Recruitment Advice for AM.

[Jonabis]

Lets help the server underdogs out a little with a constructive brainstorm. Rough cycle for them. Please keep their feelings in mind when posting.

[Hotel]

grats

[Pyrrhica]

They may want to start by recruiting a new mage. RIPtoes

[Lothisu]

I'm hearing the only thing AM got was Lord Kreizenn, Aaryonar, Gore, Naggy, Yelinak, Jorlleag, Lord Feshlak, and Druushk.

[Jonabis]

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[nyclin]

#DoingLessWithMore

[k9quaint]

#toosoon

[Jauna]

ya know because people can play on red and blue now on the same box, why do you think blue raiding is going to diminish as people box green and blue

[icedwards]

At least AM has the chance to finish strong with a Saturday Statue, AOW and Tunare. Oh wait...

[whyyoukickmydog]

I'm hearing the only thing AM got was Lord Kreizenn, Aaryonar, Gore, Naggy, Yelinak, Jorlleag, Lord Feshlak, and Druushk.

A lot of guilds would be happy with that, but yea, definitely not us, and the high bar we strive for. We lost all the biggest targets. KT, Doze, and Vulak especially. No way to argue it, it was a a poor showing that started with the guild completely dropping the ball on Dain.

With that said, last week was complete domination, and we didn't have to share any of our targets or loot with other guilds. We've been struggling on holiday weekends, and if there is any recruitment advice we should listen to it would be how to answer Riot's late night zerg.

They have regularly been fielding 40-50+ people in the twilight hours of the US, and getting most of these mobs uncontested. Not sure how we can respond to that unless we can recruit more Euros/Asians, because people gotta sleep and work.

[Kayso2]

and if there is any recruitment advice we should listen to it would be how to answer Riot's late night zerg.

Riot has a influx of applicants from great guilds like Infernus, Omni, Europa, Anon, etc. Why do you think that is? What made them chose Riot over AM?

Answer that and you'll fix your recruitment issue, your numbers issue, and last night's Vulak issue.

[Swish2]

How many members is Riot up to now?

[Vallaen]

How many members is Riot up to now?

Just Riot or we counting the feeder guild BG and AG?

[Baylan295]

Just Riot or we counting the feeder guild BG and AG?

Can’t think of more than 1-2 from each of AG/BG in the last 6 weeks. I guess it is our fault that they’d rather work with Riot than AM.

[Caball]

I mean.. this is how AM chose to respond to it

https://youtu.be/9eN5_npp6WQ

Riptoes, one of AM’s biggest shit talkers, lost his cool after realizing they were going to lose Vulak. There he is intentionally training multiple flurries into the camp of every other guild in ToV while AM was no where close to our camp, a blatant rage train. That’s pretty scummy and shows a big sore loser who can’t handle other people having a good time together. I hope this was a solo act and not something that others supported, that is an awful way to play this game and I would think someone who acts likes that would face repercussions.

[Arcler]

Riot has 234 members that have made a single raid in the last 30 days (which is basically the entire guild since we've been existence for just over a month).

Amazingly, according to Aftermath's DKP site, they have exactly 234 members that have made a single raid in the last 30 days.

I imagine there's some inactive folks on Aftermath's roster that would increase their numbers by a lot, and there are some inactives in Riot too.

Anyway, Aftermath likes to make a point that we team up with other guilds on some targets and that we have to "share loot with other guilds." We see it as having fun with friends - and some of our friends are in other guilds. PS and Core, the two guilds that founded Riot, had a long history of team-ups and working with other guilds (even AM - PS-AM teamups on AoW were a thing in like.. 2017!) Heck, we even teamed up with Aftermath on the last quake to kill Vyemm and Vulak. We've been flying solo more often now due to numbers and coordination (we're still learning everyone's name, voice, skills, etc. within Riot - we haven't been the phalanx training together for years) but we've not closed the door to working with other guilds and sometimes do so for bigger/more challenging/odd hour spawns. We also enjoy a fair and fun competition - it sucks to lose but there's good fun in the race too.

We don't see working together with other guilds (either as part of an alliance to kill a target or as part of a rotation or agreement) as a net loss for us, but I suppose that's just a difference in philosophy. "Denying your enemy of pixels" is not the end goal philosophy of <Riot>

[Vallaen]

I mean.. this is how AM chose to respond to it

https://youtu.be/9eN5_npp6WQ

Riptoes, one of AM’s biggest shit talkers, lost his cool after realizing they were going to lose Vulak. There he is intentionally training multiple flurries into the camp of every other guild in ToV while AM was no where close to our camp, a blatant rage train. That’s pretty scummy and shows a big sore loser who can’t handle other people having a good time together. I hope this was a solo act and not something that others supported, that is an awful way to play this game and I would think someone who acts likes that would face repercussions.

Pretty shitty of him to do that but aren't those the guards that were trained on them.

[Baylan295]

Pretty shitty of him to do that but aren't those the guards that were trained on them.

[Sat Jun 15 00:01:15 2019] Diamondfist says out of character, 'pulling out vulak flurries, AM you are locked on aary please move out of the way'

[whyyoukickmydog]

Riot has a influx of applicants from great guilds like Infernus, Omni, Europa, Anon, etc. Why do you think that is? What made them chose Riot over AM?

Answer that and you'll fix your recruitment issue, your numbers issue, and last night's Vulak issue.

You just sound like a salty nerd. I imagine they chose to fill the power vacuum left from Tempest, because it was there for the taking. AG and Core made a push, but both of them ultimately failed. However, Core seems to have learned from this and did a great job uniting guilds under one flag.

[Vallaen]

[Sat Jun 15 00:01:15 2019] Diamondfist says out of character, 'pulling out vulak flurries, AM you are locked on aary please move out of the way'

Doesnt mean you can pull right on top of the other guild :P

its like when AM ate a KT concede when tempest wiped and we started killing KT and they were rezzing right on top of it and dying.

But like i said i wasnt there and seems like its a good thing hehe

[whyyoukickmydog]

I mean.. this is how AM chose to respond to it

https://youtu.be/9eN5_npp6WQ

Riptoes, one of AM’s biggest shit talkers, lost his cool after realizing they were going to lose Vulak. There he is intentionally training multiple flurries into the camp of every other guild in ToV while AM was no where close to our camp, a blatant rage train. That’s pretty scummy and shows a big sore loser who can’t handle other people having a good time together. I hope this was a solo act and not something that others supported, that is an awful way to play this game and I would think someone who acts likes that would face repercussions.

No doubt a disappointing move from a member with our tag, but that is just 1 person out of 234. Most of our members are decent people, and we were quick to pull the trigger on the concession once the evidence was presented.

We have no issues with conceding when we are wrong and strive to always follow the rules even though the rest of the server pretends this is not the case. However, it would have been nice not to get trained at Eashen and then have Riot immediately steal that dragon and zerg another while we attempt to recover from their dubious behavior.

[Baylan295]

Doesnt mean you can pull right on top of the other guild :P

its like when AM ate a KT concede when tempest wiped and we started killing KT and they were rezzing right on top of it and dying.

But like i said i wasnt there and seems like its a good thing hehe

I think the assumption that rulings made by Sirken during the Tempest era should bind anyone going forward is misguided and inconsistent with what Llandris has said.

[Kayso2]

You just sound like a salty nerd. I imagine they chose to fill the power vacuum left from Tempest, because it was there for the taking. AG and Core made a push, but both of them ultimately failed. However, Core seems to have learned from this and did a great job uniting guilds under one flag.

You just answered your own question and you just can't see it. Ignoring tone for tenor won't get you far in anything that matters as long as there are other people involved.

[Baylan295]

No doubt a disappointing move from a member with our tag, but that is just 1 person out of 234. Most of our members are decent people, and we were quick to pull the trigger on the concession once the evidence was presented.

We have no issues with conceding when we are wrong and strive to always follow the rules even though the rest of the server pretends this is not the case. However, it would have been nice not to get trained at Eashen and then have Riot immediately steal that dragon and zerg another while we attempt to recover from their dubious behavior.

When evidence showing what happened was provided regarding Eashen, 2x of Eashen were conceded as is practice.

[Caball]

Vallaen, at the time Riptoes trained everyone AM was down by Aary getting ready to engage him because it was thought Vulak couldn’t be attacked until he was killed. Someone discovered that wasn’t the case and was able to agro Vulak. Once this was realized Riptoes then trained all those mobs directly to our camp when not a single member of AM was in our direction. Guy is a piece of trash and I’d like to see how Aftermath decides to deal with that.

[whyyoukickmydog]

You just answered your own question and you just can't see it. Ignoring tone for tenor won't get you far in anything that matters as long as there are other people involved.

All I see is some nerd being a nerd. Your rants/flames aren't even funny, just sad.

[Vallaen]

Yeah it will be interesting.

Whats going to happen with badcat or cilienya

[whyyoukickmydog]

When evidence showing what happened was provided regarding Eashen, 2x of Eashen were conceded as is practice.

I doubt anyone would question that Riot has mature leadership, but all I was doing was lamenting the fact that this behavior led to losing yet another dragon. I'm not so sure that Riot cleared north before zerging dragon #2 though. Did they?

[Caball]

Big difference in someone going through a camp to reach their own guild, and another running mobs with DA up directly into another guilds camp when their own guild isn’t even close to that direction. One was an accident, the other without a doubt 100% intentional.

[Baylan295]

I doubt anyone would question that Riot has mature leadership, but all I was doing was lamenting the fact that this behavior led to losing yet another dragon. I'm not so sure that Riot cleared north before zerging dragon #2 though. Did they?

