Recruitment Advice for AM.

[diamondfist]

Better questions like why does one person logging in on top of a boss who's gone LD lock a guild in for 30 mins.

So you are admitting for your guild it was tracker FTE on a mob you killed?

Seems about right with Aftermath's history.

[Arkanjil]

So you are admitting for your guild it was tracker FTE on a mob you killed?

Seems about right with Aftermath's history.

That’s not tracker at all...the guy who got FTE went LD earlier in the day at that spot and logged in not knowing Aary was up. It shouldn’t have even been considered a valid FTE as the AM force was all the way at Vulak. Talk about misinformation with your pretty picture.

[Baylan295]

That’s not tracker at all...the guy who got FTE went LD earlier in the day at that spot and logged in not knowing Aary was up. It shouldn’t have even been considered a valid FTE as the AM force was all the way at Vulak. Talk about misinformation with your pretty picture.

That is, by definition, a tracker.

We have a lot of silly rules, though. And I don't anticipate anyone making a big deal about that one.

[Nexii]

So you are admitting for your guild it was tracker FTE on a mob you killed?

Seems about right with Aftermath's history.

Tracker FTE rules in TOV were thrown out the window. Well, kinda. Who knows anymore.

[Arkanjil]

That is, by definition, a tracker.

We have a lot of silly rules, though. And I don't anticipate anyone making a big deal about that one.

Note on Rule Lawyering – I think the spirit of everything we are trying to accomplish here is pretty clear. Anyone that tries to twist the words to support and/or justify nefarious actions will not be rewarded. There will be no “technically this could be that”, or “well it doesn’t exactly say this word for word”. From this point forward we will be actively enforcing the spirit of these rules more so than the exact letter of the law. Don't expect to skirt passed a raid suspension on a loop hole or technicality.

[diamondfist]

That’s not tracker at all...the guy who got FTE went LD earlier in the day at that spot and logged in not knowing Aary was up. It shouldn’t have even been considered a valid FTE as the AM force was all the way at Vulak. Talk about misinformation with your pretty picture.

You get your rules from Detoxx direct or have you actually read the rules posted on the forums?

DMX your an officer right??!? Explain to me why you guys didnt call accidental? You wanted to lock, because you wanted aary not knowing vulak was an option.

[planarity]

Note on Rule Lawyering – I think the spirit of everything we are trying to accomplish here is pretty clear. Anyone that tries to twist the words to support and/or justify nefarious actions will not be rewarded. There will be no “technically this could be that”, or “well it doesn’t exactly say this word for word”. From this point forward we will be actively enforcing the spirit of these rules more so than the exact letter of the law. Don't expect to skirt passed a raid suspension on a loop hole or technicality.

yeah great, so why (and I'm not being sarcastic or snarky here) did you not call accidental? It sounds like it was accidental.

[Arkanjil]

yeah great, so why (and I'm not being sarcastic or snarky here) did you not call accidental? It sounds like it was accidental.

Because there had been inconsistent rulings in the past on when it’s appropriate to call accidental. We said “call accidental and risk loot deletion if a GM doesn’t think it was appropriate for some reason, or just wait and see if they get it down in 30 minutes?” We chose to wait and not risk penalties, which is hilarious considering a member went full retard and trained you guys in retaliation for training us.

I don’t condone what Riptoes did at all and we are eating the punishment for the actions of one person. We conceded immediately, because Rip training was obviously stupid and cheap, your open raid still got Vulak, and we removed the offender, but that wasn’t enough.

See you in a week.

[Baylan295]

Because there had been inconsistent rulings in the past on when it’s appropriate to call accidental. We said “call accidental and risk loot deletion if a GM doesn’t think it was appropriate for some reason, or just wait and see if they get it down in 30 minutes?” We chose to wait and not risk penalties, which is hilarious considering a member went full retard and trained you guys in retaliation for training us.

I don’t condone what Riptoes did at all and we are eating the punishment for the actions of one person. We conceded immediately, because Rip training was obviously stupid and cheap, your open raid still got Vulak, and we removed the offender, but that wasn’t enough.

See you in a week.

No one has answered why AM moved from a safe spot to Vulak 4 way 10 minutes into their lock. Regardless of accidental or not - what was the reason for moving from a safe spot into a place with more risk?

The only answer I can come up with is to block a pull.

[Viscere]

Diamondfist, why so angry? Isn't it like 3am in your country? go to bed pal

You have to concede dragons, we took a 7 day bann for a meth head that lost his cool and got then guildkicked. All in all, it's all good.

[Gatordash]

We got along just fine while we were guilded together, Nexii, and I've never committed a raid suspension violation. I was wrong once about the ring8 rules, and they were only posted on the forums after I was suspended for it.

What's the etc.etc? If that's all you've got on me for my 6+ years on the server then you should take it back and try to smear someone else, and lay off on the kool-aid.

Riot literally committed a Raid suspension violation the same day. Which is now going to get fraps'd and petitioned and suspended on. Over a mob that was conceded right away, that you killed anyways right after, and due to a guy that got kicked from the guild for it. And its not like just Riot is going to eat suspensions from here on out, there are so many in TOV its an inevitability that everyone will mess up eventually. Its just so idiotic and shortsighted and the server is worse off delving back into everything getting fraps'd and petitioned.

[Nexii]

We got along just fine while we were guilded together, Nexii, and I've never committed a raid suspension violation. I was wrong once about the ring8 rules, and they were only posted on the forums after I was suspended for it.

What's the etc.etc? If that's all you've got on me for my 6+ years on the server then you should take it back and try to smear someone else, and lay off on the kool-aid.

Lying to Toggin about us taking 5 days to kick Riptoes. 100% not the case - was informed Tuesday. Anything to recruit I guess.

Raging at Ramen for no good reason when quitting Rustle.

Hypocrisy around small group camps, crying so hard when you'd get excluded yet you did it all the time yourself to guildies.

Probably more things I've forgotten while in Core

General shortsightedness leading the server back to 2017 times or worse where people couldn't just enjoy EQ half the time. Soon it'll be month long suspensions for both AM and Riot. GMs don't play favorites in the long run. All the crybabies will get punished

[diamondfist]

No one has answered why AM moved from a safe spot to Vulak 4 way 10 minutes into their lock. Regardless of accidental or not - what was the reason for moving from a safe spot into a place with more risk?

The only answer I can come up with is to block a pull.


A member without sow, DA training about 30 seconds of run into another raiding party. Is the official note on the suspension...

But Wait! Theres more!

Raid interference + Now Tracker FTE on a mob they killed?(Presented in these forums by an AM member, and confirmed by an AM officer. LOL) Maybe Aftermath's vacation will be longer then 7 days.



I heard Detoxx loves vacations.

[Arkanjil]

A member without sow, DA training about 30 seconds of run into another raiding party. Is the official note on the suspension...

But Wait! Theres more!

Raid interference + Now Tracker FTE on a mob they killed?(Presented in these forums by an AM member, and confirmed by an AM officer. LOL) Maybe Aftermath's vacation will be longer then 7 days.



I heard Detoxx loves vacations.

I'm surprised you've made it this long in life.

[dovi1212]

This thread has actually made me sick, myself and all of AM concede the fact that we should get suspended for the actions of one person.
Although that action had zero effect on your raid besides maybe extending it by 15 minutes, it has become obvious you are out for blood.
If this is the direction we are heading now it might as well be instanced since i can't recall a single cycle where a guild hasn't been trained a little (Hopefully accidents). Hopefully it wont be completely ruined now...

Also just because, why the hell would a cleric run though NToV doors when another guild is engaged on Eashen?? he had no business being there. #samelogic

[Thorney]

Better questions like why does one person logging in on top of a boss who's gone LD lock a guild in for 30 mins. Wouldn't say it was malice, more derpiness. Had no officers on with working mics. AM was in la la land more or less that cycle.

For AM to stand in the 4 way for 10 minutes was dumb. For Riot to train us with 30 seconds 'warning' (I wouldn't call it reasonable warning) is dumb. To get the GMs to get involved is dumb. For the GMs to agree to get involved is dumb.

Didn't two green scales got deleted for a "login FTE" just a few weeks ago? Not saying this is a good policy, but it does seem to be the operative policy.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325497

[planarity]

General shortsightedness leading the server back to 2017 times or worse where people couldn't just enjoy EQ half the time. Soon it'll be month long suspensions for both AM and Riot. GMs don't play favorites in the long run. All the crybabies will get punished

At the summit we discussed how intentional trains have (to all our credit) been fleetingly rare on this server for years. We also discussed how they merit especially severe punishment. We didn't just make that up -- it's Rogean's *number one rule* here: https://www.project1999.com/raid.php

All you have to do is not intentionally train on raids, and raid suspensions should be accordingly fleetingly rare as well. But instead of owning this, you guys are lashing out like spoiled brats, and acting like now everything has to be petitioned. No. Just don't intentionally train.

