Stop Nickel & Diming Shamans

[Baler]

Torpor is not worth more then 100k
Spear of Fate MQ is not worth more then 30k

[Xaanka]

consider red torpor's like 10k

[Troxx]

Just don't pay the price. It's only worth as much as people will pay. Yeah it sucked to see torpor go from 90-100k to 200k and shaman tear from 30k to 60-100k - but the prices will only stay that high if people agree to pay it.

Supply and demand.

It's sad that people over inflate shaman items and spells to the degree that they do.

[Fanguru]

When I started my shaman on this server, I also felt everyone lives off shamans, making our class defining tools extremely expensive.

It sucks, but it makes sense: supply and demand.

Many people have a 60 shaman compared to Live, where the class was not very popular. By the time people realized shamans were more than buffbots and could slow and torpor, they were too invested in their first toon.

Low supply of torpor, low supply of child's tears from Fear since revamp = prices going up. Fair or not, this makes sense.

[James_Joyce]

Just don't pay the price. It's only worth as much as people will pay. Yeah it sucked to see torpor go from 90-100k to 200k and shaman tear from 30k to 60-100k - but the prices will only stay that high if people agree to pay it.

Supply and demand.

It's sad that people over inflate shaman items and spells to the degree that they do.

"if you don't like indiscriminate drone strikes and raping kidnapped children then vote for a different candidate!"

I claim this naivete in the name of TRUMP 2016, the only vote against 100k torpor that actually counts.

[Baler]

"if you don't like indiscriminate drone strikes and raping kidnapped children then vote for a different candidate!"

I claim this naivete in the name of TRUMP 2016, the only vote against 100k torpor that actually counts.
http://oi67.tinypic.com/35jf3oo.jpg

consider red torpor's like 10k
I do play on red, as an sk.
http://oi63.tinypic.com/ma9h7a.jpg

[Swish]

Torpor is not worth more then 100k
Spear of Fate MQ is not worth more then 30k

It is if the fat cats say it is.

Welcome to online economy sim, and people with dubiously sourced plat.

[Jarnauga]

I bought both torpor and malo for 21k like 6 months into kunark.. :D

[Gaunja]

Torpor goes for about 10-15k max on red. Consider red

[Swish]

I'm not sure I'd want to sell a 100k item on the server at this point knowing the ban hammer could drop from accepting hokey coins.

[Murri]

I'm not sure I'd want to sell a 100k item on the server at this point knowing the ban hammer could drop from accepting hokey coins.

[indiscriminate_hater]

OP is poor, fat, and jelly

[maskedmelon]

Double prices item sales are just thinly veiled RMT. They have no intention of selling their item to you for a measly 100k. It's not even their item. It was gifted to them (from the plat dealer) to 'sell' to the plat dealer on a different character.

[Lune]

I for one love to see people penalized for all rolling the same OP class.

[Spyder73]

Thread name misleading, people don't nickel and dime shamans, they flat out ass rape shamans on spells and gear because they are OP and we don't need a server of terminators soloing everything besides raid dragons

[sirelothar]

Quit being an anti-social bitch and join a guild like BDA that has stacks of Torpor. Use Lotharus as reference to receive bonus DKP upon joining.

[Legday]

Not trying to be that guy but....

Nickel and Diming is selling small amounts of something you would prefer to sell large amounts of. You know, like drugs.

[captnamazing]

Quit being an anti-social bitch and join a guild like BDA that has stacks of Torpor. Use Lotharus as reference to receive bonus DKP upon joining.

Typical bda holding onto items for future members and not selling them at a massive discount to combat inflating prices

[jcr4990]

It's astonishing how many people don't understand simple economics in this thread.

You guys know that the golems that spawn the broodlings that drop the tears went from an 8 hr no variance pop that hardly anyone really contested to 3 day pop with 16 hr window that are HIGHLY contested by every major raiding guild right? Supply and Demand isn't a difficult concept. People also stopped farming a lot of the old world shit that drops Torpor for a while when Velious came out. That in combination with a good chunk of additional active 60 shamans on the server (From my experience anyway) = Torpor goes up.

