<Aftermath> to Classic WoW

[ajohnymous]

Very benevolent of them to hand out scraps and dictate who gets what mobs.

Also hypocritical suggesting a 2nd rate guild is not entitled to a voice. The people saying that had a very different view on that topic just a few months ago.

Weird. :confused:

Monrezz, you’re done, man. You can keep arguing and reacting to what people say, but it doesn’t change what’s happening to your guild.

[Not_Mikeo]

You're gonna feel real dumb when Furoar get banned. "Better" players, yeah okay bro

Maybe we'll just form lines for mobs! What a dumbass idea that was! :D

[aaezil]

^
Wow detoxx really coming off an an angry teen who isnt getting his way on that one

Haaard cringe

[rezzie]

I'm not arguing anything.

This is a good thing for the server. There's a positive thing on RnF for once. People should be happy.

[Aethor]

Aftermath
http://i.imgur.com/1KtDoQt.png

[DromalPhrenia]

I love to work together with smaller guilds, by training the absolute shit out of all of them and then ignoring their request to stay the fuck away from Vox, a common small-guild target. I also work together with them by keeping the timer on KDT, another common small-guild target, to keep it locked down. I am good, I am noble, I am helpful. Benevolence is my code.

[ajohnymous]

Aftermath
http://i.imgur.com/1KtDoQt.png

Holy shit.

[DromalPhrenia]

Aftermath
http://i.imgur.com/1KtDoQt.png

Now now, that was young Detoxx, full of anger and vitriol. Old man Detoxx is chompin that Keto, folding his laundry, and taking baths in lava. You won't find that anger in Old Man Detoxx.

[Ruhtar]

This is a good thing for the server. There's a positive thing on RnF for once. People should be happy.

Was this line pinned in officer chat to copy/pasta? You're doing a great job.

I'm running out of popcorn reading all these different avenues AM is trying to take. "Riot is greedy like every top guild!!! (just AM) "Riot is giving the casual guild scraps when we don't even know the agreement they're coming up with!" "Riot sure does cry a lot!" "Remember when Riot trained at Vox? Yeah, lets bring it up again like when one of our members intentionally trained in ntov!"

Riveting stuff guys. I know you're bored and waiting for the 27th to come, but you need to start trolling WoW forums. These forums are for P99.

[DromalPhrenia]

Sorry your guild is everything you whined about for years :(

[YendorLootmonkey]

It's a slap in the face to everyone else on the server that AM thinks for a second that anyone can't see right through what they are trying to do here. That's what i learned in this thread... that AM and their team of spin doctors take us all for idiots.

1) Let AM burn to the ground. They've already proven they get off on denying pixels to others. That is a toxic philosophy that needs to be cut out from this community.

2) Riot, the burden is on you to work with still-relevant guilds to make raiding on P99 a better place going forward. Kudos to you for taking AM's challenge to "git gud" and ram it down their throats... now make good come from it.

[Ripqozko]

I'm really glad the casuals in riot finally get some loot. Being on my 5th alt I'm running out of characters to gear. No matter what happens tho you will never have warder loot and for that in truely sorry.

[Wonkie]

Characters
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The Allied Mastercomputer or AM, the supercomputer which brought about the near-extinction of humanity. It seeks revenge on humanity for its own tortured existence.

[DromalPhrenia]

who is this shovel guy and who fucked his girlfriend? or didn't? whichever one upsets him :(

[Stroboo]

I just hope any deal worked out with riot and smaller guild includes the clause "it is understood that is AM is included Riot will be as well"

[rezzie]

There's nothing to see through.

Casuals and small independent guilds get to experience the top-tier content they've been eager to try.

The Aftermath road block is moved, Riot can follow through with its promises and the whole server benefits.

A healthy and friendly raid experience on alternate weeks, while maintaining a competitive environment for mobs which can still be contested by guilds able to field a minimal kill force.

Wins all round.

[Teppler]

Isn’t this Riots main FTEer? I may be wrong, if so someone plz correct me.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305444

[Ruhtar]

There's nothing to see through.

Casuals and small independent guilds get to experience the top-tier content they've been eager to try.

The Aftermath road block is moved, Riot can follow through with its promises and the whole server benefits.

A healthy and friendly raid experience on alternate weeks, while maintaining a competitive environment for mobs which can still be contested by guilds able to field a minimal kill force.

Wins all round.

Was this line pinned in officer chat to copy/pasta? You're doing a great job.

Thank you for giving up.

[Batso]

I like how Aethor and others are mad AM doesn't want to play in ntov as much and then proceeds to insult AM and its leadership. These proposed off weeks of playing with yourselves must hit too close to home.

[Baylan295]

Isn’t this Riots main FTEer? I may be wrong, if so someone plz correct me.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305444

You’re wrong.

[DromalPhrenia]

furoar is robthe and he autofires lodi and he wears a bra when he does it. nothing wrong with him wearing a bra, but the bra is stolen and it doesn't even fit him and he doesn't wash it or his manboobs. this is canon fyi so put it on the wiki

[Yoink1986]

^ do you have proof?

[Fifield]

Y'all some spicy posters these days.

[Mikebro]

Y'all some spicy posters these days.

Hey Fifi

[icedwards]

Y'all some spicy posters these days.

I'm just here practicing my Barrens Chat.

[DromalPhrenia]

^ do you have proof?

i will not doxx a fellow elf nerd, even if he is a thief and a cheater with bad body odor. but if you search the dark web for 'manboobs furoar sweaty bra w/ security tag' you can purchase a copy and see for yourself

[ajohnymous]

furoar is robthe and he autofires lodi and he wears a bra when he does it. nothing wrong with him wearing a bra, but the bra is stolen and it doesn't even fit him and he doesn't wash it or his manboobs. this is canon fyi so put it on the wiki

Love it.

[Daldaen]

Y'all some spicy posters these days.

What class/race you rolling on WoW Classic fifield?

[Fifield]

Troll hunter. Did eratani talk to you about green yet? Get on board.

[imsorryGMs]

Troll hunter. Did eratani talk to you about green yet? Get on board.

Don't even get me started on fife...

Least toxic player on p99 ❤

[Daldaen]

Troll hunter. Did eratani talk to you about green yet? Get on board.

Nah I haven’t talked about it yet.

Still skeptical it’s gonna happen in October. Rogean hasn’t made any further posts about the server, not a good sign. The Discord server that was hinted at years ago never ended up lifting off so I’m curious if green goes the same route.

[shuklak]

Aftermath
http://i.imgur.com/1KtDoQt.png
This was taken entirely out of context.

[Ripqozko]

Nah I haven’t talked about it yet.

Still skeptical it’s gonna happen in October. Rogean hasn’t made any further posts about the server, not a good sign. The Discord server that was hinted at years ago never ended up lifting off so I’m curious if green goes the same route.

Food still doesn’t have duration here and that’s a pre chardok thing iirc.

[Mikebro]

Fucking Daldaen always ruining the good threads/skype channels.

[ajohnymous]

This was taken entirely out of context.

LOL

[Not_Mikeo]

Fucking Daldaen always ruining the good threads/skype channels.

And servers.

[Daldaen]

Food still doesn’t have duration here and that’s a pre chardok thing iirc.

WIS/INT over 200 also give more than 1 mana per and there isn’t the classic 50% your base mana value cap on raw +Mana gear.

All of the above are crucial fixes to get into the code before green launch. We can’t have Casters being vastly overpowered compared to Melee like the current mana calculation allows.

[Fifield]

Daldaen might be the reason you have to stand to cast....

[smitho1984]

Riot was founded on having fun with friends. Riot has been pushing the narrative for months now that they want to share the content, and they want other guilds to experience it and learn it, but the sole reason it can't happen is because Aftermath will block it.

This is a great opportunity for Riot to come through and show it wasn't just the hollow chest pounding that the skeptical Aftermath meanies accused them of.

We're not blocking it. We're encouraging it. Let's do it.

Who cares who proposed it? The server wins, we all play on the server, we all win. Nobody needs to be butt-hurt.

Correction, <Core> was created for having fun with friends, <Riot> was create to kick AM's ass...

[Daldaen]

Daldaen might be the reason you have to stand to cast....

Legday appreciates that fix. Got to manually use those legs to stand up and cast.

Just be glad you use an unclassic client that lets you autorun out of sit or spell book instead of requiring you manually stand to get out of sitting positions.

Maybe one day Nilbog will move us to the trilogy client that prevents such unclassic movements.

[Swiftyfist]

I think rooted mobs are ridiculous! Biggest zerg wins...do we really want to play this game (no) <3
I dont post in RnF...but there is nothing stopping a non zerg to be a super zerg.

[Swiftyfist]

dont post alot* lol
gosh darn it

[icedwards]

What are you rolling on classic wow, Dald? We're all on Herod

https://i.imgur.com/Gd7uaQ5.gif

[Dotgov]

https://i.imgur.com/J9g0RSS.jpg

[rezzie]

Correction, <Core> was created for having fun with friends, <Riot> was create to kick AM's ass...

A couple weeks ago, two guilds with similar goals and mindsets started working together in the interest of having fun, making new friends, and killing a few dragons.

Fun and games aside, we came up with a vision and a mission that we think matches up with something the server wants, and needs. We are a guild that prioritizes "fun with friends" and a friendly, helpful atmosphere.

We want to enjoy the great classic EverQuest encounters on p99 together and will be strategic in our weekly scheduling and target selection to ensure balance for our members. We also want to be a positive force on the server, being fair, friendly competitors with a high degree of sportsmanship.

[smitho1984]

Huge part of making the dream a reality was... kicking AM's ass... so your point is?

[Sloshed]

https://i.imgur.com/J9g0RSS.jpg

Shouldn't you be FD somewhere?

[enjchanter]

Wtb rotation vulak loot

[Dotgov]

Shouldn't you be FD somewhere?

Hhhhheeeeeeeh!

[Swiftyfist]

Be quiet swiftyfist

???

[Swiftyfist]

why does everyone have to brag about whos guild is the biggest? the toxicity here is unbelievable. I don't care what happens but what I do care about is that this server stays fresh and exciting. Anyone can build a zerg is what we what it to be about? Rooted mobs are stupid...biggest zerg wins...quit bragging, and find actual solutions to make the server better...Much love yall! also please don't play wow! wow, sux!

[Molitoth]

I think rooted mobs are ridiculous! Biggest zerg wins...do we really want to play this game (no) <3


This came about when ToV leapfrogging became a standard. {Sadly week 1}

In order to get the kill, you have to engage +2 guards (and now +4 guards for Vulak).
This is the reason you need high numbers to kill mobs.

If there was no leapfrogging, any standard size guild could head through NToV and kill dragons.

[Twochain]

otherwise known as logic

shiiiit i'm in TWO people's sigs now! I'm working my way up the RnF ladder!

We placed 4th =(

[Lewkeng]

ya all full of fucking shit, ST, Tunare, Ring war became rotation when no fucking body was killin shit.

[Lewkeng]

who gave that up for the server?

[Erati]

ya all full of fucking shit, ST, Tunare, Ring war became rotation when no fucking body was killin shit.

psssssst

AM wanted foot races over COTHing so those targets were selected to be conjoined with the great Race agreement of 2019.

They did not hand them over willingly or freely.

[Endonde]

psssssst

AM wanted foot races over COTHing so those targets were selected to be conjoined with the great Race agreement of 2019.

They did not hand them over willingly or freely.

It's a nice bit of karma that after they forced foot races on everyone because they thought they had the superior racers, they started losing the majority of races.

[feniin]

And decided to start insta-coth racing for Zlandi, too.

[Twochain]

This came about when ToV leapfrogging became a standard. {Sadly week 1}

In order to get the kill, you have to engage +2 guards (and now +4 guards for Vulak).
This is the reason you need high numbers to kill mobs.

If there was no leapfrogging, any standard size guild could head through NToV and kill dragons.

Okay let's pretend for a second that everyone on the server is an overly polite Canadian who wouldn't DARE leapfrogging a guild for a target.

What's the barrier of letting someone have a mob?