As for your personal attacks: none of that is very compelling, most of it doesn't even make any sense. I'm quite content to be known as someone who doesn't like Ramen, though.

[Fireapple]

https://i.imgur.com/3yxpK7j.jpg

[Gatordash]

No it wasn't. Go read the GM's post on the raid faq that coincided with the suspension. You gained nothing from this petition other than just doing it to suspend a guild, so calling everyone brats is hypocrisy.

[xerozz]

https://i.imgur.com/3yxpK7j.jpg

[Nexii]

At the summit we discussed how intentional trains have (to all our credit) been fleetingly rare on this server for years. We also discussed how they merit especially severe punishment. We didn't just make that up -- it's Rogean's *number one rule* here: https://www.project1999.com/raid.php

All you have to do is not intentionally train on raids, and raid suspensions should be accordingly fleetingly rare as well. But instead of owning this, you guys are lashing out like spoiled brats, and acting like now everything has to be petitioned. No. Just don't intentionally train.

As for your personal attacks: none of that is very compelling, most of it doesn't even make any sense. I'm quite content to be known as someone who doesn't like Ramen, though.

So prove the Eashan train wasn't intentional. All a matter of how a fraps is interpreted. Same situation, no reason to run through the Eashan door despite knowing AM was actively engaged.

[JayDee]

Grats to AG for stepping up when it wasn't easy. Seems like just yesterday you guys were being laughed at for even trying. Looks like you got the last laugh.

Does this mean AG are the new bad guys? Are the guilds who were once aligned with AG going to cry about how they are the ones ruining the raid scene for them?

[nostalgiaquest]

last night i was in a group with people from riot, aftermath, azure guard, and dawn believers. At the same time!

it was awful!

<insert grumpy cat phase here> (RIP his soul)

- Brocean the bard

[Mblake81]

Expertly crafted with beards in mind, our non-greasy SPF formula quickly absorbs into your beard. This bad boy serves triple duty as a daily SPF 30 to help protect you during your adventures under the sun.

[kotton05]

No such thing as sitting on the tracks. On this server a train is a train which sucks balls because training in end game raid zones is the most fun you can have.

[tombombadilo21]

Thoughts and Prayers for DMX and Monrezz during this dark time.

At some point, you'll be like, you know what, we probably should have just conceded 2 more vulaks and 2 aarys and called it a day instead of being unreasonable and unwilling to budge on not giving up anything.

If I were an AM member, I'd question my leaderships sanity at this point if they STILL don't understand what they did wrong.

Also, Ramen is not a very likable person. *breathes heavily*

[Heebs13]

- Refusing to take ownership of their behavior
- Lying
- Gaslighting
- Verbal abuse
- Rarely apologizing
- Judging others
- Always having to be right
- Constant negativity
- One-upping others
- Constant criticism
- Losing your temper
- Manipulating others

Anyone else playing AM bingo in this thread? Let me know if I missed any.

[DromalPhrenia]

Has AM ever deleted loot from a mob it conceded?

What? You don't delete the loot yourself, voluntarily, a GM deletes the loot. Why are you acting ignorant about a rule you know?

[k9quaint]

Proughts and thayers nerds!

[Baylan295]

What? You don't delete the loot yourself, voluntarily, a GM deletes the loot. Why are you acting ignorant about a rule you know?

It’s disingenuous to suggest that anyone has deleted loot when they voluntarily concede mobs. Which was suggested earlier in this thread.

[DromalPhrenia]

It’s disingenuous to suggest that anyone has deleted loot when they voluntarily concede mobs. Which was suggested earlier in this thread.
Killed mob, conceded 2x, loot wasn't handed to the guild you trained, so loot gets deleted. Or did that change?

[Baylan295]

Killed mob, conceded 2x, loot wasn't handed to the guild you trained, so loot gets deleted. Or did that change?

I’ve never seen loot deleted without GM involvement. So - the question is - when has AM deleted loot voluntarily?

[rezzie]

Love the misinformation here...

What misinformation?

Fraps of your Eashen train was posted at 22:23: https://youtu.be/KP2GnGnLwu0?t=31.

Initially you dismiss it because you're too busy cothing up to Zlexak while we CR from your train:

Baylan <Riot>14/06/2019
There's a lot going on and the mob is already dead, so you'll forgive me if I don't pay much attention atm.


You then engage Zlexak while we CR from your train:

[Fri Jun 14 22:34:24 2019] Zlexak engages Quean!


Two minutes into your engage you admit fault for the Eashen train, while we are still CRing from it:

Arthion <Riot>14/06/2019
Riot concedes the next 2 Eashens. Sorry for the trouble.


Riot loudly proclaims it is the guild of fair play, and has said previously that Riot believes that if a guild is trained they should be given the chance to set up and have an attempt. In reality, Riot took advantage of the fact we were dead from their train and had 9 minutes to drop Zlexak but chose not to do so.

When this was hypocrisy was pointed out the response given was:

Planarity <Riot>14/06/2019
at this point it's not a live issue so we're going to take time to discuss it. <Riot> has co-leadership
we'll make it right, we won't respond to threats tho


We conceded Vulak within 3 minutes of fraps being posted to us and we waited a further 30 minutes before engaging another mob (which we didn't have to do) to "make it right".

The argument made against us and the justification for the petition: we took time to discuss the guild removal of a member after the cycle was over. It wasn't a "live issue" and we had asked for time to discuss it, given that half our officers were on vacation.

Please highlight the misinformation Diamondfist.

[rezzie]

Explain to me why you guys didnt call accidental? You wanted to lock, because you wanted aary not knowing vulak was an option.

Because when we have called accidental on mobs previously we've been told it is not possible to "accidentally" FTE a raid mob in a raid zone, and have been forced to concede. It cost us 2x Vulak's with Tempest and it cost us 2x Jorlleag(?) too.

This doesn't seem to apply to AG of course, who can ignore FTE locks and call accidentals which are accepted:


[Sun Apr 28 17:59:03 2019] Eashen of the Sky engages Robot! <Azure Guard>
[Sun Apr 28 18:22:56 2019] Terror engages Chappu! <Azure Guard> (+24 minutes)



[Mon Apr 29 21:17:10 2019] Zlexak engages Nubby!
[Mon Apr 29 21:40:23 2019] Klandicar engages Aleadel! (+23 minutes)



[Sun May 05 21:43:27 2019] Cazic Thule engages Chappu!
Terror died to AG around 21:50 EST (+7 minutes)


---

You wanted to lock, because you wanted aary not knowing vulak was an option.

We absolutely knew Vulak was no longer invulnerable before the Aaryonar FTE went out. We had no intent of going for Aaryonar, which is why not a single AM toon mobilised for him at any point.

It's why this was the response in guild chat:

[Fri Jun 14 23:52:13 2019] Aaryonar engages Kelfox!
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:19 2019] You say to your guild, 'wtf kelfox'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:19 2019] Playbook tells the guild, 'wtf'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:20 2019] You say to your guild, 'why'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:24 2019] Vraxx tells the guild, '...'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:25 2019] Enigmo tells the guild, 'WHY?'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:30 2019] Heptagon tells the guild, 'its a fucking bard'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:34 2019] Mgkida tells the guild, 'WHAT THE UFCK'


Keep painting the picture you want, just stop pretending like you're saying it with any authority or facts to back it up.

[Ruhtar]

Is quoting me out of context somehow supposed to make yourself sound smart? Taking out the ol internet argument playbook and flipped the page back to the year 2005 I see.

Relax guy I never was targeting you directly, I simply said usually you try to talk the situation over and then make a decision with every officer weighing in their opinion on the subject, which is exactly the information rezzie told you. May not fit your narrative of AM being an evil organization, but hey its what most civilized people do. Whens Narshe's next issue of "AM bad magazine" since that seems to be your favorite reading material?

You still don't get what I was trying to say. Guess it was a smart move on my part to go get high and watch hentai instead.

Also, the amount of lawyerquesting in here by AM is hilare-bear. One of my faves is the whole, "why was AM up by Vulak when they were still locked to Aary?", AM response: "Change the subject! Y u ned so mooch rume 4 spletz lel"

Stop with the deflections and excuses. Aren't you all suspended? Say hi to friends and family that you haven't seen in forever. Go outside. Play a different game like Dota Chess (lol). Look at all of this unsolicited advice I can give!

[Fazlazen]

What misinformation?

Fraps of your Eashen train was posted at 22:23: https://youtu.be/KP2GnGnLwu0?t=31.

Initially you dismiss it because you're too busy cothing up to Zlexak while we CR from your train:


You then engage Zlexak while we CR from your train:


Two minutes into your engage you admit fault for the Eashen train, while we are still CRing from it:


Riot loudly proclaims it is the guild of fair play, and has said previously that Riot believes that if a guild is trained they should be given the chance to set up and have an attempt. In reality, Riot took advantage of the fact we were dead from their train and had 9 minutes to drop Zlexak but chose not to do so.

