How Blood Guard does Lodi

[Droog007]

You keep saying this, but who doesn't double check their target bar before they engage a mob? It's not like it's some strenuous time consuming process. Especially if you see people "hanging" around the exact spot the mob is. Nobody's believing that.

This whole ordeal happened over 20 seconds, and 7 seconds of that is a gap between tash landing and mez starting to cast. I play an enchanter and I don't see why you'd wait 7 seconds to start casting mez after tash, if you wanted to pull it towards you Allure has a 6 second cast time.

I'd have to talk to my wife again to account for every second of that scene playing out. I was over with the turtle. She told me that she went to her spot where she can LOS Grizlin at max tash range, and he popped during her Bedlam cast. Knowing her, she then mouseclicked him and then mouseclicked her spell gem, and didn't look at the fucking target bar for more than a fraction of a second. You can't expect her to KNOW she doesn't have FTE from that vantage. It was only after they started crowing about it that she realized they must have tagged him as soon as he popped. As I've repeatedly stated - this was a completely unexpected turn of events. We didn't think we NEEDED FTE. We were waiting for that mob to spawn - our instinct was that we had a legitimate claim on it as long as we got to it quickly.

Wasn't going to post this but fuck it. To keep your anonymity since you had been kind enough to keep everyone involved anonymous until now, I had already redacted the names and quite frankly don't feel like going through and finding the convo again in the logs.

[Sun Oct 08 05:37:07 2017] Sirken says, '<Shaman>, its not against the rules for them to engage a mob. if you wanted the gnoll you should have charmed it before it was attacked'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:28 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'wasn't possible. They attacked as soon as it respawned'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:36 2017] <Shaman> says, 'OK.... but they didn't come here for Grizlin - they came here for Lodi'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:47 2017] Sirken says, 'OK but they engaged Griz before you did'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:53 2017] Sirken says, 'which means its theirs'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:57 2017] Sirken says, 'which means you dont touch it'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:09 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'I understand'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:27 2017] You say, 'As mentioned, it was the only legal course we had to get a chance at lodi.'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:31 2017] Sirken says, 'and <Shaman>, do you also understand?'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:39 2017] <Shaman> says, 'Yes, I guess I do'

Douche move on my part? Okay, I'll admit to how you and others can view it that way but don't get your feelings so hurt because it was still a smart one. The correct move for you would have been to drop Griz or not charm him at all. Adapt and get the lodi kill. I didn't expect when we decided to make this play that you would actually charm ks him anyway therefore having to petition wasn't what I wanted to do and wasn't part of our strategy.

I was not however going to allow you to steal Griz from us to use him anyway. We don't have to tell you the truth about what we planned to do with Griz and obviously you realized what was happening anyway. In fact telling you totally negates the point of it being a strategy to get lodi. She admits openly to the GM it wasn't possible for her to tag Griz as we were on him the moment he respawned.

The fact that you keep calling us terrorists is fucking hilarious. Still working to get the salt out apparently. I hate that you feel so personally attacked over this as that wasn't my intention and didn't realize your feelings could be hurt so easily.

If I had waited and you got the kill and petitioned, what do you think would happen? Temp ban is possible but we had a player perma banned for a similar situation. When Sirken responded immediately the first thing in my mind was "Oh fuck, I really hope i'm not about to get these two banned". You can believe that or not. I don't really care.

Again with the lord of all strategies ... hehe. OK. I'm glad you at least can admit it's douchey.

Also, read the words. Sirken said you should have had it charmed before they got to it. Without using puppet strings, that was NOT POSSIBLE. That's all she admitted to.

I don't feel personally attacked. I think you would do this shit to your own grandmother. Being disgusted is not the same thing as being hurt.

So yeah, I didn't really mean waiting until the mob was dead and THEN petitioning. Christ. I meant that we would have a conversation when I wasn't busy and then you could DECIDE if you still wanted to petition. You fired that shit off the second Grizlin was charmed, didn't ya?

[orangemang]

I'd have to talk to my wife again to account for every second of that scene playing out. I was over with the turtle. She told me that she went to her spot where she can LOS Grizlin at max tash range, and he popped during her Bedlam cast. Knowing her, she then mouseclicked him and then mouseclicked her spell gem, and didn't look at the fucking target bar for more than a fraction of a second. You can't expect her to KNOW she doesn't have FTE from that vantage. It was only after they started crowing about it that she realized they must have tagged him as soon as he popped. As I've repeatedly stated - this was a completely unexpected turn of events. We didn't think we NEEDED FTE. We were waiting for that mob to spawn - our instinct was that we had a legitimate claim on it as long as we got to it quickly.



Again with the lord of all strategies ... hehe. OK. I'm glad you at least can admit it's douchey.

Also, read the words. Sirken said you should have had it charmed before they got to it. Without using puppet strings, that was NOT POSSIBLE. That's all she admitted to.

I don't feel personally attacked. I think you would do this shit to your own grandmother. Being disgusted is not the same thing as being hurt.

So yeah, I didn't really mean waiting until the mob was dead and THEN petitioning. Christ. I meant that we would have a conversation when I wasn't busy and then you could DECIDE if you still wanted to petition. You fired that shit off the second Grizlin was charmed, didn't ya?

If she were still alive, I probably would do it to her. Both sets of grandparents are dead, Dad is dead. You should instead go after my mom and how I'd fuck that bitch over since she's the only family I have left alive. I wouldn't have outplayed her though, I would have dispelled lodi on that cunt and eaten the ban for it.

[gkmarino]

Love Scotch ale also... I'll look for it, assuming they distribute.
Devil's Canyon Brewery

[mattydef]

If she were still alive, I probably would do it to her. Both sets of grandparents are dead, Dad is dead. You should instead go after my mom and how I'd fuck that bitch over since she's the only family I have left alive. I wouldn't have outplayed her though, I would have dispelled lodi on that cunt and eaten the ban for it.

This guy is on the verge of a major meltdown. Who would have thought this brilliant Everquest badass would have a soft spot for dear ol' grandma.

[skarlorn]

orangemang is terrible

[orangemang]

This guy is on the verge of a major meltdown. Who would have thought this brilliant Everquest badass would have a soft spot for dear ol' grandma.

You're inability to comprehend my statement is mind boggling. :confused:

[Pokesan]

You're inability to comprehend my statement is mind boggling. :confused:

looks like you said you'd step over your own kin for pixels

[orangemang]

looks like you said you'd step over your own kin for pixels

That's exactly what I said. Somehow it was interpreted as I have a soft spot for my grandma. Also, forgive the grammar in that last one. Some of us actually work and our attention is split between the joy of this post and the bullshit our clients make us do.

[skarlorn]

sorry you find it difficult to multi task, maybe if it's so hard you should focus on your work, which must be suffering similarly

[orangemang]

orangemang is terrible

I thought this was rnf where everyone is terrible?

[orangemang]

sorry you find it difficult to multi task, maybe if it's so hard you should focus on your work, which must be suffering similarly

It becomes a bit much sometimes. I can only fondle so many balls at once. I only have 2 hands and a mouth to put them in after all.

[skarlorn]

valid replies on both accounts, i concede to orangemang.

[Pokesan]

That's exactly what I said. Somehow it was interpreted as I have a soft spot for my grandma. Also, forgive the grammar in that last one. Some of us actually work and our attention is split between the joy of this post and the bullshit our clients make us do.

well that's an awful thing to say

go to your room

[orangemang]

valid replies on both accounts, i concede to orangemang.

From what I understand this is the highest honor I could have ever hoped to achieve here. Hopefully I can continue to live up to the standard I've set for myself but I doubt it. I'll disappoint you soon enough.

[PL_Barton]

Quick don't let it die.

[Maner]

I appreciate your take on this, and I know that I have to abide by the staff's ruling even if I think it's wrong. But, please explain how I broke rules.

We were waiting for Grizlin to spawn (kinda the definition of camping). We were in the zone before BG (kinda gives us the edge on a dispute). We engaged the mob shortly after it spawned (the definition of maintaining a camp).

Can't claim more than one mob as a camp in outside zones and you were already kiting Lodi which was obviously your camp...

[gkmarino]

Quick don't let it die.
/em grabs a giant water cooler full of gatorade with two hands and raises it above his head :D

[orangemang]

Quick don't let it die.

I'm trying harder than a thai hooker pretending to be a woman to keep it alive.

[Manasana2]

#keepthethreadalive

[Maschenny]

Mana actually got next to nothing for all the work he put into AG. That narrative is untrue.

[Droog007]

Can't claim more than one mob as a camp in outside zones and you were already kiting Lodi which was obviously your camp...

Ahh, but we were done camping Lodi for the time being. They were more than welcome to the Lodi camp ;)

[Droog007]

But you can't expect me to turn over the named that had just spawned mid-kill ... surely

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Ahh, but we were done camping Lodi for the time being. They were more than welcome to the Lodi camp ;)

So has AG kicked this slow adult yet?

[sereal]

looks like you said you'd step over your own kin for pixels

:eek:

[Droog007]

So has AG kicked this slow adult yet?

I don't think you've done your homework here... you're not fooling anyone.

Anyway, I FTE'd Lodi ... my partner was free to camp any mob she wished.

[gkmarino]

I don't think you've done your homework here... you're not fooling anyone.

Anyway, I FTE'd Lodi ... my partner was free to camp any mob she wished.
First rule of husband and wife.. don't ever group together.

[Heebs13]

First rule of husband and wife.. don't ever group together.

That's not true at all.

[Mistle]

The AG on p99 are fighting over Lodi belts.

The AG who moved to a better place are getting shrouds from Ventani.

Lol this server.

[Droog007]

The AG on p99 are fighting over Lodi belts.

I don't think that's fair. I'm working at bagging Lodis because I want to get a belt and I don't do EC.

I'm fighting for great justice. Some AG have voiced support, despite the perils of RNF.

[Xaanka]

holy shit people still need loot from lodi?

[deezy]

Show up late to find Lodizal engaged and in the process of being debuffed.
Correctly guess that the SHM/ENC duo intends to to charm Grizlin Bloodfang.
Pretend to be "camping" Grizlin Bloodfang, even though you've just arrived in the zone and Grizlin is currently dead.
When Enchanter tashes and charms Grizlin moments after spawning, start telling lies like, "Hey I was killing that! - that's totally why we're here!"
Petition the staff for a KS on Grizlin Bloodfang
When staff arrives moments later, say ridiculous things like, "Well, taking the gnoll off the table was the ONLY THING WE COULD DO! - It was the ONLY choice left for us!!"
After staff despawns the nearly dead Lodizal, run to the spawn point when you see "Lodizal engages a sea walrus!", like, "OMG CHRISTMAS!" You friggin idiots...
After staff basically says everyone did a wrong thing, say once again, "it was the only legal course we had to get a chance at lodi."


How about this: Camp the damn mob. Do your own work. When you find someone beat you to the punch, wait at a respectable distance while they take their chance or MOVE THE FUCK ON. Dicks moves are dick moves, "legal" or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_mining

[Maschenny]

holy shit people still need loot from lodi?