Mob spawns ----> "Aftermath's target is Vulak please do not leap frog"
Mob spawns ----> Everyone coths up to trips and kills trash mobs ----> Who's leap frogging who
Mob spawns ----> Okay guys first guild to coth 50 people to aary ledge has first rights to the mob

None of that shit is feasible. Nor is it fun.

Honestly a lot of shit about this meta just isn't fun. Eashen every week.... AM/Riot trains each other on accident 4 times and then lawyerquests from there.. I mean seriously.... 200+ people in a 5 foot stretch of wall. Woops someone trained everyone. Woops someone who is KoS took a rez and now all the hatchlings are in camp. Who was it on first though??

Lady M summons from Egypt ...... Lady M / Koi being up at the same time is insane.

Vulak spawns.... clear for 45 minutes ... lady n spawns .... get 120 people to zone in. Coth to Lady N. Kill lady N. get back to trips. clear trash, pray another dragon doesn't spawn.

Having to throw 120 bodies at Vyemm to have a chance if it's contested.

Waiting at the zone line to mobilize for a dragon because 6 people ninja-afk'd

Also don't hit me with the Muh loot conveyor belt slant. I've said the same thing since Day #1 of rooted dragons. That EarthQuake was one of the most fun experiences playing on p99, but I have a feeling that it will get old very quick.

Even in a world where Guard Guard merges with aegis who merges with AM and we got the lion's share of the loot again, i'd be saying the same shit. This version of ToV raiding is lame.

[icedwards]

It's a nice bit of karma that after they forced foot races on everyone because they thought they had the superior racers, they started losing the majority of races.

https://i.imgur.com/Rr12aXU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TmWQD1e.png

[Skarne]

You people are animals lol.

[k9quaint]

why does everyone have to brag about whos guild is the biggest? the toxicity here is unbelievable. I don't care what happens but what I do care about is that this server stays fresh and exciting. Anyone can build a zerg is what we what it to be about? Rooted mobs are stupid...biggest zerg wins...quit bragging, and find actual solutions to make the server better...Much love yall! also please don't play wow! wow, sux!

Server is working perfectly. Rooted mobs are the key to server health. Toxic players already complaining and making plans to leave. Harmony IRL for P99 blue at last!

[Fifield]

https://i.imgur.com/Rr12aXU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TmWQD1e.png

Yeah kelz got the hell out of dodge. I don't blame him he played a ton of eq. Finally he realized it isn't worth wasting your days FTEing? Iunno but one thing is for sure. He was good at eq, racing etc.

[baakss]

Honestly a lot of shit about this meta just isn't fun.

I'm having fun actually.

A lot of Riot is from CSG and such, so we are seeing this content with a different perspective than you are.

[enjchanter]

Okay let's pretend for a second that everyone on the server is an overly polite Canadian who wouldn't DARE leapfrogging a guild for a target.

What's the barrier of letting someone have a mob?

Mob spawns ----> "Aftermath's target is Vulak please do not leap frog"
Mob spawns ----> Everyone coths up to trips and kills trash mobs ----> Who's leap frogging who
Mob spawns ----> Okay guys first guild to coth 50 people to aary ledge has first rights to the mob

None of that shit is feasible. Nor is it fun.

Honestly a lot of shit about this meta just isn't fun. Eashen every week.... AM/Riot trains each other on accident 4 times and then lawyerquests from there.. I mean seriously.... 200+ people in a 5 foot stretch of wall. Woops someone trained everyone. Woops someone who is KoS took a rez and now all the hatchlings are in camp. Who was it on first though??

Lady M summons from Egypt ...... Lady M / Koi being up at the same time is insane.

Vulak spawns.... clear for 45 minutes ... lady n spawns .... get 120 people to zone in. Coth to Lady N. Kill lady N. get back to trips. clear trash, pray another dragon doesn't spawn.

Having to throw 120 bodies at Vyemm to have a chance if it's contested.

Waiting at the zone line to mobilize for a dragon because 6 people ninja-afk'd

Also don't hit me with the Muh loot conveyor belt slant. I've said the same thing since Day #1 of rooted dragons. That EarthQuake was one of the most fun experiences playing on p99, but I have a feeling that it will get old very quick.

Even in a world where Guard Guard merges with aegis who merges with AM and we got the lion's share of the loot again, i'd be saying the same shit. This version of ToV raiding is lame.

Where is retweet button

[Vallaen]

I dont care for this meta but im glad Riot is having fun because if you are not having fun dont play. This server was a blast to play on.

[Endonde]

Okay let's pretend for a second that everyone on the server is an overly polite Canadian who wouldn't DARE leapfrogging a guild for a target.

What's the barrier of letting someone have a mob?

Mob spawns ----> "Aftermath's target is Vulak please do not leap frog"
Mob spawns ----> Everyone coths up to trips and kills trash mobs ----> Who's leap frogging who
Mob spawns ----> Okay guys first guild to coth 50 people to aary ledge has first rights to the mob

None of that shit is feasible. Nor is it fun.

Honestly a lot of shit about this meta just isn't fun. Eashen every week.... AM/Riot trains each other on accident 4 times and then lawyerquests from there.. I mean seriously.... 200+ people in a 5 foot stretch of wall. Woops someone trained everyone. Woops someone who is KoS took a rez and now all the hatchlings are in camp. Who was it on first though??

Lady M summons from Egypt ...... Lady M / Koi being up at the same time is insane.

Vulak spawns.... clear for 45 minutes ... lady n spawns .... get 120 people to zone in. Coth to Lady N. Kill lady N. get back to trips. clear trash, pray another dragon doesn't spawn.

Having to throw 120 bodies at Vyemm to have a chance if it's contested.

Waiting at the zone line to mobilize for a dragon because 6 people ninja-afk'd

Also don't hit me with the Muh loot conveyor belt slant. I've said the same thing since Day #1 of rooted dragons. That EarthQuake was one of the most fun experiences playing on p99, but I have a feeling that it will get old very quick.

Even in a world where Guard Guard merges with aegis who merges with AM and we got the lion's share of the loot again, i'd be saying the same shit. This version of ToV raiding is lame.




I don't like rooted dragons for a few reasons but the idea that AM members don't like it because it allows the bigger zerg to win is laughable, in an era that didnt require a zerg Aftermath inflated themselves to the point where they were the largest guild in P99 history, even Riot hasn't reached the numbers that AM achieved in the zone pull meta.

[Vallaen]

Whats the largest AM got to with zone pull meta?

Riots is 144

[Molitoth]

Whats the largest AM got to with zone pull meta?

Riots is 144

Riot wasn't even a guild in Zone Pull meta. Try again. Wtf

[Vallaen]

Riot wasn't even a guild in Zone Pull meta. Try again. Wtf

...he said that Riots number are smaller than AM's during the zone in pull meta. I literally just asked what the biggest Riot's numbers were to compare.

[Endonde]

Whats the largest AM got to with zone pull meta?

Riots is 144

I'm not gonna comb through every entry, but I found a 154 entry from shortly before the rooted dragons were implemented.

[Molitoth]

...he said that Riots number are smaller than AM's during the zone in pull meta. I literally just asked what the biggest Riot's numbers were to compare.

ahh my bad, misunderstood.

[Not_Mikeo]

Stuff about kelz

Really Miss That guy :rolleyes:

[Ripqozko]

Really Miss That guy :rolleyes:

It’s ok he hasn’t been on since Mexico upped border patrol, can’t make it back in US

[Twochain]

I don't like rooted dragons for a few reasons but the idea that AM members don't like it because it allows the bigger zerg to win is laughable, in an era that didnt require a zerg Aftermath inflated themselves to the point where they were the largest guild in P99 history, even Riot hasn't reached the numbers that AM achieved in the zone pull meta.

Catch-22 friend.

If we had a high barrier of entry during the zone pull era, we would have been elitist dick heads who want to hoard all the loot to our core. But we had a pretty relaxed recruitment method. In the past, we had a mage who had started playing EverQuest a month prior doing Vulak coth. We could have closed recruitment for a year, and just fed our alts forever. Aftermath became a zerg because people wanted to join our guild, and we let them. Even though we didn't need a zerg. Just like on the other side, 20-25 people did all the heavy lifting. I mean, I guess it was nice to have a shit load of people incase you needed to kill an AoW at 4am. We weren't really actively recruiting though. It's not like Cheanna was out there sending tells to random players trying to get them to join so that we could have all the raiders on the server.

If Aftermath was such a big and bad evil zerg, why didn't tempest/awakened merge with AG/Paradigm Shift/Every single person who wants to raid on the server before the dragons were rooted? It's because those other guilds would have never joined up with tempest/awakened. They wanted to try and do it themselves. And then they rooted the dragons, which made it literally impossible to do so.

The most bored I've ever been raiding on this server was when Awakened was suspended for like 2 months. I've always wanted a competitive raid scene.

My point is, trying to zerg shame a guild that didn't need to be a zerg is kind of pointless. It wasn't the 110 people that showed up on the kill log that won us mobs, it was the 20 people that were online before that. The fact that you have to bring 110 just to be dealt a hand is, in my opinion, bad.

[azeth]

Why aren't all of you idiots like 2 Chainz and able to actually speak like a normal person

[Ripqozko]

Why aren't all of you idiots like 2 Chainz and able to actually speak like a normal person

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Halox]

There's nothing to see through.


The Aftermath road block is moved

Puh-lease! Everyone sees through this crap. If you guys were still on top this deal would not be out there.

Your guilds shitty attitude towards casuals over the years created Riot. Your guilds leaders are getting just what they deserve.

The peasants rose up and overthrew the king. The peasants rejoice! Now the old king wants to make the peasants look like bad guys. LOLOLOLOL

[Vallaen]

Its weird you call Riot peasants, i understand riot came from multiple guilds but to call Core, Awakened/Tempest and Paradigm shift peasants is wrong.

Diamondfist, Baylan, Franswa, Toggin just so name a few weren't peasants.

[Vallaen]

I forgot to add AG members are far from peasants aswell

[Endonde]

Catch-22 friend.

If we had a high barrier of entry during the zone pull era, we would have been elitist dick heads who want to hoard all the loot to our core. But we had a pretty relaxed recruitment method. In the past, we had a mage who had started playing EverQuest a month prior doing Vulak coth. We could have closed recruitment for a year, and just fed our alts forever. Aftermath became a zerg because people wanted to join our guild, and we let them. Even though we didn't need a zerg. Just like on the other side, 20-25 people did all the heavy lifting. I mean, I guess it was nice to have a shit load of people incase you needed to kill an AoW at 4am. We weren't really actively recruiting though. It's not like Cheanna was out there sending tells to random players trying to get them to join so that we could have all the raiders on the server.

If Aftermath was such a big and bad evil zerg, why didn't tempest/awakened merge with AG/Paradigm Shift/Every single person who wants to raid on the server before the dragons were rooted? It's because those other guilds would have never joined up with tempest/awakened. They wanted to try and do it themselves. And then they rooted the dragons, which made it literally impossible to do so.

The most bored I've ever been raiding on this server was when Awakened was suspended for like 2 months. I've always wanted a competitive raid scene.

My point is, trying to zerg shame a guild that didn't need to be a zerg is kind of pointless. It wasn't the 110 people that showed up on the kill log that won us mobs, it was the 20 people that were online before that. The fact that you have to bring 110 just to be dealt a hand is, in my opinion, bad.

I don't really disagree with you, there is always a need to recruit on P99 because players come and go so fast, and I'm not trying to shame AM for being a zerg it's really just part of the game, I'm just pointing out that AM members including yourself coming in here to complain about a "zerg" meta or the fact that another guild now has more members than them is incredibly hypocritical. You dislike zergs now simply because you aren't the biggest one anymore.

[rezzie]

https://i.imgur.com/IP949H6.png

[CodyF86]

Projecting a little bit aren't we.

[Baylan295]

https://i.imgur.com/IP949H6.png

More mobs rotated with the casuals in the 3 months of Riot than the 3 previous years of Aftermath.

[Ripqozko]

More mobs rotated with the casuals in the 3 months of Riot than the 3 previous years of Aftermath.

thats probably true, being old PS you are the casuals. Your welcome for rotating it with you.

