<Aftermath> to Classic WoW

[ajohnymous]

Sorry, I mean, hey guys let's share some mobs! This is totally us being genuine! Trust me.

[feniin]

Detoxx, that classy, altruistic, upstanding fellow. Always looking out for the lesser guilds of the server.

[Pyrrhica]

A true champion of the casuals!

[Baylan295]

I'm really curious why the guild that fought for months (until Llandris intervened) against a Ring War rotation, and a Tunare rotation, suddenly wants to not kill the best mob in the game.

Do you think it might be because they haven't gotten a competitive one in two months?

[Littul Jonn]

Well, why not? :D

[pogs4ever]

interest renewed in p99 blue! gonna be fun

[Vianna]

Imagine that. Riot members starting a thread to try to discredit a great idea made by a person they try to paint as evil. Zerg must be fed so we gotta discredit him now in some form or fashion. Am I right ?

[feniin]

Instead of working out an agreement like an adult, he jumped to the forum to try to paint Riot as monsters if they don't agree to his ultimatum. Makes sense. Classic Toxx.

[Vianna]

Instead of working out an agreement like an adult, he jumped to the forum to try to paint Riot as monsters if they don't agree to his ultimatum. Makes sense. Classic Toxx.

I didn't see him paint your guild as a monster ??? He proposed an agreement that your crew immediately ran to RNF with.

[Yoink1986]

Because it’s detoxx...:-)

[bspa0700]

I see zero toxicity from Detoxx, zero slander towards Riot, and just a great offer to the rest of the server.

I'm not sure why this is even in RNF.

[rezzie]

Irrespective of the motives, the effect is undoubtedly a win for the smaller guilds that Riot leadership has (allegedly) being championing.

Aftermath was accused of being the proverbial blocker of any harmony on the server. Here you go (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=332264). It's not a bluff.

Let's hope Riot's hypocrisy doesn't prevent this one from going through.

[feniin]

I didn't see him paint your guild as a monster ??? He proposed an agreement that your crew immediately ran to RNF with.

Where was this willingness to leave mobs for the last 4 months when there were pushes to leave mobs for the rest of the server? He was 100% against rotations on anything until he started losing mobs to better players.

He's doing this because his guild is not competitive and he's leaving the server. Sorry you're buying into the bullshit. Also there's no way that Detoxx typed that by himself.

[Wonkie]

i bet AM would agree to a rotation if it meant Riot gets less pixels

[reznor_]

Riot salt concentration higher than the Dead Sea. Way to shit on a nice suggestion.

[Baylan295]

Irrespective of the motives, the effect is undoubtedly a win for the smaller guilds that Riot leadership has (allegedly) being championing.

Aftermath was accused of being the proverbial blocker of any harmony on the server. Here you go (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=332264). It's not a bluff.

Let's hope Riot's hypocrisy doesn't prevent this one from going through.

Unfortunately, Riot can't respond in that forum because no one in Riot has access to the Raid Forum. I suppose the UN channel, where Riot started the conversation earlier tonight, and months ago, is where it'll have to get hashed out.

[feniin]

Riot salt concentration higher than the Dead Sea. Way to shit on a nice suggestion.

Were you in the p99 UN channel when this sort of thing was brought up and Detoxx shit all over it?

[Daloon]

Were you in the p99 UN channel when this sort of thing was brought up and Detoxx shit all over it?
Well it's here now. Let the casuals have some fun in ToV for once.

[Not_Mikeo]

Nevermind that AM hasn't killed a contested Vulak since spring...what a generous parting gift from Detoxx on his way out the server!

https://i.imgur.com/P0IaOeU.gif

[feniin]

Well it's here now. Let the casuals have some fun in ToV for once.

Oh, how kind of you to give away mobs you don't kill.

[Syche]

This is their typical spin. Shit gets pushed in, they use other guilds to compete, still gets shit pushed in, time for a Hail Mary!

[Wonkie]

anything to deny pixels to the competition

[feniin]

https://i.imgur.com/ScY3pvD.png

Looks like they're not willing to rotate anything they actually kill...

[Ripqozko]

Riot sure us salty. Let the casuals have fun .

[Wonkie]

Riot sure us salty. Let the casuals have fun .

you might say they "see through your obvious bullshit"

[ajohnymous]

Riot sure us salty. Let the casuals have fun .

Calling someone out on their bullshit is not the same thing as salty. Sure it easier to dismiss people though, isn't it?

[titanshub]

https://i.imgur.com/K4vnluH.gif

[Vianna]

The spin by Riot is interesting to witness. Detoxx is the toxic one guys we swear. This conversation should stay in the privacy of the UN channel and not for everyone to witness guys. We don't want you all seeing us decline the offer.

[Aethor]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxx View Post
I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals.

It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately.

[Ripqozko]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxx View Post
I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals.

It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately.

Spin spin spin, casuals you'll have every other inner tov. That's a damn good offer assuming riot actually cares about you.

[Not_Mikeo]

https://i.imgur.com/MrOpanh.png

[Ripqozko]

https://i.imgur.com/MrOpanh.png

Do you not care for the casuals?

[Aethor]

Aftermath IS the casuals now lol.

[Not_Mikeo]

Do you not care for the casuals?

I'm apparently not as liberal and progressive as AM is, willing to not kill mobs that they don't kill.

[bspa0700]

The spin by Riot is interesting to witness. Detoxx is the toxic one guys we swear. This conversation should stay in the privacy of the UN channel and not for everyone to witness guys. We don't want you all seeing us decline the offer.

[Ripqozko]

The spin by Riot is interesting to witness. Detoxx is the toxic one guys we swear. This conversation should stay in the privacy of the UN channel and not for everyone to witness guys. We don't want you all seeing us decline the offer.

[Aethor]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxx View Post
I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals.

It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately.


^ Dont paint this guy like he's some sort of hero.. The entire server knows AM is the bad guys lol.

[Swish2]

Fun watching AM requote an AM post like there's no spin happening.

[Ripqozko]

Fun watching AM requote an AM post like there's no spin happening.

Funny watching you talk without mentioning bda

[pogs4ever]

This is why I play here.

[gkmarino]

Root Detoxx in his lair!

[Baylan295]

https://pastebin.com/A01R4uBx

For anyone that cares about how tonight’s conversation went, before Detoxx offered up the inner ring. This is in EST.

[Swish2]

Funny watching you talk without mentioning bda

You know you upset someone when they bring up stuff from years ago.

[Wonkie]

You know you upset someone when they bring up stuff from years ago.

Dude

[gutterbrain]

Posting in a legendary thread.

[Vianna]

https://pastebin.com/A01R4uBx

For anyone that cares about how tonight’s conversation went, before Detoxx offered up the inner ring. This is in EST.

So Riots decides to "Leave targets up just a couple hours" to give guilds a chance. Heck dude most small guilds (Depending when a mob spawns) can't get 20 people online within a couple of hours. I like how when VP was offered in that conversation Riot went straight to "Hold up we said only leaving mobs up a couple of hours".

[Baylan295]

So Riots decides to "Leave targets up just a couple hours" to give guilds a chance. Heck dude most small guilds (Depending when a mob spawns) can't get 20 people online within a couple of hours. I like how when VP was offered in that conversation Riot went straight to "Hold up we said only leaving mobs up a couple of hours".

Did you even read, bro? Riot specifically said we’d agree to one week Us/AM and another week everyone else, effectively cutting our VP haul in half. Detoxx wouldn’t even agree to that.

[reznor_]

https://pastebin.com/A01R4uBx

For anyone that cares about how tonight’s conversation went, before Detoxx offered up the inner ring. This is in EST.

All I learned from this is that Arthion and Planarity (who is not an actual math guy btw lmao) are, like you, insufferable.

[Swish2]

Imagine getting on the Aftermath batphone to request assistance with an RNF thread past midnight EST.

[Vianna]

Did you even read, bro? Riot specifically said we’d agree to one week Us/AM and another week everyone else, effectively cutting our VP haul in half. Detoxx wouldn’t even agree to that.

Yeah after being called out for their hypocrisy. This is why the discussion needs to be public. Which I imagine is why Detoxx came public with it. Riot will only go so far and then argue.

[feniin]

AM is probably issuing responder DKP for this thread.

[ajohnymous]

Yeah after being called out for their hypocrisy. This is why the discussion needs to be public. Which I imagine is why Detoxx came public with it. Riot will only go so far and then argue.

Detoxx posted it in a channel where a very select few can post which leaves zero room for discussion. The pastebin is from a Discord server where the major guilds have all of their officers in. I'm not sure where else this discussion would happen.

From what I read on that pastebin, Riot was trying to open a discussion with everyone about the raid scene and the AM people were responding with argumentative, inflammatory, and/or accusatory statements.

[Vianna]

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I guess a nerve got hit. But if you want to trash guilds do it publicly so people can see the type of people we are dealing with.

[Baylan295]

Yeah after being called out for their hypocrisy. This is why the discussion needs to be public. Which I imagine is why Detoxx came public with it. Riot will only go so far and then argue.

The conversation was initiated by Riot. It was initiated months ago when we suggested Tormax. That was met with no response.

Claim what you want, but Detoxx’s proposal is one last parting shot of a failing guild after realizing he’s lost.

It also conspicuously leaves out any mobs AM is good at.

Doesn’t matter tho. We’ll work out something that makes sense.

[Vianna]

Detoxx posted it in a channel where a very select few can post which leaves zero room for discussion. The pastebin is from a Discord server where the major guilds have all of their officers in. I'm not sure where else this discussion would happen.

From what I read on that pastebin, Riot was trying to open a discussion with everyone about the raid scene and the AM people were responding with argumentative, inflammatory, and/or accusatory statements.

