stunning. I loved Grakken's lie about how he wasn't in the group:
I wasn't in group, I wasn't asked to come heal for them. I was asked if I was listing.

and then when you look at the Screenshot of what was posted, it shows Grakken IN THE GROUP.

https://i.imgur.com/tbuPZw2.png

Does he think people are blind and if he lies hard enough people will believe it? What scumbags we have on this server, this is why new people are scared to come here. This is just sad that people have to be explained to why they should help. For shame..for shame. Your parents would be ashamed of you, of course this is provided that they ever even taught you how to help or about "The Golden Rule" at all. Treat others how you want to be treated, end of story.

[Legidias]

This is just sad that people have to be explained to why they should help. For shame..for shame. Your parents would be ashamed of you, of course this is provided that they ever even taught you how to help or about "The Golden Rule" at all. Treat others how you want to be treated, end of story.

I just wanted to watch shows till I became list 1 clicking afk checks along the way.

I am unwilling to put in the same effort when I'm list 2, 3 ,4 ... .

[lituviel]

More oil onto the fire :

https://i.imgur.com/95dDOwL.jpg

I just arrived on camp, with my friend Pano. This situation at the point of the screenshot been like this for 2 hours. and I repeat: I just arrived.
Am I supposed to carry this guy too for 40 hours more ?

Same case as Corvax, except this rogue 35 is not answering at all.

[lituviel]

And we been part of #teamCorvax now, grouped up, killed the mob, and almost died to the cause :)

35 rogue is still AFK and not doing anything.

https://i.imgur.com/4cXjyXb.jpg

/list still doesn't need a tunes up ?

[bubur]

sitting afk on spot 1 not helping is just as bad as sitting on spot 2 not helping

the whole thread was because corvax was willing to help. thats what made you insane. but if reaper is not helping then yah its lame

[Visual]

Every level 35 rogue should go there. It's free you just gotta wait for other people to kill it for you. Hold the camp for ransom so nobody else can get a stone. Why not

[Ingosoff]

This thread is like a soap opera. I come here everyday to read and have a good laugh.
Not planning to get a Manastone, this is pure madness.

[lituviel]

Us, fighting second mob, the EE itself this time, he did not dare move untill the very end to hit it once or twice.
Then he was waiting next to corpse.

Still refusing to group.


https://i.imgur.com/Y0zdVw2.jpg

[Ataria]

Does he speak English?

Sometimes I find that may be the issue. Most likely not. But perhaps.

On another note, we have been having very good luck today! We have had 3 in that last 11 hours! Tell them that, maybe they will get in gear and start killing.

[Phaezed-Reality]

selling listing 1k per hour, no bullshit. check my rep, im good for it, upfront payment only unless someone else with clout can vouch for you.


edit: did 18 hour jboot list today got em his jboots for 18k. tbh. worth it. list is the most horrible thing only the strongest can do this, and repeatedly, like me.

[lituviel]

So on this exact situation :

#1 is afk, not helping on his own camp.
#2 is afk, not helping #1, not grouping, nothing. Will he ask for help later ?
#3 is helping, being a druid too, will have support when it is required ? What if no-one helps him too ? end of the loop , back on top ?
#4 is my friend. So we have to farm for them in order to get his stone ?

[Seungkyu]

#1 Reaper here.
SURPRISE I am a frequent poster and you thought you could make up lies about me.

I'm not afk, I put you both on ignore. Your friend tried to intimidate me in to leaving and claimed I was holding him hostage when he was there 3-5 MINUTES.

Your friend Panoramix is #2 and Masterize you are currently #3. I know this because I have been present and no one else is here.

Ironically you are now holding me hostage by stopping any reinforcements. Max the level 50 Wizard left because he doesn't want to be #4.

--
Edit
I moved when the mob was almost dead earlier to try helping Rasiel who could have died to EE, risking my life in the process. Rasiel has since left and has gone AFK.

I am sitting here quietly because I didn't trust you not to FD train me. Now that I have seen your lies here I 100% do not trust you. Before it was at 70% due to your bad reputation and association with Panoramix.

