"Fair and legitimate chance at a target" (cont)

[Mead]

Most idiotic idea for sure.

Red lesson 24: Swish has an unlimited amount of idiotic ideas.

[Lhancelot]

I fundamentally disagree EQ was ever supposed to be about competition. At least, not on a PvE server.

I never gave one shit who the "best runner" on p99 was -- and almost no one else does either. There are literally like 20 guys that give it a second thought in the entire world. Frankly, a mental health professional would have a field day with them.

No substantial amount of people actually care about the competition on p99. It's too bad people can't just enjoy their childhood game without a group of no-lifers ruining it for them.

This is exactly what I think when people defend this system and call it "competing" for mobs.

Competition is found in PVP, and in the actual encounters of a raid involving players versus the mobs aka PVE.

When the most important factor that decides the success of a guild is having the most available time to sock mobs, that's not showcasing skill and that isn't being competitive.

That's just being greedy and using the word "competition" to justify the greed and unwillingness to share the games content with others who don't have endless time to sock.

I don't care tbh, I don't raid and I enjoy grouping or soloing more than raiding. I find fun everywhere except in the raid scene here.

That being said, I just can't help but grow weary of this talk about "competing" for mobs and racing, etc. this is total BS.

If A/A are so alpha and competitive, they should go to the red server where you actually have to compete and all of the lawyer questing is out the window.

Otherwise stop pretending this system is about competition. It's about monopolizing pixels by having the most available people who can sock an endless amount of time.

[RedXIII]

You can call poopsock all you want. But as Sirken post clearly says:

People can complain all they want, but at the end of the day if you guild isn't forcing its members to be in voice chat, isn't utilizing some form of batphone, or is somehow still under the belief that you have to stare at a screen for 16 hours to get a mob, then you guys need to look inwards and fix those problems (and yes, those are absolutely problems if you want to be a raiding guild) because there's literally nothing that the staff or player-base can do to help you if you aren't willing to help yourselves first.

More organized guilds kill more stuff. You can cry and say its not true all you want but when i see some casuals guilds taking hours to pull a mob to the zone in of ToV, or take 40mins to mobilize for a kill, or 20mins to set up a Complete heal chain... all i see is a bunch of unprepared people who are just waiting to press the "Free Pixels button" without any effort to push theirselfs to be better.

It is a game? sure it is... but you can be good at it, or a total crap who gets carried.

[Raev]

Man, rereading that I can't believe Sirken actually said you could get dragons on this server without wall staring. I honestly have no idea what he means there, because anything contested here involves poopsocking and that's 95% of what matters.

[Llodd]

Man, rereading that I can't believe Sirken actually said you could get dragons on this server without wall staring. I honestly have no idea what he means there, because anything contested here involves poopsocking and that's 95% of what matters.

hmmm does he mean that if you take shifts no one man will spend 16 hours starring at a wall or guilds can work out how they want to change things between themselves (lol naieve)

[Ravager]

hmmm does he mean that if you take shifts no one man will spend 16 hours starring at a wall or guilds can work out how they want to change things between themselves (lol naieve)

It's hard enough to find one person to stare at a wall for an hour, let alone 16.

[Tayy]

If 8 people took a two hour shift each you have the entire window covered. It only takes one runner to win.

The more dedicated people you have to run and willing to sit the better your odds are of FTE. The more people you have that have spent hours practicing the better they will be.

Think of it like an actual Olympic race. The guys that train hard and mentally prepare have a better chance of winning, just like here. The more Olympic racers you have qualified the better chance at a medal.

If you show up to an Olympic race fresh off the couch after finishing a few beers and a bag of chips and nobody else from your country has shown up.....yeah you're gonna have some problems.

[Tayy]

Just to add,

If you don't have people prepared to compete or haven't trained to compete with the best then you obviously don't want it as bad.

[Culkasi]

Just to add,

If you don't have people prepared to compete or haven't trained to compete with the best then you obviously don't want it as bad.

I think its best if none of us want it as bad as Olympic racers, don't you agree? I mean, it being a 18 year old elf simulator and all, that would be pretty sick.

[saujee]

Sirken made his point pretty clear. If you want them Vulak endgame pixels then you are going to have to put in the work for them. It's not just about being able to put in the hours in to track and poopsock. You also have to be able to win the races on top of that. So get organised. The rewards will be worth it.
We can not complain about the top guilds doing a great a job. End game is a competition.

Waiting for the apples to grow on the apple tree is one thing.
Climbing up the apple tree to retrieve those apples before your rivals get them is what needs to be done.

[Phantasm]

I think its best if none of us want it as bad as Olympic racers, don't you agree? I mean, it being a 18 year old elf simulator and all, that would be pretty sick.

Well I would love to play EQ but i have FTE practice most of the day. When I'm not training my FTE I'm RMTing my winnings so I'll have even less time to actually play the game

[Mead]

If 8 people took a two hour shift each you have the entire window covered. It only takes one runner to win.

The more dedicated people you have to run and willing to sit the better your odds are of FTE. The more people you have that have spent hours practicing the better they will be.

Think of it like an actual Olympic race. The guys that train hard and mentally prepare have a better chance of winning, just like here. The more Olympic racers you have qualified the better chance at a medal.

If you show up to an Olympic race fresh off the couch after finishing a few beers and a bag of chips and nobody else from your country has shown up.....yeah you're gonna have some problems.

Blue99 fte race be like

http://i.imgur.com/n5vkHap.gif

[Mythanor]

Well I would love to play EQ but i have FTE practice most of the day. When I'm not training my FTE I'm RMTing my winnings so I'll have even less time to actually play the game

sums it up best... these two posts. EQ was built by people that envisioned cooperation to overcome group mobs, then later "raid" mobs. And some of these people have turned into "competitions" on who can deny pixels to others, while accumulating the most for themselves, all the while comparing it to the Olympics.

Sad really.

[Ravager]

It's worth repeating: these people don't give a shit about competition. If they wanted competition, they'd play on the server where direct competition is the entire point. They say they get a rush from yellow text, but what they get a rush from is akin to a slot machine win. If it was a rush from competition they got, they'd go to red and savor the rush of defeating 50 opponents and a dragon simultaneously. For a competitive mind, that'd be far more satisfying than having a two step lead in a fixed speed race. These people want to "win". They think by making an artificial contest where they make up the rules and the conditions for "winning" they've accomplished something noteworthy. But it's a farce. They are certainly not winners by any cognitively healthy person's definition.

[Swish]

It's worth repeating: these people don't give a shit about competition.

Can the same be said for BDA? They wanted rotations, not competition...too bad you screwed up the last one and had to leave the server. If there was ever a healthy dose of EQ karma, BDA got it.

[Muggens]

If 8 people took a two hour shift each you have the entire window covered. It only takes one runner to win.

The more dedicated people you have to run and willing to sit the better your odds are of FTE. The more people you have that have spent hours practicing the better they will be.

Think of it like an actual Olympic race. The guys that train hard and mentally prepare have a better chance of winning, just like here. The more Olympic racers you have qualified the better chance at a medal.

If you show up to an Olympic race fresh off the couch after finishing a few beers and a bag of chips and nobody else from your country has shown up.....yeah you're gonna have some problems.

"to win" "practicing the better they will come" "train hard and mentally prepare" "chance at a medal" "Olympic race"


"Yeah, you're gonna have some problems."

[Ravager]

As much as I'd like to get you on yet another irrelevant BDA rant that leads to yet another forum ban, you should really just get over it, Swish.

[Troxx]

+1

A+ SirKen.

[Whirled]

It's worth repeating: these people don't give a shit about competition. If they wanted competition, they'd play on the server where direct competition is the entire point. They say they get a rush from yellow text, but what they get a rush from is akin to a slot machine win. If it was a rush from competition they got, they'd go to red and savor the rush of defeating 50 opponents and a dragon simultaneously. For a competitive mind, that'd be far more satisfying than having a two step lead in a fixed speed race. These people want to "win". They think by making an artificial contest where they make up the rules and the conditions for "winning" they've accomplished something noteworthy. But it's a farce. They are certainly not winners by any cognitively healthy person's definition.

well said^

[Lhancelot]

It's worth repeating: these people don't give a shit about competition. If they wanted competition, they'd play on the server where direct competition is the entire point. They say they get a rush from yellow text, but what they get a rush from is akin to a slot machine win. If it was a rush from competition they got, they'd go to red and savor the rush of defeating 50 opponents and a dragon simultaneously. For a competitive mind, that'd be far more satisfying than having a two step lead in a fixed speed race. These people want to "win". They think by making an artificial contest where they make up the rules and the conditions for "winning" they've accomplished something noteworthy. But it's a farce. They are certainly not winners by any cognitively healthy person's definition.

