ninja looting does not mean you make the rules

[FearsEdge]

I was in KC when Ledzepp ninja looted a Ogguk Cleaver(i think it's called) and decided that he would make up as he went along the rules for who would get the loot. My buddy Goragu was tanking for them. He could use it.
Ledzepp says that it might be a server first, it's not necesarily need before greed. SOmeone else says it is not a server first. Then he tries to say that goragu cant tank,which is no relevent. So when it became apparent that he was not going to give it up, Goragu rolled, even though he shouldn't have had to, and he won with a 99. I saw it. So Ledzepp decides that he is going to give it to someone in his guild, who was there earlier, as if someone in his guild deserves it more than someone who is there. He just kept making up excuses as he went along for why he was not going to give it up.

This is not very cool.

[FearsEdge]

Just wanted to say that no one wants to be in groups like that, I am sure. I know I don't want to have the norm be whomever ninja loots thing first gets to make up reasons as they go along for why they should decide whom it goes to, which is of course someone in their guild.

[FearsEdge]

just thought that this should probably be in R&f, but whatever, it's done.

[Trimm]

Good ol' Ledzepp.

[Gibcarver]

no one has ever so blatantly ninjalooted an item I would use before. I am so disappointed :(

[Lickum]

If the accusations are correct, what an asshole. This shouldnt be thrown to the wayside, a GM should strip it from him and suspend him to send a clear message it wont be tolerated.

[Smyd]

If the accusations are correct, what an asshole. This shouldnt be thrown to the wayside, a GM should strip it from him and suspend him to send a clear message it wont be tolerated.

Agreed. Teach him a lesson!

[Chucck]

If the accusations are correct, what an asshole. This shouldnt be thrown to the wayside, a GM should strip it from him and suspend him to send a clear message it wont be tolerated.

While I have absolutly nothing to do with this, this quote is ridiculous. While some people might find it wrong, which it might be, there is no reason for a GM to strip and suspend someone for looting in a group that he killed in. They are not our parents and need to govern every aspect of interaction, and there is not a rule to the server that states its always NbG, or done a specific way when it comes to looting. Each group can make their own rules. So to suspend someone would be crazy as he didnt break any actual rule.

[FearsEdge]

I argued with him for awhile until he logged off, he tried to say that since Goragu didnt random 100 right away (he jokingly randomed 100 100, which is obviously not a real roll, and he was joking because he thought he should get it in the first place, because no one else could use). When he actually DID random 100 a few minutes later when it became apparent that this guy had decided he wasn't giving it up because Goragu needed it, he won with a 99. I was watching. But he claimed he didn't actually win, since he didn't do it earlier.

Every time one of his ad hoc reasons for deciding who would get it(which again, he was only in the position to do because he ninja looted) was defeated he had another one.

I would like him to be here to defend himself, but he logged off when I kept repeating that Goragu, in fact, won the roll he shouldn't have had to roll in the first place.

[Tiggles]

Hey I can make up lies too when I lose the roll on loot

Screenshots or didn't happen

[falkun]

If the accusations are correct, what an asshole. This shouldnt be thrown to the wayside, a GM should strip it from him and suspend him to send a clear message it wont be tolerated.

Its not a suspendable offense according to the server rules. This is a case where you just announce it, the guy becomes a pariah, and you move on. There is nothing you can do about it except do your best to ensure he never groups with anyone again. Awfully difficult to ninja something solo.

[Ledzepp02]

This belongs in RnF, also, several of your accusations are horribly fabricated as to what actually happened. I'll start with /ran 99 100 does not count as a roll, every other piece of gear for the previous 10 hours in that group was /randomed and given to people that could use it, mostly people inside the zone at other camps.
He joined in the last hour or two and failed to pay attention/understand/question how that was occurring the entire night. The rest has already been thoroughly explained to the people involved. Good night.

[FearsEdge]

I am not necessarily arguing that GMs do anything about it. I am simply saying that I don't want to group with soemone like that. And no one else probably does. I would hope that his guild (Fusion) would not want someone with their guild tag just being a blatant ninja-looting jerk in the name of giving it to someone in the guild who was not there. I would hope that they would not tolerate someone making them look bad, and I would hope people who feel the same way I do would decide to not group with soemone who acts like that in the future.

[FearsEdge]

This belongs in RnF, also, several of your accusations are horribly fabricated as to what actually happened. I'll start with /ran 99 100 does not count as a roll

He randomed 0 100. I was there.

and when you brought it up there, at least 2 others pointed out that they saw a fair 99 on a random 0 100

[Chucck]

I argued with him for awhile until he logged off, he tried to say that since Goragu didnt random 100 right away (he jokingly randomed 100 100, which is obviously not a real roll, and he was joking because he thought he should get it in the first place, because no one else could use). When he actually DID random 100 a few minutes later when it became apparent that this guy had decided he wasn't giving it up because Goragu needed it, he won with a 99. I was watching. But he claimed he didn't actually win, since he didn't do it earlier.

Every time one of his ad hoc reasons for deciding who would get it(which again, he was only in the position to do because he ninja looted) was defeated he had another one.

I would like him to be here to defend himself, but he logged off when I kept repeating that Goragu, in fact, won the roll he shouldn't have had to roll in the first place.

Once again, that is your opinion on how loot should go. Need before greed as some people say. Doesn't mean that thats how it actually is unless agreed upon in a PUG ahead of time.

[FearsEdge]

Once again, that is your opinion on how loot should go. Need before greed as some people say. Doesn't mean that thats how it actually is unless agreed upon in a PUG ahead of time.

Goragu said that when he was there, it was a nbg group in practice, but no one actually explained explicitly how the loot was divided. I don't know, but I did see them random several times on things. He did in fact win the random roll, I know that much.

[Mardur]

Ledzepp has been a complete cock to everyone in KC so I can believe him ninja looting some warrior's well deserved phats.

[Trimm]

He joined in the last hour or two and failed to pay attention/understand/question how that was occurring the entire night.

So you had a tank in your group for one to two hours, and an upgrade for him (and only him, as it sounds) drops and you keep it to give to someone who was not even in the group? That doesn't make much sense.

[FearsEdge]

Hey I can make up lies too when I lose the roll on loot

Screenshots or didn't happen

You can make up lies too, and I could be lying, but I am not. I hope he has screenshots and posts them. Until then, you can believe me or not, but I am telling you what I saw.

[Scroll]

So you had a tank in your group for one to two hours, and an upgrade for him (and only him, as it sounds) drops and you keep it to give to someone who was not even in the group? That doesn't make much sense.

Agreed. We need a forum 'Douchebag' icon to apply to people like Ledzepp.

[carrots]

lol fusion.

[FearsEdge]

So you had a tank in your group for one to two hours, and an upgrade for him (and only him, as it sounds) drops and you keep it to give to someone who was not even in the group? That doesn't make much sense.

Thats exactly my point. He decided that since he ninja looted it, he would decide who deserves it or not, and whattaya know, it's someone in his guild. Thats why we don't typically do things that way. He wouldn't want someone to take something he could use and give it to one of their guildies, but it's okay for him to do it, since he grabbed it first, and the person who needed it is not important, right? *sigh*

[Bruno]

Why do people not take screen shots of this stuff?

[dredge]

Give him the Cleaver you giant turd.

I don't know the rules or care, but loot should go to group members before any guild buddies Ass Hat.

[bakkily]

i guilded with ledzepp in eminence, any way, FUCK THIS LOSER who wants to flame ledzepp

anyways

Duh! Ledzepps a winner!

im on your side ledzeppe, f the loser, no screen shots = no proof!

[Gibcarver]

We had been rolling on items for over an hour, with "does anyone need" being asked and FFA rolls if no one did. One example that stands out supporing that it was a NBG group was when the druid gloves dropped someone said to go ahead and roll because the druid already has them.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/93/cleaverroll.jpg

[Bruno]

Now that's what I'm talking about.

[Tiggles]

Seems like the warrior tried to pass one over on a rigged roll then lost. then 15 minutes later got lucky on roll and tried to claim that roll as his own.

Way to be terrible

Also, why isn't he the one on the forums?

[Ledzepp02]

The point is we were rolling on everything up until and including when he joined. We rolled on countless items while he was in the group. Somehow he did not pay attention to, or he simply chose to ignore that fact. Most likely when he was semi-afk leaving me to tank mobs and get them off our healer constantly. Him and the cleric were both non-guildies. The cleric stated that they did not care about our rules, they only wanted XP.

Before both of them we had a full guild group for 6-7 hours, where all of this was perfectly clear. We kept getting items, we kept giving them to people who needed them outside of group. This continued while both of them were in group. Even on a 1hb mace I could've used, he rolled against me and won because those were per the group rules. At that point i knew the rules were obvious.

The axe dropped and he said "wtf" when we were about to roll, I explained them again in detail and he flipped shit. We all rolled, someone got a 75 and he decided to roll /ran 100 100. I figured oh shit, I guess he doesn't really care about it, because thats not a serious roll.

10 minutes later, after he's pissed off about our rules that he should have obviously known by now, as he won a mace using them, he rolls 99 randomly. After the loots been distributed based on a roll, a second roll later never typically counts tbh.

He's just pissed that a guild group had certain rules for an entire day in effect, and he chose not to pay attention. EVERYTHING was /random'd throughout the day.

Not sure how much else I need to explain, he simply ignored the circumstances and raged on us for not following "standard pug procedure" when it was never a pug.

Again, Good Night

[M.Bison]

The plot thickens.

[casdegere]

He joined in the last hour or two and failed to pay attention/understand/question how that was occurring the entire night.

The key thing here is that you, LZ decided to keep a dropped item with a group looking on. At the very least, everyone should have gotten a roll for it.

I've noticed this alot in groups i've been in. Certain people tend to loot ALOT. I assume they have empty bags and destroy stuff they feel wont sell for very much so they can keep looting. I ask them for words for research that they pick up but rarely do they ever give them to me. A few times people pick up stuff and decide, themselves that we will roll for it at the end. What normally happens is that they end up leaving the group and no roll ever happens.

No more I say. From now on its need before greed then full greed random immediately. Its done quick and on the spot with WHOMEVER is there in the group at the time that it dropped. If you invite someone and something drops 5 minutes later. That's the price you pay for having a group. A small price I might add. Soloing has its place but it also gets boring and tedious. If all you care about is loot, everyone will see you for that quickly and I hope you enjoy soloing. You can make as many toons as you want but the player never changes. We three amigo's have a small list going now on who we will not be grouping with due to this very thing. Most of the time we do not say anything about it in group chat. We are in Vent. usually. But make no mistake, your actions are being observed.

[dredge]

Give him the Cleaver,

you can't decide that this item isn't up for rolls because my buddy wants it, but that's all besides the point, why did it even get to that?

It dropped and he's the only one that can use, so be a decent human being and give him the cleaver. Why would anyone even have to think about this?

[Bruno]

Give him the Cleaver

^

[Swordsly]

TFB - Typical Fusion Behavior.

Now, everyone shut up and let ledzepp talk!

[FearsEdge]

The point is we were rolling on everything up until and including when he joined. We rolled on countless items while he was in the group. Somehow he did not pay attention to, or he simply chose to ignore that fact. Most likely when he was semi-afk leaving me to tank mobs and get them off our healer constantly. Him and the cleric were both non-guildies. The cleric stated that they did not care about our rules, they only wanted XP.