[getlostgreg]

https://i.imgur.com/ERoBFTM.gif

[lituviel]

#1 Reaper here.
SURPRISE I am a frequent poster and you thought you could make up lies about me.

I'm not afk, I put you both on ignore. Your friend tried to intimidate me in to leaving and claimed I was holding him hostage when he was there 3-5 MINUTES.

Your friend Panoramix is #2 and Masterize you are currently #3. I know this because I have been present and no one else is here.

Ironically you are now holding me hostage by stopping any reinforcements. Max the level 50 Wizard left because he doesn't want to be #4.

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Edit
I moved when the mob was almost dead earlier to try helping Rasiel who could have died to EE, risking my life in the process.

I am sitting here quietly because I didn't trust you not to FD train me. Now that I have seen your lies here I 100% do not trust you. Before it was at 70% due to your bad reputation and association with Panoramix.


An other liar ?

Numero is #2
Rasiel is #3
Pano is #4
I'm locked out. Here to help pano.

here's a SS proving you're lying.

https://i.imgur.com/CXSUpun.jpg

what's wrong with this camp really ?

Situation was like this for 2 hours when we arrived. I proved it by SS . We're far from "holding you hostage"

[Sillyturtle]

Yeah this thread... Glad I read it.

I will never group with Grakken or Lituviel/Masterize.

Legitimate both scumbags and I am so grateful I know this before ever encountering them in game.

Gross.

[Seungkyu]

Well guess I was wrong on the order of the list. I admit my mistake if Unero is #2 as I don't have see invis.
I've been up 72 hours so that I might have spoken hastily on that. See I'm honest, I admit my mistakes. Look how honest I am, that's my real face on my avatar pic.

Still, Panoramix tried to guilt trip me in to giving up my spot. Claimed I took him hostage, and then claimed I was taking him hostage by not deciding to stay until he got his own manastone. Said we can't kill anything and Panoramix said his friend will come kill when he is #1 on the list.

Here is the screenshot of our conversation.
https://i.ibb.co/jvNDYNP/EQ000610.png

At the end I said he sounded like Cartman from Southpark and put him on ignore.

Edit: and you even put up a screenshot insinuating that I have a script running for auto AFK checking. How am I not supposed to take that as hostile intentions?

There is no hostage situation. There are no terrorists, there is no counter terrorist force. Everyone at this camp is here on our own free will. God Bless America.

[lituviel]

He's just french and use very bad english, and basically told you he doesn't want to carry your camp because you won't be there to help him.

[korzax]

Selfish people think everyone else is also selfish.

[Fammaden]

He's just french and use very bad english, and basically told you he doesn't want to carry your camp because you won't be there to help him.

MAYBE.....you keep the camp moving and then other people show up behind YOU when this guy is done, and then they help you. But you don't care about that because its your little farm crew who doesn't need help and fuck the rest of the world. Just kill the fucking mob, who gives a fuck if he's number one and slacking off, he didn't make the system and neither did you but you're both bound by it.

I'm with the dude in some other thread suggesting that when the item drops everyone on the list does a server generated random 100/1000 or whatever. Then everyone on the list has a vested interest in keeping the spawn dead, of course the list would also grow tenfold probably but fuck it its already a mess.

Hell if we really want to fantasize give the #1 slot's roll a weighted bonus based on how long he's been there. Like /ran 1000, 100 bonus for every hour #1 has been on list. So if he's been on eight hours his random would be 800 - 1000.

[Seungkyu]

he doesn't want to carry your camp because you won't be there to help him.

He never asked for my help, and I never asked for his. If he did, I would have said yes.

No one is forcing him to do anything. It was a perfect conversation, there is no collusion.

[Vexenu]

At this point I'm calling for a total and complete shutdown of French players camping the Manstone until we can figure out what the hell is going on down at the EE camp.

[korzax]

Looks like one little monk is camping the manastone nonstop.

[lituviel]

At this point I'm calling for a total and complete shutdown of French players camping the Manstone until we can figure out what the hell is going on down at the EE camp.