It doesn't help when supporters of this system and even worse, some of the admin refer to it as "putting in the work."

In actuality the primary focus and time spent isn't on work at all, it's dumping tons of time into watching for a mob to pop.

It just seems sad this is how the guides decided to deal with it, and the top raiders here, the smallest minority of players are fine with it too seeing this system fits their lifestyles best.

No sense of community whatsoever, and then to have the nerve to call themselves being competitive. Even likening themselves to Olympic athletes. Come on man.

Let's be honest.

The top raid guilds aren't getting pixels because of uber skills and awesome organization, they get the pixels because they have more dedicated sockers.

[RedXIII]

If 8 people took a two hour shift each you have the entire window covered. It only takes one runner to win.

The more dedicated people you have to run and willing to sit the better your odds are of FTE. The more people you have that have spent hours practicing the better they will be.

Think of it like an actual Olympic race. The guys that train hard and mentally prepare have a better chance of winning, just like here. The more Olympic racers you have qualified the better chance at a medal.

If you show up to an Olympic race fresh off the couch after finishing a few beers and a bag of chips and nobody else from your country has shown up.....yeah you're gonna have some problems.

If the world keeps going with this cry baby mentality and the welfare of everyone deservs to win something for just existing... soon you will see all the olympics people have the same medal collor so people dont go home upset... cuz after all... they all worked hard for it right??? should be rewarded the same.

Fucking beta male mentality.

[Ciroco]

These threads really test my troll radar

[dafier]

P99 needs to reform their donation part of the website. Make it look like Vegas with flashing colors and cool stuff and some sort of 'bonus' to players who donate.

Then, stand up new servers with the 'donated' money to help support it. Warmane is a great example. =)

[Dreenk317]

Make every raid mob in velious rooted in place at spawn.

[Ravager]

If the world keeps going with this cry baby mentality and the welfare of everyone deservs to win something for just existing... soon you will see all the olympics people have the same medal collor so people dont go home upset... cuz after all... they all worked hard for it right??? should be rewarded the same.

Fucking beta male mentality.

The beta male mentality is the one that thinks this is a dick measuring contest in the first place. And really, what an awful place to proxy your manhood.

[Mistle]

It doesn't help when supporters of this system and even worse, some of the admin refer to it as "putting in the work."

Like Sirken would even know, he's never put in a second of socking under these rules. Totally dissociated from what is really going on, that got SOE into no end of trouble back in the day.

How many of the people who think they are the elite of the server even put in a real amount of FTE effort (you know, all the required clickies, having their alt-tab framerate destroying setup ready, etc)? Like TMO and the rest of the snotbeards through the server history, there is literally no difference between 90% of Awakened or Aftermath and anyone else in the server's endgame. Zilch. They aren't better or more organized at all. They don't put in any more effort at all.

[Mistle]

I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that Redwiz, the biggest fucktard left on the server, talks and acts like a refugee from /r/redpill. How that douchenozzle managed to avoid the Chardok RMT purges is beyond me. "Beta males", lol.


Can the same be said for BDA? They wanted rotations, not competition...too bad you screwed up the last one and had to leave the server. If there was ever a healthy dose of EQ karma, BDA got it.

"Haha, BDA stopped banging their heads against the wall to fix the system here and instead went somewhere where literally everything about the raiding is better! What karma!"

[Vallanor]

I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that Redwiz, the biggest fucktard left on the server, talks and acts like a refugee from /r/redpill. How that douchenozzle managed to avoid the Chardok RMT purges is beyond me. "Beta males", lol.

I think he's trolling at this point. He can't possibly believe wall-staring longer and more intently than your competition so you can win a dragon foot race in an 18 year old non-racing game is an indication of alpha male status.

[Nexii]

It's a tragedy of the commons. Everyone's fighting for scraps rather than together to make the endgame more enjoyable. The server rules are not well thought out, but if I had to pick I'd say overpopulation is the bigger problem on P99.

[Maner]

Like Sirken would even know, he's never put in a second of socking under these rules. Totally dissociated from what is really going on, that got SOE into no end of trouble back in the day.

How many of the people who think they are the elite of the server even put in a real amount of FTE effort (you know, all the required clickies, having their alt-tab framerate destroying setup ready, etc)? Like TMO and the rest of the snotbeards through the server history, there is literally no difference between 90% of Awakened or Aftermath and anyone else in the server's endgame. Zilch. They aren't better or more organized at all. They don't put in any more effort at all.

How did SoE get into "trouble"? The PnP wasn't even enforced over all of their servers lol

[Dreenk317]

How did SoE get into "trouble"? The PnP wasn't even enforced over all of their servers lol

That's what he means I think. Not "trouble" in any legal sense of the word. But "trouble" from being disconnected and not enforcing the pnp in all cases (because they did enforce it, there was even a "jail" that was doorless room they would port you too for time outs, I've been there, it sucked). Being disconnected and making up rules that didn't really work is the "trouble" they got into.

[Llodd]

Well I would love to play EQ but i have FTE practice most of the day. When I'm not training my FTE I'm RMTing my winnings so I'll have even less time to actually play the game

People actually do this. Please be respectful.

[Tayy]

Either your willing to do what it takes to get what you want or your not.

I don't understand where all the hate comes from for the people who are willing to put more in to get more out. It's a matter of choice, put in work or don't, don't be all bitchy because things aren't the way you want them.

[TheDuck]

i didn't read this post but i find it highly ironic that red has 4x exp + 50% exp bonus for every grp member in ur grp, people are on there 4th BIS alt. it literally has no pvp. and if even show any remote promise that u will be able to attend raids the top guild on the server <Apex> will shower u in loots and PL's to get u to 60.

There is no variance, so u only ever have to log at a specific time, and kill the dragon, everyone already has the loot so everything will go to you. you will be fully geared within 3 months. of playing aprox 6 hours a week.

there is pvp as an extra aspect of the game if u want to add another facet to your game. but as i have said there is no pvp on the pvp server, there has to be more than 60 people playing on a red server with a velious expansion to see anyone ever. i play 6 hours a day and never see anyone.

Every thread i see here is hilarious, you blue players, the hardcore ones, get one piece of TOV loot(good ones) a year? if your lucky? Why dont you go to red. it is literally a ghost time and your time invested will be cut into seriously 1/20th of the time ud have to invest here to get 1 piece of good loot compared to several BIS characters on red. and u get to do all the content, every repop.


I truly do not understand. also if your basing your assumptions of how red server is, based on the forums. That is dumb, there is not a single person who plays on red who posts on the red forums as we know its all toxic banned or quit bitter players.

TLDR stop cucking yourselves to blue and go play red.

[Troubled]

They can go there and die the TMO death like they deserve.

[Skew]

i didn't read this post but i find it highly ironic that red has 4x exp + 50% exp bonus for every grp member in ur grp, people are on there 4th BIS alt. it literally has no pvp. and if even show any remote promise that u will be able to attend raids the top guild on the server <Apex> will shower u in loots and PL's to get u to 60.

There is no variance, so u only ever have to log at a specific time, and kill the dragon, everyone already has the loot so everything will go to you. you will be fully geared within 3 months. of playing aprox 6 hours a week.

there is pvp as an extra aspect of the game if u want to add another facet to your game. but as i have said there is no pvp on the pvp server, there has to be more than 60 people playing on a red server with a velious expansion to see anyone ever. i play 6 hours a day and never see anyone.

Every thread i see here is hilarious, you blue players, the hardcore ones, get one piece of TOV loot(good ones) a year? if your lucky? Why dont you go to red. it is literally a ghost time and your time invested will be cut into seriously 1/20th of the time ud have to invest here to get 1 piece of good loot compared to several BIS characters on red. and u get to do all the content, every repop.


I truly do not understand. also if your basing your assumptions of how red server is, based on the forums. That is dumb, there is not a single person who plays on red who posts on the red forums as we know its all toxic banned or quit bitter players.

TLDR stop cucking yourselves to blue and go play red.

EQ PvP is LOL and Reds got too many meth addicts.
Should explain it for you.

[Swish]

EQ PvP is LOL and Reds got too many meth addicts.
Should explain it for you.

I think that's hear say and not admissible as evidence. Sorry.

[Llodd]

Either your willing to do what it takes to get what you want or your not.

I don't understand where all the hate comes from for the people who are willing to put more in to get more out. It's a matter of choice, put in work or don't, don't be all bitchy because things aren't the way you want them.

Not really seeing much hate for people but rather the rules; obviously the no life neckbearding is piss take worthy as it should be :)

And what is this huge amount of work the warm bodies are putting in exactly?

[Skew]

I think that's hear say and not admissible as evidence. Sorry.