Before both of them we had a full guild group for 6-7 hours, where all of this was perfectly clear. We kept getting items, we kept giving them to people who needed them outside of group. This continued while both of them were in group. Even on a 1hb mace I could've used, he rolled against me and won because those were per the group rules. At that point i knew the rules were obvious.

The axe dropped and he said "wtf" when we were about to roll, I explained them again in detail and he flipped shit. We all rolled, someone got a 75 and he decided to roll /ran 100 100. I figured oh shit, I guess he doesn't really care about it, because thats not a serious roll.

10 minutes later, after he's pissed off about our rules that he should have obviously known by now, as he won a mace using them, he rolls 99 randomly. After the loots been distributed based on a roll, a second roll later never typically counts tbh.

He's just pissed that a guild group had certain rules for an entire day in effect, and he chose not to pay attention. EVERYTHING was /random'd throughout the day.

Not sure how much else I need to explain, he simply ignored the circumstances and raged on us for not following "standard pug procedure" when it was never a pug.

Again, Good Night

You don't need to explain anything. It was quite obvious you were not going to give it to him after the third or fourth ad hoc bullshit reason why he shouldn't have it. Everyone who has any sense knows that they don't want to group with someone who acts like you did there, and I have already seen a few posts here expressing their disapproval of your behavior. Hopefully when you do a little growing up you will treat others the way you would want to be treated.

[Gibcarver]

When you(ledzepp) said you wanted the 7-21 1hb after linking me your two 14-28s I knew you were just joking. after the cleric said he would actually use the 7-21 with no stats and wasn't joking I gave it to him caus he was going to use it.

[Ledzepp02]

The key thing here is that you, LZ ..etc words etc...

The point is that that was the second thing I ever even looted in that group, because I didn't know this guy that kept randomly afk'ing while I pulled mobs into camp without telling us, who kept dotting mezzed mobs and almost kept killing people. The item was no different than any other other we rolled for, I just never saw the guy from VD before and wasn't sure if he would ninja something in spite of the rules previously mentioned to him, which he seemed to abide by.

I held onto the item for the rolls, simple as that. I didn't even win the damn thing, but had I, it would have gone to our SK that was previous in the group for a huge chunk of the day that we were at that camp, who actually PROVES that he knows how to tank and deserves an upgrade. The entire group wanted to boot the guy shortly after he joined simply because he could not tank whatsoever. But I had a conscious, he was at least more dps while I typically tanked mobs off of everyone else.

He ignored the rules and decided to flame and fabricate lies instead. End of Story.

zzzz

[dredge]

"who actually PROVES that he knows how to tank and deserves an upgrade"

oh, I forgot. You get to decide who's worthy for loot, never mind, that's the way it works here I see...

Grow up dude and give him the Fucking Cleaver.

[FearsEdge]

The point is that that was the second thing I ever even looted in that group, because I didn't know this guy that kept randomly afk'ing while I pulled mobs into camp without telling us, who kept dotting mezzed mobs and almost kept killing people. The item was no different than any other other we rolled for, I just never saw the guy from VD before and wasn't sure if he would ninja something in spite of the rules previously mentioned to him, which he seemed to abide by.

I held onto the item for the rolls, simple as that. I didn't even win the damn thing, but had I, it would have gone to our SK that was previous in the group for a huge chunk of the day that we were at that camp, who actually PROVES that he knows how to tank and deserves an upgrade. The entire group wanted to boot the guy shortly after he joined simply because he could not tank whatsoever. But I had a conscious, he was at least more dps while I typically tanked mobs off of everyone else.

He ignored the rules and decided to flame and fabricate lies instead. End of Story.

zzzz

So you admit that you did not win? You admit you have no claim to the cleaver you ninja looted because you did not win the roll.
He did, in fact, win the roll. So is he getting the cleaver? Nevermind this crap about him not being able to tank, I have levelled from 1-51 with him, he knows how to tank. Even if that were true, it is not relevant for like the 300th time, if he was not doing the job to your satisfaction as a group, you get rid of him. Its that easy. You do not get to keep him around for your convenience and then decide that he doesn't deserve any loot. Thats bullshit and you know it.

Who is this guy you said you would give it to if you won the roll and didn't win but are giving it to anyways? Do they agree with your tactics here? Would they want it, knowing that you screwed someone who was there out of it?

[Ledzepp02]

When you(ledzepp) said you wanted the 7-21 1hb after linking me your two 14-28s I knew you were just joking. after the cleric said he would actually use the 7-21 with no stats and wasn't joking I gave it to him caus he was going to use it.

Only after you lost the roll on the cleaver, as some sort of trade?

Why would you use a 8/28, or even a 7/21 weap when you have a 20/39 sky sword that we got for you? I'm done with this. The rules were CLEAR and MENTIONED. They were not pug rules, learn that not every damn group is a pug. We would have been better off without you fuckin up mezzed mobs in the group but I kept you dispite the group wanting you out, because no one else was lfg. If this was a raid and you were the shittiest, most afk SK there, would you get any loot? Probably not.

Done,
Finito,
ZZZ

[Gibcarver]

kept randomly afk'ing while I pulled mobs into camp without telling us, who kept dotting mezzed mobs and almost kept killing people. The item was no different than any other other we rolled for, I just never saw the guy from VD before and wasn't sure if he would ninja something in spite of the rules previously mentioned to him

^--- all fabrications. If grabbing a pop from the fridge 5 feet away twice in two hours constitutes randomly afking then there might be the closest thing to truth in what he said.
Guess all LZ can do to try and defend himself is to try and run me through the mud with him...sorry but I don't think it will work.

[FearsEdge]

I didn't even win the damn thing, but had I, it would have gone to our SK that was previous in the group for a huge chunk of the day that we were at that camp, who actually PROVES that he knows how to tank and deserves an upgrade.
zzzz

Once again, you don't have to explain anything, this says it all. This is my point here in making this thread. You decided that since you looted it, you were the one who could evaluate someones worth and decide what loots they deserve. That is colossally arrogant, and I stand by the statement that you would not want to be treated that way. WOuld you like to be in a group for two hours and then you don't get an upgrade because someone ninja looted and made up a bunch of bullshit reasons in a row why you shouldn't get it? You know you would be mad.

edit
and you admit that you didn't win the roll, and I know he did

which shouldn't matter, since he needed it

[Gibcarver]

Why would you use a 8/28, or even a 7/21 weap when you have a 20/39 sky sword that we got for you? I'm done with this. The rules were CLEAR and MENTIONED.


we rolled greed on the blackjack because it wasn't an upgrade for anyone(including myself duh).
I swapped to the 8/28 WITH A LIFETAP when the cleric said oom...healing myself for hundreds of hp while he got mana. And when you kept pulling while the cleric repeated that he was oom I kept using it until we took a med break.

[FearsEdge]

That reminds me of the other bullshit reason you made up. You said "consider it a trade for the free loot" when you left KC, and you told me the same thing when you logged off and stoppped defending your actions on EQ. I don't even know if you were there when we did joint VD/DA raids, but don't pretend like we were just getting free stuff. I have two items from sky, my Golden Efreeti arms, which I got on a just VD raid, I think, but at the very least I was helping to kill, and my Fiery Avenger, which you didn't do diddly for.
I don't know about his sky sword, but if our guild was there than we were helping. Don't act like you are some bigshot who gets to decide that because you were in a guild that we did joint raids with, that you are some how owed. What an asshole.

[guineapig]

Can anyone give me a good reason not to move this personal argument to R&F?

Because I am not seeing what this has to do with the server at large anymore.

[casdegere]

Look, regardless of who AFK's is good at their class, bad at their class. Whether you progressively begin to dislike those in the group you are in. Its about fairness and being the better man, Ogre or Halfling what have you. You could have simply given the item up and been the bigger man. Instead look what has happened with you on the defensive with your reputation in jeopardy. Now it sounds to me that you do care because you have responded here that you do care about your reputation and that you believe this to be all a misunderstanding. But when you continue advocating your actions...and from what it looks like, there was someone who could have used the item in your group which you do not deny. Its not going to fly I think. Actions always speak louder than words after the fact. And the fact is, you have the item and are unwilling to correct this misunderstanding.

[FearsEdge]

Can anyone give me a good reason not to move this personal argument to R&F?

Because I am not seeing what this has to do with the server at large anymore.

At the time, it was a current event, it had just happened. but now, no. There is no reason not to move it.

[Labyrrinth]

Can anyone give me a good reason not to move this personal argument to R&F?

Because I am not seeing what this has to do with the server at large anymore.

Maybe as a lesson for people to define and make sure everyone understands PUG loot rules - again and again and again.

And so everyone knows about ALL those involved... for future reference :)

[Swordsly]

Good night.

Again, Good Night

End of Story

Done

Finito

guys, i think ledzepp is trying to avoid questions. He decides who gets loot, he decides who lives, who dies. Get over it!

But seriously, this is standard DA attitude. It all started way back when DA was mass recruiting just to have their apps track raid mobs with NO CHANCE at raid loot. This mentality has carried over to fusion, its just a guild full of trolls and neckbeards.

[Massive Marc]

http://theforgottenreviews.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ninja-assassin.jpg

[FearsEdge]

just typed "ledzepp" into the edit tags window and I got a few funny suggestions, just try it. seems this is not the first time ledzepp has been a jerk.

[FearsEdge]

tag
fearsedge cant read

hahahhaaha, someone is just having fun with the tags now. Oh wait, I'm not supposed to be able to read. Uh..... what does that tag say?

[Misto]

Stop hijacking pixels bros. Not cool. Not cool.

[Otto]

Agreed. We need a forum 'Douchebag' icon to apply to people like Ledzepp.


You mean people who were a part of DA/Dozekar? I don't know how Fusion is but it appears to be no different.

[Raavak]

This early part of Kunark has really brought out the worst greed in some people. If the SK had a PoS quest sword why is he claiming need? This weekend I was with someone who claimed need on an item, then 2 hrs later saw him auctioning it. I bet this is happening alot right now with the inflated prices, but it sux. Need doesn't mean just your class/race can equip it. If you are going to loot it to sell then its greed.

[stonebeard22]

I just love how it was clearly stated, there was no other tanks LFG in the zone. So they had to keep the tank to continue pulls which got their mob to spawn with loot on it anyways.

Without him you wouldn't have seen your weapon. And it's stupid for 1 person to start a REALLY BAD loot situation with guilds that are supposed to be working together.

I see your stay short in Fusion.

[Foxx]

lol this is why blue servers are fail

[Massive Marc]

If the SK had a PoS quest sword why is he claiming need?

This is indeed a good question.

[Massive Marc]

This is indeed a good question.

^^ grammar fail.

[Kassel]

44/60 2hs vs a 20/39 1hs.

Oggok cleaver > Blade of Abrogation

[Scroll]

lol this is why blue servers are fail

QFE

[Hobby]

Just seems like it would be a good idea to fully describe loot system in ANY group situation when people join.


I've seen guild groups go Greed rolls only at Efreeti, and I've seen other guild groups go to efreeti soley for the purpose of getting 2 or 3 people their items.