[Not_Mikeo]

https://i.imgur.com/2U1GE5N.gif

[eezl]

i just dont see what Riot is doing for the casuals that is soooo much better than AM was.

[eezl]

same shit, different abusive boss.

[Vallaen]

In AM defence, i have been trying to get them to go after vox by me FTE'ing vox on a earthquake but they always say no.

[Arkanjil]

Some salty bitches up in this thread.

[Hotel]

Instead of working out an agreement like an adult, he jumped to the forum to try to paint Riot as monsters if they don't agree to his ultimatum. Makes sense. Classic Toxx.

riot officers are probably the most toxic people on this server

idk what they tell the Riot plebs about what happens in the UN channel but it's legitimately embarrassing

also, the idea Riot "got good" and is now showing AM who's boss is an amazingly contrived narrative

imagine taking a guild who spent 2 years perfecting meta A - to the degree that they literally had to change the server rules - and expect that same guild to excel in meta B

not to mention, meta B fucking blows

all of you guys taking offense to the proposed rotation is laughable when you championed the RW and ST rotations

i bet we have way hotter dudes too, cmon post pics - you won't

[Lewkeng]

cmon post pics - you won't

[Yoink1986]

Riot officers definitely aren’t toxic. Hell I imagine if you talked to Arthion there hotel he would grant you partial access to our discord so you could directly talk to him and others. Plus everything that is talked about in the UN channel Arthion and Uni either post or talk to us about on raids. A lot lately is what mobs we won’t go after each week and what ones were looking to pass on in the next few weeks. You can try and paint them as toxic but in no way are they Detoxx/monrezz lvl.

[Vallaen]

Neither side will think they are the toxic ones, if you are in Riot or AM and don't think you are toxic you are a fool.

[rezzie]

Can someone post some out of context quotes and help remind me of my toxicity. I’m too lazy.

[Hotel]

You can try and paint them as toxic but in no way are they Detoxx/monrezz lvl.

this in no way sounds biased

here are some logs for the people to decide

https://imgur.com/a/gqzNVoQ

https://imgur.com/a/lpbeUtd

[Mikebro]

Just make the UN channel public already enough of this back channelhe said she said bullshit.

#cleanitup2019

[Not_Mikeo]

this in no way sounds biased

here are some logs for the people to decide

https://imgur.com/a/gqzNVoQ

https://imgur.com/a/lpbeUtd

I was disappointed that these links weren't to hot dude picks.

[Nuggie]

@Hotel

I miss the smack talk sometimes, so I may have missed them saying they got good. They have, however, maintained they are out zerging you from what I've seen. Which makes sense because franswa was the TMO recruitment officer, no? Zero is how they beat IB too.

[baakss]

this in no way sounds biased

here are some logs for the people to decide

https://imgur.com/a/gqzNVoQ

https://imgur.com/a/lpbeUtd

Isn't there in this very thread a montage of various Detoxx freakouts?

[aaezil]

Imagine losing at everquest and then making a cringey guild discussion post claiming you suddenly care about the rest of the server (you don’t and never have and never will) and want to not contest a bunch of stuff that you lost to a better guild.

What a ride!

[Extra credit for the detoxx discussion logs he sounded like a ragey teenager who wasnt getting his way with the parents.]

[Francois]

@Hotel

I miss the smack talk sometimes, so I may have missed them saying they got good. They have, however, maintained they are out zerging you from what I've seen. Which makes sense because franswa was the TMO recruitment officer, no? Zero is how they beat IB too.

I was never an officer in TMO. I was however tagged there for ~2 weeks back in 2014ish? Don't think I made it to one raid though.

[Vallaen]

I hope Riot sticks to what they are saying about how they are wanting to help the server but just seems weird to go for the golems when you could get them when CT pops. You go for vox when you could go for gorenaire instead. You go for the cobalt scar dragon and then when Kittens kills it they try to concede x2 and planarity denies that and wants loot deletion from the kill.

[Mud]

Aftermath has always been an opportunistic guild with respect to adapting to the current raiding meta; good or bad, have to give credit where it's due. It's worth noting that the primary reason AM ended up as the top guild for so long is due to their neurotic frapsquesting of Awakened and using those fraps to capitalize on compounding raid suspension times against AW; this ultimately led to the dissolution of AW into Tempest and Untz/Core. The longstanding domination of Aftermath is less owed to their skill and more due to the fact that their biggest competitor had all of their momentum zeroed out. Glad to see AM is on the way out (if true) and that the superior group of players is rightfully back on top again. Cheers to my old AW buds.

[CodyF86]

You left out the part where a non tagged toon in the guild got fte then kited it around CS for 5 minutes before they killed it.

[Hibbs]

You go for the cobalt scar dragon and then when Kittens kills it they try to concede x2 and planarity denies that and wants loot deletion from the kill.

Must not of been a mob Riot was "giving away" this week *shrug*

[k9quaint]

You left out the part where a non tagged toon in the guild got fte then kited it around CS for 5 minutes before they killed it.

Go for FTE with fraps running. Don't ask for concessions, ask for raid bans.
It worked once against the Awakened folks, it will work again.
Never forget Permafrost!

[Swish2]

concede

[YendorLootmonkey]

i bet we have way hotter dudes too, cmon post pics - you won't

No one wants to contribute to your spank bank.

[Ghostly]

Obviously the solution is to eliminate guilds all together on P99.

All raids need to be posted on the forums so that people know where to go and when.

No more Poop Socking. No more FTE. Just good old fashion 1999 raids.

[smitho1984]

riot officers are probably the most toxic people on this server

idk what they tell the Riot plebs about what happens in the UN channel but it's legitimately embarrassing

also, the idea Riot "got good" and is now showing AM who's boss is an amazingly contrived narrative

imagine taking a guild who spent 2 years perfecting meta A - to the degree that they literally had to change the server rules - and expect that same guild to excel in meta B

not to mention, meta B fucking blows

all of you guys taking offense to the proposed rotation is laughable when you championed the RW and ST rotations

i bet we have way hotter dudes too, cmon post pics - you won't

Ummmm AM created Meta B lol c'mon man.

[Mikebro]

Aftermath has always been an opportunistic guild with respect to adapting to the current raiding meta; good or bad, have to give credit where it's due. It's worth noting that the primary reason AM ended up as the top guild for so long is due to their neurotic frapsquesting of Awakened and using those fraps to capitalize on compounding raid suspension times against AW; this ultimately led to the dissolution of AW into Tempest and Untz/Core. The longstanding domination of Aftermath is less owed to their skill and more due to the fact that their biggest competitor had all of their momentum zeroed out. Glad to see AM is on the way out (if true) and that the superior group of players is rightfully back on top again. Cheers to my old AW buds.

<3 miss you pal

[rezzie]

You're blaming Awakened's downfall on Aftermath because they had the nerve to catch you cheating?

[Fallan11]

my quick synopsis after being on the server for 10 months.

Big guild runs shit, gets everything. People think they are baddies.

Smaller guilds combine, compete against big baddie and win.

All remaining guilds now blame Big guild or New Big Guild for not getting mobs they want.

Smaller guilds have free shots at mid tier mobs. And fail to kill them uncontested.

Still blame big guilds for not being able to get kills.





At the end of the day, the people complaining can't handle the mobs they are bitching about anyway. They went from bitching about one bad guy to two. Even though from what I've seen, the new guild has made an attempt to include the smaller guilds in kills.

If you want big mobs, join a big guild. If you want casual, keep your mouth casual.

[azeth]

my quick synopsis after being on the server for 10 months.

Big guild runs shit, gets everything. People think they are baddies.

Smaller guilds combine, compete against big baddie and win.

All remaining guilds now blame Big guild or New Big Guild for not getting mobs they want.

Smaller guilds have free shots at mid tier mobs. And fail to kill them uncontested.

Still blame big guilds for not being able to get kills.





At the end of the day, the people complaining can't handle the mobs they are bitching about anyway. They went from bitching about one bad guy to two. Even though from what I've seen, the new guild has made an attempt to include the smaller guilds in kills.

If you want big mobs, join a big guild. If you want casual, keep your mouth casual.

Annnd /thread

[Daldaen]

So having never played WoW in any real capacity, what’s the allure of a WoW Classic server?

I assume it’s nostalgia similar to P99 nostalgia, but what’s your sales pitch for jumping on to one of those servers if you never played WoW before?

[imsorryGMs]

So having never played WoW in any real capacity, what’s the allure of a WoW Classic server?

I assume it’s nostalgia similar to P99 nostalgia, but what’s your sales pitch for jumping on to one of those servers if you never played WoW before?

Instances

[beversami]

Book up?

[matticas]

I dont care for this meta but im glad Riot is having fun because if you are not having fun dont play. This server was a blast to play on.

[Mblake81]

I assume it’s nostalgia similar to P99 nostalgia, but what’s your sales pitch for jumping on to one of those servers if you never played WoW before?

No real threat of death, you run back to the corpse as a ghost that can't be attacked. The game is setup as a themepark instead of a sandbox. The leveling will take you around to new places and in those new places will be town NPC's with a question mark above their heads. You will get your quests from them as questing is the primary means of leveling, not grinding a camp or zone like EQ.

There is an active quest tracker to help you keep up, no one reads these as the quest area/mobs to kill will pop up in your map and lead you to them. What you need to do will be labeled on your active quest tracker, just complete what it wants and return to the quest NPC for rewards and some xp. You don't have to learn the lay of the land or check maps/spawns on a wiki site.

The game keeps you moving from place to place. All of your spells/ability can be on the hotbars at the same time. There is no spell book. There is no need for food/water except for boosts. All classes get a "gate" ability they can use every so often to return to town. Some of your dungeons are instanced so you will not have to share. You can also level up and raid without speaking to another soul so you can avoid the neckbeards as much as possible.

The artstyle is specifically WoW, this is when Blizzard changed up their style to be more pleasing. Its cartoonish but not offensive or grim. Later games such as Diablo 3 are said to have been improved due to this change. Wow is the more accessible MMO"RPG" and for many it was their first game of this type.

Shoulder armor is large. You can be a skeleton undead. Leeroy Jeeeenkins. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLyOj_QD4a4)

Mr. T was a nightelf Mohawk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vF3-BsoxE)

[Daldaen]

No neckbeards ruining the experience for everyone else you say? I’m intrigued.

What will the neckbeards that inevitably go to WoW Classic be focusing on? Are there certain quests or open world mobs they camp for pixels they can corner the market on? Or will they all be rushing up to level 60 to raid instances together or PvP?

Is there some Manastone or Guise type camp, quest or instance that nerds will be rushing to before it gets removed early on?

[feniin]

No neckbeards ruining the experience for everyone else you say? I’m intrigued.

What will the neckbeards that inevitably go to WoW Classic be focusing on? Are there certain quests or open world mobs they camp for pixels they can corner the market on? Or will they all be rushing up to level 60 to raid instances together or PvP?

Is there some Manastone or Guise type camp, quest or instance that nerds will be rushing to before it gets removed early on?
Literally zero competition.

[Mblake81]

Did you never play WoW in 2004 or private servers since? Quest areas are going to be over populated and highly competitive even with layering. Robthe would have a field day with autofire.

Quit trolling the same repetitive garbage for 16 hours a day.

Me and my roommates did shortly after release. The competition he refers to is waiting for one of the quest mobs to repop (like a few minutes) and getting it first before one of the other guys do. For example: Skeletons and bats in the EQ newbie zone, trying to get the repops on them before another guy does.

Run back to town, or better yet check your quest tracker (if you got all the quests in town) and run to the next quest. Finish all of them and then go back to town instead of wasting time running back and forth.

[Mblake81]

There might be a quest to pickup some ground spawns (like dragon rings tooths) and you need to be on it to get them before the next guy. Some quests have you click something in an area while you keep creatures off you that are around your level.

[Mblake81]

Very little to any downtime. Just run to the next quest and forget those fools at the last area. Hell, one of them even tried to speak to you.. that loser. He could have got the groundspawn first if he wasn't trying to say hello.