When this was hypocrisy was pointed out the response given was:


We conceded Vulak within 3 minutes of fraps being posted to us and we waited a further 30 minutes before engaging another mob (which we didn't have to do) to "make it right".

The argument made against us and the justification for the petition: we took time to discuss the guild removal of a member after the cycle was over. It wasn't a "live issue" and we had asked for time to discuss it, given that half our officers were on vacation.

Please highlight the misinformation Diamondfist.

go outside

[Molitoth]

What misinformation?

Fraps of your Eashen train was posted at 22:23: https://youtu.be/KP2GnGnLwu0?t=31.

Initially you dismiss it because you're too busy cothing up to Zlexak while we CR from your train:


Riot was asked in Discord/guild chat MANY times if that was a Riot member that trained on Eashan without a response. At that point, it was assumed AM trained themselves, so the Eashan fight went on.

When the AM fraps showed it was a Riot tagged toon that trained and didn't speak up, it was a pretty big letdown for everyone else, so I can sympathize with innocent AM members that are effected by 1 members actions.

The difference being that the Riot train on Eashan was just someone being ignorant to mechanics/faction in that area. Considering the AM wipe to Eashan, it was about to be the easiest Eashan for Riot post patch, so training AM on purpose after they already wiped, and having to conceed 2 more Eashans would be an incredibly stupid move.
Riptoes was not ignorant to where Riot/AG was parked for Vulak guard pulling.

I don't think anyone in either guild is happy about either situation.


Disclaimer: Speaking for myself and do not represent Riot or AG.

[smitho1984]

#Above It

[rezzie]

The difference being that the Riot train on Eashan was just someone being ignorant to mechanics/faction in that area.

Yep, I'm not saying the Eashen thing was deliberate - shit happens sometimes.

[baakss]

What misinformation?

Who did you initially blame the Eashen train on in Riot? Was it the same person who actually trained?

[Mblake81]

#Above It

The position of the underdog. Play it well.

[DromalPhrenia]

I’ve never seen loot deleted without GM involvement. So - the question is - when has AM deleted loot voluntarily?
When did I say the loot would be deleted voluntarily? I am asking if the loot was deleted. Did a GM delete the Eashen loot yet?

[Endonde]

Lying to Toggin about us taking 5 days to kick Riptoes. 100% not the case - was informed Tuesday. Anything to recruit I guess.

Raging at Ramen for no good reason when quitting Rustle.

Hypocrisy around small group camps, crying so hard when you'd get excluded yet you did it all the time yourself to guildies.

Probably more things I've forgotten while in Core

General shortsightedness leading the server back to 2017 times or worse where people couldn't just enjoy EQ half the time. Soon it'll be month long suspensions for both AM and Riot. GMs don't play favorites in the long run. All the crybabies will get punished

Keep my name out of your fucking RnF posts if you have no fucking clue what you're talking about please and thank you.

[reznor_]

feel you are above doing the same

I think you’re a hypocrite, and I think you’re going to eat those words within 6 months. It’s easy to see through the holier than thou act that you and Riot leadership puts on. You got a lot of mouths to feed now. See you on the battlefield (in a week, that is ;) )

Also, please don’t wipe to any raid encounters today. Not that it should be a problem with your 5 guild alliance, but you never know.

[isiah]

I think you’re a hypocrite, and I think you’re going to eat those words within 6 months. It’s easy to see through the holier than thou act that you and Riot leadership puts on. You got a lot of mouths to feed now. See you on the battlefield (in a week, that is ;) )

Also, please don’t wipe to any raid encounters today. Not that it should be a problem with your 5 guild alliance, but you never know.

Oof, the salt.

[24kanthony]

I think you’re a hypocrite, and I think you’re going to eat those words within 6 months. It’s easy to see through the holier than thou act that you and Riot leadership puts on. You got a lot of mouths to feed now. See you on the battlefield (in a week, that is ;) )

Also, please don’t wipe to any raid encounters today. Not that it should be a problem with your 5 guild alliance, but you never know.

LOL this dude is so mad about elf sim 99.
Will their raid wipe today be getting in the way of something you'll be doing or...

[reznor_]

Oh I'm at work. It's just...it can happen :D

[Mblake81]

It’s easy to see through the holier than thou act that you and Riot leadership puts on. You got a lot of mouths to feed now. See you on the battlefield (in a week, that is ;) )

Doom Speak

[Fifield]

Anyone who makes a joke about zerg or numbers is just being salty. That is literally the only way to compete with rooted dragons.

And 80% of the kills between 200 people is better then 20% kills with 50. And just a damn good time rushing those dragons with an army

[enjchanter]

Anyone who makes a joke about zerg or numbers is just being salty. That is literally the only way to compete with rooted dragons.

And 80% of the kills between 200 people is better then 20% kills with 50.

Took out last line cuz raiding isnt fun but finally another person says it.

[deezy]

Anyone who makes a joke about zerg or numbers is just being salty. That is literally the only way to compete with rooted dragons.

Spawn more overlords.

[Twochain]

At the summit we discussed how intentional trains have (to all our credit) been fleetingly rare on this server for years. We also discussed how they merit especially severe punishment. We didn't just make that up -- it's Rogean's *number one rule* here: https://www.project1999.com/raid.php

All you have to do is not intentionally train on raids, and raid suspensions should be accordingly fleetingly rare as well. But instead of owning this, you guys are lashing out like spoiled brats, and acting like now everything has to be petitioned. No. Just don't intentionally train.

As for your personal attacks: none of that is very compelling, most of it doesn't even make any sense. I'm quite content to be known as someone who doesn't like Ramen, though.

I agree with our suspension. The reason I agree, is due to how obvious it is that Riptoes trained you guys on purpose. And it's only one week. An example needs to be set, you train on purpose, you and your 230 friends can't raid for a week. So don't fucking do it. I have a feeling there will be a quake this weekend. So we'll effectively miss two cycles if so. Personally i'm much more comfortable with the way Llandris has been handling the raid scene. I appreciate Sirken for everything he has done, but sometimes his punishments felt heavy handed. And guild relations may feel strained right now, but nothing compared to the old A/A days. It feels like we have been all trying to get along a little better than before. So that's great.

But this is a slippery slope. It's true that intentional, blatant ass training is pretty rare in our raid scene. But the key word there is blatant. I'd bet $100, but not $1000 that whoever was eyeball pulling @Vulak trained us on purpose to begin with. Why wouldn't you? And i'm not saying it was a guild wide conspiracy, such as, saying in comms "they are standing in the tracks, just pull the flurries out all the way, if it trains them it's their own fault." But I'd be willing to bet whoever did pull those guards out, knew in their own mind DAMN WELL it was going to train us. And not only that, we wouldn't really be able to do much about it due to gray areas of this specific encounter.

The blatant part about the train is that, we were trained by your flurries, Riptoes DA'd, and very obviously ran it to your position. 100% dumb as fuck. Obvious as shit.

Now let's revisit Eashen. We were both positioned to engage. We probably beat your engage by seconds. It was clear that you guys were about to go in. Truthfully, we weren't totally ready for it, but we felt you breathing down our necks and made the move to engage. One of your members could have been mad about it. (I'm unsure of the situation with the cleric in mind) So they switched to their cleric after we had ALL the drakes down, and had Eashen at ~40%. Runs through north door. Whooooooops where did these wyverns come from? Oh it looks like they are on an AM warrior. Truthfully, if i remember the fraps correctly, there was ONE FRAME where you could see the persons name/guild. We almost didn't even have proof that a Riot cleric caused it. Not only that.... but it's the fucking North door. Right before rooted dragons were implemented, there was a raid rule that NO ONE WITHOUT SNEAK/HIDE may enter the north door while an active FTE is out. Everyone who has raided ToV more than once knows that running through north door as a non sneak/hide class is a death sentence unless you know how to time it with server tics. And even then it's sketchy as fuck. Additionally, you guys said for yourselves that the person was completely unresponsive in guild chat.

So my point is, we obviously want to assume that this person didn't do it on purpose. But the truth is, only the person that trained the wyverns on us knows for sure if they did it on purpose or not. And if it WAS on purpose, they did it smart enough to almost get away with it. The only thing we have to go on, is that the cleric's name wasn't very recognized. If it were, just as an example, Cleratani that did the same exact thing, it would seem intentional as FUCK. And how exactly do we know it's not a seasoned raider on a nameless cleric bot?

I see Riot people in here constantly claiming that Riptoes wasn't removed fast enough, or that we only did it because we were about to be suspended and wanted to save face. Then, logs are posted from Riot's guild leader saying things such as "My Co-leaders/officer group will take a look at this situation, make a decision, and make sure we make it right" As if Aftermath doesn't have the same kind of processes. Aftermath is not Detoxx's iron fist. Most of you guys didn't even realize that Detoxx took numerous breaks over the last year or two, sometimes not raiding much for months on end. We have great leadership over here, so you need to assume that Riptoes removal was due diligence rather than dragging our feet.

I don't think you guys should have petitioned us, but I do agree with and understand the suspension.