People still loot fine steel, i think you can stop being surprised. I doubt anyone is ashamed of looting lodi.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

This is the first moment that ENC realizes what they were doing. She could not see that they started meleeing it until after tash landed and Grizlin closed some of the distance between them. It's only NOW that she realizes she did not have "FTE" on Grizlin (as crazy as it sounds to even need that)



Lol you are so full of shit. I think it's super respectable too how you threw your wife under the bus multiple times here.

[Beastagoog]

BROS

We need more logs and secret teamspeak recordings.
Also someone needs to fucking name drop some GMs
and confirmed Skype interactions.

This is Lodi after all, dat syck regen belt and syck shield BROS.

[branamil]

Principia Lodetica

A treatise and theory on motivations and analysis on Lodi Engagement

Page 30

[orangemang]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_mining

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_mining

[ZiggyTheMuss]

[Sun Oct 08 05:37:07 2017] Sirken says, '<Shaman>, its not against the rules for them to engage a mob. if you wanted the gnoll you should have charmed it before it was attacked'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:28 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'wasn't possible. They attacked as soon as it respawned'

[Beastagoog]

[Sun Oct 08 05:37:07 2017] Sirken says, '<Shaman>, its not against the rules for them to engage a mob. if you wanted the gnoll you should have charmed it before it was attacked'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:28 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'wasn't possible. They attacked as soon as it respawned'

WOOT GM NAMED DROPPED A FEW POSTS LATER. IN LOGS TOO.

CONFIRMED.

[Sadiki]

People still loot fine steel, i think you can stop being surprised. I doubt anyone is ashamed of looting lodi.
I'm ashamed of looting anything on P99, because it validates that I log on it. If the mob is Lodi it's so much worse.

[Beastagoog]

Imagine going to your families yearly get together (perhaps turkey celebration day) and your auntie or grandma asks what it is you do with your life these days and you have to explain to her that you play petition quest on a free to play emulated everquest server of an 18 year old game.

Lol.

[Droog007]

Ziggy, if you're really interested in what happened, I've explained it all perfectly well. Stop acting like you've discovered something new. Go back and read.

[orangemang]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjok_657OfWAhVi54MKHU4hAcUQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdreamicus.com%2Fsalt.html&psig=AOvVaw0Kt_bMB_TaTV_SwgUut_FA&ust=1507786464229241

[Droog007]

My wife did all the bad things, and then said things that made her look guilty. I'm here defending her.

[orangemang]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjok_657OfWAhVi54MKHU4hAcUQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdreamicus.com%2Fsalt.html&psig=AOvVaw0Kt_bMB_TaTV_SwgUut_FA&ust=1507786464229241

Well that image link didn't work. Excuse me while I go drink some bleach.

[orangemang]

My wife did all the bad things, and then said things that made her look guilty. I'm here defending her.

You came here with this. You're the reason she's even having to be defended.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Ziggy, if you're really interested in what happened, I've explained it all perfectly well. Stop acting like you've discovered something new. Go back and read.

You did explain, yes. Your explanations are blatant lies and bus rolling your wife. You are not as clever as you seem to think you are, little pasty man from rural Kansas.

[Droog007]

That's true. But the guy who thinks blackface is funny is saying I'm throwing her under the bus, which simply isn't accurate... and he's going back over shit that's been covered, some I'm very cross with him.

[Droog007]

100% truth, fuckface. Scout's honor.

[Mead]

Imagine going to your families yearly get together (perhaps turkey celebration day) and your auntie or grandma asks what it is you do with your life these days and you have to explain to her that you play petition quest on a free to play emulated everquest server of an 18 year old game.

Lol.

Grandma gets proud when I tell her I’m currently providing online counseling and support to autistic kids with gaming addictions.

[Dreenk317]

100% truth, fuckface. Scout's honor.

You've contradicted yourself and tried to "un-admit" things. So forgive me if I don't believe everything you've said is 100% truth.

And @Skarlorn, I never said "I wash my hands of this".

Droog007 did however.



I think I'm done with this now. I'm tired. I wanted the full RNF experience and I think I did OK.

See you all around.

Maybe you got us confused.

He also said this:
According to me, the ENC had no idea that the BG dudes were going to melee tag the mob. She only saw that they were meleeing it AFTER HER TASH HAD LANDED. Come ON, man. Really tired of explaining shit to you

He also posted this:


ENC still does not know what the people in Grizlin's tent plan to do. She told me afterwards that she thought they probably planned to pre-emptively charm it. She can't see melee animations from this distance, and any movement in the HP bar was not noticeable and/or she wasn't even looking at it. Why would she?
ENC had begun to cast Mesmerize, as that is typically how she gains control of a mob that she is planning to [re]charm. NOW she sees that people are trying to kill her intended pet, so she ducks.
Grizlin has taken visible damage now, but she has no reason to believe that they beat her to the punch, so she continues with her plan.
ENC alerts me by voice that someone was fucking with Grizlin while she was trying to charm it.
This is the first moment that ENC realizes what they were doing. She could not see that they started meleeing it until after tash landed and Grizlin closed some of the distance between them. It's only NOW that she realizes she did not have "FTE" on Grizlin (as crazy as it sounds to even need that)


You do realize everything you say, even within the same post, contradicts everything you say right?
Your first point says that she both didn't know what they were doing and thought she knew what they were doing.
Your second point contradicts the third because you say she ducked her mez because she realized people were killing her target. Your third point claims that you see the mob taking damage and yet have no reason to think that she's been beaten to the punch? The mob was literally being punched at this moment...
Your fourth point basically admits to KS'ing via charm, and contradicts the third point claim of having no idea of she was beaten to the punch.
Your fifth point doesn't help you either. I'm sorry but if a mob gets tashed by you and heads AWAY from you, you clearly did not get FTE as tash pulls a lot of agro and it definitely would not have chased after someone else unless they had purposely agreed said mob BEFORE your tash landed.


So I stand by my claim of you fucking suck at arguing.

And again @skarlorn, I sure as shit have not washed my hands of this. This person is telling complete lies trying to smear another guilds name because he got mad at them. I will not stand for it, especially when he contradicts himself, lies, throws his wife under the bus, claims to be an experienced player and a guild officer. And doesn't know that charming an engaged mob is a KS or that a mob belongs to the first person to engage it regardless of if it has an FTE message? I expect better from AG's members, I've been on this server a long time and never seen this sort of behavior from them.

[Beastagoog]

This whole thread is why people cant have nice things.

This is what sirkens petition que looks like (just flick thru this thread)

[NachtMystium]

2 years+ worth of Lodizal kills and we're supposed to give a shit about this one

https://i.imgur.com/JXW7hNi.gif

[wwoneo]

Grandma gets proud when I tell her I’m currently providing online counseling and support to autistic kids with gaming addictions.

Your grandmother must be more proud of you than mother teresa's, MLK's, Paul newman's, and John's Hopkin's parents combined considering the work youre doing here with the population of people on p99.

[Dreenk317]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352376000321028096/367562786672214036/1xelz7.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352376000321028096/367568056127455233/1xemnc.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352376000321028096/367563824225845249/Popular-Opinion-Polar-Bear.png



Just because this thread has brought me so many laughs and much happiness, i thought i would share a few pictures with you all

[Dreenk317]

https://imgur.com/AvmO5Gq

https://imgur.com/LuY55fB

[Mead]

Your grandmother must be more proud of you than mother teresa's, MLK's, Paul newman's, and John's Hopkin's parents combined considering the work youre doing here with the population of people on p99.

You have no idea

[Manasana2]

https://media.makeameme.org/created/lodi-pop.jpg

[Detoxx]

Lol Lodizal

[Maschenny]

Can't be bothered with writing new material, too busy preparing for luclin

[shimonuh]

I will literally destroy all of you on lodizal if you engaged on red

[Xaanka]

Imagine going to your families yearly get together (perhaps turkey celebration day) and your auntie or grandma asks what it is you do with your life these days and you have to explain to her that you play petition quest on a free to play emulated everquest server of an 18 year old game.

Lol.

[Freakish]

Quoting yourself, yikes

[Droog007]

You've contradicted yourself and tried to "un-admit" things. So forgive me if I don't believe everything you've said is 100% truth.

And @Skarlorn, I never said "I wash my hands of this".

Droog007 did however.



Maybe you got us confused.

He also said this:


He also posted this:


You do realize everything you say, even within the same post, contradicts everything you say right?



So I stand by my claim of you fucking suck at arguing.

And again @skarlorn, I sure as shit have not washed my hands of this. This person is telling complete lies trying to smear another guilds name because he got mad at them. I will not stand for it, especially when he contradicts himself, lies, throws his wife under the bus, claims to be an experienced player and a guild officer. And doesn't know that charming an engaged mob is a KS or that a mob belongs to the first person to engage it regardless of if it has an FTE message? I expect better from AG's members, I've been on this server a long time and never seen this sort of behavior from them.

Good lord man, now you're defending my wife from her evil abusive husband? This is really the last time I'm going to respond to YOU. You have proven over and over again that you are unwilling to look at this through a clear lens. None of my statements are contradictory no matter how you may wish it were so.

I have posted logs as requested, and told you guys hit by hit what was going through our heads and what we saw on our screens to the absolute best of our collective memory. Let's see some logs from the other side that maybe prove Mana's claim that the gnoll was down to 20% when charm landed... someone's telling some tall tales in BG channels, eh?

I have played this game on and off since July of 1999. I was never in a top raiding guild or anything, but I learned a lot of stuff. I do feel pretty knowledgeable about the game of EQ. The way things go down on P99 still surprise me from time to time - I will grant you that.

Now, for the counterpoints:

Your first point says that she both didn't know what they were doing and thought she knew what they were doing.Can you read what you just typed? She didn't know, but she had a theory. Her theory proved incorrect after she got more information that was not immediately available to her in the first few seconds of the mob's lifetime at ~195 units.

Your second point contradicts the third because you say she ducked her mez because she realized people were killing her target. Your third point claims that you see the mob taking damage and yet have no reason to think that she's been beaten to the punch? The mob was literally being punched at this moment... No, man. God. Tash is in, and now she knows people are meleeing it. She makes the wrong choice on the follow-up, and quickly changes course.

Your fourth point basically admits to KS'ing via charm, and contradicts the third point claim of having no idea of she was beaten to the punch.Basically admits... you really want us to self-incriminate... just SO badly. That is not what she's saying. She is letting me know that we're being harassed rather than merely heckled. Tash was the spell she "FTE raced" (lol) with... TASH! NOT CHARM! TASH!

Your fifth point doesn't help you either. I'm sorry but if a mob gets tashed by you and heads AWAY from you, you clearly did not get FTE as tash pulls a lot of agro and it definitely would not have chased after someone else unless they had purposely agreed said mob BEFORE your tash landed.
I never said that the mob ran away from her after tash landed. I thought she said that it ran toward her, but I can't be 100% certain of that. She said it was only after tash landed that she saw melee action. I think maybe she ran toward the mob after tash, which goes toward a previous poster's question about the 7s between tash and mez. None of this proves FTE for either party. From her vantage, she might have had FTE, and she wasn't even thinking she needed it. She was operating under the idea that we had a claim to that mob based on timeliness. Also, aggro is aggro. Distance plays a factor. The order in which chunks of aggro are applied - not so much. You're going to tell me that she should have known immediately who had FTE while considering dozens of factors... who's throwing her under the bus, again?

