Why should people roll on red? ATN: Swish

[Sillyturtle]

The fact blue has a larger population is much more attractive to me.

Red's economy is better apparently, which is very nice, but meh. Supposedly green is coming out eventually. Can probably wait for that since I only started on Blue like 5 days ago.

Maybe Swish can convince me.

[Big_Japan]

global OOC makes triggering fallujah PTSD a breeze

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[JayN]

global OOC makes triggering fallujah PTSD a breeze

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Red Server is full of totally sane, normal people that don't use heavy drugs on a daily basis.

Dive right in friends!

[Lulz.Sect]

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[Big_Japan]

^veteran detected

[surron]

you ever go to walmart just to make yourself feel better?

[Big_Japan]

you ever go to walmart just to make yourself feel better?

every week when i pick up the scrip at the walmart pharmacy, mah boy

[maskedmelon]

Not everyone should. It depends on what you are looking for ^^ I just rolled a character there out of curiosity stemming from all the advertising. I have not been much of amp per in my gaming career, so I am sure others will have different reasons to share, but these are my reasons for continuing to play there:

1. Classic Gameplay. Someone is bound to point out red has non-classic experience bonus in response to this point and that is true. However, gameplay itself is much closer to classic as a result of far less twinkling stemming from a less saturated economy and tremendous number of new players. You don't see individuals monopolizing entire xp camps like you do on blue. Classic items still have value. While some higher end items are still available like on blue they are less common and therefore more difficult to acquire. As a result the majority of people are in general less geared and able to make use of items that drop for them as they level.

2. Tighter community. Sure we have some colorful forum personalities and the server definitely has a few villains, but there are also heroes and most players in general are good decent people just like blue. The threat (small as it may be) presented by villains encourages people to band together. The XP bonus also disincentivizes all forms of class/gear/etc discrimination in XP groups. Most people on red

3. Decency. The inability of the community to enforce law and order on blue leads to the death of common sense/courtesy with the creation of more and more laws through which players begin to view the world. The mindset becomes "if there isn't a rule against it, it must be ok." The a look to staff is then inundated with dispute resolution requests. There are numerous threads applauding people on blue for doing the right thing, because rule lawyering has become the norm making such acts uncommon.

4. Time. I don't not have as much time to devote to digital worlds as I once did. Despite that, I'd cherished EQ's pace. For me it's not about the pace of progression, it's about the pace of gameplay. On red, the pace is slower (more classic) due to less twinks. It is more relaxed even when pushing things. However the bonus XP means progression is faster. In the end, you are able to experience more of the classic world in a classic context with less time invested. I suppose this is really only a benefit if you are very casual and/or older ^^

[Tuljin]

New Red Server Please

[Sillyturtle]

Not everyone should. It depends on what you are looking for ^^ I just rolled a character there out of curiosity stemming from all the advertising. I have not been much of amp per in my gaming career, so I am sure others will have different reasons to share, but these are my reasons for continuing to play there:

1. Classic Gameplay. Someone is bound to point out red has non-classic experience bonus in response to this point and that is true. However, gameplay itself is much closer to classic as a result of far less twinkling stemming from a less saturated economy and tremendous number of new players. You don't see individuals monopolizing entire xp camps like you do on blue. Classic items still have value. While some higher end items are still available like on blue they are less common and therefore more difficult to acquire. As a result the majority of people are in general less geared and able to make use of items that drop for them as they level.

2. Tighter community. Sure we have some colorful forum personalities and the server definitely has a few villains, but there are also heroes and most players in general are good decent people just like blue. The threat (small as it may be) presented by villains encourages people to band together. The XP bonus also disincentivizes all forms of class/gear/etc discrimination in XP groups. Most people on red

3. Decency. The inability of the community to enforce law and order on blue leads to the death of common sense/courtesy with the creation of more and more laws through which players begin to view the world. The mindset becomes "if there isn't a rule against it, it must be ok." The a look to staff is then inundated with dispute resolution requests. There are numerous threads applauding people on blue for doing the right thing, because rule lawyering has become the norm making such acts uncommon.