Regardless of all the nerdy ass shit that is going on in this thread, i'm just glad to have some real competition again. That cycle was the first time we got completely waxed since 2017. See ya'll next week.

[Freakish]

I don't understand how some one who is clearly DA has enough aggro to take mobs away from their camp. DA drop you to bottom of aggro list. It looks like he's the only one with aggro and taking mobs with him.

[isiah]

Four bracelets

TLDR so I fixed.

[Twochain]

TLDR so I fixed.

https://youtu.be/AI0gk2KJeho?t=190

Iksar in IRL

[kotton05]

I don't understand how some one who is clearly DA has enough aggro to take mobs away from their camp. DA drop you to bottom of aggro list. It looks like he's the only one with aggro and taking mobs with him.

Fizzle me timbers

[Fragged]

I agree with our suspension. The reason I agree, is due to how obvious it is that Riptoes trained you guys on purpose. And it's only one week. An example needs to be set, you train on purpose, you and your 230 friends can't raid for a week. So don't fucking do it. I have a feeling there will be a quake this weekend. So we'll effectively miss two cycles if so. Personally i'm much more comfortable with the way Llandris has been handling the raid scene. I appreciate Sirken for everything he has done, but sometimes his punishments felt heavy handed. And guild relations may feel strained right now, but nothing compared to the old A/A days. It feels like we have been all trying to get along a little better than before. So that's great.

But this is a slippery slope. It's true that intentional, blatant ass training is pretty rare in our raid scene. But the key word there is blatant. I'd bet $100, but not $1000 that whoever was eyeball pulling @Vulak trained us on purpose to begin with. Why wouldn't you? And i'm not saying it was a guild wide conspiracy, such as, saying in comms "they are standing in the tracks, just pull the flurries out all the way, if it trains them it's their own fault." But I'd be willing to bet whoever did pull those guards out, knew in their own mind DAMN WELL it was going to train us. And not only that, we wouldn't really be able to do much about it due to gray areas of this specific encounter.

The blatant part about the train is that, we were trained by your flurries, Riptoes DA'd, and very obviously ran it to your position. 100% dumb as fuck. Obvious as shit.

Now let's revisit Eashen. We were both positioned to engage. We probably beat your engage by seconds. It was clear that you guys were about to go in. Truthfully, we weren't totally ready for it, but we felt you breathing down our necks and made the move to engage. One of your members could have been mad about it. (I'm unsure of the situation with the cleric in mind) So they switched to their cleric after we had ALL the drakes down, and had Eashen at ~40%. Runs through north door. Whooooooops where did these wyverns come from? Oh it looks like they are on an AM warrior. Truthfully, if i remember the fraps correctly, there was ONE FRAME where you could see the persons name/guild. We almost didn't even have proof that a Riot cleric caused it. Not only that.... but it's the fucking North door. Right before rooted dragons were implemented, there was a raid rule that NO ONE WITHOUT SNEAK/HIDE may enter the north door while an active FTE is out. Everyone who has raided ToV more than once knows that running through north door as a non sneak/hide class is a death sentence unless you know how to time it with server tics. And even then it's sketchy as fuck. Additionally, you guys said for yourselves that the person was completely unresponsive in guild chat.

So my point is, we obviously want to assume that this person didn't do it on purpose. But the truth is, only the person that trained the wyverns on us knows for sure if they did it on purpose or not. And if it WAS on purpose, they did it smart enough to almost get away with it. The only thing we have to go on, is that the cleric's name wasn't very recognized. If it were, just as an example, Cleratani that did the same exact thing, it would seem intentional as FUCK. And how exactly do we know it's not a seasoned raider on a nameless cleric bot?

I see Riot people in here constantly claiming that Riptoes wasn't removed fast enough, or that we only did it because we were about to be suspended and wanted to save face. Then, logs are posted from Riot's guild leader saying things such as "My Co-leaders/officer group will take a look at this situation, make a decision, and make sure we make it right" As if Aftermath doesn't have the same kind of processes. Aftermath is not Detoxx's iron fist. Most of you guys didn't even realize that Detoxx took numerous breaks over the last year or two, sometimes not raiding much for months on end. We have great leadership over here, so you need to assume that Riptoes removal was due diligence rather than dragging our feet.

I don't think you guys should have petitioned us, but I do agree with and understand the suspension.

Regardless of all the nerdy ass shit that is going on in this thread, i'm just glad to have some real competition again. That cycle was the first time we got completely waxed since 2017. See ya'll next week.

Well said mate.

[Bellringer]

That cycle was the first time we got completely waxed since 2017.

https://i.imgur.com/YMC6hSf.gif

[Mblake81]

Anyone who makes a joke about zerg or numbers is just being salty. That is literally the only way to compete with rooted dragons.

And 80% of the kills between 200 people is better then 20% kills with 50. And just a damn good time rushing those dragons with an army

Took out last line cuz raiding isnt fun but finally another person says it.

I agree with the army rush. I like doing that. The current meta dictates such. As for fun..It can be anything but why am I trying to explain this to an adult.

Plenty of other games out there that might be "fun". I use to play FPS games a lot but never considered them fun. I got caught up in the rush perhaps. Looking back on my PC gaming I don't think I have ever played a game that is fun.

... I wasn't sitting at the keyboard rolling with laughter or something. Some messageboard antics have been closer to fun than any game. I don't think I play them for fun or ever have.

[Mblake81]

Maybe back in my 1990s PS1 days when sitting in the same rooms with my friends smack talking one another. I suppose that is why I enjoy listening to BS in comms channels.

[CodyF86]

We actually didn't petition you, Llandris did that on his own.

I don't even like posting here aaahh. :)

[Arkanjil]

We actually didn't petition you, Llandris did that on his own.

I don't even like posting here aaahh. :)

False...a petition was submitted by the leaders of the 4 guild alliance that was there that night.

[Bellringer]

False...a petition was submitted by the leaders of the 4 guild alliance that was there that night.

https://i.imgur.com/Yixr3jv.gif

[Arkanjil]

https://i.imgur.com/Yixr3jv.gif

O hey Bellringer, nice of you to show your face around here still.


https://i.imgur.com/rQQHzfA.png?1

[Bellringer]

O hey Bellringer, nice of you to show your face around here still.


https://i.imgur.com/rQQHzfA.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/lc8GScT.gif

[deezy]

https://i.imgur.com/lc8GScT.gif

https://i.imgur.com/tYIJPLZ.gif

[bspa0700]

Vallaen, at the time Riptoes trained everyone AM was down by Aary getting ready to engage him because it was thought Vulak couldn’t be attacked until he was killed. Someone discovered that wasn’t the case and was able to agro Vulak. Once this was realized Riptoes then trained all those mobs directly to our camp when not a single member of AM was in our direction. Guy is a piece of trash and I’d like to see how Aftermath decides to deal with that.

This is demonstrably false.

[gkmarino]

Better questions like why does one person logging in on top of a boss who's gone LD lock a guild in for 30 mins. Wouldn't say it was malice, more derpiness. Had no officers on with working mics. AM was in la la land more or less that cycle.This in my opinion is not the truth. I don't know for certain but I can say with confidence that almost everyone was racing to Aary because it was thought that Vulak was locked because of Aary. Once AM had first FTE on Aary the competition decided to test Vulak to see if it was unlocked because why not, had nothing to lose at that point.

[Synthlol]

This is demonstrably false.

You're a demonster.

[bspa0700]

I know some people like rooted dragons... but as someone who's been competing since right about when velious launched... this era is just dumb.

I fully expect some hardcore, only-been-on-the-server-9-months type to get really excited I'm posting this... but time on server brings wisdom. And seriously, the GMs killed their own product with this move.

[Yoink1986]

Lol conda’s upset AM isn’t getting what they used to get. Just sad.

[Dotgov]

How much room does someone need to split something? You don’t need the 4 way. That’s silly. We were trained. The cycle before, both guilds were sitting near 4 way and monks from both guilds used that hallway easily to split the guards.

Uhhh.. The real question is.. what's with the lack of photo quality/quantity of me on your front page? Although I do encourage the fame with a slight taste defamation, I expect more next time. Honestly, I just want to go viral, K?

+Dotguv reason, jus cuz..

...Y'cuda

[Mblake81]

I know some people like rooted dragons... but as someone who's been competing since right about when velious launched... this era is just dumb.

I fully expect some hardcore, only-been-on-the-server-9-months type to get really excited I'm posting this... but time on server brings wisdom. And seriously, the GMs killed their own product with this move.

https://i.imgur.com/LyxAvZI.jpg

[Arkanjil]

Uhhh.. The real question is.. what's with the lack of photo quality/quantity of me on your front page? Although I do encourage the fame with a slight taste defamation, I expect more next time. Honestly, I just want to go viral, K?

+Dotguv reason, jus cuz..

...Y'cuda

You made the front page because you’re a terrible player who went AFK a lot during raids. You became a meme.