[Droog007]

Last thing for Dreenk, I promise.

Yeah I did say "she had no idea why the were there" (or close to that). That was hyperbole on my part. You win! Huzzah!

[Droog007]

"See you guys around" was angry Grizluk leaving. Thoughtful, intelligent, socially graceful Grizluk is taking over if anyone has some questions that aren't fucking ridicul... I mean... questions that are genuine.

[Spyder73]

Triple rage post says this is most likely not true...

This is really the last time I'm going to respond to YOU.

[orangemang]

"See you guys around" was angry Grizluk leaving. Thoughtful, intelligent, socially graceful Grizluk is taking over if anyone has some questions that aren't fucking ridicul... I mean... questions that are genuine.

You're in the wrong place for that... Playing since 2009 and you didn't know that you didn't have a claim to a mob you hadn't killed and wasn't up yet? Have you ever king camped bruh?

[orangemang]

The salty tears of AG Shaman are the most delectable dish I've ever experienced.

[Droog007]

Yeah I gotta say I've never heard that one. You can walk into a cleared camp that's been recently vacated and claim it via your presence. The guy that shows up 4 minutes later doesn't get to FTE race you for it... that's stupid.

Also, I started EQ in 1999. I started on P99 in 2012. You've been here 13 months longer, so grats!

[Droog007]

Triple rage post says this is most likely not true...

https://i.imgur.com/rBhumbE.png

Oh we're totally broken up. It's not me, it's him.

[Spyder73]

Just tread carefully or you are going to end up in applesauce25r624's signature

[indiscriminate_hater]

https://i.imgur.com/v1kxESe.png
https://i.imgur.com/bF6Cp.jpg

[orangemang]

https://i.imgur.com/rBhumbE.png

Oh we're totally broken up. It's not me, it's him.

Omg yes. The delicious salt!! I need more!

[Heebs13]

https://i.imgur.com/v1kxESe.png
https://i.imgur.com/bF6Cp.jpg

Like War Games, the only winning move is not to play.

[Dreenk317]

Good lord man, now you're defending my wife from her evil abusive husband? This is really the last time I'm going to respond to YOU. You have proven over and over again that you are unwilling to look at this through a clear lens. None of my statements are contradictory no matter how you may wish it were so.

I have posted logs as requested, and told you guys hit by hit what was going through our heads and what we saw on our screens to the absolute best of our collective memory. Let's see some logs from the other side that maybe prove Mana's claim that the gnoll was down to 20% when charm landed... someone's telling some tall tales in BG channels, eh?

I have played this game on and off since July of 1999. I was never in a top raiding guild or anything, but I learned a lot of stuff. I do feel pretty knowledgeable about the game of EQ. The way things go down on P99 still surprise me from time to time - I will grant you that.

Now, for the counterpoints:

Can you read what you just typed? She didn't know, but she had a theory. Her theory proved incorrect after she got more information that was not immediately available to her in the first few seconds of the mob's lifetime at ~195 units.

No, man. God. Tash is in, and now she knows people are meleeing it. She makes the wrong choice on the follow-up, and quickly changes course.

Basically admits... you really want us to self-incriminate... just SO badly. That is not what she's saying. She is letting me know that we're being harassed rather than merely heckled. Tash was the spell she "FTE raced" (lol) with... TASH! NOT CHARM! TASH!


I never said that the mob ran away from her after tash landed. I thought she said that it ran toward her, but I can't be 100% certain of that. She said it was only after tash landed that she saw melee action. I think maybe she ran toward the mob after tash, which goes toward a previous poster's question about the 7s between tash and mez. None of this proves FTE for either party. From her vantage, she might have had FTE, and she wasn't even thinking she needed it. She was operating under the idea that we had a claim to that mob based on timeliness. Also, aggro is aggro. Distance plays a factor. The order in which chunks of aggro are applied - not so much. You're going to tell me that she should have known immediately who had FTE while considering dozens of factors... who's throwing her under the bus, again?

I'm sorry you don't know what contradict means, and I'll admit, depending on who "them" is in context to your wife's statement about grizzlin running towards "them". Maybe he didn't run away from her after tash, though usually people use "me" to refer themselves, and "them" to refer to a group of other people.
Also, I'm sorry you put me on ignore, because you won't get to see this great little gem.

http://agricultural.dominionsalt.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/SummitAGSaltCoarse-187x300.jpg

Totally real^^

[Manasana2]

Lets all be honest for a second.... this had nothing to do with Lodi it was the fact that near the end of my AG career I called out grizluk on some things before I left. Sure it was out of anger when I did it but its over and done with... the only reason he posted this Hilarious ass thead to try and make BG look bad. this was simply to attack ME.... AG has almost if not EVER posted threads on this RNF.. so tell me is it a coincidence an old AG officer that I know is upset with me decides to make a thread only 2 months into my New guild.... I think not and on top of that AG was the ones that clearly fucked up. then throwing your wife under the bus lol come on griz!!!! you cant change your story many times and expect us all to read it as facts...I know AG pushes to follow and to not break any rules so I do think this was a simple mistake on AGs part... but dont you dare try to dump this on BG like a dick with a RNF you clearly Lost

[Dreenk317]

You're going to tell me that she should have known immediately who had FTE while considering dozens of factors... who's throwing her under the bus, again?

You. You are throwing her under the bus.

[Zemus]

https://i.imgur.com/2g6yFCo.gif

[Dreenk317]

If you really are the guild leader, I can see why your guild is full of scum.

Guild members can run wild when their leader is delusional with a high opinion of themselves.

On a side note, I think it should be brought up that BG shouldn't be acting high and mighty in this thread. Sirken depopped the mob because both parties were in the wrong. Both. My guess is sirken was disgusted with BG going 100% against the play nice policy with scummy instant petitioning tactics.

As i said, way back on like page 4, I think sirken came to a very fair ruling, neither side got anything, then AG came here because they felt that wasnt fair. And you clearly dont know many people from BG, lots of very stand up players there, mana included, just like in AG, but every tree has some bad apples.

[Manasana2]

Delusional of what. I looked at all the data from my members and the GMs responses... BG did not break any rules and the GM even said it... yet AG confirmed broke rules and the Gm despawned it. its a stupid lodi and a joke of a RNF thread there is no High and mighty. you bold BOTH parties like BG had lodi or something... we simply using tactics and strategy to decrease the AG duos success rate. again its not the first person/persons to get FTE its the first to kill it. Do you think AG would have started this thread on any other guild I think not..

[Manasana2]

also we did what the Gms say to do... we tried to talk with the AG people about the KS and got no response for minutes so then the petitons went out... we followed the rules ask a Gm for yourself

[orangemang]

As i said, way back on like page 4, I think sirken came to a very fair ruling, neither side got anything, then AG came here because they felt that wasnt fair. And you clearly dont know many people from BG, lots of very stand up players there, mana included, just like in AG, but every tree has some bad apples.

The GM ruling was fair and I'm the one that petitioned. He responded instantly and the mob was despawned when almost dead. There was no instant petition. The AG duo didn't catch a ban simply because there wasn't evidence the enchanter didn't charm it off us with malicious intent. By OPs own words, she's a noob. However he should have know exactly what was up the moment she told him we were at Grizz's spawn because god know his quest item is garbage.

[Heebs13]

Delusional of what. I looked at all the data from my members and the GMs responses... BG did not break any rules and the GM even said it... yet AG confirmed broke rules and the Gm despawned it. its a stupid lodi and a joke of a RNF thread there is no High and mighty. you bold BOTH parties like BG had lodi or something... we simply using tactics and strategy to decrease the AG duos success rate. again its not the first person/persons to get FTE its the first to kill it. Do you think AG would have started this thread on any other guild I think not..

The fact that you think this is something to be proud of speaks volumes.

[skarlorn]

https://i.imgur.com/2g6yFCo.gif

[orangemang]

Think I quoted the wrong person Dreenk ;)

[Heebs13]

The GM ruling was fair and I'm the one that petitioned. He responded instantly and the mob was despawned when almost dead. There was no instant petition. The AG duo didn't catch a ban simply because there wasn't evidence the enchanter didn't charm it off us with malicious intent. By OPs own words, she's a noob. However he should have know exactly what was up the moment she told him we were at Grizz's spawn because god know his quest item is garbage.

Since the only thing you lost was Grizlin Bloodfang while the other players lost Lodi, I imagine from your point of view it would seem a rather fair ruling, wouldn't it?

[orangemang]

I can't help it...I'm a terrible person by my own admission. This is too much fun.

[orangemang]

Since the only thing you lost was Grizlin Bloodfang while the other players lost Lodi, I imagine from your point of view it would seem a rather fair ruling, wouldn't it?

Not my fault they didn't drop Griz... We lost a chance at Lodi. It ain't over till it's a corpse bruh.

[Heebs13]

Not my fault they didn't drop Griz... We lost a chance at Lodi. It ain't over till it's a corpse bruh.

Lodi was never yours to lose in the first place.

[gkmarino]

https://imgur.com/8iZbubY

[Droog007]

I'll admit that the fact that Manasana is a verified loon probably shaped the idea in my head that BG was probably fucking with us because of some perceived "guild war". But I would have made this thread if it was Kittens. It's a shit move.

[Droog007]

Just woulda had a different subject line. And maybe not one that called out an entire guild. I already apologized for that, so please let it rest.

I'm sure a few of you are OK. Plush seems to have his head pretty square on his shoulders.

[gkmarino]

I'll admit that the fact that Manasana is a verified loon probably shaped the idea in my head that BG was probably fucking with us because of some perceived "guild war". But I would have made this thread if it was Kittens. It's a shit move.Ever cross your mind?
https://imgur.com/04QXh8q

[Droog007]

To put a little perspective on this... I kinda get the whole "cockblock ideal pets" thing now. Hell there was a guy in AG who joined me at a camp once who wanted to try to keep Grizlin dead because there was 1-2 known Lodi-soloing SHM there. He gave up when he realized the spawn time was so short. I thought THAT was kindof a dick move.

But you guys showed up late... Lodi spawned when no one was there to engage, which almost never happens (since I've been watching, which is a number of weeks now). And you were pissy because you thought you were just gonna waltz in and get it.

[Droog007]

I mean, it's shitty... and to avoid a bunch of staff intervention you basically need to put FTE shouts on every 40+ mob in the zone. But if that's really what they want....

[manguard]

shame upon all in this thread, but Griz/Droog a libtard too? yikes... is AM recruiting monks?

[Droog007]

Are we going to have petitions for stall-kiting Ergrez Shortpaw now?

[Droog007]

Just go ahead and say you voted for Trump. I know where you keep your DKP.

[GraveD]

Are there any mentally stable guild leaders on P99?

[sereal]

Are there any mentally stable guild leaders on P99?

seems unlikely for a 18 year old game.

[Lhancelot]

seems unlikely for a 18 year old game.

