Dark Ascension

[Kutter]

Got their asses kicked in Sky, so they absorb WI and reassert themselves as the kings of poopsock.

Welcome back to the lower Planes, bitches.

[Itchybottom]

A lot of their weight is gone though, since Emoqq wasn't part of the merge.

[azxten]

Coming from a WI trial member only a handful of people went to DA. They certainly didn't "absorb" WI by far. To be honest I don't know of a single person who was constantly present at raids who then went to DA most of these people are unguilded with a couple in IB.

[stormiejs]

If by absorbed you mean invited 5 WI trial members who asked for an invite after WI decided to go back to live, sure.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Anyone want to speculate on what this means for the Top 5 guild rankings thread on the main forum?

[Skope]

Anyone want to speculate on what this means for the Top 5 guild rankings thread on the main forum?

depends on how long they want to keep poopsocking. it's a one-trick pony!

[Redriot]

DA was pretty good at poopsocking, gotta stick to what your good at.

[Zenlina]

Hate to sound stupid, but wtf is poopsocking, careful how you answer cos if its what i think it is, how you do it with new camp rules?

[azxten]

Who is Kutter anyway? What guild are you from?

[xorbier]

Anyone want to speculate on what this means for the Top 5 guild rankings thread on the main forum?

#6th.

[Bones]

Hate to sound stupid, but wtf is poopsocking, careful how you answer cos if its what i think it is, how you do it with new camp rules?
Q: Can we continue to camp the raid mobs?
A:"Camping" of raid targets has completely changed. If you choose to lay a claim to an unspawned raid npc, your raid must be at the npc's spawn point with sufficient force. (within aggro range of the npc when it spawns, with at least a 15 member raid party). e.g. (inside Nagafen's Lair) This is the ONLY way claims of unspawned raid targets will be respected.

[Sizzle]

Got your poop socks on but they look like sneakers!

[Slayde]

Poopsocking for a couple hours is lame. Cause why anticipate a target when you can wait till the very last minute and zerg it? sheesh

[Kutter]

Poopsocking for a couple days is lame. Cause why anticipate a target when you can wait till the very last minute and compete for it? sheesh

fixt

[Slayde]

If you want to compete, then fucking do it. Stop all the whining and do it. If hanging around a spawn point for a couple hours in advance is too much to ask then don't even bother. Not like DA invented it, and just cause we do it doesnt mean everyone else cant.

[anthony210]

If you want to compete, then fucking do it. Stop all the whining and do it. If hanging around a spawn point for a couple hours in advance is too much to ask then don't even bother. Not like DA invented it, and just cause we do it doesnt mean everyone else cant.

We are not going to stoop to the level that you guys have. If you want to camp for days to get mobs, you can have them.

[G13]

We are not going to stoop to the level that you guys have. If you want to camp for days to get mobs, you can have them.

Why do people care how people get their kills

I thought a "kill was a kill" or something. It's not like DA was the only guild to ever poopsock on this server. Far from it.

[Slayde]

Who said days? Since the new rules have been introduced there is no necessity to camp for days, and we don't. Either fight for the mobs or stop the bitching. That's all I got to say about that.

[G13]

^^^devil's advocate~

[Harrison]

Why do people care how people get their kills

Says the guy raging about pets being used to down mobs, legitimately...rofl

[anthony210]

Who said days? Since the new rules have been introduced there is no necessity to camp for days, and we don't. Either fight for the mobs or stop the bitching. That's all I got to say about that.

You got lucky that Inny spawned within a few hours of your camp starting, and then you got lucky again that Naggy spawned within a few hours of your camp starting. I have no doubt in my mind that you would have kept on camping had Inny or Naggy not spawned.

The only way people can compete with that is to get their own poopsock group together and sit there with you and try to engage first.

I wish it wasnt so but it is what is. If this is what your guild must do to compete then so be it. Obviously your skill at getting to bosses first when they spawned was not working out for you so you revert to poopsocking. Oh well...

[Kutter]

Who said days? Since the new rules have been introduced there is no necessity to camp for days, and we don't. Either fight for the mobs or stop the bitching. That's all I got to say about that.

Why the fuck you wanna lie? DA sat on Naggy spawn for almost two days, and the bitch was down in less than 3 minutes, because you were right on top of the fucking spawn point.

You guys have no fucking clue as to what strategy or competition really is; the only way to combat it is to adopt it, and it takes all the fun out of it.

Damn erudites.

[Bones]

the only way to combat it is to adopt it, and it takes all the fun out of it.
This.
But I forget this isn't about having fun. It's about e-peens and loot.

[Samuel]

DA sat on Naggy spawn for almost two days

/boggle

[G13]

Says the guy raging about pets being used to down mobs, legitimately...rofl

Bro shit just flew right over your head......

Go take your meds

[xorbier]

Got their asses kicked in Sky, so they absorb WI and reassert themselves as the kings of poopsock.

Welcome back to the lower Planes, bitches.

Yeah they did. They got the 2nd most loot to IB and were on island 5. They suck.

[G13]

I was obviously pointing out the irony of the situation.

It's pathetic that I have to explain to you like you're a 2 year old, though given your emotional maturity, it's not surprising.

[xorbier]

You got lucky that Inny spawned within a few hours of your camp starting, and then you got lucky again that Naggy spawned within a few hours of your camp starting. I have no doubt in my mind that you would have kept on camping had Inny or Naggy not spawned.

The only way people can compete with that is to get their own poopsock group together and sit there with you and try to engage first.

I wish it wasnt so but it is what is. If this is what your guild must do to compete then so be it. Obviously your skill at getting to bosses first when they spawned was not working out for you so you revert to poopsocking. Oh well...

Lucky? lol yeah that's it. 4 gods/dragons so far this week. Yep pure luck.

It sure sounds to me like a few in your guild got a lil cocky while IB and DA were in sky. Now that you have actual competition for gods/dragons you get butthurt. But, keep flaming away its what you're good at.

FYI DA was at Naggy's lair a few hours before it spawned. Get your facts straight. The rules were followed and Divinity was right there by their side camped out while on alts "poopsocking" as you like to call it.

<3

[anthony210]

Lucky? lol yeah that's it. 4 gods/dragons so far this week. Yep pure luck.

It sure sounds to me like a few in your guild got a lil cocky while IB and DA were in sky. Now that you have actual competition for gods/dragons you get butthurt. But, keep flaming away its what you're good at.

FYI DA was at Naggy's lair a few hours before it spawned. Get your facts straight. The rules were followed and Divinity was right there by their side camped out while on alts "poopsocking" as you like to call it.

<3

If you call competition camping then sure we are butthurt. Do not mistake whats happening now for competition this is not competition. We refuse to camp raid targets, and since you guys cannot win a race to target, you are forced to camp. All of your raid targets this week with the exception of Draco and Vox were due to camping, congratz you win at camping!

Should we mention what happened with CT where you had REAL competition.

[Humerox]

Divinity was right there by their side camped out while on alts "poopsocking" as you like to call it.

Divinity doesn't really have a problem with what you do. If you want to play that way, fine. It doesn't carry bragging rights though, lol.

We saw you at the spawn and decided to take the chance of being able to compete for it. You had Naggy down before our raid alert even went through.

Grats on the kill, though.

[Evorix]

Should we mention what happened with CT where you had REAL competition.

Just like when you killed Vox last night?

[anthony210]

Just like when you killed Vox last night?

It was a bugged Vox that we fought. Had we known she was going to chain CH we probably would have changed our strat a bit. Had she been normal Vox you would have lost her too.

Of course we did manage to rez our entire raid force after Trans wiped/trained everyone and engage before you. DA was 3rd to engage...

[Humerox]

Just like when you killed Vox last night?

From what I hear, I wouldn't even bring that one up. Divinity gave her a good fight, as she was.

We expect to lose some to competition. I'm not sure what the guild leaders think, but knowing my guild as well as I do, we would sacrifice any and all kills over camping. We will anticipate targets, sure. But I don't think we'll ever sit on a target, be it three hours...or three days. Just doesn't seem right, or fair to competing guilds. We like to compete. It's obvious there are guilds on the server that don't. Or rather, ONE guild on the server that doesn't. Because even IB had competitive spirit, before they were forced to play the "camp" game.

[Evorix]

From what I hear, I wouldn't even bring that one up. Divinity gave her a good fight, as she was.

We expect to lose some to competition. I'm not sure what the guild leaders think, but knowing my guild as well as I do, we would sacrifice any and all kills over camping. We will anticipate targets, sure. But I don't think we'll ever sit on a target, be it three hours...or three days. Just doesn't seem right, or fair to competing guilds. We like to compete. It's obvious there are guilds on the server that don't. Or rather, ONE guild on the server that doesn't. Because even IB had competitive spirit, before they were forced to play the "camp" game.

You win some, you lose some. We had no prior knowledge she was going to chain CH either, but we successfully adapted mid-fight and killed her.

Quoting Nilbog "If you choose to lay a claim to an unspawned raid npc, your raid must be at the npc's spawn point with sufficient force. (within aggro range of the npc when it spawns, with at least a 15 member raid party). e.g. (inside Nagafen's Lair) This is the ONLY way claims of unspawned raid targets will be respected."

If we know the raid npc is going to spawn soon, why wouldn't you want the advantage when there are probably 5 guilds capable of killing it? This thread is full of QQing about DA b/c we took the edge on naggy and hung out for a few hours before he spawned.

[xorbier]

From what I hear, I wouldn't even bring that one up. Divinity gave her a good fight, as she was.

We expect to lose some to competition. I'm not sure what the guild leaders think, but knowing my guild as well as I do, we would sacrifice any and all kills over camping. We will anticipate targets, sure. But I don't think we'll ever sit on a target, be it three hours...or three days. Just doesn't seem right, or fair to competing guilds. We like to compete. It's obvious there are guilds on the server that don't. Or rather, ONE guild on the server that doesn't. Because even IB had competitive spirit, before they were forced to play the "camp" game.

You honestly believe IB didn't camp mobs?

The propaganda has worked quite well from them... As for bragging, I wasn't trying to come off that way. I was being more sarcastic that your guild pretty much accepted the #2 spot when DA has arguably been #2 for what 3-4 months now? To me you're the one bragging and being cocky.

I'm sorry your guild isn't committed to getting raid targets and gets upset when you have competition.

[Zenlina]

You snooze you lose.

[azxten]

Does this thread seriously have two Divinity members who are both talking about if "that's the way you wanna play" when regarding poop socking?

How about Divinity leap frogging and exploiting game mechanics (DT cycle) to get their named mobs? I apped with WI for about a week (only time I've done any raiding) and this is what I saw with my own two eyes.

You guys must be some major homos to come here and complain about another guild camping raid mobs when you pull the exact kind of shit that causes guilds to camp instead of waiting for pops.

[anthony210]

Who the hell cares what spot you are on the server?

We just want competition without camping which isnt going to happen while DA is around.

[Humerox]

You honestly believe IB didn't camp mobs?

The propaganda has worked quite well from them... As for bragging, I wasn't trying to come off that way. I was being more sarcastic that your guild pretty much accepted the #2 spot when DA has arguably been #2 for what 3-4 months now? To me you're the one bragging and being cocky.

I'm sorry your guild isn't committed to getting raid targets and gets upset when you have competition.

We raced them back in the day. They didn't camp until they were forced to...I said that in my last post, lol.

Divinity LOVES competition. Always has...and if being committed to getting raid targets equates to camping, I guess we're not. I don't harbor any ill will toward you guys for your playstyle, but I don't think it's very fun. It's more like a job, lol.

[Pheer]

You honestly believe IB didn't camp mobs?

The propaganda has worked quite well from them... As for bragging, I wasn't trying to come off that way. I was being more sarcastic that your guild pretty much accepted the #2 spot when DA has arguably been #2 for what 3-4 months now? To me you're the one bragging and being cocky.

I'm sorry your guild isn't committed to getting raid targets and gets upset when you have competition.

love how you see IB mentioned and instantly any skills of reading comprehension you had go out the window as your blind rage sets in

[azxten]

Should we mention what happened with CT where you had REAL competition. Divinity waited for WI to clear mobs and then leap frogged and pulled CT. DA actually attempted to do something on their own. WI cried to the GMs.

We just want competition without camping which isnt going to happen while DA is around. They refuse to let us leap frog or use game mechanics to get mobs.

Fixed.

[G13]

Divinity was the first guild to ever camp a mob on this server

True story

[Humerox]

Does this thread seriously have two Divinity members who are both talking about if "that's the way you wanna play" when regarding poop socking?

How about Divinity leap frogging and exploiting game mechanics (DT cycle) to get their named mobs? I apped with WI for about a week (only time I've done any raiding) and this is what I saw with my own two eyes.

You guys must be some major homos to come here and complain about another guild camping raid mobs when you pull the exact kind of shit that causes guilds to camp instead of waiting for pops.

As our leadership has said...we have the FRAPS for any admin that wants to see it. As for the DT cycle, we only started it when we were actually going for the golems. Your lack of knowledge in raiding probably confuses you.

I love how the internal propaganda machines churn out the raiding newbs for board disinformation.

[Taminy]

How about Divinity leap frogging and exploiting game mechanics (DT cycle) to get their named mobs?

Explain? :confused:

[azxten]

As our leadership has said...we have the FRAPS for any admin that wants to see it. As for the DT cycle, we only started it when we were actually going for the golems. Your lack of knowledge in raiding probably confuses you.

Yeah, the DT cycle just happened to last like 5 hours that day it took you so long to kill golems. Oh and you didn't leap frog for CT?

Sure as fuck felt like we had killed a bunch of Amys while your group sat and watched until enough were dead that you rushed through and grabbed CT. That didn't happen though, right?

[Humerox]

Just read through the "Top 5 Guilds" thread Tam...lovely stuff there.

[Harrison]

Divinity was the first guild to ever camp a mob on this server

True story

Wrong.

[azxten]

Oh and why the fuck do I have any reason to lie? WI is dead as a result of the gayness that is IB and Divinity and I'm done raiding here forever.

I had a week of raiding to see that the only guilds getting kills are the ones breaking the raiding rules. Enough to know the only options are camping mobs or breaking server rules in retaliation and hoping the GMs come out in your favor.

[anthony210]

Yeah, the DT cycle just happened to last like 5 hours that day it took you so long to kill golems. Oh and you didn't leap frog for CT?

Sure as fuck felt like we had killed a bunch of Amys while your group sat and watched until enough were dead that you rushed through and grabbed CT. That didn't happen though, right?

Leapfrog? Maybe, but that is competition... There is no claiming CT until you are actually fighting him. We did not ask you to clear the temple for us but you went ahead and did it. Did you think we would just say to ourselves "oh they cleared the temple I guess CT is theirs." Really?

Exploit? No

[Humerox]

Yeah, the DT cycle just happened to last like 5 hours that day it took you so long to kill golems. Oh and you didn't leap frog for CT?

Sure as fuck felt like we had killed a bunch of Amys while your group sat and watched until enough were dead that you rushed through and grabbed CT. That didn't happen though, right?

You talking about the day that Trans, Div, WI, and DA were all in zone? And you're blaming us? We had to log out. just as much as you guys did, lol.

Spending several hours clearing for CT is leapfrogging? With the new FTE rules, we didn't even bitch when DA zoned in with 35+ and zerg-rushed him to 94%. You CAN'T leap frog CT, lol.

[xorbier]

Oh and why the fuck do I have any reason to lie? WI is dead as a result of the gayness that is IB and Divinity and I'm done raiding here forever.