No both AM officers was offering up better options for smaller guilds. Not a 2 hour window from when a mob spawns. As I already pointed out most smaller guilds can't even field a raid force to kill some targets depending when they spawn. A 2 hour window would continue to lock almost everyone outside of the large guilds out of content.

The one time Kittens and friends killed Vyemm as an example it took them close to 4 hours to get it done. It seems to me Monrezz and Detoxx hit the nail on the head with their offers and you guys continue to be blind to the reality of smaller guilds.

[Not_Mikeo]

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I guess a nerve got hit. But if you want to trash guilds do it publicly so people can see the type of people we are dealing with.

I'm sorry your guild is in the shitter.

[imsorryGMs]

https://pastebin.com/A01R4uBx

For anyone that cares about how tonight’s conversation went, before Detoxx offered up the inner ring. This is in EST.
Wow lol

[Baylan295]

No both AM officers was offering up better options for smaller guilds. Not a 2 hour window from when a mob spawns. As I already pointed out most smaller guilds can't even field a raid force to kill some targets depending when they spawn. A 2 hour window would continue to lock almost everyone outside of the large guilds out of content.

The one time Kittens and friends killed Vyemm as an example it took them close to 4 hours to get it done. It seems to me Monrezz and Detoxx hit the nail on the head with their offers and you guys continue to be blind to the reality of smaller guilds.

Who ever said anything about a two hour window? No one in the UN channel, that I saw.

[Vianna]

The conversation was initiated by Riot. It was initiated months ago when we suggested Tormax. That was met with no response.

Claim what you want, but Detoxx’s proposal is one last parting shot of a failing guild after realizing he’s lost.

It also conspicuously leaves out any mobs AM is good at.

Doesn’t matter tho. We’ll work out something that makes sense.

This whole comment makes you seem insincere. You act like AM didn't just kill the 2 best mobs in the game this week (Dozekar and KT). Which is also besides the point. You are trying to deflect from the fact that the AM officers made a better proposal for smaller guilds and your guild balked almost immediately.

[ajohnymous]

No both AM officers was offering up better options for smaller guilds. Not a 2 hour window from when a mob spawns. As I already pointed out most smaller guilds can't even field a raid force to kill some targets depending when they spawn. A 2 hour window would continue to lock almost everyone outside of the large guilds out of content.

The one time Kittens and friends killed Vyemm as an example it took them close to 4 hours to get it done. It seems to me Monrezz and Detoxx hit the nail on the head with their offers and you guys continue to be blind to the reality of smaller guilds.

I didn't see anyone in Riot outright dismissing the idea of a rotation with smaller guilds. In fact, they offered one with VP:


Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.


It did not appear to be well received.

[Vianna]

Who ever said anything about a two hour window? No one in the UN channel, that I saw.

Are you blind.

Riot will agree to not contest Feshlak, Gozzrem and Telk (say - for 2 or 3 hours?), if Aftermath will also agree.

[feniin]

No both AM officers was offering up better options for smaller guilds. Not a 2 hour window from when a mob spawns. As I already pointed out most smaller guilds can't even field a raid force to kill some targets depending when they spawn. A 2 hour window would continue to lock almost everyone outside of the large guilds out of content.

The one time Kittens and friends killed Vyemm as an example it took them close to 4 hours to get it done. It seems to me Monrezz and Detoxx hit the nail on the head with their offers and you guys continue to be blind to the reality of smaller guilds.

Even your own guild leadership thinks you're a tard. Stop being so daft.

Kittens and crew killed Yelinak on the first try with time to spare. Kittens and crew killed Vyemm (server first rooted Vyemm). Two or three times. Two hours is plenty of time to get people online for a mob, especially for the 4th Slot collaboration.

[Baylan295]

This whole comment makes you seem insincere. You act like AM didn't just kill the 2 best mobs in the game this week (Dozekar and KT). Which is also besides the point. You are trying to deflect from the fact that the AM officers made a better proposal for smaller guilds and your guild balked almost immediately.

... no one has balked, and Detoxx’s proposal leaves out both KT and Doze, but includes a top tier mob they haven’t killed competitively in two months.

[Not_Mikeo]

You act like AM didn't just kill the 2 best mobs in the game this week (Dozekar and KT).

Odd that these weren't offered up in the rotation if they're mobs that AM actually kills once in a while...

[Baylan295]

Are you blind.

Riot will agree to not contest Feshlak, Gozzrem and Telk (say - for 2 or 3 hours?), if Aftermath will also agree.

Admittedly blind.

[baakss]

I didn't see anyone in Riot outright dismissing the idea of a rotation with smaller guilds. In fact, they offered one with VP:


Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.


It did not appear to be well received.

AM is eager to rotate mobs they can't compete on, ala inner ring ToV.

KT, Doze, Trips, etc. are not suggested because they feel like AM has a shot. Low numbers required to kill, just a coth / fte race.

[imsorryGMs]

I didn't see anyone in Riot outright dismissing the idea of a rotation with smaller guilds. In fact, they offered one with VP:


Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.


It did not appear to be well received.

Because AM blows in VP. Even upping the dkp to 25 a kill on select vp targets did nothing except increase the number of people on responder logs. They won't agree to being in a competitive vp rotation slot with riot because they'll continue to lose.

[Vianna]

I didn't see anyone in Riot outright dismissing the idea of a rotation with smaller guilds. In fact, they offered one with VP:


Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.


It did not appear to be well received.

Which was the correct thing to decline. If everyone is talking about smaller guilds consumption of content. 2 weeks a month for the best equipped smaller guild to kill VP doesn't go far enough. Rotating it between every guild that is capable is a better option to open the content to people.

Let me just spell it out to you with examples. Riot and AM competes one week. AG clean sweeps VP the next week (Just using them as an example). AM/Riot competes the next week. What is to stop AG from doing the exact same thing the 4th week ? Getting a rotation between all guilds is the only way to do this correctly.

[Baylan295]

Because AM blows in VP. Even upping the dkp to 25 a kill on select vp targets did nothing except increase the number of people on responder logs. They won't agree to being in a competitive vp rotation slot with riot because they'll continue to lose.

To be honest watching me try and pull Nexona this week indicated I also blow in VP and need practice.

[Baylan295]

Which was the correct thing to decline. If everyone is talking about smaller guilds consumption of content. 2 weeks a month for the best equipped smaller guild to kill VP doesn't go far enough. Rotating it between every guild that is capable is a better option to open the content to people.

Let me just spell it out to you with examples. Riot and AM competes one week. AG clean sweeps VP the next week (Just using them as an example). AM/Riot competes the next week. What is to stop AG from doing the exact same thing the 4th week ? Getting a rotation between all guilds is the only way to do this correctly.

You do realize Detoxx just took that exact same concept you just bashed and applied it to the inner ring, right?

Lazie, bro, c’mon

[feniin]

Which was the correct thing to decline. If everyone is talking about smaller guilds consumption of content. 2 weeks a month for the best equipped smaller guild to kill VP doesn't go far enough. Rotating it between every guild that is capable is a better option to open the content to people.

Let me just spell it out to you with examples. Riot and AM competes one week. AG clean sweeps VP the next week (Just using them as an example). AM/Riot competes the next week. What is to stop AG from doing the exact same thing the 4th week ? Getting a rotation between all guilds is the only way to do this correctly.

So, what you're saying is that if Riot and AM don't get it, AG will? Isn't that what every non-compete rotation will be? Where does 4th Slot fit in?

[Aethor]

Vianna.. are you retarded?

[Vianna]

Because AM blows in VP. Even upping the dkp to 25 a kill on select vp targets did nothing except increase the number of people on responder logs. They won't agree to being in a competitive vp rotation slot with riot because they'll continue to lose.

So again we see this is only about what Riot wants ? AM offered up maybe killing VP once every 6 weeks in a rotation. So that smaller guilds with keys have an opportunity. That was too much for Riot to give up.

[feniin]

Vianna.. are you retarded?

Yes.

[Fifield]

8 pages already you guys are killing it

[Vianna]

So, what you're saying is that if Riot and AM don't get it, AG will? Isn't that what every non-compete rotation will be? Where does 4th Slot fit in?

You have a comprehension problem. I said THIS is why a rotation between all guilds needs to be established. That was the example for why you can't just say "One week we compete and the next we just leave it alone". Because then only a 3rd guild will see the content.

[feniin]

So again we see this is only about what Riot wants ? AM offered up maybe killing VP once every 6 weeks in a rotation. So that smaller guilds with keys have an opportunity. That was too much for Riot to give up.

I don't think Aftermath can really negotiate which mobs Riot can't kill when Aftermath cannot kill said mobs. Let's offer up some Tormax, Statue, Dozekar, Dains. Trips/Doubles.

[Vianna]

Yes.

Look at Riot go. Get slapped in the face with their hypocrisy and people are retarded for pointing it out.

[Aethor]

So again we see this is only about what Riot wants ? AM offered up maybe killing VP once every 6 weeks in a rotation. So that smaller guilds with keys have an opportunity. That was too much for Riot to give up.

Exactly, Aftermath is hardly competitive anymore. AM is lucky anyone is even asking their opinion of the raid scene/rotations at this point.

[Baylan295]

So again we see this is only about what Riot wants ? AM offered up maybe killing VP once every 6 weeks in a rotation. So that smaller guilds with keys have an opportunity. That was too much for Riot to give up.

Actually AM offered up AM/Riot/Everyone else in VP

[Vianna]

I don't think Aftermath can really negotiate which mobs Riot can't kill when Aftermath cannot kill said mobs. Let's offer up some Tormax, Statue, Dozekar, Dains. Trips/Doubles.

Hahaha. So AM was just dying according to you guys. But you just listed off 4 of the best mobs in the game that they kill. Regularly enough to worry you. So instead of worrying about what is good for smaller guilds this suddenly turns into "What can you give to us specificallly". Instead of just working on something that is good for everyone.