New games are worse. :(

[Sadiki]

we simply using tactics and strategy to decrease the AG duos success rate
lol

summoning a GM is tactics and strategy

Welcome to RnF Mana, don't ever leave

[orangemang]

Lodi was never yours to lose in the first place.

What part of it isn't over till there is a corpse did you miss?

Could we get some kind of literacy and comprehension test before people are allowed to post here? Give me a few, I'll go make two posts about it and we can have a poll in one of them. :confused:

[orangemang]

lol

summoning a GM is tactics and strategy

Welcome to RnF Mana, don't ever leave

I know I won't. This has turned out to be the most enjoyable way to dick off at work than I've ever discovered.

[Mead]

Every time I refreshed at work there were like 4 new pages here

Someone tell me who won this rnf thread

[Droog007]

I'm pretty sure I did. But I could be biased.

[orangemang]

valid replies on both accounts, i concede to orangemang.

I thought this means I won the internet?

[orangemang]

I'm pretty sure I did. But I could be biased.

The fact you think anyone wins in rnf shows your intelligence level.

[Triiz]

Will this be the new version of the BDA thread? A little under 900 pages to go, I'm confident in you OP.


cut em some slack we were all scrubs once however long ago

Would've just told him if it wasn't preceded by the other 20 pages.

Just tread carefully or you are going to end up in applesauce25r624's signature

Seems like a candidate, probably going to bump Drybones thread about me out of the "New" slot. /cry

[Droog007]

I got sound arguments. I posted logs. Basically everyone just said "liar!".

On the plus side I've now quit smoking circa 2000, and now I've quit Dreenking also. (SWIDT?)

[Droog007]

I totally thought of that in the shower earlier... I had to find a way to work it in ... hahaha

[Dreenk317]

I got sound arguments. I posted logs. Basically everyone just said "liar!".

On the plus side I've now quit smoking circa 2000, and now I've quit Dreenking also. (SWIDT?)

because you lied?

[orangemang]

I got sound arguments. I posted logs. Basically everyone just said "liar!".

On the plus side I've now quit smoking circa 2000, and now I've quit Dreenking also. (SWIDT?)

You've swapped your argument around so much it's made me dizzy. You've gone from blaming her for being a noob and charming anyway to defending her. You've blocked someone because of an rnf thread. (I did block you originally, that lasted all of 30 seconds because I realized how petty it was) You're logs don't disprove anything your wife told the GM about it not being possible to engage Griz. The GM made both of you confirm you understood that it didn't matter why we went after Griz, he was ours and that meant you don't touch him. You lost the second you came to rnf man. As stated, no one wins in rnf.

[orangemang]

You've swapped your argument around so much it's made me dizzy. You've gone from blaming her for being a noob and charming anyway to defending her. You've blocked someone because of an rnf thread. (I did block you originally, that lasted all of 30 seconds because I realized how petty it was) You're logs don't disprove anything your wife told the GM about it not being possible to engage Griz. The GM made both of you confirm you understood that it didn't matter why we went after Griz, he was ours and that meant you don't touch him. You lost the second you came to rnf man. As stated, no one wins in rnf.

your*

[gkmarino]

I totally thought of that in the shower earlier... I had to find a way to work it in ... hahahaWe all have Droog007 thinking about this during his showers now.
:confused:
You no longer are eligible to win anything too creepypasta for me.

[Sadiki]

Not sure if people are still arguing or if they're all friends now but trying to keep the thread going.

[orangemang]

I got sound arguments. I posted logs. Basically everyone just said "liar!".

On the plus side I've now quit smoking circa 2000, and now I've quit Dreenking also. (SWIDT?)

Seriously, congrats on this. That shit isn't an easy thing to do.

[orangemang]

Not sure if people are still arguing or if they're all friends now but trying to keep the thread going.

Honestly, I tried reaching out in a PM to smooth things over, didn't get a response. Now i'm just enjoying watching him continuously try to defend himself.

Granted he may be enjoying keeping it going just as much as I am.

[Mead]

I'm pretty sure I did. But I could be biased.

The fact you think anyone wins in rnf shows your intelligence level.

https://i.imgur.com/fB1DBOo.gif

[sereal]

Out of curiosity have both parties received their lodi pixels?

[Dreenk317]

Out of curiosity have both parties received their lodi pixels?

Sirken said "NO SOUP FOR YOU!!" to both parties involved, and their dreams of turtle shell soup dissolved into the ocean. AG duo needed that eastern medicine mysticism to soothe there butthurt though, so they came to RNF looking for black market salted turtle shell soup.

[Dreenk317]

https://i.imgur.com/Ec4c2Uf.png

https://i.imgur.com/LuY55fB.png

https://i.imgur.com/AvmO5Gq.png

https://i.imgur.com/s1u56sp.png

https://i.imgur.com/gkLBIIA.png


https://i.imgur.com/TfY3fFh.png

[Dreenk317]

would just like to say i didnt make a single one of those memes, they were all sent to me by people that think this shit is hilarious

[Dreenk317]

the salt is real though, not a meme, you can buy that shit, google it

[Legidias]

I would like to cordially thank everyone involved in this thread for distracting me at work for an hour+. Please post more replies so I can read tomorrow.

[joshg]

https://i.imgur.com/Ec4c2Uf.png

https://i.imgur.com/LuY55fB.png

https://i.imgur.com/AvmO5Gq.png

https://i.imgur.com/s1u56sp.png

https://i.imgur.com/gkLBIIA.png


https://i.imgur.com/TfY3fFh.png

https://i.imgur.com/BvKQELs.png

[Droog007]

You've swapped your argument around so much it's made me dizzy. You've gone from blaming her for being a noob and charming anyway to defending her. You've blocked someone because of an rnf thread. (I did block you originally, that lasted all of 30 seconds because I realized how petty it was) You're logs don't disprove anything your wife told the GM about it not being possible to engage Griz. The GM made both of you confirm you understood that it didn't matter why we went after Griz, he was ours and that meant you don't touch him. You lost the second you came to rnf man. As stated, no one wins in rnf.

She was a "noob" to say her mea culpas so readily. Of course we're going to nod obediently when Sirken is standing there. We do admit that charming an engaged mob is bad business, but we do not agree that we had any way to know that the mob was engaged before tash landed. (Getting *really* tired of repeating this part) We assumed that he quickly looked at the encounter log or whatever to verify that you guys tagged it with melee before tash hit. Between that and you smugly saying that we were "charm KSers, tsk tsk" we came to realize how things had gone down. As I explained before, Sirken said "not ok to charm engaged mob"; she replied, " I understand" - NOT, "I admit to knowing it was engaged before my tash and I charmed it anyway".

As she and I have talked about it here and there over the last couple days, our understanding of each other's experience has grown. Maybe that's why my story has evolved a bit, but I never said anything that was untrue to the very best of my knowledge. I'm still not sure what you're talking about, though. Dreenk kept trying to point out my inconsistencies, but there just weren't any - it's like he's literally reading this thread in a funhouse mirror reflection, trying oh so hard to distort things to his advantage and win his first "big case", or something. It was sad, really. I literally feel sorry for this guy because he obviously thinks he's doing such a great job...

Incidentally, I'd like to point out that my wife is not overly discouraged after all this bullshit. Even though she absolutely detests the PvP metagames of EQ that are so grossly manifested on P99, and in times past would have vowed to never log in again. (She always comes back, though). We're gonna get that damned belt, and it's probably going to spend some time on her twink rogue. We will adapt to this new (to us) playing field, even if we think it's stupid.

Can't I be ironic? Of course no one wins this.

[Droog007]

pictures

OK, I lol'd hard. Thanks for that.

[Pokesan]

why is this still going?

ya'll need to hit the showers

[Mead]

there's no way either of you are married by choice

would launch boxing investigation asap

[Droog007]

Wife is amazing. Totally attractive and $116K salary. Likes video games. Thought I was hot in the '90's (sorry babe).

[Mead]

Wife is amazing. Totally attractive and $116K salary. Likes video games. Thought I was hot in the '90's (sorry babe).

I'm sure they appreciate you shortening their investigation for them

See you after suspension ends

[LiQuid]

The make up sex when this thread runs its course is going to be insane

[NachtMystium]

Wife is amazing. Totally attractive and $116K salary. Likes video games. Thought I was hot in the '90's (sorry babe).

Lmfao, when the wife was mentioned at first I was a little skeptical, but now there is no question.

ahahahahahaha. this nibba is saying (sorry babe) to his imaginary dream-wife.

[Droog007]

They always can't believe it... I'm used to this, though. Keep trying guys, maybe still one out there for you.

[Droog007]

INB4 guildmates post a pic from Skype or whatever. That's a serious breach, just don't.

[Dreenk317]

She was a "noob" to say her mea culpas so readily. Of course we're going to nod obediently when Sirken is standing there. We do admit that charming an engaged mob is bad business, but we do not agree that we had any way to know that the mob was engaged before tash landed. (Getting *really* tired of repeating this part) We assumed that he quickly looked at the encounter log or whatever to verify that you guys tagged it with melee before tash hit. Between that and you smugly saying that we were "charm KSers, tsk tsk" we came to realize how things had gone down. As I explained before, Sirken said "not ok to charm engaged mob"; she replied, " I understand" - NOT, "I admit to knowing it was engaged before my tash and I charmed it anyway".

As she and I have talked about it here and there over the last couple days, our understanding of each other's experience has grown. Maybe that's why my story has evolved a bit, but I never said anything that was untrue to the very best of my knowledge. I'm still not sure what you're talking about, though. Dreenk kept trying to point out my inconsistencies, but there just weren't any - it's like he's literally reading this thread in a funhouse mirror reflection, trying oh so hard to distort things to his advantage and win his first "big case", or something. It was sad, really. I literally feel sorry for this guy because he obviously thinks he's doing such a great job...

Incidentally, I'd like to point out that my wife is not overly discouraged after all this bullshit. Even though she absolutely detests the PvP metagames of EQ that are so grossly manifested on P99, and in times past would have vowed to never log in again. (She always comes back, though). We're gonna get that damned belt, and it's probably going to spend some time on her twink rogue. We will adapt to this new (to us) playing field, even if we think it's stupid.

Can't I be ironic? Of course no one wins this.


I know he has me on ignore, but the fact that he thinks hes maintained a consistent argument makes me do this:

https://i.imgur.com/TwUZBkt.gif

[Dreenk317]

with a little bit of this:
https://i.imgur.com/pDwvLnW.gif

[NachtMystium]

Who remembers OP also having a spurg-fit over Hadden? LoL (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248360)

If you look at OPs thread-create history, I think he just loves to bitch. Common P99 trait, but it's just sad to blame it on your "wife".

[Loke]

After skimming through the first few pages of this thread, I'm going to have to side with the AG folks. That was a real scummy move BG. This appears to be one of those cases where you're not technically in the wrong, but still acted like a bunch of assholes. Will definitely remember this is how BG rolls when I encounter your members since the guild appears to support this sort of stuff.