Wow is more action oriented and fast paced. EQ has you sit down to med or regain health.

Barrens is an area known for "barrens chat". This is like East Commonlands chat or really any other place in EQ. People in WoW talk here so its memorable.

I was once reported for talking in an area outside the barrens, I was roleplaying my troll hunter. The troll NPCs talk like Jamaicans so I was saying stuff like "Eyyyy Mon, we be killin deez bears". It offended some guy.

[Vallaen]

I'd like more stories on this troll roleplay. Seems 10/10.

[Sloshed]

Best thing about WoW classic will be no batphones. I play when I want to play.

[Mblake81]

Is there some Manastone or Guise type camp, quest or instance that nerds will be rushing to before it gets removed early on?

There are no camps per se. WoW was made to solve EQ problems. People do sell things at auction houses but for the life of me I can't remember a single item. There is nothing like a FBSS, a fungi etc..

IIRC there are no special mobs like a Quilmane flying around South karana, if that makes sense. There is no levitate spells. You don't need spells or items to navigate the landscape. You can buy a ride to another town via a flying creature and that is cool the first time.

The item lust is not the same so if that appeals to you then WoW is your solution. You get items via quests like better armor or a weapon. So just go to the next area and complete those to get your better loot.

PVP also has item rewards, I never really bothered with it so I can't speak to that.

[Mblake81]

Sounds like you have fond memories with your triple post.

I played a lot of MMORPGs.. who remembers Earth & Beyond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_f3mWHgGKU) or JumpGate..

Anyway, I don't think I actually subbed. I played the first free month then quit, it didn't have that certain something. Actually that was an issue with all MMORPGs going forward after this time for me.. peaking in Conan online (shivers)

I remember some details, I wouldn't call them fond though. I am also bored at the moment so this is passing some time.

[Mblake81]

I'd like more stories on this troll roleplay. Seems 10/10.

I don't remember really, just a vague detail. Take anything you want to say and use a jamaican flair. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brelmVAI5OM)

[Endonde]

Mblake81 is confusing many features that came much later in WoW with Classic wow.

I would say the appeal of WoW for most people though is that it's seen as a healthy middle ground between the brutality of Everquest and older MMO's, and the completely on rails experience that you tend to get in Modern MMO's.

Classic WoW is a more skill based game than Everquest, the leveling doesn't require high skill but once you start getting into higher end dungeons and raids it starts to become much more mechanic based than anything in Classic EQ.

Classic WoW also has a pretty decent PvP system that again is kind of a balance between EQ PvP where class balance is non existent, and modern MMO PvP where classes are mostly homogenized. It's mostly a rock paper scissors type game with Warrior>Rogue>Mage>Warrior that type of thing in terms of PvP, but again skill is much more important in WoW PvP, Eq PvP is predominantly about who has the most gear, WoW PvP while gear is relevant, skill is the more determining factor.

WoW PvP is also not just restricted to the open world PvP that Everquest is, there are also game modes that you can join like Capture the flag, and King of the hill type maps, people hold 1v1 dueling tournaments, and eventually (not technically classic) they add 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 arena's that you can queue up for.

Everquest is a very good game for social interaction the game forces you to meet people to be able to do almost any content, but WoW is a better game in most ways if i'm being honest.

[Daldaen]

How long will it take the neckbeards to reach level 60 from scratch and how long will it take a normal employed individual who keeps up with personal hygiene?

[Freakish]

There are no camps per se. WoW was made to solve EQ problems. People do sell things at auction houses but for the life of me I can't remember a single item. There is nothing like a FBSS, a fungi etc..

IIRC there are no special mobs like a Quilmane flying around South karana, if that makes sense. There is no levitate spells. You don't need spells or items to navigate the landscape. You can buy a ride to another town via a flying creature and that is cool the first time.

The item lust is not the same so if that appeals to you then WoW is your solution. You get items via quests like better armor or a weapon. So just go to the next area and complete those to get your better loot.

PVP also has item rewards, I never really bothered with it so I can't speak to that.

There are rare mobs with silver borders on their names. The best pvp hunter pet is a rare named with 24hour+ respawn. Epic level BOEs sell for a lot and certain BoE sell much better than you would expect due to the required level being near the max of that pvp range without going over. And then you camp black lotus, mining nodes, baron rivendare mount etc. There are absolutely rares to camp.

[Endonde]

Is there some Manastone or Guise type camp, quest or instance that nerds will be rushing to before it gets removed early on?

I don't know of anything that gets removed from the game during classic, but there are several high end quests that people will fight over. Most of these quests require raid drops and with 40 man raids its up to your guild to decide you deserve these items.

Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
Sulfuruas, Hand of Ragnaros
Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian

Those are the ones the come to mind for me, and these are essentially like the epics of WoW Classic.

There are also other rare item drops from certain places that can be farmed, a popular hobby in WoW Classic is low level pvp, you gear a low level toon to the max potential, and that involves farming some rare items.

There are also a few rare mounts that can be farmed in dungeons, and some cosmetic items like Orb of Deception.

[Mblake81]

Mblake81 is confusing many features that came much later in WoW with Classic wow.

That is entirely possible. My roommates continued to play it as I turned away from MMORPGs and got more into FPS.

https://i.imgur.com/tb4RKhg.jpg

[Mblake81]

There are rare mobs with silver borders on their names. The best pvp hunter pet is a rare named with 24hour+ respawn. Epic level BOEs sell for a lot and certain BoE sell much better than you would expect due to the required level being near the max of that pvp range without going over. And then you camp black lotus, mining nodes, baron rivendare mount etc. There are absolutely rares to camp.

I stand corrected.

[Endonde]

How long will it take the neckbeards to reach level 60 from scratch and how long will it take a normal employed individual who keeps up with personal hygiene?

It really depends on class, some classes have a much easier time leveling than others, but the neckbeards will likely hit 60 within 2 weeks, and for a normal human being i'd say 4-6 weeks.

[smitho1984]

Best thing about WoW classic will be no batphones. I play when I want to play.

The random chaos and uncertainty of P99 is my allure.

[Mblake81]

There's also a levitate spell.

ah, maybe my memory of it just slipped. I don't recall. (https://wow.gamepedia.com/Levitate)

Corrected x2

[Mblake81]

Best thing about WoW classic will be no batphones. I play when I want to play.

I get what you are saying but there were no batphones in classic EQ. That is entirely a P99 thing due to new tech. The only contact with my guild outside of the game was on our yahoo groups page (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/recklessfury/conversations/messages) and some minor ICQ use.

[Swiftyfist]

bah i could care less about classic at this point how many years into vellious....bring in the custom content...even if it was just warders or custom fashion quest items...we need to step away from "classic" and move onto expanding...i want to see 9000 people on this server! LETS GET IT *calms down*

[Freakish]

My personal coveted item in classic was the hyacinth macaw pet. Stupid rare drop off bloodsail pirates. Never saw one drop.

[feniin]

Did you never play WoW in 2004 or private servers since? Quest areas are going to be over populated and highly competitive even with layering. Robthe would have a field day with autofire.

Quit trolling the same repetitive garbage for 16 hours a day.

Played from closed beta until I was bored and quit 2 months after release. There will be an infinite number of mobs to level with. They will have multiple instances of every area running so there will be no constraints.

[Wonkie]

No neckbeards ruining the experience for everyone else you say? I’m intrigued.

What will the neckbeards that inevitably go to WoW Classic be focusing on? Are there certain quests or open world mobs they camp for pixels they can corner the market on? Or will they all be rushing up to level 60 to raid instances together or PvP?

Is there some Manastone or Guise type camp, quest or instance that nerds will be rushing to before it gets removed early on?

Couple world dragons and MC keys I think

[Mikebro]

Ever since Daldaen entered the thread it isn't fun anymore.... just like EQ after his bug reports.

Thanks dick <3

[kjs86z]

The amount of disinformation in this thread about what Classic WoW will be is pretty comical.

Day 1 server / NA first racer here through the end of TBC. I have played on the bigger private servers as well. Was in my guild's first full naxx clear before BC came out.

Classic WoW will be a forced META. If you do anything outside of the exact "proper" way of doing things, you'll be instantly removed and will find yourself with nothing to do at 60 as the rest of the server blows through content they've been practicing for for years on private servers.

The ONLY playable-at-60 specs are as follows:

Druid - Resto
Hunter - Marks (hunters are garbage tier damage and brought basically for tranq shot)
Mage - Frost initially then swapping to Fire w/ better gear for rolling ignites
Paladin - Holy
Priest - Holy (small exception suuuuuper late into naxx, some guilds might run shadow priests for loatheb)
Rogue - Combat (swords)
Shaman - Resto
Warlock - DS / Ruin (literally spam shadowbolt)
Warrior - prot (the select few neckbeards that get funneled gear will go fury for top-tier damage horde side w/ WF totem)

If you are not one of these specs with the 100% most optimized talent choices, you will be shunned. These people know the entire game by heart and will not take kindly to casual scum that aren't perfectly optimized playing their class to its maximum potential.

That's it. If you want to tank, you better play a warrior. If you want to do relevant damage, you better be playing a lock / mage / rogue (+warrior if your neckbeard has cheeto dust sprinkled all through it).

Lastly (and most importantly for anyone thinking about raiding), you will be expected to show up to raids with every single consumable relevant to your class. That means farming for 20+ hours / week for either the cash or materials for things like flasks, weapon oils, HP pots, mana pots, resist pots, stat/armor elixirs, winterspring jujus, un'goro buffs, tubers, dark/demonic runes, etc etc etc. You will be competing against hundreds, if not thousands of other raiders to farm enough of these to carry you through a 3-4 night / week raid schedule. Consumable requirements only increase the further you progress. Never got to naxx on live because you sucked and couldn't put the time in? Its going to be the exact same fucking thing this time around.



Now let's take a look at PvP.

Taking into consideration all I've said about the PvE side....let me tell you how big the gap in PvP power is between those that are bleeding edge raiders and those that are not. Raid gear is incredibly strong in PvP...so if you aren't out there slaying the top bosses every week....you're going to get absolutely destroyed by those people that are. It won't even be close. You better be raiding AND have gnomish engineering as a profession because everyone and their grandma is going to be using things like rocket boots, rocket cap, MC cap, bombs, etc. Oh, and they're gonna be blowing consumables in BGs too.


Welcome to classic WoW.

[reznor_]

The amount of disinformation in this thread about what Classic WoW will be is pretty comical.

Day 1 server / NA first racer here through the end of TBC. I have played on the bigger private servers as well. Was in my guild's first full naxx clear before BC came out.

Classic WoW will be a forced META. If you do anything outside of the exact "proper" way of doing things, you'll be instantly removed and will find yourself with nothing to do at 60 as the rest of the server blows through content they've been practicing for for years on private servers.

The ONLY playable-at-60 specs are as follows:

Druid - Resto
Hunter - Marks (hunters are garbage tier damage and brought basically for tranq shot)
Mage - Frost initially then swapping to Fire w/ better gear for rolling ignites
Paladin - Holy
Priest - Holy (small exception suuuuuper late into naxx, some guilds might run shadow priests for loatheb)
Rogue - Combat (swords)
Shaman - Resto
Warlock - DS / Ruin (literally spam shadowbolt)
Warrior - prot (the select few neckbeards that get funneled gear will go fury for top-tier damage horde side w/ WF totem)

If you are not one of these specs with the 100% most optimized talent choices, you will be shunned. These people know the entire game by heart and will not take kindly to casual scum that aren't perfectly optimized playing their class to its maximum potential.

That's it. If you want to tank, you better play a warrior. If you want to do relevant damage, you better be playing a lock / mage / rogue (+warrior if your neckbeard has cheeto dust sprinkled all through it).

Lastly (and most importantly for anyone thinking about raiding), you will be expected to show up to raids with every single consumable relevant to your class. That means farming for 20+ hours / week for either the cash or materials for things like flasks, weapon oils, HP pots, mana pots, resist pots, stat/armor elixirs, winterspring jujus, un'goro buffs, tubers, dark/demonic runes, etc etc etc. You will be competing against hundreds, if not thousands of other raiders to farm enough of these to carry you through a 3-4 night / week raid schedule. Consumable requirements only increase the further you progress. Never got to naxx on live because you sucked and couldn't put the time in? Its going to be the exact same fucking thing this time around.