Know the rules, explain them fully...and if you don't, its your own damn fault for not asking or not telling.

[Raavak]

44/60 2hs vs a 20/39 1hs.
Oggok cleaver > Blade of Abrogation

Oh, I thought maybe he had a Rheumguls.

[saucer]

Wow what a surprise - DA / Fusion member

[Teeroyoyort]

I didn't expect to see this from you Led.
To read that someone would have used a weapon in a NBG group and you took it anyhow, I'm was shocked.
Then to find out he won the roll on it and you kept it?... to give to someone else? wtf

Just because he has a decent 1 hander, doesn't mean he doesn't need a decent 2 hander. Would you have turned down a Tstaff because you have better dps using ur sky fists? I doubt it.

Then to here and point that DA is why we all have nice sky dibs? Now that's funny. Not like VD brought anything to the party, like many pets, DA idol camp dibs. Get the fuck outa here if you think that lil loot pinata could have been had by DA alone. Do you really think your guild would have survived that long if we didn't team up? Do you think you merged with Doz because DA was on the up and up? lol
It's sad to see the greediness of Doz has rubbed off you this quickly.

[Walk]

is that one of the methods bluebies practice to contest pixels? how low can you go bro's

[Massive Marc]

is that one of the methods bluebies practice to contest pixels? how low can you go bro's

I can finally get behind something you say.

[Abysis]

I happen to be in fusion but im not bias, but also i wasn't in the groups so since its in R&F i can add my 2 cents.

It sounds to me like it WASN'T a NBG group and he refused to roll initially demanding that he got it, so everyone rolled and loot was divided but then later on down the line he rolled a 99 after he was out of group and elsewhere.

That sum it up led?

[Teeroyoyort]

You guys were former guildies. So i can see you sticking up for your friend. But to not consider someone in the group who can use the item and then dip out quickly is BS. I willing to put plat on it, that he left that group within 5min of that item dropping. More than enough time to consider late rollers. Corpses are given 7+min timers right?

[Walk]

I happen to be in fusion but im not bias, but also i wasn't in the groups so since its in R&F i can add my 2 cents.

It sounds to me like it WASN'T a NBG group and he refused to roll initially demanding that he got it, so everyone rolled and loot was divided but then later on down the line he rolled a 99 after he was out of group and elsewhere.

That sum it up led?

post logs or stfu

[Koota]

Based on your screenshot, you rolled for an item WELL AFTER it was distributed. For what ever reason you did not roll, or at least roll a 99 until way later down the road. Hence the chat taking place in the screenshot, and where the roll appears.

Personally, I've never known this server to be a NBG situation. Unless its NO DROP or is predetermined beforehand with friends or guild mates. Sounds like you felt entitled to it, simply because it was an item you could use. And because the rules didn't cater to that, this shit storm began.

At the end of the day, that group was a greed rolling group. Period. And when time came that an item dropped YOU really wanted, it suddenly wasn't ok?

That's what I'm gathering from this.

[quido]

What about like GEBs? I have gotten several GEBs on this server and sold most of them. If I join some rando efreeti group, whether for experience or for loot, I expect a roll on anything that drops. The exception to this is if I'm with some pals/guildies in which case most people sort of agree to let the people who have never gotten GEBs get items before those who have. Need before greed is often assumed when it shouldn't be.

Let's say I'm on my enchanter in a random Crypt group and a JBB drops. Do I automatically get this because my main is a shaman? I need it! No, sorry. It goes to whomever rolls the highest. Often "need" is arguable too. So unless otherwise stated and unanimously agreed upon, it's /random 100 for everybody.

[Lazortag]

This isn't a guild issue; I wish people would stop making it one.

From the facts it's very clear that Ledzepp should give Goragu the cleaver. A screenshot shows him rolling a 99, which by Ledzepp's own rules, makes him the rightful winner of the item. Ledzepp's justification that Goragu wasn't worthy of it because he wasn't a good enough tank, is something I've never seen a precedent for in any group I've ever been in. I'm pretty sure most people here have never used "who is a better player" as a loot system in a PUG. If guilds want to distribute loot that way, that's fine, because officers in a guild can be trusted to make those evaluations about their own members. But for Ledzepp to unilaterally decide that Goragu wasn't good enough with no input from the group, reflects really poorly on him and shows he was willing to abrogate the rules that he himself claims he was upholding.

Moreover, it was wrong of him to roll on an item against another member of the group when Ledzepp couldn't use it. Even if the rules said he could, it was still wrong, despite whether Goragu did the same thing with an item he also wouldn't use. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Salty]

If I join some rando efreeti group, whether for experience or for loot, I expect a roll on anything that drops.

That's how wizards end up with JBBs.

"Derp lets greed all the loot"


If there is a shaman there, give the shm his loot. If there is no shaman, everyone randoms.

When shit drops, it goes to the classes in the group that can use it first, greed second.


The problem comes into play when people are trying to beat a shm at getting their own loot. This should tell you that everyone in the group is a fuckbag and you should probably leave.

[Teeroyoyort]

I'm going to point this out since most of you guys are obviously fucking retarded. It was clearly pointed out that the SK wanted the item (before and after initial rolls). Why would you not wait for him to roll? Do you think he decided to PASS on the item he wanted really bad? Give me a fucking a break.... Things were wrapped up a lil too quickly.

[Salty]

JBB drops. Do I automatically get this because my main is a shaman? I need it! No, sorry. It goes to whomever rolls the highest.

Goes to the shaman first, if no shm then the highest.

Universal.

[Swordsly]

I hack at this game, poorly. I was caught and banned. But it was still funny batphoning DA for a phantom CT!

Fixed

[PureLo]

If that was looted anytime today aka 3/29 then it isn't a server first. I looted one with my group yesterday 3/28 and seeing how camped Karnor's has been since launch i am sure more have dropped.

[quido]

Everyone is a fuckbag, idiot, or jerk until proven otherwise.

[Koota]

Fixed

Close.


I hacked at this game in the past, poorly. I was caught and banned. But it was still funny batphoning DA for a phantom draco!



At least get the facts straight if you're going to try and bash me, bro.

[Walk]

even vztz scum know sharing is careing, need before greed bro's no reason to even try to justify lootwhoreing because its not ok... i mean you pull some shit like that on a pvp server and i wouldnt expect you to last very much longer on that server

[Massive Marc]

Goes to the shaman first, if no shm then the highest.

Universal.

/agree. nuff said.

[Massive Marc]

even vztz scum know sharing is careing, need before greed bro's no reason to even try to justify lootwhoreing because its not ok... i mean you pull some shit like that on a pvp server and i wouldnt expect you to last very much longer on that server

Good to see you guys calming down, and supporting a intelligent conversation.

[Salty]

Good to see you guys calming down, and supporting a intelligent conversation.

This is why you can't have nice things.

[Massive Marc]

This is why you can't have nice things.

I'm starting to think I came into this community to late when all the top players were fed and happy. Now that people are hungry again, shit will probably get out of hand.

[Oogmog]

How is this considered a non PUG group when the tank and healer are both PUGs? More like 4 people from one guild mooching off the necessary classes for KC to continue getting XP. And the houlier than thou attitudes coming from multiple people in this thread are hilarious. To quote something from 1999 .. I know what you all were doing last summer and it was more than just ShowEQ..

[Dagner]

Let's not generalize that all Fusion/DA/Dozekar members are scumbag/idiots/greedy. I'm sure there were many circumstances that lead up to what happened in this group today. I'm sure both parties involved were guilty in some aspect, and in retrospect, I'm sure both people involved would probably have handled it differently if given the chance.

Let's not forget that when the Tranquil Staff on this server dropped, Breaking (transcendence) was in a full Fusion group and we awarded it to him NBG without rolling. For every bad example that comes out on these forums, there are many examples of good and sportsmanlike companionship among members and groups on p99 involving Fusion.

[stonebeard22]

Don't worry even on a bluebie server he is going to have a much harder time finding groups now.

[Pico]

Personally, I've never known this server to be a NBG situation. Unless its NO DROP or is predetermined beforehand with friends or guild mates. Sounds like you felt entitled to it, simply because it was an item you could use. And because the rules didn't cater to that, this shit storm began.


That's funny, because I remember grouping with you at BnB in SolB, and Nox popped with Golden Bracer. You immediately claimed need and looted it. Later on another one dropped, and you again claimed need, but I quickly looted it and said we're rolling. Then you threw a shitfit because you could still equip another one.

NBG can work, /random can work. NBG is easily ruined though by greedy people who will call NBG when it benefits them (like Koota in BnB), but claim /random is how it always is when NBG doesn't benefit them or their guildies (like what happened to Goragu).

Basically, always ask to roll if you're not playing with friends.

[Wizard]

hahah @ tags.

Fusion is such a joke.

[Salty]

.

Let's not forget that when the Tranquil Staff on this server dropped, Breaking (transcendence) was in a full Fusion group and we awarded it to him NBG without rolling. For every bad example that comes out on these forums, there are many examples of good and sportsmanlike companionship among members and groups on p99 involving Fusion.

How is this even brought into the discussion?

Do you seriously have to glorify a moment about a group giving a monk item to a monk?

fuckinglol

[Molitoth]

Let's not generalize that all Fusion/DA/Dozekar members are scumbag/idiots/greedy. I'm sure there were many circumstances that lead up to what happened in this group today. I'm sure both parties involved were guilty in some aspect, and in retrospect, I'm sure both people involved would probably have handled it differently if given the chance.

Let's not forget that when the Tranquil Staff on this server dropped, Breaking (transcendence) was in a full Fusion group and we awarded it to him NBG without rolling. For every bad example that comes out on these forums, there are many examples of good and sportsmanlike companionship among members and groups on p99 involving Fusion.

This.

[Salty]

breaking a pimp too

[Dagner]

How is this even brought into the discussion?

Do you seriously have to glorify a moment about a group giving a monk item to a monk?

fuckinglol

I was simply pointing out, by using an example, that making vast generalizations about Fusion's members based on one incident doesn't mean it is the common way that all their members conduct business.

[casdegere]

Let's say I'm on my enchanter in a random Crypt group and a JBB drops. Do I automatically get this because my main is a shaman? I need it! No, sorry. It goes to whomever rolls the highest. Often "need" is arguable too. So unless otherwise stated and unanimously agreed upon, it's /random 100 for everybody.

No, your Shaman was not in the group. I don't understand the difficulty to understanding NBG. If there is a Shaman in the group and a JBB drops, the Shaman shows what he has or just says he is in need OR he passes because he has something nice or has a JBB. A pass constitutes a full group Random. As an Enchanter I would never roll on a item if I know it is good item for another class and they are in need of it. If a "caster" item drops and there is more than one caster, these casters would random the item or both pass to a full group random. I have found that most people, if this is discussed early on, are pleased with the idea of NBG. There is no arguement or hard feelings and people are genuinely happy to see others get good stuffs. ;)

[Salty]

I was simply pointing out, by using an example, that making vast generalizations about Fusion's members based on one incident doesn't mean it is the common way that all their members conduct business.