I had a week of raiding to see that the only guilds getting kills are the ones breaking the raiding rules. Enough to know the only options are camping mobs or breaking server rules in retaliation and hoping the GMs come out in your favor.

well said

[anthony210]

Can you please quote a server rule that Divinity has broken?

No we did not exploit any DT mechanics in Fear. Each DT cycle was caused from eather killing a golem or accidently agro causing EVERYONE to relog.

This is getting retarded...

[G13]

Wrong.

http://project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4921&highlight=Divinity

Our guild was excited about the chance to get Vox. We maintained a camp there because we wanted a shot at it. When the call went out for Vox...we didn't have near that many people on.

I'm very happy that you guys managed to down her, just unhappy as to how you got to attempt her. Where is the competitive spirit of racing to a mob? I'd hate to toss mud again in Trans's direction but this whole "if we can't race 'em camp 'em" mentality is just extremely lame.

So don't think of this post as being all bitter over losing a dragon. I'm happy for Divinity (those that know me online know I'm a reasonable guy). The zerg doesn't bother me, the camp certainly does. I've said my piece so troll away.

[Virtuosos]

um we didnt train, all we did was run alabar in to hit vox, next thing we see is a few random guild members in either div or DA follow behind us to see whats up....then some random fucking wolves came out of nowhere and a few TT's.....


next thing i know is vox is chasing after someone, then vox is sitting in the king room.....then vox is fighting her way back.

if anything, everyone ELSE trained US....vox shoulda been ours bitches -.-!


:p

[Harrison]

Lol I'll let you do some more searching, and let you figure out where you went wrong on your own...

[Humerox]

Why do I have to rexplain that post every time G13?

CAMPING was me and Daydrem for the most part, and occasional guildees checking in to see how things were going. We sat and chatted with IB trackers for most of a single night.

This was before camping = poopsocking, and you give the impression that we had a whole guild force there...which we didn't.

We never did that again, either. :p

[stormiejs]

All i'm reading is: "QQ, we can't get any bosses when we actually have to compete for them, so we're going to cry on the forums about it".

Instanced pve -> World of Warcraft

cya

[Dukat]

Who the hell cares what spot you are on the server?



Certain people on this server do.

I've realized that there are certain values each of the guilds take as primary. IB is about winning, no matter the cost even if personal relationships suffer in the pursuit. Divinity is about doing the right thing most of the time, or at least appearing to. To me, Trans is about being friends that stay cool through whatever, good or bad. We also raid, often and well. Anyway this is all just my purely subjective opinion and I hope it helps anyone who is new to the server and is looking for a clue.

[G13]

Why do I have to rexplain that post every time G13?

CAMPING was me and Daydrem for the most part, and occasional guildees checking in to see how things were going. We sat and chatted with IB trackers for most of a single night.

This was before camping = poopsocking, and you give the impression that we had a whole guild force there...which we didn't.

We never did that again, either. :p

You guys had a lot of people camped out there

Stop playing semantics. You didn't beat IB in a race to her spawn when she popped. People logged in or were already logged in, giving you the numbers to take the first claim.

[azxten]

Can you please quote a server rule that Divinity has broken?

Can you please quote a server rule that DA has broken? Leap frogging is gay. It might not be a server rule but it makes your guild out to be incredible dicks.

Here's how it went down...

WI clears all of Fear and right as we're about to call it quits CT spawns. We wipe, reform, get more members, etc. At this point there are 58 people in Feerrot and no one in Fear (or possibly a couple scouts). I know this because I have a screen shot of /who in the zone. I can see about 48/58 on my window and not a single Divinity member is on the list. You did have maybe 5-10 people though sitting together near us.

We zone in along with Transcendence and loot our gear, res, etc. Pretty much the MOMENT that we finished ressing the DT cycles started and didn't stop for HOURS. Our guild leadership stated that it was Divinity people starting the DT cycle. At this point Divinity still has significantly less people in zone than either WI or Trans.

Eventually as a result of all the relogging Divinity has managed to find the time to get more people in zone. Neither WI or Trans could get to Draco because of all the relogging. Somehow Divinity manages to beat everyone else at the relogging game (Hmm.. I wonder why) and kills Draco right out from under us literally pulls seconds after we had planned to pull except 4 (FOUR) of our Clerics got DTd in a row so we had to abort, relog, and watch Div pull.

Apparently Divinity was fighting golems at the same time here because all DT cycles started from golems or accidents so they must have just snagged Draco because why not? Not to mention seconds earlier only our guild was eating DTs showing Divinity successfully avoided this last crucial cycle.

Now having killed Draco.. the DT cycles continue for a few more hours while both Divinity and WI sit around wondering what the other will do first. Eventually WI gets tired of relogging every 30 seconds and so we start to clear Amys knowing Divinity will just trigger DT along the way and leap frog us when its time. This is exactly what happens.

Divinity celebrates not having to camp for their mobs because why camp when you can combine game mechanic exploits with leap frogging?

Oh and don't forget the last part.. Divinity members come and trash talk DA for camping mobs and brag about their superior competition skills. Eat a dick guys.

[azxten]

P.S. Our only escape from the DTs was a short 10-15 mins when the person in Divinity (I forget name unfortunately) who was starting DTs over and over died thus further cementing your reputation for being homos.

[Humerox]

Can you please quote a server rule that DA has broken? Leap frogging is gay. It might not be a server rule but it makes your guild out to be incredible dicks.

Here's how it went down...

WI clears all of Fear and right as we're about to call it quits CT spawns.

Pretty much the MOMENT that we finished ressing the DT cycles started and didn't stop for HOURS. Our guild leadership stated that it was Divinity people starting the DT cycle. At this point Divinity still has significantly less people in zone than either WI or Trans.

We have a pretty good idea about who was DT cycling, and it wasn't you, us or Trans. You're forgetting - or didn't know - about a certain monk that was in zone, and the golem stacking.

Somehow Divinity manages to beat everyone else at the relogging game (Hmm.. I wonder why) and kills Draco right out from under us literally pulls seconds after we had planned to pull except 4 (FOUR) of our Clerics got DTd in a row so we had to abort, relog, and watch Div pull.

I'll leave the rest of the post alone, but c'mon. Seriously?

[Supreme]

Can you please quote a server rule that DA has broken? Leap frogging is gay. It might not be a server rule but it makes your guild out to be incredible dicks.

Here's how it went down...

WI clears all of Fear and right as we're about to call it quits CT spawns. We wipe, reform, get more members, etc. At this point there are 58 people in Feerrot and no one in Fear (or possibly a couple scouts). I know this because I have a screen shot of /who in the zone. I can see about 48/58 on my window and not a single Divinity member is on the list. You did have maybe 5-10 people though sitting together near us.

We zone in along with Transcendence and loot our gear, res, etc. Pretty much the MOMENT that we finished ressing the DT cycles started and didn't stop for HOURS. Our guild leadership stated that it was Divinity people starting the DT cycle. At this point Divinity still has significantly less people in zone than either WI or Trans.

Eventually as a result of all the relogging Divinity has managed to find the time to get more people in zone. Neither WI or Trans could get to Draco because of all the relogging. Somehow Divinity manages to beat everyone else at the relogging game (Hmm.. I wonder why) and kills Draco right out from under us literally pulls seconds after we had planned to pull except 4 (FOUR) of our Clerics got DTd in a row so we had to abort, relog, and watch Div pull.

Apparently Divinity was fighting golems at the same time here because all DT cycles started from golems or accidents so they must have just snagged Draco because why not? Not to mention seconds earlier only our guild was eating DTs showing Divinity successfully avoided this last crucial cycle.

Now having killed Draco.. the DT cycles continue for a few more hours while both Divinity and WI sit around wondering what the other will do first. Eventually WI gets tired of relogging every 30 seconds and so we start to clear Amys knowing Divinity will just trigger DT along the way and leap frog us when its time. This is exactly what happens.

Divinity celebrates not having to camp for their mobs because why camp when you can combine game mechanic exploits with leap frogging?

Oh and don't forget the last part.. Divinity members come and trash talk DA for camping mobs and brag about their superior competition skills. Eat a dick guys.


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[Barfight]

Wow, I feel like a broken record here. How can so much discipline and restraint on the forums on our part go out the window so fast? The forum trolls want to get you guys, and you let them do it.

Azxten, I applaud your attempts at propaganda but your "facts" are so far from the truth its humorous to read. Your only goal was to make us look bad by lying.

Oh, and G13, Trans did the first sock on the server. /shrug The difference with us was we only planned on staying there for a few hours, not 4 days. We got lucky and people remember it.

/post off

[azxten]

I'll leave the rest of the post alone, but c'mon. Seriously?

This is how it went...

WI Cleric DTd

"Going to pull Draco in a sec"

WI Cleric DTd

"Need to pull him now"

WI Cleric DTd

"Ok, pull Draco now!"

"Pulling!"

WI Cleric DTd

"Fuuuck, relog.. don't pull"

WI Relogs and while we're relogging Divinity pulls Draco. Just some amazing timing and coincidence there that right before Divinity pulls Draco the DT cycle stops and Divinity isn't on the list and then it quickly resumes again after Draco.

[G13]

We have a pretty good idea about who was DT cycling, and it wasn't you, us or Trans. You're forgetting - or didn't know - about a certain monk that was in zone, and the golem stacking.

Who was rezing this monk for him to be able to keep doing it? Just curious.

Oh, and G13, Trans did the first sock on the server. /shrug The difference with us was we only planned on staying there for a few hours, not 4 days. We got lucky and people remember it.

That's fine bro. First, second. Doesn't really matter much. I just wish some of your members wouldn't act like DA invented or something and claim some type of morale superiority. Every guild has skeletons in their closet here.

[azxten]

Azxten, I applaud your attempts at propaganda but your "facts" are so far from the truth its humorous to read. Your only goal was to make us look bad by lying.

My entire raiding experience on this server basically consists of this one event. I think I know it pretty well. What motivation do I have to make you look bad? What motivation do I have to lie? I'm selling my account, I never plan to raid again, I'm not even in a guild and my previous guild is disbanded.

Why bother? I know what I saw and I'm simply relating it here because it annoys me to see Divinity members acting like they strictly follow server rules, beat everyone else at honest competition for raid mobs, and so on.

Regardless of anything relating to DTs you still camped right next to another guild, watched them clear out mobs leading up to a raid target, and then leap frogged. This is a fact and even if it's not a server rule it makes you guys HUGE ASSHOLES.

You have ZERO right to bitch and act superior to a guild that has to camp raid mobs when you turn around and leap frog guilds that don't camp. You guys are sitting here on one hand crying that if a guild camps mobs it means everyone has to camp mobs then on the other hand if a guild doesn't camp mobs you'll sit there behind them waiting for your chance to take advantage of them doing the work.

[Zenlina]

Can you please quote a server rule that DA has broken? Leap frogging is gay. It might not be a server rule but it makes your guild out to be incredible dicks.

Here's how it went down...

WI clears all of Fear and right as we're about to call it quits CT spawns. We wipe, reform, get more members, etc. At this point there are 58 people in Feerrot and no one in Fear (or possibly a couple scouts). I know this because I have a screen shot of /who in the zone. I can see about 48/58 on my window and not a single Divinity member is on the list. You did have maybe 5-10 people though sitting together near us.

We zone in along with Transcendence and loot our gear, res, etc. Pretty much the MOMENT that we finished ressing the DT cycles started and didn't stop for HOURS. Our guild leadership stated that it was Divinity people starting the DT cycle. At this point Divinity still has significantly less people in zone than either WI or Trans.

Eventually as a result of all the relogging Divinity has managed to find the time to get more people in zone. Neither WI or Trans could get to Draco because of all the relogging. Somehow Divinity manages to beat everyone else at the relogging game (Hmm.. I wonder why) and kills Draco right out from under us literally pulls seconds after we had planned to pull except 4 (FOUR) of our Clerics got DTd in a row so we had to abort, relog, and watch Div pull.

Apparently Divinity was fighting golems at the same time here because all DT cycles started from golems or accidents so they must have just snagged Draco because why not? Not to mention seconds earlier only our guild was eating DTs showing Divinity successfully avoided this last crucial cycle.

Now having killed Draco.. the DT cycles continue for a few more hours while both Divinity and WI sit around wondering what the other will do first. Eventually WI gets tired of relogging every 30 seconds and so we start to clear Amys knowing Divinity will just trigger DT along the way and leap frog us when its time. This is exactly what happens.

Divinity celebrates not having to camp for their mobs because why camp when you can combine game mechanic exploits with leap frogging?

Oh and don't forget the last part.. Divinity members come and trash talk DA for camping mobs and brag about their superior competition skills. Eat a dick guys.

Kind of reminds me about another time DA was up there and the same shit happen, Cept IB had CT claim and we going for draco, but the DT just keep going off, and the zone crashed cos some dick explioting bug, and eventually lost draco to div. At the time was thinkin why would IB do this shit when they have claim to CT, now maybe it was div all along.

[Humerox]

This is how it went...

WI Cleric DTd

"Going to pull Draco in a sec"

WI Cleric DTd

"Need to pull him now"

WI Cleric DTd

"Ok, pull Draco now!"

"Pulling!"

WI Cleric DTd

"Fuuuck, relog.. don't pull"

WI Relogs and while we're relogging Divinity pulls Draco. Just some amazing timing and coincidence there that right before Divinity pulls Draco the DT cycle stops and Divinity isn't on the list and then it quickly resumes again after Draco.

If not for the clerics, it sounds like you may have beat us to Draco. That's competition. If that had happened to us, we would have moved on to CT without a single complaint.

Playing a DT cycle when you're competing for a mob is pretty stupid. It doesn't win anything except massive relogs for everybody. Like I said, we have a good idea about who it was that day, but we considered it something we had to live with.

Just to reiterate...from your post, you seem to think clearing a plane gives someone the right to a spawn. You need to re-read the raid rules.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Kind of reminds me about another time DA was up there and the same shit happen, Cept IB had CT claim and we going for draco, but the DT just keep going off, and the zone crashed cos some dick explioting bug, and eventually lost draco to div. At the time was thinkin why would IB do this shit when they have claim to CT, now maybe it was div all along.

And then someone said, "Hey, let's blame Alawen for the zone crash bug," despite the fact that I've never used third party software or exploits or any of that crap on any server of any game, ever. But hey, why not smear a guy's reputation based on random bullshit just because you don't like him?

Fuck you.

[Shannacore]

And then someone said, "Hey, let's blame Alawen for the zone crash bug," despite the fact that I've never used third party software or exploits or any of that crap on any server of any game, ever. But hey, why not smear a guy's reputation based on random bullshit just because you don't like him?

Fuck you.

Alawen, you are a legit dude.

[azxten]

WI could have pulled a Divinity and sat there waiting for hours and hours for you to clear temple instead but we have lives and don't enjoy that kind of raiding. It was clear Divinity wanted to force this situation and was willing to wait 7 days if that's what it took for their chance to leap frog.

How is this any better than camping mobs? It forces a lot of people to sit around doing nothing because one guild chose to do that first.

http://i.imgur.com/200C0.jpg

I still find it amazing that WI and Transcendence had like 3-4x the number of players EACH that Divinity had going into Fear after CT popped but SOMEHOW Divinity managed to end up with both Draco and CT after fielding more members much later.

You guys sure got lucky on those DT cycles!

[Humerox]

Who was rezing this monk for him to be able to keep doing it? Just curious.

Not sure what was going on...we had monks comping back telling us about someone's monk FD'd near stacked golems.