Now let's take a look at PvP.

Taking into consideration all I've said about the PvE side....let me tell you how big the gap in PvP power is between those that are bleeding edge raiders and those that are not. Raid gear is incredibly strong in PvP...so if you aren't out there slaying the top bosses every week....you're going to get absolutely destroyed by those people that are. It won't even be close. You better be raiding AND have gnomish engineering as a profession because everyone and their grandma is going to be using things like rocket boots, rocket cap, MC cap, bombs, etc. Oh, and they're gonna be blowing consumables in BGs too.


Welcome to classic WoW.

Fucking nerds. Jesus Christ.

[reznor_]

BTW stop being lazy and leash the dragons to a reasonable amount of locs. Let them be positioned a bit. This static root blows (and I can’t be the only one to think this, and it can’t be restricted only to Aftermath members, I mean c’mon now), but I do enjoy the crawl, the aggro mechanics of the guards and it’s fun seeing other guilds running around ToV too.

[Wonkie]

Fucking nerds. Jesus Christ.

[Daloon]

I will be playing Classic WoW in a semi-hardcore PVP guild. I've been pretty casual on P99 the last half-year or so but my prediction is this:

Project1999 will be crippled with Green99 + Classic WoW launching within a few months of each other. 750 people online as I type this - I imagine that drops a few hundred as the P99 player-base spreads across WoW, Green, Blue, and many years of Velious with no major content on the horizon or even announced. I do not think Green will bring in old players as much as it will just divide up the current ones.

[Mblake81]

The 200 left will not need rotations or any of that jazz, but then again its up to them at that point.

[Tibbs12]

Or atleast admit that you WERE the tyrannical scum of the server.

ROFL...what?

raiding, killing monsters, hanging out with your friends = tyrannical scum??

its just a game man lol

[Vallaen]

People are taking this very serious

[Fifield]

The amount of disinformation in this thread about what Classic WoW will be is pretty comical.

Day 1 server / NA first racer here through the end of TBC. I have played on the bigger private servers as well. Was in my guild's first full naxx clear before BC came out.

Classic WoW will be a forced META. If you do anything outside of the exact "proper" way of doing things, you'll be instantly removed and will find yourself with nothing to do at 60 as the rest of the server blows through content they've been practicing for for years on private servers.

The ONLY playable-at-60 specs are as follows:

Druid - Resto
Hunter - Marks (hunters are garbage tier damage and brought basically for tranq shot)
Mage - Frost initially then swapping to Fire w/ better gear for rolling ignites
Paladin - Holy
Priest - Holy (small exception suuuuuper late into naxx, some guilds might run shadow priests for loatheb)
Rogue - Combat (swords)
Shaman - Resto
Warlock - DS / Ruin (literally spam shadowbolt)
Warrior - prot (the select few neckbeards that get funneled gear will go fury for top-tier damage horde side w/ WF totem)

If you are not one of these specs with the 100% most optimized talent choices, you will be shunned. These people know the entire game by heart and will not take kindly to casual scum that aren't perfectly optimized playing their class to its maximum potential.

That's it. If you want to tank, you better play a warrior. If you want to do relevant damage, you better be playing a lock / mage / rogue (+warrior if your neckbeard has cheeto dust sprinkled all through it).

Lastly (and most importantly for anyone thinking about raiding), you will be expected to show up to raids with every single consumable relevant to your class. That means farming for 20+ hours / week for either the cash or materials for things like flasks, weapon oils, HP pots, mana pots, resist pots, stat/armor elixirs, winterspring jujus, un'goro buffs, tubers, dark/demonic runes, etc etc etc. You will be competing against hundreds, if not thousands of other raiders to farm enough of these to carry you through a 3-4 night / week raid schedule. Consumable requirements only increase the further you progress. Never got to naxx on live because you sucked and couldn't put the time in? Its going to be the exact same fucking thing this time around.



Now let's take a look at PvP.

Taking into consideration all I've said about the PvE side....let me tell you how big the gap in PvP power is between those that are bleeding edge raiders and those that are not. Raid gear is incredibly strong in PvP...so if you aren't out there slaying the top bosses every week....you're going to get absolutely destroyed by those people that are. It won't even be close. You better be raiding AND have gnomish engineering as a profession because everyone and their grandma is going to be using things like rocket boots, rocket cap, MC cap, bombs, etc. Oh, and they're gonna be blowing consumables in BGs too.


Welcome to classic WoW.


This is only true for hardcore guilds... There will be plenty of guilds going casual and not trying for world firsts that will bring people of any spec to raids.

You nailed it on the head with PvP though. The hardcores who get mc gear well before me and have consumables will dominate PvP.

[kjs86z]

This is only true for hardcore guilds... There will be plenty of guilds going casual and not trying for world firsts that will bring people of any spec to raids.

You nailed it on the head with PvP though. The hardcores who get mc gear well before me and have consumables will dominate PvP.

Can't get a world first on something that was done in 2005.

I already "beat" WoW (#1 US shadowpriest). I'm not going back.

[Hideousclaw]

Can't get a world first on something that was done in 2005.

I already "beat" WoW (#1 US shadowpriest). I'm not going back.

World First 2nd Time Around on an Official Server First Time First

[Vallaen]

I only play for keeps, no takesys backsys

[aaezil]

The amount of disinformation in this thread about what Classic WoW will be is pretty comical.

Day 1 server / NA first racer here through the end of TBC. I have played on the bigger private servers as well. Was in my guild's first full naxx clear before BC came out.

Classic WoW will be a forced META. If you do anything outside of the exact "proper" way of doing things, you'll be instantly removed and will find yourself with nothing to do at 60 as the rest of the server blows through content they've been practicing for for years on private servers.

The ONLY playable-at-60 specs are as follows:

Druid - Resto
Hunter - Marks (hunters are garbage tier damage and brought basically for tranq shot)
Mage - Frost initially then swapping to Fire w/ better gear for rolling ignites
Paladin - Holy
Priest - Holy (small exception suuuuuper late into naxx, some guilds might run shadow priests for loatheb)
Rogue - Combat (swords)
Shaman - Resto
Warlock - DS / Ruin (literally spam shadowbolt)
Warrior - prot (the select few neckbeards that get funneled gear will go fury for top-tier damage horde side w/ WF totem)

If you are not one of these specs with the 100% most optimized talent choices, you will be shunned. These people know the entire game by heart and will not take kindly to casual scum that aren't perfectly optimized playing their class to its maximum potential.

That's it. If you want to tank, you better play a warrior. If you want to do relevant damage, you better be playing a lock / mage / rogue (+warrior if your neckbeard has cheeto dust sprinkled all through it).

Lastly (and most importantly for anyone thinking about raiding), you will be expected to show up to raids with every single consumable relevant to your class. That means farming for 20+ hours / week for either the cash or materials for things like flasks, weapon oils, HP pots, mana pots, resist pots, stat/armor elixirs, winterspring jujus, un'goro buffs, tubers, dark/demonic runes, etc etc etc. You will be competing against hundreds, if not thousands of other raiders to farm enough of these to carry you through a 3-4 night / week raid schedule. Consumable requirements only increase the further you progress. Never got to naxx on live because you sucked and couldn't put the time in? Its going to be the exact same fucking thing this time around.



Now let's take a look at PvP.

Taking into consideration all I've said about the PvE side....let me tell you how big the gap in PvP power is between those that are bleeding edge raiders and those that are not. Raid gear is incredibly strong in PvP...so if you aren't out there slaying the top bosses every week....you're going to get absolutely destroyed by those people that are. It won't even be close. You better be raiding AND have gnomish engineering as a profession because everyone and their grandma is going to be using things like rocket boots, rocket cap, MC cap, bombs, etc. Oh, and they're gonna be blowing consumables in BGs too.


Welcome to classic WoW.


Wow i hope one day you get laid

[savagefilip]

The amount of disinformation in this thread about what Classic WoW will be is pretty comical.

Day 1 server / NA first racer here through the end of TBC. I have played on the bigger private servers as well. Was in my guild's first full naxx clear before BC came out.

Classic WoW will be a forced META. If you do anything outside of the exact "proper" way of doing things, you'll be instantly removed and will find yourself with nothing to do at 60 as the rest of the server blows through content they've been practicing for for years on private servers.

The ONLY playable-at-60 specs are as follows:

Druid - Resto
Hunter - Marks (hunters are garbage tier damage and brought basically for tranq shot)
Mage - Frost initially then swapping to Fire w/ better gear for rolling ignites
Paladin - Holy
Priest - Holy (small exception suuuuuper late into naxx, some guilds might run shadow priests for loatheb)
Rogue - Combat (swords)
Shaman - Resto
Warlock - DS / Ruin (literally spam shadowbolt)
Warrior - prot (the select few neckbeards that get funneled gear will go fury for top-tier damage horde side w/ WF totem)

If you are not one of these specs with the 100% most optimized talent choices, you will be shunned. These people know the entire game by heart and will not take kindly to casual scum that aren't perfectly optimized playing their class to its maximum potential.

That's it. If you want to tank, you better play a warrior. If you want to do relevant damage, you better be playing a lock / mage / rogue (+warrior if your neckbeard has cheeto dust sprinkled all through it).

Lastly (and most importantly for anyone thinking about raiding), you will be expected to show up to raids with every single consumable relevant to your class. That means farming for 20+ hours / week for either the cash or materials for things like flasks, weapon oils, HP pots, mana pots, resist pots, stat/armor elixirs, winterspring jujus, un'goro buffs, tubers, dark/demonic runes, etc etc etc. You will be competing against hundreds, if not thousands of other raiders to farm enough of these to carry you through a 3-4 night / week raid schedule. Consumable requirements only increase the further you progress. Never got to naxx on live because you sucked and couldn't put the time in? Its going to be the exact same fucking thing this time around.



Now let's take a look at PvP.

Taking into consideration all I've said about the PvE side....let me tell you how big the gap in PvP power is between those that are bleeding edge raiders and those that are not. Raid gear is incredibly strong in PvP...so if you aren't out there slaying the top bosses every week....you're going to get absolutely destroyed by those people that are. It won't even be close. You better be raiding AND have gnomish engineering as a profession because everyone and their grandma is going to be using things like rocket boots, rocket cap, MC cap, bombs, etc. Oh, and they're gonna be blowing consumables in BGs too.


Welcome to classic WoW.

Good lord I can smell you through the screen.

[Aadill]

The amount of disinformation in this thread about what Classic WoW will be is pretty comical.

Day 1 server / NA first racer here through the end of TBC. I have played on the bigger private servers as well. Was in my guild's first full naxx clear before BC came out.

Classic WoW will be a forced META. If you do anything outside of the exact "proper" way of doing things, you'll be instantly removed and will find yourself with nothing to do at 60 as the rest of the server blows through content they've been practicing for for years on private servers.

The ONLY playable-at-60 specs are as follows:

Druid - Resto
Hunter - Marks (hunters are garbage tier damage and brought basically for tranq shot)
Mage - Frost initially then swapping to Fire w/ better gear for rolling ignites
Paladin - Holy
Priest - Holy (small exception suuuuuper late into naxx, some guilds might run shadow priests for loatheb)
Rogue - Combat (swords)
Shaman - Resto
Warlock - DS / Ruin (literally spam shadowbolt)
Warrior - prot (the select few neckbeards that get funneled gear will go fury for top-tier damage horde side w/ WF totem)

If you are not one of these specs with the 100% most optimized talent choices, you will be shunned. These people know the entire game by heart and will not take kindly to casual scum that aren't perfectly optimized playing their class to its maximum potential.

That's it. If you want to tank, you better play a warrior. If you want to do relevant damage, you better be playing a lock / mage / rogue (+warrior if your neckbeard has cheeto dust sprinkled all through it).