If there’s an issue present evidence and raise it in the appropriate channels.

[whyyoukickmydog]

Riot has 234 members that have made a single raid in the last 30 days (which is basically the entire guild since we've been existence for just over a month).

Amazingly, according to Aftermath's DKP site, they have exactly 234 members that have made a single raid in the last 30 days.

I imagine there's some inactive folks on Aftermath's roster that would increase their numbers by a lot, and there are some inactives in Riot too.

Anyway, Aftermath likes to make a point that we team up with other guilds on some targets and that we have to "share loot with other guilds." We see it as having fun with friends - and some of our friends are in other guilds. PS and Core, the two guilds that founded Riot, had a long history of team-ups and working with other guilds (even AM - PS-AM teamups on AoW were a thing in like.. 2017!) Heck, we even teamed up with Aftermath on the last quake to kill Vyemm and Vulak. We've been flying solo more often now due to numbers and coordination (we're still learning everyone's name, voice, skills, etc. within Riot - we haven't been the phalanx training together for years) but we've not closed the door to working with other guilds and sometimes do so for bigger/more challenging/odd hour spawns. We also enjoy a fair and fun competition - it sucks to lose but there's good fun in the race too.

We don't see working together with other guilds (either as part of an alliance to kill a target or as part of a rotation or agreement) as a net loss for us, but I suppose that's just a difference in philosophy. "Denying your enemy of pixels" is not the end goal philosophy of <Riot>

As the leader of such a large guild you will eventually have to deal with the drama of your underlings who will not be content with sharing loot to smaller guilds forever. Riot is plenty strong to stand on their own, and a rude awakening is ultimately coming for AG and BG if they continue to rely piggybacking on other guilds.

[whyyoukickmydog]

If AG, BG, and some of the other guilds allied together the server could see a 3rd zerg guild. That would be interesting, but I don't know enough about the politics of all those guilds to understand why they don't.

[Vallaen]

Join my guild on Green server

[Mblake81]

https://i.imgur.com/c1Qylt2.jpg

[Baylan295]

If AG, BG, and some of the other guilds allied together the server could see a 3rd zerg guild. That would be interesting, but I don't know enough about the politics of all those guilds to understand why they don't.

Different people have different goals.

A lot has been made of PS “giving up its values” in merging with Core. But I think that’s a misunderstanding of our most fundamental value - playing and having fun with our buds.

The meta changed and the structure we had was not going to be fun, and eventually, some of our friends would leave because it was less fun. So we made a call to “keep the band together” and play and have fun with friends - old and new.

Fundamentally, the merger has been successful and not just because of pixels. Shortly before the meta change I had grown really disillusioned and unhappy with the raid scene. I wasn’t having fun. Now, even when Riot loses mobs I have fun because I’m actively playing the game. The encounters are still often challenging and the content we’re doing requires significant skill and coordination. It’s fun to organize, and BS with that group. And I’ve made friends with a lot of new people.

[whyyoukickmydog]

Different people have different goals.

A lot has been made of PS “giving up its values” in merging with Core. But I think that’s a misunderstanding of our most fundamental value - playing and having fun with our buds.

The meta changed and the structure we had was not going to be fun, and eventually, some of our friends would leave because it was less fun. So we made a call to “keep the band together” and play and have fun with friends - old and new.

Fundamentally, the merger has been successful and not just because of pixels. Shortly before the meta change I had grown really disillusioned and unhappy with the raid scene. I wasn’t having fun. Now, even when Riot loses mobs I have fun because I’m actively playing the game. The encounters are still often challenging and the content we’re doing requires significant skill and coordination. It’s fun to organize, and BS with that group. And I’ve made friends with a lot of new people.

I'm honestly happy that you're happy. If people on the server become unhappy and leave, then the server will cease to be fun for everyone.

[reznor_]

Different people have different goals.

A lot has been made of PS “giving up its values” in merging with Core. But I think that’s a misunderstanding of our most fundamental value - playing and having fun with our buds.

The meta changed and the structure we had was not going to be fun, and eventually, some of our friends would leave because it was less fun. So we made a call to “keep the band together” and play and have fun with friends - old and new.

Fundamentally, the merger has been successful and not just because of pixels. Shortly before the meta change I had grown really disillusioned and unhappy with the raid scene. I wasn’t having fun. Now, even when Riot loses mobs I have fun because I’m actively playing the game. The encounters are still often challenging and the content we’re doing requires significant skill and coordination. It’s fun to organize, and BS with that group. And I’ve made friends with a lot of new people.

I can't wait to see what the next 6 months are like for you. See ya on the killing fields :)

[Wonkie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tLxb5rtmyM

[Hideousclaw]

...and a rude awakening is ultimately coming for AG and BG if they continue to rely piggybacking on other guilds.

AG did A LOT of teaming with Riot in their early inception, AG still teams with Riot from time to time. We’re well aware that Riot has grown to have their sea legs and can easily stand on their own and don’t need to team up often anymore. Not really a rude awakening at all, tbh. So....point?

[Prostatus]

How many people have gone from BG AG Riot to AM ?
How many AM have gone to Riot BG or AG?

[Nexii]

Very few if any from Riot to AM or vice versa so far. Unless you count app rejects

[imsorryGMs]

Or magerin ^^

[Viscere]

one good cycle and OP couldn't resist to insta make a RnF thread

You can feel the frustration and anger

You know green and wow classic are around the corner, will you make threads to boast about uncontested ToV kills in 2022 when everyone is gone ?

[Nexii]

Or magerin ^^

Yea it's always interesting when EQ drives someone into crazy land. Kinda yearning for the Sirken days when that stuff would be long or perma bans. How you can train people week in and week out (hearsay) at DS and not be perma'd is beyond me

[Jonabis]

one good cycle and OP couldn't resist to insta make a RnF thread

You can feel the frustration and anger

You know green and wow classic are around the corner, will you make threads to boast about uncontested ToV kills in 2022 when everyone is gone ?
Oh, this is just a light hearted jab at our AM pals. Don't take thing so seriously, it's just a game! Have a little fun!

[branamil]

Imagine using one of your 75 earthen summers to upgrade your elf avatars necklace by 10 armor and then getting really mad because it's taking longer than you thought

[kotton05]

75 earthen summers is fucking generous bran. You’re way too kind.

[Zal22]

Yea it's always interesting when EQ drives someone into crazy land. Kinda yearning for the Sirken days when that stuff would be long or perma bans. How you can train people week in and week out (hearsay) at DS and not be perma'd is beyond me

Imagine being a man pretending to be a woman.

[YendorLootmonkey]

one good cycle and OP couldn't resist to insta make a RnF thread

You can feel the frustration and anger


Hey, if AM is going to let members like Hotel dish it out and make his guild look like a bunch of dabbing Fortnite-playing shit-talkers, then AM better damn well be able to take it.

[kotton05]

Imagine being a man pretending to be a woman.

You mad nex turned you down in elf sim?

[Zutizutzut]

Detoxx speaks! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyfriipc61A)

[Hideousclaw]

Detoxx speaks! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyfriipc61A)

Also Relevant (https://youtu.be/ojNVL8539no)

[Capi]

See you next week, Jonabis.

[Convict]

You can feel the frustration and anger

sure can pal... all your posts lately have been saturated with it

good luck on green

[Ruhtar]

one good cycle and OP couldn't resist to insta make a RnF thread

You can feel the frustration and anger

You know green and wow classic are around the corner, will you make threads to boast about uncontested ToV kills in 2022 when everyone is gone ?

You can feel the frustration and anger

[Wonkie]

You mad nex turned you down in elf sim?

he could have easily gone for pretending to be a kittycat instead but the transphobia was just too tempting:cool:

[Fifield]

Hells yes 6 pages of poo throwing

We've been down this road many times, back when Awakened was around they did very well at times and we lost many cycles then.

I am glad someone finally made a guild big enough to compete in today's meta. Its good for Riot, its good for the server, bout time we have some actual competition to make things fun around here.

[Fireapple]

https://i.imgur.com/C86PWWk.jpg

[deezy]

You mad nex turned you down in elf sim?

[Fireapple]

Finding out that alts can win Vulak loot in <Riot>

https://i.imgur.com/9Mo9iQz.jpg

[Baylan295]

Finding out that alts can win Vulak loot in <Riot>

https://i.imgur.com/9Mo9iQz.jpg

Aftermath:
https://imgur.com/o9BWb0z
https://imgur.com/NelkMHb
https://imgur.com/ae2L1AH

Riot:
https://imgur.com/lJ8U3AK

[Baylan295]

Aftermath:
https://imgur.com/o9BWb0z
https://imgur.com/NelkMHb
https://imgur.com/ae2L1AH

Riot:
https://imgur.com/lJ8U3AK

I failed. RIP.

[Dugface]

Is that 3 dkp for not killing Vulak? Nice.

[Baylan295]

Is that 3 dkp for not killing Vulak? Nice.

Does AM not give responder DKP?

[Fireapple]

https://i.imgur.com/JUNGGuN.jpg

[Mblake81]

Save up your DKP and win the items you really want. Sorry, the meta changed and you don't get every BIS item for each of your varied alts by flopping your bottoms at the zone in for 10 minutes while at work. 180 people doesn't matter, drop 1200 DKP on the vulak dagger, you want it or you don't, you play or you don't.

*The biggest movers and shakers have already loaded out their characters anyway. As for the small tactical strike team its total hogwash, they were guzzling down anyone who wanted to join because they were the only ones getting the pixels due to numbers. Its forum masturbation.

[John Lennon]

Just imagine...