As for credibility, I'm laying mine on the line. I've defended positions for Divinity but never lied, and I've been a huge proponent of server fairness. Anyone that wants to crawl my posts will see that. I've always fought for what is fair to the entire server, not just for any individual guild or player.

If Divinity was playing this kind of bullshit, I'd have already dropped the tag. Divinity was not intentionally responsible for any DT's, nor have we ever trained, or otherwise played any kind of othe underhandedr crap to win. We've always done the best we can WITHIN the rule-set.

[Trimm]

Stuff and screenshot

I gotta say, that's a damn fine picture. You've changed my mind.:D

[Supreme]

I cannot let Divinity accept the blame....they are a good guild.

I started the DT script on accident...We also pulled the Draco on a opportunity pull. It pathed back after we wiped and they killed it.

So blame me.

[Cyph]

That's noble of you Supreme.*thumbs up*

[azxten]

I cannot let Divinity accept the blame....they are a good guild.

I started the DT script on accident...We also pulled the Draco on a opportunity pull. It pathed back after we wiped and they killed it.

So blame me.

So you started the DT script 500 times that night? Also, our pullers were watching Draco sitting around so it wasn't pathing anywhere when they pulled.

[Virtuosos]

no, we started it once....he isnt taking blame for the other 499 times lol

[Virtuosos]

rather, we started it the FIRST time, the original instigators....


rest of ya'll done fucked up though


:p

[Bashee_Feind]

rather, we started it the FIRST time, the original instigators....


rest of ya'll done fucked up though


:p

I'm trying to figure out if you ever post anything that's worth taking the time to read? All I ever see out of you is dumb shit.

[Bossco]

We zone in along with Transcendence and loot our gear, res, etc. Pretty much the MOMENT that we finished ressing the DT cycles started and didn't stop for HOURS. Our guild leadership stated that it was Divinity people starting the DT cycle. At this point Divinity still has significantly less people in zone than either WI or Trans.

Eventually as a result of all the relogging Divinity has managed to find the time to get more people in zone. Neither WI or Trans could get to Draco because of all the relogging. Somehow Divinity manages to beat everyone else at the relogging game (Hmm.. I wonder why) and kills Draco right out from under us literally pulls seconds after we had planned to pull except 4 (FOUR) of our Clerics got DTd in a row so we had to abort, relog, and watch Div pull.

Apparently Divinity was fighting golems at the same time here because all DT cycles started from golems or accidents so they must have just snagged Draco because why not? Not to mention seconds earlier only our guild was eating DTs showing Divinity successfully avoided this last crucial cycle.

Now having killed Draco.. the DT cycles continue for a few more hours while both Divinity and WI sit around wondering what the other will do first. Eventually WI gets tired of relogging every 30 seconds and so we start to clear Amys knowing Divinity will just trigger DT along the way and leap frog us when its time. This is exactly what happens.


Sounds like Divinity out maneuvered you guys over and over again. Well done, Divinity. =P

[...Raren]

Sounds to me Divinty is QQin like a bunch of little bitches because DA is spanking dat ass? Seems to me you guys got cocky because you been killing shit with no competition

[Kutter]

Sounds to me Divinty is QQin like a bunch of little bitches because DA is spanking dat ass? Seems to me you guys got cocky because you been killing shit with no competition

DA spankin' meat at spawns points for days. DA is about as much competition for them as you are a pillar of the community, asswipe.

[Bashee_Feind]

DA spankin' meat at spawns points for days. DA is about as much competition for them as you are a pillar of the community, asswipe.

I don't recall sitting at any spawn points for days on any of the targets in the past couple of days. You're an obvious troll.

[Kutter]

I don't recall sitting at any spawn points for days on any of the targets in the past couple of days. You're an obvious troll.

You got fuckn lucky is all. Less u gotz inside info. Fully raid buffed at Naggy just a couple hours before spawn. Vox u roll in just before spawn. Fuck u erudites.

[Bashee_Feind]

You got fuckn lucky is all. Less u gotz inside info. Fully raid buffed at Naggy just a couple hours before spawn. Vox u roll in just before spawn. Fuck u erudites.

Sounds like you're mad because we were prepared. I'm sorry for your luck. Maybe next time.

[Kutter]

Sounds like you're mad because we were prepared. I'm sorry for your luck. Maybe next time.

I wasn't doin shit but watchin. Prepared is sittin round spawn points waitin. Let's see how "lucky" u erudites really are over the next few weeks, eh?

[Comfortably]

This is hilarious. I love how Divinity continues to act like they are the "good guy".


Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is now against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership.

All Divinity does to kill CT is sit back, relax, consistently agro golems to trigger the DT cycle, mass 40-45 members, and laugh while other guilds (with smaller numbers) struggle due to the DT cycle, and need to log out to wipe agro. When another guild has cleared the viable pull spot, they move in and establish camp. Divinity has waited an hour for 5 mobs to be cleared by another guild in the temple just to leap frog CT. I'm glad you guys got shit on this week, and the fact that your ego is huge from 1 week of god kills, is even cuter!!! There is nothing wrong with sitting at the KNOWN end of a spawn window for 2 hours, and having your raid ready to engage. This tactic was done in live, and will continue to be done here.

[Comfortably]

Can you please quote a server rule that DA has broken? Leap frogging is gay. It might not be a server rule but it makes your guild out to be incredible dicks.

Here's how it went down...

WI clears all of Fear and right as we're about to call it quits CT spawns. We wipe, reform, get more members, etc. At this point there are 58 people in Feerrot and no one in Fear (or possibly a couple scouts). I know this because I have a screen shot of /who in the zone. I can see about 48/58 on my window and not a single Divinity member is on the list. You did have maybe 5-10 people though sitting together near us.

We zone in along with Transcendence and loot our gear, res, etc. Pretty much the MOMENT that we finished ressing the DT cycles started and didn't stop for HOURS. Our guild leadership stated that it was Divinity people starting the DT cycle. At this point Divinity still has significantly less people in zone than either WI or Trans.

Eventually as a result of all the relogging Divinity has managed to find the time to get more people in zone. Neither WI or Trans could get to Draco because of all the relogging. Somehow Divinity manages to beat everyone else at the relogging game (Hmm.. I wonder why) and kills Draco right out from under us literally pulls seconds after we had planned to pull except 4 (FOUR) of our Clerics got DTd in a row so we had to abort, relog, and watch Div pull.

Apparently Divinity was fighting golems at the same time here because all DT cycles started from golems or accidents so they must have just snagged Draco because why not? Not to mention seconds earlier only our guild was eating DTs showing Divinity successfully avoided this last crucial cycle.

Now having killed Draco.. the DT cycles continue for a few more hours while both Divinity and WI sit around wondering what the other will do first. Eventually WI gets tired of relogging every 30 seconds and so we start to clear Amys knowing Divinity will just trigger DT along the way and leap frog us when its time. This is exactly what happens.

Divinity celebrates not having to camp for their mobs because why camp when you can combine game mechanic exploits with leap frogging?

Oh and don't forget the last part.. Divinity members come and trash talk DA for camping mobs and brag about their superior competition skills. Eat a dick guys.

Karma was x2 Piccolo's lol.

[Kutter]

This is hilarious. I love how Divinity continues to act like they are the "good guy".


Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is now against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership.

All Divinity does to kill CT is sit back, relax, consistently agro golems to trigger the DT cycle, mass 40-45 members, and laugh while other guilds (with smaller numbers) struggle due to the DT cycle, and need to log out to wipe agro. When another guild has cleared the viable pull spot, they move in and establish camp. Divinity has waited an hour for 5 mobs to be cleared by another guild in the temple just to leap frog CT. I'm glad you guys got shit on this week, and the fact that your ego is huge from 1 week of god kills, is even cuter!!! There is nothing wrong with sitting at the KNOWN end of a spawn window for 2 hours, and having your raid ready to engage. This tactic was done in live, and will continue to be done here.

They kited adds, not CT you fuckn idiot. Not only do u fuck the game for everybody because of ur bullshit socking, you smear a guild everyone knows is better than that shit. Can't blame ya though because ur guild hasn't done anything but find ways around rules since u started.

When was the last time u beat anyone at all in a race to a boss mob? Fukn never. not fukn once.

[Barfight]

I have to say guys, thanks for the lols. It's been an entertaining thread of ghost stories =)

[Icecometus]

Sounds like Divinity out maneuvered you guys over and over again. Well done, Divinity. =P

Listen. We may have gotten a bit cocky, some of the kills we got over the previous two weeks were not mobs we were first to engage, they were mobs that Tranz, WI, Eminence and even DA had wiped to. Counting on peeps wiping to Draco, Inny and Naggy will not get anyone very far, these were windfalls.

There are accusations of leapfrogging, what happened with Naggy last week WI? We were obviously buffing up for an engage and you guys ran past us willy-nilly and buffless to wipe at Naggy's feet. Perhaps it was in spite.

DTs are part of the encounter in Fear. They suck but it is random who is hit.

The only true competitive raid is Fear, all the others are easily camped if the will is there. I don't blame DA for sitting at Naggy's spawn point during Peak Hours and waiting, you might as well. We were doing pretty much the same thing. Fair is Fair.

Having the Balls to pull CT with 10+ mobs still up is something I am proud of, the rush of backstabbing CT surrounded by so many mobs was so badass. I felt the spirit of true competition during the past two CT races and am sad that others feel that it was not fair. The facts are that Leapfrogging is not against he server rules and the nature of the race for CT requires strategy not just persistence.

For the last two weeks the raid scene has been different. Yes Divinity got the majority of kills but like I said a few were windfalls that are unlikely (wiping to Naggy) and others could have easily gotten them instead. It was fun while it lasted. Just glad I got to experience it :)

Shankton McGee 50 Rogue <Divinity>

[Kutter]

problem with Divinity is you got no balls. "oh, gee whiz, we fold. pure luck we got the kills we did". Maybe DA is better than you.

[Remiel]

Now that we have effectively get rid of poopsocking, we are faced with leapfrogging.

So instead of spending time and effort bitching and ranting, why dont we go straight to he real issue at hand and try to offer a potential solution?

the questions are:

Despite its obvious cons, is leapfrogging still largely preferable than poopsocking?

If so, is there a solution to solve leapfrogging while maintaining the FTE raid rule?

[Kinamur1999]

If so, is there a solution to solve leapfrogging while maintaining the FTE raid rule?

It's going to be impossible for any guild to do Cazic without being called leapfroggers when theres another guild in the zone. Honestly if there are 2-3 guilds clearing fear they are ALL going to feel they have the right and no matter which gets it the other is going to cry leapfrog.

Something say first to kill 2 golems gets CT would alleviate some of this bullshit, but guild drama is P99 and no matter how clean of a kill you get there's going to be 20, 40 in some cases, people sitting behind you screaming Cheats! Exploits! Hacks!

[Wrei]

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I'm very happy that you guys managed to down her, just unhappy as to how you got to attempt her. Where is the competitive spirit of racing to a mob? I'd hate to toss mud again in Trans's direction but this whole "if we can't race 'em camp 'em" mentality is just extremely lame.
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So don't think of this post as being all bitter over losing a dragon. I'm happy for Divinity (those that know me online know I'm a reasonable guy). The zerg doesn't bother me, the camp certainly does. I've said my piece so troll away.


G13 stop stealing my quotes. I demand royalty fees... Kidding aside it saddens me that the very thing I was worried about became a reality. Back then when this issue was brought up you all cried about how IB is whining on losing a dragon when the camp issue could have been fixed back then. Everyone had to endure the Poopsock wars which turned off a lot of players out of p99, and now DA is hellbent on bringing it back after getting spanked in Sky.

What baffles me is DA says:

1. We are the best in this server and IB cheats their way to the top.
2. We have some good to great players.
3. We got the numbers.
4. We got the dedication to raid hardcore.
5. If you lose a mob to us : A- Stop crying B- Your guild sucks
6. If you beat us to a mob: A- Stop hacking B- GM Favoritism C- Stop bending the rules

Yet, why can't you guys assert yourselves like IB did instead of resorting to the good ol Poopsock. Now that you guys have to camp at the "spawn" point, I'd love to see step 2 of the anti camp policy. Increase variance to + or - 4 days and see if all your skilled raiders can stay on your keyboards 24/7.

It's clear DA is trying to be great at something, they ARE the bar for poopsocking. If devs want to eliminate that part of the game all they need to do is use DA as the perfect lab rat. Keep increasing variance until DA stops pooping then you will have your answer on how to maintain the spirit of first to engage rule.

As for CT/Leapfrogging, everything is really muddy in Fear. A lot of misunderstanding can happen between pulling/kiting/DT cycles etc... this is why we all agreed on a set of player rules just for Fear (well aside from the retards in D..*cough* sorry FB who were too cool to agree to anything). Perhaps it's that time again to establish new custom rules just for Fear?

PS: Hopefully people with some pride in DA can step up and stop this nonsense before it becomes accepted behaviour once more.

PPS: Keep it legit guys or no respect!

[xorbier]

If you call competition camping then sure we are butthurt. Do not mistake whats happening now for competition this is not competition. We refuse to camp raid targets, and since you guys cannot win a race to target, you are forced to camp. All of your raid targets this week with the exception of Draco and Vox were due to camping, congratz you win at camping!

Should we mention what happened with CT where you had REAL competition.

lmao, you did the same thing! Nice propaganda.

I'm sorry but ninja logging your members near Naggy and logging alts awaiting the spawn is pretty much the same thing. You guys are hilarious.

You all tried logging on as soon as he poped and we beat you too it.

QQ

[xorbier]

And then someone said, "Hey, let's blame Alawen for the zone crash bug," despite the fact that I've never used third party software or exploits or any of that crap on any server of any game, ever. But hey, why not smear a guy's reputation based on random bullshit just because you don't like him?

Fuck you.

I know a few including myself blame you for the zone crashes cause you were a dick on multiple occasions during many fear and hate raids. As I recall you would routinely use shout to incite other guilds and bash them about how much they sucked compared to IB. Perhaps it was in a joking manner but after seeing it on numerous occasions it sure made me think you were a douche.

Also, you conveniently were always around for zone crashes. While i have no proof of this your attitude in game and in shouts led me to believe you were a pos and capable of such things.

[MrSquirrelbane]

Hi there Mr. WI applicant. I watched WI sit there and wait for US to pull temple so you cats could pull CT. We were at a stalemate at that point. Eventually you guys decided to break the stalemate. Divinity even helped clear the temple a bit. That entire night was going to come down to which guild was willing to pull CT first and with how many temple mobs left up. We pulled him with about 10 temple mobs (woulda loved to have peeled out that glare lord, but such is life) still up. You guys didn't.

Ah the fun of the DT cycles...

The moment CT starts to DT he puts everyone in the zone on his hate list. You get off this hate list by camping (or using FD if you can, but that can be buggy and doesn't always work.) Divinity had a simple idea. If one of our raid got DTed we all camped. Seemed to work pretty well! So if by "exploiting" you mean "Divinity raid leadership knew how DT cycles worked and effectively countered it" you are correct :D Often times we would camp out and come back BEFORE WI even started to camp. I know this because I never camped. I FDed and watched /who.

As for who was starting them it is impossible to tell one way or another. Cazic DT cycles can be started a number of ways. If someone aggros a golem CT will start to DT. If someone aggros draco CT will start to DT. If someone aggros a mob and they propagate their hate list to a mob close enough to CT to get him angry, guess what? CT will start to DT. Its all very random and annoying. I will admit that we did start at least 6 DT cycles. Twice during the draco pulls. twice when killing the remaining two golems, once when a stupid monk (hi me!) ran a bit to close to a golem, and once when we pulled CT.