[Hastley]

It's astonishing how many people don't understand simple economics in this thread.

You guys know that the golems that spawn the broodlings that drop the tears went from an 8 hr no variance pop that hardly anyone really contested to 3 day pop with 16 hr window that are HIGHLY contested by every major raiding guild right? Supply and Demand isn't a difficult concept. People also stopped farming a lot of the old world shit that drops Torpor for a while when Velious came out. That in combination with a good chunk of additional active 60 shamans on the server (From my experience anyway) = Torpor goes up.

Do you ever get off your arrogant self righteous horse and actually read what you write? How many pixels on this 16 year old elf simulator have you lost to FAT this month?

[Faywind]

Torpor goes for about 10-15k max on red. Consider red

That's because there is probably only 3 shamans on red :p

[indiscriminate_hater]

It's astonishing how many people don't understand simple economics in this thread.

You guys know that the golems that spawn the broodlings that drop the tears went from an 8 hr no variance pop that hardly anyone really contested to 3 day pop with 16 hr window that are HIGHLY contested by every major raiding guild right? Supply and Demand isn't a difficult concept. People also stopped farming a lot of the old world shit that drops Torpor for a while when Velious came out. That in combination with a good chunk of additional active 60 shamans on the server (From my experience anyway) = Torpor goes up.

typical BDA defending the EC fatcats

[Baler]

I believe the truth has finally come out. BDA is artificially inflating prices of shaman spells and gear. Causing a server wide disturbance and violating the pnp. But who is to say it stops there perhaps BDA is behind the scene pulling the strings for all gear and spell prices. Meanwhile they have more mules hoarding price inflated gear waiting for the fat cats to whip out their coin purses and spend ungodly amounts of plat. Some of which may not even be legitimately earned mind you.The whole time BDA has to keep a iron curtain on their activities so they send out their forum warriors to try and sally the people into thinking they're not as bad as people know they are. The point is, how do you know the BDA member isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little BDA member; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. Why would BDA try to inflate the market you may ask? Because they know all they sold ya was a over inflated piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to go farm that shit and mark it 100k plat, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about how BDA is artificially inflating prices and stockpiling high end gear and spells.

[indiscriminate_hater]

damn dude

[Nibblewitz]

I believe the truth has finally come out. BDA is artificially inflating prices of shaman spells and gear. Causing a server wide disturbance and violating the pnp. But who is to say it stops there perhaps BDA is behind the scene pulling the strings for all gear and spell prices. Meanwhile they have more mules hoarding price inflated gear waiting for the fat cats to whip out their coin purses and spend ungodly amounts of plat. Some of which may not even be legitimately earned mind you.The whole time BDA has to keep a iron curtain on their activities so they send out their forum warriors to try and sally the people into thinking they're not as bad as people know they are. The point is, how do you know the BDA member isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little BDA member; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. Why would BDA try to inflate the market you may ask? Because they know all they sold ya was a over inflated piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to go farm that shit and mark it 100k plat, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about how BDA is artificially inflating prices and stockpiling high end gear and spells.

Okay, I'll buy from you. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5dpBpaFiMo)

[Liia]

This is when I started to farm some stuff once I got to lvl60. I dont know why I couldn't get more than 30k on them, even more that I remember that it probably took over 2 weeks to sell them. I guess the demand was probably not as high, but hell that's 3-4x the price it used to be.

Note: The price on Fungi Tunic hasnt changed much while the Fungi Staff is sold for like 15k now

[Legday]

Trollololololllolol is exactly right...

Gamebreaking items needed by lots of high lvl shamanas? = High Demand
Rare drops = Low Supply

^Price

[Juevento]

Trollololololllolol is exactly right...

:O

And people agreeing with me about Chardok.

What is going on here?!?