[enesis]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/28/18/4EA666E700000578-0-image-m-42_1532798427807.jpg

The dueling advice threads are fun

[enesis]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/28/18/4EA666E700000578-0-image-m-42_1532798427807.jpg

p.s. I heard AM asked AG to merge, despite the 300+ post RNF thread by their members

[Convict]

Im not in AG but if i could put money down on it id say they would rather merge with blood guard or an already bloated riot before they would merge with AM

[tombombadilo21]

p.s. I heard AM asked AG to merge, despite the 300+ post RNF thread by their members

As a member of one of those guilds, I can confirm that to be true. My head spun when I heard that Aftermath wanted to merge with the guild they (including their own leader and officers) shit talked for months, insulted, and made countless memes about.

Seems like a merger that would be all rainbows and butterflies. I don't think there would be any issues or ill feelings at all, right?

[18120]

Power and prestige are temporary. A burnt-bridge is forever. Top Tier advice for AM.

[Batso]

Power and prestige are temporary. A burnt-bridge is forever. Top Tier advice for AM.

It goes both ways.

[deezy]

i'd like riot and am to merge

[Gozuk]

I think Branamil is the only reason I read RNF anymore.

[whyyoukickmydog]

As a member of one of those guilds, I can confirm that to be true. My head spun when I heard that Aftermath wanted to merge with the guild they (including their own leader and officers) shit talked for months, insulted, and made countless memes about.

Seems like a merger that would be all rainbows and butterflies. I don't think there would be any issues or ill feelings at all, right?

Ummm, that's like the soul purpose of RnF. To talk smack about each other. Everyone who competes likes to partake in some friendly banter from time to time, the only issue is the snowflakes who take it personally.

[Legday]

As a member of one of those guilds, I can confirm that to be true. My head spun when I heard that Aftermath wanted to merge with the guild they (including their own leader and officers) shit talked for months, insulted, and made countless memes about.

Seems like a merger that would be all rainbows and butterflies. I don't think there would be any issues or ill feelings at all, right?

The idea that AM has been shittalking AG for months is just flat out untrue. It’s been happening for years.

[Vallaen]

I also find the theory that AM wanted to merge with AG weird. We just wait for there members to app.

[Littul Jonn]

The idea that AM has been shittalking AG for months is just flat out untrue. It’s been happening for years.

I literally lol'd


We've come a long way from CSG days at least :P

[Nommis]

I also find the theory that AM wanted to merge with AG weird. We just wait for there members to app.

*their

Typical AM

[Viscere]

I dont understand. If Riot had a good cycle last week, why are they so butthurt in here?

[Dolalin]

Rooted dragons have really helped increase the opportunity for competition on the server. Quick shout out to staff for this change.

[Hideousclaw]

I dont understand. If Riot had a good cycle last week, why are they so butthurt in here?

Same can be said when AM has a good cycle and you're guild mouthpieces get in here spout all sorts of dumb stuff. Classic WoW is gonna drain the server dry, green is gonna do the same. right?

[shadowdinah]

All this hate. Idk about you guys but I'm just happy to be on this server playing video games with my friends.

[icedwards]

I dont understand. If Riot had a good cycle last week, why are they so butthurt in here?

Recent selection of AM butthurt from the AG thread:

https://i.imgur.com/DKi0nlC.jpg

[kotton05]

Visceral with the top cringe. Stop posting dude your posts are low-t beta male lately.

[isiah]

Visceral with the top cringe. Stop posting dude your posts are low-t beta male lately.

First time Merkk posted something worth while.

+1.

[savagefilip]

All this hate. Idk about you guys but I'm just happy to be on this server playing video games with my friends.

:) yap

[branamil]

I AM EXTREMELY UPSET THAT SOME ELVES GOT +15 WISDOM ON FEET AND OTHER ELVES DID NOT!!!

[fan D]

detoxx is kew but yall r fuggin retaded

[fan D]

I mean.. this is how AM chose to respond to it

https://youtu.be/9eN5_npp6WQ

Riptoes, one of AM’s biggest shit talkers, lost his cool after realizing they were going to lose Vulak. There he is intentionally training multiple flurries into the camp of every other guild in ToV while AM was no where close to our camp, a blatant rage train. That’s pretty scummy and shows a big sore loser who can’t handle other people having a good time together. I hope this was a solo act and not something that others supported, that is an awful way to play this game and I would think someone who acts likes that would face repercussions.

you are a god damn loser jesus christ kid

[Arkanjil]

Recent selection of AM butthurt from the AG thread:

https://i.imgur.com/DKi0nlC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WF4rx8m.jpg

[Ripqozko]

Man I got long way to go to catch up to folks, +1 response

[whyyoukickmydog]

Imagine being a man pretending to be a woman.

Nexii is one of the chillest and most down to Earth people on this server. It's sad that you are incapable of rants and flames without reaching for the low hanging fruit of personal attacks.

Imagine being a boy pretending to be a man.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Man I got long way to go to catch up to folks, +1 response

sorry you didn't get Top Cringe honors

[Ripqozko]

sorry you didn't get Top Cringe honors

We are underdogs on forums and in-game. It's not easy going against the 5 guild mega Zerg.

[YendorLootmonkey]

We are underdogs on forums and in-game. It's not easy going against the 5 guild mega Zerg.

git gud

[Mblake81]

Imagine being a boy pretending to be a man.

Imagine being in a place where you tell boys they are imagining.

[Asiian]

All this hate. Idk about you guys but I'm just happy to be on this server playing video games with my friends.

This.

[Mblake81]

This.

Even small groups of nerds have a pecking order. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekpUyxovK7k)

[Convict]

We are underdogs on forums and in-game. It's not easy going against the 5 guild mega Zerg.

this response lost its credibility after the only 1 weekend repop where this actually happened try again

[Ripqozko]

this response lost its credibility after the only 1 weekend repop where this actually happened try again

Sorry you like to zerg

[Erati]

Sorry you like to zerg

03.17.19 Jorlleag Kill 143 3 5.0

http://aftermath99.org/eqdkp/index.php/Raids/?s=&sort=3|desc

[Ripqozko]

03.17.19 Jorlleag Kill 143 3 5.0

http://aftermath99.org/eqdkp/index.php/Raids/?s=&sort=3|desc

Sweet how many did y’all have vs us at noon est? Sorry we work

[Ripqozko]

You also picked March not June

[Erati]

You also picked March not June

zerging the powerful Jorlleag with 143 people less than 2 months ago is not that easily forgotten sir :eek:

sorry we're both zergs

[Ripqozko]

zerging the powerful Jorlleag with 143 people less than 2 months ago is not that easily forgotten sir :eek:

sorry we're both zergs

This was pre 5 guild merge, sorry you have become the dark side.

[Asiian]

It’s funny, I’ve seen so many links and references to aftermath99.org. Ive personally never visited any other guild on p99’s website. We’re so famous

[Convict]

This was pre 5 guild merge, sorry you have become the dark side.

you sound dehydrated from all the salt have some water

[Ripqozko]

you sound dehydrated from all the salt have some water

I enjoy being underdog , sorry you don’t.

[rezzie]

The best part about getting our asses completely handed to us this past cycle has been enjoying all the classless bragging, RnF jabs and total hypocrisy from the people who spent years claiming the moral high ground while not winning.

At least we never pretended to be above it.

[Baylan295]

The best part about getting our asses completely handed to us this past cycle has been enjoying all the classless bragging, RnF jabs and total hypocrisy from the people who spent years claiming the moral high ground while not winning.

At least we never pretended to be above it.

Posting ITT != Riot members. Myself and Tani and a few others excepted. But he called us a zerg and I think you’re #1.

[k9quaint]

Sweet how many did y’all have vs us at noon est? Sorry we work

Speaking of worked.

https://www.google.com/search?q=clemson+vs+alabama+2019&oq=clemson+vs+al&aqs=chrome.2.0j69i57j0l4.5825j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Hi #1 mage! <3

[Ripqozko]

Speaking of worked.

https://www.google.com/search?q=clemson+vs+alabama+2019&oq=clemson+vs+al&aqs=chrome.2.0j69i57j0l4.5825j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Hi #1 mage! <3

cant win them all, 5 of 7 or w/e will have to do for now.

[enjchanter]

Why do we still talk about zergs
You literally have to zerg now
Like if you're NOT zerging then you just lose automatically (atleast in tov)

AM started it , rooted dragons locked it in , Riot adapted to it and now were here

[kaizersoze]

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[kaizersoze]

it didn't want to embed heart of the swarm :(

[YendorLootmonkey]

Talking about zergs is the "oh yeah, well i did your mom last night" of the p99 raid scene. It's the straw you grasp for last when you can't handle that you got beat.

"Well, you only beat us because we spent the last 6 months goading you about our superior mobilization to the point where we lit the fire under enough asses that hate us so now you out-mobilize us. BUT... your superior mobilization somehow doesn't count because way too many people showed up to shove their collective dicks down our throats, you silly zergs, you! Therefore, we are still better because we are a surgical strike force of 120 people vs. your zerg force of 137."

[Ripqozko]

Talking about zergs is the "oh yeah, well i did your mom last night" of the p99 raid scene. It's the straw you grasp for last when you can't handle that you got beat.

"Well, you only beat us because we spent the last 6 months goading you about our superior mobilization to the point where we lit the fire under enough asses that hate us so now you out-mobilize us. BUT... your superior mobilization somehow doesn't count because way too many people showed up to shove their collective dicks down our throats, you silly zergs, you! Therefore, we are still better because we are a surgical strike force of 120 people vs. your zerg force of 137."