4. Time. I don't not have as much time to devote to digital worlds as I once did. Despite that, I'd cherished EQ's pace. For me it's not about the pace of progression, it's about the pace of gameplay. On red, the pace is slower (more classic) due to less twinks. It is more relaxed even when pushing things. However the bonus XP means progression is faster. In the end, you are able to experience more of the classic world in a classic context with less time invested. I suppose this is really only a benefit if you are very casual and/or older ^^

You know, in the time I've spent going over these forums and scouring it for information, I've run across your posts time and again and there's a recurring theme in them.

You have got to be one of the nicest, genuinely helpful and all around good personalities that reside here.

Thank you so much for posting. Because of this alone I may give Red a shot.

<3

[Tuljin]

I've been nothing but nice on Blue and I've been nothing but fucked by the sociopaths that play there. Now I'm not so nice anymore. Its sad really.

On Blue all you gotta do is be a "yes man" to the hegemony (aka kissing ass, fellating, however you wanna say it) and say funny things in Vent and you'll get real far. You don't even have to be good at the game.

Not only do you not have to be good at the game, you don't have to improve or step up your game. The server is full of assholes who can't play their way out of a 3-mob encounter and the class stigma exists because people wipe in KC regularly and won't even consider starting a group with a rez and an AOE mez. The attitude of the server over time has gone to complete and total shit. Even the "top raid guilds" are full of fucking terrible players.

Couple that with an incredibly stupid FRAPS and Lawyerquest culture, you have yourself a shitshow, friends.

Now, if you're terrible at EQ and unwilling to learn how to PvP, something tells me you won't last very long. Having the shit Blue attitude everyone has won't get you far at all, which is perhaps a major reason why the population has remained low.

I say launch new servers soon before 5 years of Velious and see who's suddenly willing to leave their precious pixels behind. Those who want to stay on a 6 year old inflated economy box just so they don't have to leave their (unused and unnecessary) Velious pixels behind can fucking stay. The server has gone so downhill its sad really.

[Swish]

Not everyone should. It depends on what you are looking for ^^ I just rolled a character there out of curiosity stemming from all the advertising. I have not been much of amp per in my gaming career, so I am sure others will have different reasons to share, but these are my reasons for continuing to play there:

1. Classic Gameplay. Someone is bound to point out red has non-classic experience bonus in response to this point and that is true. However, gameplay itself is much closer to classic as a result of far less twinkling stemming from a less saturated economy and tremendous number of new players. You don't see individuals monopolizing entire xp camps like you do on blue. Classic items still have value. While some higher end items are still available like on blue they are less common and therefore more difficult to acquire. As a result the majority of people are in general less geared and able to make use of items that drop for them as they level.

2. Tighter community. Sure we have some colorful forum personalities and the server definitely has a few villains, but there are also heroes and most players in general are good decent people just like blue. The threat (small as it may be) presented by villains encourages people to band together. The XP bonus also disincentivizes all forms of class/gear/etc discrimination in XP groups. Most people on red

3. Decency. The inability of the community to enforce law and order on blue leads to the death of common sense/courtesy with the creation of more and more laws through which players begin to view the world. The mindset becomes "if there isn't a rule against it, it must be ok." The a look to staff is then inundated with dispute resolution requests. There are numerous threads applauding people on blue for doing the right thing, because rule lawyering has become the norm making such acts uncommon.

4. Time. I don't not have as much time to devote to digital worlds as I once did. Despite that, I'd cherished EQ's pace. For me it's not about the pace of progression, it's about the pace of gameplay. On red, the pace is slower (more classic) due to less twinks. It is more relaxed even when pushing things. However the bonus XP means progression is faster. In the end, you are able to experience more of the classic world in a classic context with less time invested. I suppose this is really only a benefit if you are very casual and/or older ^^

maskedmelon spreading the good word - excellent post <3

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[Sillyturtle]

Ah Swish, there you are.


How you doin sugar?

