A proposal to help list items move quickly

[chaos1990]

All listers must damage the listed mob 10% over 2-3 spawns (numbers are up to devs obviously). This would prevent afking and letting the mob stall needlessly because several individuals can't get on the same page about downing the mob in a timely manner helps all persons involved

[cd288]

All listers must damage the listed mob 10% over 2-3 spawns (numbers are up to devs obviously). This would prevent afking and letting the mob stall needlessly because several individuals can't get on the same page about downing the mob in a timely manner helps all persons involved

Confused. Thought you can't afk while on the list because it checks like every few minutes

[Baler]

I've had a couple arguments with players who sit on the list and don't help or go off to the edge of the radius and kill other mobs.

Yeah I think it should be required to do some damage to the list mob/PH over a few spawns.

[cd288]

I've had a couple arguments with players who sit on the list and don't help or go off to the edge of the radius and kill other mobs.

Yeah I think it should be required to do some damage to the list mob/PH

Ohhhh I see what you're saying. They aren't AFK but they're not helping either.

Idk. I'm divided. What if by some small chance something goes wrong and they get killed and can't get back in time to keep their spot on the list?

[chaos1990]

Ohhhh I see what you're saying. They aren't AFK but they're not helping either.

Idk. I'm divided. What if by some small chance something goes wrong and they get killed and can't get back in time to keep their spot on the list?

All listed items are duoable besides like..if two rogues show up.
If they did they couldnt keep an evil eye dead. The proposal is 10-20% over 2-3 spawns so that there's flexibility. Also if noone kills the ph you can infinitely keep doing the afk checks until someone starts the fight to keep your list place.

But if they are consistently being attempted to be killed by a person on the list and you do no damage I feel you should be kicked from the list.

[Baler]

Also if noone kills the ph you can infinitely keep doing the afk checks until someone starts the fight to keep your list place.
I'm not feeling this part of the idea...

There has to be a balance for the casuals and neckbeards. I think the main concern is making sure everyone is participating whom is on the list.

[skipdog]

I don't understand what problem this is trying to solve. Why would someone be stalling the PH/mob? How does that benefit them?

You guys expect everyone on the list to stand on the PH and "help" others kill it? Ridiculous.

[Baler]

I don't understand what problem this is trying to solve. Why would someone be stalling the PH/mob? How does that benefit them?

You guys expect everyone on the list to stand on the PH and "help" others kill it? Ridiculous.

People aren't necessarily stalling. What they're doing is not participating at all and just passing afk checks.

If you want a list item why wouldn't you help kill to try and move it along faster? Or else why are you even on the list. In hopes that people get so disheartened they give up and you magically become first? That's messed up.

[M.J.]

I don't understand what problem this is trying to solve. Why would someone be stalling the PH/mob? How does that benefit them?

You guys expect everyone on the list to stand on the PH and "help" others kill it? Ridiculous.

They would literally be helping themselves. But yes in P99 land this logic checks out.

[Daldaen]

I think most list items will sort themselves out fairly quickly except Manastone. Guise is the common drop, JBoots many people will wait for AC, and Rubicite BP is sort of out of the way and quickly replaced in Kunark.

The main reason Manastone won’t sort itself out is due to the item being artificially rare, seemingly a 5% drop rate when everything else in classic is around a 25% chance to drop if it’s considered the rare item on a named mobs loot table. Another reason is allowing listing every week. People should get to list for an item once on each character and never again.

If they fixed Manastone drop rate and changed list to be a once per character lifetime limitation most list issues would resolve on their own.

[skipdog]

They would literally be helping themselves. But yes in P99 land this logic checks out.

If they want to help, that's great. But making it mandatory in order to hold your spot on the list?

Ridiculous.

[Cen]

People aren't necessarily stalling. What they're doing is not participating at all and just passing afk checks.

If you want a list item why wouldn't you help kill to try and move it along faster? Or else why are you even on the list. In hopes that people get so disheartened they give up and you magically become first? That's messed up.

I havent made it that far yet but I dont want to be accused of ksing if I'm not the active group

[Baler]

I havent made it that far yet but I dont want to be accused of ksing if I'm not the active group

I see what you did there but the list doesn't work that way.

anyone killing the list mob is encouraged.

[Jeni]

I will demand the peasants farm faster for me while I lie semi afk in the corner. Berating them if they take too long to farm my item for me. I have like 50 more episodes of grey’s anatomy to get through so I should be good for a few more days of afking.

[M.J.]

I will demand the peasants farm faster for me while I lie semi afk in the corner. Berating them if they take too long to farm my item for me. I have like 50 more episodes of grey’s anatomy to get through so I should be good for a few more days of afking.

I do look forward to rogues eventually showing up to Najena when no one is there on /list.... and staying there until someone shows up to farm it for them =D

[turbosilk]

Could do crazy stuff like bring a friend or two to help you camp?

[M.J.]

Could do crazy stuff like bring a friend or two to help you camp?

Proactive rogues.... heh.

[uygi]

...Manastone won’t sort itself out is due to the item being artificially rare, seemingly a 5% drop rate when everything else in classic is around a 25% chance to drop if it’s considered the rare...

Disagree, this is wishful thinking. There are plenty of very rare items. Are you saying FBSS is 25+%? Is Hooded Black Cloak? I haven’t camped these since Blue pre-Kunark, but aren’t they pretty rare? Razing Sword of Skarlon is incredibly rare.

Plus there’s a huge number of legacy items on Green/Teal. They doubled the drop rate when they split the population. I’m certain that Blue had way more guises and manastones than any Live server ever did, and I bet Green/Teal post merge will have substantially more than every Live server combined. The number of manastones per capita is already going to be outrageously unclassicly high, and we’re whining that the drop rate should be ~5x higher?

[Cuktus]

I don't think making damage mandatory is a good way to manage this. Just to many ways for an innocent player to get booted off the list. Say you on a list for jboots with a 50wizard who just ICs the mob to the next verse before you even see its up. Be a hell of a way to cheat the system.

[Starweaver]

easier to just boot the person at the top of the list if the mob or it's ph isn't engaged for 30 minutes.

[DMN]

5% drop rate? what? that's certainly not classic, it was actually one of the more common "rares" like the mith 2 hander on king.

[chaos1990]

5% drop rate? what? that's certainly not classic, it was actually one of the more common "rares" like the mith 2 hander on king.

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