But the risk is higher

[Salty]

=) =) =) =) =) =) =) =)

[Massive Marc]

I was simply pointing out, by using an example, that making vast generalizations about Fusion's members based on one incident doesn't mean it is the common way that all their members conduct business.

They aren't basing their generalization based on one incident...

[Walk]

actions speak louder than words

[Hasbinbad]

Lesson:
When grouping with certain people, get a screenshot of them explaining the loot rules. Get a screenshot of you rolling.

As it is, there is too much reasonable doubt right now as to what happened, even though we all know what really went down.

Keep it classy.

[KilyenaMage]

Isn't he like....decked out in gear already!?

[Badmartigan]

Lesson:
When grouping with certain people, get a screenshot of them explaining the loot rules. Get a screenshot of you rolling.

As it is, there is too much reasonable doubt right now as to what happened, even though we all know what really went down.

Keep it classy.

That would be awesome.. having to screenshot loot rules and all the rolls every group.

/sigh .. what have things come to ? ugh..

[Salty]

or you can not group with people in which your percentage of possible ninjas goes up 20%

[Massive Marc]

http://demotivationalblog.com/demotivational/2008/09/ninjas-theyre-everywhere.jpg

[casdegere]

OMG MM where do you find this stuff, lol!

[Seaweedpimp]

http://demotivationalblog.com/demotivational/2008/09/ninjas-theyre-everywhere.jpg

omfg that looks just like me.

Lol sept the huge black eyes brom driinking too much. Wow.

[Chanur]

Another Fusion asshat , I would like to say I'm shocked but let's be honest this is normal for them.

[Massive Marc]

omfg that looks just like me.

Lol sept the huge black eyes brom driinking too much. Wow.

I bet you have the same purse too.

[Seaweedpimp]

Sorry its hard to tell.

Seriously though, wow.

[Smedy]

OMG MM where do you find this stuff, lol!

omg it's so hard to go google.com hit images and type ninjas bro, fuck.

On topic: enable pvp and item loot and he could get his item back the manly way instead or having to go through all of this bullshit

[Salty]

MM is hatin on your purse big slipp.

haters gonna hate

[KilyenaMage]

44/60 2hs vs a 20/39 1hs.

Oggok cleaver > Blade of Abrogation

The Oggok Cleaver is also pretty damned rare if I'm not mistaken...and if there's ever a BOTB, it's probably the #1 weapon for any of the classes that can use it.

[Ledzepp02]

1.) I didn't win the item, so stop calling me a Ninja. I simply picked it up to give to the highest roller before someone ran by and snagged it.

2.) The cleric perfectly understood the rules and accepted that they didn't care about the rolls for anything that dropped (they wanted XP), this SK decided to completely ignore them when we laid them out. He could have EASILY protested early on, instead of when the shit actually dropped.

3.) I was tanking better without him, so "using" him was simply no more than waiting for a tank that was available, which is difficult at 5am PST. The entire group, including the cleric (non-fusion member), wanted him gone within the first 20 minutes. I said eh, just let him fill the last spot until we find a tank, the xp won't be affected too much save for the hybrid penalty.

4.) We were doing this because we wanted people to USE kunark items, not mark them up because its the first few days of kunark. Using a "/rand for anything" rule set seemed the most viable for this. He had a chance to win for selling/using, a few of us had a chance to win and give to someone who could use it and progress us. Thats how the system was, unchanged, for the duration of our time there. It's not fair that someone shows up wanting to change the system for their own benefit.

The point is, the rules WERE THERE, he seemed to accept them up until this item dropped, when he started to play dumb and change our system to NBG for his benefit. Hobby summed it up pretty f'in straightforward. Pay attention to the rules.

Allright guys cya later, i'm gonna go join a group of 18+ people at Fungi for 30 minutes after they've been there for over a day, and demand that the Fungi Tunic that just dropped go to me because I was there, even though the guild group kind of wanted to distribute it to someone who could probably make use of it to progress their guild... fuck that noise, I WANT IT, MEMEMEME. Do the shoes fit yet?

[Dantes]

Apparently the rules were NBG... Unless an extremely rare awesome item drops, then it's "loot that fucker and give it ya guild!"

[Walk]

1.) I didn't win the item, so stop calling me a Ninja. I simply picked it up to give to the highest roller before someone ran by and snagged it.

2.) The cleric perfectly understood the rules and accepted that they didn't care about the rolls for anything that dropped (they wanted XP), this SK decided to completely ignore them when we laid them out. He could have EASILY protested early on, instead of when the shit actually dropped.

3.) I was tanking better without him, so "using" him was simply no more than waiting for a tank that was available, which is difficult at 5am PST. The entire group, including the cleric (non-fusion member), wanted him gone within the first 20 minutes. I said eh, just let him fill the last spot until we find a tank, the xp won't be affected too much save for the hybrid penalty.

4.) We were doing this because we wanted people to USE kunark items, not mark them up because its the first few days of kunark. Using a "/rand for anything" rule set seemed the most viable for this. He had a chance to win for selling/using, a few of us had a chance to win and give to someone who could use it and progress us. Thats how the system was, unchanged, for the duration of our time there. It's not fair that someone shows up wanting to change the system for their own benefit.

The point is, the rules WERE THERE, he seemed to accept them up until this item dropped, when he started to play dumb and change our system to NBG for his benefit. Hobby summed it up pretty f'in straightforward. Pay attention to the rules.

Allright guys cya later, i'm gonna go join a group of 18+ people at Fungi for 30 minutes after they've been there for over a day, and demand that the Fungi Tunic that just dropped go to me because I was there, even though the guild group kind of wanted to distribute it to someone who could probably make use of it to progress their guild... fuck that noise, I WANT IT, MEMEMEME. Do the shoes fit yet?

you were that piece of shit that was trying to ruin my necro big sifilous's immersion on p99 in west commonlands, you are a real piece of work sir, please stop trying to justify youself you were wrong, now why dont u do something productive like make it right?

[Salty]

i'm gonna go join a group of 18+ people at Fungi for 30 minutes after they've been there for over a day, and demand that the Fungi Tunic that just dropped go to me because I was there, even though the guild group kind of wanted to distribute it to someone who could probably make use of it to progress their guild... fuck that noise, I WANT IT, MEMEMEME. Do the shoes fit yet?

Guild dictates rules on raids. How does that correlate to grouping?

[dredge]

Allright guys cya later, i'm gonna go join a group of 18+ people at Fungi for 30 minutes after they've been there for over a day, and demand that the Fungi Tunic that just dropped go to me because I was there, even though the guild group kind of wanted to distribute it to someone who could probably make use of it to progress their guild... fuck that noise, I WANT IT, MEMEMEME. Do the shoes fit yet?[/QUOTE]

God, you just don't get it do you?
It's like your playing a different game then the rest of us, is this how it works in WOW world?

[casdegere]

Guild dictates rules on raids. How does that correlate to grouping?

Whatever makes him sound reasonable and honest, that's what. I guess this cleaver or whatever it is, is worth his reputation.

[Ledzepp02]

Guild dictates rules on raids. How does that correlate to grouping?

The mob in question was pulled from VS's room. Case closed. We were raiding. But seriously, the rules were blatantly obvious immediately after he joined. It's not my fault if he did not question the rules when they were laid out. He chose to ignore them until something for him dropped.

[soup]

1.) I didn't win the item, so stop calling me a Ninja. I simply picked it up to give to the highest roller before someone ran by and snagged it.

2.) The cleric perfectly understood the rules and accepted that they didn't care about the rolls for anything that dropped (they wanted XP), this SK decided to completely ignore them when we laid them out. He could have EASILY protested early on, instead of when the shit actually dropped.

3.) I was tanking better without him, so "using" him was simply no more than waiting for a tank that was available, which is difficult at 5am PST. The entire group, including the cleric (non-fusion member), wanted him gone within the first 20 minutes. I said eh, just let him fill the last spot until we find a tank, the xp won't be affected too much save for the hybrid penalty.

4.) We were doing this because we wanted people to USE kunark items, not mark them up because its the first few days of kunark. Using a "/rand for anything" rule set seemed the most viable for this. He had a chance to win for selling/using, a few of us had a chance to win and give to someone who could use it and progress us. Thats how the system was, unchanged, for the duration of our time there. It's not fair that someone shows up wanting to change the system for their own benefit.

The point is, the rules WERE THERE, he seemed to accept them up until this item dropped, when he started to play dumb and change our system to NBG for his benefit. Hobby summed it up pretty f'in straightforward. Pay attention to the rules.

Allright guys cya later, i'm gonna go join a group of 18+ people at Fungi for 30 minutes after they've been there for over a day, and demand that the Fungi Tunic that just dropped go to me because I was there, even though the guild group kind of wanted to distribute it to someone who could probably make use of it to progress their guild... fuck that noise, I WANT IT, MEMEMEME. Do the shoes fit yet?
Let me know if I understand this correctly:
Item drops, everyone rolls, he does a joke roll at first (which while stupid, in no way is is forfeiting their right to a roll, or did you specify that at the start, incorrect rolls are a forfeit?) and so then a minute later, he rolls the highest roll, but you yourself decided too much time had passed and he was no longer eligible?

That's all that matters. Whether he was a good or bad tank is beyond irrelevant (unless of course the loot rules you laid out beforehand specified performance based loot awards)?

[Teeroyoyort]

1.) I didn't win the item, so stop calling me a Ninja. I simply picked it up to give to the highest roller before someone ran by and snagged it.

2.) The cleric perfectly understood the rules and accepted that they didn't care about the rolls for anything that dropped (they wanted XP), this SK decided to completely ignore them when we laid them out. He could have EASILY protested early on, instead of when the shit actually dropped.

3.) I was tanking better without him, so "using" him was simply no more than waiting for a tank that was available, which is difficult at 5am PST. The entire group, including the cleric (non-fusion member), wanted him gone within the first 20 minutes. I said eh, just let him fill the last spot until we find a tank, the xp won't be affected too much save for the hybrid penalty.

4.) We were doing this because we wanted people to USE kunark items, not mark them up because its the first few days of kunark. Using a "/rand for anything" rule set seemed the most viable for this. He had a chance to win for selling/using, a few of us had a chance to win and give to someone who could use it and progress us. Thats how the system was, unchanged, for the duration of our time there. It's not fair that someone shows up wanting to change the system for their own benefit.

The point is, the rules WERE THERE, he seemed to accept them up until this item dropped, when he started to play dumb and change our system to NBG for his benefit. Hobby summed it up pretty f'in straightforward. Pay attention to the rules.

Allright guys cya later, i'm gonna go join a group of 18+ people at Fungi for 30 minutes after they've been there for over a day, and demand that the Fungi Tunic that just dropped go to me because I was there, even though the guild group kind of wanted to distribute it to someone who could probably make use of it to progress their guild... fuck that noise, I WANT IT, MEMEMEME. Do the shoes fit yet?

1) You're full of shit, someone didn't get the item that won the roll.
2) He still won the roll, therefore followed by you're fucking rules.
3) Who the fuck cares about the tanking ability you fucking douchebag.
4) I'm pretty sure Goragu wanted to use that item you fucking piece of shit.

P.S. No one gives a shit you camping fungi tunic.

[Chanur]

I was simply pointing out, by using an example, that making vast generalizations about Fusion's members based on one incident doesn't mean it is the common way that all their members conduct business.