[Dreenk317]

Wife is amazing. Totally attractive and $116K salary. Likes video games. Thought I was hot in the '90's (sorry babe).

https://i.imgur.com/1rWWLwG.jpg

[Dreenk317]

https://i.imgur.com/31KWB1X.png

[Droog007]

Yeah I figured if this went on long enough someone would find my Hadden thing. I admit that I rushed that. If I'd waited like 5m the guy probably wouldn't have looked over. I'm convinced it was Hadden getting blown up that got his attention. Dude was AFK ... at least he had a good timer after I killed it :p

If you're still around, Ivyleaves or whatever your name was .. you can have the FBE.

[HippoNipple]

Yeah I figured if this went on long enough someone would find my Hadden thing. I admit that I rushed that. If I'd waited like 5m the guy probably wouldn't have looked over. I'm convinced it was Hadden getting blown up that got his attention. Dude was AFK ... at least he had a good timer after I killed it :p

If you're still around, Ivyleaves or whatever your name was .. you can have the FBE.

So your okay with giving back the first item you stole as long as you get to steal the next item you want?

[Dreenk317]

After skimming through the first few pages of this thread, I'm going to have to side with the AG folks. That was a real scummy move BG. This appears to be one of those cases where you're not technically in the wrong, but still acted like a bunch of assholes. Will definitely remember this is how BG rolls when I encounter your members since the guild appears to support this sort of stuff.

BG attacked a mob, got KS'ed, and petitioned. Something that AG does on the regular.
Sirken answered with a "no loot for anyone ruling", commpletely fair for both parties involved instead of potential bans/whatever, in my opinion. Both parties acted sketchy, both parties got denied loot.

thats all that happened here untill OP brought it to RNF, trashing an entire guild for the actions of 3 of its members, then BG showed up to shine a light on his bullshit. Even the original BG member that has admitted to being there admits it was a dickish move. I think what were all waiting for is OP to admit that hes already admitted to KS'ing intentionally, and that that was also a dickish move, especially when hes claimed, multiple times, to not even have needed the gnoll pet.

[Droog007]

Sorry, I don't follow. I don't think I stole anything and we didn't knowingly charm KS anyone in this incident.

But in retrospect it would have been *nicer* to give the guy more time.

[Dreenk317]

[Sun Jul 17 22:50:11 2016] You (OP/Droog007) told Eivy, 'I saw you there. I knew you were attempting to get the spawn - but you were not paying attention at the critical moment. This is a burden that is upon the camper. Camping a spawn comes with responsibilities'


^^ excerpt from OP's OWN LOGS about that hadden incident, and he wants to bitch at BG for beating him to the punch?!?!?!?!?!?! R-O-FUCKING-L

[gkmarino]

[Sun Jul 17 22:50:11 2016] You (OP/Droog007) told Eivy, 'I saw you there. I knew you were attempting to get the spawn - but you were not paying attention at the critical moment. This is a burden that is upon the camper. Camping a spawn comes with responsibilities'Droog would also like to un-admit to making those thoughts made public. It was his wife's fault.

[Beastagoog]

41 page melt down over a Lodi.

Welcome to Blue99.

Sub-clause-15-Lodi-2017 needs to be written up.

While camping Lodizal the 3 relevant charmable mobs in the zone MUST stay up. By killing them this is in breach of the rules. If more than 3 members of the same guild kill the mobs than their guild is Lodi suspended for a week. If it's and individual or individuals not of the same guild than the punishment will result in a one week suspension.

Exceptions to the rule:

A) the player/guild who has FTE may kill them.
B) the 3 mobs may be killed/charmed etc IF Lodizal is not within window. Please check with players camping Lodizal.
C)if a player gains FTE but cannot kill Lodizal due to lack of team make up, he may give consent to another guild/player to assist. Therefore charming/interacting with the 3 charmable relevant mobs in Ice clad is permissible.

LOOT: Standard loot rules apply. NO NINJA LOOTING.


Sirken may add this rule.

[Fasttimes]

Wife is amazing. Totally attractive and $116K salary. Likes video games. Thought I was hot in the '90's (sorry babe).

So you are single, box, deliver pizza and use chaturbate. Got it

[Check12345]

https://i.imgur.com/aNriyt0.jpg

[Heebs13]

Because all of these assholes know they violated policy over a lodi. They just can't admit it for some reason.

AG are charm engage scum. BG are brilliant strategy and tactics scum.

By the way, I find this all entertaining and hope you fine gentlemen carry on.

Get your spin right.

[gkmarino]

1v1 mid

[LiQuid]

After skimming through the first few pages of this thread, I'm going to have to side with the AG folks. That was a real scummy move BG. This appears to be one of those cases where you're not technically in the wrong, but still acted like a bunch of assholes. Will definitely remember this is how BG rolls when I encounter your members since the guild appears to support this sort of stuff.

Well that's just good policy. I think I will follow suit and blacklist every guild with a dipshit in it. That will include literally every guild, including my own.

[Loke]

BG attacked a mob, got KS'ed, and petitioned. Something that AG does on the regular.
Sirken answered with a "no loot for anyone ruling", commpletely fair for both parties involved instead of potential bans/whatever, in my opinion. Both parties acted sketchy, both parties got denied loot.

thats all that happened here untill OP brought it to RNF, trashing an entire guild for the actions of 3 of its members, then BG showed up to shine a light on his bullshit. Even the original BG member that has admitted to being there admits it was a dickish move. I think what were all waiting for is OP to admit that hes already admitted to KS'ing intentionally, and that that was also a dickish move, especially when hes claimed, multiple times, to not even have needed the gnoll pet.

You're leaving out the part where they only attacked that mob with the explicit intent to block the other individuals from using it. Like I said, maybe technically okay by the server rules, but a scummy way to act imo. If you show up and see some has beat you, and your first thought it "how can I ruin this for them", you're an asshole. Sorry. Just be thankful the only consequence from this appears to be some of us on the server have a lower opinion of BG than we did before. Although to be fair, I'd never heard of BG, so didn't have much of an opinion to begin with.

[Triiz]

Who remembers OP also having a spurg-fit over Hadden? LoL (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248360)

If you look at OPs thread-create history, I think he just loves to bitch. Common P99 trait, but it's just sad to blame it on your "wife".

Didn't realize this was the same guy. That explains everything.

OP clearly needs to tell his "wife" she has to give the person at the camp a full 20 seconds before stealing the camp.

[Droog007]

Hadden drama was 100% on me. Eivy had a total shit-fit though... good for lulz, just like this thread.

I'm really sorry you guys are lonely... I don't deserve my charmed life. Although I do have a pretty vile auto-immune disorder. Sucks.

[LiQuid]

You're leaving out the part where they only attacked that mob with the explicit intent to block the other individuals from using it. Like I said, maybe technically okay by the server rules, but a scummy way to act imo. If you show up and see some has beat you, and your first thought it "how can I ruin this for them", you're an asshole. Sorry. Just be thankful the only consequence from this appears to be some of us on the server have a lower opinion of BG than we did before. Although to be fair, I'd never heard of BG, so didn't have much of an opinion to begin with.

Well that kind of diminishes the value of you blacklisting us now doesn't it?

[Dreenk317]

You're leaving out the part where they only attacked that mob with the explicit intent to block the other individuals from using it. Like I said, maybe technically okay by the server rules, but a scummy way to act imo. If you show up and see some has beat you, and your first thought it "how can I ruin this for them", you're an asshole. Sorry. Just be thankful the only consequence from this appears to be some of us on the server have a lower opinion of BG than we did before. Although to be fair, I'd never heard of BG, so didn't have much of an opinion to begin with.

[Sun Jul 17 22:50:11 2016] You told Eivy, 'I saw you there. I knew you were attempting to get the spawn - but you were not paying attention at the critical moment. This is a burden that is upon the camper. Camping a spawn comes with responsibilities'

^^ thats the OP doing the EXACT same thing to someone else over a fishbone earring.

OP in his opening statement:

Show up late to find Lodizal engaged and in the process of being debuffed.
Correctly guess that the SHM/ENC duo intends to to charm Grizlin Bloodfang.
Pretend to be "camping" Grizlin Bloodfang, even though you've just arrived in the zone and Grizlin is currently dead.
Petition the staff for a KS on Grizlin Bloodfang
After staff basically says everyone did a wrong thing, say once again, "it was the only legal course we had to get a chance at lodi."


How about this: Camp the damn mob. Do your own work. When you find someone beat you to the punch, wait at a respectable distance while they take their chance or MOVE THE FUCK ON. Dicks moves are dick moves, "legal" or not.


so, this is literally a case of OP (on the left in this image) yelling at BG Trio, on the right.
https://i.imgur.com/efeBDGR.jpg

otherwise known as:
https://i.imgur.com/S6ZYZrI.gif

[Droog007]

The take-away from Hadden should be this: I gave that dude ~50s on Hadden. If BG crew had given us ~5s on Grizlin, this thread never existed.

[richf275]

And you clearly dont know many people from BG, lots of very stand up players there, mana included,

You're not a "stand up player" if your intent is to screw over other people for your own gain.

[gkmarino]

The take-away from Hadden should be this: I gave that dude ~50s on Hadden. If BG crew had given us ~5s on Grizlin, this thread never existed.Take away from Hadden should be that Eivy was keeping the spawns killed and it was her camp affording her proper attempt at keeping it cleared which you did not provide.. A 20 count falsified as a 50 count with your "good intentions"

You didn't clear the PH and weren't holding Grizlin's spawn. You also weren't in the vicinity of the spawn. "Max tash range" seems like a oops we weren't there for the spawn. You missed engage on Grizlin.. you could and should stand near the spawn point if it was that crucial to your success. We all know that Bedlam + Rune V = bullshit on the max tash range argument.

[Loke]

First, I'm not defending OP, he could very well be a giant asshole as well, but in this particular instance, BG were the ones who showed up, realized they were beat, and decided to be scum bags and rule lawyer over the pet mob. Condemning BGs actions are not the same as condoning OP's.

Second, I never said I was blacklisting them, just that I'd remember they're not above these sort of tactics, and so I shouldn't feel bad about treating them in kind. I've been around p99 long enough that outside raiding (and even sometimes raiding) I try to remain friendly and chill when interacting with random people. I'd never steamroll casual players or try to rule lawyer them out of a camp/mob. In the past maybe I would have, but being older and wiser, I just want to log on and enjoy the game with friends these days. All I was saying was that unlike most casual players, I likely won't give BG members the benefit of the doubt, since they've shown they're completely okay with this sort of stuff. I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, but also didn't see any BG leadership denouncing the tactics used.

[Dreenk317]

You're not a "stand up player" if your intent is to screw over other people for your own gain.

so your also on the "every member of a guild that has someone that did something i dont like must be an evil baby puncher" boat eh?

[Droog007]

Eivy was keeping the spawns killed ...A 20 count falsified as a 50 count...

Have to ask Eivy if he killed the previous Hadden. I don't think he ever claimed that. (Yeah Eivy was/is a dude).

I posted logs. ~50 seconds after Hadden popped is when he swung. Again with baseless cries of "liar!".

[gkmarino]

Lodi has a few words.. :D

https://imgur.com/a/m8MbK

[Dreenk317]

First, I'm not defending OP, he could very well be a giant asshole as well, but in this particular instance, BG were the ones who showed up, realized they were beat, and decided to be scum bags and rule lawyer over the pet mob. Condemning BGs actions are not the same as condoning OP's.