Anyway I'm done! Back to packing the house for my move to Austin.

[Virtuosos]

I'm trying to figure out if you ever post anything that's worth taking the time to read? All I ever see out of you is dumb shit.


sorry if i dont post hateful or rageful things all the time :( tell you what though, since you apparently put way too much value into this game and into these forums, ill indulge your appetite for "meaningful posts" with a little truth inbehind what happened

the whole CT/Draco fight was basically a cluserfuck...the 3 guilds in there were all racing to clear far enough in to get first attack on Draco as well as preventing the others from attempting. The entire night we saw people repositioning themselves directly infront of the others raid (I.E Div moving in a direct path between tran's and basically everything, WI moving to East wall then Div moving to the FIRE wall then trans moving to the east wall ABOVE WI) and people were rushing the entire aspect of it. i can only speak for myself but our teamspeak was filled with suggestions and yells of "go pull draco now!" or "if you pull further west, you can get draco to the fetid house then contiune south to avoid divinity's clusterfuck".

Now, after we (all the guilds) cleared the majority of the SW corner area between the fetid house to graveyard to the worrywraith tower, it was begining to look like the time to pull draco. Problem though, Draco was never pathing out of the way of 4 to 6 phobo's leaving the pullers a very hard task....pull draco and train the raidforce or contiune trying to break while enduring DT's. About this time, Supreme decides its been long enough...he see's a very small chance and says fuck it, thus starting the DT cycle the first time. We all deal with it, regroup, and then another fuckwad starts it again....then again....then another time... finally it was to the point that we all felt like killing ourselves just to make it easier. A

bout this time, I became pretty bored as i usually am and decide to cause a few laughs and grins (something that i generally do because, well lets face it...im not a dumb prick who trolls forums looking for drama like you are) by running out there to where people were tracking draco (barfight and like three other monks). I crouch-snuck all the way there so avoid any sort of discovery by mobs if they were up, i barrel rolled into position behind a tree, and i used my uber-dwarf-sight to decide if draco would be worth pulling...he then started moving, some monk aggro'd on accident i assume, and i saw my chance...i ran up, shot an arrow at the son-of-a-bitch, and TOOK off...only to be blinded by a filthy nitemare of all things! so i figured nows my chance to be a true hero and i contiune running in the direction i assume is SW, i make it maybe out of the graveyard before dropping, and our next puller took over...pulled 6 mobs to our raid, we wipe and div cleans up after us.



all this while WI were clearing still or dealing with the dt's (they were getting hit pretty hard by those things)


so there, unbiased account of what happened



oh and go fuck off....figure you wouldnt be happy if i didnt add one more thing to try and start drama. problem is though, no matter how many times i say to fuck off, i really just dont care :/

[quido]

Even though I could AFK constantly, I don't; I shit in a sock because I want to be as cool as DA!

[Alawen Everywhere]

I know a few including myself blame you for the zone crashes cause you were a dick on multiple occasions during many fear and hate raids. As I recall you would routinely use shout to incite other guilds and bash them about how much they sucked compared to IB. Perhaps it was in a joking manner but after seeing it on numerous occasions it sure made me think you were a douche.

Also, you conveniently were always around for zone crashes. While i have no proof of this your attitude in game and in shouts led me to believe you were a pos and capable of such things.

Pull your head out of your ass. I gave you guys some shit on a single occasion because I was so sick of the boss camping. One time. One.

I was in zone for almost all of your kills in Plane of Fear BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONE I TRACKED FOR IB. I had one purpose and one purpose only: to ascertain the kill time so I knew when to start tracking again. I'm a fucking druid. Most of what I bring to a guild is porting people to raids and tracking boss spawns.

You didn't see it on numerous occasions. You saw me give you some shit one single time. On the other occasions, literally dozens of them, I said nothing in shout or ooc and the zone never crashed. What you should really be asking yourself is this question: "Did we ever experience a crash before Rallyd was in our guild?" Or maybe this question: "Did Rallyd get banned for crashing zones?"

Fuck you.

[Alawen Everywhere]

And I wasn't around for your Hate clears. I have never been bound in Plane of Hate. I was bound in Plane of Fear from the day I joined IB on January 29 until I returned home from Minnesota on August 12 and found myself in a death loop because of the new temple aggro code.

When you are this bad with facts, you should really shut the fuck up.

[Bashee_Feind]

sorry if i dont post hateful or rageful things all the time :( tell you what though, since you apparently put way too much value into this game and into these forums, ill indulge your appetite for "meaningful posts" with a little truth inbehind what happened

the whole CT/Draco fight was basically a cluserfuck...the 3 guilds in there were all racing to clear far enough in to get first attack on Draco as well as preventing the others from attempting. The entire night we saw people repositioning themselves directly infront of the others raid (I.E Div moving in a direct path between tran's and basically everything, WI moving to East wall then Div moving to the FIRE wall then trans moving to the east wall ABOVE WI) and people were rushing the entire aspect of it. i can only speak for myself but our teamspeak was filled with suggestions and yells of "go pull draco now!" or "if you pull further west, you can get draco to the fetid house then contiune south to avoid divinity's clusterfuck".

Now, after we (all the guilds) cleared the majority of the SW corner area between the fetid house to graveyard to the worrywraith tower, it was begining to look like the time to pull draco. Problem though, Draco was never pathing out of the way of 4 to 6 phobo's leaving the pullers a very hard task....pull draco and train the raidforce or contiune trying to break while enduring DT's. About this time, Supreme decides its been long enough...he see's a very small chance and says fuck it, thus starting the DT cycle the first time. We all deal with it, regroup, and then another fuckwad starts it again....then again....then another time... finally it was to the point that we all felt like killing ourselves just to make it easier. A

bout this time, I became pretty bored as i usually am and decide to cause a few laughs and grins (something that i generally do because, well lets face it...im not a dumb prick who trolls forums looking for drama like you are) by running out there to where people were tracking draco (barfight and like three other monks). I crouch-snuck all the way there so avoid any sort of discovery by mobs if they were up, i barrel rolled into position behind a tree, and i used my uber-dwarf-sight to decide if draco would be worth pulling...he then started moving, some monk aggro'd on accident i assume, and i saw my chance...i ran up, shot an arrow at the son-of-a-bitch, and TOOK off...only to be blinded by a filthy nitemare of all things! so i figured nows my chance to be a true hero and i contiune running in the direction i assume is SW, i make it maybe out of the graveyard before dropping, and our next puller took over...pulled 6 mobs to our raid, we wipe and div cleans up after us.



all this while WI were clearing still or dealing with the dt's (they were getting hit pretty hard by those things)


so there, unbiased account of what happened



oh and go fuck off....figure you wouldnt be happy if i didnt add one more thing to try and start drama. problem is though, no matter how many times i say to fuck off, i really just dont care :/

Wow, see. These are the types of posts I would expect from you. Not the silly nonsense that has nothing to to do with the post topic. Kudos, you proved me wrong. As for me being a troll, nah. I don't waste my time trolling posts. I do, however, call it like I see it. And I will add a line or two to correct someone who is assuming things or just all out making up stories (which seems to be the norm around here). People obviously get upset when a raid target is taken before them. Which is silly. I don't invest my life in this game, I play it when I don't have anything better to do. If there is something wrong with that, please let me know.

[Virtuosos]

but see, the silly nonsense is fun...people tend to take the game way too seriously (and sorry if i assumed you were one of them) and it gets old. i dont care enough about this game to sit afk for 3days (or whatever constitutes poopsocking now) to hope for a boss, but i damn sure will spend 3days tanking orcs in ecomms for noobs or in crushbone and passing out gear and talking to these little nublets :/

just a shame too many people base their playing styles on hopes of a raidboss popping, rather than what will let you have fun...if people have fun doing this 3day afk bullshit then i guess woot, but i cant believe there are alot of those kinds of people.

[Skope]

WI for some reason didn't feel it necessary to immediately camp during the DTs, which i thought was odd, but they were the one guild that would remain logged in and on the hate list the longest so that's probably the reason for the majority of DT's hitting them.

As for the poopsocking... guilds camping characters at a spawn point is common practice, even DA has done that, the difference is that DA had done that to 2 targets this past week with the intent to poopsock. Granted it was only several hours at a time, this will almost certainly stretch. This is exactly how poopsocking started, with guilds deciding that it would be wise to just leave your character logged in and hope for a pop because they weren't quick to pull the trigger on mobilization and tracking, this was then magnified when multiple guilds were doing it and then it subsequently stretched itself out over days.

The past 2 weeks there has been a lot of racing, and there was only one time that divinity had killed a target without any real competition (no guilds were actually aware it was up other than us, but we tracked, hopped on and ported in). No guild since the inception of these new rules decided to leave their characters logged in for hours and wait for spawn until DA decided it was their intent to do that.

Is it legal? Absolutely. I had issues with the rules from the first glance, knowing full-well that it left this option (or loophole, in my opinion) hoping that something like this wouldn't recur, and for a while it didn't. Targets were tracked, targets were raced to and targets were downed. But the fact is, many people think it's just flat-out wrong to leave your character logged in and waiting. Why? Because it technically doesn't jive well with the rules of first-to-engage. After months of poopsocking and keeping our mouths shut, the majority of the server really had enough of it, and rightfully so. This isn't the same poopsocking (the guild p'socking doesn't necessarily have the first shot, but you can see where the advantage lies), but there is still a very nasty taste in all of our mouths, and the one guild that it can really be attributed to is DA. There will be people saying they weren't the first, and that perhaps it isn't even poopsocking now, but the fact of the matter is they are and have been the single guild to use and abuse that tactic to its fullest and used (and will probably be using) that as their sole tactic for taking down a target.

My piece is said.

[xorbier]

You got fuckn lucky is all. Less u gotz inside info. Fully raid buffed at Naggy just a couple hours before spawn. Vox u roll in just before spawn. Fuck u erudites.

Oh now your story changes from days to hours... You're almost getting to the truth. In actuality many of us arrived at Naggy 20-30 minutes prior to the fight. Most of us have jobs. I know that's hard concept for you to understand as you want everything handed to you on a silver platter. I'm sorry but there is not welfare on project 99! haha

I hear wow has instanced raid zones. You should check it out!

[xorbier]

Pull your head out of your ass. I gave you guys some shit on a single occasion because I was so sick of the boss camping. One time. One.

I was in zone for almost all of your kills in Plane of Fear BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONE I TRACKED FOR IB. I had one purpose and one purpose only: to ascertain the kill time so I knew when to start tracking again. I'm a fucking druid. Most of what I bring to a guild is porting people to raids and tracking boss spawns.

You didn't see it on numerous occasions. You saw me give you some shit one single time. On the other occasions, literally dozens of them, I said nothing in shout or ooc and the zone never crashed. What you should really be asking yourself is this question: "Did we ever experience a crash before Rallyd was in our guild?" Or maybe this question: "Did Rallyd get banned for crashing zones?"

Fuck you.

Perhaps. You're still a douche with all your incessant flaming on the forums.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Perhaps. You're still a douche with all your incessant flaming on the forums.

If flaming on the forums make one a douche, then you are..?

[Bashee_Feind]

WI for some reason didn't feel it necessary to immediately camp during the DTs, which i thought was odd, but they were the one guild that would remain logged in and on the hate list the longest so that's probably the reason for the majority of DT's hitting them.

As for the poopsocking... guilds camping characters at a spawn point is common practice, even DA has done that, the difference is that DA had done that to 2 targets this past week with the intent to poopsock. Granted it was only several hours at a time, this will almost certainly stretch. This is exactly how poopsocking started, with guilds deciding that it would be wise to just leave your character logged in and hope for a pop because they weren't quick to pull the trigger on mobilization and tracking, this was then magnified when multiple guilds were doing it and then it subsequently stretched itself out over days.

The past 2 weeks there has been a lot of racing, and there was only one time that divinity had killed a target without any real competition (no guilds were actually aware it was up other than us, but we tracked, hopped on and ported in). No guild since the inception of these new rules decided to leave their characters logged in for hours and wait for spawn until DA decided it was their intent to do that.

Is it legal? Absolutely. I had issues with the rules from the first glance, knowing full-well that it left this option (or loophole, in my opinion) hoping that something like this wouldn't recur, and for a while it didn't. Targets were tracked, targets were raced to and targets were downed. But the fact is, many people think it's just flat-out wrong to leave your character logged in and waiting. Why? Because it technically doesn't jive well with the rules of first-to-engage. After months of poopsocking and keeping our mouths shut, the majority of the server really had enough of it, and rightfully so. This isn't the same poopsocking (the guild p'socking doesn't necessarily have the first shot, but you can see where the advantage lies), but there is still a very nasty taste in all of our mouths, and the one guild that it can really be attributed to is DA. There will be people saying they weren't the first, and that perhaps it isn't even poopsocking now, but the fact of the matter is they are and have been the single guild to use and abuse that tactic to its fullest and used (and will probably be using) that as their sole tactic for taking down a target.

My piece is said.

All I'm saying, is while sitting on the target.. There were duels and laughs shared by many. We weren't afk, we were all having an enjoyable time hanging out. I don't see where camping a raid target is any different than camping a spawn of your choice. Yeah, there's not as much killing as if you'd camp frenzy, but does that really make it that much different?

I sat in frenzy for 37 hours... Does that make me a bad person? A poopsocker so to speak? I'm not sure what the need for all the hatred is.. Vesica Dei was holding innoruuk's camp before DA. VD gave up and Senaiel said "it's all yours" and they left. DA didn't try to leapfrog them or go sit on the spawn point when VD was sitting on the ramp. DA respected VD's claims to inny and left it at that, until they left. I think alot of people pinpoint DA for their own reasons. But come on, DA is not the only ones doing this.

[Skope]

All I'm saying, is while sitting on the target.. There were duels and laughs shared by many. We weren't afk, we were all having an enjoyable time hanging out. I don't see where camping a raid target is any different than camping a spawn of your choice. Yeah, there's not as much killing as if you'd camp frenzy, but does that really make it that much different?

I sat in frenzy for 37 hours... Does that make me a bad person? A poopsocker so to speak? I'm not sure what the need for all the hatred is.. Vesica Dei was holding innoruuk's camp before DA. VD gave up and Senaiel said "it's all yours" and they left. DA didn't try to leapfrog them or go sit on the spawn point when VD was sitting on the ramp. DA respected VD's claims to inny and left it at that, until they left. I think alot of people pinpoint DA for their own reasons. But come on, DA is not the only ones doing this.

You've gotta be kidding me... poopsock is the only tactic DA has used to down a target since their inception. You were at naggy for at least 3-4 hours (we tracked) and had he not popped you most likely would have been sitting there for the other 2 days until his window was over. Simply look at the roster in DA now and tell me if you can name but a handful of names that were there from a month ago, then take those names and try to pinpoint those who had been in the guild since the beginning. I can only name two or three. I've had friends in DA (from the beginning) and the majority of them quit due to the poopsocking. Asking someone to acknowledge the claim that DA isn't the only guild doing it is asking the entire server to completely forget the last 4-5 months of this server's raid scene. Your guild decided to revert back to it's single tactic, tried and true. I can pretty much guarantee that you guys will be sitting at spawns for at least 1-2 days with 30-40 people.

New rules, same ol' tactics!

[xorbier]

If flaming on the forums make one a douche, then you are..?

I'm a responder to yours and others flames and propaganda bullshit. Just setting the truth straight.

So served.