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[Colgate]

would you rather wait in a literal 100+ man line for something like camping holgresh elder beads, or would you rather show up and fight the people there for it?

[TheBiznessTZ]

would you rather wait in a literal 100+ man line for something like camping holgresh elder beads, or would you rather show up and fight the people there for it?

Pras this.!the boy king speeks logic!

[Vallanor]

would you rather wait in a literal 100+ man line for something like camping holgresh elder beads, or would you rather show up and fight the people there for it?

Isn't this scenario just as likely to go the other way? I.e. you're camping holgreshes and someone comes up from behind and ganks you while you're low health and takes the camp? You only ever hear how PvP makes it easier for you to get camps in these pro-Red posts, never how it's harder to keep them once you get them.

Plus, as laughably ridiculous as that holgresh list was and as right as you were to laugh at it, the list has been gone for weeks. You need a new example of why blue sucks because holgresh camp isn't one of them.

[nyclin]

You only ever hear how PvP makes it easier for you to get camps in these pro-Red posts, never how it's harder to keep them once you get them.


it's because the people who say shit like this are the people who already have geared mains & alts with friends to help and can actually contest the camp

[rebeccablack]

spending hours upon hours at a long camp just to get screwed over by some sociopath killing you is not an improvement over blue

[maskedmelon]

Isn't this scenario just as likely to go the other way? I.e. you're camping holgreshes and someone comes up from behind and ganks you while you're low health and takes the camp? You only ever hear how PvP makes it easier for you to get camps in these pro-Red posts, never how it's harder to keep them once you get them.

Plus, as laughably ridiculous as that holgresh list was and as right as you were to laugh at it, the list has been gone for weeks. You need a new example of why blue sucks because holgresh camp isn't one of them.

That's what friends are for ^^ It is also the reason why the less chaotic communities with the greater pvp community are tighter knit, because it matters. Aside from the ability to contest camps, simply camping something is a deterrent to KS'ing because of the threat of pvp. Ultimately it is about the freedom to forge your own path. You could even enforce a list like blue (if that is what you thought best) if you enlisted enough followers. PVP offers players power. What they do with it is up to them, but always there is strength in numbers.

[captnamazing]

pity reply @ anyone seriously debating red vs blue

[Swish]

spending hours upon hours at a long camp just to get screwed over by some sociopath killing you is not an improvement over blue

Yes it is, and you're more likely to get your item without interference than you are to go to a camp and see it open on blue.

[Champion_Standing]

I've been nothing but nice on Blue and I've been nothing but fucked by the sociopaths that play there. Now I'm not so nice anymore. Its sad really.

On Blue all you gotta do is be a "yes man" to the hegemony (aka kissing ass, fellating, however you wanna say it) and say funny things in Vent and you'll get real far. You don't even have to be good at the game.

Not only do you not have to be good at the game, you don't have to improve or step up your game. The server is full of assholes who can't play their way out of a 3-mob encounter and the class stigma exists because people wipe in KC regularly and won't even consider starting a group with a rez and an AOE mez. The attitude of the server over time has gone to complete and total shit. Even the "top raid guilds" are full of fucking terrible players.

Couple that with an incredibly stupid FRAPS and Lawyerquest culture, you have yourself a shitshow, friends.

Now, if you're terrible at EQ and unwilling to learn how to PvP, something tells me you won't last very long. Having the shit Blue attitude everyone has won't get you far at all, which is perhaps a major reason why the population has remained low.

I say launch new servers soon before 5 years of Velious and see who's suddenly willing to leave their precious pixels behind. Those who want to stay on a 6 year old inflated economy box just so they don't have to leave their (unused and unnecessary) Velious pixels behind can fucking stay. The server has gone so downhill its sad really.

Happens to a lot EQers, especially on a crowded server. For all the talk about how the games mechanics foster an environment of cooperation and reinforce community, there isn't much talk about how those same mechanics foster adversarial relationships just as easily.