Second, I never said I was blacklisting them, just that I'd remember they're not above these sort of tactics, and so I shouldn't feel bad about treating them in kind. I've been around p99 long enough that outside raiding (and even sometimes raiding) I try to remain friendly and chill when interacting with random people. I'd never steamroll casual players or try to rule lawyer them out of a camp/mob. In the past maybe I would have, but being older and wiser, I just want to log on and enjoy the game with friends these days. All I was saying was that unlike most casual players, I likely won't give BG members the benefit of the doubt, since they've shown they're completely okay with this sort of stuff. I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, but also didn't see any BG leadership denouncing the tactics used.

You also didnt see BG leadership lying or claiming to have not known the rules, or trying to "un-admit" things, or pretending there above this sort of thing when they themselves have done the exact same sort of behaviour, if not worse. You also didnt see BG leadership bring this to RNF, they just showed up here after AG leadership brought it here.

Just saying. Droog admitted he is an officer of AG and apparently has been for years....Droog brought all this here, Droog admittedly "even if he has un-admitted it" broke the rules, BG just did something that was a dick move.

[richf275]

so your also on the "every member of a guild that has someone that did something i dont like must be an evil baby puncher" boat eh?

I mean the leaders and several members of the guild have all commented on this thread and defended BG. Like screwing over the guys who were camping the mob is some sort of elite guild strategy.

[Spyder73]

The take-away from Hadden should be this: I gave that dude ~50s on Hadden. If BG crew had given us ~5s on Grizlin, this thread never existed.

You are pretty much a giant piece of Ogre sh!t OP. If applesauce doesn't put this in this backfire signature I am going to be really disappointed.

Wife is amazing. Totally attractive and $116K salary. Likes video games. Thought I was hot in the '90's (sorry babe).

Pretty creep with the (sorry babe)

They always can't believe it... I'm used to this, though. Keep trying guys, maybe still one out there for you.

Why are you used to people not believing you on the internet about your wife? I have a good looking girlfriend who makes OK money and I have never once had someone accuse me of it being fake?

Yeah I figured if this went on long enough someone would find my Hadden thing. I admit that I rushed that. If I'd waited like 5m the guy probably wouldn't have looked over. I'm convinced it was Hadden getting blown up that got his attention. Dude was AFK ... at least he had a good timer after I killed it :p

If you're still around, Ivyleaves or whatever your name was .. you can have the FBE.

B-B-B-BACK FFFFIIIIRRRREEEE

Hadden drama was 100% on me. Eivy had a total shit-fit though... good for lulz, just like this thread.

If Eivy had a 'total sh!t fit' then what exactly do you call what has happened in this thread OP?

#DieInAFire

[markcosmin]

So you are single, box, deliver pizza and use chaturbate. Got it

Actually this dude used to have a crew he ran with, might still run with? idk.

He's a cuck, if she tells him to play a game he has to play or he don't get his allowance for the month.

It ain't a bad deal if you're into that kinda thing

[Loke]

so your also on the "every member of a guild that has someone that did something i dont like must be an evil baby puncher" boat eh?

Sorry, some of us think judging people by the company they keep is a vital tool in drawing conclusions about others when working with limited information. If you hang out with a bunch of meth heads IRL, I'm probably going to have a different opinion than if you volunteer for the big brother/big sister program. If you knowingly associate with scum bags, you might be a scum bag. Case in point, I left DA leadership back in the day because I disagreed with the tactics the leader and other officers wanted to employ. I didn't want to do something I thought was scummy, so I denounced it, and when they disagreed with me I left. That is what people with ethics and conviction do.

[Pokesan]

lesson for next time sirken: deathtouch them instead of the turtle.

[gkmarino]

lesson for next time sirken: deathtouch them instead of the turtle.hahah :D

[Droog007]

A classier kind of shit-fit...

[Heebs13]

Sorry, some of us think judging people by the company they keep is a vital tool in drawing conclusions about others when working with limited information. If you hang out with a bunch of meth heads IRL, I'm probably going to have a different opinion than if you volunteer for the big brother/big sister program. If you knowingly associate with scum bags, you might be a scum bag. Case in point, I left DA leadership back in the day because I disagreed with the tactics the leader and other officers wanted to employ. I didn't want to do something I thought was scummy, so I denounced it, and when they disagreed with me I left. That is what people with ethics and conviction do.

I like this guy, no sarcasm intended.

[Dreenk317]

Sorry, some of us think judging people by the company they keep is a vital tool in drawing conclusions about others when working with limited information. If you hang out with a bunch of meth heads IRL, I'm probably going to have a different opinion than if you volunteer for the big brother/big sister program. If you knowingly associate with scum bags, you might be a scum bag. Case in point, I left DA leadership back in the day because I disagreed with the tactics the leader and other officers wanted to employ. I didn't want to do something I thought was scummy, so I denounced it, and when they disagreed with me I left. That is what people with ethics and conviction do.

thats funny, according to my conversations with manasana, thats exactly why he left AG, was tired of the loot council BS involved with the CSG alliance, so he said goodbye and left when he realized he was not going to have a chance to change that. Apparently, thats not ok with AG, so shit like this happens.

[Dreenk317]

Also, Droog007=Grizluk=The person who was at one time in line to be LEADER of AG post nemce step down?

[Spyder73]

.

[Heebs13]

thats funny, according to my conversations with manasana, thats exactly why he left AG, was tired of the loot council BS involved with the CSG alliance, so he said goodbye and left when he realized he was not going to have a chance to change that. Apparently, thats not ok with AG, so shit like this happens.

I'm sorry, how do you equate the CSG policy of having a loot council for epic drops between the alliance and having official policy condoning rules-lawyering and generally behaving poorly to other players? I don't see the connection there at all.

[Dreenk317]

I'm sorry, how do you equate the CSG policy of having a loot council for epic drops between the alliance and having official policy condoning rules-lawyering and generally behaving poorly to other players? I don't see the connection there at all.

i wasnt connecting them at all. Was merely pointing out that the person i quoted and manasana apparently had similar reasons for leaving there respective guilds. Thanks for chiming in though bud.

[Dreenk317]

i wasnt connecting them at all. Was merely pointing out that the person i quoted and manasana apparently had similar reasons for leaving there respective guilds. Thanks for chiming in though bud.

and that ever since mana started BG, there has been hate from members of AG

[-TK-]

Sorry, some of us think judging people by the company they keep is a vital tool in drawing conclusions about others when working with limited information. If you hang out with a bunch of meth heads IRL, I'm probably going to have a different opinion than if you volunteer for the big brother/big sister program. If you knowingly associate with scum bags, you might be a scum bag. Case in point, I left DA leadership back in the day because I disagreed with the tactics the leader and other officers wanted to employ. I didn't want to do something I thought was scummy, so I denounced it, and when they disagreed with me I left. That is what people with ethics and conviction do.

That may be what people with your ethics and moral compass do, but you can't hold other people to your convictions, especially in the realm of video games. What's 'scummy' to you may be competitive edging to others. People have much different life experiences that result in many varying ideas of what's ethical. It's not like they broke any laws or caused physical harm to someone. They maybe got a little overzealous and competitive in a video game, but I don't think it's time to burn them at the stake.

You never let any of your inner demons slip through in an exciting or intense situation? You must be Jesus.

[wwoneo]

Who remembers OP also having a spurg-fit over Hadden? LoL (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248360)

If you look at OPs thread-create history, I think he just loves to bitch. Common P99 trait, but it's just sad to blame it on your "wife".

SHIIIIIIIT I REMEMBER THIS THREAD! That was this guy? LOL... amazing.

[Maschenny]

That may be what people with your ethics and moral compass do, but you can't hold other people to your convictions, especially in the realm of video games. What's 'scummy' to you may be competitive edging to others. People have much different life experiences that result in many varying ideas of what's ethical. It's not like they broke any laws or caused physical harm to someone. They maybe got a little overzealous and competitive in a video game, but I don't think it's time to burn them at the stake.

You never let any of your inner demons slip through in an exciting or intense situation? You must be Jesus.

Yeah, totally burning them at the stake... he just said he would be weary of them in game, which is completely understandable and logical.

[Loke]

thats funny, according to my conversations with manasana, thats exactly why he left AG, was tired of the loot council BS involved with the CSG alliance, so he said goodbye and left when he realized he was not going to have a chance to change that. Apparently, thats not ok with AG, so shit like this happens.

You keep attacking OP and AG, when I'm not trying to defend them. OP and AG's actions are independent of BGs. One being bad doesn't mean the other is good. The only cut and dry conclusion I was able to make from this post is BG used shady tactics, and that OP seems like kind of a cry baby, but is kind of justified in this instance.

For the record, the only person I talk to regularly in AG is Bugaman, who has to be one of the nicest and most legit people on the server. If he isn't considered AG leadership he should be imo. So my opinion of AG is almost solely built on knowing him and a few others Ive met in passing. Again we get to that whole association thing. Since I don't know many of them, their association with people I know to be legit is the most informed opinion I can have.

[Heebs13]

i wasnt connecting them at all. Was merely pointing out that the person i quoted and manasana apparently had similar reasons for leaving there respective guilds. Thanks for chiming in though bud.

Saying they are similar IS saying there is some sort of connection. I don't mean they're connected like one caused the other or some shit, I mean you're saying that leaving a guild for supporting and engaging in scummy practice is similar to leaving a guild because they share loot with an alliance.

[Dreenk317]

Saying they are similar IS saying there is some sort of connection. I don't mean they're connected like one caused the other or some shit, I mean you're saying that leaving a guild for supporting and engaging in scummy practice is similar to leaving a guild because they share loot with an alliance.

im saying both people left their guild because they didnt like how it was being lead. And both realized they were powerless to change that.

[Heebs13]

thats funny, according to my conversations with manasana, thats exactly why he left AG, was tired of the loot council BS involved with the CSG alliance, so he said goodbye and left when he realized he was not going to have a chance to change that. Apparently, thats not ok with AG, so shit like this happens.

Yes, AG's supposed blood feud with Blood Guard is totally the reason the guy from AG was upset, and had nothing to do with BG's members actively attempting to sabotage his Lodi kill and then petitioning him and getting his Lodi depopped on him.

The hell are you smoking?

[Dreenk317]

Saying they are similar IS saying there is some sort of connection. I don't mean they're connected like one caused the other or some shit, I mean you're saying that leaving a guild for supporting and engaging in scummy practice is similar to leaving a guild because they share loot with an alliance.

And nothing wrong with sharing loot with an alliance, but when that alliance member brings 4 people to your 24 people, and automatically get the epic piece because it was there turn in the rotaion (and therefore the ONLY reason they showed up, most likely) Thats some loot council BS, and i understand why that would frustrate people, from every AG member ive talked to, AG carries the CSG alliance during there raids.

[Muggens]

You never let any of your inner demons slip through in an exciting or intense situation? You must be Jesus.