Who was crashing the zones then?? Just curious! :)

[azeth]

I can pretty much guarantee that you guys will be sitting at spawns for at least 1-2 days with 30-40 people.

New rules, same ol' tactics!

Skope, completely disregarding any single guild - Do you not agree that if a guild chooses to keep "30-40 people" at a target, they then are conceding other targets?

I know what you're saying though.

[Kutter]

All I'm saying, is while sitting on the target.. There were duels and laughs shared by many. We weren't afk, we were all having an enjoyable time hanging out. I don't see where camping a raid target is any different than camping a spawn of your choice. Yeah, there's not as much killing as if you'd camp frenzy, but does that really make it that much different?

That's the fuckn problem. You don't understand the concept of competition. Sitting on a raid target for hours/days whatever...how can that be fuckn enjoyable? Knowing that by the virtue of you having your ass planted there wins you target, how can that give you any satisfaction? It's a loot-whore philosophy, and that's what people dislike. Most good guilds kicked loot-whores out on live.

[Kutter]

Skope, completely disregarding any single guild - Do you not agree that if a guild chooses to keep "30-40 people" at a target, they then are conceding other targets?

I know what you're saying though.

No, because every raid guild has a good idea of which spawn is coming next. Even with the variance it ain't hard to nail down, and ONE guild deciding to camp a target leads to the next, and so on. Just the way it was before the rules were changed, to stop that shit.

[azeth]

Most good guilds kicked loot-whores out on live.


Loot Whore - I do not think it means, what you think it means.

[Skope]

Skope, completely disregarding any single guild - Do you not agree that if a guild chooses to keep "30-40 people" at a target, they then are conceding other targets?

I know what you're saying though.

The issue is that targets very rarely pop at the same time, and this was the same argument brought against poopsocking in the beginning. Basically it doesn't hold water because of the way things spawn. They lost CT after track/mobilizing, they then poopsocked inny/naggy and 3 guilds showed up to vox pretty much at once (trans was there just before it popped actually). Then they went back to inny and poopsocked him until he fell. If a guild chooses to sit on a target for days in a window they have an advantage over those who don't and still track due to mobilization time. Are they hampered if they must move to other targets? No, not any more than any other guild that's tracking/mobilizing.

[Alawen Everywhere]

I'm a responder to yours and others flames and propaganda bullshit. Just setting the truth straight.

So served.

Who was crashing the zones then?? Just curious! :)

I honestly don't know, but the consensus within IB was that crashes seemed to follow Rallyd around during the IB vs Trans days (that predates me) and that they reappeared when Rallyd joined DA, so make of it what you will.

I know I can be an asshole, but I don't cheat or lie.

[hueylewis187]

Fuck me , I suck , I have nothing to do with this.

But I'd just like to refresh some of the server rules to you.

I find it lame as hell to go into a zone where another raid has cleared all the trash and take the named.

Q: Will the planes be open to everyone?
A: Yes. Please be respectful to your fellow players and respect their space. If there is a guild getting ready to raid Hate for some armor and they start pulling creatures, don't go up there and sit on top of them pulling mobs in their area as well. If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing Fear. Basically, don't be a douche bag.

Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: Any non-consensual disturbance or meddling from a raid which leads to another raid being disrupted will result in very harsh punishments. Anyone involved in disruptions will be banned for 1 week with possible action against their guild's leadership. Second offenses will be 2 weeks. Further offenses will be permanent. It is the responsibility of the raid leaders to control their members. We strongly suggest that you avoid other raids while in a zone.

It's JUST A GAME

[Kutter]

Loot Whore - I do not think it means, what you think it means.

It absolutely does. DA doesn't care about the competition to a raid target at all. They are loot-driven alone. Or do you think socking creates competition?

[Kutter]

Fuck me , I suck , I have nothing to do with this.

But I'd just like to refresh some of the server rules to you.

I find it lame as hell to go into a zone where another raid has cleared all the trash and take the named.

CT spawn causes a whole zone repop. That's the target everyones been QQing about, because the others can be socked.

Refresh your memory of how raid targets work. You can't claim CT by being there and farming trash.

[hueylewis187]

If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing Fear. Basically, don't be a douche bag.

[hueylewis187]

They were there already!!

You came into fear when another guild was there.

There guild is now broken apart.

Dbag move from an outsider looking in.

[Kutter]

So in other fuckn words, you're saying regardless of repop, if Guild A is in Fear when CT spawns, they have rights?

Welcome to a CONSTANT camp of fear, and whatever guild wants to farm the fuck out of CT until every Ranger has an Ammy.

That's fuckn retarded.

[Lostprophets]

CT spawn causes a whole zone repop. That's the target everyones been QQing about, because the others can be socked.

Refresh your memory of how raid targets work. You can't claim CT by being there and farming trash.

Here's an Idea! Make same script executible for Innoruuk thats used for CT, and make a random ire ghast patrol from the ent of hate all the way upstairs and such.

Death to Poopsockers!

[azeth]

Kutter are you new to the server, or just choose to post on your brand new account?

Regardless, you're missing the point that if Guild A chooses to allocate its member resources to hold an unspawned target they then cannot compete with other guilds on other targets.

[xorbier]

That's the fuckn problem. You don't understand the concept of competition. Sitting on a raid target for hours/days whatever...how can that be fuckn enjoyable? Knowing that by the virtue of you having your ass planted there wins you target, how can that give you any satisfaction? It's a loot-whore philosophy, and that's what people dislike. Most good guilds kicked loot-whores out on live.

Enough about what people dislike. We've heard you!

For someone complaining about loot whores, you sure seem to be bent out of shape for not getting any...

[Kutter]

Kutter are you new to the server, or just choose to post on your brand new account?

Regardless, you're missing the point that if Guild A chooses to allocate its member resources to hold an unspawned target they then cannot compete with other guilds on other targets.

It's not an allocation. The spread is wide enough for pops that you have only to make a choice occasionally on a window. You camp the mop most likely to pop. Works most of the time. The variance ain't as unpredictable as it should be either.

Then you have guild B, that says "Guild A is camping "x", we'll camp "y". Welcome back to forced rotation. Forced not by GM's, but by guilds willing to sock.

Is it THAT hard to figure out? It's PRECISELY what happened before.

[President]

Hey Guys, Whats up?

[Kutter]

Enough about what people dislike. We've heard you!

For someone complaining about loot whores, you sure seem to be bent out of shape for not getting any...

Fuck loot. I haven't ever gotten a piece of god loot, and don't give a shit. So why am I yellin'?

Because the way DA plays, only one or two guilds will ever get god loot on this server. And the shit will continue thru Kunark. People think this shit will stop at Kunark? ROTFLMAO.

The guild that made it the only way to compete is DA. They have the power to stop the hate. Stop camping, and compete. Simple.

[xorbier]

You've gotta be kidding me... poopsock is the only tactic DA has used to down a target since their inception. You were at naggy for at least 3-4 hours (we tracked) and had he not popped you most likely would have been sitting there for the other 2 days until his window was over. Simply look at the roster in DA now and tell me if you can name but a handful of names that were there from a month ago, then take those names and try to pinpoint those who had been in the guild since the beginning. I can only name two or three. I've had friends in DA (from the beginning) and the majority of them quit due to the poopsocking. Asking someone to acknowledge the claim that DA isn't the only guild doing it is asking the entire server to completely forget the last 4-5 months of this server's raid scene. Your guild decided to revert back to it's single tactic, tried and true. I can pretty much guarantee that you guys will be sitting at spawns for at least 1-2 days with 30-40 people.

New rules, same ol' tactics!

Right, kind of like that time DA out mobilized IB to Vox while having claim to CT and downing both. Oh that's right, you weren't there. Perhaps that’s why your drivel lacks substance or merit.

As to everyone being new in DA. Yes, a handful have left...this is a emu (emo) server and that's expected. Many others are busy with school and work and haven't logged in for awhile which I imagine every guild is going through. Yes, as any raiding guild would we've recruited new players. That's a good thing right?

[Kutter]

Right, kind of like that time DA out mobilized IB to Vox while having claim to CT and downing both. Oh that's right, you weren't there. Perhaps that’s why your drivel lacks substance or merit.

What happened to THAT DA? bring it back.

[Harrison]

That's fine bro. First, second. Doesn't really matter much. I just wish some of your members wouldn't act like DA invented or something and claim some type of morale superiority. Every guild has skeletons in their closet here.

No, DA just restarted something we all worked together to stop, because it's fucking sad.

The only decent thing DA has done since its inception was boot Hasbinbad.

[Kutter]

Here's you a challenge DA.

Use trackers, stop socking, and find out how good you really are. When you start winning mobs -which you can and will - through competition instead of socking, I guarantee you'll earn the respect on the server you think you deserve now.

[Bashee_Feind]

The issue is that targets very rarely pop at the same time, and this was the same argument brought against poopsocking in the beginning. Basically it doesn't hold water because of the way things spawn. They lost CT after track/mobilizing, they then poopsocked inny/naggy and 3 guilds showed up to vox pretty much at once (trans was there just before it popped actually). Then they went back to inny and poopsocked him until he fell. If a guild chooses to sit on a target for days in a window they have an advantage over those who don't and still track due to mobilization time. Are they hampered if they must move to other targets? No, not any more than any other guild that's tracking/mobilizing.

DA didn't lose CT due to lack of tracking or mobilizing. DA lost CT because Divinity jumped up and grabbed him. simple as that. And all 3 guilds showed up at the same time basically for Vox, Trans got us all wiped and DA was the first to jump back in after divinity was bind rushing.

[Bashee_Feind]

Here's you a challenge DA.

Use trackers, stop socking, and find out how good you really are. When you start winning mobs -which you can and will - through competition instead of socking, I guarantee you'll earn the respect on the server you think you deserve now.

Just speaking from a personal standpoint here, not for any guild. But I don't know you, and I really don't care what you think about me in an online game. You're taking this too serious. Maybe you should take a break. I'm kind of worried about you.

[Kutter]

DA didn't lose CT due to lack of tracking or mobilizing. DA lost CT because Divinity jumped up and grabbed him.

Is that your way of saying FTE sucks?

[Kutter]

Just speaking from a personal standpoint here, not for any guild. But I don't know you, and I really don't care what you think about me in an online game. You're taking this too serious. Maybe you should take a break. I'm kind of worried about you.

You misunderstand me then. :D

[Bashee_Feind]

Is that your way of saying FTE sucks?

You act like you've never gotten beat to a target?

[Kutter]

Point and score. I don't care about getting beat to a target. :D

[OngorDrakan]

Shut up Presidente!!

Death to Poopsockers!

[Kutter]

random guesses, eh?

He punts, and MISSES!

[eqdruid76]

You guys crack me up.

I'd love to observe ALL of you having to live together in a Biodome for a weekend. I wonder if the buttsecks would occur before or after the poopsocking?...

[President]

You guys crack me up.

I'd love to observe ALL of you having to live together in a Biodome for a weekend. I wonder if the buttsecks would occur before or after the poopsocking?...

We all know you like to get your ass pillaged but please keep it off the forums.

[Starklen]

I'm a responder to yours and others flames and propaganda bullshit. Just setting the truth straight.

So served.

Who was crashing the zones then?? Just curious! :)

Raren and/or Rallyd.

[eqdruid76]

We all know you like to get your ass pillaged but please keep it off the forums.

Says the ONE guy that gives anyone a claim to saying anything bad about Divinity.

Very, very disappoint.

[President]

Says the ONE guy that gives anyone a claim to saying anything bad about Divinity.

Very, very disappoint.

Says the guy who can no longer get into a guild once everyone figured out who his in game character was.

[xorbier]

Raren and/or Rallyd.

Last i checked those guys weren't in DA. C'mon Alawen, out the cheaters of IB! You love drama. ShowEQ still being used by a few? ;)

[Harrison]

Fishbait was crashing Fear, repeatedly.

We would be doing fear nice and smoothly, then Fagbait would log in and suddenly Fear would grind to a halt.

Hmmmm, who is Fishbait now? Dark Ascension? Coincidence?...

[Alawen Everywhere]

Last i checked those guys weren't in DA. C'mon Alawen, out the cheaters of IB! You love drama. ShowEQ still being used by a few? ;)

The only character I've seen that makes it super obvious that he or she is using ShowEQ is Chanto. I'm a tracker, remember? How would I know if someone else is using ShowEQ? It's always me (druid), Mellyn (druid) or Zilo (ranger) reporting on mobs up in zones that I'm in.

It is possible that someone within IB can crash Fear. We had a couple crashes back in the winter time when I first started when no one was there for a clear except 20-25ish IB members; no other guilds in zone. However, it's been suggested to me that it's possible that a player might not have to be in a zone to crash it, so I really have no idea.

I've never been very interested in breaking the rules. I don't really understand the point. I've quit several games because the cheating got to be so blatant and widespread that it was almost mandatory. A game is an arbitrary set of rules. The whole point of the game is to compete within that artificial ruleset. I've seen people cheat at solitaire and I'm absolutely perplexed by it.

[azeth]

I've seen people cheat at solitaire and I'm absolutely perplexed by it.

these people are the F2P PvP only gamers.

[G13]

G13 stop stealing my quotes. I demand royalty fees... Kidding aside it saddens me that the very thing I was worried about became a reality. Back then when this issue was brought up you all cried about how IB is whining on losing a dragon when the camp issue could have been fixed back then. Everyone had to endure the Poopsock wars which turned off a lot of players out of p99, and now DA is hellbent on bringing it back after getting spanked in Sky.

You called it. It was the logical conclusion to the how the raid rules were set up. It was only a matter of time before someone wanted a mob bad enough they'd just park 15 first in zone days in advance to claim it. I'm surprised it went on as long as it did to be honest.

[G13]

Fishbait was crashing Fear, repeatedly.

We would be doing fear nice and smoothly, then Fagbait would log in and suddenly Fear would grind to a halt.

Hmmmm, who is Fishbait now? Dark Ascension? Coincidence?...

Now you're just smoking crack

Gothic Circle never did fear "nice and smoothly"

[Fists]

Having the Balls to pull CT with 10+ mobs still up is something I am proud of, the rush of backstabbing CT surrounded by so many mobs was so badass. I felt the spirit of true competition during the past two CT races and am sad that others feel that it was not fair. The facts are that Leapfrogging is not against he server rules and the nature of the race for CT requires strategy not just persistence.

The mobs in the temple, ( that you waited an hour for us to start pulling ), didn't get to your camp until ct was at 30%, props, good thing the reaction time is being changed next patch <3 bum.

[Starklen]

Last i checked those guys weren't in DA. C'mon Alawen, out the cheaters of IB! You love drama. ShowEQ still being used by a few? ;)

Last I checked the zones haven't crashed since those players mysteriously vanished off the server. And yes, they were both in DA.

[Samuel]

So many anonymous troll accounts in this thread...

[Fists]

They kited adds, not CT you fuckn idiot. Not only do u fuck the game for everybody because of ur bullshit socking, you smear a guild everyone knows is better than that shit. Can't blame ya though because ur guild hasn't done anything but find ways around rules since u started.

When was the last time u beat anyone at all in a race to a boss mob? Fukn never. not fukn once.

ps. Never at any point in my EMU experience have i raided, or been with DA. Good assumption though, too bad you only made an ASS out of yourself. They did not KITE the ct adds, Bum looked at the coding and realized that there is a 9 second delay in which temple mobs react to the CT agro. Fixed next patch too!. Barfight and his crew of flunky ass monks were consistantly chaining dt's all night, and why wouldn't they? they had 20 more members than ANYONE else in the zone, RNG was quite in their favor. And to respond to a comment about WI being slow to log out, how would we know? Divinity started the cycles every 15 seconds for 3 FULL HOURS.