EQ pvp is terible. Evidence = EQ pvp and server population of 70.
Red full of methheads . Evidence = red forums and server population of 70.
Red shitposter to player ratio is almost 1:1

Red should be turned into a penal colony for blue. Every time a guild or indivudual is suspended they get character transferred to red for 10 days.

[Swish]

hehehe, the prison isn't the red server guys... don't know how much longer it'll be before you figure that out.

[maskedmelonpai]

And what is this huge amount of work the warm bodies are putting in exactly?

Not much, they just get top tier pixels playing casually. you can ridicule them as you see fit, but at the end of the day, they having fun getting stuff and experiencing content and you aren't even though the same options are available. That makes you a dummy.

Hope this helps.

[kotton05]

hehehe, the prison isn't the red server guys... don't know how much longer it'll be before you figure that out.

I had a fun time on red once I got out of smallme's pvp range

[skipdog]

Glad there is still a server where classic eq guilds have to compete with eachother for the best loot in the game. Thanks Sirken for making things clear. If you want easy uncontested instanced loot, go play somewhere else!

[JurisDictum]

Glad there is still a server where classic eq guilds have to compete with eachother for the best loot in the game. Thanks Sirken for making things clear. If you want easy uncontested instanced loot, go play somewhere else!

None of this is anything like classic.

Classic EQ wasn't a stakeout followed by a foot race....ever. It was never anything nearly that retarded, or it wouldn't have been popular as long as it was.

Waiting in camp for a single pull is about the closest thing to "free loot" that has ever existed in gaming. This is what the mostly takes place in the top guilds.

[Ravager]

Glad there is still a server where classic eq guilds have to compete with eachother for the best loot in the game. Thanks Sirken for making things clear. If you want easy uncontested instanced loot, go play somewhere else!

It's called Red. Go play there!

I recall years ago, Sirken and Deru were campaigning hard to get people to play Red, seems to me there's an easy way to do that by making Red the only server available that has competition, because that's what this is all about, amiright?

[JurisDictum]

They really should just allow 1-way transfers once every year or so...What are they afraid of? Ruining red? lol....

[skipdog]

It's called Red. Go play there!

I recall years ago, Sirken and Deru were campaigning hard to get people to play Red, seems to me there's an easy way to do that by making Red the only server available that has competition, because that's what this is all about, amiright?

Your post doesn't even make sense. The server is called blue and it's exactly what I want in a classic eq server. Sirken even confirmed that it's going to stay the way I love.

Kinda funny that so many former players from lower tier guilds who could never compete are constantly obsessed with the raid scene here.

[JurisDictum]

Kinda funny that so many former players from lower tier guilds who could never compete are constantly obsessed with the raid scene here.

Let's just say I have doze loot.

[Ravager]

Your post doesn't even make sense. The server is called blue and it's exactly what I want in a classic eq server. Sirken even confirmed that it's going to stay the way I love.

Kinda funny that so many former players from lower tier guilds who could never compete are constantly obsessed with the raid scene here.

A fixed speed foot race that is won simply by twitch reflexes and presence is not a competition.

There's a difference between can't and won't. Every single person with eyes, fingers and time are capable of what you erroneously label competition. Those that won't, won't because it's idiotic. There is nothing satisfying about what you call "competition" and it makes what could be an enjoyable past time, shit.

If these shitty raid mechanics were taken out, and all the "competitors" (lol) were sent to Red, and Blue was put on a (very classic) rotation, the Blue server would have 2-3k population every night (with many of the people you say can't cut it coming back) and Red would still have a population of 100 every night, because the 50 additional raiders they'd get saying they want "competition" would quit because they can't cut it there and they wouldn't have their warmbody supports, because they'd be happily rotating mobs on Blue.

[skipdog]

None of this is anything like classic.

Classic EQ wasn't a stakeout followed by a foot race....ever. It was never anything nearly that retarded, or it wouldn't have been popular as long as it was.

Waiting in camp for a single pull is about the closest thing to "free loot" that has ever existed in gaming. This is what the mostly takes place in the top guilds.

I never said the raiding rules here are exactly like classic. Can you even read? The point is that the best pixels should be mostly acquired by the guilds willing to put in the work. The definition of the 'work' has evolved and changed as the raiding rules have evolved and changed. Not every member of these guilds puts in the same amount of 'work' and that is ok... that's what DKP is for. Guilds need FTE'ers, a competent pull team, fresh warm bodies ready to respond to a batphone at various times of the day and then good communication/organization to not fuck up the one attempt. Everybody does their part. Very glad that Sirken confirmed that this server will remain what it has always been. Those who want instanced, easy loot are encouraged to go elsewhere, thanks Sirken!

[maskedmelonpai]

thread growing too many paragraphs :c

[Metalopolis]

I never said the raiding rules here are exactly like classic. Can you even read? The point is that the best pixels should be mostly acquired by the guilds willing to put in the work. The definition of the 'work' has evolved and changed as the raiding rules have evolved and changed. Not every member of these guilds puts in the same amount of 'work' and that is ok... that's what DKP is for. Guilds need FTE'ers, a competent pull team, fresh warm bodies ready to respond to a batphone at various times of the day and then good communication/organization to not fuck up the one attempt. Everybody does their part. Very glad that Sirken confirmed that this server will remain what it has always been. Those who want instanced, easy loot are encouraged to go elsewhere, thanks Sirken!

It's EXTREMELY easy to get top tier loot on P99 -- you simply join A or A and if a couple months time you're getting end game drops.

Literally any level 60 player on the server could warm body for A/A and get geared out. It's the definition of easy, trivial item acquisition.

[Daldaen]

Need Luclin and PoP for some competition.

[skipdog]

A fixed speed foot race that is won simply by twitch reflexes and presence is not a competition.

There's a difference between can't and won't. Every single person with eyes, fingers and time are capable of what you erroneously label competition. Those that won't, won't because it's idiotic. There is nothing satisfying about what you call "competition" and it makes what could be an enjoyable past time, shit.

If these shitty raid mechanics were taken out, and all the "competitors" (lol) were sent to Red, and Blue was put on a (very classic) rotation, the Blue server would have 2-3k population every night (with many of the people you say can't cut it coming back) and Red would still have a population of 100 every night, because the 50 additional raiders they'd get saying they want "competition" would quit because they can't cut it there and they wouldn't have their warmbody supports, because they'd be happily rotating mobs on Blue.

Ahh yes, the ol 'THE SERVER WOULD BE 2k-3k POP EVERY NIGHT IF THE MEANIES WOULD GO AWAY!' argument! Yeah, I'm sure that's realistic.

I understand that you don't think winning FTE footraces is fun for anybody. That's fine, people like different things. You probably didn't enjoy the lack of variance. You probably didn't enjoy the 'first to 15 in zone' rules. You probably didn't enjoy when we sat on spawns points instead of having footraces. You probably didn't enjoy the coth racing. But it sounds like you'd be happy rotating mobs. Not surprised... I mean do you even realize how few pixels each guild would get with a 10 guild rotation on everything? Why aren't you just happily playing on Phinny or any of the other classic emus and ignoring this forum forever? The fact is, you are just a sore loser who can never let it go. Just like Chest. Always destined to be a scrub in a low tier guild trying to bash those on the top. Always coming back to this forum to make fun of those who enjoy different things and those willing to put in the work to be the best.

[skipdog]

It's EXTREMELY easy to get top tier loot on P99 -- you simply join A or A and if a couple months time you're getting end game drops.

Literally any level 60 player on the server could warm body for A/A and get geared out. It's the definition of easy, trivial item acquisition.

Ahh yes, the 'ol 'ANYBODY COULD JOIN THE BEST TEAM AND WIN TOO' argument. What is your point? Yes, if you join one of the top guilds on the server and put in a ton of time and work, you will get rewarded for your time and work. Isn't that the point?

Trivial? Do you know how many raids one must attend to get one piece of BiS loot on average? It's certainly not a trivial amount of time.

[Ravager]

Ahh yes, the ol 'THE SERVER WOULD BE 2k-3k POP EVERY NIGHT IF THE MEANIES WOULD GO AWAY!' argument! Yeah, I'm sure that's realistic.