Not everyone on here is a crybaby autist with inner demons trynna go winning online

[Dreenk317]

Yes, AG's supposed blood feud with Blood Guard is totally the reason the guy from AG was upset, and had nothing to do with BG's members actively attempting to sabotage his Lodi kill and then petitioning him and getting his Lodi depopped on him.

The hell are you smoking?

way to extrapolate bud, I did not say that manasana leaving AG is WHY this happened, all i said, was that shit like this happens.

This in particular happened because Droog got told "NO" by sirken and is a little crybaby with a hurt butt, so he came here in the hopes people would ease his butthurt, as ive already stated.

[Loke]

both realized they were powerless to change that.

Might be a technicality, but I wouldn't say I was powerless. I took my game knowledge and play time to IB, where we went on to dominate the server, while DA went from being a top guild, to being absorbed by a guild that had touble breaking fear in classic. That account of how things went down might be slightly biased or exaggerated, but technically true!

[HippoNipple]

You keep attacking OP and AG, when I'm not trying to defend them. OP and AG's actions are independent of BGs. One being bad doesn't mean the other is good. The only cut and dry conclusion I was able to make from this post is BG used shady tactics, and that OP seems like kind of a cry baby, but is kind of justified in this instance.


Unfortunately the majority make everything binary and have a hard time comprehending anything further.

[Maner]

Have to ask Eivy if he killed the previous Hadden. I don't think he ever claimed that. (Yeah Eivy was/is a dude).

I posted logs. ~50 seconds after Hadden popped is when he swung. Again with baseless cries of "liar!".

So he swung after 50 seconds while you only waited 20 to engage?

[Heebs13]

And nothing wrong with sharing loot with an alliance, but when that alliance member brings 4 people to your 24 people, and automatically get the epic piece because it was there turn in the rotaion (and therefore the ONLY reason they showed up, most likely) Thats some loot council BS, and i understand why that would frustrate people, from every AG member ive talked to, AG carries the CSG alliance during there raids.

Some people had that perception for a time, myself included, but that simply isn't the case. Omni and Europa more than carry their weight in the CSG alliance, and we're both happy and lucky to have them.

[Dreenk317]

Might be a technicality, but I wouldn't say I was powerless. I took my game knowledge and play time to IB, where we went on to dominate the server, while DA went from being a top guild, to being absorbed by a guild that had touble breaking fear in classic. That account of how things went down might be slightly biased or exaggerated, but technically true!

ya thats my point, you couldnt change it within DA, so you left for greener pastures and to do what you could elsewhere. Mana did the same thing, left AG and formed BG with Willfight, and in 2 months, have managed to get quite a bit done imo, for being as others have stated "a guild formed of AG rejects and the casual VS level guild"

[orangemang]

Yes, AG's supposed blood feud with Blood Guard is totally the reason the guy from AG was upset, and had nothing to do with BG's members actively attempting to sabotage his Lodi kill and then petitioning him and getting his Lodi depopped on him.

The hell are you smoking?

Dunno bout you, but only the highest quality of ganja. Want to try some?

[orangemang]

To put a little perspective on this... I kinda get the whole "cockblock ideal pets" thing now. Hell there was a guy in AG who joined me at a camp once who wanted to try to keep Grizlin dead because there was 1-2 known Lodi-soloing SHM there. He gave up when he realized the spawn time was so short. I thought THAT was kindof a dick move.

But you guys showed up late... Lodi spawned when no one was there to engage, which almost never happens (since I've been watching, which is a number of weeks now). And you were pissy because you thought you were just gonna waltz in and get it.

Back to this whole we were pissy because we thought we were gonna waltz in and get it again... we adapted our plan to fit the situation to try and get lodi to eat your face off. Still not ashamed of it, will do it again to you and anyone I think needs Griz but doesn't have him yet in a heartbeat. Can't wait for Pt 2 of this rnf when it happens to you again.

[LiQuid]

ya thats my point, you couldnt change it within DA, so you left for greener pastures and to do what you could elsewhere. Mana did the same thing, left AG and formed BG with Willfight, and in 2 months, have managed to get quite a bit done imo, for being as others have stated "a guild formed of AG rejects and the casual VS level guild"

Right on. I'm a casual shit and I've been on this server since 2012 and I've done more with BG in the last couple months than I had up to this point. SURE it's nothing compared to high end Velious raiding like A/A are doing, but it's exciting and competitive. I think Manasana and Willfight compliment each other very well. Like Will said, Mana is like the mean mommy and Will is the cool, fun dad. Having a really great time in BG. It's full of a lot of nice people.

[orangemang]

People who call it ganja is a red flag for someone pretending to smoke.

So no, I don't want to try your parsley/oregano blend.

colloquialism: a local or regional dialect expression

The more you know. I've always wanted to know, what's it like being a complete hipster douchebag?

[bktroost]

Nemce would be proud.

Lodi Shields are like 100pp on TAKP.

[Manasana2]

haha Nemce

[Sadiki]

> No sense of accomplishment because nothing is challenging
> No sense of accomplishment because you can't win

Choose one

[bktroost]

Why are you used to people not believing you on the internet about your wife? I have a good looking girlfriend who makes OK money and I have never once had someone accuse me of it being fake?



B-B-B-BACK FFFFIIIIRRRREEEE





His wife is super awesome and way smarter than me!

Probably hotter too, though you haven't seen me in a one piece bakini. Ow ooooow!

[orangemang]

His wife is super awesome and way smarter than me!

Probably hotter too, though you haven't seen me in a one piece bakini. Ow ooooow!

I need to see a picture of that asap! The fap bank needs material.

[Loke]

Yo orangemang, I'm going to need to see your weed credentials. Your bona fides, if you will. Could you provide any pot reeferences so we can confirm your marijuana legitimacy? I'm sure you understand, we have to be careful not to associate with any fraudulent "ganja" imposters.

[bktroost]

> No sense of accomplishment because nothing is challenging
> No sense of accomplishment because you can't win

Choose one

ST is super challenging. With 22 people and 4 clerics you have a 5 minutes fight in which you are juggling shaman and druid heals in a CH chain to camp cleric aggro so they don't jump the aagro list. The ice dragon has a 70% slow so tank doesn't aggro much. It's pretty difficult to manage aggro for healers who can't drop their aggro without camping. Anything goes wrong and you lose.

It's also super awesome to learn all of this for the first time and with a 48 hour window to experiment before you lose your turn. Mobs drop 4+ items though so we got a SoD for sale -_0

[Sadiki]

We all know you are boxing all 22 chars.

[jakerees]

Seems like the right time to say I have a 42 shaman and I'm starting to think about my future when it comes to joining a guild. Just hope I can be picked up by one of the two fine organizations represented in this thread.

[Manasana2]

We are almost at 50 Posts!!!!! a few people wanted to make mention that yes im the guildleader of BG and yes I somewhat support my members actions to give AG a lesser chance of success. its called competition BG isnt competing againt you standing there watching you kill a mob..BUT Legally making a call to do something that would decrease AGs chance at a win would be competing against you. IF you want your libtard no drive ass to just get everything handed to you I would Suggest Takp or Agnarr where all the snowflakes are complaini...I mean Raiding...

half if not more of the reason a lot of us are here is for the raid scene and Yes we play this game because its hardcore to a degree on the raid scene and Yes you will not get every mob or kill and Yes your going to get plowed by other guilds thats where all the fun is at for me

[-TK-]

Yeah, totally burning them at the stake... he just said he would be weary of them in game, which is completely understandable and logical.

I understand that and I should have been more clear that I was not only referring specifically to him casting judgment on them and that even the best of people sometimes let their emotions or adrenaline get the best of them. If you look back through this thread there are quite a few people sitting on 20 hand horses condemning BG. This is a server where the staff encourages a 'competitive' environment, but then a couple guys get blasted for acting competitively within the the rules, because of ... feelings?

Not everyone on here is a crybaby autist with inner demons trynna go winning online

This statement is almost too ignorant to address, and also doesn't make sense if you're trying to defend the OP. I'm pretty sure BG wasn't crying about anything when this thread was made - quite the opposite. And congratulations on using one of the most overused 'burn' phrases on the internet. Next time at least put a little effort into it.

[gkmarino]

Risky click of the day..

https://imgur.com/DjOolzf

lol :)

[Lhancelot]

IF you want your libtard no drive ass to just get everything handed to you I would Suggest Takp or Agnarr where all the snowflakes are complaini...I mean Raiding...


Forumquesting 101: Never infuse elf fantasy with modern real world political insults like "libtard." It just doesn't work.

[Pokesan]

im a big badass i raid dragons on the p99 blue server

[Check12345]

Forumquesting 101: Never infuse elf fantasy with modern real world political insults like "libtard." It just doesn't work.

Wait... BG is a fucking Trump guild?!?

[ZiggyTheMuss]

That may be what people with your ethics and moral compass do, but you can't hold other people to your convictions, especially in the realm of video games. What's 'scummy' to you may be competitive edging to others. People have much different life experiences that result in many varying ideas of what's ethical. It's not like they broke any laws or caused physical harm to someone. They maybe got a little overzealous and competitive in a video game, but I don't think it's time to burn them at the stake.

You never let any of your inner demons slip through in an exciting or intense situation? You must be Jesus.

Well also take in to consideration that he admittedly has only read the first couple pages/skimmed the thread. So why even weigh in??

The people who are picking OP apart here are the ones who saw him contradict himself, pivot, throw his wife under the bus, contradict himself some more and sling shit at an entire guild because of his emotional vendetta against one of its leaders. BG brought zero salt of their own to this thread and it was more than evident that this is much, much more than just a game to OP.

And... Grizluk? lol I just now realized who OP is. This is the guy that was going to lead AG after Nemce stepped down. His only condition? AG had to change its name even though the vast majority of members wanted it to stay. It was super duper important to him apparently and he whined and bitched and well... AG is still AG. Again, serious business. This is much, much more than just a game to ol Grizz, may he one day get the help he needs!

[Heebs13]

Well also take in to consideration that he admittedly has only read the first couple pages/skimmed the thread. So why even weigh in??

The people who are picking OP apart here are the ones who saw him contradict himself, pivot, throw his wife under the bus, contradict himself some more and sling shit at an entire guild because of his emotional vendetta against one of its leaders. BG brought zero salt of their own to this thread and it was more than evident that this is much, much more than just a game to OP.

And... Grizluk? lol I just now realized who OP is. This is the guy that was going to lead AG after Nemce stepped down. His only condition? AG had to change its name even though the vast majority of members wanted it to stay. It was super duper important to him apparently and he whined and bitched and well... AG is still AG. Again, serious business. This is much, much more than just a game to ol Grizz, may he one day get the help he needs!

I really don't get how you could think that's the reason he was upset at BG rather than him being upset because they purposely dicked him out of a kill, unless you're just wilfully ignoring that to fit your narrative.