[sirelothar]

I believe the truth has finally come out. BDA is artificially inflating prices of shaman spells and gear. Causing a server wide disturbance and violating the pnp. But who is to say it stops there perhaps BDA is behind the scene pulling the strings for all gear and spell prices. Meanwhile they have more mules hoarding price inflated gear waiting for the fat cats to whip out their coin purses and spend ungodly amounts of plat. Some of which may not even be legitimately earned mind you.The whole time BDA has to keep a iron curtain on their activities so they send out their forum warriors to try and sally the people into thinking they're not as bad as people know they are. The point is, how do you know the BDA member isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little BDA member; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. Why would BDA try to inflate the market you may ask? Because they know all they sold ya was a over inflated piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to go farm that shit and mark it 100k plat, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about how BDA is artificially inflating prices and stockpiling high end gear and spells.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgxyL5zEAk < -- BDA exposed

[James_Joyce]

man i cant even read this thread. i just scroll thru the names of the posters, stop at filbus's post, then keep scrollin

[Swish]

This is when I started to farm some stuff once I got to lvl60. I dont know why I couldn't get more than 30k on them, even more that I remember that it probably took over 2 weeks to sell them. I guess the demand was probably not as high, but hell that's 3-4x the price it used to be.

Note: The price on Fungi Tunic hasnt changed much while the Fungi Staff is sold for like 15k now

Liia probably one of the few economy simmers who actually operates with a conscience ;)

[JackFlash]

Camp it sometime. It doesn't drop like candy..... Otherwise join a raiding guild!

[Swish]

Camp it sometime. It doesn't drop like candy..... Otherwise join a raiding guild!*

* Make sure you wouldn't be 7th in line and subject to loot council approval though when picking one :)

[jcr4990]

Trollololololllolol is exactly right...

https://media.giphy.com/media/2XskdWuNUyqElkKe4bm/giphy.gif

[ArumTP]

Shaman can farm and solo all sorts of things for amazing piles of plats. It is my intent to take those plats.

[JackFlash]

* Make sure you wouldn't be 7th in line and subject to loot council approval though when picking one :)

Try red?

[fastboy21]

pay the plat and stop whining.

or don't. i don't care.

[Swish]

Try red?

I'd try red if I were you.

[Trendi]

Torpor is not worth more then 100k
Spear of Fate MQ is not worth more then 30k


Then go camp them yourself you whiner. If those things were going for 5k you'd be one of the first people whining about how EC ruins the game because it would be more fun to camp stuff yourself but blah blah blah.

[Swish]

If I could connect I'd stand in the tunnel on a new Walmart sounding mule and advertise it at 150k.

People would suddenly think 100k is a bargain or the price would go up further, right? :o

[Gorillas]

Trollololololllolol is exactly right...

Gamebreaking items needed by lots of high lvl shamanas? = High Demand
Rare drops = Low Supply

^Price

Says the guy auctioning 100k items in EC. You assholes act like their is a low supply after 5 years of the same shit. There's more copy of Torpors on this server than shamans that could use them.

[Swish]

Says the guy auctioning 100k items in EC. You assholes act like their is a low supply after 5 years of the same shit. There's more copy of Torpors on this server than shamans that could use them.

Not sure that's true but how funny if it is :)

[ArumTP]

Says the guy auctioning 100k items in EC. You assholes act like their is a low supply after 5 years of the same shit. There's more copy of Torpors on this server than shamans that could use them.

Either shaman or monk is #1 played class on this server. Because there are so many, this drives the price up on items they need. I'd say they are the reason why fungi retains still most of its value all this time.

Topor is just one of those must have items. It allows you to cani dance to your hearts content. But unlike a fungi it can never be resold.

[Legday]

Says the guy auctioning 100k items in EC. You assholes act like their is a low supply after 5 years of the same shit. There's more copy of Torpors on this server than shamans that could use them.

I can't hear you I have plat coming out of my ears.

[Spyder73]

Can confirm Legday and Yadgel as EC fat cats

[derpcake]

Not sure that's true but how funny if it is :)

100% positive this is the case with fungi's on red :)

[dafier]

Typical bda holding onto items for future members and not selling them at a massive discount to combat inflating prices

Confirm BDA has in Bank:

12 Torpors

32 Elemental Mastery Staff: Earth

8 Slime Blood of CT

200 FULL cleric Epic MQs

And, all the Velious gems to service the whole blue server x2 over in full Velious armor.