[Kutter]

They did not KITE the ct adds, Bum looked at the coding and realized that there is a 9 second delay in which temple mobs react to the CT agro. Fixed next patch too!. Barfight and his crew of flunky ass monks were consistantly chaining dt's all night, and why wouldn't they? they had 20 more members than ANYONE else in the zone, RNG was quite in their favor. And to respond to a comment about WI being slow to log out, how would we know? Divinity started the cycles every 15 seconds for 3 FULL HOURS.

Wow. If there was 9 second delay, it took until now to figure out, and only because the Divinity guys pulled CT with 15 fuckn adds. Like 9 seconds is gonna mean fuck all with that many adds. Seems like a far reach to think that starting a DT every 15 seconds for three hours wouldn't hurt them a bit.

I lumped you in with DA cuz ur just as fuckn stupid, u fuckn retard.

[Kutter]

They musta been sploiting when they beat CT with 15 adds too. right?

[Harrison]

Now you're just smoking crack

Gothic Circle never did fear "nice and smoothly"

Except, we did, often.

The only thing that EVER fucked us up in there was lag, DDoS, and your fag-ass guild crashing the zone to get competition out.

It never ceased to amaze me that every time the zone would crash, FB showed up minutes later after the lag caused a near-wipe, or a wipe.

[Kutter]

ya, this too. guess whoever said they were getting dangerously close to WI with their CT add kite musta been lying, since they weren't kiting adds according to you.

so who's lying?

[Kutter]

The mobs in the temple, ( that you waited an hour for us to start pulling ), didn't get to your camp until ct was at 30%, props, good thing the reaction time is being changed next patch <3 bum.

They got a fuckn fraps showing him at 91% with adds in. i saw the fuckn thing before they pulled it off youtube.

fag

[xorbier]

The only character I've seen that makes it super obvious that he or she is using ShowEQ is Chanto. I'm a tracker, remember? How would I know if someone else is using ShowEQ? It's always me (druid), Mellyn (druid) or Zilo (ranger) reporting on mobs up in zones that I'm in.

It is possible that someone within IB can crash Fear. We had a couple crashes back in the winter time when I first started when no one was there for a clear except 20-25ish IB members; no other guilds in zone. However, it's been suggested to me that it's possible that a player might not have to be in a zone to crash it, so I really have no idea.

I've never been very interested in breaking the rules. I don't really understand the point. I've quit several games because the cheating got to be so blatant and widespread that it was almost mandatory. A game is an arbitrary set of rules. The whole point of the game is to compete within that artificial ruleset. I've seen people cheat at solitaire and I'm absolutely perplexed by it.

First of all Golden boy. You’re the one that flings the shit around and then is amazed when people call you out on it. I respond to you with mostly sarcasm and am not very serious with my posts.

If you’re going to come here and spew your rhetoric about DA why don’t you take a step back and be a little bit honest with yourself and acknowledge that what you’ve said can equally be said about IB. Remember, everyone has their own version of the truth.

[xorbier]

Last I checked the zones haven't crashed since those players mysteriously vanished off the server. And yes, they were both in DA.

I believe the GMs have addressed this issue but I could be wrong. I did see the zones crash after those two were gone.

[Gwence]

Yea DA sucks, it's nothing new. Those of you getting a taste of their suck factor right now, my heart goes out to you!

Sky proved to be way to much for them to handle so they need to go back to what works for them, sadly that is the poopsock.

[Kutter]

The mobs in the temple, ( that you waited an hour for us to start pulling )

wtf were you queens doing for that hour? barney time?

ya I'm rippin your post up piece by piece. more fun that way, u anal viking.

[G13]

Except, we did, often.

The only thing that EVER fucked us up in there was lag, DDoS, and your fag-ass guild crashing the zone to get competition out.

It never ceased to amaze me that every time the zone would crash, FB showed up minutes later after the lag caused a near-wipe, or a wipe.

Shenanigans

GC was the short bus of the server filled with all the creeps and retards

I mean for fucks sake. They guilded you and made you an officer. Nuff said.

[Harrison]

They guilded an experienced raider with leadership experience in previous raiding guilds?! Dumbasses.

We always could have just sat on spawn points, exploited, cheated, trained, KS'd, and whined about IB all day,...but Fishbait/DA had that poopsocked too.

[G13]

They guilded an experienced raider with leadership experience in previous raiding guilds?! Dumbasses.

We always could have just sat on spawn points, exploited, cheated, trained, KS'd, and whined about IB all day,...but Fishbait/DA had that poopsocked too.

Gothic Circle never a did a damn thing of any significance on this server. They never killed a boss. They never pressured another guild. Nothing. The one time you retards actually had a legitimate claim you got on your knees and stroked IB's cock, giving them Naggy. I say more power to IB in that situation.

Did GC ever try to pressure another guild, call a timer, call a roll call? No

Did they ever engage a boss? Not that I'm aware of

Did I constantly see them wiping in Fear and everyone laughing at them as they begged other guilds to come save their sorry asses? Yes

You're acting like you would have had a chance at killing a mob while IB was still killing the same mobs. Not a chance. It's laughable that you sit there in your obvious delusions, thinking you would have ever killed a mob that DA or IB didn't want you to.

Now fuck off with you

[Harrison]

Lol DA can't kill dick unless they camp it. You are monumental clowns. You don't play the game. You zerg AFK(which is pretty amzing, in and of itself, that you can find that many tools willing to do so). That's it.

GC would have been a VERY different guild under my lead. I would have moved toward 100% raid oriented, stopped inviting anyone at any level etc. That wasn't up to me. Despite that we still got equipped in the planes and cleared hate and fear more than a few times. Unfortunately, none of those times had a boss popped while we were there. If they had, they would have died.

It's hard to raid something if you have no-life faggots in DA poopsocking, and subsequently forcing IB or anyone else who wishes to raid, doing the same. I assure you we had the ability to, by far. Which is why a massive portion of the end-game crowd left the server, they wanted to play. They didn't want to be like you mongoloids, sitting afk at a spawn for a week.

[G13]

I hate DA because they kill mobs and I didn't or something

I'm in absolute awe watching you attempt to try and paint GC as a competent raid guild or something. Or if only the mentally unstable lying asshat Finawin had led them, they would have given IB a run for their money or something. It's also even more amusing to watch you try and claim that GC would have been better than DA if only DA didn't "poopsock". Gothic Circle was a laughable joke of a guild. Always was and always will be.

[Starklen]

I believe the GMs have addressed this issue but I could be wrong. I did see the zones crash after those two were gone.

Feel free to cite an instance and correct me.

[randomer]

. Gothic Circle was a laughable joke of a guild. Always was and always will be.

abit like DA then the joke of the server.

[Quark]

First of all Golden boy. You’re the one that flings the shit around and then is amazed when people call you out on it. I respond to you with mostly sarcasm and am not very serious with my posts.

If you’re going to come here and spew your rhetoric about DA why don’t you take a step back and be a little bit honest with yourself and acknowledge that what you’ve said can equally be said about IB. Remember, everyone has their own version of the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEp6-MAFbCY

[G13]

abit like DA then the joke of the server.

Evidently you didn't play when GC stank up the server

Nothing will ever come close. End of story.

[Noleafclover]

YO, so I was there in WI for both CT fights where divinity kicked our sorry ass, aight. And ya'll spreading lies doesn't help the server. That second CT was the night I decided I was done w/ WI, because our leadership that night was the epitome of suck, even worse than the weeks prior. But for the lies:

1. RE: standoffs at temple. When it got down to ~20 mobs in zone, both us AND divinity (from my observations) had a policy of medding to full, letting the other guild do the pulls if they were doing them, and otherwise taking singles. I am a monk. I know what I'm talking about. I pulled temple. I pulled past div sitting there watching. I also pulled past div pulling. I also sat and watched on Bum's orders while div pulled. Goes both ways, Cannibus and Auena. And you know that shit. You were there too.

2. RE: death touch cycles. Yes, the 2nd CT, ~80% of the DT cycles were non-WI. We also didn't pull golems that night. Things were very different the first time when we pulled golems, and there wasn't nearly as much bitching in vent about DT cycles.

Important to note that no proof was ever given in vent as to who started which DT cycles, whether trans, or div, or as div says: some mysterious trainer (I'm picturing like Twopair here, IDK though). It was an urban legend in vent told mostly by Bumamgar, and several of ya'll drank the kool-aid.

Like to also point out, the DT-cycle rage didn't get REAL loud until we actually lost on the strategy part of the competition. Which is what CT is now... a competition. The conversation AFTER the second CT loss in vent was something VERY like:

"well rogean finally responded to my comment about their starting the DT cycles with a sad face, but he's not going to do anything about it." - Bum

"They griefed us all night, that's such bullshit, there should be an addendum to the raid rules. We had several members log because of it, or else we would have gotten CT." - Bum

"Dude, none of that matters. On the important part, we just lost." - me
"RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE" - Bum, Gab, Aue, others

3. Leapfrogging - Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. Yes, both CTs, divinity showed up 15 minutes after we did or so. So what? Situation reversed, you're saying you would have said "oh, no, they zoned into fear and have cleared 10 mobs already, we're not going in." Bullshit. Sooooooo hypocritical. It's the game. It's competition. It's the new raid rules. A div member pointed out that we leapfrogged them later at naggy, since they were closer to/buffing up when we logged on (having just done FGs), and I'm not sure if the div member was pissed (if he was then lol on him, but I think more likely he was just making the point of how hypocritical it is), but that's essentially the same amount of leapfrogging. the 15 FGs vs. the 10-20 mobs we cleared in fear both times before they entered the zone.


While I'm on that second CT night, I just want to post also a repeated convo I had with Bum in vent -
"Right now, just get rezzed, get buffed up, focus on that, we'll worry about CT when there's one or two mobs in the zone." - Bum
"Dude, don't you think we should pull when there're more mobs, we wiped w/ 6 last time w/ no enches and bad positioning on our first shot. And div cleared w/ 4 still up. They're not gonna wait for 1 or 2 mobs and then let us pull over and above that."
"RIIIIIIGHT NOW, just do that. Don't worry about it."

No plan at all. Honestly, really happy you're taking your drill-sergeant, no imagination, dream-world failure leadership elsewhere. That doesn't go for Spirell, just Bum and Aue.

It's a really dick thing to say, but I hope it makes you think twice about taking good advice/thinking in advance/being creative, maybe you'll enjoy the game more for it when you see some success instead of just "___ wishes to cast Resurrection upon you."

[Harrison]

Evidently you didn't play when GC stank up the server

Nothing will ever come close. End of story.

Oh, you've come close, surpassed, and now are untouchable in levels of suck.

Fishbait/DA is the worst thing to happen to this entire server besides the DDoSer. That is pretty much a generally accepted fact.

[Deeps]

I would join a guild like GC before a guild like DA

[Comfortably]

Wow. If there was 9 second delay, it took until now to figure out, and only because the Divinity guys pulled CT with 15 fuckn adds. Like 9 seconds is gonna mean fuck all with that many adds. Seems like a far reach to think that starting a DT every 15 seconds for three hours wouldn't hurt them a bit.

I lumped you in with DA cuz ur just as fuckn stupid, u fuckn retard.

Wow, not only is this guy impressive with the fact that he responds to every post within seconds, but he just doesn't understand any concept of anything.

Here's a good fact, if you pull ct at the farthest path from the temple, + added delay, that would mean mobs wouldn't come into the fight for 35-45 seconds. Plenty of time for their army of 50 to get CT low enough to "kite mobs". Kite mobs for them meant an eventual bind rush 30 minute fiasco of regrouping their raid. Sure, they kited adds, when there was 6 people left in camp. I don't think Divinity leap frogged WI at all, they couldn't have, they cleared the golems. But they used agroing the golems as a tactic to thin out trans/wi's numbers all night long. Is it just a coincidence that they magically knew when to log out to avoid cycles?

~ Kutter, you have some really serious anger issues. Maybe you should wake up tomorrow without your dads dick in your ass, and come to the computer that you sit at for hours a day, unemployed; with a glorious smile on your face!

[Sigmastorm]

I would apply for GC, disband and apply again before joining IB.

[Gorgetrapper]

I'm in absolute awe watching you attempt to try and paint GC as a competent raid guild or something. Or if only the mentally unstable lying asshat Finawin had led them, they would have given IB a run for their money or something. It's also even more amusing to watch you try and claim that GC would have been better than DA if only DA didn't "poopsock". Gothic Circle was a laughable joke of a guild. Always was and always will be.

Funny how a lot of ex-GC members are either part of IB/DA (a few to Divinity). So the members that made up the guild, are part of the other two. So you must be in agreement that both DA and IB are laughable jokes as raiding guilds on this server.

[G13]

Funny how a lot of ex-GC members are either part of IB/DA (a few to Divinity). So the members that made up the guild, are part of the other two. So you must be in agreement that both DA and IB are laughable jokes as raiding guilds on this server.

Not as many as you think.

I don't know what server you played on since Oct 2009, but it sure wasn't P99 if think GC wasn't the biggest joke of a guild to ever grace P99

There really isn't anything more that needs to be said about it

[Deeps]

Bronson, you are basically the biggest joke of the rants and flames forums. DA/FB was/is probably the absolute worst thing to hit p99. Its so funny to listen to this clown actually hack on another guild after the embarassment you guys pulled trying to do sky. Its funny how one by one all the DA members who can see through your retard propaganda are making their way far away from you. GC was skilled and raided clean. GC had a respectable raid force of 20-30 peeps. About 10-15 of them raid in other well respected guilds. Others quit, or play alts. Every guild will wipe from time to time on a raid, even the mighty IB. I remember DA having to camp a cleric out on nw and wiping your raid just to get into fear, at least until you guys got your full zerg on. Funny how when your most skilled puller left for greener pastures your raids turned into complete shit shows. There is shame in poopsocking, and IB took no pride in it. IB does stuff the right way, and thats why people like me hang there. DA prefers the shady way, and thats why bullshit artists like you chill there. It's so fn hilarious to listen to your ex members talk about how shitty DA is now compared to IB. It really is music to my ears. Cause the funny thing is, there was a time when DA could give IB a run for its money. But, you guys blew it, you and your band of FB loudmouth bullshit artists.

G13, just play the game and stay off the forums, I know you get bored poopsocking, and you like to come here and make up lies to make yourself feel better. But, it just makes you look dumb. These people are right, it doesnt take skill to poopsock, so why try to act like DA is still hot shit?

Now the rest of the server gets to know how fn "pro" you guys are! It's sad too cause all the apps leaving your guild for mine are fn kool guys who know their shit, but got fn fed up with people like you. So thank you for running away your honorable players, and have a fun poopsock.

[G13]

Bronson, QQ

Bro I know you were in that scrub guild and I hit a sore spot, so I forgive your QQ. /Hug. I'm going to be straight with you and serious for just a moment. All flaming and "Me VS Him" BS aside. If I don't do things the way you want me to, you're supposed to hate me because I have a different guild tag than you do or something. Or you don't like something I said in R and F, so you actually really hate me IRL and want to fight my mom. Why are you getting so damn emo over this shit. Grow the fuck up. I bet you're a married man too with kids, and you're getting riled up and have real emotions over what some motherfucker types on an EQEMU server msg board. Get a grip. The whole DA/IB/Trans/Divinity/WI/Finafag drama is pure entertainment. Nothing more. Stop thinking it matters.

I actually respect Abacab more than anyone on this server at the present time. He gets it.