[feniin]

You have a comprehension problem. I said THIS is why a rotation between all guilds needs to be established. That was the example for why you can't just say "One week we compete and the next we just leave it alone". Because then only a 3rd guild will see the content.

Oh, so rotate the entire server after, I don't know, 4 months ago, you were completely against the idea of rotations of any sort? Can't compete so now you have to join the rotation bandwagon?

Your memory might be short but I personally was dealing with Monrezz and Detoxx and their pushback against rotations. And Detoxx's hissy fits when he didn't get his way, threatening to pull out of EVERY agreement.

[ajohnymous]

Exactly, Aftermath is hardly competitive anymore. AM is lucky anyone is even asking their opinion of the raid scene/rotations at this point.

Ouch.

[feniin]

Hahaha. So AM was just dying according to you guys. But you just listed off 4 of the best mobs in the game that they kill. Regularly enough to worry you. So instead of worrying about what is good for smaller guilds this suddenly turns into "What can you give to us specificallly". Instead of just working on something that is good for everyone.

You give up nothing - that's not how a compromise works. You've put nothing on the table. You're betting someone else's chips.

[Aethor]

Actually AM offered up AM/Riot/Everyone else in VP

^ This, Arcler said AM/Riot dont need 2 separate windows, we can compete against eachother - Detoxx declined, saying AM deserves a handicap XD

[feniin]

Exactly, Aftermath is hardly competitive anymore. AM is lucky anyone is even asking their opinion of the raid scene/rotations at this point.

YIKES. Aethor spittin' fire.

[Vianna]

Actually AM offered up AM/Riot/Everyone else in VP

Your reading skills again fail you

DetoxxToday at 6:45 PM
vp sounds like a good zone to open up for all to experience
i know that any guild that radis has enough keys now
rotating vp would be a good start
still some bis loot for everyone in there
afterall it is year 5 of velious

[Baylan295]

Your reading skills again fail you

DetoxxToday at 6:45 PM
vp sounds like a good zone to open up for all to experience
i know that any guild that radis has enough keys now
rotating vp would be a good start
still some bis loot for everyone in there
afterall it is year 5 of velious

Dude, keep reading. Right around 20 minutes after that is when the real conversation starts.

The hours idea was to keep things with a competitive flavor. An idea Riot testes with Yeli. It worked.

Arth asked what smaller guilds wanted to see. Detoxx said he was done.

How is Riot’s the unreasonable position?

[Baylan295]

Your reading skills again fail you

DetoxxToday at 6:45 PM
vp sounds like a good zone to open up for all to experience
i know that any guild that radis has enough keys now
rotating vp would be a good start
still some bis loot for everyone in there
afterall it is year 5 of velious

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
im fine with vp rotation of am / riot / anyone else until we see who actually can kill there then we can extend the rotation

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.

Here ya go

[Vianna]

You give up nothing - that's not how a compromise works. You've put nothing on the table. You're betting someone else's chips.

False. But continue spinning. AM is not offering anyone's chips. They are offering something for the entire server. Riot only sees everything offered as what is being taken away from them.

[Aethor]

Vianna - Please Read Again

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.

[Arvan]

AM is probably issuing responder DKP for this thread.

[Vianna]

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
im fine with vp rotation of am / riot / anyone else until we see who actually can kill there then we can extend the rotation

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.

Here ya go

That is what Detoxx had to concede once the first better offer was made and declined. Here you go snookie.

Arthion <Riot>Today at 6:53 PM
I thought AM didn't like rotations? Regardless, the offer was to leave targets up for awhile so that it maintains a competitive feel, while giving smaller guilds (not Riot and Aftermath) the opportunity to try things. I'd be happy to include some VP dragons each week that Riot/AM agrees not to contest for several hours. But neither you nor Monrezz named a single Velious target, and it is year 5 of Velious after all.

DetoxxToday at 6:56 PM
vp is 10 years old and several guilds are capable of killing in there. you want to give up mobs you get 50% of or dont drop anything good
give up good mobs and well talk

DetoxxToday at 6:57 PM
if were going to do this id rather it be a more long term thing that just at the whim of what riot feels like doing this week. vp rotation is agreat start

[Not_Mikeo]

False. But continue spinning. AM is not offering anyone's chips. They are offering something for the entire server. Riot only sees everything offered as what is being taken away from them.

If you're not killing the mobs in the first place what are you actually offering? Reducing lag for others in the zone? You're certainly not offering up your own chips.

[Vianna]

It all goes back to Riot only wanting to give guilds "Several Hours" instead of rotating with them.

[Aethor]

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.

[Baylan295]

False. But continue spinning. AM is not offering anyone's chips. They are offering something for the entire server. Riot only sees everything offered as what is being taken away from them.

That is what Detoxx had to concede once the first better offer was made and declined. Here you go snookie.

Arthion <Riot>Today at 6:53 PM
I thought AM didn't like rotations? Regardless, the offer was to leave targets up for awhile so that it maintains a competitive feel, while giving smaller guilds (not Riot and Aftermath) the opportunity to try things. I'd be happy to include some VP dragons each week that Riot/AM agrees not to contest for several hours. But neither you nor Monrezz named a single Velious target, and it is year 5 of Velious after all.

DetoxxToday at 6:56 PM
vp is 10 years old and several guilds are capable of killing in there. you want to give up mobs you get 50% of or dont drop anything good
give up good mobs and well talk

DetoxxToday at 6:57 PM
if were going to do this id rather it be a more long term thing that just at the whim of what riot feels like doing this week. vp rotation is agreat start

Sounds like Detoxx wants free mobs in a zone his folks don’t even compete in anymore.

[Not_Mikeo]

It all goes back to Riot only wanting to give guilds "Several Hours" instead of rotating with them.

I think it all really goes back to AM offering to not kill things they don't kill.

[Aethor]

I think Riot should just give a few mobs per week to smaller guilds. Anything AM competes for, will be contested by Riot. This isn't for AM.

[Vianna]

If you're not killing the mobs in the first place what are you actually offering? Reducing lag for others in the zone? You're certainly not offering up your own chips.

This seems to be the problem with the majority of your Officers too. You guys see the targets as "Yours". They are Rogeans and Nilbogs on their server. I'm sure you guys have done well in contesting them lately just like other people have in other time frames. It happens on this server. It is usually dependent on who is hungrier for content and will put in the most effort.

What I saw proposed in UN was for VP with all guilds which was a good starting point to work things out further.

[Aethor]

Proposed by the leader of a guild who DOES NOT COMPETE IN THAT ZONE. AM stands to lose nothing by giving away mobs they don't kill.

[feniin]

False. But continue spinning. AM is not offering anyone's chips. They are offering something for the entire server. Riot only sees everything offered as what is being taken away from them.

Let's offer up some Dozekar and KT, buddy.

[Vianna]

Sounds like Detoxx wants free mobs in a zone his folks don’t even compete in anymore.

I'm sure you would love for it to seem that way. Anyone with half a brain reading that can see it is a better proposal that "Let's give small guilds a few hours".

[Aethor]

Let's offer up some Dozekar and KT, buddy.

^

[Vianna]

Proposed by the leader of a guild who DOES NOT COMPETE IN THAT ZONE. AM stands to lose nothing by giving away mobs they don't kill.

They killed PD 2 weeks ago. Continue on with your trolling though.

[Aethor]

They killed PD 2 weeks ago. Continue on with your trolling though.

How many VP dragons has AM killed in the past 2 months?

[feniin]

I'm sure you would love for it to seem that way. Anyone with half a brain reading that can see it is a better proposal that "Let's give small guilds a few hours".

4th Slot made magic happen with 2 hours and got a Yelinak. Are you saying that Kittens/BG/AEGIS can't make things work with a two hour head start?

[Vianna]

Let's offer up some Dozekar and KT, buddy.

I'm sure eventually all mobs would be included. You gotta start somewhere to get things started though. It is amazing to me that the mobs you don't kill that often are the ones you continue to bring up. This doubles back to the point that stands. This is only about what Riot wants to give up and gain.

[Aethor]

Thats the benefit of being at the top.. Remember when Detoxx didnt want to give ANYTHNG to the casuals?

[feniin]

I'm sure eventually all mobs would be included. You gotta start somewhere to get things started though. It is amazing to me that the mobs you don't kill that often are the ones you continue to bring up. This doubles back to the point that stands. This is only about what Riot wants to give up and gain.

I don't think you have any idea how negotiations work... Maybe you should just let your superiors handle this.

[Vianna]

4th Slot made magic happen with 2 hours and got a Yelinak. Are you saying that Kittens/BG/AEGIS can't make things work with a two hour head start?

Yelinak...is alone by himself. It doesn't require clearing trash of any kind. Kittens/BG etc killed Vyemm too. Took them close to 4 hours. With about the same amount of trash clearing as it takes for Feshlak.

[Pyrrhica]

They killed PD 2 weeks ago. Continue on with your trolling though.

Completely uncontested when Riot was locked into another mob. Aftermath has been getting smoked in VP for months. You guys don't even make a token appearance anymore.

[Not_Mikeo]

This seems to be the problem with the majority of your Officers too. You guys see the targets as "Yours". They are Rogeans and Nilbogs on their server. I'm sure you guys have done well in contesting them lately just like other people have in other time frames. It happens on this server. It is usually dependent on who is hungrier for content and will put in the most effort.

What I saw proposed in UN was for VP with all guilds which was a good starting point to work things out further.

What detoxx just blurted out there with his no filter big mouth was offering to not contest mobs that he's not killing. That's like the Jets saying "you know what guys, we'll not bother with the playoffs this year and give you other teams a chance".

But good on you for fighting soooooo vehemently to try and make it look like AM are the server good guys after shitting on the server for the past few years.