Just preventing people in #1 slot to slack, be active on forums and AFK ingame should do it.
Maybe the guy is commanding his computer in distance and not present so he cannot move his character :p
We're up to 5 mobs without his help since we came to this camp. he still did not move :p

We started kick Ph/EE whatever happened before we came to this camp with Reaper being already afk for more than 2 hours!
#TeamCorvax.

[Fammaden]

Let me guess, these fuckers are Quebecois? I'd wonder if one of them is Boutik but they all seem too coherent so far.

[korzax]

Just preventing people in #1 slot to slack, be active on forums and AFK ingame should do it.
Maybe the guy is commanding his computer in distance and not present so he cannot move his character :p
We're up to 5 mobs without his help since we came to this camp. he still did not move :p

We started kick Ph/EE whatever happened before we came to this camp with Reaper being already afk for more than 2 hours!
#TeamCorvax.

Oh, so being the asshole we all know you are. awesome, keep up the good work.

[Fammaden]

Basically after getting ass pounded in the court of public opinion in this thread they tried to get ahead of the narrative this time by smearing the current number one before he had a chance to complain about them.

Why don't you guys put in the work staying up or sharing a character so you are actually number one at some point instead of constantly trying to fuck with the actual first place list member?

[korzax]

The whole point for them is to grief.

[lituviel]

The whole point for them is to grief.

Whole point is /list could use a tune up to prevent people from doing exactly what is Reaper doing.

[Seungkyu]

Maybe the guy is commanding his computer in distance and not present so he cannot move his character
We're up to 5 mobs... he still did not move
#TeamCorvax.

You got me. I am currently in a Command Center using the most sophisticated military technology to play Everquest.

If you couldn't tell the reason I am behind this rock here is because I don't trust you. I am hiding from you.

https://i.imgur.com/95dDOwL.jpg

[Sarkhan]

It wouldn't surprise me if Masterize & co. Don't get a lot of replies, most likely they will be on a lot of /ignore lists.

It seems the /list is working as intended and giving others a chance which upsets those who want to monopolize the camp. The biggest problem with /list is that manastone is dropping too rarely, not the list itself.

[YendorLootmonkey]

#4 is my friend. So we have to farm for them in order to get his stone ?

I posed this scenario to my 6-year-old nephew, then asked him this question. His response:

"Uncle, won't his friend get his loot quicker if he and his buddy kill the mobs to keep the list moving? Can I go back to playing Roblox now?"

[kjs86z]

Consider Blue today!

[Fammaden]

I bet EE is wide open on blue.

[Seungkyu]

Just got my Manastone and it took 75 hours. Is that a record?

For anyone curious a diplomatic monk named Danthiel asked us to work together using the magic word. Of course I obliged.

Was my last chance as I have a new job working for Amazon starting Monday.

[lituviel]

Just got my Manastone and it took 75 hours. Is that a record?

For anyone curious a diplomatic monk named Danthiel asked us to work together using the magic word. Of course I obliged.

Was my last chance as I have a new job working for Amazon starting Monday.

Congratulations,
We just had ours 2 pop behind yours.

Off from this insane camp now.

[Videri]

Grats, you guys.

[Fammaden]

Oh no will the thread die now?

[Legidias]

Nah, lituviel needs to farm a manastone for his 4th box account, i mean friend

[slayer69]

Why fight with 2 year olds? Win or lose, in the end, you’re still fighting with 2 year olds!

The list doesn’t give you “the camp”. It only gives you loot rights for one specific item. #1 on the list doesn’t own the camp. This, and just about every other scenario was discussed before green and teal went live.

Meet the rules of the list and do your thing... stop worrying about the haters.

Although, I will admit, this is entertaining!

[Gorster]

Oh no will the thread die now?

I'd guess no. The Wonder Twins - Retard Edition don't know when to take the well earned L and keep trying to blow smoke up everyones asses.