I understand that you don't think winning FTE footraces is fun for anybody. That's fine, people like different things. You probably didn't enjoy the lack of variance. You probably didn't enjoy the 'first to 15 in zone' rules. You probably didn't enjoy when we sat on spawns points instead of having footraces. You probably didn't enjoy the coth racing. But it sounds like you'd be happy rotating mobs. Not surprised... I mean do you even realize how few pixels each guild would get with a 10 guild rotation on everything? Why aren't you just happily playing on Phinny or any of the other classic emus and ignoring this forum forever? The fact is, you are just a sore loser who can never let it go. Just like Chest. Always destined to be a scrub in a low tier guild trying to bash those on the top. Always coming back to this forum to make fun of those who enjoy different things and those willing to put in the work to be the best.
Answer honestly, how would you feel if a 2nd Blue server were opened, as far in the timeline as the current Blue server (no legacy items) but all raid mobs are on rotation? You'd get to keep your "competitive" server which is so great to so many people, and those that just want to play classic EQ in a bullshit free way can as well. Everyone gets a choice of what they want to do. Would you object to that?

[JurisDictum]

Those who want instanced, easy loot are encouraged to go elsewhere, thanks Sirken!

Or they can just stay here...On this server with an not-classic raid scene that facilitates "warm bodies" getting easy loot.

[maskedmelonpai]

Or they can just stay here...On this server with an not-classic raid scene that facilitates "warm bodies" getting easy loot.

This is SO true. If you a casual and want to get loot, you can do that very well here on p99. Just join A/A/R/AG/E/O and you can see all sorts of neat stuff and get loots. No need to sit around being angry that some players have more free time or are better organized or interested in doing things you aren't. Just Jon up and have fun. All those guilds are super easy to join :3

[JurisDictum]

The only point people are trying to make here (that I see), is that it's not classic (the server goal) and its not fun (so why break with the server goal?).


I understand that you don't think winning FTE footraces is fun for anybody. That's fine, people like different things. You probably didn't enjoy the lack of variance. You probably didn't enjoy the 'first to 15 in zone' rules. You probably didn't enjoy when we sat on spawns points instead of having footraces. You probably didn't enjoy the coth racing. But it sounds like you'd be happy rotating mobs.

Yep. I'm guessing the vast majority of people that play here never really wanted to stare at walls week after week. Go figure.

[Raev]

Glad there is still a server where classic eq guilds have to compete with eachother for the best loot in the game. Thanks Sirken for making things clear. If you want easy uncontested instanced loot, go play somewhere else!

Just to be clear, I beat P99. Shroud/Abashi's/10th Ring/Monkpants and a few other random items. And I did it without poopsocking, which is really twice the victory!

[Phantasm]

We're glad you beat p99, please don't come back

JK, Cabilis welcomes her own

[Deliverence]

I recall having raid schedule rotations in Classic EQ....

I would ravage the shit out of every guild with perma ban sticks if they don't comply.

Our population is high enough anyways, so who gives a crap if leaders get banned and guilds crumble. The price you pay for being a bunch of greedy mofo'ing asshats. That goes for anyone who behaves in this manner. Comply with rotation, stop poopsocking like useless no life nerds.

[Maner]

I recall having raid schedule rotations in Classic EQ....

I would ravage the shit out of every guild with perma ban sticks if they don't comply.

Our population is high enough anyways, so who gives a crap if leaders get banned and guilds crumble. The price you pay for being a bunch of greedy mofo'ing asshats. That goes for anyone who behaves in this manner. Comply with rotation, stop poopsocking like useless no life nerds.

So now your personal recollection is some kind of proof that rotations were the norm not an outlier during in era EQ?

[Swish]

If the current system keeps bad guilds off the server and on Phinny I'm all for the status quo on blue. Keep it up.

[Mistle]

So now your personal recollection is some kind of proof that rotations were the norm not an outlier during in era EQ?

Have you ever stepped back, sat down, and thought about how you and your kind were so poorly thought of that first mmorpg systems and then entire mmorpgs were developed around the core concept of people not ever having to interact with you or even be around you?

Did you ever take the time to sit down and reflect on what that says about you?

[JurisDictum]

So now your personal recollection is some kind of proof that rotations were the norm not an outlier during in era EQ?

Most servers had one raid guild that could barely kill the targets over 2 1/2 days. So it probably didn't come up a lot. Even servers where there were multiple high end guilds, it was nothing like this single pulling to zone nonsense on here (right after spawn).

Look, I realize you guys have figured out a way to do dragons in 20 minutes that normally would take hours of clearing. I imagine almost none of you think its a good idea to change the status quo on single pulling dragons to zone.

I'm just pointing out that if you actually want this server to play like classic at all, the raiding would look vastly different.

Chardok was shit too. I'm glade they fixed that pile-of-garbage-lopehole-that-should-have-never-gone-on-for-years. It's not about what the players doing Chardok want...it's about making the server classic.

I want classic EQ to exist somewhere on the internet...and I feel like p99 is about 99% there. There's just these stupid raid rules in the way.

We could at least do one god damn quake a week (instead of normal spawns) and improve shit that way. Anything is better than staring at a god damn wall. There's about as many people that enjoy being raped as there are people that enjoy that.

[Swish]

Most servers had one raid guild that could barely kill the targets over 2 1/2 days. So it probably didn't come up a lot. Even servers where there were multiple high end guilds, it was nothing like this single pulling to zone nonsense on here (right after spawn).

Look, I realize you guys have figured out a way to do dragons in 20 minutes that normally would take hours of clearing. I imagine almost none of you think its a good idea to change the status quo on single pulling dragons to zone.

I'm just pointing out that if you actually want this server to play like classic at all, the raiding would look vastly different.

Chardok was shit too. I'm glade they fixed that pile-of-garbage-lopehole-that-should-have-never-gone-on-for-years. It's not about what the players doing Chardok want...it's about making the server classic.

I want classic EQ to exist somewhere on the internet...and I feel like p99 is about 99% there. There's just these stupid raid rules in the way.

We could at least do one god damn quake a week (instead of normal spawns) and improve shit that way. Anything is better than staring at a god damn wall. There's about as many people that enjoy being raped as there are people that enjoy that.

+1000

[Tasslehofp99]

Prexus had a rotation up until like velious.


I think it dissolved around then, and never came back.

[Maner]

Most servers had one raid guild that could barely kill the targets over 2 1/2 days. So it probably didn't come up a lot. Even servers where there were multiple high end guilds, it was nothing like this single pulling to zone nonsense on here (right after spawn).

Look, I realize you guys have figured out a way to do dragons in 20 minutes that normally would take hours of clearing. I imagine almost none of you think its a good idea to change the status quo on single pulling dragons to zone.

I'm just pointing out that if you actually want this server to play like classic at all, the raiding would look vastly different.

Chardok was shit too. I'm glade they fixed that pile-of-garbage-lopehole-that-should-have-never-gone-on-for-years. It's not about what the players doing Chardok want...it's about making the server classic.

I want classic EQ to exist somewhere on the internet...and I feel like p99 is about 99% there. There's just these stupid raid rules in the way.

We could at least do one god damn quake a week (instead of normal spawns) and improve shit that way. Anything is better than staring at a god damn wall. There's about as many people that enjoy being raped as there are people that enjoy that.

you dont think things would have been pulled to zone ins eventually had live stalled out in kunark or velious?

[Maner]

Have you ever stepped back, sat down, and thought about how you and your kind were so poorly thought of that first mmorpg systems and then entire mmorpgs were developed around the core concept of people not ever having to interact with you or even be around you?

Did you ever take the time to sit down and reflect on what that says about you?

my kind? i am a warm body player but keep thinking my input in the raid scene holds any weight at all. The current rules were set BECAUSE of people like you complaining about cothing, how did that turn out?

[toastyoven]

Imo the biggest contributing factor to the way raiding on p99 is the fact that it was never meant to be raided like this. EQ classic up to velious did not support this many competitive players for one single raid zone like ToV.

I know it wont change but 16 hour windows, 3-7 day spawns for this many competitive raiders. It just cant handle it and forces this type of raid style if we like it or not. /shrug

[Llodd]

you dont think things would have been pulled to zone ins eventually had live stalled out in kunark or velious?

Well, it is likely isnt it. (forget the no tov bind and other non classic shit on this server for a moment that would hinder it)

The question then is; would soe have done anything about guilds bypassing all the content to get to the nameds?

[Llodd]

Not much, they just get top tier pixels playing casually. you can ridicule them as you see fit, but at the end of the day, they having fun getting stuff and experiencing content and you aren't even though the same options are available. That makes you a dummy.

Hope this helps.

Not really. I wasn't ridiculing them.

Lets talk about the 'experiencing content' you mention. Is experiencing content logging in for 20 minutes (15 of those minutes sitting doing practically nothing) and killing a named that is brought to zone in?

[Swish]

Imo the biggest contributing factor to the way raiding on p99 is the fact that it was never meant to be raided like this. EQ classic up to velious did not support this many competitive players for one single raid zone like ToV.


So try red server? Plenty of room for more people who want to raid....