[maskedmelon]

Happens to a lot EQers, especially on a crowded server. For all the talk about how the games mechanics foster an environment of cooperation and reinforce community, there isn't much talk about how those same mechanics foster adversarial relationships just as easily.

Conflict is natural. The problem is the resolution thereof. Project 1999 does not have a paid CSR staff to deal with conflict resolution and modern players are too savvy to fall prey to the traditional community enforcement mechanism (ostracizing). EQ was mostly difficult because people didn't know what they were doing, now everyone knows so they don't care if you refuse to group with them. There is also no barrier to entry, so even if server staff intervene with a ban, they can return under a new guise to offend again.

Red99 at least affords players the opportunity to enforce accepted norms. Sure, the greater freedom does lead it to suffer somewhat from adverse selection, but the fraction of douchebags on red is no greater than that of blue. The rogues on red are just more open about their ambitions. And many of those perceived as rogues really just enjoy some good ol' competition. The number of people looking to grief random players on red is virtually nil.

If I have to deal with asshats I'd prefer to see them coming and have something I can do about them ^^

[Shjade]

Yes it is, and you're more likely to get your item without interference than you are to go to a camp and see it open on blue.

You say this, but I rarely had to do much waiting for the camps I wanted to take. I think the SK treants were the only one I actually sat around to wait for it to open up.

I dunno, I guess I'm just a hipster camper and only go to the camps that aren't cool enough to be crowded? *shrug*

If you're talking about the really high-end, big-ticket item camps, I'm willing to bet those are perma-camped on red as well, with the added disadvantage of the campers likely outgearing and/or outnumbering you and quite happy to kill you if you take a look to see if you can have it for yourself. But hey, that's just a hypothesis.

[DdarkED]

and you would be wrong, zone into seb and its prolly empty including king. not always mind you, but often. this is true of many big ticket camps (especially non velious ones)

[Raije1000]

Thread promoting red, Swish posts once. Thread that has nothing to do with red, Swish posts over and over. Huh?

[Llodd]

Isn't this scenario just as likely to go the other way? I.e. you're camping holgreshes and someone comes up from behind and ganks you while you're low health and takes the camp? You only ever hear how PvP makes it easier for you to get camps in these pro-Red posts, never how it's harder to keep them once you get them.

Plus, as laughably ridiculous as that holgresh list was and as right as you were to laugh at it, the list has been gone for weeks. You need a new example of why blue sucks because holgresh camp isn't one of them.

Not only that, but if red had the same pop as blue, imagine the chaos that would be the holgresh camp.

I doubt anyone would ever get their beads, unless they took a raid force to camp it. Hilarious!

People would go to blue so they had more of a chance to actually get their beads ;)

Basically, things are easier to get on red because no one plays there, not because of the pvp strawman argument that's reitterated ad nauseum.

[Swish]

Not only that, but if red had the same pop as blue, imagine the chaos that would be the holgresh camp.

I doubt anyone would ever get their beads, unless they took a raid force to camp it. Hilarious!

People would go to blue so they had more of a chance to actually get their beads ;)

Basically, things are easier to get on red because no one plays there, not because of the pvp strawman argument that's reitterated ad nauseum.

300 nightly, not many other non-boxing servers can boast that. In fact I think I'd say Red 99 is #2 in all of EQ emu land for server size for actual players playing.

...and if people are pvp'ing hardcore for a camp then that's a good thing, because you know, it's a pvp server.

[Sillyturtle]

Honestly though, I wouldn't try Red because it's PvP, or for the Economy, or because it's easier to get a camp.

At this point I'd try red because Maskedmelon is there, and she (he?) is fucking awesome.

[Swish]

Honestly though, I wouldn't try Red because it's PvP, or for the Economy, or because it's easier to get a camp.

At this point I'd try red because Maskedmelon is there, and she (he?) is fucking awesome.

I agree, and everyone has their reasons. Whatever yours is, come on down blue friends... there's always a seat waiting for you.

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[am0n]

More green in that photo than red or blue.

Clearly we need Green99. Fresh PvE server starting from Day 1.