[Dotgov]

You made the front page because you’re a terrible player who went AFK a lot during raids. You became a meme.

hurts me..

[bspa0700]

Lol conda’s upset AM isn’t getting what they used to get. Just sad.

Point proven. Took exactly 1 post. Thanks.

[Ruhtar]

I know some people like rooted dragons... but as someone who's been competing since right about when velious launched... this era is just dumb.

I fully expect some hardcore, only-been-on-the-server-9-months type to get really excited I'm posting this... but time on server brings wisdom. And seriously, the GMs killed their own product with this move.

Its always been shit, you're just now realizing it.

[Fifield]

Lol conda’s upset AM isn’t getting what they used to get. Just sad.

i don't think conda's upset, i think he just wants to pull dragons like we used to, he loved that shit

p99 changes all the time, have fun with it or go do something else like classic wow or something

[Dotgov]

because you’re a terrible player


A terrible player, within a terrible guild, calling another player terrible.

[bspa0700]

Its always been shit, you're just now realizing it.

Respectfully disagree.

The following were the era's (as I see it):


Autofire on spawn points
Pet pull from across zone
2 mage per wing - coth to common spots - discovering mage positioning - TL box to LTK
Awakened gets pissed they are getting crushed - changes interpretation to 2 mages per dragon mid-cycle
Lazy aggro code introduced - Wizard self re-bind/TL box FTE meta lasts maybe 6 weeks
Bind points removed. Run up race FTE lockout Meta
Coth meta re-added, live pulls re-added
Mage Quad DA
Dragons rooted, crawling required


I bolded the metas that I thought were fun.

Before we discovered pet tracking, when everyone had screenshares and guilds paid dkp for "pop caller" role was also pretty cool. But not sure I'd call that an era/meta - just a lack of knowledge.

[savagefilip]

That's a pretty low quality xhibit meme. Stale, and doesn't make sense.

[Dotgov]

That's a pretty low quality xhibit meme. Stale, and doesn't make sense.

Coming from you that means a lot.

[savagefilip]

Coming from you that means a lot.

It should. I'm a meme connoisseur.

[Dotgov]

It should. I'm a meme connoisseur.

K..

[Vallaen]

I wish you would go AFK from this thread as much as you go AFK on raids Dotguv

[Convict]

I know some people like rooted dragons... but as someone who's been competing since right about when velious launched... this era is just dumb.

I fully expect some hardcore, only-been-on-the-server-9-months type to get really excited I'm posting this... but time on server brings wisdom. And seriously, the GMs killed their own product with this move.

what if its someone who has been hardcore competing on the server before you knew it existed and disagrees with you? Is their point more or less valid than someone who has been here 9 months

[Yoink1986]

will give pp to whoever posts the best gif of Conda’s sadness.

[Dotgov]

I wish you would go AFK from this thread as much as you go AFK on raids Dotguv

Coming from someone who's been farming RnF since February of 2018.

[Arkanjil]

A terrible player, within a terrible guild, calling another player terrible.

Let me show you how to post a quality meme. Here is a picture you should be familiar with. This is your 7 guild abomination of an alliance. Within this picture...you’ll find yourself and your normal contribution to any raid.

http://i.imgur.com/zFMHzd4.jpg

Where is Dotguv?!

[icedwards]

Let me show you how to post a quality meme. Here is a picture you should be familiar with. This is your 7 guild abomination of an alliance. Within this picture...you’ll find yourself and your normal contribution to any raid.

http://i.imgur.com/zFMHzd4.jpg

Where is Dotguv?!

https://i.imgur.com/2xnHSzX.gif

[Vallaen]

Coming from someone who's been farming RnF since February of 2018.

Coming from someone who AFK's and FD's inside walls to hide.

[bspa0700]

what if its someone who has been hardcore competing on the server before you knew it existed and disagrees with you? Is their point more or less valid than someone who has been here 9 months

More.

But still wrong.

Next question.

[Dotgov]

Let me show you how to post a quality meme. Here is a picture you should be familiar with. This is your 7 guild abomination of an alliance. Within this picture...you’ll find yourself and your normal contribution to any raid.

http://i.imgur.com/zFMHzd4.jpg

Where is Dotguv?!

And here I present to you a video you all may be familiar with, a snippet of Aftermath's Ventrilo Chat after the gavel of justice striking the sound block, finding Aftermath guilty on all charges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs

[reznor_]

And here I present to you a video you all may be familiar with, a snippet of Aftermath's Ventrilo Chat after the gavel of justice striking the sound block, finding Aftermath guilty on all charges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs

lol, more like your guildies on the off chance they need you to be useful and you're FD and AFK'ed.

[Vallaen]

Its 2019 who the fuck uses Ventrilo.

Were you AFK your whole app period? no wonder you got voted no on.

[reznor_]

And here I present to you a video you all may be familiar with, a snippet of Aftermath's Ventrilo Chat after the gavel of justice striking the sound block, finding Aftermath guilty on all charges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs

cringing for you bud.

[Convict]

More.

But still wrong.

Next question.

because you disagree with it?

lmao k

[Dotgov]

Its 2019 who the fuck uses Ventrilo.

Whoa... relax.

[Dotgov]

cringing for you bud.

Thanks Pal.

[Jayzeus]

Let me show you how to post a quality meme. Here is a picture you should be familiar with. This is your 7 guild abomination of an alliance. Within this picture...you’ll find yourself and your normal contribution to any raid.

http://i.imgur.com/zFMHzd4.jpg

Where is Dotguv?!

I found Waldo first.

[phatogre]

Let me show you how to post a quality meme. Here is a picture you should be familiar with. This is your 7 guild abomination of an alliance. Within this picture...you’ll find yourself and your normal contribution to any raid.

http://i.imgur.com/zFMHzd4.jpg

Where is Dotguv?!
if you think about it, none of you contribute anything that means anything and really games are as fun as you make them. So being a nameless faceless member of a 7 guild alliance is as much of a contribution as being a wannabe Big Dick Energy MT in an 31337 raiding guild, as long as you have fun.

I don't think anyone is really having fun anymore in p99 and it's a sort of abandoned colony/Lord of the flies situation. I'm playing on a different era server and the raids are much harder, and my SK has way better gear than Detoxx or you could dream of (which does mean anything because none of it means anything really), the classes are way better balanced and more interesting, and I'm having way more fun. Somehow the content being challenging rather than the "competition" being the fun part has made the community way less T O X I C and ultradweeb dinguses like Conda wither and die because the focus is on teamwork and technical excellence across a raid rather than EQ ROCKSTARZ.

Anyway, I hope your alts get some levels during the vacation

[Dotgov]

Were you AFK your whole app period? no wonder you got voted no on.

The entire server including the staff members and some of your own guild members see the toxicity in Aftermath. What are you even saying? Who wouldn't AFK inside walls while you guys yelled at each other for 2 days in Discord for losing a Vulak to AG???

2 days?!

[Convict]

!

[Vallaen]

The entire server including the staff members and some of your own guild members see the toxicity in Aftermath. What are you even saying? Who wouldn't AFK inside walls while you guys yelled at each other for 2 days in Discord for losing a Vulak to AG???

2 days?!

Yeah we totally yelled at eachother over losing a vulak that spawns every week to AG. Don't think AG has ever killed vulak solo with him being rooted but sure.

[Dotgov]

Yeah we totally yelled at eachother over losing a vulak that spawns every week to AG. Don't think AG has ever killed vulak solo with him being rooted but sure.

lol... Just stop.

[Vallaen]

lol... Just stop.

lol oh you

[Dotgov]

lol oh you

Just going through some of the guild chat logs, disgusting..

[Tue Feb 05 13:26:37 2019] "Soandso" tells the guild, 'lets make sure no other guild get KT Dain CT Yeli anymore'

[Tue Feb 05 13:26:44 2019] 'Soandso" tells the guild, 'we will abuse that 7 day timer by locking down everything else THEN start clearing ToV'

[Tue Feb 05 13:26:48 2019] "Soandso" tells the guild, 'fuckers can cry'

[Tue Feb 05 13:27:52 2019] "Soandso" tells the guild, 'we should be on epic camps too b/c fuck them'

ulgh... The taint...

Don't delay... Join Today.

[Jonabis]

What a great weekend of classy competition amongst peers that respect each other. Sadly, P99 is truly a better place without Aftermath. I wish you guys would wise up and just learn to play nicely and treat people with a little respect. I know this is asking too much. Have you guys considered restarting on red? I'm sure the 7 guild alliance would fully support you all to have your charactors transfered there fully intact!

[Convict]

Yeah we totally yelled at eachother over losing a vulak that spawns every week to AG. Don't think AG has ever killed vulak solo with him being rooted but sure.

[Arkanjil]

What a great weekend of classy competition amongst peers that respect each other. Sadly, P99 is truly a better place without Aftermath. I wish you guys would wise up and just learn to play nicely and treat people with a little respect. I know this is asking too much. Have you guys considered restarting on red? I'm sure the 7 guild alliance would fully support you all to have your charactors transfered there fully intact!