Riot is killing the mobs so they are Riot's until someone with some authority says otherwise. I'm sure riot would be willing to work with the smaller guilds as they've done in the past to allow them to compete for and kill some mobs.

But the few of you guys that are here saying "Wow, isn't AM great!" just look like dumbasses.

https://i.imgur.com/zmqf5WM.gif

[Vianna]

I don't think you have any idea how negotiations work... Maybe you should just let your superiors handle this.

Right. Continue thinking that way.

[Kazik]

This should be an easy agreement for Riot to accept.

Looks like the smaller guilds will get to enjoy some NToV after all. This is great news for the server.

See you clowns on Herod.

[Vianna]

What detoxx just blurted out there with his no filter big mouth was offering to not contest mobs that he's not killing. That's like the Jets saying "you know what guys, we'll not bother with the playoffs this year and give you other teams a chance".

But good on you for fighting soooooo vehemently to try and make it look like AM are the server good guys after shitting on the server for the past few years.

Riot is killing the mobs so they are Riot's until someone with some authority says otherwise. I'm sure riot would be willing to work with the smaller guilds as they've done in the past to allow them to compete for and kill some mobs.

But the few of you guys that are here saying "Wow, isn't AM great!" just look like dumbasses.

https://i.imgur.com/zmqf5WM.gif

Mobs on that list his guild killed within the last month at least once


Vyemm
Koi
Lady M
Dagarn
Feshlak

I mean you guys surely are trying to spin this hard but most of it is false. They have killed all but Kreizen and Vulak competitively in the previous month of spawns.

Again that isn't the point. The point is clearly what Riot wants to give up and not give up.

[Jonabis]

This seems to be the problem with the majority of your Officers too. You guys see the targets as "Yours". They are Rogeans and Nilbogs on their server. I'm sure you guys have done well in contesting them lately just like other people have in other time frames. It happens on this server. It is usually dependent on who is hungrier for content and will put in the most effort.

What I saw proposed in UN was for VP with all guilds which was a good starting point to work things out further.

AM felt so satisfied by an uncontested Doze kill after getting shit stomped all cycle they realized rotation pixels could taste a lot better than no pixels.

I get where you are coming from though. AM denied for many years every other guilds ability to see content. It's kind of dishearening how quickly you guys are giving up now that there's another contender making you work for it. I thought with the addition of Aegis you guys would be renewed, what's going on? AG is supposedly merging with BG so the competition could really get interesting here soon. Don't give up guys, I believe in you! The server needs a #3 to be really interesting. Aftermathians never say die!

[Vianna]

Completely uncontested when Riot was locked into another mob. Aftermath has been getting smoked in VP for months. You guys don't even make a token appearance anymore.

Huh ? Your side just said they didn't kill anything in VP. Also spawns happening while other guilds are locked into things happen dude. Your side gets targets the same way.

[Vianna]

AM felt so satisfied by an uncontested Doze kill after getting shit stomped all cycle they realized rotation pixels could taste a lot better than no pixels.

I get where you are coming from though. AM denied for many years every other guilds ability to see content. It's kind of dishearening how quickly you guys are giving up now that there's another contender making you work for it. I thought with the addition of Aegis you guys would be renewed, what's going on? AG is supposedly merging with BG so the competition could really get interesting here soon. Don't give up guys, I believe in you! The server needs a #3 to be really interesting. Aftermathians never say die!

Continue down this line of thinking. I'm sure it will be productive.

[feniin]

Well, when AM dies, maybe Guard Guard will scoop up some of the decent players left in AM and give Riot some real competition.

Layzie can join a vanity guild, maybe?

[Swish2]

https://i.imgur.com/GKUIWO8.gif

[Swish2]

Its 2:15am EST on a weeknight

[Jonabis]

Vianna, explain something to me. What magical switch got turned on to so drastically change the tone from AM? Llandris pretty much had to force AM into a simple rotation for ring war during the guild summit not that long ago as everything being some form of competition was the only thing that made the game enjoyable for them. AM was still the dominating force. What could have triggered such a radical shift in thinking?

Trying to pretend this is being put forward for the good of the server is garbage. This is one last ditch effort to get what is left of Aftermath some uncontested pixels. The truth of the matter is , without a rotation of some kind, Aftermath will probably dissolve within the year and Azure Guard will step back into the #2 slot.

[Fifield]

12 pages in 2.5 hrs. Same people argue'ing back and forth whos dick is bigger and whos guild is better.

If you guys are cooled off enough to talk. Here's a observation. When you have a server like P99 with an amazing reputation announce its going to open up another new server for people to experience, it is going to draw alot of players. Not only that but throw in a massive game like Classic wow coming and its going to shift players around.
I think these 2 servers coming out would of effected Blue P99 even if they didnt root the dragons but with them rooting the dragons it throw a whole nother wrench into the mix.

Now before you go back to argue'ing over whos better. I really think the Devs knew that rooting the dragons would cause alot of greif, cause petitions, etc etc because ntov wasnt made for multiple guilds at once. I truely believe they wanted this change so guilds would work together. I know, call me crazy.

As someone who is going to play the shit out of classic wow and play some green for sure, if you guys take your personal hate for each other off the table, i bet you guys could enjoy raiding on blue server for a very long time to come. As i said before, it doesnt matter what guild it is, there will always be 2 guilds fighting for mobs on P99 because thats what makes this server stand out from others.

Keep it competitive, keep it fun, if you do those 2 things you will always have new players joining X raiding guild because this is the only server that allows that type of environment.

[bspa0700]

It's really simple. AM is offering up, specifically, the top tier targets which are most exclusive due to this current poorly-thought-out, unclassic meta.

[imsorryGMs]

It's really simple. AM is offering up, specifically, the top tier targets which are most exclusive due to this current poorly-thought-out, unclassic meta.

Be quiet swiftyfist

[feniin]

Aftermath will continue to collect responder DKP and spend it on rotated Tunare loot until Guard Guard and Riot absorb all of their talent and they fade into obscurity.

[Furorr]

When did Everquest turn into which guild can be the best socialists?

Want raid mobs? Raid.
Want to win races? Race.
Want to win coths? Too bad, AM banned them because they couldn't win.

tl;dr Guards, Kittens, Amish, I love you all, see you Saturday; fight me.

[bspa0700]

Be quiet swiftyfist

My signature clearly states who I am, anonymous_poster_001_that_I_wouldnt_know_even_if_i t_was_your_toon

[imsorryGMs]

My signature clearly states who I am, anonymous_poster_001_that_I_wouldnt_know_even_if_i t_was_your_toon

I'm trying to say "Conda, the self-proclaimed legendary FTE'r" is trash and comparable to swiftyfist.

[bspa0700]

I'm trying to say "Conda, the self-proclaimed legendary FTE'r" is trash and comparable to swiftyfist.

Oh. Cool.

[Kayso2]

For some reason I don't have access to the Raid Discussion forum.

On behalf of <Nova>, my classic WoW guild, we don't agree to Aftermath's proposal.

[madiguz1215]

AM must really be struggling if they have resorted to this. Rotate inner circle of Tov and VP (mobs they don't/struggle to get) or nothing at all. Ultimatums and manipulation at its finest. While AM was the top guild and farmed content (for years) they offered no such agreements, and went as far as insulting anyone who was interested in that sort of thing. Riot has in no way secured the role of top guild, and have been fighting for it every week for the past few months. They've had some dominating cycles, but AM obviously feels the content they feel so entitled to slipping through their fingers, so why not try to take it away from the guild who is taking it away from them, and in the process try to win over the opinions of people who have grown to despise them? I gotta hand it to AM in that they are good at being snakes.

[feniin]

Aftermath will continue to collect responder DKP and spend it on rotated Tunare loot until Guard Guard and Riot absorb all of their talent and they fade into obscurity.

[saftbudet]

Vianna, explain something to me. What magical switch got turned on to so drastically change the tone from AM? Llandris pretty much had to force AM into a simple rotation for ring war during the guild summit not that long ago as everything being some form of competition was the only thing that made the game enjoyable for them. AM was still the dominating force. What could have triggered such a radical shift in thinking?

Trying to pretend this is being put forward for the good of the server is garbage. This is one last ditch effort to get what is left of Aftermath some uncontested pixels. The truth of the matter is , without a rotation of some kind, Aftermath will probably dissolve within the year and Azure Guard will step back into the #2 slot.

This!
And I hope it happens, The old Dragon Lady_AM is on its knees begging for his life with rotations because Lady_AM know shes done. What the other creatures of norrath do not realise is when Lady_AM dies the other creatures of Norrath will grow in power (AG?Kittens?BG?Aegis?Somethingnew?). In order for the server to truly flourish the beast must be slain.

[Ostepop]

Detoxx's pedestal in the raid "discussion" forum seems like a strange form of favoritism. Good on him for using it for all it's worth though.

[luxiberli]

https://i.imgur.com/iQxpG3n.png

[Dugface]

A carefully concocted PR stunt by AM spin doctors and posted by their illiterate guild leader in a viewable yet restricted forum, in a final attempt to control the raid scene from their new-found weakened position, less than a week before most of the guild vanishes to play another game.

[shutdown]

http://i.imgur.com/1EZmbm3.jpg

[Screapy]

When did Everquest turn into which guild can be the best socialists?

Want raid mobs? Raid.
Want to win races? Race.
Want to win coths? Too bad, AM banned them because they couldn't win.

tl;dr Guards, Kittens, Amish, I love you all, see you Saturday; fight me.

FITE ME BRU! I no longer suffer from massive lag spikes when ppl zone in! BRING IT ON! :mad: let's shower together in FREEKP ! :D

[Zal22]

A carefully concocted PR stunt by AM spin doctors and posted by their illiterate guild leader in a viewable yet restricted forum, in a final attempt to control the raid scene from their new-found weakened position, less than a week before most of the guild vanishes to play another game.