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[maskedmelonpai]

Most servers had one raid guild that could barely kill the targets over 2 1/2 days. So it probably didn't come up a lot. Even servers where there were multiple high end guilds, it was nothing like this single pulling to zone nonsense on here (right after spawn).

Look, I realize you guys have figured out a way to do dragons in 20 minutes that normally would take hours of clearing. I imagine almost none of you think its a good idea to change the status quo on single pulling dragons to zone.

I'm just pointing out that if you actually want this server to play like classic at all, the raiding would look vastly different.

Chardok was shit too. I'm glade they fixed that pile-of-garbage-lopehole-that-should-have-never-gone-on-for-years. It's not about what the players doing Chardok want...it's about making the server classic.

I want classic EQ to exist somewhere on the internet...and I feel like p99 is about 99% there. There's just these stupid raid rules in the way.

We could at least do one god damn quake a week (instead of normal spawns) and improve shit that way. Anything is better than staring at a god damn wall. There's about as many people that enjoy being raped as there are people that enjoy that.

This a good post and if we want a more classic experience, then should probably root ntov mobs and make people crawl to them. That does not help casuals at all though :c Not everyone has the time to sit around for hours clearing trash. The only people who could manage it regularly are the ones waiting on dragons now. it not a solution that would benefit casuals at all :/ it sure would be a classic change though ^^ more earthquakes would be a super good idea though ^°^

[maskedmelonpai]

Not really. I wasn't ridiculing them.

Lets talk about the 'experiencing content' you mention. Is experiencing content logging in for 20 minutes (15 of those minutes sitting doing practically nothing) and killing a named that is brought to zone in?

Sure that is experiencing content, so is raiding HoT and wtov ^^ and if you like wasting time killing high end trash, you can do that too whenever you like. The truth though is, nobody wants to do that or they would have already ^^ there are several named mobs that are often left up, but nobody go after them in a crawl because clearing trash takes a lot of time from everyone and just isn't fun.

I can see the argument that you wanna be able to plan and schedule a crawl or something, liek set aside eight hours on a weekend to crawl around tov. That not very casual though :/

[Llodd]

Sure that is experiencing content, so is raiding HoT and wtov ^^ and if you like wasting time killing high end trash, you can do that too whenever you like. The truth though is, nobody wants to do that or they would have already ^^ there are several named mobs that are often left up, but nobody go after them in a crawl because clearing trash takes a lot of time from everyone and just isn't fun.

CSG already tried it. It's just not possible with the current ruleset.

If people cant be bothered to pull a mob to zone in thats left up when you don't have to clear the trash of course they're not going to go for it if you do have to clear the trash, right!? ;) Anyway, your mild irony aside, our definition of content (and verants/soe's) is rather different :rolleyes:

How is loggin in for, in essence, 5 mins fun? It's pure and simply pixel lust - a sad addiction.

I can see the argument that you wanna be able to plan and schedule a crawl or something, liek set aside eight hours on a weekend to crawl around tov. That not very casual though :/

If you can only make that crawl once in a while and experience the actual content, that would still satisfy many. Remember, the casual scum don't get a lot of the pixels anyway, it's unlikely to make much difference to them.

Stuff would be spread round more because the warmbody casuals in A/A would be in the same boat as the casuals in the other guilds. You couldnt dominate content with 20 or so scrubs with way too much time on their hands if everyone had to put the same amount of effort and time into it. (All the no-lifers would probably congregate into one guild, that would be pretty funny ! )

This is why A/A are so vehemently against classic EQ.

[maskedmelonpai]

CSG already tried it. It's just not possible with the current ruleset.

If people cant be bothered to pull a mob to zone in thats left up when you don't have to clear the trash of course they're not going to go for it if you do have to clear the trash, right!? ;) Anyway, your mild irony aside, our definition of content (and verants/soe's) is rather different :rolleyes:

How is loggin in for, in essence, 5 mins fun? It's pure and simply pixel lust - a sad addiction.



If you can only make that crawl once in a while and experience the actual content, that would still satisfy many. Remember, the casual scum don't get a lot of the pixels anyway, it's unlikely to make much difference to them.

Stuff would be spread round more because the warmbody casuals in A/A would be in the same boat as the casuals in the other guilds. You couldnt dominate content with 20 or so scrubs with way too much time on their hands if everyone had to put the same amount of effort and time into it. (All the no-lifers would probably congregate into one guild, that would be pretty funny ! )

This is why A/A are so vehemently against classic EQ.

You talkin out both sides you mouth Llod ^^ You can crawl ntov anytime you like. It unlikely you gonna find a dragon that you can kill at the end, but pixels don't matter right? Oh, maybe they do..

If you get trained, you just petition and the offending guild will be suspended.

There also as I said are lotsa times that certain dragons are not killed instantly and can be crawled to if players want to. There was even a post recently in server chat about one. It was left up for several days and finally killed by Rustle I think after nobody expressed any interest in it.

This is not a hardcore vs. casual issue, it an issue between hardcores (ones who are winning and ones who are losing :c ). casuals have all sorts of options and while not entirely classic, the present environment allows casuals to participate in far more encounters than we would otherwise.

[maskedmelonpai]

I think you right though about pooling of 'talent' if players are forced to clear. You'd end up with all the neckbeards condensing into one guild that would run tov like on live :/

[kotton05]

Here it goes:

I have been in a guild that the only way to get a mob was to live on the spawn point (full circle, thanks tmo) and while we had success at it it wasnt sustainable. I'm looking at you nerds who fuck up the golem spawns by sitting on them. Stop it, race like everyone else, you can't sustain it.

I've been in guilds that insta pull and pre camp at any time as well. Those guilds live or die by the pixel and one bad week can sway the morale a lot. While fun it wasn't after awhile , this was pre FTE shouts. I got way more pixels in fe/tmo consistently due to this method. This was around the start of fte races and class system.

Fast forward to now. A small guild now has the ability to put one racer on the line and lock in an attempt for a dragon at least in ToV. This was never a thing and totally caters to casuals, I call that a fair chance at the spawn. Arguing classic /non classic will get you no where. But I do think rooted dragons would be fun but increase the level of shit show 1000% if awakened trained us on a vulak at ent think how easy that train would be to get away with deep in ToV🤔 But I don't care I'll meet anyone out back to 1v1 irl.

[Mythanor]

You talkin out both sides you mouth Llod ^^ You can crawl ntov anytime you like. It unlikely you gonna find a dragon that you can kill at the end, but pixels don't matter right? Oh, maybe they do..

If you get trained, you just petition and the offending guild will be suspended.

There also as I said are lotsa times that certain dragons are not killed instantly and can be crawled to if players want to. There was even a post recently in server chat about one. It was left up for several days and finally killed by Rustle I think after nobody expressed any interest in it.

This is not a hardcore vs. casual issue, it an issue between hardcores (ones who are winning and ones who are losing :c ). casuals have all sorts of options and while not entirely classic, the present environment allows casuals to participate in far more encounters than we would otherwise.

And again you totally miss the point , probably due to how far your nose is buried up A/ A's ass.... Can you still the Sun the far up there?

[Muggens]

EQ design is not perfect and perhaps a restructure on p99 would be nice:

Instead of one huge bland dungeon with lots of dragons, you have several less huge bland dungeons with some dragons? They could all be in WW even.

Would it the help raid scene?

[maskedmelonpai]

And again you totally miss the point , probably due to how far your nose is buried up A/ A's ass.... Can you still the Sun the far up there?

You don't have to be nasty about it. I just pointing out that there are lots of options for casuals like me ^^ I know they not for everyone, but I do t think people should go around being all sour because they are powerless. Make the best of things and have fun^^ if you upset that your team is losing, join another team ^^ if you wanna see dragons, go where the dragons are ^^ if you wanna crush the team that is stomping you, make a better team ^^ there all sorts of options and they all available to you.

There a lotta joy to be had in following too though ^^

[maskedmelonpai]

Also Myth, it funny that you criticize me as having my nose in A/A butt just because I have chosen to enjoy the journey and seek my own way to happiness rather than insisting the world sate my desires. the world dont do that. it don't care about you. you don't matter and you can't change most things, so find what works and how best to be happy ^^ you might be surprised.

[HouseTargaryen]

Can someone please make a Poll about this subject so we can get an idea who is on what side?

[kotton05]

What helped the raid scene the most is velious. Kunark was worse with classic being the most aids. There isn't a clear cut solution aside from random earthquakes or something like that.

[Mythanor]

At any point did I say which side of the fence I'm on? You make assumptions, in an attempt to bury that nose a bit further up there, all the while calling anyone that doesnt neckbear/ poopsock harder then your mates *Losers* *Losing*. etc. Which again goes back to my original point, you are so blind from shit encrusted eyelids that you are missing the point, no one is asking for *welfare pixels*.. not a single person. Read all those posts again , and see where that's asked for by any of the CSG guild reps. Then come back and claim your not a A-One grade ass kisser.