It always starts out as rainbows and sunshine. If we were gone, it would descend into a power trip competition eventually. It always does.

[savagefilip]

It always starts out as rainbows and sunshine. If we were gone, it would descend into a power trip competition eventually. It always does.

This. It's human nature. Doubtless there are nice people in all guilds, but remember this: everyone's shit stinks.

[Molitoth]

Just going through some of the guild chat logs, disgusting..

[Tue Feb 05 13:26:37 2019] "Soandso" tells the guild, 'lets make sure no other guild get KT Dain CT Yeli anymore'

[Tue Feb 05 13:26:44 2019] 'Soandso" tells the guild, 'we will abuse that 7 day timer by locking down everything else THEN start clearing ToV'

[Tue Feb 05 13:26:48 2019] "Soandso" tells the guild, 'fuckers can cry'

[Tue Feb 05 13:27:52 2019] "Soandso" tells the guild, 'we should be on epic camps too b/c fuck them'


Some really cool/nice people in AM, but this is the kind of mentality that led into a "7 guild alliance".

[Wonkie]

This. It's human nature. Doubtless there are nice people in all guilds, but remember this: everyone's shit stinks.

you have nothing to lose but your chains

[matticas]

Let me show you how to post a quality meme. Here is a picture you should be familiar with. This is your 7 guild abomination of an alliance. Within this picture...you’ll find yourself and your normal contribution to any raid.

http://i.imgur.com/zFMHzd4.jpg

Where is Dotguv?!

Don't you STAND for this, Dotguv! You add yourself to those logs and STAND up for yourself! You're really, really good buddy.

[Yoink1986]

It always starts out as rainbows and sunshine. If we were gone, it would descend into a power trip competition eventually. It always does.

Wrong. Every other guild doesn't have Detoxx as a GL.

[Baylan295]

Don't you STAND for this, Dotguv! You add yourself to those logs and STAND up for yourself! You're really, really good buddy.

Excuse me while I feign ignorance.

[Kayso2]

It's why this was the response in guild chat:

[Fri Jun 14 23:52:13 2019] Aaryonar engages Kelfox!
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:19 2019] You say to your guild, 'wtf kelfox'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:19 2019] Playbook tells the guild, 'wtf'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:20 2019] You say to your guild, 'why'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:24 2019] Vraxx tells the guild, '...'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:25 2019] Enigmo tells the guild, 'WHY?'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:30 2019] Heptagon tells the guild, 'its a fucking bard'
[Fri Jun 14 23:52:34 2019] Mgkida tells the guild, 'WHAT THE UFCK'



More free recruitment advice. Don't advertise the fact that this is how you treat members over a simple mistake. It's not a good look.

[reznor_]

More free recruitment advice. Don't advertise the fact that this is how you treat members over a simple mistake. It's not a good look.

get a life, you only saw the snippet. jfc

[Kayso2]

I know some people like rooted dragons... but as someone who's been competing since right about when velious launched... this era is just dumb.

I fully expect some hardcore, only-been-on-the-server-9-months type to get really excited I'm posting this...

We're talking about Monrezz, right?

[baakss]

get a life, you only saw the snippet. jfc

Very touchy.

It'd be much easier for you to just admit to yourself that your guild is filled with socially defective people.

The raid scene this weekend was friendly and fun.

No lawyerquesting, nobody was angry, no borderline racist ooc comments from AM when they don't get their pixels.

The people currently in Aftermath are the problem. With them gone, everything is just better.

[reznor_]

Very touchy.

It'd be much easier for you to just admit to yourself that your guild is filled with socially defective people.

The raid scene this weekend was friendly and fun.

No lawyerquesting, nobody was angry, no borderline racist ooc comments from AM when they don't get their pixels.

The people currently in Aftermath are the problem. With them gone, everything is just better.

lol

[Nommis]

http://i.imgur.com/FDLXcGu.gif

Never forget the good times we once had boys. Have a blessed day.

#proudmom

[DromalPhrenia]

no borderline racist ooc comments from AM when they don't get their pixels.



Lmao what’s this now?

[Dotgov]

Don't you STAND for this, Dotguv! You add yourself to those logs and STAND up for yourself! You're really, really good buddy.

Thank you for your contribution ⭐️

[Convict]

lol

yeah it is funny how true it is :/ oh well

[Kiln99]

Im sure the entire NFL would be happy to not have the Patriots play for a year too. It’s all relative, truly hope you guys had fun. See you whenever we get back!

[Convict]

Im sure the entire NFL would be happy to not have the Patriots play for a year too. It’s all relative, truly hope you guys had fun. See you whenever we get back!

Love your guys egos. They are sooo over sized for the shoes you are in, especially now.

the Oakland raiders are a much more appropriate comparison

[Kiln99]

Damn dude, you really missed the Patriots cheating comparison I lobbed up for you. Hatred blinds, buddy.

[Jimjam]

Does AM offer DKP sign up incentives for joining during suspensions? Maybe credit a weeks worth of DKP/attendance scores during a 7 day ban?

[Bellringer]

https://i.imgur.com/n36CIUT.jpg

[Jonabis]

https://i.imgur.com/n36CIUT.jpg

Bellringer, confirmed best ex-Tempest guild leader at collaging. This is not a .gif though boss. What's up with that?

[tombombadilo21]

https://i.imgur.com/n36CIUT.jpg


Ooof getting burned by Bellringer.

#FeelsBad

[Nexii]

The recruitment advice is don't, find guilds to absorb or merge with

[tombombadilo21]

The recruitment advice is don't, find guilds to absorb or merge with

Sorry you underdog.

[Magerin]

The moment AM let Tempest / Core rejects in the guild, AM was over.

[Dotgov]

https://i.imgur.com/n36CIUT.jpg

[shuklak]

There's going to be a rough water time period as people jockey for position while many of the highest BMI neckbeards going into a state of semi hibernation while they prepare for Green99.

[Nuggie]

There's going to be a rough water time period as people jockey for position while many of the highest BMI neckbeards going into a state of semi hibernation while they prepare for Green99.

Should provide for good RnF reads for months to come.

[hobart]

Does AM offer DKP sign up incentives for joining during suspensions? Maybe credit a weeks worth of DKP/attendance scores during a 7 day ban?

Pretty sure they earned more DKP during the ban than they did in 48 hours after it. What holiday were these bros enjoying while spending time with family this time?

[Thulghor]

There's going to be a rough water time period as people jockey for position while many of the highest BMI neckbeards going into a state of semi hibernation while they prepare for Green99.

Hahahaha. This is great.

[ItsDeckard]

bean dipp

[ItsDeckard]

https://i.imgur.com/PqPm6tB.jpg

Is there really no edit button?

[Twochain]

https://i.imgur.com/n36CIUT.jpg

i'll give it a 7.5/10. Nice meme Bellringer!!!!

It's summer. A lot of people are on vacation.

Vulak popped at 4am EST. It took Riot (plus Guard Guard I think?) 4 hours to kill Vulak.

4am to 8am raid to kill Vulak.

I think we need to look at unrooting the dragons boys.


We had a pretty decent cycle though.

Bell, we need more people for the zerg. If you wanna come raid on a cleric bot w/o TS permission please feel free to app, we need ya buddy.

[Nexii]

Yea or more classically tuned TOV. It's definitely overtuned (resists/mob hit %), guilds crawled TOV with 40-50 people back on live in trash gear and less optimal class compositions. Vyemm requiring 100+ people is a little lol

AOW and Tunare are probably about right? Idk

Just all seems wrong, red server doesn't raid over half the game's content now. Blue may be similar by fall

[Dman2701]

Took 4 hours because lady m popped while we were killing vulak guards, after we killed lady m we finished guards again than Sev popped. So back again we went to kill sev than we were able to finally kill vulak.
So yeah took 4 hours to kill 3 dragons mainly because we had to zone out each time and kill vulak guards again.

[Fifield]

Blue may be similar by fall

There will always be people wanting to raid and kill tov this year. And the next. And the next...

[icedwards]

There will always be people wanting to raid and kill tov this year. And the next. And the next...

https://i.imgur.com/4YVYAnm.gif

[Twochain]

Took 4 hours because lady m popped while we were killing vulak guards, after we killed lady m we finished guards again than Sev popped. So back again we went to kill sev than we were able to finally kill vulak.
So yeah took 4 hours to kill 3 dragons mainly because we had to zone out each time and kill vulak guards again.

Nobody showed up to the bat phone because we pretty much knew it was going to be exactly like this. I wouldn't have been surprised if we just asked to team up so we could go to bed.... If we had our usual force. You see a 4am bat phone for Vulak, you KNOW it's going to be an hours long affair. With half your raid pretty much asleep.

[Kayso2]

You'd think summer would affect all the top raiding guilds equally thus making it a non-factor.

In case we don't get the next statue, please let me point out in advance that it popped on Sunday. Riot were collectively at church and/or celebrating our quinceaneras.