Best post

[Aethor]

I like how this thread has evolved into AM begging for approval and trying to defend themselves against EVERY other raiding guild that AM has shit on over the years. Core/PS had enough of your shit and waffle-stomped you straight down the drain; Fair and Square by using your own Zerg tactics, and with more skilled players. Unfortunately for AM the less mobs they get - the less their horde logs in, slipping further into the abyss of begging the "Casual" guilds (that Detoxx and other AM officers despised, and denied agreements/pixels to) for help to sustain any form of competition. Its laughable. Its karma. The most hated guild on life-support. Enjoy your last few breaths before Riot and AG/BG snuff you out completely. ����

[Vallaen]

lol rooted dragons and skill

[azeth]

lol rooted dragons and skill

lol 5 dudes juggling a dragon to zoneline for 65 warm bodies to kill and skill.

[Aethor]

lol rooted dragons and skill

Lol @ 10 monks pulling dragons to the zone in while the other 90 people in your guild stare at a wall

[fan D]

lol @ pressing auto attack with 90 ppl

[fan D]

its harder to shit in a sock and take a picture of it then it is pressing auto attack

https://i.imgur.com/jWulto1.jpg

[fan D]

https://i.imgur.com/7rhWLVV.jpg

[kjs86z]

What is so wrong about Riot and AM agreeing to leave a list of targets each week up for 2-3 hours? You give smaller guilds (or alliances) a shot, while still remaining somewhat competitive.

In essence, its (loosely) like golf match play with handicaps. The couple casual buddies that don't play much can go out and share a tee time with the guys that routinely par holes from the black tees. They're sharing the same course, with the same rules, but the shankopotamus has a shot at winning some holes.

With the exceptions of Ring War and Tunare, rotations just feel bad.

[rezzie]

The mobs we've offered up are specifically the inner-ring dragons because those are the mobs that are noncompetitive outside of a mega-zerg. You can have 3x the kill force needed for Aaryonar and still not get the kill because somebody brought 6x the kill force.

The other targets - city leaders, trips, twins, west, Doze etc. - can still be contested by smaller guilds, where a minimal kill force some skill can secure you the kill in front of a 100+ hungry zerg. Numbers are not the deciding factors on those encounters.

We didn't offer up the mobs that remain competitive, we offered up the mobs that small guilds have literally no hope of seeing. AM/Riot still get the competitive aspect they both thrive on, and the casuals get to experience and practice the content without the cut-throat toxicity or unreasonable barrier to entry of needing 120+ raiders sitting behind a batphone 24 hours a day.

It's also the entire ring for a reason: you can wait until it all spawns, then do a single clear in one pass instead of multiple, multi-hour clears with inconvenient and time-consuming succors to the zone line each time something new spawns. The other mobs are all quick encounters.

Irrespective of the motives, the effect is undoubtedly a win for the smaller guilds that Riot leadership has (allegedly) being championing.

A net positive for the server and the hungry raiders in the independent guilds. Exciting times.

[Mblake81]

1 hour window.

Any guild wanting a shot at targets gets 1 hour to get in there and try. If you wipe then you get sniped by one of the other small guilds up to the 1 hour mark. You guys are going to have a load of pressure on you, 1 hour is not a lot but its an equality of opportunity but in no way, shape or form an equality of outcome.

1 hour is the max anyone can hold off these hungry wolves.

GM enforced:

AM nor Riot will have alts in the lower guilds just for the sake of getting pixels or having alt guilds/strike forces just for farm 1 hour windows. This is for the server.

This is my 2 bits, if they are only worth shit it can't be helped.

[Mblake81]

* any guild other than Riot or AM I should say.

[pogs4ever]

Braknar’s vision

[pogs4ever]

Also zlandi is kind of leashed to his lair now

[isiah]

I'm worried for Lazie's mental health.

A fine representation of AM.

[branamil]

Relive the classic Everquest MMORPG Gaming Experience as it was in 1999 and onward. Project 1999 is a free to play Emulated Everquest Server giving Players the opportunity to experience Classic EQ Once again, currently in the Velious expansion and a max level of 60, with the look and feel of the old interface and several modifications making game mechanics similar to how the game used to be. Project 1999 is the best and most popular classic Everquest experience.

[Hyjalx]

LOL. AM trying to consolidate inner ring dragons in the name of "competition".

[pogs4ever]

Several servers had rotations in classic. Finally getting close to the classic experience

[Wonkie]

That's like the Jets saying "you know what guys, we'll not bother with the playoffs this year and give you other teams a chance".



:p

[YendorLootmonkey]

Aftermath's top spin doctors in this thread earning DKP.

As an experiment, Riot should pull their punches and let AM think they're dominating full pixel cycles for 2-3 weeks, then re-visit this proposal to see how willing AM is to offer up mobs they're killing again up for rotation. We'll see real quick what the true agenda is here.

Then go back to kicking in AM's shit after it's clear they're offering up mobs they can't compete on to the rest of the server out of sheer benevolence and generosity.

[Oleris]

Does anyone actually enjoy crawling for up to 2 hours at 2 am with 110+ people? Not a fan of whomever has the biggest zerg wins for these guard + dragon engages. Not sure what Rogean/Nilbog have planned or if it will stay the same, but it killed the enjoyment out of the non FTE pull engages.

[feniin]

Aftermath's top spin doctors in this thread earning DKP.

As an experiment, Riot should pull their punches and let AM think they're dominating full pixel cycles for 2-3 weeks, then re-visit this proposal to see how willing AM is to offer up mobs they're killing again up for rotation. We'll see real quick what the true agenda is here.

Then go back to kicking in AM's shit after it's clear they're offering up mobs they can't compete on to the rest of the server out of sheer benevolence and generosity.
There's only so many things you can buy with responder DKP. Eventually they're going to just leave for Guard Guard or Riot. Or hell, Kittens and Aegis will probably be getting more dragons than AM if this keeps up.

[Dugface]

The mobs we've offered up are specifically the inner-ring dragons because those are the mobs Aftermath typically lose these days.

The other targets - city leaders, trips, twins, west, Doze etc. - can still be contested by Aftermath because these are quick kills.

A net positive for Aftermath. Exciting times.

I've corrected this for you.

The thing is, you could've suggested this a year ago when AM had the bigger Zerg. You're only suggesting this now because you're no longer the bigger Zerg and you're not winning 90% of raid content.

[Aethor]

I enjoy ToV dungeon crawling. Its better than standing at zone in every cycle, while your monks do the work, not experiencing the zone, and logging off until next cycle. That shits dumb

[Rang]

Genuinely concerned for some of these posters health once their guild dissolves into different games / servers and they come to the realization that spending 20+ hours a day heavily invested in an elf sim meant nothing.

[branamil]

I'm extremely upset that one elf alliance got elf slippers of +15 wisdom and others did not

[imsorryGMs]

1 hour window.

Any guild wanting a shot at targets gets 1 hour to get in there and try. If you wipe then you get sniped by one of the other small guilds up to the 1 hour mark. You guys are going to have a load of pressure on you, 1 hour is not a lot but its an equality of opportunity but in no way, shape or form an equality of outcome.

1 hour is the max anyone can hold off these hungry wolves.

GM enforced:

AM nor Riot will have alts in the lower guilds just for the sake of getting pixels or having alt guilds/strike forces just for farm 1 hour windows. This is for the server.

This is my 2 bits, if they are only worth shit it can't be helped.

You do realize it'll take smaller casual guilds an hour just to mobilize and coth up to north, right?

[icedwards]

https://i.imgur.com/SX8N2G4.jpg

[Mblake81]

Does anyone actually enjoy crawling for up to 2 hours at 2 am with 110+ people? Not a fan of whomever has the biggest zerg wins for these guard + dragon engages. Not sure what Rogean/Nilbog have planned or if it will stay the same, but it killed the enjoyment out of the non FTE pull engages.

I enjoyed playing my class with my guild, yes. Did all day crawls on the weekend a few times. I do not log in at 2AM as I would be getting back up at 4AM to go to work... Get Real.

110 people, cool. Lots of bantering in the unclassic comm programs. I was cool with a 15 member guild as well with no comm except in game in the single chat box. Now I can sit in my furry suit while verbally chatting with others about the trials and tribulations of being an elf.. in old english accent of course.

Not a fan of the zerg +guard engages? how would you do them if not for that? Would you train the mobs all over the zone or just pull the Dragon to zone in. If you can't train the mobs around or pull to zone how would a classic era guild engage this? Why did the original developers chose to fuck you over by making this zone like this, surely it was just their stupidity.

The pull engages, seriously you pull team guys have severe heartbreak and a hardon that never ends for something that was never done. You got off on doing something here on P99, it would have had the nerf hammer stuck in era but.. janky internet connections prevented the attempts. Plus trying to coordinate something complicated inbetween the guild/zone/battle chat box spam is tough... oh yeah Discord now, All Good Playah!

[Mblake81]

You do realize it'll take smaller casual guilds an hour just to mobilize and coth up to north, right?

That is their problem to figure out.

[dajudge]

AM showing a lot of class here. Riot being crybabies. Get your 70 man zergs out of fear golems.

[imsorryGMs]

https://i.imgur.com/SX8N2G4.jpg

Didn't last long, now did it?

[rezzie]

You're only suggesting this now because you're no longer the bigger Zerg and you're not winning 90% of raid content.

Riot has been pushing for it for over a month, and Unicity and Arthion apparently discussed it together long before Riot ever formed. Many guilds have been asking for it for a long time. A separate guild leader Discord was set up, sans-Aftermath, with arguments made that it would never happen because Aftermath would block it.