[Ella`Ella]

EQ design is not perfect and perhaps a restructure on p99 would be nice:

Instead of one huge bland dungeon with lots of dragons, you have several less huge bland dungeons with some dragons? They could all be in WW even.

Would it the help raid scene?

EQ design is exceptional. You nerds continue to pollute it with what you think it should be and rules to mold it to your play style. EQ wasn't meant for everyone to see all of its content or wield all possible pixels.

Like real life, some were meant to rise to the top and don the finest dragon loots while others will barely afford iron rations.

[Llodd]

You talkin out both sides you mouth Llod ^^ You can crawl ntov anytime you like. It unlikely you gonna find a dragon that you can kill at the end, but pixels don't matter right? Oh, maybe they do..

If you get trained, you just petition and the offending guild will be suspended.

There also as I said are lotsa times that certain dragons are not killed instantly and can be crawled to if players want to. There was even a post recently in server chat about one. It was left up for several days and finally killed by Rustle I think after nobody expressed any interest in it.

This is not a hardcore vs. casual issue, it an issue between hardcores (ones who are winning and ones who are losing :c ). casuals have all sorts of options and while not entirely classic, the present environment allows casuals to participate in far more encounters than we would otherwise.

It's just sad that you have to sell your soul to participate ;p

Sevelak was left up sure, he was left up for guilds to practice the current lame zone pulling tactic, not for someone to attempt a crawl. That was the idea behind it. None of them went for it, so yeah one of the more experienced guilds eventually downed him. Ofcourse it's not just about the crawl. The pixels are nice. And crawling without a boss mob at the end is lame. Point is you don't see A/A wanting to crawl for their pixels, but you do see more casuals guilds willing to do so. That in itself is telling. Casuals willing to put more work in haha

Fwiw I'm not advocating rotations at all even if I wouldnt mind them. Strict rotations alone would get boring. I'd love to see a rotation of rulesets - no csr 1 month, fte racing the next, rotations the next, the options are endless and could be really invigorating. There is room for all types of fun on this server. Anyway it's all pretty pointless, ppl have been saying the same shit for years.

[xKoopa]

It's just sad that you have to sell your soul to participate ;p

Sevelak was left up sure, he was left up for guilds to practice the current lame zone pulling tactic, not for someone to attempt a crawl. That was the idea behind it. None of them went for it, so yeah one of the more experienced guilds eventually downed him. Ofcourse it's not just about the crawl. The pixels are nice. And crawling without a boss mob at the end is lame. Point is you don't see A/A wanting to crawl for their pixels, but you do see more casuals guilds willing to do so. That in itself is telling. Casuals willing to put more work in haha

Fwiw I'm not advocating rotations at all even if I wouldnt mind them. Strict rotations alone would get boring. I'd love to see a rotation of rulesets - no csr 1 month, fte racing the next, rotations the next, the options are endless and could be really invigorating. There is room for all types of fun on this server. Anyway it's all pretty pointless, ppl have been saying the same shit for years.

Just to clarify, what casual guilds want to crawl thru ntov? I heard they pull to zone just like the hardcores do

[skipdog]

Point is you don't see A/A wanting to crawl for their pixels, but you do see more casuals guilds willing to do so. That in itself is telling. Casuals willing to put more work in haha

That's because there is no point in crawling. If crawling would help get FTEs, it would happen. It has nothing to do with more work. Long Plane of Growth clears seem to satisfy most people's crawling desires.

[Raev]

Just to clarify, what casual guilds want to crawl thru ntov? I heard they pull to zone just like the hardcores do

CSG tried this one and was repeatedly trained. The only successful crawl was when A/A were somehow distracted and they COHed up to Cekenar. And they still got trained.

Also, NTOV was designed for 1 crawl with multiple bosses. No one wants to do 30 hours of NTOV flurries every week (although, WTB Kael Plate MQs . .)

But yes, I kind of laugh at the idea that P99 pixels are somehow more legitimate when the average dragon takes 5 minutes to pull to zone in and kill. After Haynar fixes chase distance then I hope Nilbog blocks binding in TOV then runs some sort of query to find all people bound in TOV and rebind them just outside. It's still probably possible to zone pull but at least it will be harder.

[bigjerry]

hey what's A/A stand for? also who's the new BDA top guild nowadays?

[kotton05]

If we can adapt to 96 hour Windows with extended variance. We can adapt to anything

[Papa]

#rootthedragons #classiceverquest

[Ravager]

That's because there is no point in crawling. If crawling would help get FTEs, it would happen. It has nothing to do with more work. Long Plane of Growth clears seem to satisfy most people's crawling desires.
If there's no point in playing the content, what's the point in acquiring pixel upgrades?

Also, you didn't answer my previous question:
Answer honestly, how would you feel if a 2nd Blue server were opened, as far in the timeline as the current Blue server (no legacy items) but all raid mobs are on rotation? You'd get to keep your "competitive" server which is so great to so many people, and those that just want to play classic EQ in a bullshit free way can as well. Everyone gets a choice of what they want to do. Would you object to that?

[skipdog]

If there's no point in playing the content, what's the point in acquiring pixel upgrades?

Also, you didn't answer my previous question:

I'm talking about there being a practical point to doing crawls. As in, there is no point to crawl 'just for fun', when it is not necessary. If that's how you had to win dragons... by crawling through ToV, then I'd be crawling on a regular basis, as the activity would no longer be pointless. Not sure what point you are trying to make. I don't care if the contest involves footraces or crawling.

As far as the answer to your question, why would I care if more servers with carebear rules exist? Add it to the list of classic carebear servers, makes no difference to me.

I'm just glad that Sirken made things very clear and that this competitive server will remain what it is.

[Ravager]

I'm talking about there being a practical point to doing crawls. As in, there is no point to crawl 'just for fun', when it is not necessary. If that's how you had to win dragons... by crawling through ToV, then I'd be crawling on a regular basis, as the activity would no longer be pointless. Not sure what point you are trying to make. I don't care if the contest involves footraces or crawling.
The point is, if all you're doing is logging in for 15 minutes to kill dragons that were killed with Kunark gear, what's the point of getting better loot?

It kinda undermines this point you make:
The point is that the best pixels should be mostly acquired by the guilds willing to put in the work.

What's the point of doing all the work (and making other people do the work) for the best pixels if you're not even going to use them to play the game?

[khanable]

Because having good pixels is better than having ok pixels

And more importantly, other people don't have said good pixels

This is one of the things that made eq, eq

[Skew]

hey what's A/A stand for? also who's the new BDA top guild nowadays?

There can be only 1 BDA.
After being P99s bottom bitch for several years , BDA moved onto Phinny to see if the pillows taste any better there.

[sirelothar]

There can be only 1 BDA.
After being P99s bottom bitch for several years , BDA moved onto Phinny to see if the pillows taste any better there.

They taste so good here that we actively promote pillow eating. We're going to be enjoying elemental planes here in no time and digging deep into PoTime :) All the PoP raids are so much better than sitting there hoping to get FTE !!!!

[Ravager]

There can be only 1 BDA.
After being P99s bottom bitch for several years , BDA moved onto Phinny to see if the pillows taste any better there.

Considering how many "top" guilds have come and gone on this server, largely made up of the same recycled warm bodies and that BDA is still intact with much of it's core, you may want to reconsider who the bottom bitches are in this scenario.

[Muggens]

EQ design is exceptional. You nerds continue to pollute it with what you think it should be and rules to mold it to your play style. EQ wasn't meant for everyone to see all of its content or wield all possible pixels.

Like real life, some were meant to rise to the top and don the finest dragon loots while others will barely afford iron rations.

I enjoy logging on this server and don't really care about how it is managed/ruled so long as we have this classic experience(no more expacs). I am a "casual warmbody" in Europa and have alot of fun here in my own pace, so I am not complaining.

My suggestion/idea thrown out was just a theory in how to do some "custom content" but keep it classic. I too think EQ is an exceptional game(my favorite) but ToV isnt exactly impressive compared to other amazing dungeons in this game. Maybe it would be easier to "section it up"?

To me personally, the racing/poopsocking life seems unhealthy/lonely/waste of time, but if people want to do it its not my prerogative to tell them otherwise.

[skipdog]

The point is, if all you're doing is logging in for 15 minutes to kill dragons that were killed with Kunark gear, what's the point of getting better loot?