[Baylan295]

You'd think summer would affect all the top raiding guilds equally thus making it a non-factor.

In case we don't get the next statue, please let me point out in advance that it popped on Sunday. Riot were collectively at church and/or celebrating our quinceaneras.

Don't worry though, Kayso, the 168 people that AM has that have made more than 10% of their raids in the past month means the 172 people that Riot has are a true zerg.

[Kayso2]

Seems legit

[Arkanjil]

Riot absorbed around 7 guilds in numbers to get where you guys are. There's nothing too special about that. Enjoy the summer :)

[Kayso2]

It won't be the summer until we lose a mob. And then it will officially be summer, but just for us.

[Viscere]

There's going to be a rough water time period as people jockey for position while many of the highest BMI neckbeards going into a state of semi hibernation while they prepare for Green99.

Once green and wow classic are out, blue is going to be a ghost town

[Dugface]

Nobody showed up to the bat phone because we pretty much knew it was going to be exactly like this. I wouldn't have been surprised if we just asked to team up so we could go to bed.... If we had our usual force. You see a 4am bat phone for Vulak, you KNOW it's going to be an hours long affair. With half your raid pretty much asleep.

Just give up now. The whole point of a 24/7 guild seems to be lost. What was the reason for only having 21 for Gorenaire at 9am est - no long crawl necessary? Maybe just switch over to US evening prime, since apparently you don't have the Asians/Euros/daytime Americans to cover these anymore.

[Viscere]

Don't worry though, Kayso, the 168 people that AM has that have made more than 10% of their raids in the past month means the 172 people that Riot has are a true zerg.

168 people enjoying summer and limiting their play time

Why so angry about it pal?

[Daloon]

I've been mostly AFK the last 1-2 months,

Congrats <Riot> brothers, you finally did it after a 6(7?) guild mega-merger right as summer is kicking off, right as half of us give very few fucks about EQ, and right as Aftermath gets the first server suspension in forever, all after only ~3 years of Aftermath curb-stomping your faces. Other than that, it was all you.

Big things ahead. My advice is grind the fuck outta P99 Blue all summer long before Green hits, especially Vulak for 3 hours at 5AM like yesterday. Get the pixels that Aftermath rudely denied you of for years, and all under the banner of one guild tag!

https://i.imgur.com/AFMmvyV.png

:rolleyes:

[Convict]

yikes lol

[Viscere]

He spoke the truth tho damn lol

[Kayso2]

all after only ~3 years of Aftermath curb-stomping your faces.

Those three years don't count. We were all on summer break.

[Convict]

damn this almost makes me wanna go spend the next 2 hours pulling quotes from RNF from the last 3 years from aftermath members but this is sad enough already and I don't care enough as anybody that's been around the last 3 years already knows whats up.

I am sure its just a coincidence that when a bigger better guild finally came along after 3 years and "curb-stomped" you, "summer" and "5 am vulaks" suddenly became too much to handle for the elite raiding guild Aftermath that regularly pulled megazerg numbers even during an easier era with a meta that required maybe 40-50 people tops.

Enjoy your time out "enjoying summer" I'm sure you guys totally aren't still sitting in your room/mom's basement playing a different game and masturbating to hentai.

Those three years don't count. We were all on summer break.

this guy gets it :D

[Jonabis]

I've been mostly AFK the last 1-2 months,

Congrats <Riot> brothers, you finally did it after a 6(7?) guild mega-merger right as summer is kicking off, right as half of us give very few fucks about EQ, and right as Aftermath gets the first server suspension in forever, all after only ~3 years of Aftermath curb-stomping your faces. Other than that, it was all you.

Big things ahead. My advice is grind the fuck outta P99 Blue all summer long before Green hits, especially Vulak for 3 hours at 5AM like yesterday. Get the pixels that Aftermath rudely denied you of for years, and all under the banner of one guild tag!

https://i.imgur.com/AFMmvyV.png

:rolleyes:

I remember Aftermath having large 24/7 raid forces through many summers. Giving up is ok, even though I wish you all hadn't. This new meta is actually difficult unlike pulling dragons to a zone line. It's sad that the most elite strike force pixel nabbing competition loving neckbeards this server has ever seen are gonna be dethroned by some rooted dragons, I expected more!

[Baylan295]

I've been mostly AFK the last 1-2 months,

Congrats <Riot> brothers, you finally did it after a 6(7?) guild mega-merger right as summer is kicking off, right as half of us give very few fucks about EQ, and right as Aftermath gets the first server suspension in forever, all after only ~3 years of Aftermath curb-stomping your faces. Other than that, it was all you.

Big things ahead. My advice is grind the fuck outta P99 Blue all summer long before Green hits, especially Vulak for 3 hours at 5AM like yesterday. Get the pixels that Aftermath rudely denied you of for years, and all under the banner of one guild tag!

https://i.imgur.com/AFMmvyV.png

:rolleyes:

Oh, and let's see what AM was doing last year this time of year...

[icedwards]

I've been mostly AFK the last 1-2 months,

Congrats <Riot> brothers, you finally did it after a 6(7?) guild mega-merger right as summer is kicking off, right as half of us give very few fucks about EQ, and right as Aftermath gets the first server suspension in forever, all after only ~3 years of Aftermath curb-stomping your faces. Other than that, it was all you.

Big things ahead. My advice is grind the fuck outta P99 Blue all summer long before Green hits, especially Vulak for 3 hours at 5AM like yesterday. Get the pixels that Aftermath rudely denied you of for years, and all under the banner of one guild tag!

https://i.imgur.com/AFMmvyV.png

:rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/QqgPcfr.gif

[Hideousclaw]

Oh, and let's see what AM was doing last year this time of year...

Are you insinuating that summers, in past, have not been an issue and that maybe something more is at foot?

Big if true

[Yoink1986]

AM in rnf. Totally cringe worthy. Can’t...look..away..

[Sacer]

So AM give up on blue it's official? And focus on a more important server that is WoW classic? Interesting.

[Viscere]

Yeah

We were sleeping this morning

You guys not so much

https://i.imgur.com/MTMzScX.png

:D

[Dotgov]

Yeah

We were sleeping this morning

You guys not so much

https://i.imgur.com/MTMzScX.png

:D

Silly... anyone can post pictures of wipes. Remember this one? :D

[tylercanuck]

It looks like the casuals have become the neckbeards. Who knew pixel lust was so destructive?

[mycoolrausch]

The 10 year case study in the importance of instancing has nearly reached its conclusion. Hopefully all (0) games that haven't switched to instancing are watching!

[bonniz]

Yeah

We were sleeping this morning

You guys not so much

https://i.imgur.com/MTMzScX.png

:D

Dont distort this screenshot meaning pls....
And it shouldnt appear in RnF.
There is no negative meaning on this screenshot...i take this just becoz the corpsessssss...that's all! thanks

[Jimjam]

I would like to take this moment to congratulate everyone in AM for their new jobs/families and hope they all have a wonderful summer vacation. See you at WToV exit.

[aaezil]

Recruitment pitch:

Dont just get a lifetime ban for rmt - join AM and get a lifetime of raid suspensions!

[YendorLootmonkey]

I remember Aftermath

[-Catherin-]

https://i.imgur.com/ITI6TPS.jpg

[Hideousclaw]

https://i.imgur.com/ITI6TPS.jpg

Hahahahahahahahahaha

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/ITI6TPS.jpg

lol

[conoutoftrol]

https://hostelgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/create-a-life-no-vacation-travel-quote.jpg

[Dotgov]

https://i.imgur.com/ITI6TPS.jpg

My sides... 😂😂

[Syche]

https://i.imgur.com/ITI6TPS.jpg

Catherin just won this thread...#dying

[Twochain]

Also lets not forget we dominated the first 1-2 months of rooted dragons

[Hideousclaw]

Also lets not forget we dominated the first 1-2 months of rooted dragons

Ain't the past magical. Lets you bury your head in the sand and avoid the present.

MAGIC

[Baylan295]

Also lets not forget we dominated the first 1-2 months of rooted dragons

You mean before the merger and after your guild had worked and been together for years but before the merged guild had a chance to gel together?

[Fifield]

We can sit here and measure everquest dicks all night or we can all realise the truth of this era. Whichever team brings more people is most likely going to get the kill because they can engage with more trash up.

Lots of AM hated and still hate killing the rooted dragons without any competition, so much we'd leave them up all night and go back in the morning when 2-3 were up so we could even field the numbers to kill them.

I guess this is what RNF is for is shit talking, but if you cant appreciate another guilds ambition to gather people who want to raid and then executing, keep posting salt.

[Wonkie]

keep posting salt.

yes, do

[Nuggie]

Also lets not forget we dominated the first 1-2 months of rooted dragons

Wait, what? Dragons are rooted now? What a world this is now...

[Kayso2]

Also lets not forget we dominated the first 1-2 months of rooted dragons

That was summer for us. Doesn't count.

[Convict]

That was summer for us. Doesn't count.