Well, here we are: not blocking it, not reluctantly agreeing to it, but coming out in support of it with more generous and less restrictive terms than Riot stated.

Mobs that are still competitive in this era of unclassic mechanics remain competitive and mobs that require mega-zergs will now be open to casual, smaller guilds to experience.

Fewer petitions, less toxicicity, a healthier and friendlier raid scene. A win for the server.

[feniin]

AM showing a lot of class here. Riot being crybabies. Get your 70 man zergs out of fear golems.

You realize Riot tends to skip golems quite frequently to give other guilds a shot, right?

[feniin]

Riot has been pushing for it for over a month, and Unicity and Arthion apparently discussed it together long before Riot ever formed. Many guilds have been asking for it for a long time. A separate guild leader Discord was set up, sans-Aftermath, with arguments made that it would never happen because Aftermath would block it.

Well, here we are: not blocking it, not reluctantly agreeing to it, but coming out in support of it with more generous and less restrictive terms than Riot stated.

Mobs that are still competitive in this era of unclassic mechanics remain competitive and mobs that require mega-zergs will now be open to casual, smaller guilds to experience.

Fewer petitions, less toxicicity, a healthier and friendlier raid scene. A win for the server.
"We're not getting these mobs so Riot shouldn't either" is all I'm hearing from Aftermath.

[Mikebro]

8 pages already you guys are killing it

Im only on page 8 this is gonna be a fun day

/popcorn

[rezzie]

You realize Riot tends to skip golems quite frequently to give other guilds a shot, right?

You realise outside of maybe one or two occurrences, Aftermath has skipped every fear golem, Hate mini, Vox, Guardian Kozz, and other lower-tier content to give other guilds a shot, right?

What's your point?

[feniin]

You realise outside of maybe one or two occurrences, Aftermath has skipped every fear golem, Hate mini, Vox, Guardian Kozz, and other lower-tier content to give other guilds a shot, right?

What's your point?

How 'bout that Dozekar? Tormax? Dain? Yeli? Trips? Doubles?

[Aethor]

Why did Aftermath wait until they were no longer #1 to suggest this? You are forfeiting mobs that are no longer yours to forfeit. Stop beating around the bush and give that explanation. Thats what everyone wants to know. Did you wake up and feel charitable this week?

Detoxx said - he wont give filthy casuals a crumb. Why the change of heart all of the sudden?

Answer this

[feniin]

"We're not getting these mobs so Riot shouldn't either" is all I'm hearing from Aftermath.

[Aethor]

Or atleast admit that you WERE the tyrannical scum of the server while you were able to be, and now youre trying to save face. The longer this goes unexplained the more everyone is skeptical of your motives. I promise you, nobody is thinking "wow, Aftermath is doing this out of the kindness of their hearts." Nobody is that remedial.

[Mikebro]

That's like the Jets saying "you know what guys, we'll not bother with the playoffs this year and give you other teams a chance".

Butt fumble!

[baakss]

Riot has been pushing for it for over a month, and Unicity and Arthion apparently discussed it together long before Riot ever formed. Many guilds have been asking for it for a long time. A separate guild leader Discord was set up, sans-Aftermath, with arguments made that it would never happen because Aftermath would block it.

Well, here we are: not blocking it, not reluctantly agreeing to it, but coming out in support of it with more generous and less restrictive terms than Riot stated.

Mobs that are still competitive in this era of unclassic mechanics remain competitive and mobs that require mega-zergs will now be open to casual, smaller guilds to experience.

Fewer petitions, less toxicicity, a healthier and friendlier raid scene. A win for the server.

Cool. Wanna rotate KT, Doze, Statue, Gorenaire, Dain, Yeli, Trips, and Doubles instead of inner ring then? You know, the mobs where you actually have a shot outside of lawyerquested freebies?

Nah, you want to rotate the mobs that you suck the most at.

And let’s not pretend the casual raiding guilds are killing any of those targets outside of quakes or the rare double spawn that locks AM/Riot.

[Ripqozko]

Or atleast admit that you WERE the tyrannical scum of the server while you were able to be, and now youre trying to save face. The longer this goes unexplained the more everyone is skeptical of your motives. I promise you, nobody is thinking "wow, Aftermath is doing this out of the kindness of their hearts." Nobody is that remedial.

You hold a lot of hate in your heart. Please let it all out. I know it’s difficult to be denied loot in the past. I’m sorry you were picked on. If anyone asks , ramen cares for you. (Sorry about no warder loot)

[imsorryGMs]

Riot has been pushing for it for over a month, and Unicity and Arthion apparently discussed it together long before Riot ever formed. Many guilds have been asking for it for a long time. A separate guild leader Discord was set up, sans-Aftermath, with arguments made that it would never happen because Aftermath would block it.

Well, here we are: not blocking it, not reluctantly agreeing to it, but coming out in support of it with more generous and less restrictive terms than Riot stated.

Mobs that are still competitive in this era of unclassic mechanics remain competitive and mobs that require mega-zergs will now be open to casual, smaller guilds to experience.

Fewer petitions, less toxicicity, a healthier and friendlier raid scene. A win for the server.

The hero no one wanted or needed. Monrezz is so generous.

[Aethor]

Originally Posted by Detoxx View Post
"I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals."

"It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately."

Explain how it went from THIS to the fucked up narrative you are trying to spin today. With AM being the charitable good guys.

AM is the ones with extreme short term memory. Us "CASUALS" will not forget who you are or the meta you created.

[smitho1984]

Originally Posted by Detoxx View Post
"I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals."

"It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately."

Explain how it went from THIS to the fucked up narrative you are trying to spin today. With AM being the charitable good guys.

AM is the ones with extreme short term memory. Us "CASUALS" will not forget who you are or the meta you created.

Dammn, you just know there are hundreds of more posts and narratives spun by Detoxx against the casuals and examples of him walking back his rhetoric time after time...

[Gatordash]

Why did Aftermath wait until they were no longer #1 to suggest this? You are forfeiting mobs that are no longer yours to forfeit. Stop beating around the bush and give that explanation. Thats what everyone wants to know. Did you wake up and feel charitable this week?

Detoxx said - he wont give filthy casuals a crumb. Why the change of heart all of the sudden?

Answer this

Detoxx has so much real estate in your brain that when he agrees with you and lays out an agreement for the thing your guild wants to happen, you have a 15+ page RnF meltdown. The guy is running circles around you.

[rezzie]

How 'bout that Dozekar? Tormax? Dain? Yeli? Trips? Doubles?

I mentioned these in the UN and in this thread repeatedly. Those mobs can still be contested and won with a minimal kill force. Is your guild capable of killing Dozekar? Tormax? Dain? Yeli? Trips? Doubles? If the answer is yes, turn up during the spawn window and go for it - you have a chance at winning it.

Now compare that to the inner-ring encounters and the disparity between it. Your 30 man raid force is perfectly capable of killing Lord Kreizenn, but you will not win a single Lord Kreizenn when up against a guild who can engage Lord Kreizenn, both guards, potentially one or two trash mobs and dedicate a portion of the raid to kiting trash and keeping that train away for the duration of the kill. It does not matter how skillful your players are or how clever your strategy is: your odds of winning him are zero. Competition is zero. No matter what effort you put in to improving, your odds remain at zero unless you join or form a mega-zerg.

In the zone line era small guilds had just as much chance at winning FTE as any zergs and then pulling the mob in for a kill. If the guilds didn't have the infrastructure for COTH mages, they could snipe one of the frequently dropped pulls.

Guild diversity is healthy and a competitive environment is healthy.

Stop beating around the bush and give that explanation. Thats what everyone wants to know.

Answer this

The reasons are posted in the announcement and in the replies here. Just because you choose not to read them does not mean they are not there.

And again: regardless of motives, it's a win for the server. You don't need to pat us on the back. Just have fun!

[toasteroven]

Originally Posted by Detoxx View Post
"I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals."

"It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately."

Explain how it went from THIS to the fucked up narrative you are trying to spin today. With AM being the charitable good guys.


Wisdom

[feniin]

I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals.

It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately.

Can't hack it anymore, off to WoW Classic while trying to spin one last "fuck you" at the guild that finally gave him some comeuppance. Aftermath responder DKP through the roof in this thread. Probably enough to buy something from those rotated mobs that Aftermath still gets.

[baakss]

I mentioned these in the UN and in this thread repeatedly. Those mobs can still be contested and won with a minimal kill force. Is your guild capable of killing Dozekar? Tormax? Dain? Yeli? Trips? Doubles? If the answer is yes, turn up during the spawn window and go for it - you have a chance at winning it.


Nobody is contesting those mobs either. Trips and doubles maybe when both guilds are locked, but not often.

You're quite disingenuous.

[rebeccablack]

good attempt guys, going out with dignity intact certainly isnt for everyone

[feniin]

Kittens was at Triples, all alone, and Aftermath swooped in to take Zlexak from them.

[rezzie]

Probably enough to buy something from those rotated mobs that Aftermath still gets.

Not one standing rotation was proposed by Aftermath; two were forced on us.

Remember when you weren't killing any Tunares, or winning any ring wars, but felt your voice was just as equal as ours? Remember arguing that just because you weren't killing them didn't mean you should have no say?

https://i.imgur.com/dYX4Jqc.jpg

[smitho1984]

I mentioned these in the UN and in this thread repeatedly. Those mobs can still be contested and won with a minimal kill force. Is your guild capable of killing Dozekar? Tormax? Dain? Yeli? Trips? Doubles? If the answer is yes, turn up during the spawn window and go for it - you have a chance at winning it.