It kinda undermines this point you make:

"If all you are doing is logging in to kill the toughest targets in the game and get the best loot in the game, then what is the point of getting better loot"? Really? You are asking what the point of getting better loot is? It's to gear our characters up. What a silly question. You know there is far more involved in getting these kills then a zerg force capable of logging in from a batphone... or maybe you don't. That wouldn't surprise me.

What's the point of doing all the work (and making other people do the work) for the best pixels if you're not even going to use them to play the game?

Again, not sure what your point here is. I'd say killing the top and most powerful dragons in Norath is 'playing the game'. I'd say doing long ass PoG clears is 'playing the game'. HoT raids going all night into the whee hours of the morning is 'playing the game'. What exact thing do you define as 'playing the game'? Crawling through ToV? Sounds fun and if there was a point to it, I'd be all for it.

[maskedmelonpai]

At any point did I say which side of the fence I'm on? You make assumptions, in an attempt to bury that nose a bit further up there, all the while calling anyone that doesnt neckbear/ poopsock harder then your mates *Losers* *Losing*. etc. Which again goes back to my original point, you are so blind from shit encrusted eyelids that you are missing the point, no one is asking for *welfare pixels*.. not a single person. Read all those posts again , and see where that's asked for by any of the CSG guild reps. Then come back and claim your not a A-One grade ass kisser.

I dunno who is in csg and I include csg in with a/a/r as an option to see neat content. only thing I assume is that you are not a very happy person. no poo on my face sorry. there are jerks (people who act like you) in every guild, but they no more prevalent in a/a/r than in other guilds.

As for being a "loser," I didn't say you were one or anyone else specifically, just if you not winning, you losing unless you don't care like me, then you winning all the time. not gonna try to help you anymore, you can throw your nasty attitude in someone else's direction （＾ν＾）

[bigjerry]

does it stand for awakened/anonymous? please help

[maskedmelonpai]

It for Awakened / Aftermath, J (^.~)v

[Ravager]

"If all you are doing is logging in to kill the toughest targets in the game and get the best loot in the game, then what is the point of getting better loot"? Really? You are asking what the point of getting better loot is? It's to gear our characters up. What a silly question. You know there is far more involved in getting these kills then a zerg force capable of logging in from a batphone... or maybe you don't. That wouldn't surprise me.



Again, not sure what your point here is. I'd say killing the top and most powerful dragons in Norath is 'playing the game'. I'd say doing long ass PoG clears is 'playing the game'. HoT raids going all night into the whee hours of the morning is 'playing the game'. What exact thing do you define as 'playing the game'? Crawling through ToV? Sounds fun and if there was a point to it, I'd be all for it.

Well you've made it plain problem is you, since this is all you think there is to the game and you think everyone else should cater to that. Thanks for clearing it up.

[Phantasm]

Man people gonna always want loot. Why you think people play this game? I stuck it out in BDA for the cybors and loot ration box. If not for the loot i dare say i may have left (naw they had good cybors)

[Ravager]

Why you think people play this game?
For sexy ladies.

[NecroP99]

It really bothers me when I see some (not all) of the casual guilds acting like the staff doesn't care about them, and never does anything to help them. We dramatically shorted the variance window from what it was as a direct response to casual guilds complaining that it was too big (and lets be honest, hardcore guilds hated it and complained about it too), so we agreed to shorten the windows on the condition that players would stop poopsocking; we held up our end of the bargain, players did not.

So let me get this straight. You lower the variance so casual guilds can have a better chance, the hardcore guilds continue to break the no socking rule, so the solution is to make any playstyle other than socking invalid...

At this point, we will not entertain offers from players that involve the promise to stop the sock (because they already spent that card, and the staff is still awaiting it to be delivered), and we will not offer to shorten the variance any more (for the same reason).

a zero variance raid environment is what benefits causal guilds - this is pretty clear because they could organize specific times to log in and would not need trackers. So - again - your solution is to put multi day variances on the table that only 2 guilds of 100 people track.

I am not sure why you can not see that this medium length variance is EXACTLY what the large guilds want/need. 1 week variance they couldn't sustain, shorter variance more guilds would compete - but you have it at the literal breaking point of what any 'normal' gamer could take and so the neckbeards reign supreme.

No varience or 7 day varience - the middle area is the lair of the unemployed and why people hate P99 at level 60.

[NecroP99]

^now that's how u write a post no real n@gg@ will ever attempt to read. good show

BigGay sh!tting on my posts like Trump on immigrants - well played

[Pokesan]

i thought it was remarkably coherent, considering the author

[bigjerry]

i thought it was remarkably coherent, considering the author

ud have to read it to know that

sorry you lost

also, my post got pared -- uh oh feeling heat

[JurisDictum]

This idea of upping variance to an unsustainable level will just mean that hardcore guilds will causally track (rather than intently staring at the screen ready to yell POP) and then batphone the mobs. Honestly -- they don't see this --- but it would probably help them out.

Vulak and Doze might still be face tracked however....unless it was literally like a week variance.

[Llodd]

That's because there is no point in crawling. If crawling would help get FTEs, it would happen. It has nothing to do with more work. Long Plane of Growth clears seem to satisfy most people's crawling desires.

Yeah I know, it was a play on the "you gotta be willing to put more work in" crap that some posters keep espousing, the irony amused me :D

[kotton05]

This idea of upping variance to an unsustainable level will just mean that hardcore guilds will causally track (rather than intently staring at the screen ready to yell POP) and then batphone the mobs. Honestly -- they don't see this --- but it would probably help them out.

Vulak and Doze might still be face tracked however....unless it was literally like a week variance.

Did you experience the 96 hour Windows with extended variance in kunark? For those that don't know they programmed an extended variance into the window all stealth like one trakanon and kept it. Basically if a mobs window rolled into the last half the whole window would then refill another day till it didn't fall into the last half. There was a handful of mobs that would only pop like once every two weeks.

What did p99? Sock harder

[JurisDictum]

Did you experience the 96 hour Windows with extended variance in kunark? For those that don't know they programmed an extended variance into the window all stealth like one trakanon and kept it. Basically if a mobs window rolled into the last half the whole window would then refill another day till it didn't fall into the last half. There was a handful of mobs that would only pop like once every two weeks.

What did p99? Sock harder

There was less targets in Kunark that were doable by 19 dropable geared characters. This is why there generally was a 1 guild monopoly rather than 2 competing guilds. The leverage the monopoly guild's leadership had was much higher over the playerbase -- so could coerce people to track (a smaller number of targets) more regularly.

I really don't see the current raid scene socking a lot of the raid targets that long except the more important ones. They can't force anyone to track because the raids take too many players and 2 different guilds compete for available players. So they would have to prioritize targets.

[JurisDictum]

This is the kind of mentality that is wrong with the casuals. I don't often commend Sirken but I do in this situation. Why? Because no matter the situation and no matter who you are trying to cater to, someone will always try and get the upper hand. Move A/A to red? Next up and coming guild will decide they want more and will become the new A/A in time and someone will complain. You can't cater to everyone so you need to cater to the people who are willing to invest the most time into the project. I'm not saying it's smart to spend all your time in EQ but there are literally plenty of other progression type servers where you can play instanced raiding while still getting the dose of "OGC is better than AoS." The mentality still exists there but instead MQ is used.

When classic EQ was in Velious, 0 Targets were up in NToV. I was on Povar and Triton was clearing it constantly so the number 2 guild would not have a shot. People gravitate towards this game because the more time you put in, the more you will get. People like the feeling of superiority in video games. That applies to playing an Multi-player FPS with friends, Raiding instances in WoW or to classic EQ. In Everquest to feel superior you need to neckbeard and it is neckbearding to the fullest extent. Some people thrive and love that. Those people will always shit on the people who aren't willing to. This will always be the issue, there is no solution to the problem. The game was created this way and always has been this way. Anything different isn't classic Everquest.

Don't you see the kind of circular logic at play here? Well people don't want to raid because there is too much socking, we better just cater to the people that want to sock because they are the ones willing to sock.

Theoretically, this server isn't even about what people want. Its about making the game classic. If the developers of EQ saw the kind of instant single pulling to zone that exists here -- do honestly think they would be OK with that?

This is clearly not how the game was designed to work. There were all kinds of stupid exploits that people took advantage of that never existed on p99. This is because it was obviously not how the game was supposed to work. When AD found a way to kill The Sleeper through an exploit -- they weren't congratulated for their innovation -- they were all suspended.

It was always a tiny minority of people that thought EQ was all about beating some guild to the spawn. It didn't even exist on most servers (which only had 1 raid guild). This whole play style is a bastardization of EQ.

#MakeThemCrawl

[Detoxx]

Did you experience the 96 hour Windows with extended variance in kunark? For those that don't know they programmed an extended variance into the window all stealth like one trakanon and kept it. Basically if a mobs window rolled into the last half the whole window would then refill another day till it didn't fall into the last half. There was a handful of mobs that would only pop like once every two weeks.