You idiots are guilded with these guys so you must condone it.

[Ledzepp02]

Let me know if I understand this correctly:
Item drops, everyone rolls, he does a joke roll at first (which while stupid, in no way is is forfeiting their right to a roll, or did you specify that at the start, incorrect rolls are a forfeit?) and so then a minute later, he rolls the highest roll, but you yourself decided too much time had passed and he was no longer eligible?

That's all that matters. Whether he was a good or bad tank is beyond irrelevant (unless of course the loot rules you laid out beforehand specified performance based loot awards)?

He rolled over 10 minutes later, outside of group, when the cleric told me to get a replacement or boot him because he was just sitting in the corner ninja afk'ing or not doing anything when we had 3+ mobs in camp.

[Teeroyoyort]

Reposting this because I think Led missed it.

I'm going to point this out since most of you guys are obviously fucking retarded. It was clearly pointed out that the SK wanted the item (before and after initial rolls). Why would you not wait for him to roll? Do you think he decided to PASS on the item he wanted really bad? Give me a fucking a break.... Things were wrapped up a lil too quickly.

[casdegere]

The mob in question was pulled from VS's room. Case closed. We were raiding. But seriously, the rules were blatantly obvious immediately after he joined. It's not my fault if he did not question the rules when they were laid out. He chose to ignore them until something for him dropped.

Not case closed and I highly doubt any rules were disclosed to him. But i see how you are. Invite him because we need him but if the "item" drops its yours? Trash talk him as a poor tank as if that is a reasoning to not allow him a roll. Cite the fact that a raid is nearby yet you invited him to a group, clearly not in "the raid". So color it however you like it is still wrong.

[Walk]

He rolled over 10 minutes later, outside of group, when the cleric told me to get a replacement or boot him because he was just sitting in the corner ninja afk'ing or not doing anything when we had 3+ mobs in camp.

ok since your not gunna stop trying to justify yourself, do us all a favor and post the logs so we can pull out our detective notebooks and get to the bottom of this

[soup]

He rolled over 10 minutes later, outside of group, when the cleric told me to get a replacement or boot him because he was just sitting in the corner ninja afk'ing or not doing anything when we had 3+ mobs in camp.

Well, he's a dumb ass then, but the right thing to do still would be give it to him. Ten minutes isn't exactly some massive amount of time, especially in EQ terms. That's barely even longer than a mob's corpse decay timer.

My two cents

[Massive Marc]

So, are you going to give him the Cleaver ?

[Walk]

So, are you going to give him the Cleaver ?

he probably already distributed it to one of his guildies

[Swordsly]

I cant believe Ledzepp is actually trying to defend himself here. LOL. Try and save some face and admit you were wrong already. Everyone here already thinks you are an asshat, lets not confirm it for them.

As far as broad generalizations towards fusion. These generalizations aren't being based on just 1 event. Need I point out DA's two raiding suspensions passed out for using MQ to track raid mobs? Or the feeble attempts at disavowing any knowledge of the hackers and their activities on the spot? They even going as far as saying they don't condone cheating or cheaters, yet as soon as the offender gets his ban lifted he is welcomed with open arms right back into the guild. DA knew about the hacks, they didn't care. Fusion, by association with DA, is full of cunts and hackers. If you dont like these things about your guild, i would recommend trying Harbingers of Thule or something like it, because your affiliation with Fusion has blacklisted you from the other legit guilds on the server.

[Kazowi]

lol @ blue drama. at least on red this is all avoided by slaying said person

[Daldolma]

So he pouted because it wasn't awarded to him NBG, then eventually rolled, won the roll, and still didn't get the item? Forget whether he should have gotten the item NBG or not. He should have gotten it because he won the damn roll. It doesn't make a lick of difference if you booted him or if he threw a hissy fit in the mean time. If he was in the group when it dropped, only rolled 0-100 once, and he rolled a 99, it's a legitimate roll. There's no reason it shouldn't count. Assuming nobody rolled a 100, it's his item.

The NBG argument is a red herring.

[Swordsly]

Case closed..

LOL, damn ledzepp, all these demands to end the discussion. Afraid people will think you are a giant douche? Let me alleviate your concerns, we do...we all do. Behavior like this, while praised in Fusion, is frowned upon by everyone else.

[Terpuntine]

This thread is Lulz, keep it up!...


http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/4920/dramallama.jpg (http://img859.imageshack.us/i/dramallama.jpg/)

[Gorgetrapper]

Fusion, a combined guild of degenerates.

[Swordsly]

Fusion, the premier guild of degenerates.

Fixed that for ya.

[Ledzepp02]

If it'll make you all happy, i'll find out who has the damn Cleaver (keep in mind im not a god damn dictator here, it was all decided by the group this way), and give it to him on condition:

He makes a serious apology in a new thread about how he completely ignored the rules we discussed, as well as for rolling a 99 in some random location that I didn't even fucking see because I was pulling, he was out of group, and had left the area. If that 99 somehow counts, then fine. On that condition i'll go find out who has the cleaver and we can slow motion run through a field of dandelions while I award him said cleaver.

Seems fair enough for the shit storm he caused by participating in the rules until he wanted an item.

[impact]

cant we all just get along

no really my 2 cents can be summed up in one word: karma.
if you dont believe in karma you arent using it correctly. Since i started on this server i have been extremely giving person even though no one ever helped me out. It didnt deter me. I kept giving. and then it all came back x10 and I was handed a shitload of plat for free by a person who said i had been the only true friend they had on this server. be a douche like LZ and it will come back eventually.

"things come back cus they never really left.." - KRS-ONE

[StinkyGreenBud]

lol @ blue drama. at least on red this is all avoided by slaying said person

Elitist....you are so much cooler dude.

[Bruno]

The point is we were rolling on everything up until and including when he joined. We rolled on countless items while he was in the group. Somehow he did not pay attention to, or he simply chose to ignore that fact. Most likely when he was semi-afk leaving me to tank mobs and get them off our healer constantly. Him and the cleric were both non-guildies. The cleric stated that they did not care about our rules, they only wanted XP.

Before both of them we had a full guild group for 6-7 hours, where all of this was perfectly clear. We kept getting items, we kept giving them to people who needed them outside of group. This continued while both of them were in group. Even on a 1hb mace I could've used, he rolled against me and won because those were per the group rules. At that point i knew the rules were obvious.

The axe dropped and he said "wtf" when we were about to roll, I explained them again in detail and he flipped shit. We all rolled, someone got a 75 and he decided to roll /ran 100 100. I figured oh shit, I guess he doesn't really care about it, because thats not a serious roll.

10 minutes later, after he's pissed off about our rules that he should have obviously known by now, as he won a mace using them, he rolls 99 randomly. After the loots been distributed based on a roll, a second roll later never typically counts tbh.

He's just pissed that a guild group had certain rules for an entire day in effect, and he chose not to pay attention. EVERYTHING was /random'd throughout the day.

Not sure how much else I need to explain, he simply ignored the circumstances and raged on us for not following "standard pug procedure" when it was never a pug.

Again, Good Night

I think that was my favorite part :D.

[Foxx]

lol @ blue drama. at least on red this is all avoided by slaying said person

QFT

[Kassel]

So are you going to give him back the cleaver or risk the uthgaard 7 day Kunark vacation? - Sk won the greed roll and was the only need. There is no possible aurgument for not giving him the weapon.

[Massive Marc]

If it'll make you all happy, i'll find out who has the damn Cleaver (keep in mind im not a god damn dictator here, it was all decided by the group this way), and give it to him on condition:

He makes a serious apology in a new thread about how he completely ignored the rules we discussed, as well as for rolling a 99 in some random location that I didn't even fucking see because I was pulling, he was out of group, and had left the area. If that 99 somehow counts, then fine. On that condition i'll go find out who has the cleaver and we can slow motion run through a field of dandelions while I award him said cleaver.

Seems fair enough for the shit storm he caused by participating in the rules until he wanted an item.

You have a rare chance to do prove your not a asshole, and that there was a complete break down of communication in your group, even if you thought there was a understanding. IMO do what you gotta do to make things right.

[Kassel]

I typed that post before LZ said he would give it back !

Thataboy !

[Ledzepp02]

So are you going to give him back the cleaver or risk the uthgaard 7 day Kunark vacation? - Sk won the greed roll and was the only need. There is no possible aurgument for not giving him the weapon.

Read above, because the only proof I see is someone screenshotting him rolling a 99 somewhere in the zone, that I searched for by did not find. I'll find who has it and give it to him if he apologizes for what was mentioned in the previous post

[YendorLootmonkey]

Why would you use a 8/28, or even a 7/21 weap when you have a 20/39 sky sword that we got for you?

Led,

For what it's worth, I have respect for every single person who showed up to those countless VD/DA raids, for hours on end, coordinating between two guilds to pull off what we were able to pull off. I had the chance to interact with players from your guild like Aadill, Murof, Earthguard, Shaere, and Daltheb, whom I normally wouldn't have even had a chance to talk to. Aside from your own personal views of the "relationship", I would like to think that most of the members of DA viewed our partnership as two guilds that needed each other in order to accomplish what we were able to do together, and welcomed us making up half of our 70+ raid force.

I can't speak for the rest of my guild, but I would never in a million years tell Aadill "So how do you like that Windstriker we got for you?" and I'm pretty sure none of them would ever think to say that either. It serves as a symbol of the time both of our guilds sacrificed in Sky for hours at a time, helping each other jointly achieve goals.

So have some goddamn respect.

Secondly, that Blade of Abrogation can drop off Sky Isle 1 trash. I know you appear to view us as DA's charity case, but I'm pretty sure even you would concede that we were capable of clearing Isle 1 without the "benevolent generosity and assistance of your guild."

To be honest, no one can make you do anything in regards to this scenario. But you have an opportunity to take the higher road here and restore your reputation at the expense of some pixels. Such opportunities in this game are few and far between.

To the VD members involved, the ball's in his court... nothing more can be gained by beating our heads against a brick wall here. Send me a /tell, I'll help you get another cleaver when we have an opportunity, Goragu.

[Ledzepp02]

I typed that post before LZ said he would give it back !

Thataboy !

nevermind! late post on a late post, hehe

[Bruno]

It's pretty obvious that he flipped shit because he wanted to NBG. Where his refusal to roll for the item wasted time. I'm guessing in the process of him flipping out, he was removed from the group. That's when he rolled for the item and actually won it.

Case closed..

[YendorLootmonkey]

UPDATE: Thank you, Led... I am humbled by your willingness to correct and resolve the situation. Apparently I spent too long typing. ;) Let me know if I can help you get another cleaver.

Even though no one wants rangers in groups. :P

[Swordsly]

If it'll make you all happy, i'll find out who has the damn Cleaver (keep in mind im not a god damn dictator here, it was all decided by the group this way), and give it to him on condition:

He makes a serious apology in a new thread about how he completely ignored the rules we discussed, as well as for rolling a 99 in some random location that I didn't even fucking see because I was pulling, he was out of group, and had left the area. If that 99 somehow counts, then fine. On that condition i'll go find out who has the cleaver and we can slow motion run through a field of dandelions while I award him said cleaver.