Now compare that to the inner-ring encounters and the disparity between it. Your 30 man raid force is perfectly capable of killing Lord Kreizenn, but you will not win a single Lord Kreizenn when up against a guild who can engage Lord Kreizenn, both guards, potentially one or two trash mobs and dedicate a portion of the raid to kiting trash and keeping that train away for the duration of the kill. It does not matter how skillful your players are or how clever your strategy is: your odds of winning him are zero. Competition is zero. No matter what effort you put in to improving, your odds remain at zero unless you join or form a mega-zerg.

In the zone line era small guilds had just as much chance at winning FTE as any zergs and then pulling the mob in for a kill. If the guilds didn't have the infrastructure for COTH mages, they could snipe one of the frequently dropped pulls.

Guild diversity is healthy and a competitive environment is healthy.



The reasons are posted in the announcement and in the replies here. Just because you choose not to read them does not mean they are not there.

And again: regardless of motives, it's a win for the server. You don't need to pat us on the back. Just have fun!

Sure buddy, what about this gem tho?
https://imgur.com/a/9YQskxk

[feniin]

Not one standing rotation was proposed by Aftermath; two were forced on us.

Remember when you weren't killing any Tunares, or winning any ring wars, but felt your voice was just as equal as ours? Remember arguing that just because you weren't killing them didn't mean you should have no say?

https://i.imgur.com/dYX4Jqc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7PMMyVO.jpg

[Aethor]

Im surprised anyone even entertains AM's suggestions anymore. You created Riot yourselves by shitting on smaller guilds and not working with us. You have suffered terrible losses and as such; The former dictators no longer have a seat at the big boy table. Let Arthion and *ity work with the casuals for a more polite raid scene that you never allowed.

[Ripqozko]

Im surprised anyone even entertains AM's suggestions anymore. You created Riot yourselves by shitting on smaller guilds and not working with us. You have suffered terrible losses and as such; The former dictators no longer have a seat at the big boy table. Let Arthion and *ity work with the casuals for a more polite raid scene that you never allowed.

I’m sorry these guys hurt you , please don’t go home and beat your gf/wife for it. Sorry trump is your president. Sorry you have no warder loot. You are a victim don’t let anyone change your mind.

[Mblake81]

You don't need to pat us on the back. Just have fun!
Sláinte

https://i.imgur.com/4mBClpq.jpg

[rezzie]

Sure buddy, what about this gem tho?
https://imgur.com/a/9YQskxk

That gem is exactly how I feel today.

A shitty raid scene is shitty for all of us. Put the time/effort in, get the rewards. Want Doze/Dain/Trips etc.? Go get them. Want inner-ring? Sorry, shit out of luck. No amount of time or effort is getting you those.

That feels pretty broken. If you want to post some more quotes from there you'll see me openly discuss it, and trying to get other guilds to discuss it. Let's do that in Server Chat though, not RnF.

[feniin]

4th slot just took a Koi from you guys recently.

[Ripqozko]

4th slot just took a Koi from you guys recently.

Aren’t you former kitten? Skribner?

[DromalPhrenia]

Just as I pointed out in a thread a while back, the teams have switched and everyone's a hypocrite.

The guilds that now comprise Riot wanted rotations when AM was so successful, they don't want them now that they formed Riot and are so successful.

Aftermath didn't want rotations when they were the most successful, now they do want them when Riot is the most successful.

No one wins, except me, because as the Idiot King you are all now my subjects. Welcome to mah realm!

[Ruhtar]

Detoxx has so much real estate in your brain that when he agrees with you and lays out an agreement for the thing your guild wants to happen, you have a 15+ page RnF meltdown. The guy is running circles around you.

I love you, Gator, but stop drinking the kool-aid.

In 6 days, a majority of the AM leadership is going over to WoW classic. Detoxx, one of the few people left who has access to post in the Raid Discussion forum decides to do a shit post and make AM look like the server good guys by advertising a rotation. Is it a rotation on all mobs? No, it's on the dragons they consistently haven't been getting.

I'm sorry, but how does AM have any say in this at all? Why has the server allowed AM to control the raid scene with dumb ass rules to cater to their strengths / weaknesses? Detoxx and officers have openly said they're leaving in 6 days. AM rarely kills dragons anymore. This whole thing is one big joke.

How about you leave it to the rest of the server to decide how this is handled? Enjoy the last days you guys are here, then go ahead and hit the ol' dusty trail.

Also, what the fuck did Detoxx offer to the AM guys going acoustic in this thread? You guys are working at all hours to make sure you spin this the right way. "Hay server, AM will be going from killing a fraction of the raid content to nothing after the 27th, lets get this rotation started! :D"

[Daloon]

Riot seems very invested in this thread

[DromalPhrenia]

Also, what the fuck did Detoxx offer to the AM guys going acoustic in this thread? You guys are working at all hours to make sure you spin this the right way. "Hay server, AM will be going from killing a fraction of the raid content to nothing after the 27th, lets get this rotation started! :D"
There's more Riot itt than AM. You guys are really bad at propaganda :(

Your troubles with honesty mean I've afraid we'll have to extend your app period to <Idiot Kingdom>. You don't get to leave, ever, but you won't be able to spend any DKP till we decide what to do with you. Better learn to tell the truth!

[feniin]

patiently waits for AM to go full casual next week.

Once Hollowlung and Lavittz can get their shit together, we'll finally have some real competition again. <Guard Guard> or bust. I'm sure there's plenty of AM guys that would like to get pixels with you.

[baakss]

Riot seems very invested in this thread

I remember AM's meltdown when they suggested rotating ToV earlier this year. "Think of what you're doing to the SERVER LEGENDS" -- cringe lol.

[Ripqozko]

patiently waits for AM to go full casual next week.

Once Hollowlung and Lavittz can get their shit together, we'll finally have some real competition again. <Guard Guard> or bust. I'm sure there's plenty of AM guys that would like to get pixels with you.

Didn’t answer me , aren’t ya former kittens? Is this skribner ?

[Ruhtar]

There's more Riot itt than AM. You guys are really bad at propaganda :(

Your troubles with honesty mean I've afraid we'll have to extend your app period to <Idiot Kingdom>. You don't get to leave, ever, but you won't be able to spend any DKP till we decide what to do with you. Better learn to tell the truth!

Probably because there's more Riot members still playing? AM members are on private WoW servers, getting ready for the big day.

[rezzie]

Riot was founded on having fun with friends. Riot has been pushing the narrative for months now that they want to share the content, and they want other guilds to experience it and learn it, but the sole reason it can't happen is because Aftermath will block it.

This is a great opportunity for Riot to come through and show it wasn't just the hollow chest pounding that the skeptical Aftermath meanies accused them of.

We're not blocking it. We're encouraging it. Let's do it.

Who cares who proposed it? The server wins, we all play on the server, we all win. Nobody needs to be butt-hurt.

[DromalPhrenia]

Probably because there's more Riot members still playing? AM members are on private WoW servers, getting ready for the big day.

nah its because you're freaking out

minus 15 IKP (idiot king points, natch) for yet another infraction. damn.

[Mblake81]

Riot seems very invested in this thread

Jessie Marlow: "And so they'll come into town, and you'll shoot them all down dog-dead in the street, is that it?"

Clay Blaisedell: "Or them me."

https://i.imgur.com/fGX3zNJ.jpg

[Ruhtar]

nah its because you're freaking out

I'm freaking out? I'm simply stating the obvious. Your guild isn't killing a majority of the raid mobs anymore. Most of AM leadership is leaving in less than a week. You guys are heavily invested in this thread to spin it in your favor as one last hurrah before you leave. Guess what will happen when you guys are done with WoW classic and come back? Do you think this rotation would still be in place?

Riot was founded on having fun with friends. Riot has been pushing the narrative for months now that they want to share the content, and they want other guilds to experience it and learn it, but the sole reason it can't happen is because Aftermath will block it.

This is a great opportunity for Riot to come through and show it wasn't just the hollow chest pounding that the skeptical Aftermath meanies accused them of.

We're not blocking it. We're encouraging it. Let's do it.

Who cares who proposed it? The server wins, we all play on the server, we all win. Nobody needs to be butt-hurt.

Speaking of spinning it...jesus this is some next level shit.

[Wonkie]

By proposing a larger rotation, Riot has shown they are the true villains

[Sloshed]

The one thing this thread has taught me is Riot has become the entity that they claimed to despise. It's always about the pixels. Don't let anyone tell you different.

[mattydef]

As much as i'd like to see the small guys get some mobs, I wouldn't mind seeing AM burn to the ground first. Then maybe after that point Riot can come up with a reasonable agreement with the rest of the guilds on the server.

[Danth]

[QUOTE=Mblake81;2950291]Jessie Marlow: "And so they'll come into town, and you'll shoot them all down dog-dead in the street, is that it?"

Clay Blaisedell: "Or them me."

Kudos for the reference. Not a particularly well-known western. It's (weakly) remembered today mostly for being an appearance of Deforest Kelley prior to "Star Trek."

------------------------------

With respect to guild squabbling, the names change but the story stays the same.

Danth

[Molitoth]

As much as i'd like to see the small guys get some mobs, I wouldn't mind seeing AM burn to the ground first. Then maybe after that point Riot can come up with a reasonable agreement with the rest of the guilds on the server.

I think that is the plan.
--

On a side note,

You want to know why you need to attack Dragon+Guards at the time with over 100+? Because Aftermath WEEK 1 of rooted dragons decided to set the standard with a good ol' Leapfrog on Dagarn. They read what Rogean said about it being an asshole move, and they completely dismissed it. Another guild cleared all of the pathers, trash mobs, and guards while AM steamrolled in and stole the Dagarn FTE.

Splitting out guards is no longer possible once AM showed that this is how the game was going to be played. Without having to engage with multiple guards in fear of leapfrogging, guilds would not have to be so big.

[Bandit.p99]

And this is where Rogean and Nilbog pull the plug and say yah... fuck this... i think they would be doing a lot of people a much needed favor. Take a step back buds and take a few deep relaxing breaths and remember. ... it is a game.