Sorry you aren't strike force

[k9quaint]

Talking about zergs is the "oh yeah, well i did your mom last night" of the p99 raid scene. It's the straw you grasp for last when you can't handle that you got beat.

"Well, you only beat us because we spent the last 6 months goading you about our superior mobilization to the point where we lit the fire under enough asses that hate us so now you out-mobilize us. BUT... your superior mobilization somehow doesn't count because way too many people showed up to shove their collective dicks down our throats, you silly zergs, you! Therefore, we are still better because we are a surgical strike force of 120 people vs. your zerg force of 137."

Sorry you needed surgery. Hope they got all the cancer :(

[YendorLootmonkey]

Sorry you aren't strike force

I'm a one-man strike force...

...for the duration of Weaponshield.

[Molitoth]

Why do we still talk about zergs
You literally have to zerg now
Like if you're NOT zerging then you just lose automatically (atleast in tov)

AM started it , rooted dragons locked it in , Riot adapted to it and now were here


It's been this way since classic.

IB owned the content... guilds got sick of it, Dark Ascension absorbed a few guilds and took over with a "zerg force".

I can't imagine it ever got any different on this server from 2012-2018?


PS: That DA zerg force with the first Eye of Veeshan kill pre-nerf was fun.

[madiguz1215]

Sorry you like to zerg

Just cuz your members don't log in doesn't not make you a zerg. Try again.

[Ripqozko]

Just cuz your members don't log in doesn't not make you a zerg. Try again.

Sorry you have become what you hated

[Jimjam]

Surely the more people attending just means the more friends are having fun together and sharing the spoils of victory? How is fun and sharing a bad thing!?

[Mblake81]

Surely the more people attending just means the more friends are having fun together and sharing the spoils of victory? How is fun and sharing a bad thing!?

When you need BIS for your alts.

[kempoguy80]

Sorry you have become what you hated

I wonder if that is how the people from Rustle who joined AM feel about themselves.

[Ripqozko]

I wonder if that is how the people from Rustle who joined AM feel about themselves.

like voting for trump we chose the better of 2 options, sorry you lost election.

[Ravager]

like voting for trump we chose the better of 2 options, sorry you lost election.
Yeah... that's going great. See you on Mars.

[Ripqozko]

Yeah... that's going great. See you on Mars.

sorry you will lose in 2020 too.

[kempoguy80]

like voting for trump we chose the better of 2 options, sorry you lost election.

Sorry yall gave up :(

[Ravager]

sorry you will lose in 2020 too.
Everyone's sorry for that.

[Ripqozko]

Everyone's sorry for that.

im not, roll tide

[Ravager]

Give it time. You will be.

[Horza]

like voting for trump we chose the better of 2 options, sorry you lost election.

AM and Trump just can't get a break.

Most GOP voters admit they are ‘embarrassed’ and ‘concerned’ about things Trump say. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/19/most-gop-voters-admit-they-are-embarrassed-concerned-about-things-trump-says/?utm_term=.e8a2ff10ffc9)

[Ripqozko]

AM and Trump just can't get a break.

Most GOP voters admit they are ‘embarrassed’ and ‘concerned’ about things Trump say. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/19/most-gop-voters-admit-they-are-embarrassed-concerned-about-things-trump-says/?utm_term=.e8a2ff10ffc9)

Sorry you will lose in 2020

[waltjig]

A lot of guilds would be happy with that, but yea, definitely not us, and the high bar we strive for. We lost all the biggest targets. KT, Doze, and Vulak especially. No way to argue it, it was a a poor showing that started with the guild completely dropping the ball on Dain.

With that said, last week was complete domination, and we didn't have to share any of our targets or loot with other guilds. We've been struggling on holiday weekends, and if there is any recruitment advice we should listen to it would be how to answer Riot's late night zerg.

They have regularly been fielding 40-50+ people in the twilight hours of the US, and getting most of these mobs uncontested. Not sure how we can respond to that unless we can recruit more Euros/Asians, because people gotta sleep and work.

Sleep and work? Where the fuck is your dedication

[Matalus]

Hey guys/gals, I miss you all.

[Dugface]

At this point, I'm really looking forward to seeing more variety from Ripqozko.

Eagerly waiting in anticipation.

[Viscere]

Hey guys/gals, I miss you all.

Jarheads , addicts & man-boobed neckbeards on welfare salute you!

[kotton05]

At this point, I'm really looking forward to seeing more variety from Ripqozko.

Eagerly waiting in anticipation.

For the right price I can arrange any variety you want from ripqozko

[Dugface]

For the right price I can arrange any variety you want from ripqozko

Would you be able to advance his repertoire to "your mum" lines? Or would that be too dear at this late stage?

[Dugface]

Simple mumbling is fine, now I think about it.

[Ripqozko]

Simple mumbling is fine, now I think about it.

Sorry you are bothered

[Baylan295]

Sorry you are bothered

Sorry you are sorry.

#SorryCeption

[kotton05]

I’m not sorry that you are sorry for being sorry.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I've seen forum spam bots with more intelligent responses than Ripqozko's.

[Ripqozko]

I've seen forum spam bots with more intelligent responses than Ripqozko's.

Sorry you don’t like forum bots

[Dugface]

Sorry you don’t like forum bots

I thought we'd decided that we would advance from this rhetoric?!

[Ripqozko]

I thought we'd decided that we would advance from this rhetoric?!

Sorry you are in Dawn believers

[Ruhtar]

Sorry you don’t like forum bots

You're doing a great job.


Please don't train me.

[Capi]

See you in a week. I’ll take the L. I’ll be waiting.

[nyclin]

I mean.. this is how AM chose to respond to it

https://youtu.be/9eN5_npp6WQ

Riptoes, one of AM’s biggest shit talkers, lost his cool after realizing they were going to lose Vulak. There he is intentionally training multiple flurries into the camp of every other guild in ToV while AM was no where close to our camp, a blatant rage train. That’s pretty scummy and shows a big sore loser who can’t handle other people having a good time together. I hope this was a solo act and not something that others supported, that is an awful way to play this game and I would think someone who acts likes that would face repercussions.

just quoting this again so any AM members can revise their previous arguments against this video

[Ralanov]

see ya soon capi!

[Wonkie]

you shouldn't recruit people who will get you raid suspended

[nyclin]

been a while since we've had such a blatant intentional train caught on video. will detoxx take the high road here and guildremove Riptoes?

doing absolutely nothing with less for the next 7 days! apply today at aftermathp99.org

[Bellringer]

blatant intentional train caught on video



https://i.imgur.com/zo4EMKC.gif

[Vallaen]

been a while since we've had such a blatant intentional train caught on video. will detoxx take the high road here and guildremove Riptoes?

doing absolutely nothing with less for the next 7 days! apply today at aftermathp99.org

Riptoes was removed as soon as the incident happened.

[Baylan295]

Riptoes was removed as soon as the incident happened.

This is not true.

[Vallaen]

This is not true.

Not really worth arguing because you also dont consider the Riot train intentional nor the Eashen one.

[nyclin]

post the videos and let the court of RNF decide imo

[Baylan295]

Not really worth arguing because you also dont consider the Riot train intentional nor the Eashen one.

Riot conceded 2x Eashen and 1x Zlexak for the Wyvern Train.

The alleged Vulak train involved Riot & friends splitting out flurry drakes after AM was locked into Aary, moved up to Vulak 4 way, and Riot put in /ooc that they would be pulling and splitting the flurry drakes. AM still had 20 minutes on its Aary lock and literally moved from a safe place (near Triplets ramp) to a way that would greatly limit and/or block Riot’s ability to pull the flurries.

Why did AM move up from a safe space, closer to a mob they could not engage for another 20 minutes?

[DromalPhrenia]

Riot conceded 2x Eashen and 1x Zlexak for the Wyvern Train.


Been meaning to ask, did loot get deleted from that Eashen?

[Pyrrhica]

Riptoes was removed as soon as the incident happened.

Complete lie lol

[Baylan295]

Been meaning to ask, did loot get deleted from that Eashen?

Has AM ever deleted loot from a mob it conceded?

[feniin]

Riptoes was removed as soon as the incident happened.

He was removed two days after he was already suspended by the GMs.

[Capi]

Has AM ever deleted loot from a mob it conceded?

Yes. First rooted Vyemm kill our loot was deleted and we conceded two.

[Maliant]

Vast majority of AM are really cool, nice and down to earth people. However, I feel the 1% of douchebags like Hotel that have constantly made globo gym posts about how they are better than you have hurt their reputation. It hasn’t really mattered because they have been good enough to stay on top and continue to pick up all the fair-weather raiders. I worry however that if the weather stays bad at AM the ship could start sinking fast as the fair weather raiders jump ship.


Been less than a month since this post and the AM ship is sinking faster than anticipated. Thanks for the assist Riptoes (who was an AM spy who was an app while in AM). Used to pick up reapers from me he said would use for raids and then use them to solo shit or probably for AM raids.

Also an assist has to go out to Hotel. Our recruitment really picked up right after your thread trashing us Hotel. So thank you very much as well Hotel. If you want to get the top end gear consider your only options now as Riot, AG @ Azureguard.guildlaunch.com and basically all the other guilds that have been willing to work together in the new server meta while the old elitist douchebag meta has gone away. We welcome you with open arms. Douchebag pixel-lusting guild hoppers need not apply, enjoy the sinking ship you jumped to.

[Maliant]

Also Lol back at you Conda.

LOL.

Yah. That seems likely.
__________________
Conda <Aftermath>

[rezzie]

The Riot alliance pulled and dropped the Vulak guards onto us initially, presumably trying to take advantage of the fact intentional trains are allowed without punishment at the Vulak four-way because it's considered to be sitting on the tracks: https://youtu.be/ORw9fvNQuXE.