[Juntsie]

Juntsie try ta review dis thread fer proffering objective, troll opinion, but head start hurting after half-minute, so Juntsie just go crawl in hole and sleep.

Ancient shiny loots dumb anyway. Now, if dere were only gnomes left for eating for one year, Juntsie would understand. But dumb stone? How it even help??? Help keep regular? No understand da squishies these days.

[nenja]

I posted this in the sticky outlining the List system, and I'm just now seeing this thread, so I figure I'll share the same sentiments here.

Rather than devising mechanics to account for and accommodate the countless ways players will potentially try to game/abuse the system, would it not just make the most sense for any qualifying player (i.e. appropriate level, in zone) be allowed to loot a 'copy' of the item. I.e. The corpse remains for the usual time and every player on the list can loot the corpse to receive a copy of the item? Perhaps keep the one week lockout for those items that are not NO DROP.

I realize this would affect the economy of certain items (e.g. Manastone), but at the end of the day, what are we really accomplishing by creating an unnecessary gate on some of these items? I'm not sure a perceived sense of prestige is a good reason. Overall player enjoyment should be the prevailing principle and while this list system is certainly better than the default behavior, I am not sure either really makes sense. If we all walk away happy, I don't think anyone is going to complain for a moment that some number of other players were also able to receive an item.

The original system exists solely because the producer wanted to ensure players needed to continue to pump revenue into their coffers through continued subs. Keeping a flawed system for the sake of trying to stay true to the original version of the game doesn't always make sense. In other words, doing something because it's always been done a certain way doesn't make it right or, as is often the case here, fun.

[Phaezed-Reality]

hmm nenja, i never thought of verant that way. interesting theory about making items hard to get to profit more. or was that sony at the time? i dont even remember anymore

[Meiva]

Some wont be happy with that. Epeen is all they have left now. Thank goodness they are only the vocal minority. I think yours is just too generous. EQ isn't known for being too generous.

Remove list and do not ever remove manastone drop. It's no longer legacy.

[aaezil]

I posted this in the sticky outlining the List system, and I'm just now seeing this thread, so I figure I'll share the same sentiments here.

Rather than devising mechanics to account for and accommodate the countless ways players will potentially try to game/abuse the system, would it not just make the most sense for any qualifying player (i.e. appropriate level, in zone) be allowed to loot a 'copy' of the item. I.e. The corpse remains for the usual time and every player on the list can loot the corpse to receive a copy of the item? Perhaps keep the one week lockout for those items that are not NO DROP.

I realize this would affect the economy of certain items (e.g. Manastone), but at the end of the day, what are we really accomplishing by creating an unnecessary gate on some of these items? I'm not sure a perceived sense of prestige is a good reason. Overall player enjoyment should be the prevailing principle and while this list system is certainly better than the default behavior, I am not sure either really makes sense. If we all walk away happy, I don't think anyone is going to complain for a moment that some number of other players were also able to receive an item.

The original system exists solely because the producer wanted to ensure players needed to continue to pump revenue into their coffers through continued subs. Keeping a flawed system for the sake of trying to stay true to the original version of the game doesn't always make sense. In other words, doing something because it's always been done a certain way doesn't make it right or, as is often the case here, fun.


The most sick here (dannyl, detoxx, maner types) derive their only enjoyment in EQ from “denying other’s pixels” - their words not mine. Locking down content had been a “feature” of p99 backed by staff forever now sadly thats just the reality. Theres no “competiton” left if everyone gets free pixels in their / the staffs eyes.

[nenja]

A compromise, then, could be to allow #1 to receive the item and everyone else on the list have a certain chance (e.g. 30% or something) of also getting a copy. This is similar to other games' loot systems (e.g. WOW) and I can tell you from personal experience that it make an immense difference in addressing these types of issues.

I would like to believe we can enact change if we encourage and push for better mechanics and not allow a few vocal people dictate them for all. As someone else said much earlier in the thread, this is one reason raid rules are as obscene as they are. Non-instanced raid bosses is the root of it, but that's for another discussion.

[Rooj]

I don't think anyone is going to complain for a moment that some number of other players were also able to receive an item.