[Mblake81]

We can sit here and measure everquest dicks all night or we can all realise the truth of this era. Whichever team brings more people is most likely going to get the kill because they can engage with more trash up.

Lots of AM hated and still hate killing the rooted dragons without any competition, so much we'd leave them up all night and go back in the morning when 2-3 were up so we could even field the numbers to kill them.

I guess this is what RNF is for is shit talking, but if you cant appreciate another guilds ambition to gather people who want to raid and then executing, keep posting salt.

Totally. I mean why couldn't they just get dragon kills with like a 30 man guild even at odd hours. They just wouldn't leave AM alone. So what if their most neck beardy members who were willing to do the tracking and organizing left them to join AM because they couldn't get the pixels they wanted. It's not that bad and it's not something to be angry about.

It did no warrant nerds finally getting so pissed off that they went to the extreme of joined up like 6 guilds in order to big dick AM out of kills. It's the meta they say, couldn't help themselves.

It was also their failing to git gud with negotiation to make better deals with AM leadership, to allow for some kills to be had. They should have got better educations in how the world works.

[Mblake81]

Zone pulling dragons was not boarderline exploitation either. A loot conveyor was just salty people on the forums who were mad someone figured out how to min/max the game for better success.

These rooted dragons make my bottom bleed.

[Mikebro]

We can sit here and measure everquest dicks all night or we can all realise the truth of this era. Whichever team brings more people is most likely going to get the kill because they can engage with more trash up.

Lots of AM hated and still hate killing the rooted dragons without any competition, so much we'd leave them up all night and go back in the morning when 2-3 were up so we could even field the numbers to kill them.

I guess this is what RNF is for is shit talking, but if you cant appreciate another guilds ambition to gather people who want to raid and then executing, keep posting salt.

Shut up and go ride your chocobo off into the sunset you nerd <3

[Mblake81]

Polish my Florsheim Imperials and put on my finest Brooks Brothers suit. I wanna see you at 1pm sharp to discuss competition. We are going to have to regulate guilds like Riot because what they have done is not fair to server health. They only think of themselves as the chosen ones but its obvious they are not.

[Mblake81]

"Molon Labe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe). I want to make it clear"

https://i.imgur.com/aJI4fkj.jpg

[Mikebro]

Drugs?

[Mblake81]

Drugs?

Strong coffee

[Heebs13]

Strong coffee

So, drugs.

[Mblake81]

So, drugs.

8 O'Clock is whats being served.

[aaezil]

Zone pulling dragons was not boarderline exploitation either. A loot conveyor was just salty people on the forums who were mad someone figured out how to min/max the game for better success.

These rooted dragons make my bottom bleed.

Yes im sure the original designers created the zone to be played that way. (they didnt)

[Viscere]

It did no warrant nerds finally getting so pissed off that they went to the extreme of joined up like 6 guilds in order to big dick AM out of kills. .

it's fine tbh, they finally put on the table what was necessary to go at us after we farmed for 3 years.

The lads gonna get a good and cosy summer while we chill. In september if Green is disappointing and WoW classic happens to be shit, I guess blue competition will get back to cutthroat af with AM being back to normal capacity

until then, work on your tan - nerds

[kotton05]

TLDR- zerg loses to the biggest zerg know to eq emu

[Baylan295]

it's fine tbh, they finally put on the table what was necessary to go at us after we farmed for 3 years.

The lads gonna get a good and cosy summer while we chill. In september if Green is disappointing and WoW classic happens to be shit, I guess blue competition will get back to cutthroat af with AM being back to normal capacity

until then, work on your tan - nerds

I was always under the impression AM didn’t do it for pixels but for competition?

Someone steps up and AM wilts in weeks? C’mon. I hope not.

[Heebs13]

I was always under the impression AM didn’t do it for pixels but for competition?

Someone steps up and AM wilts in weeks? C’mon. I hope not.

Somewhere on these forums I explained pretty clearly IMO what AM is after, and it's not competition.

[feniin]

Some real sour grapes coming from these few AM players.

[Nuggie]

TLDR- zerg loses to the biggest zerg know to eq emu

You saying TMO is back?

[mattydef]

Lol

[Clazxiss]

Vanilla WoW can't some soon enough. Looking forward to every guild having their own instance.

[Fifield]

Vanilla WoW can't some soon enough. Looking forward to every guild having their own instance.

screw the instances, open world pvp on classic WoW is gonna be wild!

I feel like there are alot of WoW players like EQ players, know all the ins and outs of that game and are gonna just destroy

[24kanthony]

When I was in the PS pull team and we started getting statue FTEs, AM's raid numbers started going up even higher than they had been, in what seemed like an obvious retaliation for our getting gud.
Now Riot has started dishing out what they were being served and AM is shocked by thier audacity. Go figure...

[gundumbwing]

screw the instances, open world pvp on classic WoW is gonna be wild!

I feel like there are alot of WoW players like EQ players, know all the ins and outs of that game and are gonna just destroy

Considering open world WoW PvP is solely based around zergs, I imagine you'll just quit again when you lose to the other bigger zerg.

[Convict]

screw the instances, open world pvp on classic WoW is gonna be wild!

I feel like there are alot of WoW players like EQ players, know all the ins and outs of that game and are gonna just destroy

yeah especially those of us that have been playing the private vanilla servers about as long as p99 has been out. Unlike p99 those get shut down constantly then you restart on a new server so some of us have done the vanilla grind to 60 a few dozen times.

[Mblake81]

screw the instances, open world pvp on classic WoW is gonna be wild!

I feel like there are alot of WoW players like EQ players, know all the ins and outs of that game and are gonna just destroy

https://i.imgur.com/vA68iOr.gif

Considering open world WoW PvP is solely based around zergs, I imagine you'll just quit again when you lose to the other bigger zerg.

https://i.imgur.com/A3lw2my.jpg

[Arkanjil]

https://i.imgur.com/vA68iOr.gif



https://i.imgur.com/A3lw2my.jpg

1/10. 1 just because you linked gif properly.

[Mblake81]

1/10. 1 just because you linked gif properly.

https://i.imgur.com/NLr6tKV.gif

[Fifield]

Considering open world WoW PvP is solely based around zergs, I imagine you'll just quit again when you lose to the other bigger zerg.

Mmhmm there's the hate rnf brings out.

I've been on this server a long ass time friend. Your going to have to do alot better then that to get me to quit. Care to try again?

[Nuggie]

Considering open world WoW PvP is solely based around zergs, I imagine you'll just quit again when you lose to the other bigger zerg.

You must be new around here. You're directing your comments at Fifi. He's a god damned legend around here. Watch your who're mouth!

... and this is coming from someone on the opposite side of the field as Fifi.

[Syche]

Mmhmm there's the hate rnf brings out.

I've been on this server a long ass time friend. Your going to have to do alot better then that to get me to quit. Care to try again?

You're not allowed to quit Fifield, you are one of the legit good guys on the server regardless of tag.

[gundumbwing]

The truth can hurt. Sorry bud.

Will enjoy hearing about you moving on to a new game once you start losing again (quitting).

[Fifield]

You literally don't know a thing about why some people play p99. It's the one thing this server has that very few out there have. A good community.

Come at me though. You don't post in rnf unless you can take it. So far your failing

[azeth]

The truth can hurt. Sorry bud.

Will enjoy hearing about you moving on to a new game once you start losing again (quitting).

barking up the wrong tree new boy

[fungame]

https://i.imgur.com/n36CIUT.jpg

[Wonkie]

You must be new around here. You're directing your comments at Fifi. He's a god damned legend around here. Watch your who're mouth!

... and this is coming from someone on the opposite side of the field as Fifi.

fifeld deserves a lot of credit for playing a video game for 9 years boy i tell ya what

[gundumbwing]

People playing an old was game on a non PvP server sure is scary.

Got me fellas.

[Nuggie]

fifeld deserves a lot of credit for playing a video game for 9 years boy i tell ya what

Your sarcasm is noted. I don't know how long he's been playing. But I figure he deserves credit for consistently being better than the competition(me, and others) for long periods at a time.

[Jonabis]

Mmhmm there's the hate rnf brings out.

I've been on this server a long ass time friend. Your going to have to do alot better then that to get me to quit. Care to try again?

Would give my heart back to have Fife and Jonwayne back. Miss my old pals dearly. If a Gorruk and Herm came back I would probably shed some tears of joy too.

[Syche]

Would give my heart back to have Fife and Jonwayne back. Miss my old pals dearly. If a Gorruk and Herm came back I would probably shed some tears of joy too.

#truth

[Fifield]

Has anyone spoke to either gorruk or herm in the last couple years? I wonder what they are doing these days, probably something alot more productive =D

[Jonabis]

I speak to Herm pretty regularly. He is kicking ass. Havent spoken to Gorruk in ages.

[Syche]

I speak to Herm pretty regularly. He is kicking ass. Havent spoken to Gorruk in ages.

I'm really glad to hear this!