That doesn't justify the stupid and inexcusable actions of one member wearing an <Aftermath> tag who DA'd and ran the Vulak guard train out of our camp and toward Riot's in an act of frustration.

As soon as Riot reached out and showed me what happened I conceded Vulak. We did not engage another target until 51 minutes after our last FTE (which was itself accidental; a member had gone LD hours earlier due to a storm, and logged back in on top of a respawn). We also waited for 30 minutes* after we conceded before engaging another target to give other guilds present a chance to recover and engage, even though not required by the rules.

At the end of the day we were let down by a member wearing our tag who reacted to a situation in the stupidest way possible. We immediately conceded Vulak and the member in question was guild kicked a number of days ago; before we were made aware of a petition or threat of raid suspension.

It's a shame the petition was still pursued, but it is what it is.

Enjoy the week of fun. See you guys next cycle :).

*It was actually 29 minutes because I managed to mistime it and call it a minute early.

[Kayso2]

So RIPtoes was still tagged AM days later? If the roles were reversed, I'm pretty sure my leadership would have booted my ass before DA wore off...

And I occasionally contribute more than trash talking in public channels.

[Kesselring]

Has AM ever deleted loot from a mob it conceded?

Multiple times we were hassled into the ground and got the loot deleted yes. I mean if its not deleted you should do the right thing and ask the GMs to delete it, shouldnt you? Thats what planarity would want if he was truly trying to do the right thing imo.

[Kesselring]

So RIPtoes was still tagged AM days later? If the roles were reversed, I'm pretty sure my leadership would have booted my ass before DA wore off...

And I occasionally contribute more than trash talking in public channels.

I dont know about you but usually you take time to deliberate and make concious decisions rather than decisions running off emotions. Thats usually what most sane people do anyways.

[Baylan295]

Multiple times we were hassled into the ground and got the loot deleted yes. I mean if its not deleted you should do the right thing and ask the GMs to delete it, shouldnt you? Thats what planarity would want if he was truly trying to do the right thing imo.

I mean voluntarily? I thought AM was against loot deletion. I can pull Detoxx in the UN channel if you’d like.

I’m honestly not in favor of it. But it’s in the written rules - for when a petition comes to staff’s attention.

[Ruhtar]

I dont know about you but usually you take time to deliberate and make concious decisions rather than decisions running off emotions. Thats usually what most sane people do anyways.

You mean like Riptoes?

[Kesselring]

You mean like Riptoes?

Exactly thanks for proving my point and even more so that AM officially cut ties with him after deliberating and making a clear call. Thanks!

[rezzie]

So RIPtoes was still tagged AM days later? If the roles were reversed, I'm pretty sure my leadership would have booted my ass before DA wore off...

The cycle was finished and Vulak had been conceded. We'd done what we could to make amends at the time.

Detoxx and half our officers were on vacation, so the discussion on his fate was postponed until people were back. The member continuing to wear the tag for another day or so had no material impact on Riot. It seems that hanging the petition on that is more about gunning for blood rather than the material impact of a train.

I'm sure you wouldn't want your leadership to make a rash decision to kick you, effectively retiring all of your toons, at the behest of another guild to throw you under a bus.

[Kesselring]

I mean voluntarily? I thought AM was against loot deletion. I can pull Detoxx in the UN channel if you’d like.

I’m honestly not in favor of it. But it’s in the written rules - for when a petition comes to staff’s attention.

Lol i know everyone in AM is against it but it still happened to us, wonder who pushed it if it wasnt AM? Interesting thought really. :)

[Ruhtar]

Exactly thanks for proving my point and even more so that AM officially cut ties with him after deliberating and making a clear call. Thanks!

Interesting. How long did that "deliberating" take? And if he's labeled as insane, why did it take so long?

[Kesselring]

Interesting. How long did that "deliberating" take? And if he's labeled as insane, why did it take so long?

Who labeled him as insane? Im not an officer but rezzie answered your question quite clearly, I havent played for like 3 weeks, was only able to make like 2 raids that werent tov. Before that as a regular member there was no clear indication that the player was insane or whatever youre trying to say. But I say that as a regular member. How is anybody supposed to know when a player is going to go off the rails? Did tempest know it when they had a player memblur vulak in camp and then AM got fte on it? Are we supposed to read minds now? Lmao

[Kayso2]

I'm sure you wouldn't want your leadership to make a rash decision to kick you, effectively retiring all of your toons, at the behest of another guild to throw you under a bus.

It was flagrant. And it was Riptoes -- the poster boy for poor sportsmanship and diarrhea of the mouth. Well, one of the poster boys. You guys don't lack in that department.

This is the 100% foreseeable outcome when you have a guild culture that tolerates gloating, trash talking, and general poor sportsmanship. Some new blood in leadership, a few gkicks, and a dozen or so muzzles would go a long way toward fixing that je ne sais quoi that makes a significant chunk of the server's population relish seeing AM getting sanctioned.

Those changes would also make competing against AM, win or lose, a much more enjoyable experience.

[Heebs13]

The Riot alliance pulled and dropped the Vulak guards onto us initially, presumably trying to take advantage of the fact intentional trains are allowed without punishment at the Vulak four-way because it's considered to be sitting on the tracks: https://youtu.be/ORw9fvNQuXE.

What were you guys even doing parking at the Vulak 4 way while your raid was locked into Aary? At the start of your video you can even see the /ooc where Riot announced you were sitting directly in the line of their pulls and asked you to move. Do you think they intended to train you, or do you think they intended to not let you stall their pulls for 20 minutes while you waited for your lockout to expire?

Sorry about your luck but who do you think you're fooling on this one?

[Ruhtar]

Who labeled him as insane?
Always a buzzkill when things have to be explained. Guess I should've put more effort into it.

I dont know about you but usually you take time to deliberate and make concious decisions rather than decisions running off emotions. Thats usually what most sane people do anyways.

You mean like Riptoes?

What did Riptoes do again?

Exactly

Thanks!

You're welcome. :) Excuse me while I deliberate on the toilet some more.

[Arkanjil]

What were you guys even doing parking at the Vulak 4 way while your raid was locked into Aary? At the start of your video you can even see the /ooc where Riot announced you were sitting directly in the line of their pulls and asked you to move. Do you think they intended to train you, or do you think they intended to not let you stall their pulls for 20 minutes while you waited for your lockout to expire?

Sorry about your luck but who do you think you're fooling on this one?

How much room does someone need to split something? You don’t need the 4 way. That’s silly. We were trained. The cycle before, both guilds were sitting near 4 way and monks from both guilds used that hallway easily to split the guards.

[Heebs13]

How much room does someone need to split something? You don’t need the 4 way. That’s silly. We were trained. The cycle before, both guilds were sitting near 4 way and monks from both guilds used that hallway easily to split the guards.

So the rival guild gets to decide how much room their opponent needs for pulls, and then sit within aggro range of the pull path when there are multiple options nearby that wouldn't be in the pull path? You could have posted up 20 yards north next to PoM, or 20 yards east on the way towards Dagarn's side of the circle, or better yet kept your raid at the dragon you were locked into. I really don't have a ton of sympathy for you guys here when it's obvious you knew exactly what you were doing by picking that spot to put your raid when you couldn't begin pulls for another 20 minutes.

[Dman2701]

You can hear one of your members even say we're standing on the tracks. You were trying to stall Riot from pulling till your 20 minutes of your lock out expired.

Conceding a mob you had 0 chance to kill after training every raid guild on this server isn't a appropriate response, neither is waiting days to boot Riptoes.
I dont agree with 1 persons actions causing a whole guild to be suspended but AM was given every opportunity to make this right and they didn't, sorry your leadership failed you.

[rezzie]

What were you guys even doing parking at the Vulak 4 way while your raid was locked into Aary? At the start of your video you can even see the /ooc where Riot announced you were sitting directly in the line of their pulls and asked you to move. Do you think they intended to train you, or do you think they intended to not let you stall their pulls for 20 minutes while you waited for your lockout to expire?

Our raid was already at Vulak before the Aary FTE went out. We never had any intent of going for Aary.

Like I said, it was from a member going LD earlier in the day when a storm knocked out his internet. It was an accidental in every sense of the word, but we were afraid to call it as that has cost us concessions previously (the same can't be said for AG...).

Before the Aary FTE went out we were already aware Vulak was no longer invulnerable. We were hoping that Riot & Co didn't, and that the timer would expire before Riot realised and/or killed the 6 guards.

We were already 1/3 of the way way through the lockout when we were trained with Vulak guards.

Sorry about your luck but who do you think you're fooling on this one?

The facts are:

We got trained by Vulak guards by a Riot pull. Riot did it knowing there wouldn't be consequences. I'm happy to accept that we were on the tracks, as long as that standard is held when the roles are reversed.
One of our members dragged the Riot train out of our camp and (unfortunately) took it to Riot's.
We immediately conceded Vulak and waited a further 30 minutes before engaging another target.
The member who trained was guild kicked when Detoxx got back from vacation.


What part of any of my responses here do you think I'm trying to fool anyone with?

[rezzie]

Edit to add: he was also kicked before the threat of a petition or raid suspension was levied.

[Vallaen]

Also just a heads up

Riptoes was the mage that trained you since i know you guys like our sloppy seconds like Magerin.

[Gatordash]

It was flagrant. And it was Riptoes -- the poster boy for poor sportsmanship and diarrhea of the mouth. Well, one of the poster boys. You guys don't lack in that department.