[gkmarino]

I really don't get how you could think that's the reason he was upset at BG rather than him being upset because they purposely dicked him out of a kill, unless you're just wilfully ignoring that to fit your narrative.
They dicked themselves out of a kill because they couldnt do the following:
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
https://imgur.com/7pq1paM

It's not like Grizluk is the only option in the entire zone. :)

[Manasana2]

When you name the Post "How Blood guard does lodi" instead of something Personal like "Some people are dicks at lodi" ... Yeah I would say its againt BG because Grizluk doesnt like me... and to be true I didnt even know it was grizluk untill I asked his name and seen the logs

Also Yeah Ziggy Griz and enchanter were going to lead AG and had the guildleader post and everything and a week later randomly said fuck that noise. So if you want to comment of me and my 2 month old guild go ahead and look at the 7 year old AG that Griz/enchanter were the leader for a week with him posting RNF that he clearly regrets posting and he claims I went off the deep end ahahhaahah

[Heebs13]

They dicked themselves out of a kill because they couldnt do the following:
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
https://imgur.com/7pq1paM

It's not like Grizluk is the only option in the entire zone. :)

Yes, we're all aware. The fact that OP failed to find an alternate strategy to kill Lodi doesn't change the fact that the only reason he would have needed to do so in the first place is because the BG players purposely tried to (and succeeded) sabotage his kill.

And while I'm sure you and your buddies are still salivating and giving each other virtual high fives over your brilliant "strategy and tactics," it's not exactly germane to the idea that OP posted this because he has beef with Mana, not because he feels, justly or unjustly, that you guys dicked him out of a kill.

[Heebs13]

When you name the Post "How Blood guard does lodi" instead of something Personal like "Some people are dicks at lodi" ... Yeah I would say its againt BG because Grizluk doesnt like me... and to be true I didnt even know it was grizluk untill I asked his name and seen the logs

Also Yeah Ziggy Griz and enchanter were going to lead AG and had the guildleader post and everything and a week later randomly said fuck that noise. So if you want to comment of me and my 2 month old guild go ahead and look at the 7 year old AG that Griz/enchanter were the leader for a week with him posting RNF that he clearly regrets posting and he claims I went off the deep end ahahhaahah

Well given that the players involved were tagged Blood Guard and the Blood Guard guild leader(s) have been in here supporting the actions of their players, I could see how Griz might get the impression that this is, in fact, how Blood Guard operates.

[Manasana2]

Didnt someone show there was like 5 other lvl 50 mobs he could have charmed???

Heebs Im talking about how he Named this thread before he even knew where my thought were... if it was a personal thing like I said he would have went to the members instead he knows im the leader and blamed the guild.

I do support my people on this certain case BUT I do understand it can look like a good strategy and a dick move from differant people

[Lhancelot]

Wait... BG is a fucking Trump guild?!?

I heard that part of the reason Manasana left AG was due to RL political reasons.

AG is full of liberals and socialists, people he commonly calls "libtards." This created a rift between Manasana and the guild, as many of the AG members took great offense to being called "libtards."

When the rest of AG leadership refused to boot the liberals and socialists (some of them are "libtards" too), Manasana decided to commit mutiny and take with him others who supported a more conservative outlook in RL (fiscally/socially) because this matters in the game.

Thus, BG was born.

[Droog007]

Mana - I know you're a manic weirdo, but I did not think you were a narcissist. I did not name my thread for you. I'm sure there are nice guys in BG who would give Hadden campers a full 2m to my 50s - to those guys I apologize. As Heebs said though, it's pretty clear that BG, by and large, is cool with griefing for pixels.

I know I need to up my game at Lodi, I totally get it guise! I was mad so I came directly to RNF to let loose... and it's been a ride, let me tell ya. I swear to god that meme stack had me crying tears of laughter... nothing works quite like that to get the salt out.

That's right - I admit I was salty AF! But I still do not admit that either me or my partner did anything malicious. We were just naive care bears. She's the care, I'm the bear.

[Heebs13]

Didnt someone show there was like 5 other lvl 50 mobs he could have charmed???

Heebs Im talking about how he Named this thread before he even knew where my thought were... if it was a personal thing like I said he would have went to the members instead he knows im the leader and blamed the guild.

I do support my people on this certain case BUT I do understand it can look like a good strategy and a dick move from differant people

Yes, he could have charmed a different mob and that was an error on his part not to do so.

I think somewhere way back on page 5 or so he (and others) admitted there was generalizing going on in this thread that isn't exactly fair, and I think that's true. However he's not the only one, AG or not, that has pointed out that the actions of a guild's members reflects on the guild as a whole. And then yes, to top it off, you and Will have both been in here and expressed that you're totally fine with it, which kind of lends legitimacy to his thread title, does it not? Maybe it would be different if you came in here and said "this isn't how BG operates, the members in question acted independently and have been told not to do it again," but you've essentially publicly announced "yep, that's how we roll. Good job, guys!"

I appreciate you acknowledging that some people might see it as a dick move. That's a step above washing your hands of it by calling it "strategy and tactics", and several steps above trying to gloss over it entirely by stating that OP's beef comes solely from some personal vendetta he has against you.

[Heebs13]

I heard that part of the reason Manasana left AG was due to RL political reasons.

AG is full of liberals and socialists, people he commonly calls "libtards." This created a rift between Manasana and the guild, as many of the AG members took great offense to being called "libtards."

When the rest of AG leadership refused to boot the liberals and socialists (some of them are "libtards" too), Manasana decided to commit mutiny and take with him others who supported a more conservative outlook in RL (fiscally/socially) because this matters in the game.

Thus, BG was born.

If any of that is true at all, it's news to me, and I was there when this all went down. We have plenty of right-leaning members in guild currently and it's never really a problem. Politics usually doesn't end up in guild chat much, and I'm usually the first person to ask people to take it to another channel if it does.

[Droog007]

Can we get to 50, though?

[Manasana2]

Give me the reason you dropped BG into your title of the post griz

[Droog007]

Actually I shoulda known better ... the last few threads in O-chat were pretty much textbook narcissism.

But still, like I said before... If anything, I worry that BG are going to target me with extra grief because I'm AG. But it wasn't at the forefront of my mind when I typed the subject line. Honestly it was just kindof a lazy way to refer to the gang that fucked with me. I didn't really think anyone would believe that every single BG member goes straight for the Grizlin jugular on the Lodi battlefield.

[Droog007]

Can you see how weird this is though? "Shame on you for referring to BG at large when referencing this incident"... and then out of the other side of your mouth, "This is smart play, bravo my little Napoleons!"

[Cecily]

That's right - I admit I was salty AF! But I still do not admit that either me or my partner did anything malicious. We were just naive care bears. She's the care, I'm the bear.

This is what I mean by bad players. Most often it's casual scum violating rules out of sheer ignorance, not malice. And it's just terrible to deal with them because their sense of self virtue won't allow them to see themselves at fault. Wish TMO griefed more of you off the server.

[Manasana2]

Actually I shoulda known better ... the last few threads in O-chat were pretty much textbook narcissism.

But still, like I said before... If anything, I worry that BG are going to target me with extra grief because I'm AG. But it wasn't at the forefront of my mind when I typed the subject line. Honestly it was just kindof a lazy way to refer to the gang that fucked with me. I didn't really think anyone would believe that every single BG member goes straight for the Grizlin jugular on the Lodi battlefield.

I accept that answer griz. But wait I dont see meah getting thrown under the bus in this quote... can someone recheck this msg please I dont want to miss anything

[Droog007]

GET THE GNOLL, WOMAN!

LOL... I'm totally gonna say that at every Lodi we duo from now on.

[Lojik]

I mean with her char name why shouldn't she be thrown under the bus, she's asking for it

[Manasana2]

those memes I was fuckin crying laughing God that shit was so damn good

[Droog007]

Cecily, please fuck off. I said a hundred times by now that there was no way to know if tash landed before melee. We evidently need FTE shouts on all potential pets in Iceclad Ocean.

I'm not ignorant of the rules and neither is my wife. When I refer to my naivety, I'm talking about the fact that we were not mentally prepared for griefers.

[gkmarino]

This is what I mean by bad players. Most often it's casual scum violating rules out of sheer ignorance, not malice. And it's just terrible to deal with them because their sense of self virtue won't allow them to see themselves at fault. Wish TMO griefed more of you off the server.

Cecily, please fuck off. I said a hundred times by now that there was no way to know if tash landed before melee. We evidently need FTE shouts on all potential pets in Iceclad Ocean.

I'm not ignorant of the rules and neither is my wife. When I refer to my naivety, I'm talking about the fact that we were not mentally prepared for griefers.
https://imgur.com/WeWLmbS

[Manasana2]

GET THE GNOLL, WOMAN!

LOL... I'm totally gonna say that at every Lodi we duo from now on.

LOL didnt you say that on the one that started this thread =P

[Legidias]

All great strategies in history have also been dick moves. Prove me wrong

[Droog007]

I honestly don't get how this busrolling thing got started. I mean, she's the enchanter. We got in trouble for charming a thing. My strings were still in my pocket, I swear!

[Manasana2]

and Grats 50!!!

[Manasana2]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/352376000321028096/367564772725620737/Forrest-Gump.png?width=546&height=677

[NachtMystium]

God, this thread went from a shit-show to a cringe-fest. Throw the padlock on this one fellas.

[jakerees]

Ok, I shall accept a membership in BG

[Heebs13]

All great strategies in history have also been dick moves. Prove me wrong

Really off topic here, but sure, I'll bite.

Napoleon's strategy at Austerlitz relied heavily on him getting his opponents to believe he was weak and therefore goad them into attacking him. His victory at Austerlitz is considered to be one of the greatest tactical battles in history (next to Hannibal's victory at Cannae), in part because he really was weaker (his force was smaller than the Prussians' and the Holy Roman Empire's at the time), and also because he accurately predicted exactly what needed to happen to ensure his victory.

Historians pretty widely accept his strategy at Austerlitz as a great one, so unless you want to contest that, the only matter of contention is "can fooling your opponent into thinking you're weak and then defeating him when he abandons his position to attack you be considered a 'dick move'".

Back on topic though, I'd hardly consider playing an 18 year old PVE MMO to be on the same level as fighting an enemy army in a battle that will decide the fate of your nation. One seems a little more acceptable to fight tooth and nail as it's literally a matter of life and death, the other is just a video game, and I'd expect more people to be willing to adhere to common decency when 'competing' in the latter.

[Manasana2]

On tomorrows Episode of RNF: Grizluk keeps posting while a new challenger joins the thread!!!!! Stay tuned!!

[Heebs13]

This is what I mean by bad players. Most often it's casual scum violating rules out of sheer ignorance, not malice. And it's just terrible to deal with them because their sense of self virtue won't allow them to see themselves at fault. Wish TMO griefed more of you off the server.

Well, his rule violation (again, prompted by actual malicious intent from his 'competition') caused him to lose a Lodi kill. If you find him saying he didn't have malicious intent 'terrible to deal with' and you wish more casuals got griefed off the server, somewhere I have the world's smallest violin for you, though I doubt you'd be able to hear it from way up there on your high horse.

[Lojik]

On tomorrows Episode of RNF: Grizluk keeps posting while a new challenger joins the thread!!!!! Stay tuned!!

I thought you only fight off challengers after you get your belt

[Manasana2]

LOL heebs that high horse with the violin is perfect hhaah

[Legidias]

"can fooling your opponent into thinking you're weak and then defeating him when he abandons his position to attack you be considered a 'dick move'".

Yes