[maskedmelon]

Confirm BDA has in Bank:

12 Torpors

32 Elemental Mastery Staff: Earth

8 Slime Blood of CT

200 FULL cleric Epic MQs

And, all the Velious gems to service the whole blue server x2 over in full Velious armor.

Greedy bastards....

[derpcake]

prices will just keep being pushed, until new players can no longer afford stuff, at that point there will be veterans with multiple geared chars, less and less newbs, and thats when the server starts to die

see: red

[dafier]

For reals:

Good example of price drop is Phase Spider Carapace. For weeks now people have been trying to get 8 to 10k for it. Now it's down to 5k, because it's just not selling for 8 to 10k.

It's actually a really nice item but if you can get better or about the same for a lot less, then that ain't going to fly.

[Xaanka]

It's astonishing how many people don't understand simple economics in this thread.

You guys know that the golems that spawn the broodlings that drop the tears went from an 8 hr no variance pop that hardly anyone really contested to 3 day pop with 16 hr window that are HIGHLY contested by every major raiding guild right? Supply and Demand isn't a difficult concept. People also stopped farming a lot of the old world shit that drops Torpor for a while when Velious came out. That in combination with a good chunk of additional active 60 shamans on the server (From my experience anyway) = Torpor goes up.

consider red, we rot the iksar broodlings every time

[JackFlash]

FYI copy avail in EC tunnel forums for 150k+ if you're lookin' :)

[Swish]

There you go, 150k the new price.

You're welcome. Please make another thread if this isnt high enough for you.

[Freakish]

WTS Child's Tear MQ 100k

[Waedawen]

If you're one of those coat-tail riding EQ Easy-Mode players you deserve to get nickel and dimed.

Everyone and their mother wants to roll their face on the keyboard and kill mobs, and if you wanna do that, pay to play buckaroo.

[Merekai]

WTS Child's Tear MQ 100k

PST Kumadar I heard his Tear is going for 90k!

Chev

[Swish]

If you're one of those coat-tail riding EQ Easy-Mode players you deserve to get nickel and dimed.

I'd be so mad if I stood around for weeks in the tunnel playing low/high and selling endless shit to hit that 150k :(

Go farm it.

[Mead]

I'd be so mad if I stood around for weeks in the tunnel playing low/high and selling endless shit to hit that 150k :(

Go farm it.

Says the guy who spends his life on elf sim forums, even while he's on vacation

[Swish]

Says the guy who spends his life on elf sim forums, even while he's on vacation

No access to the internet except for my phone. That doesn't mean that suddenly people should grind 150k for torpor...because they shouldn't.

Sounds like you bought yours and might be angered that others go get their own.

[Mead]

No access to the internet except for my phone. That doesn't mean that suddenly people should grind 150k for torpor...because they shouldn't.

Sounds like you bought yours and might be angered that others go get their own.

Sounds like you're not a mind reader, but probably on welfare. I have no ties to torpor, shaman, or tunnelquesting

[Troxx]

There's more copy of Torpors on this server than shamans that could use them.

I'd bet this is actually true.

[You-Seem-Mad]

Torpor farm group forming.. first torpor on reserve ;)

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157219 if you're some new fey

[jcr4990]

I'd bet this is actually true.

I would be EXTREMELY shocked if it was true. Torpor is a very rare drop and this server oozes shamans out of every orifice.

[katrik]

One of the many reasons I don't log on anymore. Playing shammy is depressing.

[ridiculousmoose]

Tell your fellow shamans to stop paying so much.

[jcr4990]

Tell your fellow shamans to stop paying so much.

As an epic/torpor'd shaman farming back the ~100k isn't really a crazy difficult task.

[Swish]

As an epic/torpor'd shaman farming back the ~150k isn't really a crazy difficult task.

[Troxx]

As an epic/torpor'd shaman farming back the ~100k isn't really a crazy difficult task.

As a non epic/torpor shaman, farming the initial 100-300k is a crazy difficult task.

[bktroost]

Good news is that if you drop that 200k you can make it back in 3 days of farming cards in PoM... Maybe it's a good investment.

[bktroost]

As a non epic/torpor shaman, farming the initial 100-300k is a crazy difficult task.

Yes but as a 60 bard, you can make it in less than one week of PL