This is the 100% foreseeable outcome when you have a guild culture that tolerates gloating, trash talking, and general poor sportsmanship. Some new blood in leadership, a few gkicks, and a dozen or so muzzles would go a long way toward fixing that je ne sais quoi that makes a significant chunk of the server's population relish seeing AM getting sanctioned.

Those changes would also make competing against AM, win or lose, a much more enjoyable experience.

I never realized how much of a serious impact RnF had on other guilds. Its RnF. You all are mental midgets. Not really pointing you out specifically Kayso cause I've seen it from a lot.

[planarity]

riptoes was docked 500 dkp before he was booted. Why bother docking DKP on someone if you plan to boot them anyway? Well because you didn't want to boot him, and had decided not to, but then were happy to throw him under the bus *after you got petitioned* and *after he had already been suspended or banned* in an attempt to try to avoid a raid suspension.

Also, I still don't have a strong opinion on loot deletion either way. It's the GM's call and they'll do whatever they want.

[planarity]

Also just a heads up

Riptoes was the mage that trained you since i know you guys like our sloppy seconds like Magerin.

Magerin's application was denied.

[Vallaen]

Magerin's application was denied.

He got kicked out of Aftermath for training drusella and you guys took him in knowing he did it. Shocking he then trained someone at drusella.

[branamil]

When I was an app aftermath made me send nudes to the officers and they've held them for blackmail. They said I had to be toxic in ooc and forums or they'd release them and I've been dreading that until now. I can't let the world see my Dewey pendulous nuts dangling so prominently and flagrantly in front of the camera. But I don't care anymore, it's time to come clean, consequences be damned.

[planarity]

He got kicked out of Aftermath for training drusella and you guys took him in knowing he did it. Shocking he then trained someone at drusella.

I don't know what else to tell you, we denied that person's application once we were made aware of his behaviour. You'll have to try another angle.

[rezzie]

riptoes was docked 500 dkp before he was booted. Why bother docking DKP on someone if you plan to boot them anyway?

We docked him 500 dkp immediately, but the vote on guild removal was postponed until Detoxx got back from vacation.

I'm sorry that our internal processes don't bend to your whims, but like I said earlier: it was after the cycle and it had no material impact on you.

then were happy to throw him under the bus *after you got petitioned* and *after he had already been suspended or banned* in an attempt to try to avoid a raid suspension.

No, the vote that was postponed until Detoxx returned from vacation happened...when Detoxx got back from vacation. It was voted to kick.

Despite us conceding the mob for the train, waiting for a lockout to expire, and kicking the member, you still proceeded to petition.

You were out for blood because of the Zlandi/Eashen/Zlexak frustration, saw an opportunity, and took it. I don't hold it against you, just stop trying to make it out like it's a "greater good" thing.

[planarity]

You were out for blood because of the Zlandi/Eashen/Zlexak frustration, saw an opportunity, and took it. I don't hold it against you, just stop trying to make it out like it's a "greater good" thing.

Friday wasn't a frustrating day for <Riot> by any stretch of the imagination, until you guys intentionally trained us, of course.

[Wonkie]

When I was an app aftermath made me send nudes to the officers and they've held them for blackmail. They said I had to be toxic in ooc and forums or they'd release them and I've been dreading that until now. I can't let the world see my Dewey pendulous nuts dangling so prominently and flagrantly in front of the camera. But I don't care anymore, it's time to come clean, consequences be damned.

:eek:

[Capi]

Hey come join Rustle discord Unicity - wru I thought we pals.

[planarity]

Hey come join Rustle discord Unicity - wru I thought we pals.

invite me

[Capi]

invite me

Like I know how to do rhat

[Heebs13]

Our raid was already at Vulak before the Aary FTE went out. We never had any intent of going for Aary.

Like I said, it was from a member going LD earlier in the day when a storm knocked out his internet. It was an accidental in every sense of the word, but we were afraid to call it as that has cost us concessions previously (the same can't be said for AG...).

Before the Aary FTE went out we were already aware Vulak was no longer invulnerable. We were hoping that Riot & Co didn't, and that the timer would expire before Riot realised and/or killed the 6 guards.

We were already 1/3 of the way way through the lockout when we were trained with Vulak guards.



The facts are:

We got trained by Vulak guards by a Riot pull. Riot did it knowing there wouldn't be consequences. I'm happy to accept that we were on the tracks, as long as that standard is held when the roles are reversed.
One of our members dragged the Riot train out of our camp and (unfortunately) took it to Riot's.
We immediately conceded Vulak and waited a further 30 minutes before engaging another target.
The member who trained was guild kicked when Detoxx got back from vacation.


What part of any of my responses here do you think I'm trying to fool anyone with?

The part I was specifically addressing was the part where you tried to make it sound like Riot was intentionally training you. They gave you every opportunity to move out of the way, and you had no legitimate reason to be standing your raid where you were. I could understand if you had been up by PoM or out of the way eastward, waiting for your 30 minutes to be up, but instead you were all sitting right at 4 way, after being asked to move and still 20 minutes away from being able to begin any pulls. I'm no mind reader, but it sure looks like you were intentionally in the way to to stall.

[Molitoth]

We got trained by Vulak guards by a Riot pull. Riot did it knowing there wouldn't be consequences.

One of our members dragged the Riot train out of our camp and (unfortunately) took it to Riot's.


The only "unfortunate" thing that happened was your story about someone logging into get Aary FTE for AM.

Once you were locked in to that, it was your own fault for getting "trained" at 4 way. Riot/AG waited, and waited, and warned in ooc before pulling flurries to Lady cave.

Riptoes out of frustration trained that shit on purpose and everyone knows it.

I don't feel that AM should have gotten raid suspended as I like a lot of players in AM, but Riptoes def got what he deserved.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that usually AM just waits for Riot/AG to kill the first few flurries anyway, and then jumps into Vulak with 2 left. Was that not going to be your intention that night? Was AM going to clear the Flurries for Riot/AG ? I doubt it.

[rezzie]

The part I was specifically addressing was the part where you tried to make it sound like Riot was intentionally training you. They gave you every opportunity to move out of the way, and you had no legitimate reason to be standing your raid where you were. I could understand if you had been up by PoM or out of the way eastward, waiting for your 30 minutes to be up, but instead you were all sitting right at 4 way, after being asked to move and still 20 minutes away from being able to begin any pulls. I'm no mind reader, but it sure looks like you were intentionally in the way to to stall.

Why are they mutually exclusive? I said I'm happy to accept we were sitting on the tracks, as long as that standard is upheld if the roles are reversed.

Riot deliberately pulled the drakes and dropped them within LoS of us knowing that they could argue it was collateral from being on the tracks. That doesn't change it from being an intentional train either.

[Wonkie]

Why are they mutually exclusive? I said I'm happy to accept we were sitting on the tracks, as long as that standard is upheld if the roles are reversed.

Riot deliberately pulled the drakes and dropped them within LoS of us knowing that they could argue it was collateral from being on the tracks. That doesn't change it from being an intentional train either.

it does change it because it was your choice to sit in the pull path learn to play nice

hope this helps

[Arkanjil]

it does change it because it was your choice to sit in the pull path learn to play nice

hope this helps

We weren’t in the pull path...who gets to decide what the pull path is? That’s incredibly subjective. Like I said, Riot Guard and AM both used the hallway only the week prior to split out guards. All the sudden 4 way is “standing on the tracks”. Smells like bullshit to me. We were trained because they knew they could get away with it. They never stopped sending eyeballs to let the dragons path back to split one. Just kept bringing them closer and closer to LOS until they aggrod.

[rezzie]

hope this helps

Let me know when your reading comprehension improves enough to realise that training people deliberately is still intentionally training people even if you know that you won't be punished because they're "on the tracks".

[Arkanjil]

Also, we were set up at Vulak before FTE went out on Aary. Aary also spawned while we were all in north. All guilds were DQd from Aary until we left the wing. Therefore, the accidental FTE on Aary shouldn’t even have mattered, but we went with it anyway.

[Baylan295]

Also just a heads up

Riptoes was the mage that trained you since i know you guys like our sloppy seconds like Magerin.

Apped 5/15. Feedback on 5/16. Evidence 5/17. Removed 5/18.

Pretty sure we still moved faster than AM.

[planarity]

We didn't train you deliberately, this is a lie. Our interest was in splitting and killing the guards quickly, and stood to gain nothing from you guys wiping because you *were locked out anyway*. We *warned you in ooc* that you were in our pull path and you had no reason to be there. In the past when AM was on the Lady M side and we were at Kriezenn, we kept our raid back out of line of sight of the 4-way.

You tried unsuccessfully to impede us from splitting and killing the guards quickly. Your raid leader made a terrible call. Own it.

[Heebs13]

who gets to decide what the pull path is?

Are you serious right now? Please find me a pull path for Vulak's guards to Lady M's pit that doesn't go past the 4-way.

Riot deliberately pulled the drakes and dropped them within LoS of us knowing that they could argue it was collateral from being on the tracks. That doesn't change it from being an intentional train either.

I was in discord voice with them at the time and intentionally training you was never brought up. What was brought up was trying to get the mobs past you guys without allowing you to stall. Maybe the pullers were secretly in tells discussing their master plan to train you for no fucking reason, but the fact that they warned you to move in ooc sort of shoots a hole in that theory, now doesn't it? And you still haven't offered any alternative explanation as to why you specifically picked THAT spot to park your raid at when there were other options available to you that wouldn't have been in the way.