Lastly (and most importantly for anyone thinking about raiding), you will be expected to show up to raids with every single consumable relevant to your class. That means farming for 20+ hours / week for either the cash or materials for things like flasks, weapon oils, HP pots, mana pots, resist pots, stat/armor elixirs, winterspring jujus, un'goro buffs, tubers, dark/demonic runes, etc etc etc. You will be competing against hundreds, if not thousands of other raiders to farm enough of these to carry you through a 3-4 night / week raid schedule. Consumable requirements only increase the further you progress. Never got to naxx on live because you sucked and couldn't put the time in? Its going to be the exact same fucking thing this time around.



Now let's take a look at PvP.

Taking into consideration all I've said about the PvE side....let me tell you how big the gap in PvP power is between those that are bleeding edge raiders and those that are not. Raid gear is incredibly strong in PvP...so if you aren't out there slaying the top bosses every week....you're going to get absolutely destroyed by those people that are. It won't even be close. You better be raiding AND have gnomish engineering as a profession because everyone and their grandma is going to be using things like rocket boots, rocket cap, MC cap, bombs, etc. Oh, and they're gonna be blowing consumables in BGs too.


Welcome to classic WoW.

I'm pretty sure this is the reason it took almost 15 years and a complete shift in technology accessibility (mobile gaming) to make gamers "normal" in the eyes of the majority of society.

[azeth]

As if 99% of us couldn't type the same diatribe about everquest

[Clazxiss]

Can't get a world first on something that was done in 2005.

I already "beat" WoW (#1 US shadowpriest). I'm not going back.

#1 S-priest for what exactly? I notice people make these claims before achievements were released. Once that happened, Blizzard became the keeper of player records, making claims irrefutable or easily debunked.

Player measured success is something I've learned to be leery of in games just because there's a widespread history of skewed records. It's not just MMORPG games, just about every gaming platform has had doctored records.

[Vallaen]

How is it possible we have so many #1 players and top guild people. What happened to all the people that were just average.

[branamil]

As if 99% of us couldn't type the same diatribe about everquest

I read this as diabetic

[reznor_]

I read this as diabetic

As a type 1 diabetic, I take umbrage with this statement.

[KansasComrade]

Can we get back to the meat of this conversation? I think we can eek out another 40 pages if we keep on task here fellas.

[rezzie]

TL;DR

Riot called out Aftermath repeatedly for never offering up mobs and being the toxic cock-blockers that always prevent casuals from experiencing content or getting opportunities to learn encounters.

Aftermath responded by offering the top tier ToV mobs every other cycle, calling Riot's bluff. Aftermath's proposal had no conditions or restrictions attached other than Riot adhere to the same standard.

Riot declined, and is currently working behind the scenes to try and find a way to spin their refusal back onto the "Aftermath is bad" narrative they need to paint by deflecting the discussion away from their rapid decline from server heroes to pixel hungry assholes, becoming the beast they once despised.

Riot spent months accusing Aftermath of being gloating, zergling, sore winners who were toxic on RnF. They now appear blind to their hypocrisy and justify their about-face with the reasoning "Yeah but you guys did it too!", while ignoring the fact they were supposed to be better than us.

It was always going to happen but I expected it to take longer than two months.

See you in another 40 pages.

[Vallaen]

I'm naming my mage on WoW NicolasMage

[feniin]

TL;DR

Riot called out Aftermath repeatedly for never offering up mobs and being the toxic cock-blockers that always prevent casuals from experiencing content or getting opportunities to learn encounters.

Aftermath responded by offering the top tier ToV mobs every other cycle, calling Riot's bluff. Aftermath's proposal had no conditions or restrictions attached other than Riot adhere to the same standard.

Riot declined, and is currently working behind the scenes to try and find a way to spin their refusal back onto the "Aftermath is bad" narrative they need to paint by deflecting the discussion away from their rapid decline from server heroes to pixel hungry assholes, becoming the beast they once despised.

Riot spent months accusing Aftermath of being gloating, zergling, sore winners who were toxic on RnF. They now appear blind to their hypocrisy and justify their about-face with the reasoning "Yeah but you guys did it too!", while ignoring the fact they were supposed to be better than us.

It was always going to happen but I expected it to take longer than two months.

See you in another 40 pages.

nah.

[shutdown]

TL;DR

Riot called out Aftermath repeatedly for never offering up mobs and being the toxic cock-blockers that always prevent casuals from experiencing content or getting opportunities to learn encounters.

Aftermath responded by offering the top tier ToV mobs every other cycle, calling Riot's bluff. Aftermath's proposal had no conditions or restrictions attached other than Riot adhere to the same standard.

Riot declined, and is currently working behind the scenes to try and find a way to spin their refusal back onto the "Aftermath is bad" narrative they need to paint by deflecting the discussion away from their rapid decline from server heroes to pixel hungry assholes, becoming the beast they once despised.

Riot spent months accusing Aftermath of being gloating, zergling, sore winners who were toxic on RnF. They now appear blind to their hypocrisy and justify their about-face with the reasoning "Yeah but you guys did it too!", while ignoring the fact they were supposed to be better than us.

It was always going to happen but I expected it to take longer than two months.

See you in another 40 pages.

That’s the worst TL;DR ever. Seek help

[rezzie]

the only reason vulak/vyemm are on that list is because detoxx was betting that "the casuals" couldn't kill them and they'd get a chance anyway

Nope.

No time limits, no limits on the number of attempts, no restrictions. Every other spawn of these dragons will result in a fair shot for any other guilds who wish to give it a go

It stays up until someone other than Riot/Aftermath kills it.

[Halox]

TL;DR

Riot called out Aftermath repeatedly for never offering up mobs and being the toxic cock-blockers that always prevent casuals from experiencing content or getting opportunities to learn encounters.

Aftermath responded by offering the top tier ToV mobs every other cycle, calling Riot's bluff. Aftermath's proposal had no conditions or restrictions attached other than Riot adhere to the same standard.

Riot declined, and is currently working behind the scenes to try and find a way to spin their refusal back onto the "Aftermath is bad" narrative they need to paint by deflecting the discussion away from their rapid decline from server heroes to pixel hungry assholes, becoming the beast they once despised.

Riot spent months accusing Aftermath of being gloating, zergling, sore winners who were toxic on RnF. They now appear blind to their hypocrisy and justify their about-face with the reasoning "Yeah but you guys did it too!", while ignoring the fact they were supposed to be better than us.

It was always going to happen but I expected it to take longer than two months.

See you in another 40 pages.

I'm LOLing IRL right now. If you guys weren't getting your asses handed to you repeatedly on a weekly basis you would still be the gloating sore winners. Please just stop. Seriously, stop.

All those people you guys shit on for so long banded together to "git gud" and now you're trying to turn it around and make them look like the bad guys now. It's not working.

[Wonkie]

nah.

[Swish2]

Has anyone involved in these AM/Riot shenanigans considered going outside instead yet?

[Jonabis]

TL;DR
Aftermath responded by offering the top tier ToV mobs every other cycle, calling Riot's bluff.

So this was only "offered" by AM to make Riot look as though they aren't willing to work with other guilds? The outcome doesn't matter to you since most of your core is done with p99. I guess if there is no sleeper to wake on your way out. Is this really the most creative thing you could come up with?

Thankfully Riot's guild leadership and the rest of this servers leadership know you all for what you are due to years of dealing with you guys. Why don't you guys just start spending some time watching WoW leveling guides on YouTube or something else more productive?

Just hush now child, you go on and try to be good. I want to be proud of you.

[Viscere]

Trying so hard to make us look bad makes you look terribly bad, fyi

[saftbudet]

All p99 residents know AM leadership(not members) are a pile of shit. We are all happy about you demishing powers. I think its impossible for Riot to be more of a douchebag then AM been. So have fun in WoW, noone will miss you here.

[Viscere]

The non-playmaking wall licking Riot backbenchers who live on RnF aren’t helping their guild’s image.

The salt triggered by Detoxx's post is great to watch though lol

[YendorLootmonkey]

The non-playmaking wall licking Riot backbenchers who live on RnF aren’t helping their guild’s image.

And Tofat, Dannyl, Lazie, and Ramen have been?

[Ripqozko]

And Tofat, Dannyl, Lazie, and Ramen have been?

This backbencher hopped in front of them and successfully engaged koi. Not sure you enter tov to see the yellow text but was an awesome fight. Sorry you don’t got warder loot.

[Hotel]

And Tofat, Dannyl, Lazie, and Ramen have been?

yeah i'm definition warm body

you have such strong opinions for being so clueless

not to mention your entire p99 persona is societal cringe - congrats on your life

[Ruhtar]

you have such strong opinions for being so clueless

not to mention your entire p99 persona is societal cringe - congrats on your life

Pot meet kettle.

[kjs86z]

#1 S-priest for what exactly? I notice people make these claims before achievements were released. Once that happened, Blizzard became the keeper of player records, making claims irrefutable or easily debunked.

Player measured success is something I've learned to be leery of in games just because there's a widespread history of skewed records. It's not just MMORPG games, just about every gaming platform has had doctored records.

There was an old ranking site called WoW Web Stats (changed to World of Logs, now called something else probably). Used raid parses that all competitive guilds submitted logs to for analysis and e-peen measuring. It ranked people by class / spec for each fight.

[azxten]

Aftermath is trash and so is everyone in it. Still desperately trying to control the scraps of an idle server as usual which apparently they can't even manage that anymore. Please do come to WoW Classic, about 6 months after launch everyone will stop playing and you can own the leftovers there too. See you on Green where you'll no doubt be found, again, getting shit on until better players get bored and leave at which point you'll claim your title.

[rezzie]

So this was only "offered" by AM to make Riot look as though they aren't willing to work with other guilds?

No, it was offered up as Riot had been loudly beating their chests about all the opportunities they could offer up if only Aftermath wasn't in the way.

It just seems like Riot and their new found pixel thirst are only interesting in the perception they want to help the casuals, and they had a convenient excuse in the form of Aftermath as to why it couldn't happen.

Aftermath isn't in the way. The offer is there. It's a great offer and one Riot has been asking for for months - since before they were founded, even! Surprised they haven't bitten our hands off.

[Daldaen]

Let’s talk WoW Boxing.

Normal groups are what 5 members in WoW? Could you Box a full 5 man group? If so what’s the best combination of classes/specializations to roll with?

[Mblake81]

Let’s talk WoW Boxing.

Normal groups are what 5 members in WoW? Could you Box a full 5 man group? If so what’s the best combination of classes/specializations to roll with?

1 man guild. (https://www.engadget.com/2008/10/12/one-wow-player-controls-36-characters-simultaneously/) Massively Multiplayer.

https://i.imgur.com/YkA9UNY.jpg

[kotton05]

The amount of dkp inflation in AM was nuts I’m sure the nuts are now salted they can’t spend it before the server collapses into green/wow

[Mblake81]

No, it was offered up as Riot had been loudly beating their chests about all the opportunities they could offer up if only Aftermath wasn't in the way.

It just seems like Riot and their new found pixel thirst are only interesting in the perception they want to help the casuals, and they had a convenient excuse in the form of Aftermath as to why it couldn't happen.

Aftermath isn't in the way. The offer is there. It's a great offer and one Riot has been asking for for months - since before they were founded, even! Surprised they haven't bitten our hands off.

I have the documents.

[Ruhtar]

No, it was offered up as Riot had been loudly beating their chests about all the opportunities they could offer up if only Aftermath wasn't in the way.

It just seems like Riot and their new found pixel thirst are only interesting in the perception they want to help the casuals, and they had a convenient excuse in the form of Aftermath as to why it couldn't happen.

Aftermath isn't in the way. The offer is there. It's a great offer and one Riot has been asking for for months - since before they were founded, even! Surprised they haven't bitten our hands off.

This is what Detoxx and Monrezz does in the UN channel. A lot of negotiations / agreements are going on, D&M decline them all as they don't favor AM, then they propose some retarded ass offer that no one would agree to and use it as some form of an ultimatum. They rarely, if ever, budge from their position and are the cause of pretty much all arguments that occur in that channel. Detoxx usually ends on some note of, "I'll end this cancerous channel if I have to!!! I'm am so sick and tired of this shit!!! Fuck you!!!!1one"

D&M is attempting to do the same thing, except now they don't have any power, so they're doing their spin game on the forums like it'll make some kind of difference.