[Kayso2]

Riot was founded on having fun with friends. Riot has been pushing the narrative for months now that they want to share the content, and they want other guilds to experience it and learn it, but the sole reason it can't happen is because Aftermath will block it.

This is a great opportunity for Riot to come through and show it wasn't just the hollow chest pounding that the skeptical Aftermath meanies accused them of.

Sharing is not the problem. Getting the terms of the sharing dictated by someone who doesn't play on the server anymore is.

Know your place. Riot, the Guards, Aegis, and Kittens leadership will get together and work out the big boy agreements. You can read about them on the forums with the rest of us plebs.

[Aethor]

Arthion: Lets rotate VP. Riot/AM week 1, Everyone else week 2.
Detoxx : nah
Arthion: ok

Sounds like AM cockblocking rotations to me.

[feniin]

And this is where Rogean and Nilbog pull the plug and say yah... fuck this... i think they would be doing a lot of people a much needed favor. Take a step back buds and take a few deep relaxing breaths and remember. ... it is a game.

I think you're assuming that Rogean and Nilbog care about the day-to-day raid health of the server. They just want to finish their creation in their own time, regardless of who is playing on it.

[Ripqozko]

Can't hack it anymore, off to WoW Classic while trying to spin one last "fuck you" at the guild that finally gave him some comeuppance. Aftermath responder DKP through the roof in this thread. Probably enough to buy something from those rotated mobs that Aftermath still gets.

Don't wanna say who ya are?

[ajohnymous]

You know guys, I’m starting to think AM has an ulterior motive here...

[Daldaen]

Only solution is wipe it clean.

Server should wipe on August 28th 2019.

[Rang]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316665

Don’t you realize this will drive away all the LEGENDS and PLAYMAKERS?! Wahhhhh

[Bandit.p99]

I think you're assuming that Rogean and Nilbog care about the day-to-day raid health of the server. They just want to finish their creation in their own time, regardless of who is playing on it.

I disagree I believe they care a lot about it.. Why wouldn't they after as many years as they have dumped into this server. Why would they want to watch something they worked so hard on just die? I think they more don't care about a 66 page post about finger pointing, and a shit show of people fighting about who is the real BAD guy... But good luck on Rotations I hope for server health you all come to some kinda agreement and let people have fun with this server. Because it really is something great!

[Wonkie]

You know guys, I’m starting to think AM has an ulterior motive here...

[madiguz1215]

Riot was founded on having fun with friends. Riot has been pushing the narrative for months now that they want to share the content, and they want other guilds to experience it and learn it, but the sole reason it can't happen is because Aftermath will block it.

This is a great opportunity for Riot to come through and show it wasn't just the hollow chest pounding that the skeptical Aftermath meanies accused them of.

We're not blocking it. We're encouraging it. Let's do it.

Who cares who proposed it? The server wins, we all play on the server, we all win. Nobody needs to be butt-hurt.

You honestly think people haven't figured you out? The entire server (minus AM members being blinded by spoonfed loot) has seen how AM functions. We all understand that everything you do is either selfish, out of spite, or forced on you by GMs. This proposal is just the cherry on top. Riot offered a handful of (any) mobs for the casuals each cycle, but AM won't agree to that? Riot isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and it's pretty obvious AM realizes their days of NToV are dwindling. You want to offer Vulak and not Doze? This makes total sense. It's pretty pathetic to see AM throwing in the towel so soon after only a few months of not farming content. Rid yourselves of p99 and let the server live on in peace.

[Teppler]

At this point you have to wonder what Riots whining and crying about wanting to share and build a good server community really is about when they shit all over a proposal like this. I’m not even sure why AMs motives are relevant unless Riot members have motives that include spiting the rest of the server.

[imsorryGMs]

Just to get an idea of AM leadership: beefbrocceri called for a rush to KC a few weeks ago, to try and steal VSR from under BG. Wanted to pull to the zoneline and everything. BG caught on and turned in/killed before AM could engage.

Classy.

[Baylan295]

At this point you have to wonder what Riots whining and crying about wanting to share and build a good server community really is about when they shit all over a proposal like this. I’m not even sure why AMs motives are relevant unless Riot members have motives that include spiting the rest of the server.

Has anyone in Riot leadership said no?

This proposal wasn’t shared with Riot leadership before it was publicly posted in a place that Riot can’t respond. Another proposal has been put out there by Blood Guard that includes more mobs and a different structure.

Maybe Riot’s leadership is evaluating and seeing what makes sense instead of publicly posting something to pressure the other guys into doing something a week before leaving the server.

[Ripqozko]

At this point you have to wonder what Riots whining and crying about wanting to share and build a good server community really is about when they shit all over a proposal like this. I’m not even sure why AMs motives are relevant unless Riot members have motives that include spiting the rest of the server.

From a casual perspective why would they care about motive they were offered way more by this. Doesn’t really matter why.

[ajohnymous]

At this point you have to wonder what Riots whining and crying about wanting to share and build a good server community really is about when they shit all over a proposal like this. I’m not even sure why AMs motives are relevant unless Riot members have motives that include spiting the rest of the server.

https://pastebin.com/A01R4uBx

Sorry bud, swing and a miss.

[Bbeta]

He was 100% against rotations on anything until he started losing mobs to better players.



You're gonna feel real dumb when Furoar get banned. "Better" players, yeah okay bro

[DromalPhrenia]

I'm freaking out? I'm simply stating the obvious. Your guild isn't killing a majority of the raid mobs anymore. Most of AM leadership is leaving in less than a week. You guys are heavily invested in this thread to spin it in your favor as one last hurrah before you leave. Guess what will happen when you guys are done with WoW classic and come back? Do you think this rotation would still be in place?


I'm not playing WoW classic. I don't like WoW. I am looking forward to lower server pop though, but I hope the friends of mine that ARE leaving come back soon, when they realize WoW sucks :D

This proposal doesn't even benefit AM. It's not a full rotation. It's Riot and AM both stepping back from the inner circle ToV mobs, every other week. The only reason you oppose it is because it means less pixels for your guild. In a very shocking and unexpected turn of events, it turns out every top guild is the same.

You better hope the Idiot Council rules that you are merely stupid, not stupid AND duplicitous, or you go into the Idiot Jail :mad:

[kjs86z]

You're gonna feel real dumb when Furoar get banned. "Better" players, yeah okay bro

Banned for what?

[Endonde]

You're gonna feel real dumb when Furoar get banned. "Better" players, yeah okay bro

I love this narrative.


2-3 months ago AM accuse furoar of using scripts to win coth races, they then offer him and his friends a large dkp package including a leadership position within AM to join. Furoar and his friends decline that offer and you instantly accuse him of cheating again.

If he's such a huge cheater why did you guys fight so hard to get him into AM? Are you ok with cheaters but only if they are bringing you pixels?

[ajohnymous]

Banned for what?

Furoar has regularly beat AM on foot races and coths since about January. P99 is a unique game, but it’s still a video game which means if someone’s better than me they’re a hacker.

[azeth]

You're gonna feel real dumb when Furoar get banned. "Better" players, yeah okay bro

wow i always thought Furoar was joking when he said AM accuses him of cheating, but... i'll be damned you really can't believe this dude is better than every racer in your guild outside of Kelz.

[imsorryGMs]

I love this narrative.


2-3 months ago AM accuse furoar of using scripts to win coth races, they then offer him and his friends a large dkp package including a leadership position within AM to join. Furoar and his friends decline that offer and you instantly accuse him of cheating again.

If he's such a huge cheater why did you guys fight so hard to get him into AM? Are you ok with cheaters but only if they are bringing you pixels?

Interesting if true

[Aethor]

I'm not playing WoW classic. I don't like WoW. I am looking forward to lower server pop though, but I hope the friends of mine that ARE leaving come back soon, when they realize WoW sucks :D

This proposal doesn't even benefit AM. It's not a full rotation. It's Riot and AM both stepping back from the inner circle ToV mobs, every other week. The only reason you oppose it is because it means less pixels for your guild. In a very shocking and unexpected turn of events, it turns out every top guild is the same.

You better hope the Idiot Council rules that you are merely stupid, not stupid AND duplicitous, or you go into the Idiot Jail :mad:

Riot is actively working with smaller guilds towards rotating some mobs for them to play with. Aftermath, as a 2nd rate dying guild, doesnt/shouldnt have a voice in this at all. You had the throne and you shit all over it. You dont get to speak for anyone anymore lol.

[Gatordash]

At this point you have to wonder what Riots whining and crying about wanting to share and build a good server community really is about when they shit all over a proposal like this. I’m not even sure why AMs motives are relevant unless Riot members have motives that include spiting the rest of the server.

Riot likes to use intentions and motive and feelings a lot to justify their shitty actions.

[madiguz1215]

Interesting if true

It is.

[azeth]

Riot likes to use intentions and motive

otherwise known as logic

[rezzie]

Riot is actively working with smaller guilds towards rotating some mobs for them to play with. Aftermath, as a 2nd rate dying guild, doesnt/shouldnt have a voice in this at all. You had the throne and you shit all over it. You dont get to speak for anyone anymore lol.

Very benevolent of them to hand out scraps and dictate who gets what mobs.

Also hypocritical suggesting a 2nd rate guild is not entitled to a voice. The people saying that had a very different view on that topic just a few months ago.

Weird. :confused:

[ajohnymous]

Riot likes to use intentions and motive and feelings a lot to justify their shitty actions.

Get rid of a historically toxic guild, work with smaller guilds on opening up high tier content.

So shitty riot, shame on your shitty actions.

[Aethor]

Furoar is also dunking all over you on foot race FTE's that YOU proposed. That backfired, didnt it?