What did p99? Sock harder

Come on now Merkk don't lie! First it was 24 hour added window if it was due to spawn in the last 15% of the 96 hour window and we all know FE was the only guild that socked. Those 7 day exp groups in VS pit bro, never forget! haha

I vividly remember TMO never getting VS because we werent willing to sock it like that lol

[Detoxx]

There was less targets in Kunark that were doable by 19 dropable geared characters. This is why there generally was a 1 guild monopoly rather than 2 competing guilds. The leverage the monopoly guild's leadership had was much higher over the playerbase -- so could coerce people to track (a smaller number of targets) more regularly.

I really don't see the current raid scene socking a lot of the raid targets that long except the more important ones. They can't force anyone to track because the raids take too many players and 2 different guilds compete for available players. So they would have to prioritize targets.

80% of all Velious mobs are killable with 20 people or less. There's like 15 mobs that aren't slowable:

Vindi, Velk, Kreizenn, Vyemm, AoW, Dain, CT, Yelinak, Tunare, KT, Eashen, Ikatiar, WToV. Of those, only 4 need more than 35 to kill even still. Quite honestly, Kunark dragons can wipe out a raid force faster and more easily than almost any Velious mob. Enrage and Gate can be a bitch with thoes unavoidable AoEs.

[kotton05]

Come on now Merkk don't lie! First it was 24 hour added window if it was due to spawn in the last 15% of the 96 hour window and we all know FE was the only guild that socked. Those 7 day exp groups in VS pit bro, never forget! haha

I vividly remember TMO never getting VS because we werent willing to sock it like that lol

Toxx I'll never forget the double vs. fe wipes tmo kills then BAM another vs.

[Detoxx]

Toxx I'll never forget the double vs. fe wipes tmo kills then BAM another vs.

Ill never forget the Hitpoint fte snipe for a solo wiz epic. More duct tape than exploit haha. Those were the days it was easiest to compete. Just put 1 person there and get fte and have tmo kill it, no yellow text to know lol.

[Ravager]

I vividly remember TMO never getting VS because we werent willing to sock it like that lol

I vividly remember Zeelot socking the socks pretty hard, spamming auctions to buy FTE.

[Detoxx]

https://youtu.be/XHk-gkgZTTs

[Lhancelot]

It would be interesting if Rogean and crew decided to make some significant changes to the raid meta here.

If raid guilds are only conquering content using exploits like pulling mobs to the zone line to avoid having to kill anything else making it a fast kill why not make this tactic ban worthy? Why is this allowed? Perma root the mobs if need be.

If raids required more tactics and time to take down the targets, and more targets were up, wouldn't that also increase the chances of multiple guilds having chances at many different targets?

Other things should be addressed also to make for harder kills, like all the complete heal items and clickies people exploit here.

It just seems the way p99 allows the raiders to operate only makes for weak sauce raiding. Then they have the nerve to call this "competitive raiding".

Poopsocking shouldn't be the hardest aspect and biggest time consuming factor to an EQ raid imo.

I just think it would be a lot more fulfilling for truly competitive players if socking played a minor role in the meta of raiding, less clickies were used, and the challenge came from the actual fight against the mobs.

This would also create more respect between the guilds knowing that they were winning due to superior tactics and fighting, not superior sockers who had more time to sit and wait for pops coupled with a raid force that was expert at training mobs to zone lines for easy kills. This is lame.

[Skew]

It would be interesting if Rogean and crew decided to make some significant changes to the raid meta here.

If raid guilds are only conquering content using exploits like pulling mobs to the zone line to avoid having to kill anything else making it a fast kill why not make this tactic ban worthy? Why is this allowed? Perma root the mobs if need be.

If raids required more tactics and time to take down the targets, and more targets were up, wouldn't that also increase the chances of multiple guilds having chances at many different targets?

Other things should be addressed also to make for harder kills, like all the complete heal items and clickies people exploit here.

It just seems the way p99 allows the raiders to operate only makes for weak sauce raiding. Then they have the nerve to call this "competitive raiding".

Poopsocking shouldn't be the hardest aspect and biggest time consuming factor to an EQ raid imo.

I just think it would be a lot more fulfilling for truly competitive players if socking played a minor role in the meta of raiding, less clickies were used, and the challenge came from the actual fight against the mobs.

This would also create more respect between the guilds knowing that they were winning due to superior tactics and fighting, not superior sockers who had more time to sit and wait for pops coupled with a raid force that was expert at training mobs to zone lines for easy kills. This is lame.

you spelt your name wrong. No silent H.
GL with your dreams and wishes on the meta game raid scene here.

[Ella`Ella]

Ill never forget the Hitpoint fte snipe for a solo wiz epic. More duct tape than exploit haha. Those were the days it was easiest to compete. Just put 1 person there and get fte and have tmo kill it, no yellow text to know lol.

That was Myuharin, not hitpoint.

[Maner]

It would be interesting if Rogean and crew decided to make some significant changes to the raid meta here.

If raid guilds are only conquering content using exploits like pulling mobs to the zone line to avoid having to kill anything else making it a fast kill why not make this tactic ban worthy? Why is this allowed? Perma root the mobs if need be.

If raids required more tactics and time to take down the targets, and more targets were up, wouldn't that also increase the chances of multiple guilds having chances at many different targets?

Other things should be addressed also to make for harder kills, like all the complete heal items and clickies people exploit here.

It just seems the way p99 allows the raiders to operate only makes for weak sauce raiding. Then they have the nerve to call this "competitive raiding".

Poopsocking shouldn't be the hardest aspect and biggest time consuming factor to an EQ raid imo.

I just think it would be a lot more fulfilling for truly competitive players if socking played a minor role in the meta of raiding, less clickies were used, and the challenge came from the actual fight against the mobs.

This would also create more respect between the guilds knowing that they were winning due to superior tactics and fighting, not superior sockers who had more time to sit and wait for pops coupled with a raid force that was expert at training mobs to zone lines for easy kills. This is lame.

What is happening in TOV isn't socking. Socking is what people like FOh and Anon do in fear for the golems where they just sit on the spawns for 16 hours. Socking is when real or VS goes into the last hour and 200 people are logged in and waiting.

[wrighter00]

It would be interesting if Rogean and crew decided to make some significant changes to the raid meta here.

If raid guilds are only conquering content using exploits like pulling mobs to the zone line to avoid having to kill anything else making it a fast kill why not make this tactic ban worthy? Why is this allowed? Perma root the mobs if need be.

If raids required more tactics and time to take down the targets, and more targets were up, wouldn't that also increase the chances of multiple guilds having chances at many different targets?

Other things should be addressed also to make for harder kills, like all the complete heal items and clickies people exploit here.

It just seems the way p99 allows the raiders to operate only makes for weak sauce raiding. Then they have the nerve to call this "competitive raiding".

Poopsocking shouldn't be the hardest aspect and biggest time consuming factor to an EQ raid imo.

I just think it would be a lot more fulfilling for truly competitive players if socking played a minor role in the meta of raiding, less clickies were used, and the challenge came from the actual fight against the mobs.

This would also create more respect between the guilds knowing that they were winning due to superior tactics and fighting, not superior sockers who had more time to sit and wait for pops coupled with a raid force that was expert at training mobs to zone lines for easy kills. This is lame.

Having never raided on live during this era and coming to this server to experience Classic Everquest raiding, I never knew until now that classic Everquest raiders were using Soulfire CH clickys for days. When I found that out, it literally ruined everything I ever thought about the classic EQ raid scene. Talk about easy mode gaming.

Live Sleeper kill??? Seru??? Lies. All Lies.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

File this thread under: Ocean of Tears.

Everyone is crying.

[FatMice]

Whose amazing voice is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFxxIHKT1mk

Quotes "10%" "Focus on damage!" "We got the exp."

Amazing.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Better call whine one one...

...to summon a Whambulance to deliver an order of French Cries...

[Skew]

Whose amazing voice is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFxxIHKT1mk

Quotes "10%" "Focus on damage!" "We got the exp."

Amazing.

You didnt know Arnold played p99?

Damage. MOAR damage.
Hes at 10 finish him.
six.
GO GO GO
Hes down.


Immortal.

[Ella`Ella]

Sloan leading raid.
Versager "DO MOAR DAMAGE"

[FatMice]

I mean can you bring him back? My raid attendance would go up if I heard that voice in TS.

[kotton05]

I thought vers was the leader when I joined FE, it almost felt like when he said do moar DMg that we would somehow all inner flame again.

He's in Omni now and a great quester. Boy did him and Sloan argue.