I applaud you guys for trying. Enjoy your time in WoW and let us know on the P99 forums what pixels you deny others of (in your guild, cuz instances).

[rezzie]

Riot seems to have an unhealthy obsession with Aftermath and not with helping the casuals by supporting the best proposal since Aftermath's March Madness.

[YendorLootmonkey]

yeah i'm definition warm body

you have such strong opinions for being so clueless

not to mention your entire p99 persona is societal cringe - congrats on your life

...says the guy asking hot dudes to post their pics in an elf forum a few pages back.... double yikes/cringe to the 3rd power.

[imsorryGMs]

The amount of dkp inflation in AM was nuts I’m sure the nuts are now salted they can’t spend it before the server collapses into green/wow

My buddy has been raiding to save up for an st key lately, has about 500 dkp and still can't afford it

[rezzie]

My buddy has been raiding to save up for an st key lately, has about 500 dkp and still can't afford it

Sounds like he has enough for 1,000 Tunare daggers, 1,000 Tolan's, or 142 Yeli heads though.

[Prostatus]

Riot out here looking like

[imsorryGMs]

Sounds like he has enough for 1,000 Tunare daggers, 1,000 Tolan's, or 142 Yeli heads though.

Idk about 1000 tolans since y'all don't kill vulak anymore

[rezzie]

My buddy has been raiding to save up for an st key lately, has about 500 dkp and still can't afford it

https://i.imgur.com/E2V987H.png
Looks like Riot maybe isn't his answer either.

[imsorryGMs]

https://i.imgur.com/E2V987H.png
Looks like Riot maybe isn't his answer either.

Yea. Last 3 st keys in AM: 525, 541, 500. Grats everyone's 3rd alt on st keys tho (riot and am alts)

[Vallaen]

Grats on ST keys sorry the warders arent up

[Chardy]

Aftermath is trash and so is everyone in it.

Who hurt you?

[Jonabis]

No, it was offered up as Riot had been loudly beating their chests about all the opportunities they could offer up if only Aftermath wasn't in the way.

It just seems like Riot and their new found pixel thirst are only interesting in the perception they want to help the casuals, and they had a convenient excuse in the form of Aftermath as to why it couldn't happen.

Aftermath isn't in the way. The offer is there. It's a great offer and one Riot has been asking for for months - since before they were founded, even! Surprised they haven't bitten our hands off.


How are you so sure Riot isn't discussing these options with those smaller guilds without you? Is that so far fetched? Just because AM signs off on an idea doesn't mean it is a good idea.

[rezzie]

I've posted multiple times that I suspect that is exactly what is happening and that Riot are preparing the launch of their next PR campaign shortly.

"Oh look, we've offered these non-inner ring mobs and Aftermath says no. Boo, Aftermath!"

Everything but inner ring can still be contested by any guild that can field a kill force. No need to zerg, diminishing returns from having a zerg, and no guilt from accepting welfare pixels.

The inner ring is so overwhelming determined by numbers they are effectively uncontestable and they also require the largest time investment to crawl to.

Disappointing how quickly pixel lust took over those founding principals. 400+ hungry mouths to feed and counting!

[baakss]

I've posted multiple times that I suspect that is exactly what is happening and that Riot are preparing the launch of their next PR campaign shortly.

"Oh look, we've offered these non-inner ring mobs and Aftermath says no. Boo, Aftermath!"

Everything but inner ring can still be contested by any guild that can field a kill force. No need to zerg, diminishing returns from having a zerg, and no guilt from accepting welfare pixels.

The inner ring is so overwhelming determined by numbers they are effectively uncontestable and they also require the largest time investment to crawl to.

Disappointing how quickly pixel lust took over those founding principals. 400+ hungry mouths to feed and counting!

Nobody contests non-inner ring mobs like KT , Doze, and Statue, you tool.

Doesn’t matter if they “can”. They still don’t because you need to park toons to have a shot, and most guilds you only have one raid viable toon per person. There’s a calculation of how likely you think you are to get a mob versus tying up your mains for a day waiting for a mob.

You tie up mains waiting for a Golem in CT? Good shot of getting one on CT pop at least, maybe more if AM/Riot are tied up.

You park for KT? Bad chance because AM/Riot have 6 racers each ready for 16 hours.

You are beyond dense.

[Vallaen]

Sorry you only have 1 main

[rezzie]

You park for KT? Bad chance because AM/Riot have 6 racers each ready for 16 hours.

You are beyond dense.

Wait, I'm confused. Are we still contesting mobs and cock-blocking the casuals, or are we a dead guild who doesn't contest anything and can't offer up mobs because we never kill things?

:confused::confused::confused:

[Not_Mikeo]

Wait, I'm confused. Are we still contesting mobs and cock-blocking the casuals, or are we a dead guild who doesn't contest anything and can't offer up mobs because we never kill things?

:confused::confused::confused:

It's the offering up of not contesting mobs that you're not really killing that's causing the confusion I think.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

[Not_Mikeo]

It's kinda like anyone posting here offering up to not contest a job opening or single girl.

[Ripqozko]

It's kinda like anyone posting here offering up to not contest a job opening or single girl.

I dunno I remember swimming with koi last week.

[Not_Mikeo]

I dunno I remember swimming with koi last week.

I'm glad that's the point of mine you chose to contest!

[Ripqozko]

I'm glad that's the point of mine you chose to contest!

I just hit quote man I don't pay attention ,rnf 101 just go with it lol.

[GnomeCaptain]

As if 99% of us couldn't type the same diatribe about everquest

I don't think it's quite the same. And it seems to have to do with the more completionist/perfectionist mentality encountered in WoW, owing to a less immersive environment in which most everything is handed to the player.

My experience on private WoW servers (I have a 60 rogue on one and a 60 druid on another, amongst alts) showed me nearly EVERYONE, even in pub raids, expects min/max to the extreme.

It's really quite lame.

My badass rogue was regularly mocked for daring to spec Assassination and use daggers. Even in his casual guild.

Like kjs said, things will be forced to a specific meta.

And the competition for quest mobs among the masses will be extreme. I saw that over and over when I played WoW expansions upon release.

There will be people hitting 60 within about 48 hours, people that have already done this dozens and dozens of times will be playing and pl'ing each others characters 24/7.

And some of them will make a living out of smashing lowbies in between MC raids.

Oddly enough, I sort of like that about WoW, that need to avoid the high level gank squads.

I can already see the high level characters, just a few days after release, slaughtering lowbies in Tarren Mill and Southshore. High level horde will crap all over Lakeshire.

Hmm this is making me want to re-activate my sub.

[GnomeCaptain]

Well maybe not 48 hours, more like within 4 to 5 days. First week for certain.

[madiguz1215]

I've posted multiple times that I suspect that is exactly what is happening and that Riot are preparing the launch of their next PR campaign shortly.

"Oh look, we've offered these non-inner ring mobs and Aftermath says no. Boo, Aftermath!"

Everything but inner ring can still be contested by any guild that can field a kill force. No need to zerg, diminishing returns from having a zerg, and no guilt from accepting welfare pixels.

The inner ring is so overwhelming determined by numbers they are effectively uncontestable and they also require the largest time investment to crawl to.

Disappointing how quickly pixel lust took over those founding principals. 400+ hungry mouths to feed and counting!

Pretty disappointing to see you guys give up so soon and so easily. It's only been a few months and your guild is losing their shit cuz you're not farming pixels. Why not embrace the competition? AM still gets mobs, just not all of them lol. Keep blaming the zerg, but Riot's numbers aren't so different to the point where you're not able to compete. There's actually some pretty important strategizing required to win mobs in tov, and you obviously haven't figured it out, so you've become desperate, and have thrown a wrench into the situation (which, btw, not even the smaller guilds have any desire to agree to). But you wouldn't know that would you? Instead of trying to engrave it into people's heads that what you're doing isn't out of spite, try communicating with the smaller guilds, and quit it with the ultimatums. This server would be a lot more enjoyable if you did.

[kotton05]

Aftermath didn’t want competition. It’s a shame it took the biggest zerg ever seen on p99 or hell maybe all of emu to make their true colors come out.

[Vallaen]

Rooted dragons is ass

[Kluwen2]

As much as it pains me, not a good look for AM. Where was this generous offer during the months/years you were dominating the raid scene?

The unfortunate reality is this raid scene has sucked for a while and now it's just more sucky.

[reznor_]

It's kinda like anyone posting here offering up to not contest a job opening or single girl.

Most of the people posting here lack any ability to contest any real person, boy or girl. Job probably a bit less.

[Kluwen2]

how's that bank account lookin?

Very good and yours?

[baakss]

Most of the people posting here lack any ability to contest any real person, boy or girl. Job probably a bit less.

How’s that any different than AM with inner ring ToV?

If only we could fish for concessions in the dating scene.

[branamil]

Imagine when you are 85 on your deathbed and you reminisce about how you were extremely upset in your diabetic, underemployed 30s about which mystical hero alliance was getting the most elf slippers of +11 stamina

[Daloon]

Can I kill Zlandicar while its' conceded if I log in an alt in a different guild?

Asking for a friend

[Hrothgar]

Idk, i kinda like the name, <Riot>. It has British punk vibes.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Hold my beer, guys... I'm gonna go sit at the zone-in in Seb and generously and benevolently offer up King camp to the rest of the zone, and then mock the group currently camping it and not rotating it with others as being the bad guys.

I mean, this is essentially what Aftermath is trying to legitimately defend while taking the rest of us all for idiots that might actually believe them, right?

So clearly, we should see them all around Norrath calling people out for not sharing their camps when they have no ownership of the camp, are not competing for the camp, and have not cleared the camp over the last few spawns. "Oh, and here you go.... here are the NTOV mobs we're not competitive for and have not been killing, we offer those up for rotation as well... if the guild actually killing them disagrees, then clearly they are the bad guys after all this time!!!"

This is what passes for group-think logic after you neckbeards have been staring at the computer hording pixels years into Velious? I think all the poopsocking, petitionquesting, training, and pixel lust has rotted your brains. I mean, poor Ramen has degraded into repetitive "Sorry you didn't get warder loot" like Al Bundy pathetically reminiscing over his four TD's in one game playing for Polk High years later. Did you guys honestly all hatch this little Scooby Doo plan up in your Discord while rubbing your greasy, cheeto-encrusted hands together?

Anyway, to the rest of server... that's how little AM thinks of us. They deny us pixels for years, tell us we need to "git gud" and earn our pixels, and then when some of you finally rise up and DO earn your pixels, AM spins THEM to be the bad guys as they bow out because they can't actually handle the competition they've kept pretending to want all these years. One last middle finger to the players that rose to the challenge, I suppose. They've lost their shit.

Seriously Aftermath... just leave with whatever shred of dignity some non-forum-reader might accidentally perceive you have. You've dominated the server long enough -- now that you can't compete because a subset of players you have been dominating and lording pixels over finally grouped together and pushed your shit in, can we all agree you should stop making fools of yourselves with this latest backfiring PR stunt to somehow depict THEM as the enemy and just go do your WoW/Green thing?

This is some real smoke-and-mirrors grasping-for-straws fuckery going on here that everyone sees right through, no matter how hard your spin doctors try to convince everyone otherwise.

We're not stupid, stop treating us like we are.

[Batso]

Yendork, I'm not convinced you're not stupid with that post. Please try again.

[Senescant]

I don't think we're gonna catch the BDA thread :(

[Vallaen]

I don't think we're gonna catch the BDA thread :(

We can try

[rezzie]

Riot could make a post with every mob they've wanted to leave for the casuals but couldn't because of Aftermath. One mob per post. We'll reach BDA in no time, right?

[Swish2]

I don't think we're gonna catch the BDA thread :(

It's not that hard, just allocate someone to double post on every page and be sure to add details that nobody cares about to keep the momentum going <3

[feniin]

Riot could make a post with every mob they've wanted to leave for the casuals but couldn't because of Aftermath. One mob per post. We'll reach BDA in no time, right?