Seems fair enough for the shit storm he caused by participating in the rules until he wanted an item.

You cant make this go away like that. This is hardly an admission of guilt, this at best is a feeble attempt at avoidance. Its not the fact that he gets the item after all or not. the point here is you are incredibly selfish prick that tried to pull some shit and ninja an item for a guildie who wasnt even there. On what planet is that acceptable?

As far as an apology, you have to be out of your fucking mind. He should apologize to you for putting your shit to the street and letting everyone know that you have and will try and pull this shit? He did nothing wrong, he shouldnt apologize to anyone. Actually i think we are way past apologies. Opinions have been formed and blacklists updated. Enjoy your label fuckwad.

[Foxx]

To the VD members involved, the ball's in his court.

basketball happened

[Ledzepp02]

Led,

For what it's worth, I have respect for every single person who showed up to those countless VD/DA raids, for hours on end, coordinating between two guilds to pull off what we were able to pull off. I had the chance to interact with players from your guild like Aadill, Murof, Earthguard, Shaere, and Daltheb, whom I normally wouldn't have even had a chance to talk to. Aside from your own personal views of the "relationship", I would like to think that most of the members of DA viewed our partnership as two guilds that needed each other in order to accomplish what we were able to do together, and welcomed us making up half of our 70+ raid force.

I can't speak for the rest of my guild, but I would never in a million years tell Aadill "So how do you like that Windstriker we got for you?" and I'm pretty sure none of them would ever think to say that either. It serves as a symbol of the time both of our guilds sacrificed in Sky for hours at a time, helping each other jointly achieve goals.

So have some goddamn respect.

Secondly, that Blade of Abrogation can drop off Sky Isle 1 trash. I know you appear to view us as DA's charity case, but I'm pretty sure even you would concede that we were capable of clearing Isle 1 without the "benevolent generosity and assistance of your guild."

To be honest, no one can make you do anything in regards to this scenario. But you have an opportunity to take the higher road here and restore your reputation at the expense of some pixels. Such opportunities in this game are few and far between.

To the VD members involved, the ball's in his court... nothing more can be gained by beating our heads against a brick wall here. Send me a /tell, I'll help you get another cleaver when we have an opportunity, Goragu.

After sleeping it off, I apologize for that bullshit i'm now re-reading that I posted about sky loots. It was 8am, I was trying to go to bed, people sent me tells during the dispute egging me on to mention sky loots, and I was delusional enough to do so.

I'm very sorry for that part of it. I guess I was just mad that I kept trying to tell him the sword would hold agro better than the 8/28 weap from kaesora, which seemed to be doing nothing and forcing me to tank.

I'll find the cleaver for him if he agrees to what I stated.

[purist]

There's no "if"s about it, you're the one who should be apologizing. Not him. Give him the cleaver already, without any of your petty conditions attached.

[Ledzepp02]

It's pretty obvious that he flipped shit because he wanted to NBG. Where his refusal to roll for the item wasted time. I'm guessing in the process of him flipping out, he was removed from the group. That's when he rolled for the item and actually won it.

Case closed..

Yes Bruno, that's what I am now coming to the conclusion on. I did not find the roll however, and no one mentioned it but him. I assumed it was rolled somewhere else in the zone. But if plenty of people saw it, and only 1 roll, then i'm happy to find it and give it up as long as he simply says sorry for ignoring what the group agreed upon.

[Chanur]

If it'll make you all happy, i'll find out who has the damn Cleaver (keep in mind im not a god damn dictator here, it was all decided by the group this way), and give it to him on condition:

He makes a serious apology in a new thread about how he completely ignored the rules we discussed, as well as for rolling a 99 in some random location that I didn't even fucking see because I was pulling, he was out of group, and had left the area. If that 99 somehow counts, then fine. On that condition i'll go find out who has the cleaver and we can slow motion run through a field of dandelions while I award him said cleaver.

Seems fair enough for the shit storm he caused by participating in the rules until he wanted an item.

You are starting to do the right thing while still being a giant douche at the same time. Bravo!

[YendorLootmonkey]

After sleeping it off, I apologize for that bullshit i'm now re-reading that I posted about sky loots. It was 8am, I was trying to go to bed, people sent me tells during the dispute egging me on to mention sky loots, and I was delusional enough to do so.

I'm very sorry for that part of it.

Apology accepted, I am sorry I felt compelled to call you out on it. Thank you for trying to resolve this!

[Foxx]

YAAAAY now that the problem is resolved, we can get back to holding each others hands through the ruins of k00nark on our journey to slay the bigger dragons !

[Terpuntine]

If it'll make you all happy, i'll find out who has the damn Cleaver (keep in mind im not a god damn dictator here, it was all decided by the group this way), and give it to him on condition:

He makes a serious apology in a new thread about how he completely ignored the rules we discussed, as well as for rolling a 99 in some random location that I didn't even fucking see because I was pulling, he was out of group, and had left the area. If that 99 somehow counts, then fine. On that condition i'll go find out who has the cleaver and we can slow motion run through a field of dandelions while I award him said cleaver.

Seems fair enough for the shit storm he caused by participating in the rules until he wanted an item.

Alloy me to fix:

Yes, i am a greedy ninja looting gear thieving piece of shit. I didn't realise ppl had evidence of my ninja via screenshots. I will return the item to its proper recipient on one condition. Make a thread publicly asking the GM's to not ban me or for my guild to kick my ass out. Comply to these terms and the weapon will be given to you. I also have a slight case of downs IRL so please show mercy.

[Bruno]

Yes Bruno, that's what I am now coming to the conclusion on. I did not find the roll however, and no one mentioned it but him. I assumed it was rolled somewhere else in the zone. But if plenty of people saw it, and only 1 roll, then i'm happy to find it and give it up as long as he simply says sorry for ignoring what the group agreed upon.

It would be the proper thing to do. And I'm sure he can set some pride aside for a new toy. No GMs need to get involved and we all learned a valuable lesson.

[Massive Marc]

I'll find the cleaver for him if he agrees to what I stated.

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[Ledzepp02]

Not really Chanur. People just have to realize that not every single group they join is going to be a NBG. And it was clear we weren't from the get-go. The difference is we were rolling on them to disperse them amongst people simply so that they would not be sold, but utilized. How was I supposed to know he wasn't going to sell it and go gear up an iksar or something? Keep in mind I was NOT the sole person with this mindset in the zone.

Since he will legitimately use it, and he legitimately rolled a 99 that multiple people saw (unfortunately I did not) then I concede on those notions. Just apologize for ignoring the fact that we weren't operating under typical loot rules, and it's yours.

After some sleep, a shower, and a lot of coffee, i'm finally starting to see why this shit went down the way it did haha. Anyways, that's all I ask from you.

[soup]

Continuing to berate someone after they attempt to do right and rectify a rectifiable situation is just as bad as ninja'ing. Hell, I might even say it's worse.

[Swordsly]

After some sleep, a shower, and a lot of coffee, i'm finally starting to see why this shit went down the way it did haha. Anyways, that's all I ask from you.

http://winace.courageunfettered.com/pics/backpedaling.gif
You gotta hit 88mph backwards to go back in time and change it. Id get to it.

[Ledzepp02]

http://winace.courageunfettered.com/pics/backpedaling.gif
You gotta hit 88mph backwards to go back in time and change it. Id get to it.

unfortunately that unicycle is moving forwards ;) Appreciate the support bud.

[purist]

I like how he's qualifying righting his own fuck-up by insisting on a written apology from the guy he stole an item from to give to a guildie. Bro, you're the one who fucked up. So give the man his item, fucking tool.

[Ledzepp02]

I didn't steal anything dude. I was simply the only one who spoke up to defend and clarify the groups rules. Key word group, not my own decision here guys.

The rules were in effect for nearly 11 hours. THAT is the only reason I want an apology, for suddenly changing the rules up and proceeding to start these shenanigans. HOWEVER, I now have conceded to the fact that the 99 roll was a single, legitimate roll, that I failed to find when I scrolled up in my chat window.

The majority have ruled it legitimate, so I will obviously abide by that, and it was my mistake for not seeing the roll at all, over 10 minutes later. It's as simple as that, next time I can find both the person with the Axe and him online, I will award him it personally and apologize to his face for the confusion.

[Chanur]

Continuing to berate someone after they attempt to do right and rectify a rectifiable situation is just as bad as ninja'ing. Hell, I might even say it's worse.

It's a shame you stopped licking windows long enough to post this.

[Harrison]

http://winace.courageunfettered.com/pics/backpedaling.gif
You gotta hit 88mph backwards to go back in time and change it. Id get to it.

[Terpuntine]

I didn't steal anything dude. I was simply the only one who spoke up to defend and clarify the groups rules. Key word group, not my own decision here guys.

The rules were in effect for nearly 11 hours. THAT is the only reason I want an apology, for suddenly changing the rules up and proceeding to start these shenanigans. HOWEVER, I now have conceded to the fact that the 99 roll was a single, legitimate roll, that I failed to find when I scrolled up in my chat window.

The majority have ruled it legitimate, so I will obviously abide by that, and it was my mistake for not seeing the roll at all, over 10 minutes later. It's as simple as that, next time I can find both the person with the Axe and him online, I will award him it personally and apologize to his face for the confusion.

Pathetic

[Gorgetrapper]

So, as a monk, why are you looting if your intention wasn't to just steal it from the group and just give it to a guildie from the get-go?

[Seaweedpimp]

Lol peeps cant read.

You guys really need to give zepp a break.

[soup]

It's a shame you stopped licking windows long enough to post this.

Who the fuck are you and why the fuck are you making personal attacks against me? :confused:

You realize I was calling him out along with everyone else at first, right? And now that he is trying to rectify the situation, I pointed out that someone continuing to berate him would make that someone a raging tool.

[Kassel]

soup did you play on thunderlord?

[Ledzepp02]

So, as a monk, why are you looting if your intention wasn't to just steal it from the group and just give it to a guildie from the get-go?

First item I looted of note, save ES gloves from waaaay earlier in the day. In fact I might have only rolled on three or four items the entire time. The item had been on the corpse a while, and people constantly run through LCY. The item was valueable so I held onto it until the rolls were over. This is not a new concept with droppable items.

Anyways, as soon as I see him and the person with the axe, we can both apologize while I hand it over (slow motion through a field of dandelions of course, it's the only way.)

[Salty]

I was calling him out along with everyone else

Playing basketball like a team player.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

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[soup]

soup did you play on thunderlord?

Nope.

Well, don't think so anyway. Had a period of time where I did lots of account trading, but pretty sure I was never there.

[Gibcarver]

Thank you for coming around zep. I got some sleep too and thought about what you said and I admit that from your position the view must be different.

I had a bunch of stuff opened to quote from the previous pages but I will swallow my pride and keep quiet on them in favor of closing the thread. I did not not ever see loot rules discussed.


I'm very sorry for that part of it.

Thank you for swallowing your pride and taking the first steps in making things right.

I am sorry for the confusion.

-Gor

[Loke]

Wow, it never fails to amaze me when I encounter situations such as this one that could have been easily avoided with a little communication.