You are so incredibly wrong about this. Part of the reason people play Everquest on P99 is its harsh and "hardcore" nature, and the difficulty of obtaining rare items.

Overall player enjoyment should be the prevailing principle

In other words, doing something because it's always been done a certain way doesn't make it right or, as is often the case here, fun.

The staff is trying to recreate Classic EQ - even with all of its issues, even with all of the things that aren't "fun." And many of the players are here for those same reasons. Everyone and their mother running around with a Manastone is not Classic. IMO we probably are already at a non-Classic amount of Manastones.

Do I want QoL features? Yes, but I know they go against the design philosophy of the P99 staff, so I will never expect them, and is one reason I play TLP from time to time. The fact that there is even a list system for legacy items is a pretty fucking incredible spectacle, something people should be way way way more grateful for.

There are things I hate about P99 and things I hate about TLP, and things I love about both, sadly can't have it both ways.

[nenja]

You are so incredibly wrong about this. Part of the reason people play Everquest on P99 is its harsh and "hardcore" nature, and the difficulty of obtaining rare items.

I don't know that I'd go so far as to say "so incredibly wrong." I do agree we want rare items to exist and have meaning when we obtain them. For this reason, I think a % chance system is better than this /list feature. It's a poor solution, really, to an already poor mechanic. I definitely appreciate that the staff is trying to make a change, but this was shortsighted.

[Grakken]

I just read every single post on all 35 pages, this is absolute gold. The amount of backtracking by Grakken and Mez is stunning. I loved Grakken's lie about how he wasn't in the group:


and then when you look at the Screenshot of what was posted, it shows Grakken IN THE GROUP.

https://i.imgur.com/tbuPZw2.png

Does he think people are blind and if he lies hard enough people will believe it? What scumbags we have on this server, this is why new people are scared to come here. This is just sad that people have to be explained to why they should help. For shame..for shame. Your parents would be ashamed of you, of course this is provided that they ever even taught you how to help or about "The Golden Rule" at all. Treat others how you want to be treated, end of story.

I don't think you understood my point. Three people came to the conclusion I was gonna heal for them. I was not one of them. I was not in the group. Five minutes later I joined the group. This idea I had agreed to heal for a group just never happened. Look at them talking to me in say and replying in group. Not the behavior someone would engage in if I was in the group.

[beeshma_nameless]

Why join the group at all anyway 5 minutes later, if you expected someone to solo the ph and EE if it spawned?

[Grakken]

Why join the group at all anyway 5 minutes later, if you expected someone to solo the ph and EE if it spawned?

For the chat. The "pop in 30 seconds" . I fully intended to sick my pet while I was watching TV shows.

[Grakken]

Why join the group at all anyway 5 minutes later, if you expected someone to solo the ph and EE if it spawned?

If people really want to understand my mindset: Imagine you go to camp Hadden, and somebody is there. You were expecting it so, you just plan to afk for 10 hours till they get their earring.

Now imagine when you get there, it is a level 5 druid who can't solo it. And they need you to kill it for them. No one is going to spend 10 hours killing it for him to get to camp it themselves. The /list feature forces it. It needs to be tweaked.

[korzax]

I love the smell of strawman arguments in the morning.

[Legidias]

Imagine playing a multiplayer game and yelling at people for playing a multiplayer game

[YendorLootmonkey]

No one is going to spend 10 hours killing it for him to get to camp it themselves.

Then they don't get an earring until the level 5 gives up. Simple as that.

Imagine the level 5 druid gives up after 40 hours after leaving Hadden up all that time. If people had not been selfish and worked together, that's 4 Hadden spawns the server could have been through, equipping a potential of 4 players with an earring. In your selfish scenario, only 1 Hadden killed.

Now imagine Hadden only drops the earring for a limited time.

We are playing right into the hands of people who want to limit the influx of legacy items into the world.

Fucking work together, people. How hard is swallowing your pride and helping more spawns happen before the item stops dropping?