Who are the causal raiding guilds now?

Guard Guard is a legitimate 2nd place as soon as next week. Aegis is raiding with Aftermath and therefore not casual.

Basically just Kittens and Dawn Believers left.

[Ripqozko]

Who are the causal raiding guilds now?

Guard Guard is a legitimate 2nd place as soon as next week. Aegis is raiding with Aftermath and therefore not casual.

Basically just Kittens and Dawn Believers left.

you seem to have lot of AM hate in your heart skribner, you were just farming with us not that long ago.

[Wonkie]

if Yendar is stupid and sees through this bullshit, what does that say about AM's cowardly spin attempt?

[Vallaen]

Typical AM scum.

Thank you Riot for sharing Vox loot with us casuals. Training everyone and then conceding 2 vox's. You guys are so nice for sharing.

[Capi]

Hold my beer, guys... I'm gonna go sit at the zone-in in Seb and generously and benevolently offer up King camp to the rest of the zone, and then mock the group currently camping it and not rotating it with others as being the bad guys.

I mean, this is essentially what Aftermath is trying to legitimately defend while taking the rest of us all for idiots that might actually believe them, right?

So clearly, we should see them all around Norrath calling people out for not sharing their camps when they have no ownership of the camp, are not competing for the camp, and have not cleared the camp over the last few spawns. "Oh, and here you go.... here are the NTOV mobs we're not competitive for and have not been killing, we offer those up for rotation as well... if the guild actually killing them disagrees, then clearly they are the bad guys after all this time!!!"

This is what passes for group-think logic after you neckbeards have been staring at the computer hording pixels years into Velious? I think all the poopsocking, petitionquesting, training, and pixel lust has rotted your brains. I mean, poor Ramen has degraded into repetitive "Sorry you didn't get warder loot" like Al Bundy pathetically reminiscing over his four TD's in one game playing for Polk High years later. Did you guys honestly all hatch this little Scooby Doo plan up in your Discord while rubbing your greasy, cheeto-encrusted hands together?

Anyway, to the rest of server... that's how little AM thinks of us. They deny us pixels for years, tell us we need to "git gud" and earn our pixels, and then when some of you finally rise up and DO earn your pixels, AM spins THEM to be the bad guys as they bow out because they can't actually handle the competition they've kept pretending to want all these years. One last middle finger to the players that rose to the challenge, I suppose. They've lost their shit.

Seriously Aftermath... just leave with whatever shred of dignity some non-forum-reader might accidentally perceive you have. You've dominated the server long enough -- now that you can't compete because a subset of players you have been dominating and lording pixels over finally grouped together and pushed your shit in, can we all agree you should stop making fools of yourselves with this latest backfiring PR stunt to somehow depict THEM as the enemy and just go do your WoW/Green thing?

This is some real smoke-and-mirrors grasping-for-straws fuckery going on here that everyone sees right through, no matter how hard your spin doctors try to convince everyone otherwise.

We're not stupid, stop treating us like we are.

I'll have you know I will not go quietly into the night.

[Daloon]

Can I kill Zlandicar while its' conceded if I log in an alt in a different guild?

Asking for a friend

They're avoiding this topic like the plague. I wonder why. Now that I quoted myself they will feel obliged to answer, surely.

[icedwards]

They're avoiding this topic like the plague. I wonder why. Now that I quoted myself they will feel obliged to answer, surely.

Do you think it was the weed or getting pixel cucked that turned your brain to mush?

[imsorryGMs]

Rooted dragons is ass

Amen, i want my loot conveyor belt back

[Naonak]

Let us see what happens AfterAegis

[shuklak]

Hold my beer, guys... I'm gonna go sit at the zone-in in Seb and generously and benevolently offer up King camp to the rest of the zone, and then mock the group currently camping it and not rotating it with others as being the bad guys.

I mean, this is essentially what Aftermath is trying to legitimately defend while taking the rest of us all for idiots that might actually believe them, right?

So clearly, we should see them all around Norrath calling people out for not sharing their camps when they have no ownership of the camp, are not competing for the camp, and have not cleared the camp over the last few spawns. "Oh, and here you go.... here are the NTOV mobs we're not competitive for and have not been killing, we offer those up for rotation as well... if the guild actually killing them disagrees, then clearly they are the bad guys after all this time!!!"

This is what passes for group-think logic after you neckbeards have been staring at the computer hording pixels years into Velious? I think all the poopsocking, petitionquesting, training, and pixel lust has rotted your brains. I mean, poor Ramen has degraded into repetitive "Sorry you didn't get warder loot" like Al Bundy pathetically reminiscing over his four TD's in one game playing for Polk High years later. Did you guys honestly all hatch this little Scooby Doo plan up in your Discord while rubbing your greasy, cheeto-encrusted hands together?

Anyway, to the rest of server... that's how little AM thinks of us. They deny us pixels for years, tell us we need to "git gud" and earn our pixels, and then when some of you finally rise up and DO earn your pixels, AM spins THEM to be the bad guys as they bow out because they can't actually handle the competition they've kept pretending to want all these years. One last middle finger to the players that rose to the challenge, I suppose. They've lost their shit.

Seriously Aftermath... just leave with whatever shred of dignity some non-forum-reader might accidentally perceive you have. You've dominated the server long enough -- now that you can't compete because a subset of players you have been dominating and lording pixels over finally grouped together and pushed your shit in, can we all agree you should stop making fools of yourselves with this latest backfiring PR stunt to somehow depict THEM as the enemy and just go do your WoW/Green thing?

This is some real smoke-and-mirrors grasping-for-straws fuckery going on here that everyone sees right through, no matter how hard your spin doctors try to convince everyone otherwise.

We're not stupid, stop treating us like we are.

King camp is a really solid farm. Kudos to them for sharing it.

[Genevensis]

Hold my beer, guys... I'm gonna go sit at the zone-in in Seb and generously and benevolently offer up King camp to the rest of the zone, and then mock the group currently camping it and not rotating it with others as being the bad guys.

I mean, this is essentially what Aftermath is trying to legitimately defend while taking the rest of us all for idiots that might actually believe them, right?

So clearly, we should see them all around Norrath calling people out for not sharing their camps when they have no ownership of the camp, are not competing for the camp, and have not cleared the camp over the last few spawns. "Oh, and here you go.... here are the NTOV mobs we're not competitive for and have not been killing, we offer those up for rotation as well... if the guild actually killing them disagrees, then clearly they are the bad guys after all this time!!!"

This is what passes for group-think logic after you neckbeards have been staring at the computer hording pixels years into Velious? I think all the poopsocking, petitionquesting, training, and pixel lust has rotted your brains. I mean, poor Ramen has degraded into repetitive "Sorry you didn't get warder loot" like Al Bundy pathetically reminiscing over his four TD's in one game playing for Polk High years later. Did you guys honestly all hatch this little Scooby Doo plan up in your Discord while rubbing your greasy, cheeto-encrusted hands together?

Anyway, to the rest of server... that's how little AM thinks of us. They deny us pixels for years, tell us we need to "git gud" and earn our pixels, and then when some of you finally rise up and DO earn your pixels, AM spins THEM to be the bad guys as they bow out because they can't actually handle the competition they've kept pretending to want all these years. One last middle finger to the players that rose to the challenge, I suppose. They've lost their shit.

Seriously Aftermath... just leave with whatever shred of dignity some non-forum-reader might accidentally perceive you have. You've dominated the server long enough -- now that you can't compete because a subset of players you have been dominating and lording pixels over finally grouped together and pushed your shit in, can we all agree you should stop making fools of yourselves with this latest backfiring PR stunt to somehow depict THEM as the enemy and just go do your WoW/Green thing?

This is some real smoke-and-mirrors grasping-for-straws fuckery going on here that everyone sees right through, no matter how hard your spin doctors try to convince everyone otherwise.

We're not stupid, stop treating us like we are.

[Jimjam]

Who are the causal raiding guilds now?

Guard Guard is a legitimate 2nd place as soon as next week. Aegis is raiding with Aftermath and therefore not casual.

Basically just Kittens and Dawn Believers left.

Is there even room for a guild that does things like scheduled planar trash clears, Kael arena or other low hanging fruits?

The meta is largely kill the best names with the least collateral possible.

Is there anyone breaking that mold?

[Sacer]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FunAverageYamSeemsGood

[Danth]

Is there even room for a guild that does things like scheduled planar trash clears, Kael arena or other low hanging fruits?

The meta is largely kill the best names with the least collateral possible.

Is there anyone breaking that mold?

There are presently zero stable dedicated lower-end guilds on P99. Most guilds at the lower-end tend to develop the pixel sickness and end up becoming higher-end (see: Kittens and many others) and the remainder imploded for this or that reason.


Danth

[feniin]

There are presently zero stable dedicated lower-end guilds on P99. Most guilds at the lower-end tend to develop the pixel sickness and end up becoming higher-end (see: Kittens and many others) and the remainder imploded for this or that reason.


Danth
Castle and Dawn Believers are pretty casual as far as I can tell. Seem to be doing alright.

[Classicranger]

There are presently zero stable dedicated lower-end guilds on P99. Most guilds at the lower-end tend to develop the pixel sickness and end up becoming higher-end (see: Kittens and many others) and the remainder imploded for this or that reason.


Danth


Wait- Kittens still does Kael Arena, Planes etc for 46+ non dkp regularly. Like every week.

[Tarskin]

Europa also still does scheduled planar raids, and other things

[Danth]

Castle and Dawn Believers are pretty casual as far as I can tell. Seem to be doing alright.

Castle is a leveling guild insofar as I know. My post was referring mainly to guilds focused on the level 60 portion of the game. I didn't spell that out directly in the earlier post so any lack of clarity is on me.

With respect to Dawn Believers: I'm under the impression it had progressed to the point (both in activity level and in terms of what it does) where it's no longer truly low-end. By all means correct me if I've over-estimated its progress. That's entirely possible as I have relatively few contacts within that guild. With its open-invite policy and generally laid-back demeanor it's probably the guild most fitting for a player desiring a stable lower-end guild. When I attempted to join it at one time the officer I talked to told me not to bother because they didn't want or need level 60's (it was still a dedicated leveling guild at that time). Obviously it has progressed since then--how much?

I was guilded in Kittens for roughly a year. It is absolutely NOT a low-end guild anymore by my use of the phrase and hasn't been for a long time. Like several other guilds it makes a place for casual-minded players on roster without the guild itself as a whole necessarily remaining lower-end. I regard lower-end guilds and casual-friendly raiding guilds as different sorts of entities, with Kittens representing the latter.

Danth

[Vallaen]

Arthion says, After this cycle, our enemies - Aftermath and their allies AEGIS - will claim any loss is because of WoW, or holidays, or BBQing - so let this cycle be our cycle. A time may come when our internet fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship - but it will not be this cycle! So I say:
Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more - as the blast of war cries out across the server, let our actions be the actions of a tiger. They call us zerg, so let us be - and when we fall, we will rise up to meet them. Let our pulls be clean, or CH chains tight and our speedbumps timely. We will grant our enemies not one FTE, let them win no races, and have no loot. We will win. We will show them we are better in every way and they will rue the day!

[Syche]

Arthion says, After this cycle, our enemies - Aftermath and their allies AEGIS - will claim any loss is because of WoW, or holidays, or BBQing - so let this cycle be our cycle. A time may come when our internet fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship - but it will not be this cycle! So I say:
Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more - as the blast of war cries out across the server, let our actions be the actions of a tiger. They call us zerg, so let us be - and when we fall, we will rise up to meet them. Let our pulls be clean, or CH chains tight and our speedbumps timely. We will grant our enemies not one FTE, let them win no races, and have no loot. We will win. We will show them we are better in every way and they will rue the day!

So far so good!

[Not_Mikeo]

much qq

AM seems to have more people in RnF than online contesting merbs. Maybe that's part of the problem of late, eh?

[k9quaint]

AM seems to have more people in RnF than online contesting merbs. Maybe that's part of the problem of late, eh?

I posit that the AM people on the race line are the same people who are mashing refresh on RnF with 5 digit post counts.

Would explain more than BBQ.