Working under the assumption that the loot rules were determined prior to the OP joining and upon joining he was informed of the loot rules, then he certainly is to blame for ensuring that he understood them. However, when the dispute arose (i.e. him wanting NBG, and you wanting /random) a discussion should have taken place prior to proceeding with awarding anyone loot. To simply ignore a group member and carry on is completely unacceptable. You invited him into your group and as such, you have a responsibility to him as a group member. If he wasn't working out in the group as you claim you should have parted ways with him.

If I had been in your situation, what I would have done was stop pulls and explain to him that there were predetermined loot rules. If he still had a problem with it, I would ask the group vote on it (i.e. you should win 5 to 1). At this point I would explain to him that the group had out-voted him, and that we would be rolling on the item, his failure to roll would be taken as him forfeiting his opportunity at the loot as we had reached a point where discussion was useless and the group must carry on. After awarding the loot, and offering him his fair chance at the loot, I would politely ask him to leave the group because it was clearly not working out.

The problem here seems to be that no one was communicating and there were a lot of ridiculous assumptions being thrown around. It isn't very hard to settle most issues in a democratic manner, but you do have to make some effort.

Also, TURN YOUR LOG FILE ON! My log file dates back to like March of 2010 because I keep it on at all times for situations like this. While logs aren't quite screenshots, they are definitely better than nothing and can present what happened in an objective manner.

[Loke]

Ok, so I wrote that last post while I was watching something on TV and just noticed I made a few minor mistakes. I'm going to assuming you guys can figure out what I was trying to say! Sorry.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Anyways, as soon as I see him and the person with the axe, we can both apologize while I hand it over (slow motion through a field of dandelions of course, it's the only way.)

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[guineapig]

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[h0tr0d (shaere)]

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[Walk]

Alloy me to fix:

Yes, i am a greedy ninja looting gear thieving piece of shit. I didn't realise ppl had evidence of my ninja via screenshots. I will return the item to its proper recipient on one condition. Make a thread publicly asking the GM's to not ban me or for my guild to kick my ass out. Comply to these terms and the weapon will be given to you. I also have a slight case of downs IRL so please show mercy.

o man thats some funnies bro

[jtt25c]

I was in zone when this happened, and the OP is correct. It did go down like this. Ledzepp looked foolish, and we all had a good laugh at him (except of course Goragu). Now let this be said. I was in a 17 hour long Tranquill Staff camp with all Fusion players pretty much. It dropped at hour 17. No monks in group. No questions asked we 0-100 rolled and a Mage from the guild poison won. He had obviously very little money (dude was using a oracle robe and a crude stein). I was upset of course after being there for 17 hours (the mage had been there for about 1.5 or so), but fair is fair and the guy is probably the happiest mage on the server atm. Im saying this because not all Fusion players are like Ledzep. I was with Koota, Earthguard, Akyra, and many other Fusion players last night and they were all respectful and fun to group with. What they choose to do, or not do, to ledzep should be a inter guild matter. I withhold my opinions on it since I am not a member of their guild. Going forward if you want to have a fair shake at loot avoid players like Ledzep, and seek out paragons of equality such as the people listed above. I do not think it is quite fair to condemn the entire guild though.

Misterbob/Brosef

[Gorgetrapper]

I was in zone when this happened, and the OP is correct. It did go down like this. Ledzepp looked foolish, and we all had a good laugh at him (except of course Goragu). Now let this be said. I was in a 17 hour long Tranquill Staff camp with all Fusion players pretty much. It dropped at hour 17. No monks in group. No questions asked we 0-100 rolled and a Mage from the guild poison won. He had obviously very little money (dude was using a oracle robe and a crude stein). I was upset of course after being there for 17 hours (the mage had been there for about 1.5 or so), but fair is fair and the guy is probably the happiest mage on the server atm. Im saying this because not all Fusion players are like Ledzep. I was with Koota, Earthguard, Akyra, and many other Fusion players last night and they were all respectful and fun to group with. What they choose to do, or not do, to ledzep should be a inter guild matter. I withhold my opinions on it since I am not a member of their guild. Going forward if you want to have a fair shake at loot avoid players like Ledzep, and seek out paragons of equality such as the people listed above. I do not think it is quite fair to condemn the entire guild though.

Misterbob/Brosef

It's easier to condemn the entire guild, because it's the combination of a few shit guilds. Hence the name Fusion. Don't be a part of a guild with a tarnished reputation if you don't want to be looked under the same light.

[Dabron]

Thank you for coming around zep. I got some sleep too and thought about what you said and I admit that from your position the view must be different.

I had a bunch of stuff opened to quote from the previous pages but I will swallow my pride and keep quiet on them in favor of closing the thread. I did not not ever see loot rules discussed.


Thank you for swallowing your pride and taking the first steps in making things right.

I am sorry for the confusion.

-Gor

You still went to RnF to QQ

That screenshot is at zoneout and 20mins later.
How you managed to make KC a hard zone to tank is beyond me.
Tabbing mobs is your friend and Dotting multiple mobs for aggro is fucking retarded.

Grats on the axe it still wont save you from shitty agro.
Grats to whoever picks this up in EC within the week.

The cleric was right, you are a little bitch.

[AnonSubHuman]

Just to put some things in perspective, Ledzepp isn't the worst example of this sort of thing. I just talked to a Wizard who was kind enough to give me a free port for a Corpse run last night. When he logged in today, all of his tradeable items including his Golden Efreeti Boots were unequipped. So someone hacked someones account on A FREE EMULATION SERVER just to take the shit off their back. That's arguably worse than ninja looting drops.

[Plumb]

Haha, its always the monks and bards, whats with that? I am a paladin, and once had a monk attempt to have me roll on a Mith 2-h, that was an upgrade. Don't bother rolling in these situations, just leave, /ignore, and chalk it up to Obama!

[Gibcarver]

You still went to RnF to QQ

That screenshot is at zoneout and 20mins later.
How you managed to make KC a hard zone to tank is beyond me.
Tabbing mobs is your friend and Dotting multiple mobs for aggro is fucking retarded.

Grats on the axe it still wont save you from shitty agro.
Grats to whoever picks this up in EC within the week.

The cleric was right, you are a little bitch.

I thought that I had a screenshot at the time it happened but maybe I pressed the * instead. luckily it was still in my chat window(at the very top I was lucky). The roll was witnessed by 20 people

What cleric was right? no one from the group except led have posted here, I am sure they did not want to get involved. NO complaints were made about my tanking in the 2 hours i was there, no one died, no one even came close until someone kept pulling after the cleric repeatedly said he was oom.

[Gibcarver]

Lezepp delivered the oggok cleaver in question to me today in sebilis. Thank you sir for making things right.

[purist]

Crime doesn't pay.

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[bakkily]

now this is epic shit!

[KilyenaMage]

lol @ blue drama. at least on red this is all avoided by slaying said person

And your entire guild slaying them over and over until they either break down and kill themselves IRL or leave the server.

[KilyenaMage]

^LedZepp you REALL look like an asshole here. The VZTZ trolls are making more sense than you.

[Littlegyno]

And your entire guild slaying them over and over until they either break down and kill themselves IRL or leave the server.

You sound like a giant pussy or some whiny cunt bitch.

Probably giant pussy because there's no females on the internet (only fat ugly trolls with no penises.)

[KilyenaMage]

we can slow motion run through a field of dandelions while I award him said cleaver.



Sounds like another video from big Smedy........please make it so.

[KilyenaMage]

You sound like a giant pussy or some whiny cunt bitch.

Probably giant pussy because there's no females on the internet (only fat ugly trolls with no penises.)

Nobody cares what the dual boxing hacker has to say. Move along please.

[Bruno]

After I saw the rl picture of Rexx with the shotgun in his hands I never took him seriously again.

[xshayla701]

I was in zone when this happened, and the OP is correct. It did go down like this. Ledzepp looked foolish, and we all had a good laugh at him (except of course Goragu). Now let this be said. I was in a 17 hour long Tranquill Staff camp with all Fusion players pretty much. It dropped at hour 17. No monks in group. No questions asked we 0-100 rolled and a Mage from the guild poison won. He had obviously very little money (dude was using a oracle robe and a crude stein). I was upset of course after being there for 17 hours (the mage had been there for about 1.5 or so), but fair is fair and the guy is probably the happiest mage on the server atm. Im saying this because not all Fusion players are like Ledzep. I was with Koota, Earthguard, Akyra, and many other Fusion players last night and they were all respectful and fun to group with. What they choose to do, or not do, to ledzep should be a inter guild matter. I withhold my opinions on it since I am not a member of their guild. Going forward if you want to have a fair shake at loot avoid players like Ledzep, and seek out paragons of equality such as the people listed above. I do not think it is quite fair to condemn the entire guild though.

Misterbob/Brosef

WAKE UP BROSEF

[KilyenaMage]

The difference is we were rolling on them to disperse them amongst people simply so that they would not be sold, but utilized.

I'm sorry....but isn't this basically the definition of NEED before GREED!?!?

[KilyenaMage]

After I saw the rl picture of Rexx with the shotgun in his hands I never took him seriously again.

Wait...so there was a point when you DID take him seriously?

[Bruno]

Wait...so there was a point when you DID take him seriously?

No, not really. It just sounded good.

[KilyenaMage]

No, not really. It just sounded good.

K just wanted to clear that up. Wouldn't big Rexx to start feeling important again or anything.

[Littlegyno]

Nobody cares what the dual boxing hacker has to say. Move along please.

What? I've never even played P99 scrub. I ike the amount of retarded nigshit that comes out of your mouth.

[Salty]

box prophet has spoken

[Salty]

and his lady angel tweene

[Walk]

vztz scum did alot for this thread, show some appreciation

[KilyenaMage]

What? I've never even played P99 scrub. I ike the amount of retarded nigshit that comes out of your mouth.

I'm referring to your time on VZTZ, you ignorant fool.

[KilyenaMage]

vztz scum did alot for this thread, show some appreciation

Hardly makes up for all the trolling you morons have done here in the past week.

How's NO-Box Lyfe?

[Salty]

acking

[Earthguard]

I was in zone when this happened, and the OP is correct. It did go down like this. Ledzepp looked foolish, and we all had a good laugh at him (except of course Goragu). Now let this be said. I was in a 17 hour long Tranquill Staff camp with all Fusion players pretty much. It dropped at hour 17. No monks in group. No questions asked we 0-100 rolled and a Mage from the guild poison won. He had obviously very little money (dude was using a oracle robe and a crude stein). I was upset of course after being there for 17 hours (the mage had been there for about 1.5 or so), but fair is fair and the guy is probably the happiest mage on the server atm. Im saying this because not all Fusion players are like Ledzep. I was with Koota, Earthguard, Akyra, and many other Fusion players last night and they were all respectful and fun to group with. What they choose to do, or not do, to ledzep should be a inter guild matter. I withhold my opinions on it since I am not a member of their guild. Going forward if you want to have a fair shake at loot avoid players like Ledzep, and seek out paragons of equality such as the people listed above. I do not think it is quite fair to condemn the entire guild though.

Misterbob/Brosef

I appreciate the kind words Brosef. You're right, we put a LOT of time into that camp, and yes even though it was tough to see happen, the T-Staff did not go to a longterm member of the group, or anyone from our guilds. That being said, you showed a great attitude of fairness, as the other members of the group, and in the end I'm happy to see (I don't want to butcher his name, I know it started with a B, very nice guy) the mage get the item, as he could definitely use it to get himself some gear.