As far as guilds "doing things the right way or the wrong way" it doesn't really matter according to many people on the server. A kill is a kill if I'm not mistaken. That's what I've been told anyways. The fact of the matter is the actual classic content is a joke. Especially on this server where the EMU mechanics trivialize a lot of encounters. Apparently the "right way" is to wait for the mob to spawn and then "ready, set, go" to go get your kill or it's "poopsocking" or something.

That's why Divinity was zoning into Sol B the other day in 2's and 3's, having their clerics and shammies buff em up, and then logging out at the ledge. Apparently it's not considered poopsocking if you're actually logged out, buffed up, waiting for the batphone or something. I's all a charade and it's freaking absurd. It's pure comedy. The end game has become extremely boring in the last few months. Things need to be shaken up and made exciting again. I thought Sky might fix that, but I was wrong.

When I actually was in DA, which was a long time ago, I could cite many examples where DA beat IB fair and square. We out mobilized them. We were thinking ahead, planning, and executing accordingly. Now I understand people in IB have an image to uphold, so I don't begrudge any flames that come my way from them personally, but they know the truth. At least their officers do. Does it really matter? Not really.

As an example I was FD in hate. I watched IB pull mobs, a few get feared, and then train back about 8 mobs to their AFK camp, wiping them. I mobilized DA to get 15 up there when they weren't prepared within 5 minutes. We beat them fair and square and guess what. IB petitioned to a GM. Lied and said I trained them when I did nothing of the sort, and got the guild booted from the entire zone. I refused to roll for the spawn because I don't roll for shit that was rightfully mine. Period.

Another example was Vox. We got trained. IB got claim. No problemo. IB wiped on Vox even bindrushed her, and DA rolled in there and handled business. You people who QQ about poopsocking have no clue what it was really all about. You just follow orders and are a body pushing buttons for your raid leader. None of you who complain about poopsocking have any clue what actually went on during that time. Every time a mob spawned you had to be ready. You had to clear within a specific time. You had to execute under pressure. Most of this time this was from 2-5 in the morning. No other guilds except DA or IB were mustering and killing shit like that. None. Now you can hate on DA all you want, but when I was in that guild we had a tight crew that handled business under pressure. Most of those people are gone now. It remains to be seen if DA will adjust. I wish them nothing but the best, and I hope they have FUN playing this GAME.

Now I will admit that the camp situation deteriorated into a lazy camp where bodies become more important than skill in some respects, but that was after my time. When sky was released, IB had a lot of their old crew come back. DA had hardly any come back and they paid the price. Good for IB. That's the way these things play out. I don't have any ill will towards you, IB, DA, Divinity, Trans. not anybody, but all these guilds that rolled over to IB suddenly pretending that DA caused all the problems are either smoking crack, or delusional.

DA didn't write the raid rules either. Whoever wrote them stated 15 in zone = claim. No FB was at that meeting when the guilds all got together and tried to hammer out rules. The logical and intelligent thing to do was to have 15 in zone first, regardless if the mob was up or not. That's the way the rules were written. It burned a lot of people out. Even myself. I don't blame a single guild though for that happening. Equal blame can be lain at the feet of the entire server. No other guild tried to shake things up. IB was perfectly willing to get their socks out and take a dump in them too. What the real issue was and always has been is EGO. IB can't stand any other guild killing a mob on this server. If sky wasn't released right now, all you people gloating over your dragon kills would be getting your shit pushed in by IB. Be glad they released sky to keep them busy for awhile. The same thing with DA. FB people were really pissed off at lot of shit IB put them though. They were willing to do whatever it took to kill a mob. You have to remember, before DA, nobody killed jack shit on P99 except IB. Nobody.

You people seem to forget what IB is really like because they aren't pissing in your sandbox right now. They are ruthless and play to crush. A pure grief guild. And you know, good for them. If that's the way they want to roll. Fuck it, but don't act like they are angels with halos. Alawen laid it out not a few days ago, and he was holding a ton of shit back. Stop pretending IB is this family friendly guild that gives the P99 server a big hug. They are a ruthless guild that will fuck you out of a painbringer if it meant they got loot and you didn't. That's just the way they are. It is what it is.

G13, just play the game and stay off the forums, I know you get bored poopsocking, and you like to come here and make up lies to make yourself feel better. But, it just makes you look dumb. These people are right, it doesnt take skill to poopsock, so why try to act like DA is still hot shit?

I don't poopsock and I'll do whatever I damn well please and you can't do a fucking thing about it. The only statement I made is that I find it ironic, and a little amusing that an officer of GC would call out any other guild, considering GC sucked ballz whenever they tried to do anything on this server. Nothing more. They never accomplished anything on this server, and I seriously doubt they will accomplish anything in the future as GC. Your officers were creepy e-stalkers. Your forums were filled with childish ranting and laughable threads where shit went way over the line in terms of how you treated each other. It was an absolute disaster. I have no anger in that statement. I'm just stating cold, hard facts.

Now I understand that makes you really mad. I understand it makes you blame DA or something. I understand it makes you hate me. I think that's very entertaining. This is what RnF is all about. This place had died until I decided to make things interesting again, since in game it has become a snoozefest. The only sad thing is that me poking fun at IB's ego in a good natured sarcastic way hit a little too close to home with some people apparently. I'll leave it at that.

Now the rest of the server gets to know how fn "pro" you guys are! It's sad too cause all the apps leaving your guild for mine are fn kool guys who know their shit, but got fn fed up with people like you. So thank you for running away your honorable players, and have a fun poopsock.

I'm not in DA. You're barking up the wrong tree friendo. I don't really care about the whole DA VS IB AKA King Kong VS Godzilla thing anymore. That's boring and old news. Having said that, I hope you're having fun playing this game. Until next time friendo.

[Kutter]

Since Bronson stepped out for a post, guess I can too.

This poopsock business is killing high-end players. It's killing DA, (why do you think IB is gaining back old members and DA isn't?), it's causing entire guilds to go back to live (hello, WI), and it's causing huge divides in other raiding guilds.

You can argue that there were other reasons WI left, but ultimately, it's competition, and how you have to play it in the end game.

The balance won't last forever. there's not an endless supply of 50's to replace what's being lost at high end.

Even IB played square before they adopted socking. They couldn't refuse to do it like other guilds, because they're ultimately concerned about loot. Given a choice though, between "do you,or do you not sock", IB won't.

Screw the attacks on DA from now on, there won't be any more from me. All I'm asking is you guys is to play a different way. Risk losing the loot in favor of a server that feels there can be real competition.

I won't make this a last post without a final word. I'm not Divinity, but once was, a long time ago. I still have close friends in that guild. In terms of playing honestly, and fairly, there's not a guild on the server that can touch them. They've been forced to do things like log at the ledge, but at least they didn't come up and sit next to DA. They wanted to try to beat them if they weren't ready, and that was the only way to do it.

~

[Gwence]

Im a fucking idiot everyone. It's time to pay attention to me!

Yea I consolidated your essay for you, guy. You dont need 3000+ words to get that one singular point across to everyone.

Quit talking about IB, you're not even a professional anymore. When you try to call us out on something, it's like a little league baseball player attempting to call out a Major League baseball player. It makes no sense!

Keep that poopsock filled ok!

[...Raren]

Yea I consolidated your essay for you, guy. You dont need 3000+ words to get that one singular point across to everyone.

Quit talking about IB, you're not even a professional anymore. When you try to call us out on something, it's like a little league baseball player attempting to call out a Major League baseball player. It makes no sense!

Keep that poopsock filled ok!

Baseball sucks anyways

[Prospect]

So let me ask you this....what the HELL is a poopsock?

[Goobles]

Divinity was the first guild to ever camp a mob on this server

True story

Actually, Transcendence camped Naggy for 12 hours.. and IB tried to steamroll. Yeah... thats when rotations were forced.

[Starklen]

Bronson, you threw your lot in with the wrong crew and you got shitstomped. It's your own fault you decided to get lead around by a bunch of inept mouthbreathers like durison, nizzarr, and modus for the last few months.

You aren't always a shit peddler around here, and I'm not sure why sometimes you choose to be. As far as that night in hate went, I cited the fact that you trained mobs which have AOE effects on top of me while I was FD at the zone in. That is what you did, and that is what I said to the guide. I can't speak on behalf of what anyone else said.

However, given that I witnessed you intentionally trying to bring eyeballs up from 3 to train one of our bards in the first week of sky, the bullshit moves are clearly part of your modus operandi. I can sympathize, I'd probably have been pretty frustrated with the stupidity of my guild as well. I'll try not to fault you for it since that could have just as easily been any of us in your shoes.

[Harrison]

For someone "not in DA" he sure does suck some serious cock for them. It's actually even more pathetic that he "isn't in DA" and still doing so.

I'm glad I'm not that bad at this game.

[Nizzarr]

Dark ascension is a great guild with nice poeple, something I cannot say about IB(I've been in both guilds, still have access to some characters in both guilds).

I also want to point out that "poopsocking" is a direct consequence of IB's leadership decisions.

That is all, have a nice day.

[Theldios]

For someone "not in DA" he sure does suck some serious cock for them. It's actually even more pathetic that he "isn't in DA" and still doing so.

I'm glad I'm not that bad at this game.
But dude you are even worse thats why you suck my cock for loots.
Now don;t move i'll go get you a towel

[Starklen]

Dark ascension is a great guild with nice poeple, something I cannot say about IB(I've been in both guilds, still have access to some characters in both guilds).

I also want to point out that "poopsocking" is a direct consequence of IB's leadership decisions.

That is all, have a nice day.

Yep, you helped run that 'great' guild into the ground. Nice job, you should be proud.

[...Raren]

Dark ascension is a great guild with nice poeple, something I cannot say about IB(I've been in both guilds, still have access to some characters in both guilds).

I also want to point out that "poopsocking" is a direct consequence of IB's leadership decisions.

That is all, have a nice day.

Why did your mom hang up on Durison that one night he called ? Were you grounded

[Nizzarr]

Yep, you helped run that 'great' guild into the ground. Nice job, you should be proud.

Please point out how the guild is "into the ground". I'll gladly answer your questions.

[...Raren]

Please point out how the guild is "into the ground". I'll gladly answer your questions.

Zerg inviting everyone? If they suck they can atleast turn on Auto Attack right?

[Nizzarr]

Why did your mom hang up on Durison that one night he called ? Were you grounded

I live with my mother since my father's death. I also moved my computers to the basement, since its much cooler in the summer heat. Please make some mom basement jokes, I'll gladly laugh with you about it.

And she hung up because she doesnt speak english.


How's life raren? still getting high on xanax? duping some more on an emulated server?

[Nizzarr]

Zerg inviting everyone? If they suck they can atleast turn on Auto Attack right?

We have a tight application process, not everyone makes it.

We do not turn down applications either, everyone is free to app to our guild and get their shot.

If thats running a guild into the ground, let us know. We care about your opinion Raren.

[Starklen]

You and durison still licking the grey poupon off each others nutsacks while you camp dragons together?

[...Raren]

I live with my mother since my father's death. I also moved my computers to the basement, since its much cooler in the summer heat. Please make some mom basement jokes, I'll gladly laugh with you about it.

And she hung up because she doesnt speak english.


How's life raren? still getting high on xanax? duping some more on an emulated server?

Lol nah havnt been eating those xanax latly and nah i dont play EQ anymore i just like to talk shit to P99 crew still its entertaining

[Starklen]

We have a tight application process, not everyone makes it.

We do not turn down applications either, everyone is free to app to our guild and get their shot.

If thats running a guild into the ground, let us know. We care about your opinion Raren.

Translation: We invite everyone we see just like before.

[...Raren]

We have a tight application process, not everyone makes it.

We do not turn down applications either, everyone is free to app to our guild and get their shot.

If thats running a guild into the ground, let us know. We care about your opinion Raren.

I know you guys care about my opinion remember i was in IB why do you think all the people that left / booted from IB got to run DA? I guess Durison still has a hard on for those IB ppl that come to his guild oh wait nevermind he is now losing his members to IB and you got had to zerg invite WI members yah

[xorbier]

Since Bronson stepped out for a post, guess I can too.

This poopsock business is killing high-end players. It's killing DA, (why do you think IB is gaining back old members and DA isn't?), it's causing entire guilds to go back to live (hello, WI), and it's causing huge divides in other raiding guilds.

You can argue that there were other reasons WI left, but ultimately, it's competition, and how you have to play it in the end game.

The balance won't last forever. there's not an endless supply of 50's to replace what's being lost at high end.

Even IB played square before they adopted socking. They couldn't refuse to do it like other guilds, because they're ultimately concerned about loot. Given a choice though, between "do you,or do you not sock", IB won't.

Screw the attacks on DA from now on, there won't be any more from me. All I'm asking is you guys is to play a different way. Risk losing the loot in favor of a server that feels there can be real competition.

I won't make this a last post without a final word. I'm not Divinity, but once was, a long time ago. I still have close friends in that guild. In terms of playing honestly, and fairly, there's not a guild on the server that can touch them. They've been forced to do things like log at the ledge, but at least they didn't come up and sit next to DA. They wanted to try to beat them if they weren't ready, and that was the only way to do it.

~

Of course you won't say anything further. You got called out by Bronson and your guild has told you to be quiet. Where's the same criticism for IB? They poopsocked equally with the old rule set. As did your guild, but it wasn't committed as much as the rest.

Let me guess, you're going to say DA forced them too.

[...Raren]

Of course you won't say anything further. You got called out by Bronson and your guild has told you to be quiet. Where's the same criticism for IB? They poopsocked equally with the old rule set. As did your guild, but it wasn't committed as much as the rest.

Let me guess, you're going to say DA forced them too.

Actually DA did force them if you were in the guild when it happened of course and another thing i was in IB and they never made you camp shit until DA started it

[xorbier]

Translation: We invite everyone we see just like before.

Your guild does the same thing and has almost the exact same process. I'm not sure why you feel the need to pretend otherwise.

I know this cause I've been apping to your guild.

[...Raren]

Your guild does the same thing and has almost the exact same process. I'm not sure why you feel the need to pretend otherwise.

I know this cause I've been apping to your guild.

For someone that hates IB so much why would you want to join them? Beucase DA obvously cant?

[Starklen]

Hey, when is DA's next fire giant raid. I have a few alts I need to gear up.

[Starklen]

Actually, forget it. There aren't any thunder spirits in that zone.

[xorbier]

Hey, when is DA's next fire giant raid. I have a few alts I need to gear up.

Not any fire giants since Naggy a few days ago. But we did manage to get Innoruk, Nagafen, Vox, Draco, and another Draco this week. How's sky?

[...Raren]

Not any fire giants since Naggy a few days ago. But we did manage to get Innoruk, Nagafen, Vox, Draco, and another Draco this week. How's sky?

WHOA you did all that?

[Starklen]

Killed the spiroc lord 5 times.

[Nizzarr]

I know you guys care about my opinion remember i was in IB why do you think all the people that left / booted from IB got to run DA? I guess Durison still has a hard on for those IB ppl that come to his guild oh wait nevermind he is now losing his members to IB and you got had to zerg invite WI members yah

I do not think we have any other ex-IB member in DA. If you're talking about hasbinbad, he had a real tough time getting into the guild. But he's gone now, and you're gone(thank god).

We've lost an app(who was on his second try) and two members to IB.

We wish them the best of luck.

[...Raren]

I do not think we have any other ex-IB member in DA. If you're talking about hasbinbad, he had a real tough time getting into the guild. But he's gone now, and you're gone(thank god).