You got locked out of Vulak, you sat your raid in the way of pulls to try to stall for time hoping Riot would be too scared to pull over you, it didn't work, they called your bluff, you predictably got aggro on the pull, and then someone from your guild DA trained the mobs all the way to Lady M's pit in the most blatantly intentional train I've ever seen. If you're looking for sympathy you aren't going to find any here. No one here believes what you're saying so I'm not sure why you're bothering with this bullshit.

[Nexii]

[Sat Jun 15 01:01:20 2019] Diamondfist says out of character, 'pulling out vulak flurries, AM you are locked on aary please move out of the way'
[Sat Jun 15 01:02:24 2019] Velcra`Dron hits Pinkyy for 700 points of damage.

Given less than a minute to move

[rezzie]

Hmm. If we want to focus on responses to disputes, let's take a look at Riot's from earlier that night.


We made you aware that you trained us at Eashen.
You engaged and killed Eashen anyway.
Diamondfist and Quean got wyvern aggro on your botched engage, FDing them over us and delaying our CR attempts.
Riot engages Zlexak while we try and get corpses dragged from under Eashen.
Two minutes later Riot acknowledges the Eashen train and concedes 2x Eashen.
Riot spends the next 9 minutes killing Zlexak while we continue the CR at Eashen from your train.
We request 2x Zlexak concessions. Riot's response:
Planarity <Riot>Last Friday at 23:12
at this point it's not a live issue so we're going to take time to discuss it. <Riot> has co-leadership
we'll make it right, we won't respond to threats tho

So Riot refuses to drop a mob they're engaged on - even after admitting fault - and then tells us it'll be dealt with later because it's not a live issue.

Meanwhile, Riot petitions us despite a concession ~3 minutes after being made aware of a train by our member and a 30 minute window after the concession before we engaged anything else.

Something feels inconsistent here.

[Heebs13]

[Sat Jun 15 01:01:20 2019] Diamondfist says out of character, 'pulling out vulak flurries, AM you are locked on aary please move out of the way'
[Sat Jun 15 01:02:24 2019] Velcra`Dron hits Pinkyy for 700 points of damage.

Given less than a minute to move

Does no one in Aftermath possess the ability to type in ooc 'okay we will move out of the way, give us a minute'? Is 1 minute too short a time period for you to type that?

[rezzie]

they called your bluff, you predictably got aggro on the pull

Another way of saying this is: "So they decided to train you guys anyway, knowing there wouldn't be consequences."

[Heebs13]

Hmm. If we want to focus on responses to disputes, let's take a look at Riot's from earlier that night.


We made you aware that you trained us at Eashen.
You engaged and killed Eashen anyway.
Diamondfist and Quean got wyvern aggro on your botched engage, FDing them over us and delaying our CR attempts.
Riot engages Zlexak while we try and get corpses dragged from under Eashen.
Two minutes later Riot acknowledges the Eashen train and concedes 2x Eashen.
Riot spends the next 9 minutes killing Zlexak while we continue the CR at Eashen from your train.
We request 2x Zlexak concessions. Riot's response:


So Riot refuses to drop a mob they're engaged on - even after admitting fault - and then tells us it'll be dealt with later because it's not a live issue.

Meanwhile, Riot petitions us despite a concession ~3 minutes after being made aware of a train by our member and a 30 minute window after the concession before we engaged anything else.

Something feels inconsistent here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[Heebs13]

Another way of saying this is: "So they decided to train you guys anyway, knowing there wouldn't be consequences."

No. Intentionally training you and you getting aggro on their legitimate raid pull because you refused to move are two different things. You are wasting my time.

[Nexii]

Does no one in Aftermath possess the ability to type in ooc 'okay we will move out of the way, give us a minute'? Is 1 minute too short a time period for you to type that?

27 seconds Chillwin waited to engage Vulak to train us. Yah that's not much time to inform and move a raid force.

[Dman2701]

Why would Riot concede Zlexak?
Did AM concede Aary after training Riot?
Also the video you posted sure doesn't look like you guys were moving at all.

[Endonde]

No. Intentionally training you and you getting aggro on their legitimate raid pull because you refused to move are two different things. You are wasting my time.

This is RnF pal, everyone here is wasting their own time.

[Kesselring]

Always a buzzkill when things have to be explained. Guess I should've put more effort into it.





What did Riptoes do again?





You're welcome. :) Excuse me while I deliberate on the toilet some more.

Is quoting me out of context somehow supposed to make yourself sound smart? Taking out the ol internet argument playbook and flipped the page back to the year 2005 I see.

Relax guy I never was targeting you directly, I simply said usually you try to talk the situation over and then make a decision with every officer weighing in their opinion on the subject, which is exactly the information rezzie told you. May not fit your narrative of AM being an evil organization, but hey its what most civilized people do. Whens Narshe's next issue of "AM bad magazine" since that seems to be your favorite reading material?

[Kesselring]

Are you serious right now? Please find me a pull path for Vulak's guards to Lady M's pit that doesn't go past the 4-way.



I was in discord voice with them at the time and intentionally training you was never brought up. What was brought up was trying to get the mobs past you guys without allowing you to stall. Maybe the pullers were secretly in tells discussing their master plan to train you for no fucking reason, but the fact that they warned you to move in ooc sort of shoots a hole in that theory, now doesn't it? And you still haven't offered any alternative explanation as to why you specifically picked THAT spot to park your raid at when there were other options available to you that wouldn't have been in the way.

You got locked out of Vulak, you sat your raid in the way of pulls to try to stall for time hoping Riot would be too scared to pull over you, it didn't work, they called your bluff, you predictably got aggro on the pull, and then someone from your guild DA trained the mobs all the way to Lady M's pit in the most blatantly intentional train I've ever seen. If you're looking for sympathy you aren't going to find any here. No one here believes what you're saying so I'm not sure why you're bothering with this bullshit.

People didnt seem to have a problem using melee disc to tank everything and tag off them for eashen for a few weeks, why cant that also be the case for splitting vulak guards? Why cant you run a melee class with an avoid disc in there then tag off 1 or 2 mobs and then bring them out for a clean tag? People did this at eashen no problem.

[Convict]

We didn't train you deliberately, this is a lie. Our interest was in splitting and killing the guards quickly, and stood to gain nothing from you guys wiping because you *were locked out anyway*. We *warned you in ooc* that you were in our pull path and you had no reason to be there. In the past when AM was on the Lady M side and we were at Kriezenn, we kept our raid back out of line of sight of the 4-way.

You tried unsuccessfully to impede us from splitting and killing the guards quickly. Your raid leader made a terrible call. Own it.

[Convict]

People didnt seem to have a problem using melee disc to tank everything and tag off them for eashen for a few weeks, why cant that also be the case for splitting vulak guards? Why cant you run a melee class with an avoid disc in there then tag off 1 or 2 mobs and then bring them out for a clean tag? People did this at eashen no problem.

nice try

[Kesselring]

nice try

Nice try what? Thats what the strategy that was used for eashen the first few weeks by every guild. And just a news flash, not only did it work, but eashen has a way smaller area to work with when splitting guards. I mean I can sift through my videos and show core doing it first week because BG was at the steps by ikky and core was up towards arry.

Why wouldnt you do the same thing for vulak? Youd rather deliberately train a guild rather than adjust and use a strategy that youve actually used before? Huh interesting.

[Pyrrhica]

AM always the victims lol

[rezzie]

AM always the victims lol

Finally, some recognition.

[Dman2701]

i love your idea Kesselring, next time Riot will let you guys kill the guards using this awesome method, than we will do Vulak..deal?

[Xaeophi]

Can't we all just get along :D

[Kesselring]

i love your idea Kesselring, next time Riot will let you guys kill the guards using this awesome method, than we will do Vulak..deal?

Did i strike a nerve making too much sense? AM was locked in to aary. You couldve split the guards in vulaks lair with plenty of time to beat us.

[Wonkie]

Let me know when your reading comprehension improves enough to realise that training people deliberately is still intentionally training people even if you know that you won't be punished because they're "on the tracks".

the rules say you can do that, which is why you are suspended and Riot is not

[Wonkie]

Hmm. If we want to focus on responses to disputes, let's take a look at Riot's from earlier that night.


We made you aware that you trained us at Eashen.
You engaged and killed Eashen anyway.
Diamondfist and Quean got wyvern aggro on your botched engage, FDing them over us and delaying our CR attempts.
Riot engages Zlexak while we try and get corpses dragged from under Eashen.
Two minutes later Riot acknowledges the Eashen train and concedes 2x Eashen.
Riot spends the next 9 minutes killing Zlexak while we continue the CR at Eashen from your train.
We request 2x Zlexak concessions. Riot's response:


So Riot refuses to drop a mob they're engaged on - even after admitting fault - and then tells us it'll be dealt with later because it's not a live issue.

Meanwhile, Riot petitions us despite a concession ~3 minutes after being made aware of a train by our member and a 30 minute window after the concession before we engaged anything else.

Something feels inconsistent here.

honestly this is a bunch of gay lawyering and you should be ashamed

[xerozz]

we deserve the raid ban 100% for being in the 4way trying to get trained on purpose it looked like almost....... the other guild monks were very obviously spliting guards and we were just standing there (WHILE we were locked into another mob)

[Gatordash]

We didn't train you deliberately, this is a lie. Our interest was in splitting and killing the guards quickly, and stood to gain nothing from you guys wiping because you *were locked out anyway*. We *warned you in ooc* that you were in our pull path and you had no reason to be there. In the past when AM was on the Lady M side and we were at Kriezenn, we kept our raid back out of line of sight of the 4-way.

You tried unsuccessfully to impede us from splitting and killing the guards quickly. Your raid leader made a terrible call. Own it.