We'll be at it again I'm sure, and hopefully you and I can roll over a 22 after a 12+ hour grind ~

[Ongbak]

That's how wizards end up with JBBs.

"Derp lets greed all the loot"


If there is a shaman there, give the shm his loot. If there is no shaman, everyone randoms.

When shit drops, it goes to the classes in the group that can use it first, greed second.


The problem comes into play when people are trying to beat a shm at getting their own loot. This should tell you that everyone in the group is a fuckbag and you should probably leave.

[Walk]

Hardly makes up for all the trolling you morons have done here in the past week.

How's NO-Box Lyfe?

i know this is asking alot but could you please refrain from name calling you might hurt someone feelings, i have nothing to make up and before you quote me and call me troll i would like to see some A+ evidence to backup your acusations. please stop trying to hurt my reputation i am nothing but good for the p99/red99 community

[Littlegyno]

I'm referring to your time on VZTZ, you ignorant fool.

Lol, 2 boxing was legal on VZTZ, and I'm not a hacker.

I'm not sure why you're mad fatty but it's not flattering.

[Bombfist]

Are you shitting me, threads like this existed when i was 13 on live, i'm pretty sure nobody here is peter pan, get over it.

If by some chance you do happen to be 13, everything's going to be ok, tinkerbell and all of the lost boys will get your loot back from the terrible captain hook.

If only this were basketball, ruining my fucking immersion.

[KilyenaMage]

Lol, 2 boxing was legal on VZTZ, and I'm not a hacker.

I'm not sure why you're mad fatty but it's not flattering.

Pal you started talking shit to me for no reason at all. I remember you from my time on VZTZ, and you **MOST DEFINATELY** used MQ.

I was soloing one time in Karnor and you and your box both appeared right on top of me out of nowhere -- I was a chanter and had see invis on, so don't give me that "I was invis" line.

We'll see if/when Red99 comes around; I'm guessing you'll be one of the first-week bans.

[KilyenaMage]

^Oh and it will likely be no boxing...so you won't be able to run around in full raid buffs killing people 8 levels lower than you all the time.

[Bombfist]

**MOST DEFINATELY**

Gyno, make this your sig, now.

[KilyenaMage]

Gyno, make this your sig, now.

I'd be honored.

[Bombfist]

^Oh and it will likely be no boxing...so you won't be able to run around in full raid buffs killing people 8 levels lower than you all the time.

I don't really think buffing will be an issue with no boxing, considering a population of anything above 100 people, getting full raid buffs wouldn't be an issue. Everquest definitely doesn't have 50 buffing classes.

[Kuriin]

I was in zone when this happened, and the OP is correct. It did go down like this. Ledzepp looked foolish, and we all had a good laugh at him (except of course Goragu). Now let this be said. I was in a 17 hour long Tranquill Staff camp with all Fusion players pretty much. It dropped at hour 17. No monks in group. No questions asked we 0-100 rolled and a Mage from the guild poison won. He had obviously very little money (dude was using a oracle robe and a crude stein). I was upset of course after being there for 17 hours (the mage had been there for about 1.5 or so), but fair is fair and the guy is probably the happiest mage on the server atm. Im saying this because not all Fusion players are like Ledzep. I was with Koota, Earthguard, Akyra, and many other Fusion players last night and they were all respectful and fun to group with. What they choose to do, or not do, to ledzep should be a inter guild matter. I withhold my opinions on it since I am not a member of their guild. Going forward if you want to have a fair shake at loot avoid players like Ledzep, and seek out paragons of equality such as the people listed above. I do not think it is quite fair to condemn the entire guild though.

Misterbob/Brosef

Gawd, that is so fucked up. Can't believe people play like this when there are people in the group that can actually use it. You got screwed.

[Salty]

I don't really think buffing will be an issue with no boxing, considering a population of anything above 100 people, getting full raid buffs wouldn't be an issue. Everquest definitely doesn't have 50 buffing classes.

All pvp heroes are well off on precious pixelated buffs when big salty goes cleric.

Salty bashcomet gonna make haters suicide irl

[Bombfist]

Impossible salty, you can't box, so you can't have buffs.

Impossible.

[Pico]

Gawd, that is so fucked up. Can't believe people play like this when there are people in the group that can actually use it. You got screwed.

I don't understand this mentality. The mage was even said to be poor as shit. Plenty of monks, and especially those that belong to the guild of the other players at that camp, who can afford to drop thousands of plat on an item like that. The rich monk gets the uber staff, the mage makes plat on an item they helped attain that he can use to get himself some gear.

The way it happened was 100% fair and the people WHO LOST the roll even agree with it. Good on Fusion for being fair about it and giving the mage a shot at it.

[ownrage]

Thank you R&F for delivering!

/endthread

[Beastro]

Man that back peddling was good sight to see.

12 years later and pixels on a PvE EMU server are this important.

Thank God I clicked on a Red server after I installed and patched up 11 years ago.

Are you shitting me, threads like this existed when i was 13 on live, i'm pretty sure nobody here is peter pan, get over it.

It's called Classic for a reason sire~

[naez]

All pvp heroes are well off on precious pixelated buffs when big salty goes cleric.

Salty bashcomet gonna make haters suicide irl

dont talk that way you're making me want to join up with youse fish bait ppl or whatever the zerg-guild-thats-not-heresy-and-full-of-the-server-trash-guild is

[Terpuntine]

Terp + Bombfist for big things

[Chanur]

dont talk that way you're making me want to join up with youse fish bait ppl or whatever the zerg-guild-thats-not-heresy-and-full-of-the-server-trash-guild is

Hey not every guild can have GMs for lackys (Heresy ).

[Asher]

Gawd, that is so fucked up. Can't believe people play like this when there are people in the group that can actually use it. You got screwed.

Ever do a PUG in Efreeti? I have watched more than 1 set of boots go to a Warrior/monk when there were casters/priests that could have used.

I am not sure exactly how all this went down but this is exactly why it is important to make sure everyone is clear on loot rules. From my experiences so far on this server no one does NBG. It is all full greed randoming.

Asher

[Knuckle]

sounds right fucking bluebie snakes

[Kuriin]

Ever do a PUG in Efreeti? I have watched more than 1 set of boots go to a Warrior/monk when there were casters/priests that could have used.

I am not sure exactly how all this went down but this is exactly why it is important to make sure everyone is clear on loot rules. From my experiences so far on this server no one does NBG. It is all full greed randoming.

Asher


I always steered clear of those types of groups. Someone being poor in a group doesn't mean that it's all right for one of the first few Tranquil Staffs to go to a mage instead of the ONLY MONK in that group. You're right, though...does sound like it is all greed randoming.

[Salty]

From my experiences so far on this server no one does NBG. It is all full greed randoming.

PVE community is a bunch of scheming faggots.

Old news.

[Salty]

Some dude helped me out on a hunter in TT for convenience when it was at 63%.

He demanded why I looted that shit and didn't let him roll.


scheme less

[soup]

I always steered clear of those types of groups. Someone being poor in a group doesn't mean that it's all right for one of the first few Tranquil Staffs to go to a mage instead of the ONLY MONK in that group. You're right, though...does sound like it is all greed randoming.

I don't get why it's considered more greedy for everyone who contributed to acquiring a high value item to get a chance at it and it's less greedy to demand the item be awarded to you simply because you can equip it.

[Salty]

I don't get why it's considered more greedy for everyone who contributed to acquiring a high value item to get a chance at it and it's less greedy to demand the item be awarded to you simply because you can equip it.

this is why you can't have nice things

[Cars]

I still dont know how I feel about it really. For most groups I have been in if an item of lower to medium value drops and a person in the group can actually use it then it usually will go to that person, but really that is not always the case. For items of high value or the items that can make you "set for life" like a T staff I think anyone can NEED that as it allows them to also get any item that they would want. I think with server rares that wont drop forever, greed.

[Walk]

I still dont know how I feel about it really. For most groups I have been in if an item of lower to medium value drops and a person in the group can actually use it then it usually will go to that person, but really that is not always the case. For items of high value or the items that can make you "set for life" like a T staff I think anyone can NEED that as it allows them to also get any item that they would want. I think with server rares that wont drop forever, greed.

i think you all should read the play nice policy n shit, even us vztz scum have more class that that

[Kuriin]

I don't get why it's considered more greedy for everyone who contributed to acquiring a high value item to get a chance at it and it's less greedy to demand the item be awarded to you simply because you can equip it.

So, as a mage, can I roll for the Cloak of Flames? I contributed to acquiring it. why don't I get a chance to roll on it?

[Cars]

So, as a mage, can I roll for the Cloak of Flames? I contributed to acquiring it. why don't I get a chance to roll on it?

Thats what i mean, I dont really know how I feel about it. But to be honest i would never be butt hurt if someone that actually needed it got it. I think if I was in that group and the person sold it way later for like 500k I would feel the pain. Its still just a game though and its not like I can use it so its pretty easy for me to get over it

[Cars]

i think you all should read the play nice policy n shit, even us vztz scum have more class that that

In the name of judging the book by the cover, I totally figured you guys would be like pirahnas for loot. Also I have never played a red server outside of casual dicking around but wouldn't it suck to have that same monk come and whoop your ass with an item you just gave him?

[soup]

So, as a mage, can I roll for the Cloak of Flames? I contributed to acquiring it. why don't I get a chance to roll on it?

Obviously there is a significant difference between a PUG or semi PUG with random players and doing a raid with people you play with frequently.

[Kuriin]

I think the thing that sucks the most is that the monk was in the group (IIRC?) reportedly for about 16 hours before the TStaff dropped. You are correct in that the mage did help in acquiring the staff because he/she was actually present. Doesn't change the fact, though. But, as numerous people have stated already, always declare loot rules when someone new comes in.

[Kuriin]

Obviously there is a significant difference between a PUG or semi PUG with random players and doing a raid with people you play with frequently.

Oh, you think so? I'm going based on your logic. Don't get butthurt if you don't want to think it that way.

[Kuriin]

BTW, pugs can raid too.

[soup]

Oh, you think so? I'm going based on your logic. Don't get butthurt if you don't want to think it that way.

No, you filled in the blanks with whatever you wanted me to be saying.

[Cars]

I think the thing that sucks the most is that the monk was in the group (IIRC?) reportedly for about 16 hours before the TStaff dropped. You are correct in that the mage did help in acquiring the staff because he/she was actually present. Doesn't change the fact, though. But, as numerous people have stated already, always declare loot rules when someone new comes in.

lol are you talking to me? I didnt know that this actually happened, I was speaking figuratively. Obviously though every situation will be different and should be handled accordingly. Communication is key I guess

[Walk]

on vztz i use to just give tstaffs and oggok cleavers away to people who could use them.... true story i will admit i traded a few but a majority i handed out

[soup]

BTW, pugs can raid too.

And if it's a PUG raid I'd have no problem with everyone rolling on the CoF, even if I was the only melee in the raid. Greedy would be me saying "I'm the only melee, give it to me!" when selling that item could pretty much keep someone set on the server for the rest of their time here.