We've lost an app(who was on his second try) and two members to IB.

We wish them the best of luck.

That one app you lost you mean he quit himself and is applying to IB i know who it is its Drolgurd dont sit here and act like you guys were giving him a 2nd chance because he got fucked over the first time around anyways

[Nizzarr]

We kicked him on his first application, we gave him a second chance. He left with the other drama queens. We wish him the best.

[Starklen]

The other drama queens being the 7 members that applied?

[...Raren]

We kicked him on his first application, we gave him a second chance. He left with the other drama queens. We wish him the best.

You talking here like you know what happened you werent even playing at the time. When that happened when you were having problems sleeping at night because you ratted out your RL friends you piece of shit

[...Raren]

The other drama queens being the 7 members that applied?

He is just pisst because all the people applying are actually the good members that showed his worthless ass up

[Nizzarr]

I know what happened with drolgurd, thank you very much.

Its more like 70 members Starklen, because I like making up things.

Please list them here, ill gladly help you guys in your recruitment process.

[Deeps]

LOL, Nizarr is another one of the bullshit artists. Guys like this are why DA is will fail, as well as be hated. I am impressed that your propaganda has managed to keep some semblance of a guild through all the shambles.

[Starklen]

Wouldn't you like to know? How much would it bother you if it was still people wearing the tag?

[xorbier]

LOL, Nizarr is another one of the bullshit artists. Guys like this are why DA is will fail, as well as be hated. I am impressed that your propaganda has managed to keep some semblance of a guild through all the shambles.

It amazes me all this bashing of a guild that competing with you all. Why not just play and enjoy the game. It's getting old and not even fun anymore. We get it you hate competition.

[...Raren]

It amazes me all this bashing of a guild that competing with you all. Why not just play and enjoy the game. It's getting old and not even fun anymore. We get it you hate competition.

QQ

[Harrison]

Of course you won't say anything further. You got called out by Bronson and your guild has told you to be quiet. Where's the same criticism for IB? They poopsocked equally with the old rule set. As did your guild, but it wasn't committed as much as the rest.

Let me guess, you're going to say DA forced them too.

Yeah, actually you faggots did. If you no-talent losers never started to camp, because of your ridiculously obvious inability to "compete" otherwise, they wouldn't have needed to. They would just continuously and consistently dominate you to raid targets over and over, and Divinity would when they didn't.

Your only claim to fame is forcing a poop-off and causing probably 50+ people (generously underestimated this number) to quit the game and wait for Kunark. *slow clap*

[Kutter]

Your only claim to fame is forcing a poop-off and causing probably 50+ people (generously underestimated this number) to quit the game and wait for Kunark. *slow clap*

couldn't have said it better.

[Deeps]

Its so bad how terribly outclassed DA is now. The zerg mentality is ultimate fail. You would think they would have given up poopsocking by now due to the fact the whole server hates it. I would love to see how bad DA is at mobilizing. I'm getting a picture of a chinese fire drill in my head. Its pretty funny how they get noobs to poopsock mobs that they'll never get gear from. As a matter of fact, doesnt DA prefer selling their drops rather then gearing out their low level members lol. I just dont understand how dumbass some people can be to let Durison wave that carrot in front of them that they will never get.

The fact is Durison is a moron being led around by ex-FB bullshit artists who have no interest in anyone but themselves, and their own inflated and delusional egos.

[Deeps]

Can't argue with the truth, huh. Oh yes, the truth hurts.

[Harrison]

Can't argue with the truth, huh. Oh yes, the truth hurts.

Actually, they can.

They're so deep in their own fantasy worlds that when the truth is presented to them, they distort it before they're even done reading it.

He is far beyond gone, balls-deep in DA's browneye.

[G13]

You aren't always a shit peddler around here, and I'm not sure why sometimes you choose to be. As far as that night in hate went, I cited the fact that you trained mobs which have AOE effects on top of me while I was FD at the zone in. That is what you did, and that is what I said to the guide. I can't speak on behalf of what anyone else said.

That is not what I did. I don't train people. The person that trained you admitted to me they trained you on accident. It was someone within your own guild. I'll leave it at that.

However, given that I witnessed you intentionally trying to bring eyeballs up from 3 to train one of our bards in the first week of sky, the bullshit moves are clearly part of your modus operandi. I can sympathize, I'd probably have been pretty frustrated with the stupidity of my guild as well. I'll try not to fault you for it since that could have just as easily been any of us in your shoes.

That wasn't a BS move. You tagged a boss while you were engaged with another and were kiting it around up on island 4. It was a dick thing to do and that's why Rogean promptly changed rules the next day so you couldn't pull shit like that. I wasn't going to roll over and sit there like DA was and allow that to happen. Now being a member of IB, if that was done to you, I know damn well you wouldn't roll over and take it up the ass. I had to handle that shit and I did.

[Starklen]

That wasn't a BS move. You tagged a boss while you were engaged with another and were kiting it around up on island 4. It was a dick thing to do and that's why Rogean promptly changed rules the next day so you couldn't pull shit like that. I wasn't going to roll over and sit there like DA was and allow that to happen. Now being a member of IB, if that was done to you, I know damn well you wouldn't roll over and take it up the ass. I had to handle that shit and I did.

You trained us by your own admission as we followed the rules the way they were written. I'm not saying the rules were great, but you did what you did. I'm an FD class and you don't see me dropping off drakes on your raid every time I don't get my way. Just sayin.

[G13]

You trained us by your own admission as we followed the rules the way they were written. I'm not saying the rules were great, but you did what you did. I'm an FD class and you don't see me dropping off drakes on your raid every time I don't get my way. Just sayin.

First of all I didn't train a bunch of stuff and "drop it on your raid". C'mon bro, we can be cool. I need you to be honest here.

That wasn't a train. That was handling business. The fact of the matter is I had gorgalisk aggro on me clean. An SK in your guild proceeded to disease cloud it, FD when she got him, a bard tagged, and then keyed up to island 4. kiting it around. If some guild pulled a dick move like that on you and your officers or monks sat there and did nothing then I suggest you /guildremove yourself. They don't deserve your respect or your loyalty.

[Khad]

First time ever posting (Khadafi), but DA didnt start the poopsocking all those months ago ... at the time we were way under geared compared to IB, heavily farming planer trash as we all needed the class sets ...

It dawned on us that if we strategically trash farmed zones in which gods due, it would give a a much needed head start on content we were still fighting to learn due to IB's iron fist dominance.

After our first or second god kill in this fashion, that IB (nearly fully planer geared) felt they could compete in their own way by getting 15 core into the zone with no other intent then to afk wait on the god to gain claim and first attempt. And thus afk poopsocking wars begun.

[Kutter]

It dawned on us that if we strategically trash farmed zones in which gods due...

kinda like calling killing innocent civilians collateral damage.

[Otto]

First time ever posting (Khadafi), but DA didnt start the poopsocking all those months ago ... at the time we were way under geared compared to IB, heavily farming planer trash as we all needed the class sets ...

It dawned on us that if we strategically trash farmed zones in which gods due, it would give a a much needed head start on content we were still fighting to learn due to IB's iron fist dominance.

After our first or second god kill in this fashion, that IB (nearly fully planer geared) felt they could compete in their own way by getting 15 core into the zone with no other intent then to afk wait on the god to gain claim and first attempt. And thus afk poopsocking wars begun.

Hahahahahaha, right. Keep telling yourself that. Your guild's core sure has done a great job of manipulating and using you all.

[Khad]

nah, unlike some, we happily give god loot to anyone who put the effort in, regardless of class... i know multiple people IB had churned out before DA came into the scene, if you wanna talk manipulation, ill be happy to share their thoughts before they quit. Im really not into this whole rants and flames, but everyone has their high horse that blinds them. Cheers

[Otto]

nah, unlike some, we happily give god loot to anyone who put the effort in, regardless of class... i know multiple people IB had churned out before DA came into the scene, if you wanna talk manipulation, ill be happy to share their thoughts before they quit. Im really not into this whole rants and flames, but everyone has their high horse that blinds them. Cheers

By all means, enlighten me!

[Starklen]

First of all I didn't train a bunch of stuff and "drop it on your raid". C'mon bro, we can be cool. I need you to be honest here.

That wasn't a train. That was handling business. The fact of the matter is I had gorgalisk aggro on me clean. An SK in your guild proceeded to disease cloud it, FD when she got him, a bard tagged, and then keyed up to island 4. kiting it around. If some guild pulled a dick move like that on you and your officers or monks sat there and did nothing then I suggest you /guildremove yourself. They don't deserve your respect or your loyalty.

You don't need to justify why you trained our guild, I already heard your reasoning. I'm sure all the other cheaters and trainers justified it that way too. It's cool, I get it.

[Gwence]

First of all I didn't train a bunch of stuff and "drop it on your raid". C'mon bro, we can be cool. I need you to be honest here.

That wasn't a train. That was handling business. The fact of the matter is I had gorgalisk aggro on me clean. An SK in your guild proceeded to disease cloud it, FD when she got him, a bard tagged, and then keyed up to island 4. kiting it around. If some guild pulled a dick move like that on you and your officers or monks sat there and did nothing then I suggest you /guildremove yourself. They don't deserve your respect or your loyalty.

Yea I remember you tried to train me with an eyeball and a harpy and died like a newb before you even got close to me heh.

Pretty sad.

[G13]

You don't need to justify why you trained our guild, I already heard your reasoning. I'm sure all the other cheaters and trainers justified it that way too. It's cool, I get it.

I stated fact. Deal with it.

Take off your IB blinders for a second and put down the kool-aid. It's ok to be real once in a while bro.

[Redriot]

First of all I didn't train a bunch of stuff and "drop it on your raid". C'mon bro, we can be cool. I need you to be honest here.

That wasn't a train. That was handling business. The fact of the matter is I had gorgalisk aggro on me clean. An SK in your guild proceeded to disease cloud it, FD when she got him, a bard tagged, and then keyed up to island 4. kiting it around. If some guild pulled a dick move like that on you and your officers or monks sat there and did nothing then I suggest you /guildremove yourself. They don't deserve your respect or your loyalty.

You should try be honest. I remember that incident 100%, I aggro'd gorgolosk at her spawn and brought it to our bard at the pad. Just because I pulled it by your raid doesn't mean you guys some how can mysteriously claim you aggro'd it first.

Just figured i'd point that out.

[G13]

Yea I remember you tried to train me with an eyeball and a harpy and died like a newb before you even got close to me heh.

Pretty sad.

I didn't try to train you, or train you. That would have been against the rules. I didn't feign for a reason.

I kited some mobs up on island 4 and eventually died. I apologize that they aggroed you after I died and you got rolled. I didn't mean for that happen. I swear. ~

[Gwence]

First time ever posting (Khadafi), but DA didnt start the poopsocking all those months ago ... at the time we were way under geared compared to IB, heavily farming planer trash as we all needed the class sets ...

It dawned on us that if we strategically trash farmed zones in which gods due, it would give a a much needed head start on content we were still fighting to learn due to IB's iron fist dominance.

After our first or second god kill in this fashion, that IB (nearly fully planer geared) felt they could compete in their own way by getting 15 core into the zone with no other intent then to afk wait on the god to gain claim and first attempt. And thus afk poopsocking wars begun.

All that trash farming for planar gear that DA does you'd think we would see more DA people with actual planar gear lol. Last time I saw the pathetic DA zerg I saw 3 people with green silken drapes lol.

[Gwence]

I didn't try to train you, or train you. That would have been against the rules. I didn't feign for a reason.

I kited some mobs up on island 4 and eventually died. I apologize that they aggroed you after I died and you got rolled. I didn't mean for that happen. I swear. ~

You just kited trash mobs from 3 onto 4 for fun? Doesnt sound legit to me.

It's ok though they didnt agro me, and I didnt die, but I didnt laugh out loud when you died, you obviously need some practice when it comes to training others, and might want to avoid it when you're dealing with a bard.

[Gwence]

I did laugh out loud rather**

[G13]

You just kited trash mobs from 3 onto 4 for fun? Doesnt sound legit to me.

It's ok though they didnt agro me, and I didnt die, but I didnt laugh out loud when you died, you obviously need some practice when it comes to training others, and might want to avoid it when you're dealing with a bard.

Your version of history is breathtaking in it's Orwellian spin bro

I didn't really want to get into this with you since it's pointless and not really that important, but if you're going to lie about shit, well then I need to set the record straight. We can still be friends after this friendo.

1. I had clean Gorgalisk aggro. She was pathing to my raid force. An IB SK peeled her off of me with disease cloud. She pathed to SK who FD. You aggroed, keyed to island 4, and proceeded to kite the mob. Rogean himself even admitted this was a douchebag thing to do, and promptly changed the raid rules the very next day threatening complete guild disbandment if any assclown attempted such dickery in the future.

2. Seeing that DA was going to take it up the ass and do nothing about an obvious douchebag manuever, I decided I would handle business. I felt like kiting mobs up on island 4 too. You were having such a great time running around up there all by yourself and it looked like fun. I could tell that you were lonely and badly in need of a friend.

3. Unfortunately I only had jboots, so my kiting skills are not as good as a bard's. Also the Eye was stunning and nuking me, unlike the broken raid mob you were kiting, that didn't even summon like it should have been. It was a pure melee mob and didn't offer much of a challenge to such a skilled kiter as yourself.

4. I didn't want to FD and train you. That would have been wrong. I was trying to be your friend and just wanted to keep you company and cheer you up. I have noticed your so glum on the forums all the time and you get mad. That makes me a sad panda.

5. Unfortunately I couldn't live through the eye's constant nuking and stunning and it killed me. As a result, he and heart harpie noticed that their bro Gorgalosk was chasing some female woodelf bard to no avail. Poor Gorg couldn't catch up that pesky bard. So the eye decided to assist Gorg and stun the bard, making it fair for Gorg to allow her to crunch some Woodelf bard. What a pal.

6. Thankfully a friendo came and resed me up. Unfortunately I noticed your freshly geared corpse on island 4 as I jumped back down to island 3. I even targeted "Gwence's corpse" as I hopped over it. I would have apologized then, but a member of IB was really mad at me and he told me to "kill myself in RL". I guess he really wanted that Gorg. Oh well. It made me sad for just a second. Then I realized it's just a game and my mood brightened again considerably.

Can we be friends now?

[Otto]

God damn people really try hard to pull out bullshit stories out of their ass just to try and clown IB.

How has this not stopped in the 10months we have been around? We really make you all that butt hurt?

[PhelanKA]

God damn people really try hard to pull out bullshit stories out of their ass just to try and clown IB.

How has this not stopped in the 10months we have been around? We really make you all that butt hurt?

Perhaps Brother Curtis can put things into perspective for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YD3zN-Uk_s

[Otto]

Perhaps Brother Curtis can put things into perspective for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YD3zN-Uk_s

I like you.

[Tseng]

I love how threads like these get to 25 pages in fucking no time at all. Jesus H. Christ.

[Noleafclover]

First Bronson, IDK ya, but if the GMs really don't consider this admission of training warnable/suspendable, that's pretty sad.

Lol I wasn't training I just ran a caster that stuns in circles as a monk w/ mobs that hit for 300+ and then died and you happened to get trained. Never saw it comin!

I know, it's a game and all that, IB deserved it, etc. Not too interested in ancient history not involving me, just weird shit don't get done 'bout trains.




To why I posted - legit question, I guess I'm just too newb to know it -

unlike the broken raid mob you were kiting, that didn't even summon like it should have been.

They summon before 95% hp? Or are supposed to?