Petitioning and bringing back guild suspensions is a terrible call. Vulak was conceded immediately, you killed it in the next 30 min or so anyways, and the guy was kicked from the guild... and then you petitioned. What are you gaining out of a guild suspension? According to Llandris' update to the rules FAQ today, you could have been petitioned for the Eashen train earlier and also would have been suspended. You are putting the server back on a path of petitions and suspensions over sticking it to AM for a week. I would have thought a guild made up of a bunch of people from Core would want to take it easy on the suspensions stuff. Either way, pretty shitty and shortsighted of you imo.

[Arkanjil]

we deserve the raid ban 100% for being in the 4way trying to get trained on purpose it looked like almost....... the other guild monks were very obviously spliting guards and we were just standing there (WHILE we were locked into another mob)

Dunno who you are, but you’re retarded if you think we were trying to get ourselves trained. Again...for the third time now...the week prior we were sitting on the opposite corner splitting mobs in that huge friggin hallway to split the guards. There is MORE than enough room to do that in the hallway. We were NOT “on the tracks”.

[Wonkie]

Dunno who you are, but you’re retarded if you think we were trying to get ourselves trained. Again...for the third time now...the week prior we were sitting on the opposite corner splitting mobs in that huge friggin hallway to split the guards. There is MORE than enough room to do that in the hallway. We were NOT “on the tracks”.

right, riot trained you on purpose while clearing to an active fte. that makes sense. :rolleyes:

AM always the victim

[Arkanjil]

right, riot trained you on purpose while clearing to an active fte. that makes sense. :rolleyes:

AM always the victim

They are clearly terrible at splitting mobs if they needed to drag them all the way to Vulak 4 way.

[Jonabis]

Also, we were set up at Vulak before FTE went out on Aary. Aary also spawned while we were all in north. All guilds were DQd from Aary until we left the wing. Therefore, the accidental FTE on Aary shouldn’t even have mattered, but we went with it anyway.

I think the confusing part for everyone is that if you were adhering to the lock out, why wouldn't you just move completely out of the way for the competition? You are not supposed to be pressuring another guild on a mob you can't engage because of being locked into another right? So it just appears as though you were stalling in a risky manor. Rolled the dice and lost. Just say sorry and let the healing begin. <3

[xerozz]

Dunno who you are, but you’re retarded if you think we were trying to get ourselves trained. Again...for the third time now...the week prior we were sitting on the opposite corner splitting mobs in that huge friggin hallway to split the guards. There is MORE than enough room to do that in the hallway. We were NOT “on the tracks”.

regardless we shouldn't have been standing there like fucking retards while 10 diff guild monks were on the other side throwing eyeballs pulling drakes down the hall .. we had no reason to be fuckign standing there we were locked into aary anyway, regardless if its in the tracks or not

[diamondfist]

Hmm. If we want to focus on responses to disputes, let's take a look at Riot's from earlier that night.


We made you aware that you trained us at Eashen.
You engaged and killed Eashen anyway.
Diamondfist and Quean got wyvern aggro on your botched engage, FDing them over us and delaying our CR attempts.
Riot engages Zlexak while we try and get corpses dragged from under Eashen.
Two minutes later Riot acknowledges the Eashen train and concedes 2x Eashen.
Riot spends the next 9 minutes killing Zlexak while we continue the CR at Eashen from your train.
We request 2x Zlexak concessions. Riot's response:


So Riot refuses to drop a mob they're engaged on - even after admitting fault - and then tells us it'll be dealt with later because it's not a live issue.

Meanwhile, Riot petitions us despite a concession ~3 minutes after being made aware of a train by our member and a 30 minute window after the concession before we engaged anything else.

Something feels inconsistent here.

Love the misinformation here... really hope you guys did petition that so you can eat another raid suspension for as per usual Detoxx crying wolf without having all the information in front of him, and or trying to manipulate his view of the rules, or just outright trying to bully the other parties leadership into aligning with what Detoxx feels he deserves.


You guys cant ask for the world, and then feel you are above doing the same in return when you are caught.

#think

[Arkanjil]

If we’re not on the tracks, why would we move? I may be hazy on timing, but iirc 10 mins had passed on our lockout. We bet they wouldn’t kill 4-6 guards in 20 minutes. Seems like a reasonable bet.

[Kesselring]

honestly this is a bunch of gay lawyering and you should be ashamed

Lmfao AG and paradigm quite literally started the 'gay' lawyering. It doesnt matter whats the truth though because youll just hate AM no matter what.

Its fine though the hate is kind of endearing :)

[Nexii]

Petitioning and bringing back guild suspensions is a terrible call. Vulak was conceded immediately, you killed it in the next 30 min or so anyways, and the guy was kicked from the guild... and then you petitioned. What are you gaining out of a guild suspension? According to Llandris' update to the rules FAQ today, you could have been petitioned for the Eashen train earlier and also would have been suspended. You are putting the server back on a path of petitions and suspensions over sticking it to AM for a week. I would have thought a guild made up of a bunch of people from Core would want to take it easy on the suspensions stuff. Either way, pretty shitty and shortsighted of you imo.

Yea this. Pretty ill will to accept a concede agreement on Eashan that had actual impact (we lost Eashan+Zlexak over it) while having a petition in for Vulak that had no impact in Riot killing Vulak. Can't see this going well for either AM or Riot down the road, but it's Unicity we're talking about here. A guild leader who's eaten multiple suspensions for raid suspension violations (PoSky while suspended), who's tried to circumvent ring 8 rules, etc, etc. The autism knows no bounds.

[Kesselring]

Love the misinformation here... really hope you guys did petition that so you can eat another raid suspension for as per usual Detoxx crying wolf without having all the information in front of him, and or trying to manipulate his view of the rules, or just outright trying to bully the other parties leadership into aligning with what Detoxx feels he deserves.


You guys cant ask for the world, and then feel you are above doing the same in return when you are caught.

#think

Didnt they concede vulak right away.... whereas you killed eashen? Even AG waited to see the fraps before engaging eashen when they trained our engage despite being in a perfect position to go in and kill eashen without waiting for the fraps.

Also lets not act like youre an angel here lol. You cant be an asshole just because you feel detoxx deserves it.

[diamondfist]

Dunno who you are, but you’re retarded if you think we were trying to get ourselves trained. Again...for the third time now...the week prior we were sitting on the opposite corner splitting mobs in that huge friggin hallway to split the guards. There is MORE than enough room to do that in the hallway. We were NOT “on the tracks”.



Why are you even there, when locked on a mob on the other side of north?

Aftermath was locked in to a mob on the otherside of north.

Aftermath was in a safe spot from LoS of splitting guards.


Aftermath decided to move up to:
1. To purposefully block the party making plays for a dragon, they were locked out from for 20 minutes.
2. Viable pull area... lol again with the posturing and misinformation. You guys know exactly that moving up was going to most likely result in a wipe. You cant split on over half that bridge without blowing discs or being summon killed with new mechanics your pullers, and officers know this
3. Your camp wasnt even tucked into that cubby well
4. Your camp was adjacent to our pullers... not our raid like you keep saying 100 times over.
5. Aftermath has been warned about sitting on tracks several times by several different GMs in the past.

6. **Aftermath was also asked to move. Not a single person did... but more showed up to your camp after the request.**


Maybe this needs to turn into a conversation about why you only got hit for the train... seems like you need to be hit for raid interference also.

[Nexii]

Better questions like why does one person logging in on top of a boss who's gone LD lock a guild in for 30 mins. Wouldn't say it was malice, more derpiness. Had no officers on with working mics. AM was in la la land more or less that cycle.

For AM to stand in the 4 way for 10 minutes was dumb. For Riot to train us with 30 seconds 'warning' (I wouldn't call it reasonable warning) is dumb. To get the GMs to get involved is dumb. For the GMs to agree to get involved is dumb.

[planarity]

Yea this. Pretty ill will to accept a concede agreement on Eashan that had actual impact (we lost Eashan+Zlexak over it) while having a petition in for Vulak that had no impact in Riot killing Vulak. Can't see this going well for either AM or Riot down the road, but it's Unicity we're talking about here. A guild leader who's eaten multiple suspensions for raid suspension violations (PoSky while suspended), who's tried to circumvent ring 8 rules, etc, etc. The autism knows no bounds.

We got along just fine while we were guilded together, Nexii, and I've never committed a raid suspension violation. I was wrong once about the ring8 rules, and they were only posted on the forums after I was suspended for it.

What's the etc.etc? If that's all you've got on me for my 6+ years on the server then you should take it back and try to smear someone else, and lay off on the kool-aid.

[Hideousclaw]

...Detoxx crying wolf without having all the information in front of him...

A P99 Memoir

[Viscere]

You get 7 days of free mobs, AM got rid of Riptoes, everybody wins!!

[diamondfist]

Also lets not act like youre an angel here lol. You cant be an asshole just because you feel detoxx deserves it.

Drink the kool aid of their forum posturing much? You dont seem to understand how AM operates.


Best thing they do is this forum BS. Have for a long time. They get people from it.

So what does that make them the best at? Trolling and smear campaigns. Congrats.


heres an example

Yea this. Pretty ill will to accept a concede agreement on Eashan that had actual impact (we lost Eashan+Zlexak over it) while having a petition in for Vulak that had no impact in Riot killing Vulak. Can't see this going well for either AM or Riot down the road, but it's Unicity we're talking about here. A guild leader who's eaten multiple suspensions for raid suspension violations (PoSky while suspended), who's tried to circumvent ring 8 rules, etc, etc. The autism knows no bounds.