[strawman]

If people really want to understand my mindset: Imagine you go to camp Hadden, and somebody is there. You were expecting it so, you just plan to afk for 10 hours till they get their earring.

Now imagine when you get there, it is a level 5 druid who can't solo it. And they need you to kill it for them. No one is going to spend 10 hours killing it for him to get to camp it themselves. The /list feature forces it. It needs to be tweaked.

Except that the list has a level requirement

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I love the smell of strawman arguments in the morning.

You really know reddit has invaded when lemmings start throwing around buzzwords like “strawman argument” 50 times a day all of a sudden.

[Crovax]

You really know reddit has invaded when lemmings start throwing around buzzwords like “strawman argument” 50 times a day all of a sudden.

Strawman arguments are a weak way to debate a topic. If reddit didn't exist people would still call out a strawman argument as a strawman argument.

It is telling that instead of trying to rebuttal his argument you are instead whining about him calling someone out on using a strawman tactic.

[Danth]

You really know reddit has invaded when lemmings start throwing around buzzwords like “strawman argument” 50 times a day all of a sudden.

Reddit was around 25 years ago when people were doing the same thing on USENET?


Technology changes, people stay the same.

Danth

[bubur]

i believe we can change danth. even the french canadians

you just have to believe

[korzax]

You really know reddit has invaded when lemmings start throwing around buzzwords like “strawman argument” 50 times a day all of a sudden.

Yes, looks like you don't know what a strawman argument is, you just think it's some buzzword that is new...to you.

[SenoraRaton]

If people really want to understand my mindset: Imagine you go to camp Hadden, and somebody is there. You were expecting it so, you just plan to afk for 10 hours till they get their earring.

Now imagine when you get there, it is a level 5 druid who can't solo it. And they need you to kill it for them. No one is going to spend 10 hours killing it for him to get to camp it themselves. The /list feature forces it. It needs to be tweaked.

The list is the list, and the camp is the camp. We explained this 30 pages ago very clearly.

[Phaezed-Reality]

The list is the list, and the camp is the camp. We explained this 30 pages ago very clearly.

we should probably go over it again.

alot of these people arn't erudites and have low base int.


for alot of you, the only way your going to get a manastone is using listing services such as these. Thats the pure and simple. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341154

[Nirgon]

You need to account share like the rest of the people doing the stone. Brother Ramal is offering a 1k per hour service if you want a chance.

[RolonRolon]

A+. this is why i play this game of ForumQuest Green.

[kauvian]

Not sure why people are pretending like I am level 5 and want someone to kill it for me. I am the appropriate level for the /list and have been willing to help from the very beginning before Grakken or anyone else showed up.

I'm not going to harp on this specific instance, but the whole idea of the list in general. I understand why it was needed, I really do. Quantifying what level the minimum for a list is tough, because if you have a party it doesn't need to be as high. If you're solo it needs to be higher...

The real issue is people who can't clear / effectively camp items solo are listing and expecting help from others when they should probably just go level or bring their own group instead.

Something similar to this scenario happened to me, I was grouped with someone and they asked if they could solo the mobs for xp. I don't care, I dropped group and feigned. Coming back every 5-10 minutes to check on my afk box status, because at this point I don't have any real reason to be there. I come back and he's dead, I have a bunch of tells asking me to de-list for him so he can get back to number one. At this point I have a moral dilemma, either I become a huge dick and tell him no or I just leave and tell him he needs to solo it all on his own. To avoid conflict on a 'game' I log off and tell him that if he can't solo the content he should probably get a group to help him or he should wait until he was high enough of a level to solo the content.

So what is the right call? It's a tough answer and part of me wishes they would just raise the list level on all the items to 50 with a month long lockout, with some GM oversight about solo 50's sniping/being excluded from groups. The other option is to continue letting people snail their way to loot on the backs of others. They're both shitty options so you take your pick, but in the end it represents the community of p99 and maybe we should take better ownership of ourselves?

[YendorLootmonkey]

maybe we should take better ownership of ourselves?

I completely respect this sentiment, but you must be relatively new to P99. :)